>PLOT TWIST: The elves/dwarves are just genetically refined humans.

>Plot twiist twist: They don't care and try to kill you for being human anyways.

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>>52214591
>genetically refined
!
...
????

>>52214591
>Dwarves
>Refined

>>52214591
Probably most overused tweest in TTRPG fantasy.

I've seen so many GMs pull this one.

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>>52214770

I dunno, I wouldn't mind seeing it done in actual Blade Runner style where Elves are magically-engineered but only have a shelf-life of like four years.

Though I guess by that point they're not really Elves anymore

>>52214591
I prefer the other way around.

>>52214922
That's actually a good idea. I'm stealing it.

>>52214922
Well, yeah. A replicant by another game is still a replicant.

I've seen elves with short lives natural lives, who can consume magic to lengthen them indefinitely. I feel like that's general a good way of incorporating both Blade Runner's themes and the 'feel' of elves.

>>52215394
>>52215360


Would these Blade Runner Elves also be like the replicants in their creators intended them as disposable slave labor, prostitutes, and soldiers?

>>52214770

Not even something new. Shannara did it first, or at least it was already there as an idea.

>>52214756

>stocky
>industrious
>redoutable
>don't apparently need fresh vegetables to live well
>technically minded
>intelligent and tight-knit
>balanced reproduction strategy
>adapted to living underground

Dorfs are the ultimate race when the world ends in a nuclear holocaust.

>but amusingly enough so would be deep-ocean races, like sahuagins

>>52214922
This but with catgirls

>>52214591
Welcome to Earthdawn/Shadowrun and if the twist is Halfings are the progenitor race, welcome to Dark Sun.

There is a web comic where elves always look young because they die when they are 25ish,

>>52215498
OK, yes, I am onboard with this.

Humans are elf/dwarf hybrids

>>52214591
Halflings, elves, dwarves and gnomes are actually distinct stages of a single species: halflings are children, elves are adolescents, dwarves are grown-ups, gnomes are elders.

They also molt like insects: at the end of a stage, the individual enter a cocoon phase, and emerges as the following stage, having lost most memories from its previous stage.

>>52214591
Basically did that in another campaign. The races had been created by the stereotypical 'old ones' that had died out. They were originally bio weapon they used against each other, humans were the base model. The rest of the races were more specialized follow on designs.

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>The beast-folk are just genetically refined humans living in a post-apocalyptic setting

>>52214591
Not any different from just being pointy-eared-long-lived humans and short-grumpy-alcoholic-humans. They all think and act like humans, can reproduce with humans so why not just make them humans.

>>52214922
>>52215498

Transhuman Space player detected. The Felicia series bioroid is exactly this. Pulverized is a famous weeb with a penchant for sexy cat girls. In this case, short lived enslaved combat oriented sexy cat girls.

>>52214591

It's established though little known lore in my games.

Basically the ancient long-fallen magical empire advanced magic so far that they reached a transhuman level. People bought enhancements to their bloodlines (genetics), whatever they could afford. Immortal beautiful graceful descendents with magic talent are a no brainier, right? If you can afford the expensive rituals. If not, dwarves are a sweet deal: long lived, very tough, magic resistant, adapted to bunker life.

That's for the hoi polloi. The slaves got a rawer deal, their kids turned into what their masters needed, condemned to an eternity of genetic servitude.

Just before the collapse, the most powerful and daring wizards gave themselves and their bloodlines even greater powers, hence the powerful magical niche races. Post collapse, they weren't very numerous and now millennia later they are hopelessly inbred.

In the turmoil of the collapse, many desperate wizard-warlords created servitor creatures to fight for them. A few cursed whole bloodlines to use against their rivals. Hence the more numerous monster races.

Millennia later, this is all almost entirely forgotten.

>>52214591
Sounds like Terry Brooks Elfstones saga. MTV did a TV show on it.

>>52215472
Why else would you make them?

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>>52214591
PLOT TWIST: The humans are just half-elf-half-dwarfs.

>>52222799
Firstly, fuck you for mentioning that piece of shit series, books and TV.
Secondly, elves existed aside from humans but dwarves and trolls and all that were human mutants.
Thirdly, fuck me for knowing that.

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>>52214591
>PLOT TWIST: The humans are just genetically refined Trolls

>PLOT TWIST: Humans are just defects without the strengths of any of the other races.

>>52214591
I see you, Terry Brooks. No, I am not gonna buy the next Shannara book.

Because they sucked and kept sucking harder after Voyage of the Jerle Shannara.