Realistic Character Art Thread

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I really like the character designs from The Banner Saga.

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>>52215675
Yeah that,s better than the usual murderhobo designs

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It hard to find realistic dragonborn using their breath weapon

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There's something to be said for simplicity

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>>52215582
How realistic? Some of this looks full historical, but things like
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>>52216107
Aren't too far off from, say, the LotR movies. Realistic, but a bit flashier than most stuff you saw IRL historically.

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>>52216107

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>>52216800
The Lord of the Rings movies are actually the perfect balance for me. Tasteful enough to look like real armor, but elaborate enough to show it takes place in a fantasy setting. There's subtlety, something other designs sorely lack

The historical ones are interesting to show what your standard town guard, footsoldier, or mercenary will look like. Not everyone can afford full plate and a flaming greatsword.

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>>52217072

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>>52215582
Fuck your shield, I have the WMD of the Bronze Age: a boulder

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Yes, it's motherfucking Mel Gibson.

>>52215675
after I read a shit ton of Germanic Sagas, that game really became something special for me.

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>>52216800
Flashier than real life, are you fucking kidding me?

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My current character atm

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>>52218275
Got any recommended editions and texts?

>>52217072
FemParsifal?

>>52218317
>What is renaissance Italy
They're armors are fancy
(Because unlike Germany a master could have as many armorer apprentices as he wanted leading to these sets)

I fight in armor irl, and in a few months a were getting our images made into tabletop figurines, pretty hype to be able to use myself as a character

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>>52218332
Grettir's saga and Njal's saga are probably my two favorites. As it goes with all them, it first tells the story of the titular characters' bloodline, and in each case its full of people pulling anime stunts and moments of either weakness that bites their decedents in the ass, or courage that becomes a boon later on. Grettir and Njal are both very interesting characters, more complex than you'd realize if you read between the lines somewhat.

I'm a pleb, so I just read the penguin classics translations.

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>>52218467
>>52218474

Balls, forgot these have the obnoxious watermarks. Oh well, moving on.

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I CAST PALM

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>>52218453
Hey, nothing wrong with Penguin classics for this kind of thing. I own 80+ Penguin texts from their Greek and Roman line and use them as primary reference texts all the time.

>>52218538
I so wish that was a halberd not a spear because it would be perfect.

>>52218736

There's a good bard in this one, which doesn't come out too well in the thumbnail

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Got any girls?

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>>52218676
What do you do that you need to reference those all the time?

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>>52218798

There's a grill under all that armour, I swear.

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>>52218859
Mostly academic nonsense and correcting people on the internet.

It's a living.

Mostly, they're just nice to own. I'm slowly accumulating them (used) in one particular edition. The original cream colour has faded all sorts of different shades, and the black spines are either beat up or immaculate.

>>52218323
Whoa, are spurs actually that old? I've only seen them on cowboys before

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>>52216800
Well GoT has armor you'd probably like, then.

>>52219247
>boobplate

>>52219285
The other armors you posted were fine, but goddamn have I always hated the kingsguard armor. Its fucking atrocious

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>>52219285
>>52219295
>scale, plate, or leather armor?
>why not all three??

>>52215675
Wow, I had no idea Keanu Reeves was in that game.

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Question for you all:

When did this style of chest plate come into being in anime? I swear it's only a fairly recent thing.
I don't think it has any historical basis in eastern or western armour, doesn't even match up with that short-lived < shaped breastplate for the early-mid 1400s but that's about the closest I've got. The best guess I've got given it is usually depicted as strapped on over something else is the origin is some modern sports fencing equipment.

Tends to be seen in the more supposedly 'realistic' style of stuff (or at least where the character is supposed to be visibly armoured in a way that actually covers the chest), though can get very exaggerated in how much it protrudes out front of the wearer. Or just how little it covers.

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>>52219333
Wait leather armor was actually a thing

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>>52219453
http://middenmurk.blogspot.ca/2015/09/body-armour.html

Yes.

Everyone, please read this blog post. You'll learn a ton, and it will clear up a lot of misconceptions about the use of armor.

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>>52219453
At certain times, in certain places, in certain forms. Just not the forms usually depicted or if depicted in accurate manner, usually out-of-timeframe or relevant locality.

Image related.

>>52218323
hot damn that is triggering
consider your post a success fucker

>>52218323
Do you have a version without the tusks added on?

>>52219197
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>>52219247
>>52219311

"No"

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The non-Witcher stuff in Witcher 3 is pretty good.

>>52220063
OP said LOTR style armor was perfect. It doesn't have to be actual armor with historical precedent, anon just didn't want over the top, unwieldy, 40k stuff. I think the GoT armor qualifies.

>>52219271
>boobs

>>52220370

- GoT takes place in a setting very similar to 14th century Britain
- We know exactly what kind of clothing and armor people wore in 14th century Britain
- Said attire was colorful, attractive, and provided excellent protection
...
- Dress everyone exclusively in black and brown with lots of leather, small plates, and tons of pointless rivets

>>52220090
>exposed groin, hips and thighs

Why

>>52220459

The people of SoIaF Land might have a horrible fashion sense, but that doesn't mean that what they wear isn't implausible in any way shape or form.

>>52220477

Presumably, that's cavalry armour where the legs weren't completely covered because when sitting the barding covers everything else.

>>52220477
That's officers/royal guards armor. So it's not meant to be 100% practical. It's also for guys who are usually gonna be riding horses in actual combat.

>>52219070
Yes, they are.

>>52220459
>attractive
Leave

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>>52219931
Thank you.
>>52220026
I do

>>52220560
>>52220518
>Two-handed sword
>Cavalry

>>52220831
It's pretty much just parade gear. These guys spend 90% of the game standing around with pole arms in front of buildings or around nobles.

>>52218699
>2-Charles Bronson

>>52219070
>Whoa, are spurs actually that old? I've only seen them on cowboys before

Yeah because all the people who rode horse thousands of years before cowboys wouldn't have needed spurs. Or pointy shoes/boots to more easily fit in stirrups.

Asshole.

>>52221998
I mean, stirrups only arrived in Europe during the Middle Ages and were invented a couple hundred years into the ADs. So there's that.

>>52220477
You do realize those were usually the last areas armored throughout the entirety of history? From the Greeks to Cuirassiers. Order of importance for armor goes; head > torso > forearms/arms > shins and feet > thighs.

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>>52220518
I suspect the idea, if there was one, is the opposite. That sword isn't a cavalry weapon, and while the crotch and inside of your thighs wouldn't need armour in the saddle, the front/outside of your hips and thighs would.

So instead we're looking at a suit of infantry half armour with extra knee protection. Not the most implausible thing, though if I were to guess the thighs are left unarmoured more because they wanted to show off the pants more than anything else.

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>>52220477
They're called "half armors" as they usually protected the chest, head and sometimes shoulders and arms.
These are the types of armors that were mass produced in the 16 and 17th centuries for infantry.

Cavalry often wore "three-quarter armors" which also protected the thighs but not the entire legs.

These armors were designated to be "munitions armors" because they were mass produced and cheaper and lighter than full armors.

>>52218218
That's a pretty big rock.

>>52218244
Mel Gibson isn't really rooted in reality though.

>>52219164
fuck you for making me remember the horrible design of lanister soldiers

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>>52219271
Asha can wear what she likes.

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Dark Souls armour has a tendency of being hamfisted where it doesn't belong, but I think a few are appropriate for this thread.

>>52223776
Axe is fucking huge but the armour is fine.

>>52221998
It was just a question, chill out. And just because people needed something doesn't mean they had it.

looking for 4th-3rd century BC European warriors specifically celts, preferably britons

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>>52223295
I know this is a thread for muh historical accuracy autism, but goddamn I love classic Wagner vikings.

>>52215582
I'm realistic

>>52218886
Who's this strapping fellow supposed to be?

>>52217302
Nice artwork

>>52220927
Hrm. Would sort of armour would these guys have sorta in-between what's shown here? Like, early 12th century sorta times.

>>52224857
Long sleeved mail with coif, similar conical or domed nasal helm, teardrop or flat-top kite shield depending on the decade.

Do note that the image is filled with inaccuracies and not a great source for what sort of kit the Varangian Guard used once you scratch the surface.

>>52218317
Is the thought behind this armour to make the foe unable to attack due to an unwillingness to ruin a great work of art?

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Not art but I still like it.
I have no idea who the chap in the picture is.

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A celt.

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A bard.

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Swiggity-Swaggy

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Come at me laddy!

>>52225227
that is obviously a two handed axe being held in one hand.

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Renaissance
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>>52224748

A 4th-5th century Roman comitatenses legionary.

See also: pic related

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Javelins are cool.

I really gotta start getting more descriptive with muh NPCs when I DM.
Especially the warriors. I'm not a realism-wanker, but I'd like for my players to embrace a more medieval aesthetic for clothes and armour than you see in tv / gaems these days.

The olden days weren't about subdued colors.
"Subtle" is a modern concept in fashion.
I want my knights resplendent in bright yellow and blue.
I want my nobles in puffy sleeves and gold embroidered everything.

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>>52218611
>The extra palm on his helmet crest
11/10

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This thread got me thinking, there is so much influence of the 1100-1400 medieval period in fantast, but there's not much early medieval aesthetic, or even older stuff, other than the token Romans and token Vikings.

Where's the 8th century frankish aesthetic in fantasy? Or ancient Celtic? Or eastern imperial during the time of Rome?

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>>52228703
It's not even so much 1100 to 1400, a lot of it is more 1400 to 1550s.

>>52218317

"most"

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This can be considerd realistic? or the guy is to huge?

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>>52231268
His head is too small for his body rather than he's too huge, but his armour is a complete mess.

>>52215582
go away Varg

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I kind of dislike how those threads are always flooded with Ospreys

I mean, thy are ok and shit, but as a reference. They are informative but rather bland and not very expressive. They focus too much of stuff, too little on actual character, and people on them are bit like mannequins.

>>52219377
Why wasn't Voice Acting a stretch goal for Banner Saga 3?

>>52231484
They are not even that good as references. There is so much twisting evidence, wild speculation presented as fact and outright lies.

But hey, the plates are pretty and look legit if you don't actually know all that much about the topic (and if you do, then what are you reading Ospreys for?). At best they are a gateway drug to military history which is fine, but it's depressing how much misinformation they spread. Especially when you can track errors in wargaming figures or reproduction armour back to the relevant Osprey drawing which was obviously the inspiration instead of the designer doing actual research.

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>>52225061
Nope. It's entirely a prestige thing. Armour like that was usually a gift or a commission. It's like owning a one-of-a-kind custom built antique car. You might take it out for a drive once and a while, but you're not going to take it rallying.

Most of the time, the fancier the armour, the less likely it is that the person who owned it ever swung a sword in a proper battle.

>>52231785
Examples? Not that I don't believe you, just that I'm not that knowledgeable and want to know what's what.

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>>52223862
the lambton worm is one of my favorite stories

>>52224705
is that supposed to be sweyn forkbeard? looks kinda like valdemar atterdag in that pic, pic related

>>52228703
>This thread got me thinking, there is so much influence of the 1100-1400 medieval period in fantast, but there's not much early medieval aesthetic, or even older stuff, other than the token Romans and token Vikings.
>Where's the 8th century frankish aesthetic in fantasy? Or ancient Celtic? Or eastern imperial during the time of Rome?

I call it "mail fatigue"

Particularly for people used to time periods where various different types of armor are in use, or settings where wide ranges of armors are put together in an anachronistic mishmash, the European medieval period up to about 1100 just looks like variations on the theme of "guys with mail and caps/spangenhelms." It's pre-surcoat and pre-heraldry, too, so there's even less to work with in an obvious decorative sense.

I doubt very many people can tell the difference between the "8th century frankish aesthetic" and any other pre-1100 (or even pre-1200) European military fashion.

>>52220459
Please kill yourself

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>>52225227
I- I already... did.

>>52232196
>is that supposed to be sweyn forkbeard?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorik_of_Dorestad

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>>52232407
>sage
Is that still on?

>>52232056
That's fair, busting claims without the evidence to support them is what this all about.

However the hour is late in bongland and the image cap is slowly being filled. To give Osprey a proper grilling I'll make an A&A thread in the next few days , along with examples of how the drawings have influenced minifigs and repro armour.

If there any specific topics or drawings people would like tackled I'll do my best cover them where I have the expertise.

>>52232272
>mail fatigue

This is why I'm perfectly okay with the various armour designs in the LotR movies when canonically they should all be in hauberks.

>>52232644
Bring examples and details on how to find accurate info or researching

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>>52232812
Heresy. The aesthetic changes to the mail hauberk as the hem moves from the bottom of the knee to approximately two inches above the knee during the 1160-80s are of immense significance. Anyone who cannot appreciate the subtle yet sublime variations during the age of mail is a phillistine with no taste when it comes to arms and armour.

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>>52229134
Most of the guys in LOTR with flashy armor are royalty. Their armor pales to IRL royalty. The average rider of Rohan is just wearing scale or mail with maybe some decorative clothing/leather.
The Royal Guard of Gondor have plate with some fancy helmet wings, and are not nearly as gaudy as a Varangian >>52215710

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>>52233737
>>52228221

>>52233147
Thicc

>>52232196
>the lambton worm is one of my favorite stories

Me too. I love how the "punishment" for the failed sacrifice isn't some super-onerous thing but a "fair enough" trade in its own right. It really changed how I play the fae/hermit in my games.

>>52228703
pajamas are gay

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>>52235491
wrong one.

>>52232341

NO U

>>52231785
>then what are you reading Ospreys for?

Fucking Osprey. Bane of historical wargaming for decades.

In their book on American Civil War river steamers, there's an illustration of a fairly famous "timberclad" ram. She was famous because her civilian pilot had mounted a pair of moose antlers above her bridge windows.

The Osprey ILL-ustrator didn't know that and couldn't figure out what the object was from the B&W photo they were using. So they drew in a RDF loop instead.

That's a RADIO DIRECTION FINDER loop on an 1860s warship.

So, yeah, tell me all about what you learned from that Osprey book, Skippy.

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>>52215582

>>52231382
>but his armour is a complete mess.
I kinda thought that was supposed to be the point. Technically FH is a post-apocalyptic setting, so it makes sense that most of their gear should be patched together from all sorts of different things.

I think even the battering ram you see in the Warden's first mission has its ram-part hammered together out of loads of helmets (you can still see the visor slits).

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>>52238358
It's still a fucking mess.

Why is realistic armor so underused in favor of generic spiky unpractical armor?

>>52222826
he's basicly old man enderson now.

>>52238358
>so it makes sense that most of their gear should be patched together from all sorts of different things.

The armour is stylistically coherent and appears to have been made by a craftsmen with entirely sufficient access to materials and the skills to shape said materials, even if they didn't know armour all that well. Like the samurai guy who's wearing an o-sode as his breastplate.

Nothing really patched together about it.

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>>52238358
do you have a pic of the battering ram or a link to a video?

>>52242995
https://youtu.be/2Ot7nqRrZSc?t=3m53s

>>52243084
That's a pain, it was supposed to direct you to 3:53 in, where you can see the ram quite clearly.

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>>52243084
>>52243116
that's pretty cool, I wouldn't have though of that as a developer.

can't really tell if the actual ram head is made from helmets, considering how the work to make it into a ram head shape would have removed the appearance of the helmets

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>>52242561
When it comes to drawings: Crazy spiky armour is an easier choice for an aesthetic. Same with huge pauldrons or boob plate or random metal plates stuck to everything. Requires no prior knowledge, will work for most people viewing it and doesn't require an artist to know anything more than how to fit shapes around a human form when drawing, and importantly it can be stylised to fit the character of the wearer without needing anything deeper in terms of knowledge about armour.

Realistic armour requires research into what armour actually looks like, it's variations, what works together and how to apply that in a way that fits the characters depicted. And of course the desire to create such a thing in the first place to fit the aesthetic the creator is going for.

>>52216800
In the original trilogy they had an actual armorer. Made things out of steel, albeit thin to speed things up. However with the new trilogy the had the swordsmith be in charge of Armour aswell, not his forte and he knows as such. most things are plastics. (his swords are fucking beautiful though)

>>52222817
For ye.

>>52245866
I always wondered two things.

1: where the aesthetic choices for the Gondorians and Dwarves came from, since they don't follow as clear cultural counterparts as, say, Rohan or The Shire.

2: How they came up to the weird but unique pommel on Narsil/Anduril.

>>52235403
>thief, fighter, mage

>>52249387
Drugs