Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>52181088
>WAAAAH

What is it with the Orks and Ullanor which later became Armageddon?

Is there something important there for them?

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Second for grandpa

>>52181145
>you will never bury your dick into that T H I C C butt until it rots off
Why live

>>52181134
Yes, it's their homeworld and where the next Beast will appear.

>>52181164
No, Abaddon and his chosen killed tons of them.

>>52181088

>Valhalans led by Yarrick
>Not Steel legion
Folding-stock lasguns when?

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Anyone have any luck running Guilliman so far??

finished manticore, pls r8!

>>52181219
c.M31 THE HORUS HERESY

>After the Warmaster Horus’ treachery is revealed, an early incarnation of the Officio Assassinorum sends four operatives, one from each of the major temples, to hunt down and destroy the traitor Primarch. All four are found wanting, for Horus is powerful beyond the reach of mortal men, and his destiny lies elsewhere.

>999.M41 THE FOE UNTOUCHABLE

>Within the Eye of Terror, a Black Crusade of unprecedented size musters to break open the Cadian Gate. Rumours abound that its supreme warlord is empowered by the Gods of Chaos, and that whilst he enjoys their favour, cannot be laid low by mortal weaponry. The agents of the Officio Assassinorum are dispatched en masse to slay the Warmaster Abaddon and his most favoured lieutenants before they breach realspace. One by one they reach a succession of grisly ends, and still Abaddon remains at large.

Here is the related text. Assassins suck.

>>52181134
Wait, was it confirmed that Armaggedon was Ullanor?

Funny, I remember an anon here who predicted that when the Beast serie started, he must be gloating.

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9th for Cadia! It blew up

>>52181238

Lipstick tubes/10.

>>52181255
Yes, the Tech Priests teleported Ullanor to another system and its sudden materialisation in that system caused untold havoc on the worlds of the system hence why Imperials named it Armageddon.

>>52181271
fuck, lol i see it now

>>52181261
Time for the Orphans of the Storm to give up their place as IG poster boys to someone else, and hopefully several regiments at once with multi parts kits.

>>52181238
Gj anon, maybe a teensy bit more silver weathering, but looksgood.

Would have drilled the smoke launcher though.

>>52181261

That image makes no sense to me. Why would you want to go anywhere near that even when it's dead and why is he having a break when there are still shitloads of them attacking?

I knew the Guard was sloppy but I assumed they could maintain even this basic discipline.

>>52181261
With these fucking slackers, it's no wonder.

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>>52181088
I mean I like the idea of playing The Fallen but I just can't shake the feeling that they are a little to overcosted.

nth for Vindicaires can't shoot straight, Callidus can't disguise, Eversor can't kill things but Culexus is really good at shutting down non psykers!

Codex: Culexus when?

>>52181286

It looks good otherwise. Maybe just pick a different colour.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12526982/

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>>52181294
>Would have drilled the smoke launcher though.
thanks anon. i was under the impression that smoke launchers were capped??

>>52181355

The ones on Guard vehicles are, so you can just leave them.

>>52181328
>Callidus can't disguise

They cannot disguise as psykers or races that can detect things. There is zero recent fluff about them disguising as craftworld Eldar successfully.

>Culexus is really good at shutting down non psykers!

Their animus device amplifies their soulless aura to the point that it causes mental trauma to non-psykers and their negative warp blasts destroy souls of their targets regardless what they are. Also their touch steals the souls and the life force of their victims. One touch and you are dead.

>>52181306
Soldiers take micronaps in combat all the time, it's a physical necessity for non-astartes anon.

>>52181355
>thanks anon. i was under the impression that smoke launchers were capped??
40k smoke launchers are just grenade launchers with really limited ammo. The only guard I could see using more modern ones would be like, Elysians, because MODERN WARFARE is their hat.

>>52181355
That implies that A) the mechanicum knows what its doing and B) that they haven't been fired yet.

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>>52181261
Every soldier needs a rest.

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When?

>>52181408

>There is zero recent fluff about them disguising as craftworld Eldar successfully.

Inquisition War did, but those books had Banshees firing lasguns and all sorts of weird shit.

>>52181452
>recent
>rogue trader

>>52181415

Yeah but not in the middle of a fucking battle.

Nobody at the Somme said 'hang on Sargent, we can't attack yet, I haven't finished my power nap'.

>>52181452
That's a heretic tome which means non-canon.

>>52181408
>They cannot disguise as psykers or races that can detect things. There is zero recent fluff about them disguising as craftworld Eldar successfully.
Even the one example of a callidius assassin disguising as a craftworld eldar (Meh'lindi in Ian Watson's Inquisition Wars series), she was found out like ten minutes in.

The eldar language is super complicated and contextual and if you haven't actually been to the craftworld you're infiltrating, you'll miss out on the lingo and sound like a wetback speaking spanglish in the middle of like, 1800's upper class england.

>>52181408
Telling me a Callidus can't spray some ethereal stink on herself? Disguising is literally their job. And they're supposed to be spastically good at it even when it defies logic.

>>52181482
>"Hola hombres my name esta John Willington"
>"What in the jolly good pip-pip rumbly-tumbly heavens is this Mexican chap doing in our town."

>>52181442
Within 2 years based upon the streams.

>>52181482

Also, Meh'lindi was kinda retarded and didn't know fuck about nothing.

>"What's a Phoenix Lord?"

>>52181495
The Imperium never discovered what causes the Tau to be hyper devoted to the Ethereals. The pheromones thing is just a theory among many that were never confirmed even when the Imperials did experiments on captured Ethereals.

So you are a moron for continuously bringing it up.

>>52181463
It really depends how long they've been in combat for, if that guardsman has been in combat more than 12 hours he's going to get some rest in no matter what.

And yes, men in big battles did indeed take sleeps during the fighting, the human body is incapable of the kind of energy expenditure involved in fighting for indefinite periods of time.

>>52181531

No anon, it's bad artwork.

>>52181550
It's not though.

>>52181522
iirc that was a thing that even the inquisition wasn't really privy to, at that point in fluff anyways.

See also: "What the fuck is the ordo malleus"

>>52181565
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
is bad artwork! cuck cuck!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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cuck cuckity cuck buck fuck cuck!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52181531
Depends on the regiment and the commander. I could see an Elysian or a particularly nice Cadian commander rotating out forces for rest, but no way is some slave driver wannabe Chenkov gonna let his men do anything but die on the blades of some termagants.

>>52181134
Unless I'm mistaken, the Beast was turning Ullanor/Armageddon into an 'Ork Attack Planet', but was interrupted by Vulkan and company before they could finish. Might have something to do with that.

Or more likely its because Orks regard Armageddon as a place they can always go to find a good fight (it's worth noting that the rest of the Imperial worlds in the Armageddon System are either Ork controlled or dealing with a massive Ork problem right now). I blame Yarrick for this.

Oh, also, for whoever asked - The new Gathering Storm book seems to confirm that the Sisters of Silence remained part of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica after the Horus Heresy, but lost a lot of their authority after the Inquisition came around (since they now handle the Black Ships and Witch Hunting)

>>52181528
I've only bought it up once. Did it not occur to you that other people might find that whole thing equally as fucking stupid?

No it didn't, because you're too busy scooping riptide bases into your bag for your game tonight.

>new Armageddon-related release
>Blood Angels featured

Meh, could've been better.

Really hope they rework Chapter Tactics for this or have some unit system. I hate being unable to use Black Templars in standard GW Kill Team.

>>52181596
I can't see any Cadian commander not doing it, it's a terrible military policy not to rotate troops.

>>52181645
Don't lie to me, anon.

Pheromones. Pheromones. Pheromones. Acting as if it's a confirmed knowledge that's widespread in Imperial command is what's stupid. The Imperium have many theories about the Ethereals one of them is that they think they are psykers.

>>52181649
>I can't see any Cadian commander not doing it, it's a terrible military policy not to rotate troops.
Not all Cadian commanders are Creed. There are a few examples here or there of them being just as prone to NO REST FIX BAYONETS AND CHARGE THOSE ORKS bouts of glory-hounding as other regiments.

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Posted this a couple of threads ago.

Got a tournament coming up intended for newbies (of which I am one), with more experienced players allowed (which does scare me to be completely honest) at 1250 points. This will be the first tournament I've gone to and was wondering how this list looked. Ya, I know I'm using nobz, but they come in the start collecting box and I'm not at the point where I own more models than I can fit in an army so I might as well use what I got.
Since this is a relatively low point bracket would it be worth it to instead use the deff dread I have or nah?

So far people have told me it looks pretty good but I wanted to get some more thoughts on it.

>>52181531
You don't rest this close to /Tyranids/ though, you don't rest unless there's 10 miles of plasteel and concrete between you and even then you rest with one eye open. There's Hive tyrants in the background and the bug he's sitting on is one, the rippers among the swarm would be wise to get that biomass back pronto.
It's bad art in the same way that bl books with bugs are usually bad, the artist doesn't understand nids.
It looks cool though

>>52181688
Not him but i shitpost irl with my friends because it makes them more bug like than bugs

>>52181688
Not him but the assumption the disguise specialist wouldn't be able to tell one of the senses (in this case smell) was off is retarded.

>>52181754
This, Callidus are supposed to be hyper-advanced super-elite infiltrators and routinely have to deal with races that have senses beyond the Human spectrum, the fact that the Callidus didn't smell like an Ethereal is a serious oversight, as are plenty of things in that book.

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Am I the only one sick of this Arch fucker and his annoying fans? I actually sincerely loved some of his videos and lore shit but otherwise he's a squeaky annoying fuck and trying to start a doomsayer bandwagon over Dawn of War 3, and always shitting on everything new while his bitchy fans follow him around like sheep.

>>52181802
Eh, his voice annoys me a little bit but I like his videos.

>>52181754
How do you know it's the smell? Like I said we have no confirmation about the pheromones existing. The guys in the Imperium have less knowledge than that. You don't know what Shadowsun found off in the "ethereal".

Anyways, in the Oldcron codex, IIRC, the Deceiver recognised that the person in front of him was an assassin despite the Callidus disguising herself "perfectly". So their disguises are not 100% detection proof.

>>52181802
who

>>52181802
Just watch a different video, like fucking walk away from the computer or something. Nobody's forcing you to watch anything, stop being a little bitch.

I have been playing on tabletop simulator.

Verdict: Good substitute for actual games when times and friend schedules do not permit actual games, good way to try out new lists and play armies you don't own. Not a substitute for enjoyment of painting and modeling aspects of the hobby.

>>52181145
have a grand dad time

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>>52181323

You are like little baby.
Watch this.

>>52181841
The Mont'ka fluff literally says the assassin didn't smell right.

>>52181639
I thought the black ships kept a few sisters of silence around to help deal with the apparent risk of transporting psykers who are more than likely going to die and know it.

>>52181841
Yeah like, the Imperium has actively vivisected ethereals before, and the whole pheromones thing remains just a hypothesis. However they do it, its in a way that is hard to detect even under the scalpel of a magos biologis

>>52181802
He is incredibly shit when it comes to the lore. The headcanon, the assumption that come out of nowhere, the shitty attitude. You guys enabled this cancer.

>>52181841
>the deciever
Well no duh, in Oldcron fluff the C'Tan were Über gods of destruction, iirc.

>>52181868
They did, but not after the heresy. Nowadays you just have inquisitors and acolytes, some of whom either are or employ psychic blanks.

Its explicitly stated in the new Gathering Storm that while the SoS remain part of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica, they operate in secret now to avoid scrutiny and oversight.

>>52181323
>>2 Power fists for champion
Lolwut

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How to fix Khorne Berzerkers:

>2 Attacks base
>Feel No Pain
>Berserk!: units with the Berserk! USR that are locked in combat always make their attacks regardless of casualties inflicted by models with a higher initiative or during overwatch. Any casualties are still removed at the end of the Fight Sub-Phase. Casualties caused by Instand Death are not affected by this rule.
>Khornate Chainaxes are now S+1 AP4
>Same cost for everything

>>52181841
>How do you know it's the smell?

Pheromones or not, it literally says that she figured something was wrong because the Ethereal didn't smell like an Ethereal.

>Anyways, in the Oldcron codex, IIRC, the Deceiver recognised that the person in front of him was an assassin despite the Callidus disguising herself "perfectly".

C'tan are metaphysical demigods that routinely fuck with space, time, matter and all others kinds of physics in ways that even the Necrons can't figure out with pure hyper-advanced machinery, even in their split state. They can basically do whatever the writers want them to do because they don't have conventional quantifiable capabilities.

>>52181884
So what? The Changeling can make a disguise that can fool the Chaos Gods themselves. Just because you are godlike doesn't mean you have 20/20 perception

>>52181323
How much are 5 without any upgrades?

i like the tyranids

>>52181935
me too I just won my 6th game in a row with mine.

>>52181935
>inb4 this gets a shit-ton of replies while my post doesn't

>>52181928
The Changeling is different because it's both a named character and basically the best individual at disguising itself in the entire setting, bar none, by leagues, it's not really comparable. Stealth vs. detection is an opposed effort, the better you are at the former the harder it is for the latter to spot you, and the Changeling BTFO's everyone and everything at disguise.

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>>52181935
>Tyranids confirmed lesser threat than M'kar

Jesus Christ, anon. How can you like them?

>>52181802
I agree with Arch, but I think he could be a little less outspoken in his assertions. I think he doesn't realize a lot of people don't like DOW II. If you look at his non 40k videos its obvious he is more of a realism kinda guy so it shouldn't surprise you he hates where DOW III is going. I'd just ignore his DOW III videos and just stick to his lore. I really like his older more eloquent sounding commentary more than his more outspoken "so and so was a massive fuck twitit so he..." kind of commentary on lore these days though. If you like something a lot and it changes to the enjoyment of the majority but not your opinion it is understandably a reason to be bitter. That's why I don't hold it too much against Arch.

>>52181972
i-i think theyre c-cool

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>>52181957
Don't worry anon.

>>52181972
>How can you like the one true force for good in the universe

>>52181919
I feel like 2 of those 4 changes would suffice. They really should be 2 attacks default though. As it stands you're pretty much always better off with either normal Chaos marines with Marks to save on points, or Khornate Chosen to get 5 attacks on the charge and access to better guns and weapons.

>>52181935
I'm not a big fan but it's ok for us to have different tastes.

>>52181975
I played about fifteen hours of the beta. He's a whiner and people shouldn't give him much attention for dow3

>>52181988
He shitposts in every thread, don't bother with the bait. Probably insecure Abaddon is going to lose his 13Th crusade (again)

>>52182012
It's okay for us to like different things.

>>52181919
Just play the berserkers in an emperors children list so they get all those benefits with fearless on top :^)

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Hey guys, the only thing I don't own in this list is the ranged unit of Wraithguard and the Wraithknight which I'm probably going to pick up in the near future.

Is this a fair list for casual games at my local store? I'm not a great player anyway but I wanna know if this will be called out as cheesy.

>>52182023
>Abaddon losing

Impossible. We have prophecy that has the forces of Chaos reaching Terra. A Golden Warrior will bar their path to the Emperor's throne room. The Golden Warrior who bears the face of a primarch will die to buy the Emperor the time he needs. Narativewise, Abaddon will be the one who kills the Golden Warrior before going to the throne room.

>again

He won the last one too.

>>52181988
They are not cool! Go buy some Necrons, Barring that go play AoS.

>>52182046
Ditch the scatter lasers on the bikes and go for cannons instead of scythes on the guards, and it'd probably be okay actually.

>>52182072
>Impossible. We have prophecy

Not saying I disagree with you, but we've had a lot of prophecies that turned out either to be misinterpreted or rendered completely untrue, it's kinda a thing in 40k that even fate itself shifts and buckles thanks to the Warp's meddling.

Still probably gonna happen, tho'.

>>52181935
>I like an NPC race
FTFY

>>52182094
okay now you're not even trying

>>52182094
Stop liking thing i don't like

>>52182099

Alright sounds good. Shame I didn't magnetize my bike guns though.

>>52182107
le epin npc race meme

>>52182124
Eh, if it's only 3, it'll probably be fine.

>>52182124
It's just a razor saw and some magnets away.

>>52181238
I had luck in killing him. Twice. It took a volley of seven fusion guns and a dark eldar blaster plus a volley of seven wraithcannons and another blaster to kill him the first time. Then he got back up and made the mistake of firing at the wraithguard and killing the attached independent character. This triggered strength from death on the wraithguard causing them to mow him down again. All in all a fantastic expenditure of resources to kill one model.

>>52182130
>H-how can I deflect from my status as an NPC race?
>I know, I'll use le ebin leddit speech meme from 2013!

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>>52182101
Except all that's within is coming to pass. The identity of the Golden Warrior is the only thing that's debatable. Is it Dante or somebody else?

I mean the prophecy about Farsight that lead to Mont'ka was dead on. The only prophecies that fail are the Eldar ones because they intentionally ignore crucial details due to arrogance and hubris.

tyranids had relevance with the genestealers in early lore! tyranids need love not hate! love your great devourer dont fight it! so what if there are 12 consumed galaxies its ok to be the 13th!

>>52181802

His older videos are decent but the current ones... he's become an avatar of 1d4chan, with double the ignorance and wrong assumptions.

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>>52182154
Chaos are also an npc race, since we all know ultramarines are the main characters

>>52182172
>Fantasy
>13 Skaven Lords of Decay
>13 Everchosen marchs

>40K
>13 galaxies invaded by the Tyranids
>13 Black Crusades

13 13 13. What's with this number?

>>52182172
Thirteen is an excellent number to be.

>>52182154
>Implying you shouldn't like NPC races, even if they are NPC races

Tyranids and Orkz are top-tier, I really couldn't give a shit about their W:L ratio.

>>52182156
>The only prophecies that fail are the Eldar ones because they intentionally ignore crucial details due to arrogance and hubris.

I agree with everything in your post except this part, prohpecies inherently may or may not come to pass due to the nature of 40k's 'fate', typically the clearer or stronger visions of the future have a high probability of happening due to the 'convergence of fate' or whatever label the writers want to put on it in the book, but time and causality itself still gets corrupted by the whims of the Warp, and prophecies that had every right to pass are still sometimes discarded, it's a little more existential than just being an idiot.

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Alright guys, finishing my Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company command squad... I did the Commander a week ago, finished the manticore two days ago and now I am finishing the aide de camps...

pls r8, no h8, no b8

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>>52182208
Games Workshop really loves the number 13.

>>52182208
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_(number)

>>52182222
>orks
>npc race
>have names, aren't literally just given designations based on their equipment and/or appearance
>all their special characters' names aren't just imperial nicknames for them

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>>52181261

>the barrel right under his chin

>>52182228
>npc-army
>shitty painjob
Relax, pretty common thing among shiteaters like you

>>52182228

Nice one Anon.
Was it difficult to get the sling to look good?

>>52182043
Zerkers are already Fearless.

>>52182196
Actually, is there anyone on youtube who makes interesting content regarding fluff, but doesn't just read off lexicanum/1d4chan meme theories?

I just got Start Collecting Daemons of Nurgle. Ive commited myself to this dreadful hobby. Great Unclean Ones are either overpriced or look like shit or both so I've got to fill my list out with other stuff. I've been thinking about a second Daemons of Nurgle box, but what other stuff can help out a Daemon player? I'm not trying to do mono god i just think the nurgle stuff is best to start with.

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>>52182222
>Orkz don't even give a zog about their win-loss ratio in-universe
Quads speak the truth my friends. The Boyz are top-tier race in 40k.

>>52181971
Fuck now I want samurai themed necrons

>>52182208
>>52182213
>13th black crusade
>13th tyranid galaxy

just you wait till HIVE FLEET MEGALODON enters in four tangents derived from all the failed hive fleet incursions in the milky way. soon chaos and tyranid will meet in an untold bloodbath while the puny imperium tries to rebuff

>>52182262
the sling was just the dudes overalls

>>52182154
>Implying tyranids aren't the underdog protagonists of the setting
You can do it, hive mind, we believe in you.

>>52182251
>Ants
>npc race
>have names, aren't literally just given designations based on their equipment and/or appearance
>all their special characters' names aren't just imperial nicknames for them

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>>52182271
>get Imperial Knight
>nurglize him
>"Yeah, the GUO of my daemonhorde decided to posess it, so counts as a GUO"
>???
>profit

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>>52182259

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>>52182228
Looks very good. Love those pimp glasses.

>>52182308
>Tau player
Wrong, pleb

>>52182271
Buy a tzeentch and/or khorn start collect kit. All of them contain a nice selection of plastic daemons for a lovely discount.
>tfw no start collecting slaanesh

Just remember to make the skull cannon and flaming chariot.

>>52182315
thanks for the love anon!

>>52182323
i think someone chugged a liter of Hatoraide today

>>52182298
Have you ever met an ant that named itself?

>>52182003
I just wanted to make them worth their cost while keeping it as fluffy as possible. I mean it's ridiculous that a marine that has been both implanted with the Butcher's Nails AND recieved the Mark of Khorne is somehow not angry enough to shrug off wounds like Death Company does.

>>52182292
oh shit now if age of guilliman comes true i can imagine the last gasp of the imperium coming to fight the chaos hordes on terra while the tyranids main hive fleet descends, shadowing the warp and fucking chaos over while all the troops on terra give their last gasp as the emperor ascends to god form and wastes the tyranids and chaos thsu removing tyranids and resetting 40k

>>52182385
Yeah her name was Shadowsun

>>52182271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

>>52182403
>I will reach at every last straw to shitpost about nids
Truly you are autistic.

>>52181919
Needs run and charge instead of the wulfen rule.

How good are the latest Gathering Storm books? Are they as atrocious as Fall of Cadia was?

>>52182430
>atrocious
>Fall of Cadia
kek
Also, nope it's 100% noblebright

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>>52182430
cHECK THE op SEE FOR YOURSELF

>>52182419
nids are the catalyst to the 40k end times. nids descending on the main worlds is the only real shit that will move the timeline forward. nids are a means to an end, the end being the end of 40k

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>>52181864
>>52181925
https://youtu.be/VfEnx19eU6Q

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>>52182447
>nids players really believe this

>>52182401
I'd say the extra attack and +1 strength on the axe would be enough to make them usable. Adding in a Wulfen style benefit to let them swing again might be overkill, unless it's heavily toned down like the EC one. It's also kinda weird to just hand out Feel No Pain to every single cult marine type.

>>52182421
Every unit should be able to run and charge. Prove me wrong.

>>52182430
Based on the reactions I've seen, the Gathering Storm is making all the stuff people gripe about in The Beast Arises seem reasonable by comparison (it helps that the latter books didn't actively fuck up 40k lore like what The Gathering Storm is doing).

reminder there is a genestealer infection on terra. the massive force of the main hive fleet is coming. hive fleet megalodon will crush anything on their way to terra

>>52182482
Is that fat Duncan

>>52182072
Reaching Terra and going into throne room does not mean a win for chaos. It means major fail for Failbaddon.
Emperor will wake up and start totally new Age of Emperor with more copyrights.
Only way for chaos to not loose is to do nothing, as any action lead to it's unavoidable fail. Sure the may win for a bit, destroy universe while at it, but at the end world will be reborn in some way and chaos will be kicked back, so order can have a good fighting chance, so GW can have universe for their products.


Or for additional fuckery after he enters the throne room, fucking Sigmar with gold marines will materialize and trash chaos everchosen. So GW could merge two products in "Age of Two Emperors" and sell new line of products.

Newfag here. Would it be worth starting with Orks now or is 8th definitely on the horizon?

>>52181856
>tabletop simulator
I have found that there's a lack of premade terrain and map textures readily available, otherwise it's a great addon to 40k as a hobby.

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>>52182526
>Would it be worth starting with Orks
greatest regret of my life

>>52182483
Not him, but berzerkers need to be both faster and more durable. a) They're an absolute tippy top tier melee unit in the fluff and b) the whole reason they implant themselves with the nails is to make it so they don't feel pain and move faster.

>>52182550
Why so?

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TYRANIDS ARE CUTE. CUTE!!

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>>52182447
>nids descending on the main worlds is the only real shit that will move the timeline forward.
And yet the bugs are having trouble wiping out ONE empire of angry space mushrooms in the Octarius sector.

>>52181919

2 attacks base and your berserk rule are enough. FNP is already on MoN and it wouldn't be fair to move it to Khorne as well.

>>52182567
Okay, so winning isn't the most important thing in the world right? But losing EVERY game is

its really hard to be an ork. we lose, alot. even when we play really really well, then we barely lose. hopefully the next codex is decent, but intill then we are the most expensive-- moneywise. its frustrating. at the same time you could have a lot of fun being creative with the modeling aspect of the hobby

>>52181145
THIIIIIIIICC

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So I tried to make a small 1000 point list made from the few stuff I have painted and ready. Goal was to make something that could possibly win me some matches but be fun as well.

Dreadnought and the DC non-jumppack squad will be riding in the Stormraven, I know that's committing a lot of points in there but I don't have any drop pods or rhinos yet.

Have the Stormraven come in turn one, hover, have the Dread try and tear up any vehicles and have the DC marines try to clear up some point worthy units.

I'm pretty new still only have 6 or so matches played. Any advice? Tactics?

>>52182591
well ghaz did come in hopped up on WAAAGH bullshit so yeah. once the swarmlord reaches terra its good game non tyranid fags

>>52182482
They play a role of skaven in 40k, so I'd say other anon is right they will descend to eat, eat man things so chaos could reach it's endgame.

>>52182474
I don't have a problem with it, man. Impfags still walk around thinking that their faction is important just because their poster boys are the most attractive to closet shiters, but they get their shit pushed in every time. Damocles, Damnos, Fenris, Cadia.

Their super naruto ninja genja futsu shadow disguise assassin is talked up like she's hot shit but fucks up and can't even kill a wounded Tau in melee, and the fags cry foul. I love it.

People bitch about nidfags, ork fags, taufags, but impfags are easily the worst most deluded fanboys of them all. Every drop of imperial salt is fucking delicious.

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Someone said earlier we may see female space marines soon. If so who would be the first chapter to integrate them? Would it be the Blood Angels since they are already the most femenine chapter?

>>52182612
>FNP is already on MoN and it wouldn't be fair to move it to Khorne as well.
1) MoN gives +1T, not FnP
2) All cult marines should have FnP since they're either too angry or putrid to notice, actively enjoy it, or don't even have a human body that can feel it in the first place.

>>52182651
>They play a role of skaven in 40k
1) Nope
2) There is no EndTimes in 40k.

>>52182654
>Impfags still walk around thinking that their faction is important just because their poster boys are the most attractive to closet shiters

Holy hell, I couldn't give much of a damn who prefers what sort of faction but are you seriously that anti-Imperial that you think the Imperials aren't one of the most important factions in the current setting?

>>52182591
>angry space mushrooms
Not angry, just really fired up!

>>52182655
Probably, though female space marines are really fucking dumb

>>52182615
Hmmm. Thanks. Didn't know that. Just liked the look of them.

>>52182681
1)Yes
2)Yet

>>52182706
>1)Yes
Nope
>2)Yet
Never, we've already in Age of Guilliman

>>52182526
>Would it be worth starting with Orks now
Sure, as long as you understand the Ork mindset of "we don't care about winning or losing, we just like a good an' proppa fight".

Seriously, as an Ork player (who's still a few editions behind and hasn't played on the tabletop for several years now) it's critical that you understand that your win/lose record doesn't matter. What matters is "Are you having fun?" When I was really active, I won 35-40% of the time. Granted, half my opponents fielded the space commi-I mean Tau, so I was already at a disadvantage to begin with. 'course, it made the times I did win all the more enjoyable.

But like >>52182615 said, da boyz have been getting treated like an unlucky grot by GeeDubs lately. Hopefully we'll get a lot of buffs from 8th edition (like, I dunno, a better Initiative than 2 and giving us back the ability to actually LOOT HUMIE VEHICLES instead of this standardized 'looted wagon' nonsense?).

>>52182690
No, I think they're important.


For me to poop on.

>>52182733
I wouldn't say higher than I2 (at least for Boyz, maybe higher for Nobz) is really necessary, but I still have no idea why all Orkz don't have 6+ Feel No Pain by default, going up to 5+ for anything bigger than your standard Nob.

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>>52181719
No one?

>>52182717
>Never, we've already in Age of Guilliman
It is prelude to end times as was shit with Karl Franz becoming magic superhero and other incarnates shit.

>>52182691
I know, but as an Orkfag I just find phrases "You got your ass handed to you by a bunch of angry space mushrooms" amusing as hell. ESPECIALLY when saying it to a smug-as-fuck Tau player.

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>>52182655

I'd honestly rather see them club a puppy with a blunt object than see *another* marine faction release.

>>52182523
Nope.

Abaddon would break his sword and Drach will be released. He then will nom the Emperor.

>>52181719
>Orks
>tournament
Get the fuck out

>>52182817
But Orks are basically target practice for Tau at this point. Both in fluff and tabletop.

I was also just making fun of GW's description of an Ork charge.

>>52181286
Add white stripes or a yellow tip, easy fix mate

>>52182866
>But Orks are basically target practice for Tau at this point. Both in fluff and tabletop.

Isn't everyone?

>>52182654
>Why can't I hold all these riptides?!

>>52182866
As a Tau player Orks are the biggest threat to ideological threat to the Tau greater good.

Eldar and necrons can at least be reasoned with, occasionally. Nids are animals and therefore exempt. Imps defect regularly. And we don't know about chaos.

But orks regularly undermine the idea that every sentient race can find a place in the greater good.

>>52182523
Keep in mind a win for Abaddon isn't necessarily a win for Chaos. There's been a couple of implications that if Abby actually won he'd drop Chaos entirely and just declare himself the new Emperor.

Abaddon is out for the Black Legion, not the Chaos gods.

>>52182989
>Orks
>threat

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This is my second marine ever painted, how'd I do?

>>52182259
I can smell your unpainted Tau from here.

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>>52182483
But every single cult marine SHOULD have Feel No Pain, since they all have it in their fluff. The Berserk rule is merely a cherry on top, because I honestly believe they should be above Wulfen and Death Company in sheer physical stats while having worse equipment, exactly as the fluff says.

>>52182733
I do like the look. Maybe I'll pick up a getting started box. Thanks all!

>>52182156
>The identity of the Golden Warrior is the only thing that's debatable. Is it Dante or somebody else?
It's pretty clearly Gulliman.

>>52182156
inb4 it's Sigismund and that's what that exert at the end of the Talon of Horus was from

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Where were you when AGE OF FUCKING SIGMAR brought back squats?

>>52183030
Guilliman will fight Fulgrim.

>>52182733
>t.betacuck

>>52182655
They're called sisters, m8

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Are you guys ready for Dwarven tech priests?

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Modular terrain?

Looks like it's only a matter of time before Necromunda comes back, then! :D

>>52183007
Ideological. Not actual. Outside of a few stolen ships on the fringes of Tau space all Orks did was draw one of it's greatest heroes to a world where some khornate daemons slaughter his ethereals.

>>52183071
>squats
You mean Bronzebeards?

>>52182228
I love it, they inspire me to do the same. My IG is themed to be artillery so I am very tempted to put an EWAC in it.

>>52183071
>>52183095
Who's ready for Demiurg conversions?

>>52182345
I don't see the appeal of the Khorne one, and to be honest despite seeing very clearly how a Skull Cannon is useful the thought of a herald with a big magic weapon on a chariot is pretty threatening. Shame you cant get soulscent for your herald of slaanesh.

>>52183071
God, they look terrible

>>52182255

Its to the left of his face, look how it is angled relative to his body. The shadow is over his shoulder.

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>>52183014

Not bad for a beginner.

>>52183071
>AoS players love this

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>>52182866
>But Orks are basically target practice for Tau at this point. Both in fluff and tabletop
Honestly, if there's anything that I want to see happen in the shitshow that is the Gathering Storm, its for the greenskins to give the fledgling Tau Empire a right and proppa' stompin'.

>>52183107
>Ideological. Not actual.
Only because someone like Ghazzy hasn't dropped by the Tau worlds to say "Hi!" yet.

>>52183174
I think if they're going to do anything with Orks it'll be Guard vs Orks on Armageddon. They've been kind of setting it up for awhile.

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>>52183146
>>52183167
I guarantee if I said another company made them you'd say they look great.
These guys look fucking fantastic, stop crying about your dead game no one played, fantasy was trash

>>52182645
No advice?

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>>52183174
What would Ghazghkull even want from the Tau? If he wants the biggest WAAAGH!!! and the biggest fight, he has to knock on the doors of the Imperium.

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>>52182255
The weapon's sacred Machine Spirit will prevent any discharge that isn't directed at the Omnissiah's enemies.

>>52183207
>them you'd say they look great.
Nope I would call them the same borring generic, or WoW/10

>>52183071
>sky dwarves in scuba gear with harpoons and flying ships
I can dig it.

>>52183139
You read my mind, fellow taufag.

But what allied army should they counts-as?

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How in the hell do i add Guilliman to a list in Battlescribe? I can't find him under any of the options, and i know my app's up to date since i can add a detachment of fallen and the new cypher

>>52183071
So THAT'S where the 'nids excrement goes.
Seriously though, Squats sounded fucking badass. Pity I got into 40k after they were retconned into oblivion.

>>52183146
>>52183071
>>52183095

Holy shit those are bad.

>>52182862
W-wha?

>>52183216
>What would Ghazghkull even want from the Tau?

He stops off there to pick up some more Dakka before moving on to the Imperium.

>>52183071
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/15/a-new-race-descends-on-the-mortal-realms/

Since these confirm a few rumor engine things (namely the first image of one of their balloons and the demon image), can we also assume that the blue coils with the gold stuff are from one of their things as well as the door looking part?

>>52182654
>an even bigger Mary Sue out-Sues another Mary Sue beyond all logic
>somehow this is acceptable and logical

It's a good thing you're too retarded to be aware of just how retarded you are, or you'd probably have killed yourself by now.

>>52183225
I'm almost tempted to say Necrons. They have specialized energy weapons that could be fluffed as the sort of mining gear Demiurg use, and the durability and low initiative is somewhat fitting.

A lord alongside a squad of warriors would fit them pretty nicely overall.

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>>52183235
>>52183146
>>52183167

>>52182654
Too much IoM beating off to their Stus/Sues while trying to knock off factions for it

>>52183322
Is that Riptide, or Crysis battlesuit?

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>>52183319
>Tau are bigger sues than imps
>This is what imperial players actually believe

>>52183322
Okay...that's simultaneously the stupidest and most brilliant thing I've seen all day.

>>52183216
To loot their dakka of course.
Seriously, the thought of a mek genius like Orkimedes getting access to Tau tech is fucking terrifying. We're talking the Beast's 'fuck you, I have gravity weapons' or higher kind of dakka.

>>52183071
>>52183095
>>52183322
Not gonna lie, as a guy that really likes steam-punky technologically advanced (for the setting) dwarfs, this kind of make me want to play AoS.

>>52183207
I think the models are hit or miss.

The ones using special melee weapons look awful, but the rest look okay. I really love the minigun holding one.

>>52183322

Wow those really do look as rediculous as the squats did.

I'm cool with it, continue spamming dorfs.

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>>52183372

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>>52183383
Somewhere some GW exec is reading this thread wondering why the fuck 40k players find this new line so fascinating.

>>52183383
>tfw read that as GAMA-KO-Skyniggers-Content.jpg

Time for a break from 4chins I think.

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>>52183354
My problem with AoS is that none of the races really 'click' with me. Like, Stormcasts are kind of eh and the rest just seem lackluster. Skaven seem kind of interesting but I already play Guard and wouldn't want to play another swarm-ish army.

>>52183383
I bet they will be
>RRP: $120AUD for 3

AoS is so fucking expensive compared to 40k

>>52183400
Well apparantly most of the execs think no ones interested in fluff or crunch and just buy those things as display models so they probably spend a lot of their time baffled by the actions of 'collectors'.

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>>52183404
You you might be absorbing too much of the local culture, anon.

>>52183348

Can't hear you over the sound of your 360 no scope plasma turret pshhhh nothin personnel shots

>he thinks Tau aren't the biggest sues in current lore
>in a conversation explicitly talking about how Tau foiled a "super Naruto Sue"

Yep retarded

Seems to be a 100% affliction rate for Tautards

>>52181306
Looks to me like the whole situation broke his sanity. He seems to be contemplating suicide calmly.

>>52183432
>forge and anvil backpack
Fucking great, these are.

Would totally get one for a D&D Dwarven artificer if I played one.

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>>52183400
>
>>52183383
>>52183322
>>52183095
>>52183071
>>52183432

Something about these models makes me think they may be treated like Chaos Demons, where the models can be used for both 40k and AoS. Maybe they're making them as the Demiurge?

>>52181719
Replace boyz with warbikerz. Also more dreads.

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>>52183469
Maybe Deldar.

>>52183322
Literally a fucking chainsword. I'm actually impressed.

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>>52183487

God damn I actually kind of want to play AoS now. I'm pretty sure I could use my Convergence models to proxy some of this shit.

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What's /40kg/'s opinion on DoW3?

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>>52183502

>>52183487
>>52183502
Okay, now those are pretty cool

>>52182703
Not the guy but pay fucking Orks if you like them, I win like 40% of my games as Orks and they're cheap if you get them off of Ebay. You can get a boy for like 75 cents or a dollar each which is good for Gdub models. They're fun to play and have tons of converting options, plus 8th will probably buff em.

>>52183518
Poor

>>52183518
Looks interesting, will have to play to make a final judgment on it though.

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>Guilliman orders to open stasis vault
>its squats eager to settle grudge on tyranids

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>>52183469
God damn, Bintang take their mascots fucking seriously.

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>>52183469

I know there's a squat data sheet for HoR kill team these would work with.

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>>52181323
Ill Fite U.

>>52183518

The hate bandwagon for it is overstated and it actually looks kind of ok. Can't really tell yet though

>>52183400
It's because all Games Workshop customers primarily enjoy buying highest-quality fantasy military miniatures to paint and display :^)

>>52183518
>3 races on release
I wouldn't be surprised if they release CSM and nothing else after that. RIP ever playing anything cool ever again,

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>>52183520
One of their HQs is pretty BORING, actually.

>>52183551
THEYRE FUCKING EGGS IN POWER ARMOUR. OLD GW BE PRAISED!

>>52183518
I love it. somersaulting terminators is hilarious and is just the kind of silly thing that should be in 40k. Also superheavies.

/40kg/ help me.

Should I bite the bullet and just buy a metal Helbrecht to finish off my Black Templar HQ Triumvirate no matter what happens to them in 8e or should I rather not do that and just wait and see?

>>52183529
Looking at different sets now. Thanks!

>>52183518
The only real problem I have with it so far is how obtrusive all the effects are. Other than that looks ok. I was late to play both DoWs, so I don't have much hype/scorn for it as older fans.

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>>52183594
Oh hoho what a pun. And here's the last guy. Is that a distillery on his back?

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>>52183611

>>52183594
Is this the new terminator captain sculpt?

>>52183657
It can be if you want it to be.

>>52183653
Were squats the real Star Krakens?

>>52183469
The fucking balloon HQ has markerlights in his balloon.

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>>52183322
>>52183383
>>52183400
>>52183432
>>52183502
>implying the longbeards wouldn't shit bricks at these new designs being rushed out.
Why even use the warhammer lore if they're going to totally disregard it?
Just make something new GW

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>>52183702
Plus they're kind of cute. :3

>>52181929
100 points.

>>52183589
>3 races on release
They should add IG as the 4th because there are NPC Guardsmen in the latest trailer, they may as well add the rest of my favorite faction and keep Chaos/Tyranids as DLC later. If only.

>>52183518
Cautiously optimistic since I mostly look forward to seeing what the mod support is like and how well it sells to know if/how many future factions are DLC and if they can handle balancing around 3 factions before adding more. If the game is shit but we have a bunch of factions at least the models can be ripped for TTS.

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Wat

>>52183783
They are sky-prates to they get a stormcrow.

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>>52183756
>They should add
Don't keep your hopes up.
They released almost every army with DoW1 (All if you count mods), and 4 on release
They released only 6 for DoW2, with 4 on release
DoW3 has only 3 on release. So we'll maybe get 4-5, 6 armies if were fucking lucky by the end of it.

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>>52183535
>tfw when you remember reading that the Squats used to trade with the Orks back in the day and how fucking OP Squat vehicles are
>Orkz loot a Squat Cyclops, Orkify the shit out of it, red paint job and supah-engine included
>Boyz go WAAAGH!in' in Tau space, deploy Looted Squat Cyclops in battle with a working Hell-Fury Cannon
>"Who's target practice now ya blue gits?!"
One can dream...

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>>52183783
OH FUCK NIGGA! ITS BUBO!

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>>52183924
>>52183783

I don't fucking believe it

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How would this fare competitively

>>52183939

Another decoration for the rhinestone tau?

>>52183999
Checked and no, its bubo my dude!

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Necromunda 2: electric boogaloo unit list
Surprisingly, nids might not be totally shafted for once even though it's warriors

>>52184064

Fucking wyches, it's like they know what models nobody uses and bases their lists off of them.

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>>52184064
This seems less like Necromunda and more like Kill Team, to be honest.

>>52184064

>Chaos marines
>No tactical marines
What?

>>52183983
Seems decent. Who are you making your warlord to use with the endless grimoire? I'd take the grimoire of true names instead.

>>52184064
Warriors might actually be decent in that sort of game. The biggest thing anyone can bring is a meltagun or krak missile, which helps their instant death worries.

>>52184174
Kill team with less model variety...

>>52184188
Meltaguns and krak missiles both instant death warriors.

>>52184175
CSM regularly fight like guerillas, tactical marines are almost always used as line troops.

>>52184229
yes, but that means there is gonna be a max of 2 shots a turn that can instant death something, even assuming they hit

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>>52184192
It seems like they took the terrain idea from Necromunda and the set of 10 guys from Kill Team or so.

Unless maybe it's meant to be Necromund lite?

>>52184229
Pretty much >>52184259

Not only that, but only certain factions can access them, and one of them has a 12 inch range. Even if your opponent list tailors, you'll still have a much easier time closing the gap.

>>52183726
They're effectively engineer clan who were isolated in their airships so they did what they had to survive but didn't go Hashit

>>52184259
That's one or two shots that can each instant death one third of your force.

>>52183116
thanks anon. hope you bomb xenos to bits. FOR CADIA!

>>52184330
this is, of course, assuming that you just use the 40k rules.

if it's like necromunda, as some info is suggesting, you can't reliably ID anything, and might not even be able to afford more than one special/heavy weapon when you make your gang

>>52184330
>>52184431
Yeah. Potentially, certain weapons might just be unavailable entirely as well. We don't know enough about the rules to really say for now.

>>52183225
Ynnari.

Finally sat down to read the Gathering Storm fluff.

Forgot how much I love Trazyn. Mat Ward redeemed a lot of sins by creating him.

Do you kids update 1d4chan anymore?

>>52181261
>Resting on a carnifex
There's a good chance it isn't dead.

>>52184064
>tfw really looking forward to taking a chaos warband made up of crappy little no mark vanilla marines and turning them into the blood god's chosen

>>52184534
Tactic and rule very often it seem. Lore, mehhhh.

>>52184534
You can tell it's still out of date because it still says
>tg gets shit done
all over the place.

Someone please help me out here. How the fuck am I supposed to deal with a Bloodthirster, let alone any Greater Daemon as Grey Knights? Banishment can't stack, so you can only bring them down by 1 on the invuln, Psilencers are only S4, so unless you have like 3 of them pointing at one greater daemon, you probably(someone plug this into mathhammer, please) won't do them in because you have to get through rolling at least 5's to-wound and then pray that they don't make whatever insanely low invuln save they have, and then if you do, somewhere along the line they'll end up getting a FnP or re-rolled invuln. You might as well remove your models from the table if you even think about meleeing them(except LoC, you might actually force him to have to roll some saves if he's not swooping, which he is like 90% of the time). Dreadknights are "made to fight greater daemons", WS5...with 5 attacks on the charge (3 base, 1 on charge, 1 for 2 specialist weapons), and still I4. But a Bloodthirster has at least that many attacks without needing to charge and he hits at I9. You have to pray the opponent botches his rolls or you scrape by with 1 or 2 wounds left. Sure, we get force in spades, good luck getting it off when Daemons can generate almost double your warp charges with no trouble.

I hate sounding whiny, but I just don't know how to approach it anymore.

>>52184453
>>52184431
at this point we're cluelessly speculating, but I think it's fair to say that if the game is heavily based on existing 40k rules and codexes a unit of tyranid warriors is pretty fucked VS most of those squads by virtue of extremely low body count, bad guns, bad saves and virtually no saving grace special rules

>>52184491
>Trazyn says he was dragged in chains to the biotransference

That doesn't make sense. He was a necrontyr overlord with his own world and armies. He wasn't a peasant.

If you were playing against Grey Knights would you accept the Daemonic Adversary rules or not?

>>52184601
Would psycannons do any better than Psilencers? I'm not too familiar with Grey Knights.

>>52184601
Guess what? BLOODTHIRSTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HARD TO KILL EVEN AS GREY KNIGHTS!!!

All you need to do is land one single failed wound on it and it's dead.

>>52184611
More so Gang of Commoragh have a complete different rule from normal 40k game, and it was seem like GW was experimenting Necromunda with that game.

>>52184601
Kaldor Draigo, any HQ with the bone shard of Solor, Gatling Psilencer

>>52184563
Any idea of any sort of database that keeps on it's lore updates?

>>52184611
I'm legitimately surprised they said Warriors and not Genestealers, but I guess genestealers would be op as fuck in squad sized games.

What's a fun melee army that isn't Marines or Chaos?

>>52184722
Genestealer Cult, Tyranids, Orks

>>52184543
Most likely a nid warrior.

>>52184695
Well, the GSC are already represented with the hybrids.

Sit on cover and shoot them. Then laugh as they go at I1 when they charge.

>Greater Daemons are melee units
>I1

>>52184744
meant to link here
>>52184601

>>52183322
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/15/a-new-race-descends-on-the-mortal-realms/
wait is this actually 40k?

>>52184667
Read the book and the codex, the one published by GW with rule and shit. That's the most canon one. Lexicanum seem to update some of the later released story...when they feel like to.

Or you could be a good samaritan and update the wiki yourself. Expecting lots of rollback and edit because fag hate your edit, your grammar suck, or *citation needed*

>>52184774
Mentioned it earlier, but I think it could be a case like Chaos Daemons where the models can be used for both.

>>52184631
bump, what's your preference?

>>52184818
If I want to win more, yes.

>>52184632
S7 AP4 with Rending. Less shots than a psilencer. Psilencer and heavy psilencer are 6/12 shots, respectively vs 4 and 6(or Large blast) for the Psycannon and Heavy Psycannon. So you could get a wound off more often, but run the risk of having them just pass them effortlessly since there's a possibility of getting less wounds than you would with a psilencer.

>>52184644
It's not even being hard to kill, I can barely even fucking wound them. I usually can't even get force off since I have to spend my 1 psyker power per unit (2 for purifiers/Grand Master, and up to 3 for Librarian.) trying to buff them defensively(Sanctuary on the Dreadknight because he's the biggest fire magnet I've ever seen.) or trying to take out/hinder whatever else would pose a threat equal to or greater than the greater daemon, like some units setting up to capture an objective, or getting into position to score a point by killing X or doing Y. So there's always a choice I have to make and historically, going for the offensive has yielded me little success, so I try to delay me conceding with defensive tactics and hope they fudge a roll or two so I can lessen the points/kill gap before I lose.

>>52184663
The first and currently last time I used Draigo he got turned into a fucking Herald of Tzeentch the turn he arrived from deep strike (turn 2, because I can't make 3+'s on turn 1 to save my life). Bone-shard is a nice psuedo storm shield, but I try to avoid being within 12' of a greater daemon with my Librarian. My regular list doesn't use a Grand Master, but I've been considering it. I'll have to try Gatling Psilencer sometime, not having the "wounds daemons on 2+" I saw they had in 5th really fucking hurts.

>>52184744
That sounds hilarious, but if I sit in terrain as GK, I'm even more of a sitting duck. (Somehow we're supposed to be the *Teleports behind you* army.)