Warhammer 40,000 General

First for the Dark Kin

First for Tyranids

not first, for myself

>>52205968
9th edition will come and go.

Sisters of Battle will have the same models and copy pasted rules.

Fucking squat the faction and ends its suffering

>>52205968
Sororitas already had a Triumvirate release though?
And outside of lacking AP2 it was pretty good, too.

>>52205968
Ghaz and swarmlord will get redone when the story moves to the octarius war, see how they both end up

>>52206002
No they didn't

What's a standard, safe setup for my Crisis suits? Been out of the game since 2007. Also, Fire Warrior strike teams or breachers?

>>52205968
first for orks!

>>52206039
Classic l2

>>52206039
>I2

Hey ya'll
New to Kill Team and wanting to play the Tyranids

i brought some Hormagaunts, what are some other units that might compliment these? I have also been looking in to getting some Venomthrope

>>52206013
>wat is celestine
>no really wat is she, is she a mutant or something?

>>52205978
>>52205983
Should've taken lash whips today, bug brother, the DEldar got the drop on you.

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First for drugs

>>52206052
You know I never considered the Venomthrope for Kill Team but it might actually be decent there?

Anyway I posted some suggestions in the last thread for you.

>>52206019
Double missile pod is the safest option. 4xs7 ap4 shots from 36'' range is generally good option for all-around suit. Fireknife is still good, plasma+missile pod gives tools for everything and still maintains goodish range. Double CIB, double fusion blaster and double flamer/burst cannon are all good if you do deepstrikes.
Smartest setup is to magnetize everything.

>>52206019
safest set up is 2x plasma rifle or 2x missile pod. just magnatize them so you can pick and choose.

and i personally prefer breachers but it really depends on how you play. breachers need a fish to drive them around. regular fire warriors dont.

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>>52205990
>Fucking squat the faction and ends its suffering

I like this meme. It was a thing before the release of the Saint and Veridyan. People were looking forward to their plastic SoB armies. Now, it's back to despair. We've come full circle.

Kindly no Gathering Storm. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

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I'd use the web list builder but they don't have the gunship; how bad is my list?

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r8 and/or critique

>>52206058
No idea, but rules wise she fucks over SoB.

>>52206112
To be fair only non SoB players thought otherwise. We all know out last chance to get plastic models was before the WD codex.

Fucking Custodes and SoS got models and a codex before SoB.

>>52206122
Great meme

>>52206112
Why collect SoB. When GW gave you plastic SOS.

Their Power Armoured Human Females, hates Psykers, love Boltgun, and have an unhealthy obsession with Flamers.

Literally the same thing. Except their plastic and not from the 90s

>>52206019

Breachers need to be played aggressively. They seriously need a devilfish. They can also be good in hunter contingent where you disembark the drones with them and shoot the drones, the fish and the breachers at same target for +1 ballistic skill.

Breachers are more fun too in my opinion.

>>52206302
Because I already have a SoB army and wish to expand my SoB collection?

Anyway just make your own, kitbash or recast. At least recaster sell the non melted face gunner for the Exorcist unlike GW.

>>52206019
I like dual melta suits, but my friend is a weirdo who spans Land Raiders. Broadsides fulfill all my S7 AP 4 needs

>>52206019
>>52206324
Second this.

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is this viable

>>52206365
Yes

>>52206175
Plastic sisters have been officially hinted at, and besides, there's no way GW is going to drop their major female line in this climate of delicate emotions we're currently in.

Really, if they dropped SoB, the Empire would only have armies where male units vastly outnumber female units (If you even field them) both in variety and deployed unit numbers.

SoB is GWs get out of social justice jail card, can't call them sexist when woman have their own faction.

>>52206408
Anon love, plastic Sisters have been hinted and totally true since Witch Hunters.

>>52206394
but it's alot worse than this right, with lack of psykers aside from Be'lakor
>>52206141

>>52206408
There are less SoB than Space Marines canonically.

>can't call them sexist when women have their own faction
Sisters of Silence.

>>52206408
You misheard the Plastic Sisters rumor.
You thought Plastic Sisters = SOB.
Plastic Sisters = introduction of Sisters of Silence who fulfill the whole "all female army" trump card that SoB do.

No need for nuns with guns when you have top knotted mutes.

>>52206425
>Top knotted mutes

Is that some facial abuse reference?

>>52206408
>muh social justice will save sisters!
I really feel sorry for sisterfags.

No matter how many times they're disappointed they never give up hope for something that will never come.

>>52206019
>What's a standard, safe setup for my Crisis suits?

Twin-linked Fusion Blasters and an Advanced Targeting System. Lets you take out tough vehicles (which are actually a challenge now that your heavy slots aren't going to be full of railguns) and murder low-level characters.

>Also, Fire Warrior strike teams or breachers?

Breachers. They actually stand a chance of forcing their way onto an occupied objective and are harder to dislodge with assault units, which is what you want from troops. Kroot do striker teams' job better.

>>52206006
Doubt that we're going to get much more of the Octarius war than we have already (no Imperial involvement means it isn't part of the main plot) and they aren't going to re-do the swarmlord, since he's already plastic.

I think the best hope for orks at this point is specialist games. Shadow War might have a completely different balance to normal 40k and there's got to be at least some possibility of a Gorkamorka successor which could give us new buggies (as Hastings rumoured a while ago).

>>52206437
No?
>Was referencing that the SOS have top knots and are mute.

>>52206422
The one kit you have to buy a boxed game to get, that makes one of like three unit types to support your patriarchal all male chapter. Yeah nah

>>52206336
Aren't SoB and SoS the same thing for all intents and purposes, like Skitarii/Cult Mechanicus?

>>52206456
Get with the times old man. They're releasing all of Burning of Prospero's sprues as stand alone boxes either this week or next.

:^)

>>52206442
I guess we're just big on faith.

>>52205842

Back on this Grav thingy.
I'm playing DA, not planning to ally, and facing Tau/Eldar cheese. I want to play Lion's blade and i have a complete company already set. I don't want to buy 4 boxes of devastators. Where can i find these Grav canons ?

>>52206456
Considering that FW is making more of them as their own army with special characters, units, and vehicles, I dunno anon.

>>52206460
The difference between them is more like Custodes and Guard or Scions (fluffwise)

>SOS founded by the Emperor to be his battle harem / witchhunters

>SOB founded as a loophole so the Church could keep their armies (they're not aloud any MEN-at-arms)

>>52206453
SOS aren't mute, they just swear to stop ever uttering another sound and keep their promises.

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>>52205968

Why don't IG have grav weapons? I want my vets with 3 gravs now!

>>52206078
is magnetising crisis suits hard? im about to pickup a start collecting set and the crisis suits arms and weapons look a bit small for magnets to hold them on really well, am i mistaken because ive ony seen from videos but none of them show if the guns fall off everytime you knock them against another model or if theyre sturdy

>>52206497
Dakka Pask anyone ?

I have a shit ton of SoB metal on my fucking desk that I paid out the arse for, if they squat my fucking faction, after they shoved my fucking Templars into codex SM I am going to lose me shit. I'm going to send the angriest email of my life, and then I'm going to spend maybe a day or so in rumination before I get over it just start collecting Tau.

>>52206497
Same reason they don't have Rhino's and Land Raiders : production is so low and maintanence so complicated that it is impossible to have grav-weapons in sufficient numbers to equip the truste Imperial Guard with them.

If you don't like that explanation then it is because GW really likes to cockblock you, and you specifically

>I really would have liked a hard cap on the number of grav-weapons one can have in an army, they're suppose to be even more rare than plasma weapons for crying out loud.

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CHOOSE
YOUR
CHARACTER

>>52206537
They aren't, not with Celestine being part of Gathering Storm.

>>52206541
>Rhino's
They dont use rhinos because chimeras are superior.
Rhinos are designed to be cheap as shit, easy to build and easy to maintain so space marines will be able to maintain a number of them even when cut off from supply lines.

>>52206006
Seems like the story may be moving back to Armageddon in the near future:
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/15/armageddon-officially-the-best-place-to-die/
So ol' Ghazzy may be getting some spotlight.

>This Third War for Armageddon is, of course, not the first time the planet has provided such excellent opportunities for martyrdom. The annals of Imperial history also record the epic victory of the Second War for Armageddon, for example. These are the only wars that have ever taken place here.
Kek.

>>52206537
But anon, everybody is going to be squatted for Age of the Emperor. The only thing that will remain is hot, sweaty, greasy, not!sigmarine on not!sigmarine action in an NobleBright setting where it is chaos barely holding on.

>>52206484
Are you OK with third-party bits?

http://bitsofwar.com/home/445-legionary-gravity-cannons.html

Prisoner obviously. How else am I to start the violent gang rape group? First i'd offer my own hole as a release for the lads then after a few weeks warm them up to the idea of taking turns. Eventually the guards are going to get jealous of our hole stretching sessions and willingly submit to our group. One by one they will be corrupted and have their holes violated until everyone has joined.

There will be no division, no hate, no pain.
Only the holes and filling them will matter.

And they shall be led by me, The Great Gape Anon the First.
I shall lead their minds into the light of pleasure and their shafts into holes of dark.

Can a bike champ replace his combi-bolter with a combi-weapon? 2 of the other bikers can do it with a special weapon, but I wasn't sure about the champ.

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>>52206568
Doubt it, it's more likely for the Necromunda successor game.

>>52206586
Fucking hell, wrong thread sorry guys.

>>52206568
New not manlet Angron maybe?

>>52206586
I have several questions

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>>52206586
>>52206595

>>52206549
Orks, because at least they know how to have a larf.

>tfw people think Orks are the comedy faction, but then you tell them that Ork humour also includes torturing others, the grisly unfortunate demise of fellows or enemies, and that their diet also inludes things other than squigs, like humans for example. And they also dabble in slavery using other races. Welcome to the 'comedy race' of the grimdark.

>>52206594
Oh yeah, forgot about that.
>I am silly

>>52206586
Don't want to know.

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>>52206586

Penal Legions back when? Led by the Great Gape Anon the First

>>52206594
You never know
Overkill saw the release of two separate codices after all

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I've seen a lot of people saying that the use of older kits in the new boxed games is to clear out the stock before releasing new models. Especially with the space marine scouts in Lost Patrol and this new game.

Is there any evidence that this is how GW actually do things? Have they ever 'cleared out' old stock just before releasing a new kit in the past? Or is it just wishful thinking from people tired of the ugly scout models?

>>52206685
>Is there any evidence that this is how GW actually do things?
no

>>52206494
Non speaking women would trigger SJW so hard.

>>52206460
Nah not even close, the difference is that SoS are anti Psyker weapons. While SoB are the Churche self police force. KGB if you want, they are under the Soviet Union control (church) but still police the internal health of said government and are rather independent of them.

Why the fuck the anti Psyker weapons are only women? We have no idea if you want techno bla bla. Maybe the blank/pariah/null (those are different things by the way but GW forgot ) is stronger in women, but then again Culexus are male and female. So no idea

>>52206685
It's doomsayers being doomsayers

>>52206706
>Why the fuck the anti Psyker weapons are only women?

I'm guessing that at some point, someone was intending to breed more pariahs. So they kept a bunch of female ones fairly unmodified and used the males for converting into weapons.

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>>52206529
It depends how you wanna do it. It can be really simple to somewhat tasking. My solution was as fast and practical as possible, as my crisis suits were really old and they were painted like 8 years ago by really poor standards of younger me. You could embed the magnet inside the arm/shoulder if you have the tools and patience.

>>52206685
No it's using older moulds so they don't have to invest as much whilst still selling stuff

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How is this for a DG AC hacvoc?

Considering whether to spring for FW conversion kit and guns.

>>52206714

'GW will release good scout models soon' isn't exactly what I would call 'doomsaying'.

Regarding the new game, it seems that it's based on 40k second edition and the last necromunda rules-set. Does anyone remember what the balance was like in those? All I recall about 2nd ed was that all the art and paint jobs went downhill and tooled-up characters were a bit nasty.

>>52206734
On a side note, are SoS, pariahs, Null or Blanks?

I know the terms are different and have different levels and ways to affect warp crap.

CSM question (works for classic SM aswell actually)
What's the best loadout for my Havocs ?
I want to use them as threat management. I often play against people who bring some big shit and I actually often fins myself unable to take care of it
>Land Raiders (Redeemer is my bane), Broadsides, Massed Tau infantry waiting for me to die running to them, Leman Russes

I usually run lascannons, but I kinda feel it's unreliable. It works wonders against one or two big vehicles, but it's shit against the rest, and doesn't output enough shots imo.
Would ML be better ? Would Autocannons be ?

Other stuff I have filling the same role in my list are a plasma cannon helbrute that I always make stand beside them (people at my stores often play deepstriking termies, so this is the best protection I found) and 2 squands of 3 bikes with 2 meltas.

I also have access to divination through an allied herald of tzeentch that I plan on deploying aside helbrute+havocs

Has anyone got any advice on what to do ?

tl;dr what's the best loadout for a havoc squad which is the only real ranged support in it's army, knowing that I have access to divination

>>52206437
Are you an idiot?

Whats the minimum point requirement in a game for me to be able to field an Imperial Knight without being a cunt?

>>52206756
Looks good to me. Autocannon barrels could also be done with a couple of pieces of styrene tube. I think evergreen make suitable ones.

Wouldn't bother with FW autocannons. Anything with a long barrel made from resin is going to be a serious pain.

>>52206735
>>52206529
Oh yeah and the magnets I use are 5 mm diameter, 0,8 mm thick rare earth magnets, and I got 40 of them for 5€. Whatever they are in burger units.

>>52206706
>Why the fuck the anti Psyker weapons are only women?
At least mute women won't talk about big E's power maul.

>>52206675
With two unique factions.

They even announced its a mode like Kill Team, but with postgame activities similar to Necromunda.

>Combat Patrol didn't give us new BA / GSC codexes.

>>52206794
1500

>>52206706
>Non speaking women would trigger SJW so hard

SJW are always triggered as soon as one of their subjects is invovled.

40k lore has plenty of example of women in positions of power and influence, from commisars and IG officers to goddamn Inquisitors that have the authority to exterminatus a planet because a servant native to that planet spilled their tea. There even are chicks in power armour, I mean what more is needed ?

Political Correctness has become a meaningless concept, thanks to people who get triggered even when something is furthering their cause, but just are to blind and angry to notice it.

>>52206756
Nawh looks great Id know right away that was an autocanon. Looks way better than the autocannons Ive made, be proud of it.

>>52206112
>>52205990
>>52206175
>>52206336
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52206798
Well I've loads of ork Big shootas in my bin so figure'd id put them to use, biggest concern is that the CSM box only comes with a few "normal" helmets, the rest are the doublehorn variety that don't really mesh well with DG style "Pickelhaube".

>>52206814
Oh I know people supporting political correctness for political correctness sake are a bunch of idiots.

The Imperiums are the least racist or sexist thing in fictition. Everyone get dick over!
You get an exterminatus! He gets an exterminatus! She gets an exterminatus! Everyone gets an exterminatus and a free Las bolt to the forehead!

>>52205968

40k is dead guys. Only hard reset can save it.

In my city from 50-100 players there are only 20 something left.

Even one guy that spent a fuckton of time and money on his sisters of battle army is quitting the game.

Other systems have better rules and models are of comperable quality.

Abandon ship while you still can.

Why the fuck are Custodes in 40k I4 instead of 5?
10000 years of Guard Duty made them slower than Sisters of Silence?

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>tfw turn 1 maulerfiend charge
Traitor Legions is the best thing that happened to CSM since 3rd ed.

Now I don't really have much knowledge of the game past 5th edition, but I'm surprised there still isn't really good support for melee Ork boyz.

Would it benefit for Nobz to have a Once-per-game ability? Maybe something like a warshout giving Boyz in the unit Fleet, Armor as Invul save and Initiative 4 or something like that?

>>52206865
>Even one guy that spent a fuckton of time and money on his sisters of battle army is quitting the game.
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52206774
Lascannons are better than missile launchers. Autocannons are more reliable because more shots means less variation from the average, but against really tough targets they can struggle. I'd probably go with autocannon and leave tough targets to short-ranged, quick moving units. No long-ranged weapon you have is going to go through AV 14 reliably.

Divination doesn't really change things; some powers work better with some weapons, but the primaris affects them all equally and you don't know what else you are going to get.

>>52206794
>Whats the minimum point requirement in a game for me to be able to field an Imperial Knight without being a cunt?

1,500.

Does a formation like sternhammer confer improved bolter drill to dedicated transports like rhinos?

>>52206870

Does it matter? The 40K Custodes rules are so lazily slapped together I doubt anyone would complain at all if you just asked if you could play their full army list instead.

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>>52206425
I'm not a sister's player, so I don't much care for them
What I DO care about is people spreading misinformation.

He specifically says sisters of battle.
https://youtu.be/xYIcNxlqdE8?t=108

People always forget this and abbreviate the quote to just say sisters, so shit posters like you come along and say "NUH-UH, he said sisters so that could mean sisters of silence!"

I do accept that they could have just referred to new Celestine, but I also kind of doubt that too.

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>muh adamantium teeth!
>Ap-

>>52205990
>>52206112
>>52206175

I want real plastic SoB, not SoS, as bad as any other sisters fan boy. But I can't but feel just end it already.

>>52206408

This is literally the only reason why they are kept at this point.

>>52206933
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52206766
Yeah, the way close combat worked meant that a model with really high WS was actually difficult to hit in CC. Those were the days.

>>52206794
1500pts and even that is a little bit eeeeh.

1850pts do whatever you want.

>>52206916
Yeah, no one except for the Taudar player who says Forgeworld is unfair.
He literally said he thinks the Stompa costs so much to balance out how cheap the other Ork units are for what they bring, and in turn the Wraithknight has to be cheap to compensate for the expensive units of the Eldar
Not that playing him was worth it, last time i played he brought 250pts extra

>>52206892

he is a hobbyist first player second. You should see his army every model is an art piece in its own right.

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>>52206774
This is the optimal way to run them

Why do people like AdMech? They're the lamest faction in the game, every single model looks exactly the same.

>>52206979
Nice rhyming for a baiter, but we all know this pasta

>>52206611
wait, why the fuck is he holding a pistol? I thought only marksman had those?

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>>52206928
>they're actually quoting that video again
Fucking kek we really have come full circle. How can Sistersfags be this naive? That video was a fucking JOKE and always has been, if not a reference to Celestine.

>>52206964
In a perfect world you can fit a skyshield landing pad in that list for your rapier lasers.

>>52206964
Also put an auxiliary spawn I don't know where it went in that list

Opinions on atlas recovery tank? I want to convert and magnetize crane tower on leman. Plan is to hide 2 engineers behind him, that's 4 hull points restored per turn. I can make baneblade or knight invincible.

>>52206979
Admech is a safe imperial faction for tauaboos in denial.

>>52207010
The Strike/Beacher boxes came with one for the Shas'ui but...yeah, its not even in their wargear. Because fuck WYSIWYG, I guess.

>>52206865
THE NEW EDITION WILL SAVE US ALL!

>>52206809
>>52206911
>>52206951
Hell yeah! Time to build my army some more

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Sorry anons trying to do an essay for my shitty English teacher before class but I'll try my best to get through my batrep in a reasonable amount of time. We did Maelstrom for the game and it was the mission with diagonal deployment and where you start with six cards and count down. Apparently all they had on them combined was four Knights,Tigurius, Guilliman,the Emperor's Champion and a few squads of Tactical Marines with drop pods. Against my pro painted 3000 pts of Guard. Decided to bunker down with my two giant walls of meatshields surrounding my parking lot. Kept my first turn advantage and managed to kill some Scouts with my Wyvern to bring me up to four points at the start. And caused a few hull points to a Knight as well

>>52206302
>Literally the same thing
Except they have only one unit and one dildo-tank

>>52206806
You never know with new gw, they'll do anything for hype

>>52207070
>he doesn't know

>>52207080
You mean SoS codex?

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How much is this gonna fuck me over?

I just want to drive my dudes up the table reliably. Was thinking of maybe using a Chaplain with the Armor Indomitus, then I remembered that it is ridiculously overcosted for what it does and figured I might as well just use a blank Grimaldus if I'm already willing to spend that much on an HQ. Why the fuck does the Chapter's Reclusiarch and High Chaplain not have Artificer Armor anyway?

>>52207065
>pro-painted

Evidence besides your say-so? An ass-view of two spray-painted tanks doesn't exactly scream ProPainter.

>>52207062
What knight were you going to use? I'd suggest the crusader with rapid fire battle cannon and avenger gatling cannon or a cerastus variant like the acheron

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>>52207108

>>52207108
He's being sarcastic, retard. No pro painter would actually describe their models as pro painted.

>>52207112
>recommending the Acheron ever
>especially to someone who wants to avoid being WAAC

>>52207105
You have no psykers at 1850.

Look at your list and look at some the others at your point level. It doesn't really stand a chance

>>52207130
>Psykers
>Black Templars
Almost like they're bottom of the barrel or something.

>>52207010
I think it's a markerlight.

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>>52206586

>>52207130
black templars cant have psykers.

>>52207130
>No Psykers
>Running Black Templars.
Gee I wonder why.

>>52207125
>Y-you can take a knight, b-but not a good one!

>>52207157
>>52207153
not an excuse unless you care about fluff

anyone can take coteaz for 100pts

>>52207153
>>52207157
Ally psykers like everyone else?

>>52206912
Tanks usually don't have chapter tactics. Also read a fucking book.

>>52206979
Because I wanna play Imperium and IG look like shit while Marines are for children, you gay nigger

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>>52207108
>>52207065
Here's the other side. And it was sarcasm I suck at painting but I hate having unpainted shit.

>>52207179
why even play 40k if you dont care about fluff

>>52207031
pls respond

>>52207187
>>52207032
>replying to pasta this old

>>52207195
>>52207031
its not a terrible idea. it will probably die but its not like the atlas tank is super expensive.

>>52207179
>Not caring about the fluff
If it wasn't for the Gothic Aesthetics, Sci-Fantasy grimdarkness, and some good fluff, I'd be playing Infinity instead of this unbalanced trash game.

I just like my setting of Daemons and Spess Mehreens and Terminator Robots and space clowns.

Ok we have a necromunda styled game coming out and even stuff like the custodes got models. Where are my Adeptus Arbites miniatures?

>>52207194
It's a good Cool Story Generator, and also it's a game you can actually play. It doesn't matter how good your ruleset is; if nobody around plays the game, all you have is a bunch of weird storybooks.

>>52207179
>not an excuse unless you care about fluff
What are you even doing here, faggot?

>>52207223
Nobody would even buy those, and anyone who would already made a bunch of conversions at this point

>Gorkanauts and Morkanauts not Heavy Walkers
Why the fuck?

>>52207217
Can i give power of the machine spirit and then repair vehicle using atlas rule?

>>52207205
I just wanted to say a swear on the internet

>>52205968
Thank fucking god someone started uploading all the PDFs again instead of those retarded fucking epubs.

>>52207247
Fluff faggots need to go
They need to go from my LGS
They need to stop taking up tables sloppily shifting the worst units in their codex around poorly set up cover
They need to stop getting mad when they lose even fluffy games

>>52207292
>being this buttblasted over people playing the game differently from you
>being this buttblasted over playing the way it was intended to be played
Treating 40k as a serious competitive game is as retarded as treating UNO as a competitive card game.

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>Select from:
>hand-to-hand weapons list
>pistols list
>basic weapons list
>ammunition list
>grenades list
>miscellaneous equipment list
>all FOR A BASIC DUDE
Hnnng. Shadow War: Armageddon? Armageddin hype.

>>52207179
>>52207182
He's running Black Templar with Land Raiders. I don't think he's aiming for winning Tournaments

>Also, one PM2 at 1850? Nice waste of points as any Psyker army shuts down your entire phase.

>>52207316
>Heavy Weapons dude
>10 points
>New Recruit with less leadership
>50 points
wat

>>52207310
>game has rules and and win conditions
>"Stop trying to play by the rules and win! Now I'll just charge out of this rhino because it's how this game was intended to be played

>>52207330
Either misprint or upgrade to unit.

>>52207259
Came out in 7e. Not 7.5e aka the Decursion half of 7e.

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>>52207191
I love this shot. But drop pod came in Marines went blam and took two models off my Lascannon weapons team. I had smoke launchers on my Russes so only one hullpoint on my Demolisher after all the shooting. Not much happened. It was now 4-4.

>>52207330
I assume the heavy weapons cost loadsa points. Slightly odd way of doing it though if so. And if this is based on necromunda, I'm pretty sure there was a limit on how many heavies you could take, so you can't just spam 10 point dudes.

>>52207292
I'll give you the last point about getting mad at losing.

If we took into account the rest of your shitty post, it would be Riptides vs. Wraithknight: The Game now with some Gravspam Mehreens!

>>52207342
> Half
More like 9/10 at this point.

>>52207310
this
>>52207332
I make it a point to watch these idiots play games for a few turns and count the mistakes in rules that they make. Turns out when you care more about the fluff than winning you know less about the rules and how to generally be good at the game

>>52207345

what happened to the tank hatches?

>>52207332
>dungeons and dragons has win conditions, therefor it must be a competative game

You are such a sad person ... Do you consider suicide often ? Because it seems a good option in your situation :^)

>>52206586
Go on...

>>52207292
Fluff is the entire reason anyone plays this game you retard. The rules are a clusterfuck and a joke and it's literally worthless as a "competitive" game, it's a narrative hobby game about making your guys your own, converting them and painting them and then creating stories with them alongside another player.

You're the one who needs to get the fuck out of the LGS.

>>52207332
There's a difference between playing your army in a way it's intended to be played while abiding the rules and being a retarded WAAC-fag.

40k is just as random, if not more random, than fucking Hearthstone. You can play your tactics and plans perfectly, just to be completely fucked over because you rolled a shitload of 1s when you had a 2+ save and lose loads of points to shit like a single Ork Boyz unit. Any game where your prepared tactic can be utterly destroyed by a single die roll will never be a serious competitive game to me.

>post casual Black Templars list to play against my butt-buddies
>WAACfags ruin the whole thread
>don't even get any reasonable feedback
God fucking dammit.

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>>52207345

>>52207403
Exactly.

I can't imagine buying, assembling, painting and basing a unit of something just because they are good in the game. There is something really sad about people doing that.

I'm going to take a Neural Node in an upcoming game and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>52207373
Gravspam is a trap in this day and age, though? It will tear through newbie armies without any question, but anyone worth a goddamn will either be too fast for Grav's limited range to catch or will have enough light armour in his units to ignore it.

Dogstar's where that shit's at right now. 40 fenrisian wolves with attached ICs, and enough ObSec in the back to hold objectives while they're done.

Besides, most people have traded out their Wraithknights for more other good units. Those corsairs jetbikes, warp spiders, etc...The wraithknight looks unbeatable, but it's not as unbeatable as a good combination of arms.

Basically what I'm saying is you don't know shit about the competitive scene and need to shut your goddamn mouth.

>>52207330
Well in Necromunda heavies were hard capped at 2 per gang. So there's that.

>>52206685
Well this question can be answered with common sense.

A. They over produced and want to push their old lines before the new ones are released
B. They're using the exact same mould to save money and these old looking models are actually new
C. They did a very small run of an old line to see how well it sells and will use this information to determine their next move

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>>52207412

>asking for feedback on a casual list

??????????????????

>>52207396
>dungeons and dragons has win conditions
No it doesn't, though?
>>52207412
And flufff-fags. It looked like you were on the road to reasonable feedback before the 'how dare you play seriously' shitstorm started.

>>52207332
>>game has rules and and win conditions
>which vary entirely based on the scenario you use, which you can write yourself with the opponent
>rulebook is littered with sections on how to ignore the rules when you don't feel like they contribute to the narrative experience
I supposed DMs should also always stick with the exact written rules and settings in their RPG guides and not ever come up with anything themselves either?

I honestly don't understand how unimaginative people like you make it through life.

>>52206882
I did that shit with TWO maulerfiends 2 games ago. Against Black Templars.

Smoking wreckage graveyard. It was fucking glorious, anyone who says CSM ain't fun now has their opinion discarded at the speed of light. Competitively not too bad neither.

>>52207403
>The rules are a clusterfuck so I don't need to learn them and better myself as a tactician
I could give you a WAAC Tau list and I would cock slap you with a worse list. If you'd actually play the game to your potential you would realize even the sharpest sword is dull in the hands of a simpleton.

>>52207249
I mean i would and i haven't made customs yet

>>52207439
If I wanted an RPG I'd go back to Shadowrun. This is a tabletop wargame. It's competitive, not cooperative, and the rules are there to make sure both competing players are on the same page for how the game works, and know what they're getting into.

>>52206794
1500-2000 points. I don't personally field mine below 2k points for two reasons.

Noob/casual players don't like them and might not have a good time.
Good players will focus them and take them out quickly, thus crippling your army. If you lose a knight crusader in a 1500 point game, that's basically 1/3 of your army gone

>>52207422
>Competitive Scene
>Warhammer 40k
You're as sad as Smash players who want Super Smash Bros to be considered a serious competitive fighting game.

Or people who want competitive EDH tournaments to be real.

>>52207439
Don't worry, you can forge your narrative of why and how YOUR DUDES got stomped by my 5 wraithknights again :^)

>>52207436
Well, yes. I still want to be able to follow my game plan and not just be shut down immediately. Winning is secondary so having fun is primarily the goal and won't really have a lot of that if I get shut down ASAP.

>>52207438
People were pointing out that running Psykers in Black Templars is pointless since, at that point, you might as well not play Black Templars since you'll need more than just 1 random Psyker tossed in to even be worth using Psykers and running a whole Conclave sucks up so many points from the Templars that there'd be such large cuts in the core army that running them is pointless anyway.

>>52207179
No they literally can't take psykers still. It states in the codex no librarians allowed. If anon doesn't have imp agents codex he wouldn't bother using any of those units either

>>52207464
>implying I don't know the rules better than you, which is exactly why I understand that it's a shit competitive game intended for narrative-driven fun
I've been playing this game a lot longer than you have. I'd send you packing any fucking day. That doesn't mean the game is designed for that or any good for that. You're not skilled because you can win at warhammer fucking 40k, you sad, attention starved loser.

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>>52207414
I deep struck Scions in turn two. One Scion group got a mishap and died like faggots. The other group plus a bunch of other shooting got a Knight down to two hullpoint. Guilliman absorbed six plasma cannon shoots for no damage. Marines died to battle cannons and were completely wiped them out with some lasguns helping out. 6-4

>>52207501
They can ally another Chapter. It's stupid, but they can.

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>>52207480
He'll forge a narrative on the 40k general when he gets home that night crying about how much he hates competitive players

>>52207504
how do your scions do generally?

a buddy keeps insisting they are trash but i think they are quite solid.

>>52207516
>posts pic of the spitting image of """competitive""" 40k neckbeards
Oh the irony.

>>52207524
They are solid trash.

>>52207491
>People were pointing out that running Psykers in Black Templars is pointless since, at that point, you might as well not play Black Templars since you'll need more than just 1 random Psyker tossed in to even be worth using Psykers and running a whole Conclave sucks up so many points from the Templars that there'd be such large cuts in the core army that running them is pointless anyway.
And then fluff-fags got pissy about how people would dare bring a psyker in a BT army anyway, so both sides agreed on that, they just both are so used to going to the other's throat that they did it out of habit. Shit, I'd say "You'll need more than one psyker tossed in there anyway" is pretty good feedback as is.

>>52207503
You know, there's a guy at my LGS who's been playing since second edition? The other day, he got confused as to if a lasgun was strength 3 or 4. Age doesn't mean shit. Devotion does. The fact that you're still here means you're fairly devoted, but don't wave age around like a flag.
>>52207530
Competitive players tend to be thinner than their casual counterparts in 40k, in my experience. They need to have an active enough life to not just support purchases (which autismbux can cover) but hotels and transportation as well, which usually means real jobs. Also as stupid as it sounds, standing and bending and kneeling for LoS and measurement for 12+ hours at a go is enough exercise to keep you from THAT kind of weight.

>>52207503
I assume you've been playing for a couple decades as I have so you have no way to argue my point. I never said 40k is a good game system. I'm still holding out hope that it gets better. Saying you don't need to actually try because it has it's flaws like any other game system is asinine.
>sad, attention starved loser
Cuts deep man, it's like you really know me

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>>52207504
>>52207524
They do pretty good as suicide units. And here's a wide shot of the table.

>>52207524
Deep Striking Suicidal Meltas: the Army

Tho the CoI army might be good. Your dudes respawn on a 5+ and gives you more HQ slots. Just take an Inquisitor to fulfill the two faction requirements

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>>52207501
Fact remains that anyone can take inquisitors these days if they want Divination.

Custodes box comes out this weekend, right?

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Why is it so easy to start shitstorms in /40kg/? Even /v/ isn't this autistic.

>>52207396
Dungeons and Dragons has a game master whose purpose is to provide something for the players to compete against. Try again, shitposter.

>>52207591
Honestly BTanon is better off taking Priests from IA than Psykers.

Guaranteed Hatred, potential Reroll Saves in CC or Reroll Wounds

Fluffy as fuck.

>>52207624
gold rhinos actually looks pretty good.

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>>52207620
Because we don't want a shitstorm. We want to earnestly and honestly discuss our hobbies. We aren't here for /v/-style arguments, and so we have them more often because we take people seriously.

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Haven't played since 5e and want to get back into it, how does this list look and where should I spend the leftover points/change current shit for 1850?

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>>52207624

>that drop pod well within 1" of a dozen units

>>52207663
>Magnus the Fabulous

>>52207667
Still looks like it's 1" away from those Rhinos since doors don't count.

>>52207667
they probably dont count the doors as the model.

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>>52207641

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>>52207662
Drop the tacticals down to scouts. It's not worth it in a CAD.
>>52207667
We measure from the doors while it's closed, and then open them, because we're fucktarded around here and I can't convince anyone to do otherwise. From that point, it was outside of an inch of everyone. i was surprised too.

The guy is notorious for Drop Pods in strange places.

>>52206586
>>52206595

No, no, no, please continue.

>>52207684
As per FAQ doors do not count

>>52207662
You need 1-3 elites for your INQ detachment

Hey blondie I'm see you in java class

>>52207579
You are a magnificent bastard GGA. This hobby needs more heroes like you.

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>>52207641
There are days I regret picking the Celestial Lions as my army. Then, there are days where I drop a full Battle Company on the table.

Also, that Retributor Armour spray works wonders.

>>52207726
Not as of Imperial Agents you don't.

>>52207733
>optional
You're right

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Gonna repaint my World Eaters that I haven't used in years. I have everything other than the chosen, the lord, and the bikers.
Not looking for in-depth analysis, just wanna know if there is a glaring error with this list. I'm really not good/competitive; I just play casual games wit my friends' Necrons, Tau, Ultramarines, and Guard.

>>52207733
>Retribution Armour spray costs $40 CAD
>Black primer is $5 at Walmart
Holy shit. Time to paint my god damn Custodes over a black base.

>>52207761
It's a legal list? There's a lot of fine tuning you could do, but you said you wouldn't want that. I'd suggest splitting the bikes up into two groups, for more access to grenade throwing, though. Don't underestimate frag grenades as a shooting weapon - I've seen one chunk a wound off of abbadon.
>>52207773
Yeah, I'm just a lazy sod. It looks good, though.

>>52207421
>the formation so bad it's not even on the list builder

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>>52207579
Other anon posting game pics I am proud.

So one Demolisher gets Demolished by two melta cannon shots. And another drop pod magically appeared. Guilliman charged and sweeping advanced some veterans. A Knight tried charging some other veterans and got done to one HP. Two other Knights charged the Guardsman.

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>>52207810
Thanks. They're pics a friend of mine took, of his BA successor the "Avenging Angels". The only things here that he's borrowing are the three drop pods to the left.

I'm not much of a pic-taker, but he's so proud of his dudes.

>>52207330
Either it's an upgrade or we're still paying 400 points for one lascannon.

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>>52207810

>>52207797
What real women want.

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anyone here play against/with Cawl yet? thinking of picking him up for my ad mech. is he good?

>>52207881

apparently he's quite good

>>52207881
Why is he stepping on that tome
My god what shitty models GW is releasing

>>52207840
It must be a misprint. They're not forced to take heavy weapons so you could just get a better unit than the Recruit for 40 points less, then give them a normal weapon.

>ordered the Harlequin codex
>suddenly get the urge to get the other codices
>purchased Craftsworld, Dark Eldar, their supplement and the Biel-tan campain book.

Shit...

>>52206756
Looks good. That said, 11 pounds for five guns and backpacks isn't all that expensive.

Swarmlord is not shit, he's cool

C O O L

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>>52207907

>wasting money on books you can get for free here instead of buying models

>>52207897
That single detail invalidates the rest of that amazing model?

>>52207924
Nids are shit.

>tfw want to expand my Sisters of Battle Army but don't know what to buy
>Melta sisters are out of stock so can't even have a second Dominion squad

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Anyone know what this backpack is from?

>>52207840
>implying you're going to be able to get a lascannon
Heavy stubber more like, heavy bolted at best and woe betide you if you want a plasma cannon.

>>52207941
>gw once again doesn't understand the demand for SoB

>>52207897
The designers joke about that in the youtube interview actually. They're fully aware it's not practical.

>>52207924
Nid player here. Swarmlord is a dumb idea and he's a shit unit in game.

>>52207897
To quote the designers: "It's just non-sensical, really. And that's just 40k."

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>>52207853
Also score was like 6-8 with them in the lead by this time. I killed the rest of the Tac Marines on the field but was a little pissed off because the Knights were making most of their saves. But invulnerable Guardsmen made up for it only losing a few models to the Knights and managed to get one down to three hull points with a lucky melta bomb. 7-8

>>52207930
>you can get here
Stop bullshitting him

>>52207797
Are those StarCraft Battlecruisers? With 40k Imperial Knights?

>>52207903
Maybe. But from what I remembered from Necromunda you only got a couple Heavies. And having no Heavies was Heavy weapons hurt.

>>52207964

>what are the rules mega

>>52206129
Get cultists. 4+ respawn. If you take lost and the damned will allow you to roll 2d6 4+ and if you succeed both two come back.

>>52207663
>naked Magnus
Sick dark souls reference

>>52207991
They FaQ'd that; you only get one roll now, but it's on a 3+, that's only with the decurion, which I'm not really interested in using.

I've never seen cultists do anything really meaningful on top of that.

>>52207983
>what is fluff to make him give a fuck about his army

Can I just straight up shoot one of my own units? If not, do I have to roll for saves or can I pass and just take a wound?

>>52208034
No, and no.

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>>52207962
I also killed a drop pod with some melta vets. On there turn they pretty much did nothing in shooting. Battle cannon Knight did nothing attacking my Executioners. Guilliman killed one guy from my Platoon Command squad and a stormbolter from a Drop Pod killed my remaining heavy weapons guy. Moving on to combat,Guilliman killed PCS,two Knights disengaged from the Guard blob and Knight in pic related got btfo by a Priest with a melta bomb and exploded. 9-7

>>52208031

Everything I downloaded from the mega comes with the fluff

>>52207950
SoB constantly running out of stock!

Quick make another marine codex!

>I could have just downloaded it for free
Oh well. At least the books look nice.

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>>52208079

>>52207950
I could easily make a list with two huge blobs of sisters just walking over the table but the thing is I'd also like to win some times.
I've got 150 euros to use on 40k but I don't know what to buy.

>>52208079
FWIW I find a physical book to be much nicer for in game reference. I try to get the book for any faction I plan to play or use as allies.

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Do people really prefer the GW born shit bird in comparison to the FW variant?
I'm tempted to buy two recasts and attach the second head on the better casted body for the amount that I'd pay for the GW one.

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>>52208071
H-hey GW, while you're at it, what stops you from using plastic instead of Citadel Finecast(™) with the same molds?
I am just now supposed to work with some of your high quality resin miniatures and...I have some slight problems with it, compared to plastic.

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>>52208031
What else apart from all this shit would he need?

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>>52208048
Got a Knight down to two HP after they disengaged from combat and the other one down to four with my Demolisher squadron. Other Russes got the other one down to three too. But more importantly I showed those Knights and Guilliman that the Guard aren't bitches and multicharged. Commissar with lucky hits got Guillifag down to four wounds. And a melta bomb got a Knight down to one HP. The game ended there with me claiming a moral victory since they had to leave. So how was the batrep anons? I try to be as entertaining as I can.

anyone have the ref sheet of gangs of comorragh pls?

>>52208112
FW guy has really awful wings, but I prefer the more plain design overall.

>>52207924
Fuck off Crudcunt.

Swarmlord represents everything wrong with modern nids.

He is the face of Cruddace's ruined Tyranids.

>>52207662
With a bunch of pod marines Rowboat won't do much footslogging like that. Even if you use Tigger to throw him places or swap with him, you have to get those lucky rolls.

I really hate how badly Chapter Tactics fucks you up if you don't want to play smurfs.

Can anyone tell me what's the canon status of the Third War for Armageddon? I was pretty sure they retconned its conclusion like with the 13th Black Crusade, but I'm getting conflicting responses as to what's going on.

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>>52208150
They don't look that awful from what I see here
(recast)

>>52208112
I think it's down to personal preference at this point. But I agree the new LoC design doesn't fit Kairos very well specifically. Personally I'm not super interested in getting a giant spindly resin model to use as a game piece though.

Can Rowboat be usd as a LoW in the Castellans of The Imperium detachment? I read that he can be used in any Imperium detachment with a LoW slot

>>52208168
As far as I know, Orks and Imperium fought to a stalemate, conflict is ongoing with no victory in sight.

>>52208182
You've obviously already made your decision. Go for it.

>>52208163
I mean what's stopping rowboat from just walking behind a landraider? Even getting to half the field unscathed is a boon and when the land raider is popped you can have an assault unit inside for atleast some degree of target saturation

>>52208182
I think they're hideous.

>>52208196
That's what I had thought.

Was Ghazkgull leaving with Yarrick, Helbrecht, and Grimaldus in pursuit retconned as well? Or is them leaving the planet still canon?

>>52208195
No, because Castellans' "slots" aren't generic like those of a CAD or similar detachment. You're limited to the named units.

>>52208168
Orks got pushed back into a 'retreat'
Gazzy and Yarrick aren't tsundere for each other
Yarrick is chasing Gazzy with a bunch of Black Templars and Gazzy is pulling together the all da boys fer da biggest WAAAGH! band in history for a good scrap.

Path he's taking puts him en route to that one planet the Inquisiton baited Orks and Tyrannids to fight over so as too beat both sides once attrition wore them down.

Because, as you know, Orks don't get bigger and badder the longer they fight and Tyrannids don't cannibalize the dead on all sides to replenish biomass. There are bound to be GIANT fucking Orks and literally layers of bodies covering the planet to the point of being a living mass of spores and bug parts.

Question
Vulture, Valkyrie or Vendetta for my SoB MSU.

Already running:
Coteaz
Celestine
2x Psyker and 2 Acolyte
4xBBS HF+F Combi-Flamer in Immolators
2xMelta Dominion in Repressors
1x 6 girl Seraphim with 2xPair of FP
2xExorcist

That is about 1680-1700 points more less.

Or drop the fucking flyer and just run double psybolt Chimeras.

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>>52208146

Where can I get Autocannon and Lascannon bitz for Havocs?

>>52208221
I believe that's still canon, because Ghaz definitely left.

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>>52207943
Wolf Scout Sergeant Backpack from ye olden days

>>52206887
Warbosses have Waaagh!!!

>>52208240
THANK U <3

>>52208241
Forgeworld:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Kalibrax-Pattern-Autocannon-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Legion-Autocannon-Set-2015
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Ryza-Pattern-Lascannon-Set
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-SE/Legion-Lascannon-Set

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>>52208225
To be fair the Castellan list thing is not even mentioned in the rules for the formation.

It almost feels like a guidelines but GW FAQ GoSII instead of this thing that actually needed some explantion

>>52208238
>>52208248

Alright, thanks guys.

>>52208238
>Path he's taking puts him en route to that one planet the Inquisiton baited Orks and Tyrannids to fight over so as too beat both sides once attrition wore them down.
It's a whole region of space, not one planet, and the Inquisition didn't do it to wear them out from attrition, they did it to buy time because otherwise Leviathan was going to literally wipe out Terra and eat the Emperor.

Since then it's basically just been this staging point for shitting out new tendrils of Leviathan into space, because Orks from all over come for the fight, a bunch of shit dies, a bunch of shit gets assimilated into the Hive Fleet, Leviathan swells massively, part if it splits off to go seek out new genetic material because Orks all start to taste the same while the rest of it stays to finish the job, more Orks arrive, repeat process.

>>52208203
Man splitting his neck into two heads is going to be a bitch.. Unless if I can finagle the necks to separate from that one stem using greenstuff I'll have to saw both necks down to the stump and attach them with a bit cut out in between so there's no spacing.

>>52208265
Thanks anon.

>>52208163
Plan was to drop tig with the cents and lightning swap with rowboat, but I haven't played in over 10 years so I don't know how reliable it is. (Tig does get rerolls and they can only deny on 6s though).

After swapping tacs for scouts I have about 200 points to play with on better weapons, more ass marines, more libs or whatever.

Can't stick Papa Smurf in any transport so I figured either he's a distraction to draw all their fire or he gets into range as they focus on my alpha strike

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>>52207897
It's an homage to the absurdity and pomp of John Blanche's designs: Cawl only walks atop books that servitors lay before him to visually demonstrate he has mastered knowledge - or something along those lines.

It's absurd and nonsensical and 40k and I love it.

>>52208281
>the units available
Maybe they'll FAQ it to allow him, but RAW you have to ally him in with another detachment.

>>52206887
You can run a formation that literally lets you spam WAAAGH! every turn.

>>52208221
Still canon, as of Waaagh Ghazkgull at least.

>>52208281
>Skitarii Ranger on the page
>can't bring him in a Castellan list
patch this shit Bungie

>>52208212
How? They're realistic.. The new model's wings look far worse in my opinion
and dem raptor talons.. Those small details just do it for me

>>52208310
Blanche loved to depict Sisters with old and blind men it seems. I've never seen a lot less interested being accompanied by an armywide fireball

>>52208303
Reminder that if your distraction unit costs as much as an Imperial Knight, you should probably just take the Knight since it'll soak more fire, straight up ignore small arms fire and poison/T bypassing attacks, has natural D weapons and can throw down a fuckload more dakka.

>>52208371

For them it's just another Tuesday

>>52208254
Thanks.

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>>52208371
Just another day in the crusades.

>>52208314
Yah RAW new crap can't come in.

Then again why GW has so much hate for their own company FW is super strange.

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>>52207881
>anyone here play against/with Cawl yet? thinking of picking him up for my ad mech. is he good?

Emperor's Teeth, he's hard to kill!

We had a "Bring-'n'-Battle" event at the local GW to get new players enthused. You were supposed to bring one HQ and one Troops. I would complain that the WAACfag playing the Adeptus Mechanicus brought Cawl as his HQ, but we had a Sisters player on our side who brought Celestine as his HQ and 20-strong unit of Sororitas as his Troops choice... and a Tyranid player who brought a Flyrant and three Warriors.

ANYway, Cawl is one tough badass. His Toughness is 6, he has a 2+ save, a Refractor Field (5+ invulnerable save) *and* Feel No Pain. Additionally, he knits himself back together for d3 Wounds at the end of each of his turns.

>>52208373
Aren't they so common that every list includes something tailored to deal with them or WKs? That and not being able to teleport them or give them invis.

You're probably right though, I just didn't want to buy a knight

>>52207422
Grav's limited range...of 36"?

Different anon:
Grav guns are fine at least to me, but everyone I know uses grav cannons so I never see them. So as far as I'm concerned, "grav" is short for "grav centurions or grav devistators in a skyhammer force"

Frankily, I'd love to see more grav guns instead of my current meta of "this third of the board is now going to die"

>>52208414
I'm pretty sure FW could totally release a rule allowing new stuff, or failing that just make their own version of Castellans that has an even longer list but the same benefits.

>>52208449
I'm away from my books so I can't check for sure, but as of Battlescribe the range on a grav-cannon is only 24.

>>52207881
>>52207897

How long have you been playing 40k?

>>52208414
>>52208450
Just wait for 8th ed. guys. This will probably be a moot point then.

>>52208482

Longer than you, kid.

>>52206302
SOS have shitty hair

>>52208500
Then why the fuck are you bitching about Cawl. The most 40k model since the Exorcist.

>>52208500
Then you should understand why he's standing on the book.

>>52206302
SoS armor is pretty mediocre looking in my opinion.

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>>52205968
Thoughts guys? For friendly play

>>52208441
Well besides Grav eating everything durable ever, no. Unless naturally running a lot of S8+ weapons there isn't a very good chance at being able to kill a knight reliably. And if they tarpit it, stomps happen. Even worse, if they tarpit it and lose the tarpit on their turn due to unlucky rolls, your knight is gonna just keep raping shit.

Guilliman just is a crappy unit by merit of two words: Monstrous Creature. The one MC the Imperials get outside of AdMech and it's the worst unit to get turned into an MC.

>>52208511
I bet you like the new steampunk dwarves too

>>52208519
>friendly for 2000 points

I would love to play with that earlier discussed 100 x Y Guard list which gives a lascannon and Basilisk shot where Y is the value needed to hit your points cost.

So 20 lascannons and basilisk shots enough to table you in one turn?

>>52208543
They are not 40k or WHF models, they are AoS entire different asthetic.

Also did you just imply the Exorcist is not the most 40k model ever made?

>>52208524
>>52208441

Unless you're going up against Admech, where we have a billion haywire weapons and a dash of Grav, then Knights are very hard to take down. I don't run Arc or Breachers in my usual lists, either, so I struggle even with my beepboops. Need to get some more Vanguard, one unit with plasma isn't cutting it.

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>>52208473
>I'm away from my books so I can't check for sure, but as of Battlescribe the range on a grav-cannon is only 24.

That is true, but two squads of Devastators armed with four grav-cannons (with amps) each as part of a Skyhammer Annihilation Force (like >>52207662's army) can:

-- Land close to where they need to land (i.e., in range)
-- Have "Relentless" on the turn they arrive, allowing them to fire their full number of shots out to 24" when they step out of their drop pods
-- Re-roll failed "To Wound" rolls because they are carrying grav-amps
-- [Optional] If they have Ultramarine Chapter Tactics, declare they are using "Devastator Tactics" on the turn they arrive, and thus also re-roll failed "To Hit" rolls

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Do we have a release date for Fires of Cyraxus anytime soon? Inferno's out, so that should be next on the list. I want my beep boops, and also updated Manta rules for my crazy custom Mechanicum airship.

There's a box that lets me take any 40k Superheavy flyer as a LoW as long as it's modelled and painted Mechanicum, so I thought I'd make a custom airship and use the Manta rules.
Thing is, it's not actually very good. 2 regular D shots at BS4.66 and a bunch of Anti-Infantry and anti-MEQ dakka at BS4 doesn't really hold up to a 2000pt price tag. Only AP2 gun it has is the railguns. Guess I don't have the markerlights.

Tau peoples, what's a good HQ+Troops that lets me grab the Manta and some markers to light stuff up for the firestorm, but doesn't cost a billion points? Planning to convert them as Admech voidsmen so I can have them crew the ship when it's on display. Don't actually know much about Tau, but I wanted a fuckheug flyer and that's the best pick.