Warhammer 40,000 General

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First for hive mind.

Did the Rubric of Ahriman also curse the Thousand Sons with eternal bad luck? Ahriman is still getting mindfucked after 10k years and Magnus is either jobbing to Khorne weapons or getting body slammed by the sons of John Cena.

>>52202116
No, thats just Tzeentch.

Not!Necromunda is gonna rock.

>>52202114
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>>52202116
That's what happens when you play with Tzeench.

>>52202116
DOO DOO DOO DOOOOO

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Which list is better

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For Guilliman's Xenos GF!

Anyone have the HH/Prospero paint guide pdf? wh40klib only has a small one with 4 legions. I'm looking specifically for the HH 1k sons colors, if anyone has that list of paints.

I'm a citadel shill so if you have that equivalent please share which colors they are, specifically.

Can someone shill the various daemon chariots to me? I want to get some daemons chariots but i don't know which ones to get.

>>52202323
Blood Cannons are great. They effectively give all your close-combat daemons assault grenades so they can actually charge entrenched enemies.

>>52202339
Yeah, its a shame they don't have their AOS rule where if they kill something in close combat they get a free extra shot though. Speaking of which, can skull cannons do any emergency melee in 40k?

>>52202294
cute drawing anon, well done.

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>>52202089
So what is the betrayal at calth game actually like? Risk lite or what?

>>52202323
Hellflayers are the equivalent of strapping dozens of power saws to a four-wheeler and then driving it through a playground at 120mph.

They're about as durable, too.

>>52202376
Nah, just something I saved, I wish I had worked on drawing as a lad.

>>52202383
They look damn cool. How often do they actually reach their enemies?

>>52202294
Whoever drew this is never going to get better at drawing hands if they never draw hands.

>>52202365
They can, though it's pretty much just Hammer of Wrath and some swings from the Bloodletters riding it.

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>>52202294
>Yvraine's tatas are big enough for her hands to rest over them

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Rate my list boyos.

>>52202489
Replace the russes for hellhound/melta dogs and add a chimera, run Emperor's Blade Assault Company.

>>52202379
That Tau has saggy tits.

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How's the Dante novel?

So when does 8th edition happen, and are the nids getting an 8th edition codex soon?

>>52202489

Solid, but I would personally run two heavy flamers on my chimeras. Your'e getting them close enough to use the meltas anyway, and two heavy flamers can be a squad wipe pretty easily.

>>52202523
And rely purely on the lascannon fire to take down heavy vehicles? Or am I overthinking it?

>>52202571
Russ tanks aren't very good anti-tanks to begin with. Vets in Chimeras should be your main source of anti-tank

>>52202489
I never play guard without two command squads. Consider running a CBG with just a command squad in it so your captain gets three orders.

>>52202489
It's an illegal list. Emperor's Shield Platoon needs a Sentinel to complete the formation. Also you're 10 points over, also don't make the Lemans an HQ, just take them as Heavy Support choices.

Also with 4 Heavy Weapon Squads, you'll want protection, so you should take an Aegis Defense Line. Also with 4 Heavy Weapon Squads, you should get a second Company Command Squad so you can give all 4 Heavy Weapon Squads ignore cover. Also since they are prone to running away you should give one of the Company Command Squads a Regimental Standard.

>>52202410
Depends on what you use to interdict them with.

As long as you keep terrain and models between it and the things you want to shred to bits beneath your spokes, you should be okay.

LoS blocking terrain is your friend, as usual.

They are fragile, though, so if your opponent manages to focus any real amount of firepower on them they will die.

>>52202582
I see. I'll see what I can do for my LGS night this week. Thanks anon

>>52202589
Could I rectify that by taking Creed/any guard leader character instead?

>>52202550
Sanguine my brother

>>52202550
Guy Haley wrote it so take any of the Tyranid parts with a mountain of salt

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>movement stats
Kill teamunda: armaggedon might actually be great

>>52202489
You can ditch 1 melta from each Chimera and take a Flamer to save 15 points and also give you some added anti-infantry, or just save 30 points overall. Remember, unlike Plasma, Melta won't kill the model, and you can only fire 2 out the hatch.

>>52202600

Nah, for the cost of creed you could just get another command squad. And technically with the Cadian Battle Group you can run as many command squads as you want. Also >>52202598 is right, you need a sentinel to run the ESIC. Just outflank it far from the enemy for an easy linebreaker point.

>>52202616
oh shit

might this be indicative of things to come? I would shit if they actually made regular 40k like this

>>52202616
TFW Neophyte Hyrbrid had no shotgun

Also do you have more pics?

>>52202616
With any luck they'll include deathwatch and stormtroops.

>>52202653
Doubt it. The boxed games are relatively self-contained.

>>52202598
I'll make corrections. And the LRBT aren't Hq choices

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>>52202489
>>52202598
Here's a way to make your list work better together.

It has more orders, more infantry that aren't running and just as mobile.

>>52202648
He can't run a battlegroup. That requires a minimum investment of 1 ESIC, not a single platoon.

That costs 1005 points at the barebones.

>>52202323
>exalted seeker chariot
rhino armor, a bitch to build and paint but you can smash through swarms or run over dreadnoughts easily. can be put in squads. same notes for the other slaanesh chariots. a major down side is you might kill too much with hammer of wrath leaving your rider unable to attack

>burning chariot
100 points for one of my favorite heavy supports. torrent flamer or d3 half range lascannon.

>>52202615
>Guy Haley wrote it
So it's better than 99.9999repeating% of the shit BL has put out in the last 8 years. Got it.

>>52202670
Ditch the PCS Chimera to free up points for some special weapons. Toss Grenade Launchers in there, they work well with Autocannons. You could even bump those up to Missile Launchers if you like (65-15 (3 GL) -15(3 ML) leaves you 35 additional points). Put a second Regimental Standard if you want to move one of the CCS up with the blob.

Hold on, I'll post a fix for this too.

>>52202671
Nope, the only required unit is 1 command, you don't need to run any core formations. Granted your'e missing out on a lot of the buffs if you do this, but you really can just take a command squad as it's own detatchment.

>>52202616
>>52202653
Probably not most likely is to keep the games in a small area and limit how far can they move. But then again as an fantasy fag it wouldn't be so bad.

>>52202723
The second CCS pushing up is a mistake because it's vulnerable and slow. Keeping both behind cover is important to dish out orders to the 3 HWS and the Infantry Platoon which would require 4 orders to be notably effective.

The PCS, the 2 Vet Squads and the Conscript blob go on the move to grab objectives and tarpit, while the PCS gives orders to the Conscript blob to Move Move Move and First Rank Second Rank Fire. Your fix will throw the synergy out of whack.

>>52202616
Post CSM, Scouts, and Orks!

>>52202742
>and limit how far can they move
nah, it's 2e

4" movement was your standard infantry movement value. You could either move 0-4" and fire, or run 8" and not fire. Space marines (and in necromunda, gangers with the skill) could remain stationary to rapid fire.

Fixed movement values are ALWAYS preferable to random ones. Save the randomness for the combat.

>>52202702
Yeah people seem to speak highly of the Tzeentch chariot. Is it better to have the Exalted Flamer on the chariot or a Herald of Tzeentch and run the exalted flamer in a squad of normal flamers?

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>>52202727
>Command: 1+
>Core: 0-3 per Command
>Aux: 0-3 per Core

No, you need to take either a tank company or an infantry company to get the benefits of a Cadian Battle Group. If you mean you're running this as "My detatchment is 3 Battle Group Command choices." you're correct, but then why bother going for the ESIP since by it's own merits the best benefits from it are in the form of the ESIC? You may as well take a CAD.

>>52202707
To be fair nobody does nids right anyways, he just does them the least wrong

>>52202560

You can only fire one weapon with full BS if you moved, making two flamers rather useless.

>>52202798
it's better to have a burning chariot. regular T.herald on chariot is expensive and easily destroyed (75 point to buy i believe) while an exalted flamer on foot has to snap fire his weapons due to them being heavy. when i use exalted flamers i put them in squads of pink horrors for protection and sneaky shots.

>>52202810

The point is to get a company commander with three orders without shelling out for creed. You run this, and then you run a CAD, so you have two CCS's with one of them giving out three orders. Or use this to get two CCS's with room to run a tank commander.

>>52202798
IIRC both of the weapons on the Exalted flamer are heavy, so the only way to get any good use out of him is to put him on the chariot. A herald on a disc surrounded by screamers will probably be more durable anyway if you're worried about that.

>>52202871
Can you give orders to a different detachment?

>>52202871
I'm not sure you get that benefit when issuing to a CAD.

>>52202919

They just have to be infantry units from codex AM as far as I know

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>>52202289
Revised choices
Does anyone here play CD?
Why do I never get any input on my lists? Do people not like daemon lists?

>>52202925

Read it carefully, in regards to the three orders buff, it does not specify that the ordered unit must be from the same detachment. It's actually the only buff that you can still use on guys from other detachments.

>>52202961
I did read it, but I'm still not sure. Not sure it would fly with other people. But if you really do get 3 and it's fine, that plus volkovs cane would be amazing.

>>52202616
Is that an armor save of 1? wtf? Did they change armor saves since I haven't been paying attention?

>>52202961

You could theoretically run a battle forged army of ten company command squads. I don't know how competetive it would be tho.

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So, this is the fun list I came up with. Will it do me any good? I want to include Moloc and make a kinda fluffy. I guess I could go for more points or drop a squad and change them to Assault Marines, to fit more with the fluff though.

Will this list do me any good, or is it garbage?

>>52203022
Grav would be both scummy and effective against MEQ.

You an cheese your opponents while laughing about your fluffy build like the inconceivable asshole Minotaur you are.

>>52202935
Either people dont play the army or are salty cause daemons are so OP

>>52203017
Datz da attacks ya zoggin grot

>>52203032
Yeah, that would actually be fluffy, but I don't want to be that guy.

>>52202379
No answer?

>>52203021
I made a list.

It's 10 squads of 4 Meltaguns in a Taurox.

It costs exactly 1500 points, and you jump out and vape something with BS4 and Bring It Down! or Fire On My Target! to get Tank/Monster Hunter or Ignore Cover, respectively.

It's hilarious.

>>52203047
You're playing Minotaurs.

Your whole purpose in life is to be That Guy to Marines.

>>52203062
Each CCS gets 3 orders/turn in a Cadian BG, right?

>>52203074
W-well, I guess. But what should I drop for the Grav-cannons?

>>52203022
Where do you guys make those lists?

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>>52202723
Here, here's my revision. It's a CAD, the platoon and things are broken up to better suit their needed roles.

As per what the anon said about a CS giving orders to vets, you'd be better off using the PCS for the basic orders and giving your vets Tank/Monster Hunter or Ignores Cover. This list badly needs Psyker support though.

ADL has Ammo Dump because re-rerolling 1s to hit is handy without access to Prescience.

Vox Casters because you don't wanna not get those orders off, and even with Ld 9 a double 6 will make you flip the table.

Volkov's Cane goes on the rear squad so you can make sure you get your orders off on your HWT Squads.

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>>52202289
Heldrakes are the weak link in all of these lists.

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>>52203100
DA ZOGGIN WAAAGH ORGANIZA IS IN DA OP YA GROT


>List organizer picture book
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>52202798
AV10 open-topped is pretty easy to destroy. Personally, I'm not a big fan of paying points for Burning Chariots. Exalted Flamers are a decent choice in the Warpflame Host, as they help provide some mid-field shooting and protection from assault.

Summoned Chariots are great though.

How do i deal with flying Daemon Princes as a SM player? They're too fast to ignore and jink saves are bullshit.

>>52203105
Really? I didn't think I had alot of anti air or horde clearing and they don't do a half bad job of either while being at an acceptable AV.
What would you have in their stead?

>>52202844
>>52202917
>>52203128
Alright, so i guess i should grab a start collecting Tzeentcherino box to grab the chariot then? Do i need to get blue horrors if i want to use pink horrors?

>>52203091
If you REALLY want to be that guy, bring a CAD of

Moloc

2x tac with gravgun + combi grav + DT of choice

Skyhammer Annihilation Force
4x Grav on 10 man dev squads
Combat squad so you have 2x Grav in one 5-man and 2x Grav 1x combi in another.

2x Assault Squads, probably best as bare minimum. If you have points, go 10-man and combat squad so you can lock ALL the people in CC turn one.

Ditch Hunter, Whirlwind. Potentially the dread and tanks too.

I might suggest Honor Guard instead of Terminators, actually. There's actually a strange build idea I've had kicking around--rather than footslog or Land Raider some meaty Termie squad, why not stack your punchy dudes in a drop pod and let the Assault Squads and Grav Cannons hold off the enemy so they can charge turn 2?

>>52203085
Correct but the point is you don't need that. You're rolling 3d6 so you're going to succeed on your order every time.

For added hilarity you could instead field 15 copies of the same command squad:

100 Points: Company Commander, Lascannon Team, 2 Veterans, Master of Ordnance.

You throw down 15 Basilisk shots and 15 Lascannon shots that will have Ignore Cover or Tank/Monster Hunter. Every. Turn. Remember that if you throw double 1s you save time and auto-pass all orders, and you literally will never have Incompetent Command because you'll need triple 6's to do so.

Let the fun flow.

>>52203175
At 1850 you could probably squeeze in a fort for them to hide in, plus some meatbag shielding/wyverns.

>>52203175
hold your horses anon. Most of those buffs only apply for issuing orders to other dudes within your detachment, and to spam CCS's you need to make each one its very own detachment. You still get three orders though,

>>52203021
Tragically, most competitive scenes have detachment limits.

>>52203203
>>52203204
They aren't a different detachment. They're all in one Cadian Battlegroup FBD.

The only requirement for that decurion is 1+ command slots.

How bullshit is the infernal tetrach? I've got a game coming up soon against it and have heard it's total bs.

>>52203175
Oh, and you can burn squad off that list and give each squad 2 Sniper Rifles and have your Warlord carry Kurov's Aquilla and conga line as many dudes together as you can to give your massive wall of paper-thin heavy ordnance Preferred Enemy. With 12 points to spare.

>>52203147
Basically just replace them with the Heralds anarchic or Be'lakor depending on which list you're altering. Or maybe just add more Khorne Dogs to one of the Heralds lists.

A Baledrake is shit anti-air, and too easy to mitigate just by spreading out. If fliers are giving you issues, have Kairos shove the D up their ass OR convert a Herald into a Lord of Change and throw some witchfires at it.

>>52203213
It's pretty bull but it's like, a minimum of around, maybe, 600 points or so. Probably more.

>>52203212

Your'e right, there's no upper limit to how many command slots you can have. My god....

>>52203203
"When an officer from this Detachment issues an order to a unit from this Detachment,"

It does not specify that it has to be another unit, it can be -any- unit in the Detachment. Including itself.

>>52203162
Sounds quite disgusting.
But then again, I might want to be able to pick up games too.

>>52203213
What point value? Budhet tetrad at 1,000 is pretty crappy since it has fuck-all for ground game and you don't have enough Warp Charge to summon much.

Tetrad at 1500/1850 can start getting nasty since there's enough points to fully load the Princes and bring a couple dozen Horrors to run around on the ground.

>>52203227
>>52203213
Different guy here, i don't know much about formations. Does the Infernal Tetrad use up 1 HQ slot or 4 HQ slots?

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>>52203224
>>52203237
It is well done.

>>52203258

It uses up no HQ slots. It's a Formation, which is a separate detachment.

>>52203250
If it's a pickup game, add back in your tanks, drop the ass squads to minimum, and swap the grav for meltas or plas.

MAGNETIZE THOSE FUCKERS

>>52203226
Thanks alot anon. I'll make some changes, maybe you'll still be around when I post it to tell me how bad I did.

>>52203052
Do you know anyone who buys any of the games like that for the games and not the models?

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>>52203267

>>52202935

Because the picture builder is shit you fucking newfag

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>>52203281
You mean like this?

THE HIGH LORDS OF TERRA HAVE GIFTED US ONLY WITH THE BEST MAGNETS THE IMPERIUM CAN OFFER, WE ARE NOT BOUND TO A SINGLE LOADOUT LIKE OTHER SUCKERS

>>52203366
All the Acolytes have bolters so it's 1848, too lazy to add.

>>52203377
Yes, but don't do ten-man tac squads. Put the extra dudes in the dev squads.

>>52203224
Alternative: Hope you get Old Grudges and get 6 Autocannons or Heavy Bolters and 9 Lascannons so you have better coverage for anti-infantry.

12 S7 AP4 shots will not do very much work but they have the benefit of being good against transports so you can keep Lascannons going on the major threats. Swap for H Bolters to sync up attack ranges with your Sniper Rifles and throw some lead down range!

I might actually try this build. I am getting warm fuzzies just thinking about it.

>>52202616
Why are Heavies dirt cheap? Are you only allowed 1 or 2?

>>52203366
So what happens when a Land Raider pops up? Or any AV14?

Gotta have them Lascannons mang. Plus it's worth it to ID shit and fuck up Riptides and Wraithknights on 2+

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>>52203226
What's your opinion on the Khorne herald?
And the CAD herald? Think I should just keep the Tzeralds to the Anarchic formation?

>>52203411
Oh shit, forgot to say. It's an artifact of the shitty listbuilder, all the autocannons are Lascannons.

You'll get your absurd firepower.

>>52203369
>implying people reply to text lists
>implying BS works

>>52203418
Perfect.

Now I just need to see how many lascannons I got and try this out. Maybe worth ditching one squad for a ADL and buying camo on the squad.

>>52203385
Very well then! I am become Moloc, bully of Space Marines!

So Im playing the IA13 Lost and the Damned, with a bloody handed reaver archdemagouge devotion, and I don't know if I should get my granadiers (guard vets but with hotshots that can take scout/furious charge/deepstrike/tank hunters) carapace armor. It costs 20 points, and the squad is 150 already. Help please.

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Asking again because there was no answer last time. Does anyone have a PDF/epub/whatever of Gangs of Commorragh? I'd just buy the damn thing but it's out of stock and GW told me it will take "an undisclosed time" to come back in stock.

>>52203400
Maybe the weapons are expensive.

>>52203469
If you want to, email me and we can sort something out. I am pretty sure my FLGS has one on the shelf and it will sit there indefinitely. Or I can ask if they'll do an order and ship it.

[email protected]

>>52203494

While I sincerely appreciate the offer, anon, shipping would probably make it not worth it since I'm in a frozen hellhole instead of a real country. Thanks though. They have the French version in stock and I'm considering just buying that if I can find an English rules PDF lel

>>52203428
>implying anyone posts text lists
>ever

>>52203469
>>52203503

https://mega.nz/#!LFoikQQQ!JCdPuQwkLW7E0FzMSq_qbP3BSzK4PVAQJ89t_dq2OiU

OK so I'm torn up about my new army after playing tau for sometime I want to get in on the imperial action help me decide?

>ultra marines
I like the boys in blue and their balanced play style isn't a far cry from the shooting only I'm accustomed to. Plus the Roman motif is neat. Usable in 30k

>Death Guard
Nurgle is my favorite chaos god before slaanesh (friend already plays emperors children) and these guys have cool models and an easy to paint color scheme. Usable in 30k

>mechanicum
Fucking dope models, expensive and 30k only.

>Grey knights
Cool models. Love the lore. Not super expensive. Feel like getting a good painting is harder than it looks and supposedly uncompetitive codex?

>>52203503
If you mean Canada I'm in MA.

>>52203525
Go with Ultramarines. You'll never be irelevant.

>>52203515
I did. You can guess how that went.
I even formatted it to be clear and concise

>>52202294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEgwxGWgiIg

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>>52203535

The problem has been solved.

>>52203521

Thank you, based anon!

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>>52202550
You can call him Dante the daemon killer, fuck you.

>>52203525
Death guard are most likely going to be the next chaos legion getting a big update. I'd suggest them, but I'd also suggest holding off because if they DO get a big update, the older models will look like shit by comparison.

Ultramarines are fun tho. Nice joe average army.

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>>52203413
>picture builder has a text version
I mean is there even a point? It doesn't show what special rules each unit has and isn't fucking ugly. It's the best way to post lists than can actually be made there and it gets a bad rap from sperglords.

Not sure if I need the extra Tzerald

>>52202550
I read it. I like it. Dante is such a good person. Too good for this world.

It's a pity that he will die at Abaddon's hand

>>52202811
Tyranidfags please leave. Your headcanon was never true.

>>52203347
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CUNT FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I LIKE THE GAME YOU TENDIE EATING KEK LORD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

cuck cuck that you cuck fucker REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52202550
Is that the guy who tries to make Nids interesting and gets called an asshole by the nid fanboys?

He is good.

>>52203636
Yep.

He is the only one that actually makes the Tyranid decent enough to read about. Nidfags are mad because he is giving the Hivemind some character development.

Building an Alpha Legion army is there a way to give my Lord infiltrate other than the 1/6 chance that he rolls it as warlord trait?

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Who is everyone's favorite named Space Marine? I'm a big fan of Dante. Longest lived non-dreadnought Astartes, who made it to being a Chapter Master by just not really being good, nor bad at anything.

>>52203413
k.heralds are nice cheap killers, they'll attract fire from everything but they can smash through a squad

>>52203651
Torias Telion. He has the best SM character model there is, and is a Scout HQ, which means Scout CAD.

Which means never losing games because spamming ObSec scouts is a viable tactic. Only problem is fliers.

>>52202550
>>52202611
Anyone got any downloads for it?

>>52203651
>who made it to being a Chapter Master by just not really being good, nor bad at anything.

He is literally chosen by destiny and one of the three Great Chapter Masters in the Imperium.

>>52203651
Chaplain Cassius, was the first marine to lead stormtalons into battle as a test run against Hive Fleet Leviathan, decimated the opposition so hard that talons were integrated into most if not all chapters.

>>52203663
I do.

But you have to have the password. You see ever since the Branstark debacle wew can't take any chances./

>>52203672
Also he defeated the Swarmlord twice in mortal combat within the same day.

>>52203679
Branstark debacle? Well shit. Not that I don't like paying for books mind you, I just don't have a lot of spare cash this month with Andromeda dropping. But I understand if you can't provide me with a download.

>>52203589
Didn't all the legions get a fat as fuck update with their newest book? What makes you think deathguard are getting more stuff? Not trying to sound sarcastic, I legitimately want to know. Cus if that's the case I will definitely hold out.

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>>52203651
I'd say Saul Invictus, but the guy who has to take over for, and live up to the example of a big damn hero is pretty cool.

Is there ever a reason to take Tzaangors? I fucking love the models but they seem awful.

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>>52203700
>What makes you think deathguard are getting more stuff?
old rumours, leaked images of what might be daemon mortarion, mentions of the death guard mustering in the third gathering storm book

I'm not going to say "THEY'RE CONFIRMED COMING 100% MY DAD WORKS AT GW", but after the TSons model update it makes sense they'd continue along that path. Especially if they want chaos to be a big bad enemy for king smurf.

>>52203515
It'd be run with the hounds and ML3 Be'lakor casting invisibility but I'm worried about putting 900 points into that unit in a list with Kairos

>>52203723
Magnus and Morty having an intense personal grudge against Girlyman is random since I don't think they ever interacted ever the Great Crusade and the HH.

>>52203728
meant for >>52203661

>>52203723
Hmm seems plausible and those pictures look pretty damn cool. I wonder how they'd do notation though

1) death guard rules only let them take typhus iirc
2) isn't mortarion being edgy and miserable in the fluff?

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>Roboute Guilliman died when stasis shut down
>Yncarne's shard possessed his corpse and absorbed his memories
>it plays role while it fits but will strike back when time comes

Can GW pull twist like this?

https://youtu.be/dKVhodA_q-g

>>52203022
>police force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTZLuuTPi8

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>>52203740
>isn't mortarion being edgy and miserable in the fluff?
now he's being edgy and miserable towards someone who isn't

>>52203735
It's random, but I don't really hate it. Makes sense the primarchs would all have some interaction, and it makes sense all the traitors would kind of hate the loyalists in some way.

>>52203762
also the key words are
>Mired amid plans that were nearing fruition

>>52203746
trump and hillary edit when

>>52203651
oh cool, did they send a stormcast eternal forward in time to the 41st millennium?

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>>52202550

Gathering Storm plotholes

>Trazyn says he was dragged in chains to the biotransference forges and forcibly converted.

This doesn't make sense sense he was a Necrontyr king with his own house, world, and armies. He was not a peasant.

>Celestine choose to injure Abaddon rather than straight up kill him

Abaddon was wide open why did she just stab him in the back and run away? She could have taken his head off.

>Ahriman teleports the Ynnari to the Warp in front of Tzeentch

This one is a two parter. It says that if the Eldar looked back to Tzeentch, they would lose their minds to madness. That's stupid since the Eldar mental fortitude is not that fragile.

The other part of the plothole is why didn't Tzeentch reach out and grab them.

There are more plotholes but these are the ones on my mind now.

>>52203672
I don't know much about him. Sounds like a cool guy though.

>>52203662
Not that well versed in Ultramarine characters I hate to say. But he does have a bomb looking model.

>>52203701
Now that name I recognize. I hate the Tyranids but god damn did he do a number on them with the rest of the First Company.

>>52203797
>why did she run away
Because Abaddon has plot armor?

>>52203735
>>52203762
feels more like they forgot who hated who and when they realized magnus' nemesis was MIA they came up with some random bullshit so they could convince rubes to buy both so they could forge the narrative being crammed down their throats.

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>>52203650
I was about to say just put him in one of the squads that already gets infiltrate, but then-

>>52203806
I am going with that she is dumb.

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>>52203797
>>Trazyn says he was dragged in chains to the biotransference forges and forcibly converted.
>This doesn't make sense sense he was a Necrontyr king with his own house, world, and armies. He was not a peasant.

>"No, please, I know the Silent King ordered this, but I am too busy being a NEET collector of things"

>>52203843

The purpose of the CAD is for a fortification, some extra bubble wrap, and the Lord Commissar gives your squads Ld 10. It's a cheap way of bypassing the cost of a 15 point Regimental Standard and you can make him the warlord and hope for Draconian Disciplinarian.

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>>52203801
>Now that name I recognize.
I'm real bummed we didn't get his plasma blaster as a relic in the Ultramarine detachment.

A no-name poison storm bolter just doesn't have the same appeal.

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Hey. Thinking of getting some sororitas when raging heroes finishes releasing theirs, assuming 40k: the end times hasn't happened by then. I haven't played 40k in a while, no idea about the current meta beyond "Eldar are OP". Is pic-related a good list? I took a combined arms approach, with bitch blobs for holding objectives on my side of the table, dominions and sisters in tanks for offense, immolator spam for tanks. Anything I'm missing?

>>52203871
Just kinda shitty in general, but who knows what the fuck is going on in GW's heads right now anyways. Invictus was a cool motherfucker.

>>52203679
What is the Branstark debacle?

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WOAH. I am apparently super late to the ballgame, but Roboutte Guilliman is the leader of the Imperium now? and he has the emperor's sword?

goddammit

i was hoping all of the primarchs would come back and be equal, but oooogh

>>52203746

Did you even read GS3? 75% of it is basically told from Guilliman's third person point of view.

>>52203916
For now. The Lion is ahead of him as the First. So when he returns he will take command of the Imperium.

>>52203442
Wait,so kinda like chaos tempestus? I don't know if you should give them a carapace, they are really expensive for LatD, like for 170 points you could get a renegade platoon. But on the other hand, do you want your super expensive squad go down to bolters without saves? Up to you.

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>>52203932
Is Dorn coming back? He's my favrite 'venger.

>>52203932
>implying legion number designations have any meaning

Sure, just like Lion took control of the Imperium after the Heresy right? Oh wait that was Guilliman too.

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>>52203922
He may think its him, but he is not, he is just walking corpse puppet of Eldar.
>pic related

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What's the source for that piece of fluff about how even Thokt warriors have personalities? I can't find it.

>>52203932

As if Cypher wont kill that traitorous bitch with the Lion Sword as soon as he gets out of his cave.

>>52203893
I mean, it's not horrible. I dig being able to get a second set of doctrines by playing the same army I did already, even if I forget doctrines exist half the time.

Doubt I'll ever use gorillaman in any large capacity, though. Having the boss handle all your fights for you just ain't right.

>>52203980
I agree. It's why I prefer to take un-named characters or at the most named Captains or other leadership that aren't the masters of their chapters, etc. Why take Dante, when I can take Astorath with backup from Lemartes?

>>52203957
The Lion was KO'ed before the HH ended.

Who wins?

Be'lakor vs Magnus
Abaddon vs Roboute

>>52203916
What the hell, when was this a thing? I haven't been keeping up.

>>52203963

Why are we still here? Just to suffer the xenos to live?

>>52203978

Every time I see a scheme like this I'm like that's badass I would totally paint that scheme for Necrons, and then I realize just how much edge highlighting you'd have to do.

>>52204027

Either even match between Belakor and Magnus or Belakor wins.

Roboute would just crush Abaddons head with his HUEG power fist.

>>52204040
Are you fucking retarded there's literally people talking about it in this thread before that post just how fucking oblivious can you be have you never heard of google you stupid fuck never breed just fucking end yourself

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>ork warbuggies are now chariots, ork characters can take one as an dedicated transport.

>>52204049
Edge highlighting isn't that bad you big baby.

>>52204064
>pulled by giant squigs

or better yet, pulled by boys

no, make them fucking empty and being pulled by its occupant

>>52204055
I didn't scroll up.

>>52204064
Like the necron one? That'd be neat.

>>52204078

But the gun alone has like 20 separate edges already

I can't do it onii-chan

>>52204082
>I'm not stupid I'm just lazy as fuck

This is acceptable to me.

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>>52203963
>Now do you remember who you are? What you were made to do?

captcha: fulton frei

>>52202811
Graham McNeill did better.

>>52204093
Not the anon you're replying to, but you can do it desu.

>>52204027
>Be'lakor vs Magnus
>shitty fantasyfag daemon crossover cameo who was promptly forgotten about or Daemon Primarch of one of the original 9 Traitor Legions who has recently gotten a ton of focus in the fluff
Hmmm I wonder

Also just comparing their in-game stats Magnus would solo like 3 Be'lakors with ease.

>>52204169
Be'lakor is in Fall of Cadia as one villain of one of the chapters. He was foiled but he will appear again because he will not rest until Abaddon is upstaged or killed.

My brother and I are about to finish Enterprise and have no more Treks to watch and we kinda want to get into this and I have a few questions,
maybe you guys could help me not become a meme or be hyperjewed
I see that there are links in the OP to the books so I'll start there

I get the impression that 40k is a more popular tabletop (seems important in this hobby) than Age of Sigmar etc.
Are those 1v1 game sets like Burning of Prospero a good way to enter this?
We watched a buncha games on YT, some other info for newbies etc.
Have come to the conclusion we should buy a rulebook and codices for our respective armies before buying any models
Should we get books and study up? or would a set like Prospero be an efficient way to see if we have any fun?

Also I was concerned about the difficulty of painting later on down the road.
Should I avoid an army like Thousand Sons because of the difficulty of painting them? I've watched a few quick guides but I'm not good at gauging how difficult these colors are as I haven't painted shit.

Can you supplement Daemons into a CSM Warband? are questions like this answered in codex or 7th edition rulebook?

>>52203624
>>52203636
>>52203649
>Carnac samefagging again
Jesus christ.

>>52204169
Be'lakor has a small 40k presence

>>52204196
Ebay is a good way to enter this. Save a lot of money, just make sure to not get jewed harder than Games Workshop will fuck you. (for Minis)

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>>52204079
>Warboss Fred and mek Barney

>>52204199
I don't think you understand what samefagging means.

>>52204010
Doesn't really mean anything. Horus was named Warmaster instead of the Lion despite the Luna Wolves being the XVI Legion. Legion numbers are not a ranking.

>>52204196
>Burning of Prospero
Just get the books for whatever army you find interesting and then make lists for 500 points including a warlord, 2 troops and then your choosing.
>Thousand Sons
You don't avoid them because of the painting, it's the fact that they're pretty shitty in general let alone in low points games where everything is overcosted.
>Daemons into CSM warband
You can but both formation and primary Warband detachment will come with hefty compulsory choices that you MUST take.
>Daemons into a CSM Warband
You can but both warband and formations come with hefty compulsory tax, essentially must-include units.

>>52204203
Actually, Be'lakor got a 40K dataslate. Before that he appeared in the Imperial Fist supplement as the final boss of their timeline. This played out in Fall of Cadia.

He also got an audiobook that's part of the Ahriman series called "The First Prince".

He has more material than some of the old characters of 40K.

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>>52204196
>Are those 1v1 game sets like Burning of Prospero a good way to enter this?
Reasonably. The starter set (Dark Vengeance) also contains a rulebook and all the rules you need to play the game in the box.

The contained boxes (things like prospero, deathwatch overkill, the upcoming armageddon game) are also good, but more focused on their unique rulesets than the base game.

>we should buy a rulebook and codices for our respective armies before buying any models
Not exactly necessary. If it's just the two of you, pirating digital copies is cheap and convenient.

>Also I was concerned about the difficulty of painting later on down the road.
Painting is as easy or as difficult as you want to make it for yourself. EVERYONE starts off rough, but it's a skill you can improve with practice. The warhammer TV painting guides are decent for absolute beginners.

>Can you supplement Daemons into a CSM Warband?
Yes, the easiest way would be through an allied detachment, which is in the main rulebook. The rulebook's a bit of a mess, but asking questions and looking shit up online is one way of figuring shit out.

>Should I avoid an army
Collecting this stuff's all about passion. Bad rules, difficult paintjobs.. aren't as important as just finding the army cool.

>>52204169
Also invisibility means jack all when beam attacks aren't targeted. Be'lakor will just get deleted in the psychic phase.

>>52204215
Just going to add to this, you will want a rulebook and codices for the armies you are going to play. You could study up before you play, but honestly, just playing and learning the rules after reading up on the basic shit like movement shooting and assault phases will be the best way (in my opinion). There's just too much to memorize at first. It might help if you could find someone patient to help you out in person and play some games with you.
I think you should choose an army that you think is cool or that you like their play style/fluff. Choosing based off ease of painting might end up making the game less fun. You could always play with them not painted if you are with friends.

>>52204250
Doubled up on my explanation there at the end but most questions can be answered in the Big Rule Book. Anything else through google or here really.

>>52204263
Of course the armies in Prospero and Calth are much more playable out of the box and generally better deals than DV, so I'd suggest getting one of those instead and either buying the rules separately or just pirating them.

>>52204268
Does Puppet Master effect that?

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>>52204268
He really needs a buff to better represent his true power. This favoritism towards author favorites is shafting an iconic character.

>>52204263
>Collecting this stuff's all about passion. Bad rules, difficult paintjobs.. aren't as important as just finding the army cool.

This right here is the most important part, for example my Thousand Sons might have awful rules and be really difficult to paint (I go ham on jewels, OSL and even NMM) but I do it all because I absolutely love them.

>>52204285
You mean the 6th ed telepathy power that is no longer part of the rules? For obvious reasons no.

>>52204263
>>52204250
>>52204215
>>52204269
Thanks for quick replies!

I asked about 1ksons mostly because I found them badass (space sorcerers n sheit), My brother is adamant that he wants Orkz.

>>52204299
Confirming my suspicion/what everyone has said that I should just look towards whoever is the coolest and figure out if they suck later

>>52204311
Doesn't Be'lakor have rules in Fall of Cadia?

>>52204299
>abloobloo muh 1KS

At least you have Magnus and amazing new plastics as well as Tzaangors and Tzeentch support. There are worse things to be than a 1KS player right now.

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>>52204299
It goes both ways. I really love my Guard army but losing all the time isn't fun.

>>52204291
Good, Be'lakor deserves all the shit he gets, he's a boring character and should be bullied as much as possible on tabletop and in lore.

>>52204323
what's your meta full of?

>>52204196
>I get the impression that 40k is a more popular tabletop (seems important in this hobby) than Age of Sigmar etc.

It dependson your area but globally this tends to be the case.

>Are those 1v1 game sets like Burning of Prospero a good way to enter this?

Yes. You can also buy their parts from eBay for much cheaper, and in the selection you want. Don't like Terminators? Just buy more Prospero marines on eBay.

>Have come to the conclusion we should buy a rulebook and codices for our respective armies before buying any models
>Should we get books and study up? or would a set like Prospero be an efficient way to see if we have any fun?

You should, but pirate them instead of buying them.

>>52204319
Curse of the wulfen, was just looking at it to see the daemon formations. He's alright.

>>52204334
Lots and lots of bikes.

I know I CAN beat them but it requires me to go out and buy a ton of stuff which I can't afford at the moment.

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>>52204311
Thought he still had that base, my mistake
>>52204315
Unless if you're going to tournaments you can make your models to count as something else, meaning you can have a thousand sons army and call them something else given they aren't marines acting as a model that's actually taller/shorter getting around line of sight rules.
>adamant that he wants Orkz
I grieve for him.
>figure out if they suck later
It's not really necessary.You'd waste alot of money if you're actually buying the models and not using count as here. If you're wondering what the useless and useful units are of armies just ask. I'd advise you nerf yourself given your brother plays orks. They're genuinely bad.

>>52204330
>Warhammer Lucifer is boring

You have shitty taste

>>52204322
I don't play Magnus in anything other than Apoc, and I've been collecting them since 4th ed, so I am incredibly thankful for the new models, but I've still known the pain of only having metal models and having to rely on conversion kits for some time now.

Though with Forge World's latest venture it seems my luck is finally turning around.

>>52204359
my condolences, my recommendation of what my buddy who plays them does is lots of plasma. and kurov's aquila

>>52204370
Yes, yes he is. He is the most uninteresting, vanilla, milquetoast possible rendition of Lucifer.

Both in appearance and in lore.

>>52204234
Two of those posts were literally replies to himself.

>>52204370
>Be'lakor being anything close to Lucifer
HAhahaha, fuck no

Horus is Lucifer you stupid cunt

Why are Nids so fucking shit and boring?

They even have the worst fans

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>>52204379
Pretty much my only chance is to go for the Emporer's Wrath detachment and hope they don't cross the entire map in a turn and half like the usually do to kill me.

It's why I hope bikes/skimmers get nerfed into oblivion, because facing them in any capacity just drains any fun from the game.

>>52204291
I can't tell if this is bait or if you're that dumb. There have been too many legit stupid people posting here lately.

>>52204412
Why are you so buttdevastated about Tyranids all the time?

You hate nids but like Tau, you have the most shit tier taste possible for a 40k fan.

>>52204412
Let us know when you have some new material

>>52204415
bikes getting nerfed i dont really mind but if skimmers got rocked my deldar would be in a worse place than they already are and i would hate to see that.

>>52204407
Nah. Be'lakor fits the bill way better and looks and acts the part.

>>52204415
I fuckin love Solar Auxilla, they alongside the Death Korps of Krieg are the best normal human models.

>>52204426
>but like Tau

>>52204426
>>52204426
How do you know he likes Tau, though?

>>52204393
Did Lucifer rebel against evil gods and does he have time reset powers?

>>52204431
Are skimmers even that bad atm? I never really see them enough to know.

>>52204433
Confirmed for knowing nothing about mythology

>>52202616
moar pls?

>>52204407
Horus is Horus, relating to Julius Ceaser

>>52204444
Lucifer....mythology? Are you a fedora?

>>52204443
its not that skimmers are that bad its just that armor 10 is paper and so deldar boats explode if you so much as fart at them, nights shields and jinking he mitigate that but not by a huge amount

>>52204442
>How do you know he likes Tau, though?
>being this new
He's TIDF

>>52203651
sigismund if we're talking all of them ever, Lysander if 40k

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>>52204444

>>52204460
No, he isn't He is random anon.

>>52204457
Yah nah I am not taking this bait, not tonight faggot

>>52202935
Bottom list looks more balanced.

>>52204458
I probably should have specified, I meant "bad" in the same way as bikes and needing to be nerfed as the previous anon stated.

>>52202616
>M
This is one of the signs of the apocalypse.

>>52204468
Fgt, What does Lucifer have to do with mythology? He is part of a current day religion. You should have said you don't know nothing about Christianity.

Dumbass.

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>>52204444
Kek confirms

Be'lakor is now eternally trash and not worthy of being associated with Lucifer unless someone gets quints

>>52204473
i mean, his problem with them was that they go really fast and that is true, for 5 points i can get an upgrade that lets raiders or venoms go 36" in one turn but i dont think that its a big enough problem to justify a nerf but i dont know much about what regular eldar skimmers do so im a little biased in that regard.

>>52204478
>He is part of a current day religion
Yes, and? Judeochristian mythology goes all the back to antiquity, its just syncretized development of things that came before. Lucifer is the development of the Prometheus archetype.

As I said, confirmed for knowing jack shit about mythology, thanks for proving me right.

>>52204467
he ain't

the whole reason he posts anonymously is because people could ignore him more easily when he namefagged

For a Knight, would it be better to retain the melee D weapon or go full Crusader and rely on Stomp?

>>52204474
Its Necromunda, Necromunda has always kept the movement stat from 2e.

I wouldn't be surprised if they brought it back in 8th but this doesn't really give any evidence for that one way or the other

>>52204498
Be'lakor the Fortoken
>First of the Angels/daemons
>Favourite son of God(s)
>His damnation opened the heart of men to sin/Chaos. If a man would look at the darkness of his own heart, he would see Be'lakor staring back at him
>He pulled the greatest trick by convincing the world/galaxy he doesn't exist so that he can manipulate it from the shadows
>He is the creator/sponsor/father of the Antichrist (Abaddon and Archaon) who will bring about the End Times
>His ultimate plan is to get back at God(s) and set himself as the ruler of creation
>Most importantly he represents pride and hubris at its extreme. The sins that caused him to rebel against God(s).

Actually, you proved me right by not seeing the parallels between Satan and Be'lakor.

Also living religion =/= myth.

>>52204467
Uh-huh. You're either him or just dumb

>>52204505
I assure you that's a random anon.

>>52204510
Yeah, Girlyman choose Sangy as his leader.

>>52204518
Nope, you are the dumb one. Calling accusing innocent falsely anons like that.

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>>52204478
>religion
>not mythology

>>52204412
I got the worst impression of what a tyranid fan could be like, due to this highly autistic guy who plays them in my group. He's powergaming too hard and his occasional munchkin tendancies suck the fun out of the game. Constantly yells "NOMNOMNOM" too.

Dropped 3 grand (of his rich parent's money) on a tyranid army within two weeks when he learned of the game through my friend, and every time we play, I beat him. Then he starts whining out of butthurt.
I can't fucking escape him because my best buddy keeps inviting him over to the games we play at his house because he pities him and his autism.

But of course, he's the only tyranid player I've ever actually played with so I could just have gotten one of the worst of the bunch.

>>52204510
So if Legion number was important why was Guilliman named Lord Commander instead of Khan who's legion number is far lower? Legion number means literally nothing, the Lion wouldn't replace Guilliman just because the Dark Angels are the first legion. Gulliman's whole thing was that he was arguably the best administrator.

>>52204524

Didn't he just pick Sanguinius because he didn't want to make it look like he was making an empire for his own gain (or something along those lines)?

>>52204511
I'm fully aware that both versions of necromunda had M, I just always considered it appearing again in a modern 40k product one of the signs of the world coming to an end.

>>52204510
>>52204524
Lion wasn't a people person. Hence why he wasn't chosen by the Emperor as Warmaster.
Lion is too much "Get out of my lawn" and "Sons, let's get shit done" for being a diplomat.

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>>52204511
I like it when everything has different movements. I don't want to say it adds depth, but immersion maybe? It just adds something to the game that I like.

Should tempestus arms fit on guardsmen bodies? Im giving my vets hotshots, but don't want to drop more dosh on carapace.

>>52204539
The Lion befriended Russ when all others could not. He was the only brother that wasn't driven away by Russ's adopted persona.

>>52204542
You know, I really wish vets actually could take hotshots.

>>52204516
The Chaos Gods aren't a parallel to YHWH, The Emperor is.

The favored and most trusted son of God (The Emperor) who fell from grace and rebelled, decrying him as a Tyrant who wished to be worshipped, who would replace the angels with unworthy weaker Mankind (humans vs Astartes) and leading a host of rebellious angels (Space Marines, Angels of Death), only to be struck down and his host cast into Hell (the Eye of Terror/Warp).

That's the Lucifer story. All the shit you posted is modern day wackjob fundamentalist christcuck bullshit.

>>52204516
From the Oxford English Dictionary:

mythology
[mass noun]
1A collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition.
‘tales from Greek mythology’
count noun ‘Jewish and Christian mythologies’

myth
[noun]
1A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
‘ancient Celtic myths’
mass noun ‘the heroes of Greek myth’

Also if anything copying christian mythology so closely is what makes him boring, christian mythology is the most boring and overused mythology in western literature.

>>52204471
Not really looking for balance, my LGS is really competitive and frequents GT's

>>52204547
Play renegades and heretics m8. You can make them mini tempestus, ds and all,but you don't need to get carapace.

>Girlyman fired a number of High Lords and dragged them away from their posts

That's hardly fair. They kept the Imperium safe through the Age of Ending only to be disrespected like this.

>>52204507
Either is good, so its a question of what you lack in your list.

Can anyone give me the black library mega link?

>>52204546
Ah finally someone who knows that Lion and Wolf were BFF.
Wolf was a savage, but loyal like a dog to Big E.
Lion was more introverted, but loyal to Big E too.
Both were rough persons.

>>52204561
Right, I'm sure Goge Vandire and Drakan Vangorich were doing just that.

>>52203709
They are T4 Cultists with a constant 6+ save and better melee but they don't get shooting attacks unless you pay for them.

You could use them as additional wounds for your support HQs while keeping the majority toughness of the unit T4.

>>52204561
They probably did more to contribute to the Imperium failing than they helped keep it safe. Half of the High Lords are usually pretty fucking corrupt.

>>52203709
>>52204576
They're also pretty good in the warherd Formation that makes them faster and adds some other bonuses. I probably wouldn't take them outside of it though.

>>52204552
Forget to add

>Seduced and corrupted fellow angels/daemons to rebel and join his cause against his God(s)

>YHWH

In many ways they are.

>That's the Lucifer story. All the shit you posted is modern day wackjob fundamentalist christcuck bullshit.

In other words the story of Lucifer in pop culture and as seen by the majority of Xitans. So we are in agreement. Be'lakor is closer to Lucifer than Horus.

>>52204553
>Also if anything copying christian mythology

Not if they do something new with it.

>>52204560
Ehh, I don't really like having to play other armies to get upgrades another army should have in the first place. But then again if I'm not mistaken R&Hs are doing a lot better than the Guard atm.

>>52204547
Yeah >>52204560 is right, LatD player here. Its pretty fun if you ask me, when your entire army is so cheap you can spend some points for like 2 squads of granadiers and fuck shit up real good. Don't even need carapace, you will ethier be sitting in cover or a chimera, or deep striking into the backline, so they will die anyway. Plus nurgle gives fnp.

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>>52203651
tankred

>>52204582

Another problem with Be'lakor is that nothing about him is an actually compelling character, he's just a paper thin cardboard cutout copy of the most overused villain in western fiction with next to no unique elements.

>>52204555
By balanced I mean not a one trick pony.

It can take on air, armour, psykers, monsters and even has some cultists to sit on that one objective you keep drawing cards for all game.

>>52204597
I don't really know, Im pretty new to 40k, but r&h have all the shit that guard has for cheaper. Who cares that your 5 wyverns in one squad have bs2, it just an inch. Plus you tarpit to the extreme, especially with nurgle. But I took the shit devotion for my archdemagouge, so Im not gonna win anyway.

>>52204596
Like what? Make the entity he is rebelling against evil? That does not make him or his story any more compelling in fact if anything it makes him even more boring as now you've stripped the whole corruption of good through hubris and the father having to punish the son he once loved angles and all your left with is an arrogant fuckup who gets killed by lizards throwing rocks at him.

Do we have a release date for Fires of Cyraxis anytime soon? Inferno's out, so that should be next on the list. I want my beep boops, and also updated Manta rules for my crazy custom Mechanicum plane. There's a box that lets me take any 40k Superheavy flyer as a LoW as long as it's modelled and painted Mechanicum, so I thought I'd make a custom airship and use the Manta rules. Thing is, it's not actually very good. 2 regular D shots at BS4.66 and a bunch of Anti-Infantry and anti-MEQ dakka at BS4 doesn't really hold up to a 2000pt price tag. Only AP2 gun it has is the railguns.

>>52204561
i was kind of surprised to see this glossed over
Terra Has always been very interesting to me and i'dd hoped to see a more in depth description of the guys in charge

i guess it's just "papa smurf runs shit" now

>>52204658
I still wonder why Guilliman didn't turned traitor with such ambition.

>>52204643
> an arrogant fuckup who gets killed by lizards throwing rocks at him.

Actually, you got a interesting villain who is caught between loving and hating his parents. One side of him wants to be the apple of their way and the other wants to cast them down from their thrones. Having Be'lakor as the renegade daemon against the Chaos Gods enriches the story since it adds to the theme of Chaos against itself as well explanation of how things came to be. His very appearance as the benefactor of Abaddon (Antichrist) makes the Warmaster a less Mary Sue character since his ascension was facilitated via an insider who knows the game well.

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>>52203651
cypher
I was really dissapointed to see his arc in the latest book dissolve into nothing

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Are space marines the best place to start for a beginner? I like the idea of an army that isn't high numbers of units (both for flavour and for less assembly, painting and I'm assuming cost too?) I'm also interested in the Tau, but SM just seems like they have way, way more to choose from with all the different chapters and I like their aesthetic as well. I've also heard they're somewhat forgiving to play.

My only concern is does everyone and their grandma play them? I know they're the most popular, and getting stuck playing predominantly armies similar to mine would be a bit of a bummer.

In any case I'm gonna download the rulebook to try to have a basic understanding of how things work and watch some games to get an idea.

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>>52204618

lmao check the aos general thread

fantasy grognards going all out with numale, cuck and shillary insults

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Are audio dramas any good? I have a 5 hour plane ride + a 5 hour layover and was considering downloading a few for it, does anyone have any good suggestions for any of them ?

>>52204713

>Why did you wake me?
>It's always time for war

Then why did you need to ask?

>>52203651
My favorite named SM Char, until i can lay my hands on more HH fluff regarding the 1st Legion is either Azrael or Ezekiel.
The first one wasn't the best fighter but ended up as Chapter Master because of sheer willpower, being a tactician and with charisma.
The second one can make veteran librarian turning mad when they try to look in his past and his mind.

>>52204657
What "box" are you even talking about?

>>52204728
because sometimes they just want advice or some time to chat

"hey killbot go kill things" is going to get pretty fuckin' boring

>>52204717
I went to eight-chan to check out their /tg/ board. Their 40K and fantasy threads actually brag about coming here to shitpost in /AoS/ threads. This explains where the terminology is coming from.

>>52204510
>Even Guilliman admited that Lion always was above him.

Only in tactical and strategic acuity. Not in statemanship, diplomacy, logistics, charisma, generalship, empire building, world building, colonization, etc.

>>52204706
Space Marines are good for beginners because you'll find a lot of things get compared to their stat line, armor, and weapons and they're also pretty forgiving of mistakes, but you don't have to start with them. Tau can also be a good beginner choice because you'll have strong guns and you'll have to learn army gimmicks and won't have to skip an entire section of the rulebook basically (morale), and if you learn to not build lists like an asshole they actually have a lot of neat units to okay around with that a lot of people never see like the Vesipid. In all honesty the only armies I'd stay away from as a beginner are the ones with fun sized codexes like Harlequins and Miliatrum Tempestus.

>>52204694
Yes and he has no relatable or understandable backstory for any of this, nor is it demonstrated in any meaningful way, it is simply stated and that is quite boring.
He doesn't even manage the incomprehensible otherworldly being angle, since he's just some background character with a backstory that's meant to make the the guy he jobs for this week seem cool.
What's more chaos against itself is already exists in spades with the chaos gods fighting each other, making his existence redundant.
Lastly all he does to Abaddon is make him seem like more of a fuckup while treading on the toes of an actually iconic character that people actually give somewhat of a shit about.

>>52204762
This, nailed it.

Especially the part with "hurrr Chaos against itself" when the 4 Chaos Gods are always at eachothers throats to begin with.

Be'lakor adds nothing to the setting, he was shoehorned in to sell a Fantasy model to 40kfags

>>52204760
Well I wouldn't really recommend Orks, Dark Eldar and Tyranids either.

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>>52204733
Horus Heresy Mechanicum Army List has a little boxout section in the rules, just after the Allies Matrix, that says you can use the Lord of War slot to take vehicles from Imperial Armour books and similar, like one to three regular flyers or one Superheavy flyer, to represent the massive variety of shit the Mechanicum uses. Also new ways to use the LoW slot, like taking several small Superheavies like Malcadors instead of one big one, or some flyers. They do give extra VPs for being destroyed, though.
The tanks and such have to be Imperial, but the flyer box doesn't link to the box with those restrictions on it, unlike the others that do so explicitly, because presumably there's few enough flyers to pick anyway.
So yes, they can theoretically take two or three Mantas with the Force Orgs that give extra LoW slots. Lords of War can't be more than 25% of your points, though, so 8k+ for the Manta.

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>>52204760

Thanks for the insight, anon.

I also forgot to ask about what the deal is with things becoming obsolete when the rules change or a codex gets updated. As in either no longer legal in some way within my current army or just made not viable even in casual play (I have zero interest in competitive gaming of any form).

Does it happen very often, is what I'm asking. I just don't like the idea of my guys who I've assembled and painted losing their worth.

>>52204786
Yup, and now that they've dumped their stock of old generic resin and metal Daemon Princes he's getting phased out of the lore.
Good riddance I say.

>>52204811
>or just made not viable
That's basically the worst outcome of any edition change or new codex.

There are chances previous wargear loadouts might be fucked with, but for the past ~5 editions they've kept most things at least possible. My marine army from 1998 is mostly the same now as it was then, though obviously not exactly the best army in a tournament.

>>52204811
The only things that are likely to be totally phased out are models that are currently only available in resin, and even then i you're playing casual games getting your opponent to agree to use their old rules should be easy.

As for things getting nerfed into oblivion, that's mostly random but Space Marines and Eldar have the lowest chances of any armies for that to happen to them due to favoritism among the writers, overall it is an inevitability that we all have to deal with.

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>>52204762
Dude, Be'lakor has extensive and old background in /WHFB/ with even good character through the novels. You seem to suffer from the " I didn't do my research"itis. Start by going to the Liber Chaotica in which he has an ENTIRE chapter dedicated to him as the Spirit of Chaos Undivided.

>doesn't even manage the incomprehensible otherworldly being angle

He does. You should read about his appearances in the fluff. Like in the "First Prince", "Archaon Everchosen/Lord of Chaos"", and picture related.

>Its clawed feet tolled on the deck like the call of midnight. Shadows scrapped around its ankles, benighted children squalling for the approval of their dark master. The daemon drew itself to its full height, lifting back its horned head and beating out its leathery black wings. The daemon was as lithe as a panther, and though its musculature was harder than stone it had a smooth, ephemeral quality akin to smoked glass. An eight-pointed star, the symbol of Undivided Chaos, shone like a crack in the void from its broad chest. It clenched its fists, muscle gliding across muscle, glorying in its own dark skin. Gustav quailed, enraptured, as the gaze of the demi-god passed briefly over him. Its eyes were a bottomless black, an eternal shadow into which a man might fall, forever fall, and never, ever reach their darkest point.

-Slayer

All who see Be'lakor are horrified and aroused at the same time. Who could blame them?

>Lastly all he does to Abaddon is make him seem like more of a fuckup

Nah, Abaddon realizing he is being used and mamiuplatd by Be'lakor shows his wisdom. He will take the daemons help and like Archaon before him he will kick Be'lakor in his shadowballs when the time is right. I mean you don't want ADB to write a final confrontation between Be'lakor and Abaddon?

>>52204811
Usually the only reason to replace a model would be because a newer/better cast replaces it but other than that it is VERY rare for a model to be completely obsolete and warrant a replacement. I would recommend learning to magnetize and implementing it on any character that offers a good range of wargear options, this will save you some money and make it very easy to adjust to a new meta/codex with these units.

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>>52204623
Is the Heralds Anarchic formation even worth dropping the drake? You get 3 extra WC and gives me a safer Grimoire caddy, as well as the exalted locus for +1 casting which would benefit the extra heralds I'd have.
The other anon in this thread insisted that have both Heralds and Be'lakor in the same list without the heldrake is the superior option

>>52204869
Dude were talking about 40k, fantasy is irrelevant, even more so now that it got AoS'd.

>>52204786
Actually, Be'lakor fits in the place of Malal as the agent of disorder that turns Chaos against itself. Whenever the Gods raise a champion Be'lakor jealousy and bitterness forces him to hunt down and destroy him or her.

Whenever the Chaos Gods unite to forward their plans, It's Be'lakor who seeks to turn these plans upside down and use them to his advantage.

Be'lakor's rebellion and war against he Chaos Gods is very interesting since 40K doesn't have a character like that in the setting. Nearly all daemons and Chaos characters are utterly slaved to the Chaos Gods and don't act against their will. Be'lakor brings a new flavor.

>>52204896
Then it's unfair because Be'lakor is the same in both universes also Be'lakor is only recently getting lore in 40K. He is steadily building up his footprint.

>>52204869
>fantasy
>relevant
>that whole badly written interracial porn description being anything akin to "incomprehensible otherworldly being" and not just cringey in the extreme
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