/WFG/ Warhammer Fantasy General

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Soon.

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Since dwarfs will probably be a hot topic for the near future I'm asking what's the deal with more high tech dwarfs of the old world
where are they
what technological point did they reach
what are the relations with other dwarfs and their view of mythology/religion

possibly about the less chaos aligned ones; I'm mostly interested in zhufbar if I got it right.

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>>52196457
The castle looks rather high-medieval for Dwarves, but still very nice. And Karak Hirn always deserves a little love.

>>52196538
Those are AoS dude, not Old World. They're probably going to be engineers ensnared by warp magic or something, like the Broken Lords of Endless Legend.

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>>52196457
>stone drawbridge

...sure, why not. Let's go with that.

>>52196957
It's only a small part of the bridge. So small that you could relatively easy traverse it. Goddamn Rick

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>>52197032
Dwarves usually compensate with big bridges. I'm sure humans and elves must joke that it's easier to cross a dwarven bridge than to bridge the gap with grudging dwarves.

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http://www.lead-adventure.com/index.php?cPath=22

This range is fucking amazing!
Those cannons are beautiful and the minis have such character.

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>>52196897
>Those are AoS dude, not Old World.
I know, I'm mostly posting that pic as a sort of comparison or to offer parallels for the discussion, but I was asking about the old world itself.

IIrc there were dwarfen pirates exploring and getting lost in the southlands with a flying barge, while age of reckoning had those weird copter-packs, albeit I don't know what was their reception.

>>52196538
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dwarfs_(Warhammer_Fantasy)

That's a mostly complete summary of Warhammer Dwarf info. Its missing some Holds and characters, but its as legit as it gets.

>>52196897
The broken lords were such a cool idea, but they just didn't make sense as a civilization.
Which was sort of the problem with a lot of the Endless Legend civs IMO, like they all defined themselves from straying from a norm that just didn't exist.

>>52197198
I mean the dwarves are all about technological anachronism, I mean they take helicopters to go hit people with axes.

Thing is, if there are more technologically advanced dwarves, we have to ask the question of how they are more advanced.
Did they develop new technology and not share it with the high king? (And is this deliberate, or have they not had contact with Everpeak?)
Did they start mass producing the prototypes a generation or five early?

>>52197363
I'd rather trust the Lexi or the Warhammer wiki over 1d4chan.

>>52197887
That's something that bothered me - as much as people complain about having the generic everyman faction, without it a game can feel confusing, with too many totally unique things slammed together without any sense of direction. Doesn't hurt that it also turns out I suck at Endless Legend.

>>52196538
>what technological point did they reach
Pseudo industrial revolution. They had Ironclads,submarines,gyrocopters,airships and revolvers.

>>52198719
Some of those were available (at least in theory) before the industrial revolution. Most of them weren't as effective as later things (early submarines and revolvers especially), but it kind of makes sense that a race that was so technologically focused might be able to skip past steps real humans had to take to develop such things.

It is fascinating how all of their technological change seems to have little effect on their culture and society like the industrial revolution did.

>>52196897

Dwarfs take pride in old stuff so I imagine most holds are thousands of years old and don't look that different.

>>52199048

I think it's because, while steam is frequently used in battle they still have an artisanal system for crafting stuff. Everything is still hand made rather than spun on a jenny or fabricated.

I bet the Dwarf guilds are so strong they will allow no automation.

>>52199135
This probably also explains why they haven't crushed the other races. If they started building Gyro-copters using automation they would have a massive fleet.

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Just had an idea lads.

With different heads could these guys look like Dwarf marines? Like a boarding party from an ironclad?

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So I'm finally running a game of WFRP again after nearly a six month hiatus and I've got a few new players that are already enjoying it. I've got them running around a town in Nordland trying to find a merchant they were supposed to escort, but have gotten themselves mixed up with a cowardly priest of Ulric, a man posing as a priest of Sigmar and what appears to be a serial killer on the loose with knowledge of surgery and the tools to do it with. The last two are connected with a cult of Nurgle that goes up to a Nordland baron and his family.

But for later I want to introduce an antagonist that can show up later on, a daemon that doesn't necessarily want to kill them but just likes fucking with them. Taking the image of a man in a cloak with theatre mask, but is creepily thin, and changes his expression by passing his hand over the mask. My question is what sort of sound effect would you use for a creature like this? I was thinking of just ripping some Aku laughs and put it on my tablet but I think that might be a little too obvious.

>>52199332
Well, they do look vaguely like boiler suits. You could even fluff them out as mining gear too.

>>52199332
With the right paint scheme, sure.

Althought I'd probably swap out their weapons too for more traditional fare.

Sidenote:
I've been clicking on "Houses" for captcha for like two minutes now.

>>52199515

Yeah I would paint anything that didn't have rivets on a leather colour for a start (I guess I could file the rivets off a lot of the knee pads).

Drop the heads, backpacks and any weapon which isn't an axe or a falchion. I would probably keep the billhook on the champion.

Then see what I can proxy them as. Maybe miners but they can only emerge from water or something.

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>>52199515
Capcha is retarded sometimes. Sometimes those pictures disappear so slowly and even if you've selected 10 stores it STILL says you got it wrong.

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>>52199588
They kind of remind me of some clothing from a Fallout 3 DLC - not the best inspiration, sure, but I think it'd be good for getting a sense of thick clothing with metal overlaying it. And might be a good start on colors.

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>The only people who treat the Warhammer IP with respect and decency are greedy vidya game devs.

By Sigmar what has the world come to?

>>52202700
CA is your stepdad. Not the best, but better than your biological deadbeat father.

Green Knight voice still sucks, though.

>>52199083
"Aye, I could attach gimballed cannons to the external of this wall, but that would ruin the finish me great great great great grandfather laid down, and if I did that he'd whip me round the ears come dinner time."

>>52196957
SUPERIOR DAWI CRAFTSMANSHIP!

>>52202700
Holy Sigmar, bless this ravaged franchise!

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>When you shatter that pansy faggot elves flimsy sword.

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>>52203287
>>tfw you killl artur for being a team killing faggot

>>52199332
god these are shit

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>>52202735
>CA is your stepdad. Not the best, but better than your biological deadbeat father.

A good analogy. Sure is a shame papa GW treated the setting so poorly and then gave it a terrible sendoff. I've been really into Fantasy lately and off of 40K. Sometimes I can forget that Fantasy as we knew it is long gone. It's sort of depressing.

At least we have 30 years of editions, books, models and other fun stuff to play with anyway. It's the same way I look at Star Wars after Disney consumed it. At least we have the past.

>>52203308
wait, I don't know much about sigmar era warhammer, did he meet gilles?

>>52199332
They are pretty much exactly that
What heads were you thinking about?

>>52203459
Sigmar predates Gilles by almost a thousand years.

But Gilles is arguably more badass. Fucker was dying and said "You know what? FUCK dying." and pulled a fucking giant spear out of his chest and killed three wyverns with it. In his fucking pajamas.

>>52203435
Basically. We have so much setting to draw on. My own 'canon' version in WFRP has advanced 20 years into the future.

I've said it once, and it wasn't funny the first time, and I'll say it again. CA is the step dad desperately trying to win your love, though he sometimes makes you buy breakfast. GW is the deadbeat dad that blames you for all his failings.

>>52203487
>Sigmar predates Gilles by almost a thousand years.
Then what Arthur did sigmar fuck up?>>52203308

>>52203652
Artur was a paranoid fucker that was almost smack dab in the middle of Sigmar's proposed Empire, also in command in the most defensible position in the land that wasn't dawi controlled. Artur refused to give command of his tribe to Sigmar, so Sigmar was forced to slay him. Also, he stumbled through the Flame of Ulric which solidified his rule.

Artur could have joined Sigmars confederation but was slain and replaced.

Hey so I've bee. Hunting for artwork/conversions of female wild riders, I haven't seen anything in the lore saying the wild riders aren't boys club. But can find nothing on girl ones.
Asking as I want to have my wild riders a mixed gender unit

>>52204425
I'm not sure if the wild riders have a masculinity/fertility theme going on with orion, but just fuck it and do eet
blood covered forest boobs are both hot and cool
like spring

>>52199048
>It is fascinating how all of their technological change seems to have little effect on their culture and society like the industrial revolution did.

I'd attribute that mainly to the situation of their society vs ours. Britain certainly fought plenty of wars during the Industrial Revolution, but these were for the most part far-flung affairs, against enemies that couldn't directly invade Britain. Closest really was Napoleon and he couldn't cross the Channel. So things at home could continue more or less uninterrupted by events elsewhere, and there isn't an air of desperation about things.

Dwarves face a totally different situation, more akin to Germany in 1944. They're being invaded from all sides by tenacious enemies, and holding on for grim death to what they have. Just like Germany, they're producing fantastically high tech, but it's all being devoted towards the war effort. Social change can't really happen when you're fighting for your existence constantly. One of the main drivers of change in the Industrial Revolution for example was transport. Imagine if the Dwarfs didn't have to face constant attacks from Skaven, Goblins and Orcs all through the Underway. Steam trains linking the various holds WOULD lead to gigantic social changes. But you don't have the luxury of devoting that much time and resources to projects like that when every steam engine you make is needed on the front lines.

>check /AoS/ threads

Okay guys why do you insist on shitting up that thread. Your usage of terminology like "numale" and "cuck" really shows the color on this lingering fanbase. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

>>52204629
>not knowing about the Total Warhammer fanbase
That's why you see colorful insults such as cuck, numale and hillary supporter.

>>52204629
it's eight-chan anon

>>52204485
what bodies do you think would match the wild riders best anon?, sisters of the thorn is the easy go to, but are there better savager looking wood elf ones?

>>52204804
body wise I should specify

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>>52203487
>But Gilles is arguably more badass
Oh look, we have a Questing Knight in the thread

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>>52204862
Based on the novels, Sigmar took on a dragon ogre and barely won. He also barely took on a Bloodthirster after it was wounded. I'm only using the facts.

>>52204926
He stared down and beat Nagash.

What did Giles ever do?

>>52204933
Barely. Nagash could have easily killed him, even in his weakened state. The crown was his weakness and it was only through that was Sigmar able to destroy him.

A shame we never got a Bretonnian novel from someone who didn't hate Bretonnia.

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>>52204926
>Bretonnians think Dragon Ogre and Bloodthirster are weaker than Wyvern (Probably never saw one)
>Being wounded by a spear and killing thre big lizards somehow tops ascending to godhood
That's what you get for being inbred isolationist country, mate

>>52205067
I never said that. Only that Gilles hopped out of bed and slew three wyverns with a spear he pulled out of his own chest, or so the legends go. It's why I say it's a shame we never got a Gilles le Breton 'Time of Legends' book.

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>mfw bretcucks in this thread.

>>52205526
rude

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Has anyone ever actually tried the McDeath campaign, or a more recent emulation of it?

Always a bit of a fuss about it in the Oldhammer community.

>>52204629
>not recognising the slavposter

But of course, keep blaming the scapegoat, it will surely not build a fanbase that lashes aggressively at every POV that isn't the supported one and encourage people to contribute.

>>52204804
The best thing would be kitbashing witch elves I'd say

>>52203475

Not sure, I plan on getting 30 Hammerers, I think they come with spare heads don't they? I would prefer ones without helmets and then I can green stuff some eye patches and bandanas on them.

>>52205647

Nah I've never played it. It seems like a big deal though, people always go on about it and the models that were never released for some of the characters.

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Soon.

>>52204629

They troll you because you rise to the bait so easily. They try it here now and again and they get ignored.

>>52197032
I doubt it, it looks to be 4 times the width of a man judging by the models on it. Some people could probably jump that but if you fail you're dead and you have hundreds of angry midgets shooting bolts at you.

>>52206625
the ones without helmets are few
from gw range the ones where you can get the most bald heads are probably the basic fyreslayers (since the helmet is made of separate pieces as far as I know), but without conversions the symmetric beards may look bad and you would get a lot of possibly useless bodies if you don't look for the heads separately.

avatars of war had a kit for rangers with some heads having bandanas and patches, I don't remember how many and I'm not even sure the head is separated from the body there, but the more options the better, I guess.

>>52199332
not sure why I like these so much. they look the right kind of "modern" dwarfy without reverting to Blizzard-style overcompensation

>>52204425
I suggest dryad figures (customising) or just some greenstuff for added form. add some DE bitz and you're good to go really.

>>52206745

I'm getting some of the Avatars of War Dwarfs but unfortunately all the heads as sculpted onto the torso.

Prisoner obviously. How else am I to start the violent gang rape group? First i'd offer my own hole as a release for the lads then after a few weeks warm them up to the idea of taking turns. Eventually the guards are going to get jealous of our hole stretching sessions and willingly submit to our group. One by one they will be corrupted and have their holes violated until everyone has joined.

There will be no division, no hate, no pain.
Only the holes and filling them will matter.

And they shall be led by me, The Great Gape Anon the First.
I shall lead their minds into the light of pleasure and their shafts into holes of dark.

>>52206820
Shit wrong thread, ignore this.

>>52204425

There is nothing forbidding female, in theory, but thematically they are the retinue of Orion's, just like the sisters are the retinue of the Queen

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>>52206833
Nope, now we need context.

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>>52206820
I don't know what lads you're talking about but good luck

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>>52206820

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>>52206833
Now we won't you Slaaneshi cultist

Are gryphons and demigryphs pegasai and dragons all "natural" animals and not Chaos monsters?

>>52197994
The Lexi and Wiki are badly incomplete and reference End Times.

That 1d4 article is actually legit.

>>52207371

The Warhammer wikia is probably the best one.

They have about 4000 articles now, all of them with sources.

Lexicanum is a mess on the Fantasy side, nobody cared enough, the German version was quite good though.

1d4chan is comedy, nothing more.

>>52207141
practically everything is a mutant from the great catastrophe

except dragons who happened to be there before and may or may not be related to a lot of other reptilian beasts and speciations.

>>52207371
>>52207399

1d4chan is a wannabe tvtropes

>>52207399
Having 40k is a detractor, not a positive.

>>52207688

This is a joke right...

4000 articles, not fucking 40,000 keks.

>>52196381
>McDeath
And these people attempt to make fun of AoS...

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Would red Daemonettes work? Or would it be too Khorny?

>>52207766
yes they would

but I recommend some cream or ivory somewhere

>>52206820
Hmm

>>52207760

The things is, these were tongue in cheek. AoS has 'death rattlers' but actually takes them seriously.

>>52208380
Just like 40k. Take out the Judge Dredd and you have trash.

>>52206664
Smash em right in the face

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Is there a high res version of this?

>>52198719
Also mechanical arms and power armour.

>>52208943
Internal combustion until GW retconned it.

What Kickstarters are you lot currently backing?

I'm having a hard time deciding between Dwarven Gold Fever, Atlantis Dwarves, and Court Of The Sultana.

>>52209231
Maybe ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous RPG

that PDF they released is a bloated mess though

>>52202735
I still feel like, while they're having fun with the game and trying to make it look pretty, there's not as much polish as in older games in some areas.

For instance, there's no animation for crews rolling/pushing siege weaponry or cannons around. You'd think Warhammer would be the perfect time to revive the officers you'd see in units in Empire Total War. And the campaign portion wavers between good and iffy, especially since you can't move units around without a lord and there are stock garrisons that make sieging large cities a hassle.

>>52207371
I can't trust that 1d4chan article when I can't trust most 1d4chan articles.

Both the Lexi and the Wiki are badly incomplete, yes, but they're still better off overall than all of the 1d4chan articles.

>>52209982
Lex also was full of articles that were bullshit, citing things that had nothing to do with its claims.

Unless you just skip straight to the source you're taking someone's word.

1d4 Dwarfs gets credit for covering both old and new continuity.

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>>52208802
I cant seem to find one srry bro.

Have some Bret art though.

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How do Empire and Bretonnian soldiers handle loot after a battle?

>Pre End Times
>People only play 8th Edition, hate other manifacturers and adhere only to the official, increasingly shitty lore

>Now
>People playing better rulesets
>People being more accepting towards homebrew fluff
>GW can't shit up the fluff anymore
>More manifacturers than ever because they don't have to fear getting sued anymore

>tfw you realize that dying and becoming a revenant really did save WHFB and Nagash was always right

>>52213282
>Brets
Knights have their servants find personal kills and take valuables or torphies, peasants sort out the rest and put anything valuable onto carts to haul back to the castle.

All cocunts are immediately confiscated as soon as they are found.

>Empire
Everything the Witch Hunter doesn't immediately burn is quickly divvied up before he can see it according to pre-agreed shares, then shoved down the shirt or pants of the new owner.

Sven stuffs a Beastman head down his pants with the face sticking out, everyone has a good laugh, the Witch Hunter sees this and gives him a snarling lesson on Heresy and Taint before backhanding him. That night Sven's penis becomes self-aware and prepares to take over Sven's mind and create a Chaos cult.

>>52213536
Considering TWW is mainstream its actually more alive than before, just in a different form.

So...Frostheart Phoenix? Or went from a dying old man to a Vampire Lord?

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>>52213536
>8th Edition
>shitty lore
I shiggieth my diggeth

>better rulesets
I will say AoS has made some improvements but also some steps backwards

>GW can't shit up the fluff anymore

They still are by making almost none at all. Setting sounds like it could be made in 10 minutes of brainstorming in a meeting room.

>>52213726
>Likes 8th edition
>Likes CA cancer game

I am not surprised

>>52213773
What is wrong with the game?

>>52212196

I don't know what's going on in this image, but I like it.

>>52213536

I don't know why people get so butt-blasted about post-6th edition lore, they changed next to nothing and basically just froze the setting. They only retconned the Storm of Chaos when the End Times came out, but since nobody here cares about the End Times 8th edition did nothing wrong.

I agree with the rest though, although getting games is a bit harder. Everyone has a raging hard-on for 9th Age in my area.

>>52213726

> Better rule-sets.
> Assumes AoS.

No anon.

>>52213961
Sorry I implied.

I am really drugged out from getting my wisdom teeth pulled.

>>52213773
HEY, FUCK YOU.

Total Warhammer is awesome.

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>>52213773
this guy must be a chaos dwarf player.

One day little buddy, just hang in there ;')

obviously the dlc policy is shit but that's been the case for every damn total war game following med 2. This is the only one I've actually bought heaps of dlc's for, I have over 1000 hours in it. it's even eclipsed my med 2/attila playtime combined

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>>52215684
>>52213773
Dawi Zharr BTFO

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>>52215818
It must really suck being a fan of a meme army that hardly even exists.

Are Chaos Dwarves the WHFB equivalent of 40K's Sisters?

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>>52215870
Sort of, but I think Sisters have a stronger relevance in the lore in some spots - the Age of Apostasy, Celestine in this new thing, the discovery of the Necrons.

Chaos Dwarves barely interact with the outside world, and are really just an excuse for better weaponry for the forces of Chaos most of the time. They're also awkwardly straddling a spot of the world that's supposed to be home to Human and Dwarven trade routes to the east.

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>People are still saying 'Dwarves' instead of 'Dwarfs' when pluralizing 'Dwarf' in a Warhammer context.

>>52216397
Did that Dwarf activate the IDDQD cheat?

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>>52216397

>>52215818
>Chaos Dwarfs will be the most relevant they've ever been or will be if they ever turn up in the game
Just like how the beastmen get to be actual winners instead of unlimited cannon fodder

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Is it worth getting mods for Total Warhammer, especially when I don't have all the DLCs?

Mostly all I want is the equivalent of the Empire Total Faction mod for Empire Total War, letting me play as all the minor factions. But I'd like to get a general sense of what mods are worth getting for getting a full WFB feel, and which ones are worth waiting until something offical comes out.

>>52218525
Go to the /vg/ general and there is a list of "essentials"

They actually do make it much better.

>>52218525
Get the mods that remove or replace the "forced march" stance.

Ignore or flip off any faggot who dares even think of suggesting the "no floppy hats" mod.

>>52218619
>no floppy hats mod

Is that seriously a thing? What next, "make the Empire generic fantasyland that would even make Bretonnians feel special" mod?

>>52218681
Yes it is, alongside a few stupid mods that make State Troops wear full-plate armour while still having the same, squishy stats.

>>52218719
I love the mod that makes state troops the province colors they were recruited in.

>>52218924
Yeah, the ones that add color and variety to the State Troops, without doing stupid bullshit like taking away their iconic hats and making them wear useless non-functioning plate, are actually pretty good.

>>52216397

I know right...

Fookin' Wazzocks.

>>52215818

Data miners have found that Chaos Dwarfs are in.

Tall hats and curly beards will come to you, but only if you praise Hashut with all your heart.

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>>52221042
DELET

>>52221042
Hashut is easily my favourite god.

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>>52221081
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

>>52221042
I'm really awaiting what they will do with them, they will have much more freedom with an army that didn't have an army book for so long. Or may they just stick with their last update?

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The more I learn about the End Times the angrier I get.

I came into the hobby just at the start of AoS and I hate it. But Fantasy is dead and gone now. Should I just smile and be happy that it happened? I mean my god, the way Thorgrim and Belegar were dealt with is unforgivable.

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>>52221081
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS!

>>52221319
If you like dwarfs and feel the need to find some joy in the end times go to josh Reynolds novel and look for the last shieldwall

magnificent stunty fucks

>>52221243

I'd like to see them go with a mix of the 5th/6th edition range and the Forgeworld one.

I hope they bring Hobgoblins back as the main slave unit.

>>52221412
Is that in a mega repository at all?

>>52221412

I like AoS (dodges avalanche of stones) but you've gotta say that ET was a colossal shit-fest. Still, Lord of the End Times was glorious. You've gotta hand it to Josh Reynolds, he tried his damned best to give a decent goodbye to the series.

>>52221441
I don't remember, maybe

>>52221465
He really did

I wonder if his ask.fm account is still open to gather all his unofficial explanation of the offscreens events of the end times

>>52221441

Should be, all the ET stuff was digital and will be there.

>>52221319
Eh, just treat it as if there's multiple timelines. That's what they did with Storm of Chaos and Age of Reckoning.

Fluff question, if a skaven warlord buys/rents something from an engineering clan for a battle, will they keep their own clan colors or adopt the warlords colors?

Does anyone know what book I can use for information on marienburg? It's not in sigmar's heirs, so where can I find it.

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>>52223649
Id say that its like when a greenskin tribe absorbs another tribe, the menbers of the former tribe adopt the new icons but keep some of their own. See the top banners that belonged to a wolf rider goblin tribe that was absorbed to an orc tribe

>>52221243
Judging from Bretonnia - aside from a few new units mainly for the sake of keeping things balanced, they mostly stuck with the last edition formula - I imagine that's what they'd do with Chaos Dwarves. They could have been creative and experimented in both cases, but they didn't have the time, means, or possibly just the inclination.

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>>52221081
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

>>52224103

There's a little bit in the 8th edition Empire book and the Colours and Heraldry book for Empire.

Are you sure that it isn't in Sigmar's Heirs though? I could have sworn they talked about the council they have and they layout of the islands.

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>>52225273
D A W I
A
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Found some interesting stuff on Tumblr.

http://throren.tumblr.com/post/117550992585/have-some-epic-dwarf-beardage-courtesy-of-the-8th

http://fightingfantasist.tumblr.com/post/129224405667/what-if-i-told-you-that-in-wd215-november-1997

http://fuckyeahbritisholdschoolgaming.tumblr.com/post/145014094524/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-launch-splash-from

>>52225258

Or they knew the autists would flip their shit if they changed too much.

They played it safe and I can't blame them. They want to make a game based off of Warhammer and not carry it on as its new owners.

>>52223649

Totally depends.

Skaven are selfish and arrogant so they would probably put their own heraldry on something to take the credit.

On the other hand, they're lazy and fuck so they may not be bothered.

>>52223649
The clan engineers will be operating it, so it could go either way.

It comes down to your canon, not theirs.

>>52225322
And I can't really blame them either. I know some people were grumbling over foot squires and hippogryph knights, even as they were mad that their ideas for Bretonnian units didn't magically get in.

But I think it's just how Total War games work - Warhammer aside, they've based themselves strongly off of history and built off of what was already there. They aren't going to try and innovate (aside from what's needed to make what already is there work) if they don't have to. They're probably just pleased that they can do stuff they normally can't with historical-style games, like magic and flying units.

>>52225825
>roman ninjas
>amazon faction.

>>52226992
Amazons actually existed though, just not a female-only society. They were like short nomads from Asia and the Mid East.

>>52229595

That is one beautiful fucking illustra-

>bird chariots

I am beyond mad

>>52221081
AWAKEN MY ANCESTORS

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How many dwarves would it take to recapture an abandoned Hold?

>>52232097
Seeing screencaps of this game just makes me wish for a proper Warhammer RPG.

>>52213773
Oh yeah. The cancer game is the savior of Warhammer. Its the ONLY reason why new warhammer fans are being introduced to the proper old world.

>>52230210
Well how else with Dark Elves fight gyrocopters, Flying Knights and High Elf Dragons?

>>52235374
Don't they have their own dragons, and harpies?

>>52232097
about 13

>>52230210
I still don't understand how they are sipposed to stop or land, but I find them pretty and elegant

>>52235791
Yes, also these are High Elves in that pic.

>>52232290
>Warhammer RPG

Who would the final boss be?

Archaon?
Drachenfels?
Nagash?
Grimgor Ironhide
Gamesworkshop itself?

I know that Total Warhammer cannot be really considered perfectly in line with the lore in a lot of ways. But something that got me curious was seeing Beastmen raiding Dwarven lands, and spreading some Chaos taint.

What would Chaos taint look like for Dwarves? They don't seem the type to form cults.

>>52236368
Aren't dwarfs, elves, ogres, greenskins and halflings all very resistant or immune to mutation? I think they can just go crazy from it. Maybe I'm miss remembering.

It's the "old races" don't have the mutation flaw unlike those clearly not dwarf designed inferior humans.

>>52223649

If they buy it they can and WILL put their insignas there

If they rent it they won't, but they might "accidentally" forget to return it or "lose" it

What are the most iconic things that WHF has?

Like if someone says "Warhammer Fantasy" to you, what are the first things you think of?

>>52236877
Dwarf Gunline.

>>52236877
Steel, faith, gunpowder, feathers and floppy hats

>>52236877
Skaven

Lots of people meme about Warcraft/40K stuff but Skaven are pretty unique to fantasy for me.

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>>52235952
Who shallbe the First Dwarf?

>>52236877
Chaos warriors, twin tailed comet, witch hunters.

Most iconic races are definitely Empire, Skaven, and Warriors of Chaos.

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>>52236048
If it was a direct adaptation of The Enemy Within (which it should be) the final boss would be a Lord of Change called Sheerargetru.

>>52230210

They were a bit goofy but I didn't mind them too much.

They were quite cool if you imagined them fighting on the seas between ships.

>>52232097

> Green level axe and shield.

What a scrub.

It would probably take hundreds. The Goblins or Skaven who capture the hold can use the defences against the Dwarfs.

Unless there's a secret passage.

>>52236877

The early modern period/age of pike and shote.

It separates it from about 90% of other Fantasy settings which are medieval.

>>52234541
K E K

>>52232097
Twenty Goodhalfmen

>>52236877
chaos warrior and warrior priest come to mind easily

>>52199332
That's not a bad idea at all actually.

>>52238849
Yup. Both the images of demon vikings and monks with giant hammers are what initially piqued my interest in the franchise.

>>52236877
slayers for sure.

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>>52236877
Goblins. Specifically Fanatics, Squigs, Pump-Wagons, Doom Divers and the Bad Moon and Evil Sun.

Some of the general theme is shared by 40k Orks. But they don't have Goblins the same way Fantasy does.
And the kind of humour is emblematic of Warhammer.

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>>52240237
>But they don't have goblins
Don't gretchen count?

>>52236877
A wall of Empire halberds, some sort of clockwork contraption, a huge city with a little bit of everything inside of it...

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>>52240303
They're not the same, I feel. Mostly they play second-fiddle to the Orks.

You can make an interesting and varied army with Night Goblins alone whereas you might struggle a bit with 40k Grots.

>>52240348

Forge World tried to open them up by giving them tankettes but nobody cared sadly.

>>52241077
Probably because anyone could scratchbuild better models.

>>52242339
The models were fairly cool, but anyone could scratchbuild CHEAPER models.

>>52241077
I liked the tankettes, but I've seen them get more use in the Armageddon videogame than on the tabletop. Besides, you still can't quite make a mostly Grot army work like a Goblin army can.

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>>52236877
the cover on this box.
I remember seeing it whenever I went to the one geedubs store we have and wondered what it was since the box was way different than the 40k ones
I was a kid, mind you

>>52244989
that is to say, lizardmen in general

>>52244989

It makes me sad in that Age of Shitmar they've been relegated to 'good demons' and lost all their style.

>>52232097
Depends why it fell. Eight Peaks takes hundreds of thousands and more. Kadrin took two.

>>52246729
aesthetics and army identity? Nah fuck that buy sigmarines

>>52236419
"Immune" means you must give into Chaos.
Humans mutate by proximity and lack of will, like a cancer.

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>>52196381

Because it's hard to find people to play a war game that's unsupported, and need a model army. Why not has instead someone run online games of fantasy flight Warhammer fantasy second edition or Mordheim?

>>52246821

People do run online sessions for WFRP here. A guy a few threads ago was wanting players.

I don't really see the point of running a wargame online, without the spectacle of all the models I don't know if I'd be bothered.

>>52246770
Didn't they make Sigmarines two armies just to force more buying?

>>52246821
Warhammer Fantasy is slowly becoming a setting above any specific game. Without the wargane supported and promoted as THE WFB game people will throw it as a theme on any game.

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>>52246821

Has anyone here played the ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous RPG? It's supposed to be an off brand remake of fantasy flight Warhammer fantasy second edition with updated balancing.

>>52248431
I hear there's a lot of bloat

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Dead threads feed Nagash.

>>52250892
that dragon looks awfully healthy for being a zombie

>>52252560
He died a couple of weeks ago. But he got better

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I decided to rebase my dorfs for KoW at last.

>>52248431
how do you pronounce the A in the pic?

Will they put Valten in Total WamHams?

>>52252870
[æ]
Like the a in cat

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Hey guys I am starting up some mordheim warbands with my brother and a friend, we are all new to miniature games and building.
I wanted to make a mercenary warband based on executioners and was wondering do you guys know where i could get some heads with iron masks, cages and just sacks as hoods?
Thanks.

>>52254229
Frostgrave cultists.

>>52252869

I can't understand why you would do this anon.

On single bases you can play every game under the sun.

Now you can only play KoW and I guess Fantasy if your opponent is okay with working out the frontage.

>>52255242
It's more practical, I love KoW, it's the only thing played there and I still have 2 armies left on single bases.

>>52255278

Alright that's fair enough.

Guys I have a question about magic item and mount

So my general is on a griffon. I gave him a cavalry lance, and as a magic item, a runefang as he may walk on foot if the griffon dies ( I have a separate model of him being on the ground )

My question is : can he use the runefang while riding the griffon? Or do the runefang stat apply on his cavalry lance as long as he is mounted?

>>52255604

Yes to the first and no to the second.

The lance and the Runefang are two different weapons and you must choose which you use each round of combat if he is mounted.

Once he has dismountd he can only use the Runefang.

To be honest, giving him a lance seems like a waste of points when he has such an expensive weapon. The monster will do most of the killing anyway and you're basically paying points for what? Like a +1 strength on the charge? Doesn't seems worth it to me.

>>52254229
>>52254285

Those and some of the Empire Flagellants come with iron masks and stuff.

Where I can find more stats for enemies for wfrp 2ed? The bestiary and core is.. disappointing in terms of how many of them there are.

>>52257698
>>52254285
Hey thanks I looked at the cultists and they look nice, as for the Flagellants i like the heads as well but it seems like a real waste to buy a entire box of Flagellants for like 5 heads or so.
Also while i like those I wanted my warband leader to have a the man with the iron mask kind of mask, do you know of any place where you could get one of those?

>>52257798
Is there somewhere pdf with everything statted? For example there are spells for creating ghouls or wraiths but there are no stats of them. FFS.

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>>52258099

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>>52257577
thanks! well, He doesn't really need it, but it looks cool on the model, so yeah

>>52258809
>>52258099
To elaborate - they're right there in OWB. I'm not sure how you missed them.

>>52258809
>>52258848

I am not thinking today. Thanks

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Just played Oblivion again and I was amused by the Dark Elf that talks shit to you in the tutorial dungeon.

It made me wonder, what offensive shit would he say to Warhammer Fantasy races?

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>>52259537
Shit, wrong one.

>>52259571
>dwarfs are "mud-suckers"
>halflings are "runties"

Brilliant.

>>52259571
>Chopping wood: masturbating
Gonna have to start using this

>>52258823

Yeah, I can get that. It does look weird how Karl Franz wouldn't even be able to reach down and hit anyone while on Death Claw.

I'm sure if you had the dismounted model though people wouldn't mind the proxy lance.

can someone post any warhammer stories from some book or something, i cant be assed to torrent and i need a warhammer fix until i can get a computer that can run total war

>>52259712

So what does 'chopping Wood Elves' mean?

>>52261120
Using WE as fleshlights

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NEVER
EVER

>>52262389
RIP

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Man as faithful as it is otherwise, CA really dropped the ball with the Chaos Spawn. They should suck ass instead of being decent,

>>52262776
Idk how good they are but they should cause terror and die easily,

>>52262870
In my experience, they're pretty survivable (though in some sense this is made up for by their low numbers). They can't be broken, and they have poison attacks, which can be especially damning to a defensive line.

>>52246906
If that guy shows up again I would literally kill to play WHFRP again.

>>52262389
Was that the original version that got mauled and butchered into a wow clone?

>>52264118
It got cancelled and Mythic bought the rights and made the wow clone.

The Climax Warhammer Online was a dream game for a lot of people, but that's a bad sign really. Dream games - especially MMOs - have a habit of falling through.

>>52262776

Kek. I can live with them being descent. I mean, they are insane blobs of mutated flesh, being immune to phycology is fine.

>>52263813

If you flip back a few threads I'm sure you'll find he set a session up and linked it.

>>52264928

decent*

Just picked up the reissue of the Island of Blood and was thinking of some High Elves lists. I have no experience what so ever with them but I wanted as many toys as possible, so I tried to get all the elite units in.

Lords
Archmage - 185
Level 4 Wizard - 35
Talisman of Preservation - 45
Book of Hoeth - 55
= 320

Anointed of Asuryan - 210
Ogre Blade - 40
Dragonhelm - 10
Shield of the Merwyrm - 15
= 275

Heroes
Noble - 70
Battle Standard Bearer - 25
Armour of Destiny - 50
Halberd - 2
= 147

Core
39 Spearmen - 351
Sentinel - 10
Musician - 10
Standard Bearer - 10
= 381

14 Archers - 135
Musician - 10
= 145

5 Ellyrian Reavers - 80
5 sets of Bows and Spears - 15
= 95

5 Ellyrian Reavers - 80
5 sets of Bows and Spears - 15
= 95

Rare
20 While Lions of Chrace - 260
Guardian - 10
Musician - 10
Standard Bearer - 10
= 290

18 Swordmasters of Hoeth - 234
Bladelord - 10
Musician - 10
Standard Bearer - 10
= 264

21 Phoenix Guard - 315
Keeper of the Flame - 10
Musician - 10
Standard Bearer - 10
= 345

Special
Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower - 70
= 70

Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower - 70
= 70

Total: 2,497

Mage chills with the archers at the back, Anointed goes with the White Lions to make 21 and the Swordmasters are just going to have to go 6x3, I tried to get them to 21 but just couldn't find the points (which is a real pain in the arse because it means I have to buy another frame for 1 guy).

>>52196381
Question: What size is the minimum point amount for you to have to fun with? I mean, at what point do you feel that the game really excels at what it's trying to do, and is the suggested game size.

>>52265136

You can have 'fun' with 1000 points in my opinion as long as your opponent isn't going balls to the wall. Some armies do not scale well.

For an all comers size it's really 2000 - 2500. At this level the game is as balanced as it ever was.

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Old friend reveal this week, and the Warhammer 2 debut trailer next week. What a time to be alive...

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What's everyone's favourite model of Bugman?

Mine.

>>52265854
The one where he's Shield Bearer for White Dwarf (together with Gotrek).

>>52265260
I need sources pal

how come they removed human rune masters in 2nd edition?

and can vampires in the wfrp learn all the 8 winds of magic, since their souls are more protected from the warp than your average country bumpkin

>>52196381
About Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. I've noticed that firearms are absurdly costly, as in one could literally get 12 crossbows for the cost of a single firearm even though crossbows are of comparative power to a firearm. This doesn't make much sense as the Empire is supposed to have entire units equipped with Firearms and Repeater handguns. Why would anyone think this is balanced from a gameplay perspective? What would be a fair cost?

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>>52266129
I'm not sure how it is in WFRP, but as far as the lore is concerned, vampires and necromancers tend to use Dhar, which is sort of the dark twin of High Elf magic, which uses all 8 winds.

So technically they could probably harness any wind they wanted, but they probably wouldn't split off into any one wind when they could just use Dhar, if that makes any sense.

>>52232097
1
send gotrek and felix there...even nagash would run away form thoes fucks

>>52236877
Chaos warrior, Slayers and Super prices for little plastic man

>>52199135
It's more than that. Dwarfs define worth by skill at a craft. Labor-saving industrialization obviates the need for artisans, and renders dwarfs disposable and interchangeable.

>>52199485
You want infranoise, my friend.

>>52268224
I suggest somewhere around 40 hz, maybe increasing pitch and volume slowly the longer he's in-scene.

>>52266129
Because there are no rune master humans in the lore as of WFRP 2e. For one, dwarfs would never teach that sacred secret to humans. For another, no human could ever manage the art anyway.

Vampires are the only critters that seem capable, RAW, of learning multiple winds of magic and will, by normal progression, usually pick up a dark lore and an arcane lore. Mostly, though, they use dhar, and specifically necromancy.

how is the Mordheim vidya?

>>52268250
but there were runem master hhumans in 1e? and the carreer was so cool too...

>>52268657
Ok but too hard for me, if you could at least save or turn down the difficulty.

>>52265260
>>52266101

ask in reddit.com/r/totalwar

>>52268684
There were half orcs for mushroom orcs too. Guess what? It got squatted. Get over it.

>>52268832
Get the fuck out. Reported

>>52268854
Half orcs are still canon. They are probably Chaos dwarfs experiments.

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>>52264118
>Was that the original version that got mauled and butchered into a wow clone?

Yup.

>turn-based combat inspired by WFRP
>cities full of quests and enemies
>seasonal weather system
>dynamic wounds and injuries
>play as Human, High Elf, Wood Elf, Dwarf, Halfling and Ogre

How could WoW have competed?

>>52269224
Aren't ogres a bit too big for a playable race? I bet they don't even fit most of the Empire buildings.

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>>52269262
That's what I thought, but I guess they found a way around that. Maybe they stoop in interiors?

>>52268965
Source?

>>52269473
I remember them being briefly mentioned in 6th edition in the Orcs & Goblins army book.

Them being experiments is just a personal headcanon based around in the creation of Black Orcs and Red Goblins.

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>>52196381
Just got a good enough graphics card to enjoy Warhammer Total War: Quick question:

Why do some Bretonnian units hold their kite shields upside down?

>>52269590
I noticed it yesterday. It's really weird.

Kindly no Post-6th edition or Total war: warhammer. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

>>52269709

Because age of sigmar killed all the cool stuff that now lives on in TW:W?

>>52269590
Because they are fanatics from communities that have been inbreeding for literally thousands of years.

This is why you don#t expect much of peasants.

>>52269733
>Lives on
Get the fuck out with the shilling "m-muh savior"

>>52265000

Take magic stenadards. Expecially the phoenix one, expecially on the white lions. Then throw them at anything and watch the rape

>>52268657

Pretty faithful adaptation of the game.

I wanted more factions though.

>>52269590
Because they are not knights, its symbolize they are below them.

>>52268657
Badly optimised. Other than that no problems.

>>52269709
Fuck off, we'll talk about Total War if we want.

>>52269590
I like it, it reminds me of church doors

>>52269590

That's not upside down.

If you want to hit an opponent with your shield and you use the pointy end, you have to hit them with the exact point or all the power is lost. If you catch them with the slope it will just slide off them doing nothing.

If you use it that way though, and hit them with the flat end, firstly it's much easier to hit them, and when you do it will transfer all the power of the blow into the enemy regardless of which part of the flat edge hits them.

>>52269709

Wow, I knew AoS was jealous but it's this bad huh?

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get your own game someday, maybe on IOS or something. I mean, this is the same crowd that pays a monthly contract for an army building app, I'm sure GW can squeeze more money out of you.

>>52270345

What should I drop?

Some people say you can get away with 14 Swordmasters?

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>>52262776
>total war warhammer models, animations and map creation will never get used by modders to create a vydia rpg experience

>>52270482

> Implying Fatshark aren't doing this after Vermintide 3.

>>52270501
>Vermintide 3.
wait, there was a 2?

>>52269733
It's literally a different timeline and different universe. Sure a lot of it is similar, but TW:WH is just as different as the SoC timeline or the age of reckoning timeline. Also it's a fucking video game, it's literally off topic and should get you banned on tg
>>52270377
Go shill your video game elsewhere, this is for discussing warhammer fantasy battles in its purest form
>>52270417
>implying I give any amount of shits about splooge of smegmar
7th and 8th are literally the prequel to endtimes and by extension AoS. It's not warhammer

>>52270632
I don't like the ca cancer aswell, but saying that games should be bannable is cancer. Noose yourself

>>52270632
This is warhammer fantasy general, anon. Are you retarded by any chance?

Stop responding to the AoS shitposter. You'd think that you'd learn from him doing this like 20 times.

>>52270735

Yep. It seems they're trying to split the fan-base.

I'm secretly happy that Fantasy's continued success if rustling them so.

>>52270735
Why does AoS attract such uncut autism?

>>52271512

Most of them are 10 years old at the most.

What... don't tell, me adults actually play that shit?

>>52271512
It's basically a fear that if everyone doesn't accept their shit twinkie, it'll go the way of D&D 4e.

>>52270551
that was the joke

>>52270476

Swordmaster seems like the obivious choice, you have no need for 2 heavy hitter units, and they are quite fragile

>>52270643
>>52270668
I'm sick of nu-fantasy cucks who only got into the game during 7th or 8th, after GW raped the lore in preparation for the atrocity that was the endtimes, and after the game had already become a fucking mess in terms of rules and giant overdone models. These faggots are the most vocal grongards screaming about much they hate AoS, when in truth a good number of them DONT EVEN PLAY THE FUCKING GAME and only like the lore because they saw 1d4chan memes once. Literally what loss was in for you faggots? All of your big fancy kits are still usable and supported in AoS and the lore is still stupid.

I'm also sick of FUCKING VIDEO GAMES BEING DISCUSSED ON A BOARD SOECIFICSLLY FOR TRADIDBTJ REEEEEEEEEEEE!!

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>>52272866
I think you need to take a walk and calm down, that or a noose.

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#52272866
I think you need to go fuck off m8.

Stop farming (you)s.

Hey, new poster to this particular board, but an oldschool warhammer player. Been out of the game for a bit.. since about 6th, I think (whatever campaign revived all the ridiculous heroes and spinoff themed lists - storm of chaos, I think?) Anyhow, took a look at AoS, not my cup of beer. Guessing that's the case for most on here.

So - what rule set are most people actually playing with? Seems like a mix between Endhammer, 9th Age, and people just turning back the clock to 7th (or whatever they liked best). Had a guy demo Kings of War for me as well, which seemed like a passable not-warhammer system.

Is one of these far and away the most popular? Or is there no clear choice right now?

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>>52206820
The fuck is this?

>>52206625
>>52206745
Avatars of War actually had another plastic kit of berzerkers with a lot of bald / bare heads. Most pics show them with GW-style mohawks, but those were a separate bit you could leave off.

>>52272336
This.

Some enjoy it, and I give them the fact that if you weren't invested in it then AoS may as well be Infinity or Malifaux with the baggage of a lot of people hating it for reasons that don't affect them.

I hate the game, not the players.

>>52270632
>Also it's a fucking video game, it's literally off topic and should get you banned on tg

You know Elder Scrolls has never had any form of tabletop, not even TES Monopoly, but we have 24/7 threads and have for closer to a fucking decade than not?

Basically if you don't like it, complain to mods. Or report posts. Eventually you'll be right as they enforce it, or objectively wrong as they ban you for false reporting.

>>52269510
I still like the headcanon that one anon had about fungal spores which affect humans and make them like greenskins.

>>52268657
Ignore the RNG. It lies.
Don't rely on it at all.

Otherwise good.

>>52272866
Hang yourself fag.

>>52272866
>Video games have now existed for over 50 years.
>Video games are now traditional as they span 2 generations, handed down from father to son.

Hear the song of my people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7zv0bCJg_E

>>52273383
Depends on your area. In my country KoW is the most widespread system. May be different elsewhere.

Wfrp question. What interesting can players find in deep catacombs under sigmars chapel?

>>52274633
Anything confiscated from Chaos or Necromancers/Vampires.

Including 40k gear the Chaos Gods give to their Champions.

>>52274745
Any ideas for interesting confiscated Chaos items? Or rmaybe page of Tome of Corruption where I can find them

>>52274526
>Depends on your area. In my country KoW is the most widespread system. May be different elsewhere.
I don't think there's much consensus locally. Anybody have opinions on which is "best" (extremely subjective, I know)?

My brief experience with Kings of War was positive - I especially like how fast it plays. I think we played a 1500-point equivalent (going by model count) in about an hour. My only reservation with it is that some of the rules sections, especially artillery and magic, seem very "flat".. maybe "sparse" is a better word.

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>>52269590
I imagine there are two reasons that this might be:

One, it's just peasants being stupid. Men-at-Arms might be told how to hold a shield properly (though they seem to mess that up sometimes too), but fanatics would have no such training. You might laugh at the idea of someone not knowing something so basic, but in Bretonnia the nobility would probably go out of their way to avoid letting peasants arm themselves or learn any sort of martial skills unless absolutely necessary. Control of information is totally possible, especially when peasants can rarely leave their villages. If you're more hopeful, you might argue that peasants could be attempting to make themselves look stupid so that nobles leave them alone because they seem harmless.

The other reason I can think of is that they're trying to avoid some law that hasn't been expressed directly in the lore. Maybe it's technically illegal to use the armaments of a knight, but they can get around it somehow by holding the shields upside down, covering the grail symbols with parchment or cloth, and using swords that are obviously broken or rusted. Or maybe it's because the Grail symbol is only used by Grail Knights, so it would be dishonorable for them to show it, or showing deference.

There's also a vague idea that this might be intentional, that as foot troops they want to protect their legs and lower body in a way that's not feasible with shields meant to be used by knights.

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Hello everyone, got an upcoming match of triumph & treachery down at my club with four other people. As a newcomer to the hobby I'd love to hear your take on the army I'm thinking of bringing. I'm interested in whatever opinions you might have. As a player I prefer fun before highly competitive playstyles.

I think that the other players will bring Wood Elves/Orcs, Dark Elves, Bretonnia and Vampire Counts.

Everyone brings 1500 points.

The army is the following:

Sorc Lord + MoN + Lore of Death + Lvl 4 Wizard + Palanquin of Nurgle + Dispel Scroll + Enchanted Shield + Potion of Speed + Talisman of Preservation + Flaming Breath.

Festus the Leechlord.

2x5 Chaos Warhounds.

17x Chaos Warriors + MoN + Halberds + Full Command.

17x Chaos Warriors + MoN + Shields + Full Command + Gleaming Pennant.

Gorebeast Chariot + MoN.

The Sorc Lord goes into the shield-wielding unit of Warriors and Festus goes into the one with Halberds.
The idea behind the Sorc Lord is to have a strong wizard who is capable, through Flame Breath and Potion of Speed, to bring down or atleast severly wound most characters that are thrown his way.

>>52275727

>fun lists
>level 4 death mage


Brets should be a piece of cake.

Careful since nobody is packing artillery and so the WE player might be tempted to run Treeman & treekin which you have literally nothing to kill of, expecially if he goes with level 4 lore of life mage.

Try to not get your warriors in combat with zombies, as they can and will tarpit them for all eternity. Also be careful of a swooping terrorgeist on your lord. Even with discipline 9, a no-wound scream can and will fuck you up. Seriously, if he brings a terrorgeist, it is your number one priority. It can easily one shot or cripple anything in your army.

DE i've never played against, so no idea how to handle them

>>52270632
>7th and 8th are literally the prequel to end times and by extension AoS

If you want to play that game, it can be argued how the first edition of Warhammer was the prequel to the second edition, and so on and so on until End Times and by extension AoS.

TW:WH is trying to adapt the setting in a way that would make sense for a videogame, and in a lot of ways is very close to the actual lore. An adaptation like that can't really be 1:1 in line with the setting, especially if some changes are just easier - like having Boris Todbringer openly contesting the Emperor's election instead of just falling in line and quickly becoming a fast friend of Franz, or avoiding the conflict with Bretonnia that should happen after Karl Franz gets crowned and was one of his first actions as Emperor.

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>>52275960
Thanks for the reply.

I take it that Death Magic is seen as a bit OP? I've heard stories about people basically one shotting the opponent with a well timed Purple Sun of Xereus but my thought was that that was pretty much a once in a life time happen-stance. However when I myself faced it my Festus got roflstomped so I don't doubt that it's a powerful lore. My decision to include it, as I find the nurgle lore to be more appealing fluffwise, is that I need something to kill off characters and large dangerous things. That in combination with that Festus comes with the Nurgle Lore lead me to stick to Death, but I will reconsider if you think it's too much.

>Treeman & treekin which you have literally nothing to kill of, expecially if he goes with level 4 lore of life mage.
I was hoping that my Warriors of Nurgle with Halberds and Festus' poision would be able to take care of such things. If that fails I do have the flaming breath on my Sorc Lord.

>VC tips:
From my limited experience I've noticed that an assissting charge and the follow up-combat from a gorebeast chariot is quite handy when it comes to dealing with zombies, but I will definitely be aware of getting stuck in a tarpit.
I will definitely try to crush any terrorgheist that might be thrown against me ASAP. Those things are killers.

>>52276227
Any death spell can rape 80% of models on the board

>>52275701
>No lumberjacks or poachers

Eh..

>>52268657
It's fine. It works, it's Mordeimy, I just can't get excited for it. The design decisions kind of left me with a bad taste in my mouth and so I don't get into it.

>>52276530
Are you suggesting that I should change lore to that of Nurgle? In such case I would have two wizards with the lore of Nurgle.