Stat Thread

+5 bad thread
+10 con artist
-10 competence

>>52206488

You must be new here.

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>>52206447

>>52206573

Cool.

/thread.

Trump feels more like a THAT GUY PC than anything.

Putin would be the BBEG, but nobody is fucking taking proper notice of his plothooks.

>Invades Crimea
>Just get's sanctions and sternly worded letters
>Essentially states to the BBC he would murder his own Grandmother to achieve glory for the nation.
>Does little more than raise the eyebrow of the foreign correspondent talking to him.
>MIGHT have interfered with the American elections.
>Nobody cares

It'd be like if the BBEG threatened the land but nobody cared, so he just spends the next 20 years waiting for anybody to actually attack his lair.

Meanwhile British Politics appears to be one of those comedic RPG games, where everybody is hilariously incompetent.
Camerons player rerolled as Theresa May and just started min-maxing and abusing the browbeating and intimidation skills left right and center. Bojo's player is still somehow knocking about being the true comedy character of the party, and the guy who was playing Gove had to leave because his mum arrived earlier than expected.

>>52206637

This kinda.

Still, Trump's player is a lot better than the dude who rolled Barack. Thank god the party finally ran his ass out after he generated such a terrible lawful evil character.

>>52206637

EU is the FLGS that has the insufferable attendants that make gaming there shit; however there's no other place really to go until Britain, the wealthy local DM, started threatening to invite people over to his house and ordering stuff off the net for people because of the bullshit markups and rules.

Decades of globalization create a massive global underclass which elites rule over with an iron fist. The future is a hellish landscape of red tape and corporate debauchery. The planet is rapidly heading into a global ecological disaster, sea levels are rising (despite fossil fuels being banned in western countries) and drought is consuming arable farmland. Infrastructure is starting to break down, most major cities no longer have regular trash collection, highways are filled with potholes and trains don't run. The blue helmets find themselves increasingly isolated into their joint bases and suburbs, which now resemble castles more than anything else.

The game begins outside of Cincinnati, where a failed painter decides to take matters into his own hands. After 3d printing a gun he and his comrades decide they are going to resurrect the state of Ohio (which is now folded into a greater Great Lakes Metropolitan District).

>>52207093
Events include:

1. Liberating Kelleys Hill recycling facility, which overseas the vast dust bowl/landfill that used to be Lake Erie.
2. Siege of Global Robotics Inc's Akron Assembly, giving the rebels control over many automated security bots, trucks and a tank production plant
3. Liberating the Elkton Detainment Center, the UN prison for the region
4. Liberating the abandoned subway tunnels underneath Cincinnati, presently being used as greenhouses
5. Siege of Columbus Government Center (where the statehouse used to be, presently a giant brutalist concrete mess used by the UN)
6. Liberating the abandoned subway tunnels underneath Cincinnati, presently being used as greenhouses
7. Siege of the Cincinnati Government Center (where Union Station used to be, presently a giant blue glass cube)
8. Siege of the Freedom Bank Tower in Cleveland
9. Stealing the biological weapons buried underneath Wright UNAFB outside Dayton
10. Liberating and reprogramming the Northeastern Telecommunications Exchange, which causes all the remaining automated UN security in the region to be friendly while disabling UN-operated weapons within Ohio. The facility itself is a giant concrete block located outside of Portsmouth.

>>52206637
>putin
>BBEG

Confirmed for pleb; not even aware of the jewish problem.

>>52207207
I remember being fifteen.

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>Intelligence •
>Wits •••
>Resolve•••

>Strength••
>Dexterity•
>Stamina••••

>Presence•••••
>Manipulation••••••••••
>Composure•

>Cleric or Paladin of Kek

>>52206447
CG Old Male Human Expert 6
Str 12, Dex 8, Con 16, Int 20, Wis 20, Cha 20
Iron Will, Negotiator, Skill Focus (Profession: Businessman), Leadership
Appraise 14, Bluff 14, Diplomacy 22, Gather Information 16, Intimidate 16, Knowledge (Architecture & Engineering) 14, Knowledge (Local) 14, Knowledge (Nobility & Royalty) 14, Profession (Businessman) 17, Sense Motive 16, several other skills at 1-3 ranks give or take

>>52206488
Unironically this

>>52206447
Is trump a demon prince of tzeentch?

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>>52206637
If we're going like that, then French Politics is a bunch of players who have gotten sick of the game a long time ago and are now actively sabotaging it, but the DM keeps the game going out of spite.

>>52207364
>ND Chess
>Worshipped by wannabe wizards and paranoid warlocks obsessed by conspiracies and plots
>Unironically presents himself as a harbringer of change
>Promises to drain the "swamp" of his political opponents
>His country's symbol is a big bird

Do you even have to ask ?

>>52207093
>>52207110
I would totally play this, sounds like a pretty cool setting.

>>52207322
CHA should be higher, Trump minmaxes the fuck out of that one. Could probably lose the Architecture and Engineering skills too, unless you fluff them to represent hiring people who do know that stuff.

>>52207322
Probably should decrease wis a lot, int should be somewhat lower as well. Increase Cha to compensate.

>>52207519
>decrease wis a lot
Why? It's not his power stat, but he's pretty good for that.
Int is fair though, he's the type to delegate that stuff rather than deal with it himself.

>>52206447
Mov 4-4
CC 6
BS 5
PH 10
WIP 11
ARM 0
BTS 0
W 1
S 2

Not armed with anything, produces an irregular order.

>>52207462
>CHA should be higher, Trump minmaxes the fuck out of that one

Eh, I'd instead say that his supporters have less than average wis and/or no training in Insight.

>>52206637

Corbyn's player is the one new guy trying to take it seriously, but is incapable of dealing with the others hijinks

>>52206637
Tbf, if the bbeg wants you to do a thing, do you really want to do it?

>>52207679
I don't know, anon, he's fulfilling his promises so far. I'm more than satisfied, this is what I've wanted.

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>>52207679
> lol deplorables amirite?

>>52207749
This desu famalam

>>52207749
>>52207769

Look, it's okay. Everyone gets bamboozled from time to time. No need to be upset, just accept it as it is, learn from the experience, and try to do better next time.

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Shouldn't Trump get some overpowered ability that allows him to reroll multiple times? Or maybe he gets no "perfect 20", instead he gets "perfect 15 or higher". Or maybe some shounen-hero like ability that makes his chances of succeeding higher the lower the projected chances of succeeding are.
>1.6% odds of becoming president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b89d1oip7WM

>>52206447
Look. I don't have to show you my character sheet. I've already got top people looking over it, and they've told me that what's in it is perfect.

I mean, strength. Trust me, I've got lots of strength. I can do anything I put my mind to. Not many could say that.

Dexterity. Some people say I've got low dexterity. WRONG! I'm the most dexterous, everyone knows that. Those who say otherwise are haters.

I don't know what this is?

Intelligence? I don't need intelligence, they don't need to brief me on that.

Wisdom. I've got the most wisdom, the best wisdom. After all, I ran a business.

Charisma. Have you seen my daughter?

Everyone knows I'm High Class, everyone knows that.

My hit points? Maximum. I'm healthy, almost too healthy, but that would be bad. I'm in great shape though, my doctor says so.

My gold? I thought we agreed not to talk about that.

>>52207724
>I don't know, anon, he's fulfilling his promises so far

[x] put Hillary Clinton in prison
[x] Build wall with Mexico

What other promises am I missing that he's fulfilled so far?

>>52207809
Health care reform? Seems like it's going to go through without a hick anyway.

>>52207824
Oh, and don't forget draining the swamp.

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>>52207809
>[x] Build wall with Mexico
But he's doing that.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/trump-border-wall-construction-mexico.html
Even a Mexican company wants in on building the wall. If things continue as they are today, the only promise left unfulfilled is to lock Clinton up. And who knows, given how LOW ENERGY she is, she might die before Trump's first term is over.

>>52207824
>Health care reform? Seems like it's going to go through without a hick anyway.
I don't think you're reading the same things I am. The right-wing media is tearing itself in half over whether they want to call it Ryancare to distance Trump from it, or complain that Trump is just pushing Obamacare 2.0.

Plus,
>muh 24 million

>>52207824
How the fuck is 24 million people losing health insurance "health care reform"?

>>52207207
>>BBEG
Elon Musk. Not yet, but I'm calling it. That man is one personal tragedy away from building enormous battle robots.
>>52207364
>Disciples refer to their leader as a "God Emperor" who slew an evil deceptive sorceress and usurped her throne.
>Disciples worship a prophet named KEK who is depicted as a little green frog that foretold the rise of the God Emperor through repeating digits at the end of post numbers on Japanese anime image board.
>Disciples believe that they are taking the high ground even though they are trying to bring and end to the world as we know it.
>The God Emperor wants to exile all who he feels a threat and silence all the dissenters and those who oppose him.

>>52207462
>I would totally play this, sounds like a pretty cool setting.
Typical /tg/. We turn troll threads into serious worldbuilding settings. Probably borrow a lot of inspiration from Flashback Dan Simmons but without the titular drug.
>>52208018
The story begins on January 20, 2024 in Texas as a small group of resistance fighters emerge from a bomb shelter shortly after a nuclear Holocaust has taken place to scavenge for supplies. The earth is scorched from nuclear hellfire, sunlight is heavily blocked out by thick nuclear ash/pollution and the rain is now acidic. The resistance fighters are scavenging the ruins of Dallas, Texas when they are startled by a loud screeching "REEEEEEEEEEE". They are ambushed by a pack of mindless green frog-like mutant cannibals. They try to fight off the cannibals but must flee due to being heavily outnumbered. The resistance fighters begin to migrate south towards Mexico because they are unsure whether or not Mexico was nuked during the nuclear holocaust. They are stopped by the sight of the titanic impenetrable border wall built by the God Emperor that survived the nuclear explosions. Fear creeps up the resistance fighters spines when they realize that the wall wasn't built to keep prewar Mexicans out but to keep postwar Americans in. Hundreds of "REEEEEEEEEEs" can be heard coming from a distance behind them...

>>52208009
"Reform" doesn't have to mean "good" just look at the Protestants

Colonist (Entrepreneur) Picked up a second spec in Politico

>>52206447
Sapient Toupee
Str 1, Dex 3, Con 8, Int 4, Was 7, Cha 20
HD: 3d10
Feats: Manipulator, Misdirection
Drawback: Compulsive Liar
Skills: Bluff +8, Diplomacy +5, Sense Motive +1
Special: Can attach to the head of an individual during a grapple, forcing them to make a Will Save DC 11 or be Dominated as long as the Toupee remains in place.

>>52208018
>enormous battle robots.
surely you mean undetectable plague-carrying air-borne nano bots

>>52208060
But even that was good from the Protestant's pov. Unless you're one of the few people rich enough to benefit or are profiting off of healthcare, which 99% of Trump voters aren't, why the fuck would you want this?

Obamacare had plenty of problems, don't get me wrong, but this solves none of them.

>>52207858
1/2 is a failing grade, especially when hes using taxpayer dollars to do it. Also talk about his other "promises" like health care.

The wall itself is fucking stupid. ~50% of illegals come over by plane or boat legally and just never leave when they are supposed to. Building a wall isnt going to stop anything.

>>52208113
>1/2 is a failing grade
Not only didn't he only make two promises, but he's been in charge for three months. You don't hand out grades 3 minutes after the test has started.

>>52208166
You do after its been twice as long as he said it would take him to do it

>>52208018
>>52208056
>The Mall of America is powered by generators and the entire mall has been filled televisions playing Shadilay and the Trump Never Come Down remix all day and night. Constant religiously fueled orgies of white people. Outside is a massive plantation worked by blacks and latino slaves and the Walmart Supercenter down the street is where the High Priests of the God-Emperor reside interpreting his will through mystic traditions.

>>52208009
Because now families won't need to pay $21,000+ per year in health insurance so the poor don't have to pay. Before Obamacare I was paying $7,000 per year.

I'm tired of /pol/.

>>52208205
Just have fun during the discussion, you fucking nigger. It's way better than every single of those fucking "slutty armor elf what do" and "I want to play a sissy trap" threads.

>>52208205
it goes both ways

>>52208298
If I wanted to have discussion on politics, I'd go to /pol/, where it's supposed to be.

People like you are why this board is utter shit nowadays.

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Rolled 12 (1d100)

I predict this thread to turn into pure shit and arguements that will go on until bump limit.
Rolling

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>>52208320

>>52208298
At least those are even remotely relevant to /tg/.
Not even supposed worldbuilding can save this shit thread.

And I say supposed, because the actual worldbuilders were all driven off by idiots like the people in this thread.

>>52208009
>How the fuck is 24 million people losing health insurance "health care reform"?
Because now they have "access" to health care as long as they can afford to pay for it themselves.

>>52208356
You can actually polish a turd. Literally and figuratively.

You can't make this board better by introducing /pol/.

Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>52208355
>08 Figher
>09 Warrior
Literally what is the difference.

>>52208386
Fighters fight on their own terms. Warriors fight for causes.

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>>52208356
Here you go

>>52208111
I'm pretty sure I'll benefit because before Obamacare I was paying about $6k a year on health insurance. Now I'm paying close to $15k for the same coverage every year.

>>52208446
And soon you'll be paying 20,000 a year for it because you're not rich.

>>52208205
The problem is for all the shit they give others, they can't take even the smallest slight against them. They're completely unable to laugh at themselves

>>52208300
>I'm tired of democrats still REEEEEEEE'ing over Trump being president and refusing to accept that Hillary lost.

What does that have to do with people making threads about cars on the cooking board

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>>52208460
If I thought politics was fun, I'd be on /pol/.

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>>52208355

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>>52207242
>>52206447
You are an idiot. Your fetish with a coward, incompetent and ignorant puppet makes you as much as a failura as your /pol/ friends. Go back there and suffocate in your own feces.

>>52208475
Do you sincerely believe that this accounts for all of 24 million people? Even if it's a full 50% of that number that simply chooses to go without, that's still 12 million having insurance taken away from them, and that's still fucking horrible.

>>52208602
Remember, if you think a thread is bait or just designed to cause an argument, report and ignore.

Do not engage with them, as that's what they want and all you'll do is bump a shit thread.

>>52208602

I guess Trump would be an exampele of a thrall herd because he could murder their families and they'd still praise his name.

They are only a few steps from wanting him to be king of America and this is after they went off about family dynastys but they are called for one of his children to run next.

>>52208610
So? That's life. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

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>>52208691
Surprise, you're the reason life sucks.

>>52208355
Pls something fun

>>52207793
He looks a lot stronger than he is because his enemies are all incompetent.

Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>52208355
Wizardhood here I come

>>52208784
What the fuck

>>52208466
>The problem is for all the shit they give others, they can't take even the smallest slight against them. They're completely unable to laugh at themselves

It's a problem with conservatives lacking humor in general. The other day I saw a sticker of Hillary and Obama that said "DUMB AND DUMBER" underneath, and was baffled that:

1) Someone thought this was clever or humorous
2) Someone thought this was clever or humorous enough to pay money for

Maybe it's something to do with those studies showing that conservatives aren't as capable of understanding strangers.

>>52207793
You had to be a fool to think the Electorals would let Hillary in.

Trump is an all around asshole who has no idea what he's doing and is almost universally hated by politicians because everything he does isn't to make changes, it's to stir up some kind of fuss and paint other people as being the issue.

But Hillary had actual legal troubles going on during the election that the CIA or FBI or whoever the hell it was they got to look into her emails intensified, on top of the issues resurfacing from Bill's time in office. Add onto this the Benghazi issues and her less than clean history, and you have a massive legal fiasco if she becomes president.

The most illegal thing Trump did was wait to release his tax info, which in itself is hardly illegal at its worst. Everything else he's ever done has been legal because he can't afford to do things illegally.

Voting doesn't matter in politics, because no matter what they'll arrange a winner and have the popular vote be close enough to call 'fair' and let the media have its field day.

Hillary was doomed from the start, because Trump was somehow cleaner than her.

>>52208831
I think it's just lack of practice. Humor is a skill, you need to work at it if you want to actually be any good. Conservatives usually approach politics from a place of anger, whereas liberals tend to be more comfortable with mixing in humor. Compare Rush Limbaugh to Jon Stewart. Each one fills a similar niche on their respective side, but Limbaugh tends to prefer to make his audience angry, while Stewart wants to make them laugh.

>>52208887
> Everything else he's ever done has been legal because he can't afford to do things illegally.
He paid off two state attorneys general to get them to look the other way when it came to fraud cases surrounding Trump University. He quite literally could afford to do illegal things.

>>52208691
>Millions without access to proper healthcare, only a single injury away from bankruptcy
>"Life is unfair, deal with it"
>Well off assholes have to pay slightly more money in taxes
>"Fucking government stealing my money, it's not fair!"

>>52208959
When did this happen? Didn't hear it brought up in the election?

>>52209052
If you don't have health care, that's your problem. It doesn't justify stealing from someone else who is actually productive. It's called personal responsibility, you should try it some time.

>>52206447
Class: God emperor (or paladin)
His stats are HUGE.
He automatically makes america great again.
He doesn't stop winning.

>>52208831
It's not even humor, but art and creativity in general. Just look at the shit they had to scrape off the bottom of the barrel to perform at the inauguration.

>>52209094
It was brought up in the election. Trump gave money to the Texas and Florida state attorneys general, and in afterward they dropped the fraud cases against Trump University in their respective states. The problem is that Trump's voters simply never heard about it because they ignore all the sources that reported on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/15/us/politics/pam-bondi-donald-trump-foundation.html
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/08/481284335/texas-governor-linked-to-trump-university-fraud-case
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-pays-irs-a-penalty-for-his-foundation-violating-rules-with-gift-to-florida-attorney-general/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-foundation-gift-florida-attorney-general-pam-bondi/story?id=43928225

>>52209098
When it's an issue of life or death, which for millions it is, I could not give less of a shit about some shithead's idea of theft. That kind of poverty isn't worth saving a little extra cash to buy a new pool, and if you think it is I sincerely hope someone shoots you in the head and actually steals all your shit.

>>52209174
See shit like this is stupid. Yeah Hillary did shady shit, and it's right to bring it up, but when you have Trump proven to do illegal stuff and it's ignored is when you know things have gone too far.

Fuck this country. I'm moving to Norway.

>>52209211
>inb4 "so much for the tolerant left!"

Why is /tg/ full of cucks?

>>52209098
It's not theft, it's a demand that you compensate the country you live in for the positive externalities it provides you. No free-riding for you.

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>>52209216
Don't let the door hit you on the way out faggot.
>>52209258
Reddit crossposters. Not even memeing. Actual Redditors browse /tg/ a lot.

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>>52209276
>r/TheDonald poster calling anyone else a redditor

This is why nobody likes you.

>>52209258
Eh? Clucks? There's no chickens here, laddie.

>>52209293
I'm not even a big Trump supporter tho. I only go to Reddit for info, not opinions. I don't even have an account.

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>>52209320
Then why are you calling other people redditors?

>>52209344
Because I don't consider myself a redditor since I don't post or participate in any of their shit. I also rarely ever go there except for tabletop related shit like clarification on a rule or spell, how to stat something, etc.

>>52209216
>Fuck this country. I'm moving to Norway.
No anon, you must move to Sweden. I hear Malmo is nice this year, you'd fit right in.

>>52208887
>>52209094
Considering you seem to think Benghazi was something illegal that Hillary did, I'm not surprised you didn't hear about it.

>>52209436
> you seem to think Benghazi was something illegal that Hillary did
Illegal? Technically no. But obscenely dishonest? You bet it was.

>>52209376
You claim you want knowledge on how to stat things which is a very specific thing you would have to ask for, yet you claim to not have an account. You're lying then or you're lying now.

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>>52209498
I just look for other people who've asked similar questions and use the info they get to make it myself. Is that hard to understand? Now check this 6

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>>52209436
See >>52209436

Benghazi was a shitstorm for Hillary, any way you look at it.

>>52209527
Yeah, fuck off. 5

>>52209174
>The problem is that Trump's voters simply never heard about it because they ignore all the sources that reported on it.

It's funny how it only took about a week for "fake news" to start being defined as "information that makes me upset".

>>52209549
9. Now check this 4.

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>>52209573

>>52209604
>>52209573
>>52209549
>>52209527
It's ok, guys. /tg/ has dubs. You can just try to get them.

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>>52206447

>>52209604
4.
6.

>>52209614
Alright. 33.

>>52209276
>implying you're not a redditfugee

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>>52209618

>>52209631
Close but no cigar.
2.

>>52209258
It's approaching /co/-levels of cuckoldry

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>>52209642
O shit

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>>52209636

>>52209659
If I take off that nine, will you die?

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>>52209614
>>52209619
>>52209631
Nice try

>>52209098
>It's stealing
You are childless, early 20s, have also never had a committed relationship last over a year, probably work in IT

You grew up in suburbs and think of yourself as a rugged individualist as a result.

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>>52209673

>>52209680
It would be extremely painful.

For this 99.

>>52206447

Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 5d10 (27 hp)
Initiative: +3
Speed: 20 ft. (4 squares), fly 60 ft. (poor)
Armor Class: 14 (+1 size, +3 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 11
Base Attack/Grapple: +5/–1
Attack: Bite +9 melee (1d4–2 plus petrification)
Full Attack: Bite +9 melee (1d4–2 plus petrification)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Petrification
Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision
Saves: Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +2
Abilities: Str 6, Dex 17, Con 11, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 9
Skills: Listen +7, Spot +7
Feats: Alertness, Dodge, Weapon FinesseB
Environment: Temperate plains
Organization: Solitary, pair, flight (3–5), or flock (6–13)
Challenge Rating: 3
Treasure: Repeating Digits
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 6–8 HD (Small); 9–15 HD (Medium)
Level Adjustment: —

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>>52209689

>>52209694
Facking hell this board can be slow sometimes.

>>52209705
There we go, /thread, we can all go home now.

>>52209565
IT was always that. 99% of americans no matter if from the left or right dont know what freespeach is and just wabt to mąkę a safespace free of wrongthinck. This is why the roght think that brightbart is true and the left think that cnn is

>>52206447
Immunity: Being stumped

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>>52209709

>>52209098
>Taxes are stealing
Ho boy... Nice knowing you are living in a third-world shithole when taxes are spend on private military keeping local dictator in power and nothing else.

Oh, wait...

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>>52209721

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>>52209694

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>>52209735

>>52209732
Its not the American people's duty to take care of Tyrone and Cletus for dropping out of high school to make crack and meth.

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>>52209772

>>52209779
>I'm an island unto myself
>hurr durr

Ok, nice to know you got Atlas Shrugged from the high school library

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>>52209788

>>52209779
>How ultra-individualism destroys a nation: The Post

It's like someone pointed out few days ago in unrelated thread - US of A is a third world country with first world tech and few pockets of civilisation surrounded by backwater and wilderness.

>>52209258
>Why is /tg/ full of cucks?

>>52209655
>It's approaching /co/-levels of cuckoldry

Just to be clear, you dorks are upset because people are telling you to fuck off back to /pol/ with the politics discussion on /tg/, right?

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>>52209803

>>52207372
Lmao that's kinda true.
I have hopes with Macron. Might be the banker's dude, but at least he's pro european and really wants to go forward.

>>52209800
The worst part is that there are people who genuinely and honestly believe in this stuff, while suffering hardships caused by this and just shrug them off, becuase they are inducted by entire generations of repeating this shit to be docile and keep sprouting this bullshit further.

>>52209816
Anon please stop trying to summon Satan, his shitposts are the worst.

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>>52209809
They're not smart enough to understand that.

>>52209804
That describes most first world countries though.

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>>52209841
Satan's an okay guy.

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>>52209863

>>52209779
Damn straight.

When will people learn that landowners of certain wealth should have the right to care on how their money is spent.

Taxes should strictly be spent on military, infrastructure, and at best, scientific research. Why support a welfare state?

>>52209804
That's...that's actually a good way to describe it.

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>>52209880

>>52209850
No it doesn't and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to bend reality to follow your imagination, burger.
But how could you know, if the farthest you ever went was next state.

>>52209800
but I'm not an objectivist. I just don't think we should be babysitting drug addicts and people who try to leech off of society. I'm fine with welfare to people who actually need it. Drug tests should be mandatory to apply for welfare.

>>52209889
Why the fuck should they? Life's not fair, maybe they should learn to just deal with it.

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>>52209923

>>52209889
>Why support a welfare state?
Cheaper in the long run than pretending 20 million low-IQ babies aren't going to turn into 20 million low-IQ criminals in 15 years.

>>52209908
>Drug tests should be mandatory to apply for welfare.
Do the operating boards of corporations also have to get drug tested before they get sweet tax breaks too

What about people who end up in the ER

And people who call the police

Or anyone else who receives any aid from the state

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>>52209934

>>52209779
>epidemic starts, because a good deal of people have no access to health care
>kek, not my problem

>people start rioting because they've been treated like slaves
>well, slaves at least got food for their work and didn't need to beg for food stamps from the government like Walmart employees
>not my problem, lol, I'll just rent some personal guards

>the whole justice system is built to exploit the slave work of inmates
>kek, told you Jamal is a thief

>>52209889
Imight be talking out of my ass here,but i'm fairly sure in this case, the many outweigh the few by far, i.e, lower class people will still give more to taxes than rich people, because they're so many.
Therefore, they're the ones whose opinion should matter on how to spend money. and in their case, i presume they like having part of their taxes used to help others, because it might help them in turn when they need it.

And that's just the logical argument. Try to use your logic on an actual scale, telling people to fuck off, that they won't get education for example, see how your country holds up 30 years afterwards.

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>>52209949

>>52209940
Yes to the corporates too.
>>52209952
Read my other post dumb shit. I said its fine to feed people in actual need, not people who put themselves in that situation for gibmedats.

>>52209940
> Cheaper in the long run than pretending 20 million low-IQ babies aren't going to turn into 20 million low-IQ criminals in 15 years.
It would be cheaper still to pay for 20 million bullets. Or better yet, pay to sterilize the 2 million nogs who are shitting them out.

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>>52209965

>>52209961
anon, you're trying to use logic on people who are arguing politics on /tg/. they're obviously too stupid to follow your reasoning, much less actually think.

>>52209705
You're late.

>>52209908
Every state that has tried drug testing has spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to catch maybe a few dozen at most drug users. The only leech is conservative stupidity.

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>>52210001

>>52209705
>Trump
>large beast
>5"10'
Ok

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>>52210022

>>52209961
Unfortunately, many low-income conservatives see their current financial status as a temporary state, and believe they will somehow become wealthy if they only continue to vote (R).

>>52209988
>things would be fine if I got to decide who gets to reproduce!
Always a good idea until the committee decides you don't make the cut.

>>52210035
He's 6'8", anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. Very tall. Very, very tall man. Six-ten, even.

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>>52210037

>>52210021
>only a dozen
[X] doubt.
I know a lot A LOT o druggies live around me that rely on welfare and healthcare to support their habit while contributing nothing to society but problems.

>>52209986
And on what research do you base your distinction?
Because what you're spouting is just pure ideology.

>>52209988
Let's be serious for a minute anon. People have rights. No matter what you say, if you start going down that road, it can from bad to worse extremely fast.
Look at Turkey. The guy needed what? 4 years? Now he's locked up several thousands educated people, who MIGHT oppose him. And in a few months he'll get even more power thanks to some ullshit referendum, to which his opponents won't be able to vote for of course, since theyre in jail.

My point is, you can't take fundamental rights from the people or it gets bad fast. The best way to solve long term problems is education, to get the people out of their hoods and whatnot.It's a long, arduous and costly process, but it's pretty much the only way to treat the problem in depth.

On that note, how does the government actually thinks people will do if they start closing public schools?

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>>52210078


>>52210068
>On that note, how does the government actually thinks people will do if they start closing public schools?
>implying the government actually cares
You have seen common core math, haven't you? they are activily makign sure schools are more useless than self education.

Look at the people in this thread - they're so stupid they can't tell the difference between /pol/ and /tg/.

>>52210068
> Look at Turkey
> implying what the mudslimes do has any bearing on what can happen in the US

> On that note, how does the government actually thinks people will do if they start closing public schools?
There are private schools, and they are vastly superior. And beyond that, there's home schooling. In the modern era, all the resources you need to learn about something are right there at your fingertips if you're willing to use them instead of just sitting on your ass sucking a government check.

>>52209986
>It's simple guys, just help the good guys and dont help the bad ones! Why's this so hard??

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>>52210128

>>52210128
Common core is a huge part of the education problem but so is the fact that so many minorities just don't fucking care about education because they know they government will take care of them for being poor and colored.
t. Poor and colored anon who finished school and actually cared and is in the process of getting a job.

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>>52210173

>>52210143
>There are private schools, and they are vastly superior
Nah.

>And beyond that, there's home schooling
Which requires a single income household, which would mean wages that could support a single income household.

>And beyond that, there's home schooling. In the modern era, all the resources you need to learn about something are right there at your fingertips if you're willing to use them instead of just sitting on your ass sucking a government check.
Lookit me, I graduated from the university of Wikipedia!

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>>52210173


>>52210143
Poor example, since you're clearly too stupid to be able to read what /tg/ means and what /pol/ means.

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>>52210229

>>52209940
>20 million low IQ adult criminals.

In the US at least, when the Supreme court gave the greenlight for women's right to abortions, crime dramatically lowered in the next generation.

Now I know what you'll probably call me, but I'm just going to say eugenics and or planned society is pretty damn good.

>>52209961
We're going to need some serious data if we're going to talk about who pays more. My initial claim was landowners of certain wealth should be able to voice how they spend their money.

If you provide such numbers I will agree. But to your main point, yes if people pay taxes they have a right to determine how it is spend. But why exactly should people in the lower income brackets vote to spend their taxes on programs for others? I'm sure they're more inclined to spend it on necessities than the off chance they may need it in the future.

Besides, since there will always be more lower income people, why must we punish those who had either the good fortune and or work ethic to be middle or upper class? If we keep building a larger welfare state, what incentives do they have to reach the next bracket, if it's going to be lost in taxes?

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>>52210263

>>52210062
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/02/07/drug-testing-benefits-tennessee-yields-only-65-positives/79776756/

65 positive tests out of 39,000

>>52210275
>muh landowners

So I'm guessing you live in one of those flyover states that think cities shouldn't have any say on what true sovereign shitizen types should do?

>>52210143
>There are private schools, and they are vastly superior.
Weird how every objective metric seems to prove the opposite, though. Must be a conspiracy.

>>52210311
Damn.
[spoiler[ they must've gotten their sober friends to pee for them.

>>52210275
Ah. Suddenly I know where you get your money from, and it isn't by working for it.

>>52210275
>Now I know what you'll probably call me

A retard who thinks that we have any idea which genetic lines are going to be useful in the future?

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>>52210335

>>52210170
>>52210311
Not the anon you guys were responding to, but I think this is the simple cost of responsibility and regulation. We have high standards in our automotive, flight, and retail industries that to a lot of critics, wastes money on excess testing and regulation.

But since this is tax payers money, why not ensure the people in question who are to receive aid, are in actual need? It is far superior to ensure that hungry mother's, struggling working men, and so forth, are to receive the necessary aid versus the creepy hobo who's on crack.

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>>52210383

>>52210376
No no no anon, ALL people need work including the ones who knowingly inject themselves with drugs and alcohol who were otherwise ablebodied and able to work. If you disagree you are a Nazi.

>>52210400
Welfare*

>>52210376
Because oftentimes, like in the case of mandatory drug testing, the cost of rooting out the bad outweighs the cost of just letting it be and putting that money directly towards aid. At that point it's not about saving money, it's about wasting it for the sake of punishment.

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>>52210395

>>52210329
Wrong actually, I'm a Californian. But thanks for showing an interest.

>>52210355
I actually work part time for roughly 30-35 hours a week. I have the good fortune to be in a strong family support system.

>>52210362
Better than what I expected. But honestly, that doesn't disprove how criminals can't commit crime if they aren't borne. And if we make the actual investment into Genetics, we could hypothetically not worry about lost genes.

>>52207673
> PH 10
The man is legally obese. They only avoided that by giving him a pity inch. In fact
> 4-4
Should be 4-2. Or even 2-2.

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>>52210418
>California
You have my condolences.

When I saw this thread while scrolling I thought it said salt thread instead of stat thread. That would have been more accurate.

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>>52210415

>>52210412
Fair point. But what does it say when we don't have such measures? As far as I am aware, not every state and city in the union has this policy. I think if we pay taxes to support and help people, than well dammit, I'm willing to fork over the dough to make sure they are for the right people.

>>52206447
How did anyone take the bait? How hard is it to not take the bait?

>>52210418
>I live at my parents house.

>>52210418
>just let the scientists worry about it, I dunno

Just for funsies, let's say your amazing eugenics society gets up and running, and then one day you get a knock at your door because the Gene Police have been checking you out and decided that you need to die because you're not up to specs. You'll go along with them, right?

>>52210418
>I actually work part time for roughly 30-35 hours a week. I have the good fortune to be in a strong family support system.
So... you're a trust-fund baby who has nothing to add to this conversation. OK, thanks!

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>>52210462


>>52210474
They're /pol/tards. It's not bait, it's just another /pol/ thread to them. They're not smart enough to understand /tg isn't /pol/.

>>52210474
>How hard is it to not take the bait?
>says the guy as he adds +1 to the reply counter

If you were really the uberbeard you claim to be, you wouldn't be around to see this reply. Either join in the trolling or close the tab. It ain't hard.

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>>52210516

>>52209850
It's a common delusion but no. American wealth distribution, put on a graph, looks incredibly anomalous compared to every first country in how bad it is. It's more at home with shitholes like Brazil.

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>>52210533

Alright if you want to bring this back around to /tg/
How would you put a Hilary inspired character in your setting?

>>52210463
>But what does it say when we don't have such measures?
It says we're not a society run by busybody church ladies.

>>52210488
Yes it's quite nice. Better to be impoverished while attending school. Never did understand why my fellow students would willingly work, live alone, and pay debts. Odd people.

>>52210507
In the ideal eugenics society, we would have hopefully created the modern day Superman. And in cases of rapidly evolving disease and or unknown changes in our environment, have a large stock of genetic information in a "bank" would allow for modification to the Superman formula.

And to answer your question, sure. I mean, if they discovered I have some horrible disease or a high chance for malformities, than it is clear I have horrible genetic stock, and mistakes were made.

Also, I don't have a trust fund. Being lower middle class doesn't give such benefits. Oh well.

>>52210602
*Better than being impoverished.

Phone posting, please forgive.

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>>52210551

>>52210602
It means you have a skewed understanding of how real life works because you don't have a real life.

>>52206651
Spicy meme famalama

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>>52210628

>>52210639
Okay. How real does my life need to be?
I work, I attend school, I pay taxes, pay my own bills, etc.

What am I missing?

>>52210463
It says "I understand that the benefits I receive from this measure are greatly outweighed by the cost, and I'd rather be sensible with my money instead."

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>>52210663

>>52210463
If there was a simple, cost-effective way to ensure that funds were going to the right people, without any getting caught in the crossfire, I would be all for it. But there isn't

And specifically, if there was I don't know that drug use would be a good qualifier for "wrong people". I'm sure there's assholes out there just looking to abuse the system, but just doing drugs doesn't mean you can't be a productive member of society. And if someone can't, addiction is as much a disease as any other, and I'd rather see them get help than thrown out onto the street.

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>>52210287

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>>52210678

>>52206447
STR: 10
DEX: 10
CON: 10
INT: 10
WIS: 10
CHA: 10

He's just a dude, personality notwithstanding.

>>52210667
>I only work part-time and go to school
>I don't pay for housing
>I'm totes an adult guise

>>52210678
HAIL LOS THE RED
HAIL DISCORDIA
HAIL DISCORDIA
CAN TAK, CAN TAM

Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>52208355
Rill

>>52210418
If you think crime can be solved through genetics then you're too fucking retarded for genetics to save you. Kill yourself now, for the good of the species.

>>52210667
Do you rent an apartment? do you make your own car payments? to you pay rent to people who won't tolerate it being late or short? Do yoy pay taxes on things other than income? do you have to concern yourserlf about the fact that if you lose your job ytou hjave no financial support save what you have in savings (though your current savings is falsified by the fact your parents carry the burden that you do not, further skewing your understanding of how living on your own works)?

Your circumstances vastly skew the version you see of reality outside your safe environment. That's why everything you think about taxes, the government, and how people should be treated is so easily disregarded - you're just a kid living off the largess of others. You have only anecdotal evidence of how the world outside your comfy and safe home life is, and haven't actually experienced hardship. It's very easy to condemn others suffering when you haven't experienced anything like real suffering.

Standard American upper class self righteousness.

>>52210684
Probably an argument that can be refuted, but I understand that Portugal now considers drug addicts as ill people and not criminal, get them to clinics and stuff instead of throwing them in jail, and apparently the number of drug addicts has been going down. In the long run, that's a very solid point for such a policy.

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>>52210736
CAN TOI, CAN DE LAK!

>>52208205
Me fucking too, anon. I've reached the point where I'd rather the fucking tumblrinas just win this culture war, just it can be fucking over and I can go back to enjoying my hobbies without everything devolving into a political argument.

>>52210818
That's pretty much what happened a decade ago with the Netherlands as well.

Plus while we are at it we should consider people on antidepressants as drug users as well.

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>>52210837

>>52210838
Apply for a janitor position anon. I did, tough luck, didn't get through, but if only mods were a bit harder on /pol/ and bait threads, I'm sure we could have a bit more peace.

>>52210837
Tak ah wan!
Tak ah wan!
Tak ah lah!
Mi him, en tow!

>>52210553
You could probably do a good fallen queen with her. Her brother objected to her sitting on the throne instead of him, and the battle between them weakened the kingdom. The corrupt guilds then seized the chance for power, and helped a mad barbarian conquer the kingdom while they fought. Now an exile, she's given up all hope for ever claiming her throne, but still seeks to help her loyalists reclaim the kingdom from their tenuous, twisted alliance.

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>>52210962

>>52210923
Doesn't sound evil and sociopathic enough to be Hilary.

>>52210736
I guess there's no pleasing you.

Really, if God willing, I'd have a large family that'd live close and within arm's reach. No reason for my future children to suffer pointless hardship.

>>52210738
But it was just solved? At least one of the factors was eliminated.

>>52210818
Look up supervised injection sites and the effect that they'd have. A lot of the best methods for treating drug abuse seem counter-intuitive, decriminalization and legalization very much included, but the truth is that the war on drugs is insanely misguided, ineffective, and sometimes actively harmful.

>>52211033
>I guess I don't have any way to counter the arguments laid against me

It's OK, you tried. I'm sure your parents will continue to prop you up egardless of your failures.

Wrestling DX+0
Targeted Attack (Wrestling grapple / groin)

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>>52210842
>people responsibly taking prescribed medication for their diagnosed mental illness are drug offenders

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>>52210890
Trig delah, an-tet.

>>52210804
I live at home with parents.
I pay for my own car, school, and taxes. As well as small bills to establish my credit.

I have my own savings account.

Really the only point I see that has merit is the fact I live with parents. Why? There was a time not long ago where son's stayed home and contributed to their clan/home. I can't prove to you my experience in life is not ancedotal, but so is everyone else's experience.

And I don't even need to experience suffering to understand it. People have been suffering since the beginning of time, I think I can fill in the blanks

But blog post is over. I'll stop posting now I guess.

>>52211134
>offenders
Read again.

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>>52211182

>>52209098
>>It doesn't justify stealing from someone else who is actually productive.

The majority of the mega-rich inherited their money. You usually have to go back 3-4 generations to find anyone who was actually productive.

If any of the mega-rich truly were productive, then high taxes wouldn't affect them, because they'd be constantly making money. In reality they're coasting on the cash ol' Grampa Moneybags left them. Taxes would deplete that reserve quicker than their cocaine habit alone, which is why they're always whining.

>>52208355
Rolling with post number because more fun

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>>52211200

>>52210602
>w-well in m-my ideal w-world I'd a-already be the b-best ever

Anon, face it, if genetic alteration ever becomes mainstream it'll be used to fix genetic malformities in vitro and nothing else. Your dystopian gene police fetish will have to stay firmly in the realm of whatever fucked up Korean independent manwhas you got them from.

>>52211177
See, no matter how many times I read it it literally makes no fucking sense unless I assume you're arguing for a reclassification of responsible prescribed drug use as a negative thing.

>>52211289
What he means os that people taking antidepressants would be considered drug users, which, in turn, in those countries, would mean they would be given help.
I suppose they get sent to clinics or places where they get help to get off their leds and solve their depressions, instead of the American way of throwing as many fucked up meds your way and calling it a day because the check from the laboratories has already been cashed.

>>52209258
Wondering that myself.

>>52209098
>taxes are theft

W E W
E
W

Fact of the matter is, taxes are never going away. Period. It won't happen. So, would you rather your taxes pay for people to get necessary medical treatments for easily preventable diseases and easily treatable injuries? Or rather your tax money pay for trillions of dollars of military hardware that will literally never be used and no one serving will ever even get their hands on?

It's a trick question because I know your answer and it's to tip-toe around the question.

>>52206447
STR 10
CON 10
No feats of strength or resilience come to mind that would make him above average, nor can I think of a reason to penalise him.
DEX 9
I doubt he's done any reflex training in his life, and he looks a little bit overweight.
INTELLIGENCE 14
He's had a good education. Holds a degree.
WISDOM 12
He's not stupid, and smart enough to build a fortune (at least to some degree). This would be higher if he had more self-restraint.
CHARISMA 17
He's a charismatic man, that can't be argued. It was the basis for his election, after all.

He'd make an okay warlock.

>>52206447
1/1

>>52211365
The issue with that line of thinking is that there's not a way to "get them off the drugs and just make them better", it's why they take drugs. Depression and other mental illnesses cannot always or even repeatably be "therapied away". I'm all for getting them help in addition to the drugs, but going into it with the expectation that they'll wake up one day and decide they don't need the drugs anymore is absolutely the wrong way to think about it.

>>52206573
>Exalted players are Trumpets
This makes so much sense.

>>52211367
You're free to leave the board at any time.

>>52211413
>He's not stupid, and smart enough to build a fortune (at least to some degree).
if he had invested his initial gift from dad of $10mil into index funds, he'd have more now that any of his business pursuits; that means his businesses are below the economy average; he has amassed no wealth beyond his initial fortune

>>52211527
>if he had invested his initial gift from dad of $10mil into index funds

$40 million, actually.

>>52209258
Fuck if I know. They just can't get it through their heads that we have no desire to sing the praises of Cheeto Jesus.

>>52210838
But if the tumblrinas won, you could never enjoy your hobbies because they'd be labeled too sexist/racist/misogynistic/ableist/whatever they're trumpeting lately.

Imagine 40k if the tumblrinas won, or DnD, or any of them. They'd be gutted.

>>52211614
You mean we'd have single paragraphs describing how it's OK to have trans- or genderqueer characters in our three hundred page rulebooks? Say it ain't so.

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>>52211614
But there's no "win" in this ya dingus.

The world isn't black and white, there will never be an uncontested public opinion on things.

And it doesn't change the main point: /pol/ stays in /pol/. I don't care if you venerate Hitler or Stalin, I'm here to talk about /tg/ stuff.

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>>52211614
So instead we have to cope with /pol/.

Yay.

Pic entirely related.

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>>52208602
You mad?

>>52211649
>>52211654
I don't like /pol/ anymore than anyone else, but I'm far more concerned with what the tumblrinas could do to my hobby to the polfront weenies. Because the tumblrinas are the ones who want to remake society in their image.

>>52211673
>poltards don't want to make the world in their image
How do you manage to breathe?

>>52211673
Well, /pol/ is making /tg/ in their image. Hope you're fucking happy about it.

>>52211693
They probably do. But at least with their image I could play as I want without offending anyone.

>>52211746
Until they decide something you like is 'degenerate'.

>>52210383
what is that from?

>>52211746
/tg/ seen by a /pol/esucker is myfarog. Your take.

>>52208561
fuck you erebus

>>52211673
>/pol/ doesn't want to change what it touches

>>52208113
~60-70%
Boat figure includes Rio Grande rafts.
The withholding taxpayer dollars thing was obstruction as congress itself okayed the wall in the late Bush years.

>>52206573
>Stamina 3
Anon, he's 270 pounds.

>>52206447
10 Str
14 Con
8 Dex
14 Wisdom
20 Charisma
20 Intelligence
Variant Human, Noble Background (Merchant Prince), initial feat was Actor
Class is either warlock (pact with satan), or vengeance paladin, depending on your view of him.
Alignment is either Chaotic Good or Chaotic Evil, depending on your view of him.

>>52209889
than we should actually fucking spend money on scientific research, and not try and censor it when we get results that you don't like.

>>52211527
And he wouldn't be president.

>>52211746
Sure, as long as that character is straight, white, male, human, and conforms to their standards of masculinity.

>>52212106
>>52211746

If you want to play however you want you choose tumblr.

Number of things that aren't straight while males > Number of things that are straight while males

The math just works out.

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http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/tnum/52206447/deleted/deleted/type/posts/

The fuck is going on with the mod's criteria?

Out of all the posts in this thread, these are the ones he chose to delete?

>>52211527
Not to mention that actually good investors, like those running Harvard fund, can get a return of 10% yearly.

>>52212214
Those were the only ones reported aside from OP most likely.

Proving yet again they are illiterate and don't give a fuck unless you scream at them for 8 years on /qa/.

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I hope all 80 of you die of a heart attack. Stop shitting up my elf bondage board. Ree.

>>52211256
Only in nations unfortunate enough to be infested with the kind of treasonous scumbags who scream "eugenics" at any attempt at improvement. The US banning transhumanism is just handing China control of the fucking planet.

>>52211899
He's the healthiest person to ever be president, his doctor confirms this

EO's Banned: 2

>>52212391
The oldest president in history also happens to be the healthiest? It's unbelievable, Trump is just too great!

You gullible fucking hick.

>>52212565
Biggest inaugural crowd in history, too. Of any country! Just a fantastic thing, literally fantastic. Everyone was there, even the dead people.

>>52212765
I know I was there

>>52212765
And he has the biggest hands! The best hands! People go to him and say "your hands are the best!"

>>52208602
I think the Trump memes are annoying, but there's literally nothing wrong with Trump that isn't also true, in some cases to an even higher degree, of Obama, Sanders and the Clintons.

But the truth is that a wall or a travel ban or whatever else he wants to do is simply not enough to revert all the problems the Democrats have started in America. Turning over everything Obama did is easy, because he mostly just played golf and drone stroke people, but there's no turning over 50 years of cultural subversion.

>>52212900
Cultural subversion? What the fuck is that?

>>52212944
You know, stuff like letting black kids go to decent schools.

>>52212944
White male mediocrity is no longer compared quite so favorably to everyone else's excellence.

>>52206637
Its funny how utterly unaware you people who fear the "big bad Putin" are of the real Machiavellian devils that run the world, and form the primary threat to all free people of the west, and the rest of the world as well.
Protip, the reason Putin is so demonized is because he is going against the plans of these globalist cunts.

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>>52212944
you must be 18 or older to use 4chan

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>>52212944
The destruction of the family, social cohesion, national pride, traditional values that had worked for hundreds of years and made societies built by Europeans so successful, the insanity that is the modern left, with their fatalistic hate of "western culture", insane belief in "diversity" being a strength (with no actual proofs backing up that statement), the complete disregard for the demographic future of their own people that has been put in grave danger due to mass immigration, and so on.
All of the above, is the result of cultural subversion of the west, and it has led the western world towards a path of self destruction, all because self righteous ideologs thought that they could build an utopia by disregarding societal conventions that had been in place for generations, for a very good reason.

When communism fell, former communist countries were still internally homogenous and retained their cultures and peoples. When this multiculturalistic globalist experiment that is being played in the west fails, western nations will no longer be western. They have become yugoslavia tier multicultural shitholes filled with ethnic and religions strife, the natives of those lands having been reduced to a mere minority in their ancestral homelands.

>>52214022
Hello Vlad, tell Dimitri I said hi.

Seriously man, if the US weren't there to act as a deterrent, Russia would have tried to annex more than Crimea loooong ago.

If I was Russian, I'd be all over Putin that's for sure, he's great for Russia. But there's no way in hell he's not against the US or at the bery least definitely willing to crush/conquer Europe one way or another.

Hopefully we Europeans can unite into a glorious federation before that happens. A common defense would be a great start.

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>>52214346
>he isn't falling for the ebil putin boogieman
>he must be a Russian!

Swing and miss m8.
I'm a Finn.
My people have actual reason to distrust the Ruskies, but right now, they are the least of my worries.
I see EU and the globalists as far greater existential threats to my people's future than the Russians could even hope to be right now.

>Hopefully we Europeans can unite into a glorious federation before that happens. A common defense would be a great start.

Oh fuck right off you Eurocrat bastard.
I will never see non Finns as my kin nor will I recognize myself as some sort of "European citizen". I'm a Finn, and my loyalty is only for my people, and I would not sacrifice a single hair from a Finnish head for the causes of non Finns.

I will become a fucking terrorist and start killing pro EU-federation politicians, rather than accept my people's enslavement under foreign people ever again. The sooner EU crashes and burns, the better. This cancerous union does not serve the interests of my people in any way.

>>52212765
>even the dead people.
It was the least they could do after they all rolled out to vote for Hillary

>>52214330
I wish conservatives were even half as oppressed as you think you are, I genuinely think the world would be a much better place if that were the case.

>>52206447
Shithead/10
Should be killed/10
Bread and Circus/10

>>52214666
That's the only thing I agree with you on, Satan.

>>52214666
Nobody mentioned oppression you twat.

And no, the world would not be a better place.
World has already become a worse place than it was few decades ago due to liberal policies.
This "progressivism" has led to Europe becoming increasingly dangerous place to live in for native Europeans, as well as minority groups within those nations, due to mass muslim immigration for example.

Liberalism is leading to a future of European civil wars between different ethnicities because native European peoples will not accept their ongoing demographic and cultural replacement indefinitely. Liberalism has led to a situation where conflict has arisen, where there used to be none, simply because the very basic notion of "we should only allow immigration that actually benefits our people and nation" has been lost, and the idea that it is a human right of everyone to move to europe and live off from our social services, has become mainstream in the liberal mindset.

I am not even particularly conservative for fuck's sake. I don't have anything against gays, abortion, women's rights etc. But in these days, simply wishing to preserving the social and cultural cohesion of your homeland, and prevent your people's demographic replacement makes you basically a nazi in the eyes of the left.

Political divisions of the next big conflicts of Europe are already drawn. Within few decades, cities of Europe will be coated in crimson once again, largely because of leftist policies.

>>52214420
No wonder, aren't you the people too autistic to be less than 10 meters apart from someone else?

Seriously though, as it is now, the EU is indeed incomplete and therefore unable to actually help and matter for the people. We need to reform it, in order to have a proper system. As of now, it's more of a living failed abortion, leading to severe disfunctions.


In my opinion, the sooner we can come together and secure our collective exterior borders, notably against Russia and immigration, the better.
No one can stand alone against these threats right now. If we manage to close our borders and set up a system to send back non europeans to theor shitholes, it'll be a big step forwatd already.

>>52214808
I think you overstimate greatly the reach of the left in europe. America is always extreme in its positions, but I dare say that apart from Sweden and Germany, pretty much every European country is at least a "healthy" level of racist.
Hell, my most racists friends in France are a half Greek half Black and an Egyptian. One can't stand blacks, calls them slaves and the other spits on Maghrebians. It's kinda hilarious really.

There are very few people that still want to welcome migrants here, and litteraly every presidential candidates except the communist one is against immigration through and through.

>>52214420
>My people
Oh boy it's a "I'm better than you because of the geographic location I was born at" episode. Please tell me more about how you are so great because things happened in the past that had nothing to do with you

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>>52207110
>>52207462
Guys, get back on topic. Worldbuilding, not political fighting. Has anyone ever actually won a political argument online?

>>52214955
The problem is the remove kebab part.
All in all, there's a lot more arabs than there were jews back then. So imagine, even if we did, by some miracle to remove them, Europe would probably go like a guilt trip like Germany, because you don't purge a chunk of your population like that, without collateral damage. The EU would be ruined, we'd get buttfucked by the US or Russia.