Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>52177989
I like it op, a tasteful meme

>>52177989

First for Kill Team

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Repostan

Since Guilliman has essentially allied with the Ynnari in the battle against Chaos, can we assume that Mr Statesman will learn about and extend an olive branch to the Craftworld Eldar and Tau to join forces?

I'm imagining at the very least diplomatic missions to create a ceasefire to not have these dangers on their mind as the 13th Black Crusade is going on.

>>52177760 #

Kinda Depends how many Imperials show up. They're basically a barbarian horde unless they completely tidal wave the tau down and crack out the Titans.

Hell, space marines aren't even all that scary to tau- Not because they aren't impressive, because a highly mobile force with better than Bolter small arms spam and plenty of heavy weaponry is basically the least optimal thing for a company to go up against.

Recall that one of the earliest marine/tau interactions involved an entire company drop podding into a city then getting counter-ambushed and killed to a man by plasma rifle spamming crisis suits.

20 minutes till more GW announcements.

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I hope when Guilliman switches off the Big E's life support, he reincarnates as the Empress.

40k needs more equal gender representation.

Imperatrix > Imperator

>Blood Angels vs Storm Boyz

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Third for Cypher

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This is a Marines Malevolent Thread now

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>>52178068
Would you a God Emperor /tg/?

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>>52178078
BROTHER

>>52178047
Guilliman had a instinctive distrust of xenos even during the Great Crusade. It's suggest it's genetically wired into them.

He might arrange a ceasefire, but he's not going to form the United Federation of Planets: 40k Edition.

Codex: Catachan when?

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>>52178075
Cypher is a casual scrub I could take him with my balls tied behind my back.

>>52178075
Not even close bb

>>52178082
I'd hit it so hard the Astronomican would flicker.

>>52178078
>Getting bitchslapped by a Salamander

>Blood Angels vs Ork Boyz

Orks are not npc race...

>>52178086

Is the book good? How are the Black Templars depicted?

>>52178104
Never, they're the next Guard planet to be squatted.

Gonna get nommed by an Ork-piloted spehs-whale

>>52178095
I agree with you but who knows. Desperate times ey.

He literally doesn't mind if a Ynnari Eldar is traipsing around the innermost sanctum of his homeworld.

>>52178047
he may attempt to bring more Eldar into he fight, if/when Yraine reunites with him but until then I doubt he's going to go straight into alliance mode
>>52178159
I enjoyed the first one, despite several anons saying they are terrible, perhaps because it has like 4 different protagonists including the BT chaplain, giving their own POV for a single story.
it characterizes several magi of different ranks and includes a sentient machine straight from Ghost in the Shell
id' give it a 7-8/10

>>52178157

Weren't* a npc race

>>52178086
The Secutor is a Tech-Priest, not a Skitarius though.

The actual Skitarii in that book just spend the entire time being shut-down by various kinds of daemonic malware and sentient AI.

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While the thread is young, how would you go about making an army out of pic related? Something akin to them are confirmed for 40k after all. Which army could they best count-as, how would you fluff them to allies etc.

>>52178204
oh and about the BT it focuses mostly on their rituals I'd assume the second book will expand more into them
in the first book itself they are typical SM autism

>>52178159
>How are the Black Templars depicted?

They get rekt repeatedly. Only the Cadians come out of those novels with their dignity intact.

unlike their planet

>>52178204
Alright, cool. Thanks for the overview.

>>52178215
I always get really confused between the cult mechanicus and the skitarii so I apologize

>>52178199
He's nothing if not pragmatic. In the same paragraph though, he's already expecting them to betray him when it suits them.

>>52178047

> Guilliman is Sigmar
> Returned warrior king, uniting his sons at the end of the world
> Imperium is Empire/Bretonnia

> Eldar are Elves
> Cultural schisms boil over and result in a unified force behind someone previously thought impossible
> Tau are Lizardmen
> Improbably third faction added in to the goodies

> Chaos are Chaos
> Orks are Orcs and will ally with Tyranids to make a meme NPC empire
> Necrons are Death and the Silent King will be Nagash

AoS is repeating itself.

>>52178226
As disposable abhumans.

Their special rule could be that their allies could fire into combats their involved in, with any wounds being split equally between them and the enemy unit.

Wargear would a ccw. You could upgrade three of them with laspistols for every twenty you fielded. Also bomb collars, so the unit gets removed from play entirely the first time it fails a morale check.

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>>52178226
I don't know about your pic related. But I imagine my pic related would be an awesome renegades guard army.

>Cygors chucking tank husks countsas basilisks!

>>52178226
The Felinids are like Cat from Red Dwarf, not literally cat people, or anime cat girls.

>>52178255
>Orks are Orcs
That's a bit of a stretch don't ya think?

>>52178255
>Silent King will be Nagash
Suddenly I'm okay with Age of Emperor.

>>52178159
Not that anon, but the book's decent, despite them getting a shit ton of Guard, Marines, Eldar and other random fucks in my Mechanicus book, and that stupid Disney moment where the Templar scrub is getting his ass kicked by the Secutor in a friendly duel, then magically beats him with no explanation given and tells him to fight with more "heart". He then goes all Luke Skywalker, turns off all his guidance in a big fight near the end, and owns this giant ice-monster thing. The Mechanicus characters are all pretty great, too, and one of them literally dies dropping logic burns on an Eldar.

Black Templars do their usual thing, get a bit fried up and occasionally run inot trouble, then have a cool last stand, even if it is defending a damn Eldar Farseer.
If there was a third of the non-Mech characters in the book, it would have been a lot better, but still worth a read. Also, Kotov is great. He builds an entire Leviathan into an Age of Sail boat for Explorator Fleet fucking about.

>>52178255
> Orks are Orcs and will ally with Tyranids to make a meme NPC empire
> a meme NPC empire
is everything ok?

>>52178078
Marines Malevolent deserve everything bad that happens to them.

>>52178226
I don't think this is the game for you. But I'll fund your kickstarter for some sort of cartoony medieval animal wargame.

>>52178288
>The Felinids are like Cat from Red Dwarf

Slaanesh cultists?

How much would you discount orks by to make them comparable to newer codexies?

I guess we weren't Warhammer 40K
But... Warhammer 50K

>Hot-shot lasguns have giant fuck-off scopes
>18" range

Well done GW, well done.

>>52178049
The imperium repeatedly gets BTFO by the Tau, literally the only advantages they have are warp travel and sheer numbers. That massive crusade meant to wipe them out? Stalled and defeated on a single planet. Khan got cucked out of killing shadowsun, the raven guard chapter master died, and 3/4 of the assassins failed. Hell, there was one part where the imperial guard were charging headlong through a dust storm and the Tau were using them as target practice because they outclassed them that badly.

>>52178306
OK, thanks

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Has it been explained how/why these girls have survived into the 41st millennium? I thought they were wiped out.

Just a straight retconn?

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>>52178363
>literally the only advantages they have are warp travel

That and stealth tech the Tau could only dream of.

>>52178353
you setting the 0 to be 8,000 BC? that's stupid

>>52178310
when a Chaos Sorcerer lord calls you borderline heretical and accepts renegades from their chapter into his warband you know you are fucked

>>52178344
20% off all units. Or keep the Orks the same price but reduce the cost of their wargear by 25-50%.

>>52178376
the order probably went dark and any female blank they found that didn't go straight into the assassins temple went with them

>>52178344
i sometimes take 25% extra points with my orks

People actually have more fun that way because it feels more even and my opponents arent just destroying me, which is not fun

I even win some games sometimes

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>>52178363
>the imperial guard were charging headlong through a dust storm and the Tau were using them as target practice

VALIANT GUARDSMEN HEROICALLY LAYING DOWN THIER LIVES TO DEPRIVE THE WRETCHED XENO OF IT'S AMMUNITION SUPPLIES!!!

>>52178308
Orcs and ogres (fantasy devourers) allied and proceeded to do jack shit until the final battle. Unless you count Josh Reynolds fan fiction as canon, in which case they conquered everything east of the old world including chaos held Cathay and the chaos dwarfs.

If 40k followed his retarded idea, this would happen with orks and tyranids

>>52178391
>The psyker is the only one not affected
bravo GW

>>52178199

Read the book faggot Tau are listed alongside daemons and Ghazgkull as increased threats after the eye expanded

>>52178391
>sending a culexus assassin after non-psykers

>>52178288
I changed my mind, I now want to represent Cat's people, loyalist and heretic versions for their religious schism. Their ragtag fleets ply the galaxy seeking for the promise land.

But naa, it was just a dumb thought while I was grinding in MH the other day. The setting has literal space orangutans who make tiny lascannon, making backwards cat people seem believable. Knowing the Imperium, >>52178280
would probably happen to them.

>>52178363
we don't talk about the damocles tauwank

>>52178360

> Scions can swap their Hotshot Lasguns for a Hellgun or Shotgun at no extra cost

> Hotshot Lasgun: R24" S3/AP3/Rapid Fire
> Can be fired as R30" Heavy1/Sniper

> Hellgun: R18" S3/AP5/Assault 3
> Can Overclock for +2S at the expense of firing next turn

> Shotguns: R12", Assault 2, variable ammo
> Bio Acid: Poison(5), Rending, AP4
> Incendiary: S3, Ignores Cover
> Shrapnel: S3, Shred

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>>52178411
>find out there are female Culexus assassins as well as Callidus
>synskin is literally just bodypaint

hnnnnnnng

>>52178439
aunva isnt a psyker

>>52178444
You call me a faggot again and I'll expand your cornhole, lad.

>>52177989
It lasted over 7 threads without the inevitable autistic shit memes Not a bad effort.

>>52178439
Pheromones not psyker powers.

>>52178449
An assassin is an assassin. Culexus are probably the most versatile assassins under the current rules.

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I really want to start up a Khornate marine army, though all of the options for doing so feel really scattered.

I can't use the World Eaters Legion stuff with Khorne Daemonkin. I can't used the improvements to Possessed and Warp Talons from Daemonkin alongside the Crimson Slaughter benefits or the new assault on deep-strike formations.

It doesn't help matters that I'd actually like to include a couple squads and units focused on shooting in the list. At this point I'd even look to loyalist books for options.

>>52178459
>kindly no kauyon or Montka, if that's your cup of tea go weeb/troll elsewhere. For all intents and purposes it's not the same universe

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If you could select the new main regiment for Guard, which would you choose?

Homemade regiments are fair game, but I think something from the current lore would be best.

>>52178449
>sending the guy who can make himself so unnoticed he can hitchhike inside a filled devilfish into the most defended location on the planet to kill the absolute head of state of the enemy

Who's more powerful in lore, a solitaire or an eversor assassin?

>>52178551
Mordian

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>>52178499

> Daemonkin
> Improved Possessed and Warp Talons

These units need a whole lot more than fucking Furious Charge to be 'fixed'.
Your options are very simple anon:

> Khorne Daemonkin
Flesh Hounds that you can join units to, and don't have much 'tax' associated.
Literally everything else is inferior.

> World Eaters
Better everything else.
Better characters, insanely better infantry.
Forge World units.

> Crimson Slaughter
Objectively inferior in everything compared to World Eaters.

I'd say to just play World Eaters and ally in some Gorepacks. Put your Juggerlord there for some ablative Wounds, otherwise pure Chaos.
Ally in some Renegades if you want any Scoring potential.

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>>52178551

>>52178551
i dont think they should have a main regiment. the box for guardsmen should be regular planetery defense guardsmen and then they should include a sprue to make various regiments.

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Complete newfag here
Think this is something I'd like to star with
the formation is 400 points and the lgs apparently runs 500 for its beginner games, so thought id ask what kind of upgrades I should go for to get it up to 500
cheers

>>52178551

Harakoni Warhawks

This would allow all IG players to build Cadians, hostile environment Cadians, and non-Elysian drop troops in any mix they want. Combine all 3 and you get the Harakoni Warhawks.

I bring my Grey Knights, do you want to use the daemonic adversaries rules?

>>52178439
Not psykers dude, insect like pheromones. It's how shadowsue was able to survive the callidius assassination attempt
>>52178449
And yet he was the only assassin who was successful, and the only one who didn't struggle at all. I'm surpassed he wasn't reassigned to go after farsight and shadowsue
>>52178477
>getting this mad at being called faggot on an anonymous Mongolian cave painting forum
Welcome to 4chan, newfriend

>>52178255
>Orks are Orcs and will ally with Tyranids to make a meme NPC empire
I would left them in one group called as "destruction forces" or something like that but not allied at all

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>>52178078
>>52178087
My Brothers!

>>52178569

1v1 = Solitaire
Vs each other = Solitaire
Vs army = Eversor
Last stand = Eversor

>>52178521
Who are you quoting?

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>>52178551
Vostroyans.

>>52178585
I said Improved, not fixed. The main reason I'd even want them is so that I could have some Daemons with actual armor.

I'll probably just end up going for World Eaters then, I suppose. My other alternative was running them as Deathwatch or something for the wargear options.

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>>52178360

>hot-shot lasguns have giant fuck-off scopes
>they have no stock

>>52178022
>They killed a chapter master and thought they'd killed the 'king' of the spehs muhreens.
>implying "Warrior King" isn't an appropriate transliteration of what a Chapter Master is given their level of autonomy within the larger Imperium, and their role over the chapter and in many cases large swaths of imperial territory or forces

So are you just an idiot about comparative ranks in history or are you ignorant of the lore itself?

>>52178684
it's a laser gun, what would the stock even do?

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>>52178627
>actively making your enemy better so you can get preferred enemy on them

wait, if i'm a daemon player do i get to use these buffs?

>>52178704
look down the scope and aim better?

Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks!

>>52178677

It's 7th Edition, just use Allies. For the cost of a Herald and min-Bloodletters, you can access all the Daemons you like. Alternatively, min Bikers and then spam Flesh Hounds through the Gorepack.

Actual CSM are so, so much better under Legion rules that it is a non-contest.

>>52178741
Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks

>>52178449
Culexus can hide from the Tau sensors, shitty eyesight and they can't even "feel" it is there.

Culexus are the perfect counter to the tech reliant and warp ignorant Tau.

Why the Imperium hasn't turbo fuck Tau with Culexus is just due to plot armour.
Like everything beyond 3rd edition Tau fluff.

>>52178684
That... that's not who I think it is is it?
How did he get so fat?

>>52178741
>>52178758
Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks !!

Ok, quick question about Angels of Death special army lists: since their bonuses are not Chapter Tactics do they apply to all models in the army or still just those with Chapter Tactics ? Anvil Strike Force straight up buffs vehicles, Scarblade Strike Force makes vehicles faster, and so on. The Imperial Fists have two rules, one that specifies that only units with the special rule from their Chapter tactics get the bonus while the other just says that units in the army get +1 to blowing up buildings. What about the +1S for flamers the Salamanders get, is it Chapter Tactics units-only or is it like Vulkan's special ability that buffs even vehicle mounted meltas ?

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>>52178783
>How did he get so fat?

He's 64, Anon.

>>52178668
>Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

Warhammer fantasy babbys who think their feelings affect what's canon and what isn't. They think they can just decide that 8th edition and endtimes didn't happen and everyone else is expected to agree on that. Now with the nu-fluff, this hilarious behavior is starting to pop up here

>>52178764
Maybe the high lords keep forgetting Culexus exist?

>>52178551
This nigger has the right idea>>52178592 desu. The Cadians are the generic regiment you can change to be your dudes with just a paint job, all the other regiments have to be that regiment really.

Ideally they'll replace the Cadians with a generic Astra Militarum (TM) trooper set and then offer a series of upgrade sprues with different weapons, heads and equipment so you can go to town with your dudes.

But that would involve Games Workshop both listening to their fans and making a decision which isn't guaranteed to be financially succesful so is highly unlikely to happen.

The most likely course of action is the Cadian box will be renamed to AM Shock Troopers and us poor guard players will be fobbed off with another new command squad or if we're really lucky a new character.

>>52178805
or deeming them too important to waste on second rate threats

>>52178405
>>52178413
Thanks, Ork player is pretty discouraged with how weak they are, I'll bring these up next time we play

Simple 25% extra points should be simple to do , any other buffs or changes to help games be more fair? Group includes tau, admech, de, ig, and kdk if that helps.

>>52178551
Long coat box with Vostrian, Steel legion and Valhallan heads

Jacket with Tallern, Cadian and Modian heads

Carapace with Harakoni/Cadian filter mask, and I dunno some other elite but not termpestus heads

>>52178363
>ENTIRE Imperial crusade consisting of countless troops and tons of titans
>beaten with ease
>Tail flick from a hivefleet
>Takes out multiple systems and requires the Tau to change their entire philosophy towards alien species while the main fleet struggles against a couple of guard regiments and some space marines
The inconsistency is mind blowing.

>>52178805
GW constantly forgets its own IP.

I wonder if they think Chaos Orks is a new shit they came up with for GoS books and not old as fuck fluff.

>>52178803
I don't blame them after what happened to fantasy.

Rest in peace.

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>>52178627

>My patriarch gains a better invul than his base save, wounds on a rerollable 2+ still at his WS/I 7, is AP2 and Armourbane

Shit man, your funeral.

>>52178764
I mean, they JUST had a culexus kill the spiritual leader of the whole tau empire

>>52178676
>First-born sons
>Sons

>>52178684
>Stocks
>On a weapon that fires light

Yeah, need something to handle that ferocious recoil....

>>52178853
you forgot free mastery level and another level for 25 points

>>52178857
Can I ask where? Sounds like a fun read

>>52178888
I'd hate to go against quads, but I remember some speculation being that the superheating of the air around the barrel could produce a recoil effect, as well as the signature whip-crack of lasfire.

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>>52178783

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I have a very weak idea of what I'm doing, please help.

>>52178945
First piece of advice is ignore everything /tg/ says, including this.

>>52178853

Actually Armourbane and Rending both. How do those even stack?

>>52178944
what is this the source of this jewel

>>52178853
What if you put this on smashfucker?

>>52178853
>It literally says you can't use these options with Genestealer Cults in the next paragraph.
Wew

>>52178055

What did the announcements end up being? All AoS stuff?

>>52178931

Mont'ka campaign book.

>>52178843
Let's not forget every faction that enters Tau space gets affected by a retardation field.

Pask the knight commander super tank leader that hates baneblades rides one because reason when facing Tau.

Tactically sound IG and Marines decided the best tactic against Tau is to fall right into totally a trap!

Tau pilots in previous fluff had a hard time facing experience Imperial pilots, new fluff Tau pilots are just out right better than pilots from other species that decades or even centuries of Battle experience.

Even the Navy goes full retard failing to face them at range and close range. Something IN excels at.
Fluffwise the Imperial Navy has the best ships and numbers galaxy wide along with a crew to handle them. It is the most competent thing in the entire 40k universe but turn into drooling retards when facing the Tau.

3rd and BFG is the only Tau fluff that was decent.

>>52178147
please don't do that.
#navigatorlivesmatter

>>52178944
>*heavy breathing*
>"Chicken nuggets are secure over"

>>52178964
If you roll a 6, you add 1d3. If you roll 2 6s, you roll 2d3,

That actually stacks very nicely and makes getting pens even more reliable.

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>>52178872
You're imagining the 'sons' bit. Their first-born join the guard, regardless of sex.

>>52178933
It'd recoil, but you'd need specialist equipment to even detect it. Super-heating the air in front of the weapon wouldn't be an issue either, because it'd be such a tiny amount of air that gets zapped.

I mean, technically sunlight striking your face pushes you back as well.

>>52178957
well now I'm just confused

Not so long ago I had a site which posted rumours and leaks about upcoming FW/GW models.
Mostly about the character series and/or primarchs in general...

Does anyone know which site that could be? (Or perhaps know more about the FW character series)

>>52178945

Yeah you need to give your chaplain enhanced mobility, either a bike or a jetpack so he can go with one of your fast assault units.

Also your Stormraven has hefty transport capacity but you haven't supplied anything to put in it.

Personally, I dislike shooty Dreadnoughts. Melta or assault cannon and a flamer in a drop pod is great as far as dreads go.

You largely have a perfectly fine casual list, but those stand out as weird things amongst it.

>>52178957
Specially 1d4chan tactics. They might be useful for the units and cost comparison but as actual guidelines for playing, making a list or even function on the table stay away.

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>>52178978

>I can't read

Weeeeeeew

(it says you can't take the Psyker options dingus. Anyone can take the basic posession.)

>>52179003

kekus

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>>52178971
Sniper: Special Ops

>>52179006

>A narthecium

I'd let her harvest my gene seed.

>>52179075
Well shit.

>>52179006

technically, women are not required to join like their male counterparts, they volunteer

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>>52178713
Technically, yes. Only requirement is that the grey knights are participating and both players agree.

>>52178944
It'S a shoulder guard, obviously it's meant to protect your shoulder. Duh.

>>52179111
what do you mean?

I'm so god damn happy custodians are getting their own kits. Same with SoS. I can finally do a full army of them now! How well would they do in a game do you guys reckon?

>>52179136

She has one of those chainsaw gauntlets for harvesting gene seed.

>>52179150
Isn't that 30k only?

>>52179136
He wishes to ejaculate profusely within her vagoo.

>>52179107
Thank you

>>52179125
Could I give my opponent a single Grey Knight model and use all the buffs?

Just theory waacfagging

>>52179150

Absolute garbage unless you get your opponent to let you use the 30k Custodes rules where they actually have flexible unit choices.

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>>52179164
Not anymore.

>>52179164
Nope! Look up the new talons of the emperor box! Hohooo I'm happy

>>52179161
>>52179167
I can't read english

>>52179185
Huh well that's... underwhelming

>>52179107
>Sniper:special ops
At what point did he stop even pretending to try? Well at least he seems to be enjoying himself.

>>52179150
The Custodes codex have 3 datasheets the custodes, Rhino and Landraiders no idea where the SoS will be. Codex SoS?

>>52179182
That model would have to be a unit, and the other player would still have to agree.
Fucking read, man.

Can you deploy units in Battle Brother transports?

>>52179150
Terribly. They're expensive as fuck.

Unless 8e comes out with rules that let you assault from deepstrike.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning of Prospero Imperial Datasheets.pdf

>>52179182
Theoretically, but that requires your opponent to A) accept using it, and B) agree to actually give you the buffs.

Unless you're playing something like Orks or Tyranids, I can't really see it happening.

>>52179124
Thanks feminism.

>>52179215

I heard the sisters of silence get sisters of silence, rhinos and venerable penitent engines.

>>52179215
SoS already got a sheet and formation in BoP and will have a small magazine-sized book in the new box.

>>52178945
Simply ask yourself the following questions:
"What do I want to do?"
"What units can do it?"
"How do they do it?"

Ideally, you want to have at least three units that can do any one thing at least two different ways.

So, say I answer question 1 with "I want to kill tanks". Then I answer question 2 with "I want to kill tanks at short range and long range." and then finally I select a long-range anti-tank unit (say, an all-lascannon predator), a short range option (squad of tacticals with grav guns in a drop pod), and finally, if possible, a third unit for one of the two previous options (Let's say a squad of devastators with lascannons for long range).

Major things you want to do:
Kill tanks/monstrous creatures
Kill Infantry
Take Objectives

There are more things you may want to do depending on your army. For example a guard player (me) wants some sort of meatshield for the my tanks. The units you select can also multitask to lower the points cost. As long as nobody can cripple your army by killing one unit, you'll be fine.

Fuck off with your shitty meme fake Duncan bullshit.
He's actually useful, unlike most of the 40kg thread.

>>52179219
Shhhh I just want to make Slaneesh SoB easily.

>>52179228
Huh... jeez. Maybe I should do a different army. I'm kind of underwhelmed now

>>52179215
Attached to the upcoming Sisters of Battle codex and plastic sororitas release.

if I keep saying it, it might come true

>>52179225
no

>>52179261
No, every time you mention SoB GW delays the release a week. Just like when people mention HL3 Valve delays the release.


Or GW just release some marine shit because clearly people wanted more marines

>>52179246

Anyone have that "I AM THE ETERNAL DUNCAN" pic?

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>>52179273
>His hopes of deploying scions via drop pod
>Crushed.

What is the tentacle arm bit in the chaos terminators sprue supposed to represent? A power weapon? A power fist?

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>>52179296
No, but post Duncans.

So, all in all, a custodian/SoS army is bad...

My dreams are crushed :(

>>52179318
It's supposed to represent GW's utter contempt for players who collect NPC races.

>>52179318

whatever you desire

>>52179192
Now if only they had some real vehicles instead of those stupid fucking ones.

>>52179297
Vanguards, Dominions any Imperial unit gets automatically Better inside a drop pod. Yes even heavy weapon teams now the enemy can't escape from Glorious bayonets!

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>>52179319

Why no tactical centurions?

I feel that a goddamn assault drill is more useful than being twin linked. Alternately, a goddamn lascannon or heavy Bolter is better than +1 attack.

Admittedly Grav ones are just gonna stand still and shoot forever with their Grav Amps.

>>52179325
They shouldn't really function as an army according to fluff anyway, they're bodyguards and anti-warp specialists who were attached to other Imperial forces to strengthen them against certain threats.

>>52179318

Tentacles indicate you worship either Tzeentch or Slaanesh, for completely unrelated reasons.

>>52179341
We don't talk like that.

>>52179297
why drop pods? They already have deep strike and move through cover

>>52179049
ah that explains where some of my points went, I meant to have the chaplain on a bike.
Also, the vanguard vets are meant to be in the stormraven with the dreadnaught.

>>52179245
I guess I want to kill infantry? I grabbed the dread and the stormraven for anti-armor though. So, I suppose I should get more dedicated on that then?

>>52179386

For 35 points you can arrive turn 1 and stand exactly where you like with almost zero mishap chance.

Like even if you scatter 12 inches you have half the width of a pod plus 6 inches deployment to get back towards your intended position.

>>52179318
Sororitas Violator.

S8, AP3, Concussion. 10pts.

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>>52179378

>>52179354
I want to do a full army of them, but oh well.

Convince me what Space Marine chapter I should do, because I have no clue.

>>52179006
The FFG games are not canon, anon.

>>52179111
I'll be honest with you, mate. I think that's for amputation. Good luck though.

>>52179386
What this guy >>52179410 said.

Also ODSTs.

>>52179325
You could try casual games at smaller points and maybe get away with it.

>>52179378
Yes. Yes you do.

>>52179392

Vanguard vets have jump packs, they can't be transported.

Oh, and there is precisely zero possible reason to transport in that dread with it's current equipment setup. Why does it need to be in a speedy assault vehicle if it's equipped as an overpriced gun platform? It's long range, why do you want it off the board?

>>52178047
He actually got refused by the eldar. Offered an alliance and they told him no ty. As it stands he currently has a neutral erring on the side of distrust opinion on them.

>>52179435
If GotS is canon so is FFG shit. At least FFG makes some sense in universe unlike the hamfisted crap from GotS

>>52179261
Because you have said this fluff-breaking comment, it will not happen. The SoS are atheist.

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>>52179435
They are until GW starts producing art of equally qt guardwimmin.

>>52178852
Honestly there's a silver-lining to this.

This means fantasy players can now choose to use a specific edition and play that without fear of "this is the latest rules shit". Nobody whose anal about using the latest rules is playing fantasy anymore because it doesn't exist! Your autism is free!

If I played fantasy and hated AoS, I'd just keep playing fantasy. Just sucks shit about some of the models being removed so some factions cannot boost their collections. I'm thankful I bought some bretonnian knights errant and an Ushabti long ago because they look badass.

>>52179325
In 30k they're retardedly good and a kitted out basic HQ can kill almost anyone, including primarchs.

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>>52179296

>>52179125
call me a pessimist but that does more damage to the grey knights then helps. take a look at what i could do with my take all comers daemons

>keeper lv5, double greater gift
>double warp storm benefits

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>>52179427
Well, you could choose the best Chapter....or one of those other, lesser chapters.

>>52178234
Black templars are like the silver hand in WoW, first ones in and first to die

>>52179427
What play style do you think fits you best, anon? I'll help you.

>>52179515
Maybe I should do them for 30k then

>>52179754
BUT IT BUILDS A NARRATIVE ANON.

ugh!

>>52179515
It is a d6 system everyone can kill everyone. Unless S3 can't wound T6 even Guardsmen can kill decked out hq

>>52179767
Thank you.

So I honestly want a chapter that excels at everything, as in can hold their own in any type of situation

>>52179496
That's because you can no longer get pickup games.

You can do this with 40k too if you organize it with friends but you can also get pick up games with random people at the club.

I'm just starting, is there a bound list way to play a 100% Dreadnought army?

>>52179427
Well now that Papa Smurf is back you could go UM for a tough guy that destroys everything in melee. GK are probably the closest to custodes as an army but they're currently severely underwhelming.

If you like winning there's DA and WS, or if you just want a cool chapter then there's always BA.

Alternatively wait a while to see if these super marines rumors come true.

>>52179778
Take 3+ saves out in the open agains AP3!
Charge out of a Rhino!
Forge the narrative!

You should arrange rules to fix your needs not to fix the rules itself because they are bad

>>52178449
>3/4 assassin's failed
Did...did a qt calidus get tortured???

>>52179465
actually the jump packs aren't necessary for them, though I made that choice when I was thinking of using Mantis Warrior chapter tactics, but the more I think on that the more I think that'll make it harder to find people willing to play me.
As for the dreadnaught, yeah I was being stupid there. Hold up, I'll make some alterations.

Does anyone have The Gathering Storm Companion?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Gathering-Storm-Companion-HB-ENG

>>52179819
How well do imperial fists perform? I should aim to please Rogal

>>52179796
I guess so. Sorry, I spoke from a biased viewpoint then. I don't like pickup games as I tend to be too polite with strangers to tell them to fuck off if I see a WAAC list, so I avoid the anxiety by only playing with people I befriend outside the hobby first.

I'm usually a fucking cunt and I don't want to be, so my conscious struggle to be nicer causes me legit enxiety.

>>52179812

Technically no, but you can play a bound dreadnought army where your only tax is a drop pod.

Given that you'll be wanting to take drop pods in a dread spam list anyhow, that shouldn't be a dealbreaker.

>>52179444
>>52179410
Then I guess you'll just have to "forge the narrative" then so long as it's a casual game.

Just beware of setting precedents, this week it's scions in drop pods, next week it's wraith guard on raiders

>>52179843
Probably eating by Kroots I bet she die due to some Kroot genetic smell bullshit.

>>52179795
That's extremely broad, anon. Like, what do you want to DO with Your Dudes? Do you want to go with a ton of tanks? A basic list of tacs, devs, and assaults? Scout spam, even? Do you want to be accurate with a bolter? Do you want to be ridiculously durable? Fast? Camoflaged and sneaky? Fire?

Any chapter can do anything, but some chapters are better than others at certain things.

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>>52179778
daemons already crush the daemon hunters and now you wanna hand the daemon player a better weapon while the grey knight player gets to reroll 1s? not even slaanesh approves of this rape

How good of an idea is is to use the Deathwatch codex to make 'Devastator' Terminator squads loaded up with Assault cannons or missile launchers?

>>52179812
Regular marines can't, but Blood Angles have a 3-5 Dreadnought Formation

>>52179795
If you want real generalists, your best options for Tactics would be Ultramarines or Red Hunters.

>>52179884
>>52179884
T-tanks

That sounds fun

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>>52179843
Got rekt by Shadowsun.

dat girl-on-girl action tho

>>52179927
Blue marines don't have it! But red marines do!

I play marines and I get annoyed about the amount of different codex and supplement for the same fucking army

>>52179883
Pls no

>>52179192
Look at my gold painted rhino!
>Why is the frontal Glacius mustered yellow?
We ran out of gold paint fixing the glancing hits.

>>52179911

Strictly they aren't really Devastator terminator squads if they don't have full shooty equipment with no close combat weapon.

Say like, oh, terminators with missile launchers, assault cannons and storm shields. Heck, if house ruling that unit spot them the Deathwing knight ability for a unit with all shields to stand in base contact and become T5.

But back in units that actually exist, yes. You want to spam all heavy flamers or all assault cannons depending on intended role.

Missile launchers and lightning claws is a fun if expensive way to absolutely maximise your AP3.

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>>52179795
Ultramarines.

>>52179953
Oh well that's pretty epic then, honour able deaths are A -OK

>>52179795
If this is your first army, Imperial Fists chapter tactics are nice because they're simple and easy to remember, as well as being a slight buff to your regular dudes and your devastators.

Ultramarines give some nice bonuses as well, and have a slew of characters to choose from.

Red Hunters have a ton of USRs that you can use, but only one per game!

>>52179871

>Only tax is a drop pod

How?

>>52179983
I really don't want to be bullied

I think I might do Imperial Fists. I like yellow anyway

>>52179953
Please tell me it is fan art.

>>52179884
>Your Dudes

This concept stopped mattering years ago.

>>52179956
They really should just dump them all into one codex, expand what Chapter Tactics do (like giving all Blood Angels Furious Charge and some other crap) and give each Chapter a few pages containing their Formations, Detachment and unique characters/units.

It'd be a pretty fat codex but that shouldn't be a huge problem if they finally introduce easy to access digital releases.

>>52179795
>>52179865
Ultramarines are the most well rounded ,but Imperial Fists give their bonus to bolter fire which gives you enough flexibility if you like infantry.

I personally love sternguard in drop pods enough that I would've collected fists if I didn't already have smurfs.

>>52179943
Tanks? Iron Hands, no question. They get self-repairing tanks, iirc.

>>52180011
Good choice.

>>52179953
>missing out on a top-tier ass-shot

Fuck you, GW, you damn faggots.

>>52179843
No, she disguised herself as an ethereal but before shadowsue got close enough, she noticed the lack of pheromones and backed up enough to not get stabbed fatally. The callidius kills a couple of Tau background haracters before getting shot. She probably has the least impressive showing of all the assassins.

This one probably one of the biggest plot armor moments of the books, right up there with the Tau not being absolutely fucked by having their spiritual leader killed slowly and brutally by a culexes in the back of a shed

>>52180024
Iron Hands... excuse my noobishness fellows. But... tell me about the Iron Hands?

>>52180014
This is what I think they should do. Have a section header reading "X chapter units/formations" that precedes the stuff that chapter gets.

>>52180011
You won't actually be bullied, that's just a 1d4chan meme. If you like fists more then stick with fists though. Just don't hold out for rogal any time too soon

>>52179982
I had been considering Missile launchers with a few Stormshield/Hammer combos mixed in to offer some extra protection, but something tells me that's going to get really expensive really fast.

I probably would be better off house-ruling honestly. I think my friends would be fine with me kitting out some ultra-shooty Terminators.

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>>52180011
You don't have to be yellow

There going to be any more GW announcements at that event today?

>>52178613
what list builder is this

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>>52179465
ok attempt 2

>>52180045
Yeah, pretty much just encompass Angels of Death and the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves supplements and codices into the core codex, add some more spice to each Chapter Tactic and then first list all the generic stuff, then sort them like you said.

>>52180031
Tau fluff got anime protagonist plot armour since 5th. Before that it was tolerable to faction circle jerk.

>>52178078
indeed!

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>>52180074

I honestly can't tell if it's bait, illiterate retards, or people pretending to be retarded at this point.

Chalk another one on the bingo.

>>52180006

Flesh Tearers detachment, tax is 1 HQ 1 troop 1 fast attack.

Take a librarian dreadnought, Cassor the Damned the named troops death company dread (his rules only exist hard copy, you will need to eBay the campaign rules for him) and a drop pod.

Fill out your list with a frag cannon furioso, one or both forge world super dreads (Deredeo or Leviathan) then whatever else you feel like.

>>52178087
is that you 1000heathens?

>>52180078
That was pretty much how it worked during 3rd when codex where not release yet.

>>52180060
Who even is the best space marine chapter?

So what are the chances of the end of this two year campaign bollocks, if GW lasts that long, Gulliman's armour gets shagged and he has to go back into stasis bcause the eldar won't rebirth him again as Chaos is gone after Abaddon gets got?

>>52180027
i no rite

>synskin is canon spray-on bodypaint
>no nipples

An injustice is what it is.

>>52179983
I still want to read regular marines' reaction to their primarch coming back to life. And Guilliman's reaction to the modern Ultras.

I mean, in 30k they're seen as demigods and treated with reverence but they're a common fixture so to speak. It's nothing out of the ordinary to have the Primarch around. But in 40k it's been like 8-9 thousand years since any loyalist Primarch has been seen about. Even the Daemon Primarchs haven't been seen by more than a small group of marines or the Grey Knights. Nobody really expects them to ever come back, they're legends. It's kinda like Catholics and Christians talk about Jesus' Second Coming but nobody really expects him to suddenly appear and actually do shit.

But this big blue fucker did. I want to read some shit.

>>52180132
Astral Knights.

>>52180031
>She probably has the least impressive showing of all the assassins.

No, that would be the Vindicare.

Only the Culexus and, predictably, the Eversor didn't embarass the Imperium.

>>52180132
Sallies or GK

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>>52180144

>>52180170
How did each Assassin fail or succeed?

>>52180183
Yeah pretty much just a big wave of "What the fuck, Captain?" but I want to read some novel or at least a short story about this shit. I'm hungry for it, now that there's such story movement.

>>52179896
Doesn't PE only proc against the warlord, though? Where does it say it'd apply to the entire enemy army?

>>52180144
Knowing the Ultramarines;

>My Lord, the Primarch awakens! He joins us in battle once more!
>By the Throne, we've waited so long for this day and now it's finally here....QUICKLY, GET AN ASTROPATH CONNECTION WITH EVERY NON-CODEX CHAPTER IN THE IMPERIUM SO WE CAN LAUGH IN THEIR FACES!

>>52180128
depends what you mean by best
DA have the best bikes
SW and BA have the best cc units
TheDorns are the Shootiest
The Hands are the Tankiest
The Khans are the Bikiest
The Birds are the Sneakiest
way back home

>>52178638
you fuckin look like 1000heathens models

>>52180225
welp i glossed over that bit, but you can give daemon to independent characters.

W..wait

Who are the Marines Malevolent?

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Dare I ask how one make the sign of the Aqvila as a hand gesture?

>>52178421
Lord Commissar, don't the tau use energy weapons?

>>52180310
cross your hands making it so that your thumbs touch each other

>>52180304
Literally the best chapter in the Imperium. Anyone who says otherwise is a retard.

>>52180310
Cross your hands across your chest while linking the thumbs. Also report to your local commisar for forgetting one of the basics of the faith citizen.

>>52180040

the iron hands are a bunch of cyborg soldiers who replace their body with mechanical pieces and have a hard on for efficiency.

this has led to a callous and dismissive attitude to non-combatants and friction with chapters who aren't quite so static in their thoughts.

they venerate their primarch like most chapters, but he would have been disgusted by their wholesale abandonment of their human form in favour of cybernetic augments.

this was because they were all trying to imitate his own necrodermus hands but never realised that he hated them.

>more updates on this over the next few hours
>they said 5 hours ago
I'm still trapped by snow BUILD YOUR SCHEDULE AROUND MY WEATHER YOU CHEEKY CUNTS

>>52180345

*BLAM*

Such devotion will not be messed with as long as I live, I swear by the Throne!

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Rate my fluffy list.

>>52180304
some 2nd rate chapter, they are mostly hated as they take the "end justifies the means" ideology to far

they are one step from renegades

>>52180351
If you were to use them on the table top, what chapter tactics do you use?

>>52180310
Basically butterfly hand puppetry

>>52180228
>The collective salt of those chapters fills the eye of terror and chaos is defeated at last

>>52178991
fucking fish people >:(

>>52179953
y does she have a nose reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>52180031
>Callidus can't even accomplish something that simple

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>>52180249
Hehe

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>>52180348
>>52180358
phew okay cause I had visions of this in my mind, kind of destroyed the majesty

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>>52180376
>3 triumvirates
>DA detachment

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>>52180186
Vindicare fudged his shot and got blinded by a photon grenade, then ventilated with pulse carbine fire from Darkstrider.

Callidus got outed before she could get close enough to Shadowsun, who melted her with a fusion blaster shot.

The Eversor crashed through a wall of a training dome, laughing maniacally, killed a bunch of Farsight's Crisis suited bodyguards before getting cut in half by the Dawn Blade. Then the top half of it crawled towards Farsight, laughing maniacally, then exploded.

The Culexus walkd past an entire Tau army, murdered the Spehs Pope's entire bodyguard because they were all relying on their helm cameras/sensors which the assassin didn't show up on, the Pope's floating rascal scooter got a puncture and he tried to waddle away on foot, at which point the Culexus grabbed him and killed him. Messily.

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>>52178068
(you)

>>52180031
Callidus can even pass as Orks or Eldar. Races that can either feel your non Ork mind or read your non Eldar mind, but some how the no Psyker blue fish people just know she is fake? And you tell me Tau fluff is not just a giant plot armour.

If someone likes the Tau fluff is crazy

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>>52180430
Oh wow.

Vindicare missing a shot in fluff just feels wrongs
Callidus getting notice by Tau is just out right wrong.
The other two I'm ok with. Even with the silly dawn blade but I'll give it a pass because Farsight is a nice character

>>52180435
>Implying it's bait
>Implying I didn't just need an excuse to post that pic
>implying a qt empress wouldn't be better than giant-gold-man-with-tiny-head

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>End of Fracture of Biel-tan shows Storm Trooper fighting with the Eldar against the Black Legion
>Never mentioned in Rise of the Primarch

>>52180450
Don't you spread the fingers a bit? I thought I saw official art of the Aquila sign somewhere

>>52180443
Show me examples of this ork and eldar shit you speak of. Cause the Callidus just barely got away with it, she actually did have shadowsun fooled at the start, but the polymorphine cannot replicate the pheromones the Ethereals exhude.

Makes me think that the cloaking aspect is merely physical. Sure, it can turn a 5 foot 60kg woman into a 7 foot 200kg ork nob but it can't make you think or behave like a nob.

>>52180500
maybe they all got killed?

>>52177989
I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have a link to the PDF of the 2016 Kill Team rules? My book went MIA and I don't want to have to buy another boxed set to get a replacement physical copy..

>>52180500
Fall of Cadia, not a single thing for Cadians or Imperial Guard.
You can now use imperial shit more easily with double cad the formation!

Sisters of Battle! Oh just their living Saint Warp demon thingy, fuck the SoB army enjoy the double CAD!

GW hates mortals just look at AoS the mortal armies are totally supported guys! Same model from WHF. Yeah right.

>>52180502
That was the entire thing about Callidus they could totally mimic the target race.

Wonder if I can find the RT book for Assassins.

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>>52180516
igotchu

>>52180502
There's this short story by Ian Watson, that has an assassin successfully infiltrate a genestealer cult and murder the patriarch. She comes off as a legitimate hybrid, and is still able to turn back to normal.
Although the story is a bit older, not sure about more recent fluff.

>>52180443
>And you tell me Tau fluff is not just a giant plot armour.
Except I literally stated that in the exact post you responded to, read my whole post before you talk shit, it's only a couple more lines, shouldn't be too hard for you.

>>52180482
He didn't miss his shot, he hit farsight with his shield breaker round before one of the bodyguards got in the way of the killing shot. The callidius shit was plot armor though, even if she was discovered, there's no way she loses out to shadowsue in such a close ranged fight
>>52180500 there were like 100 storm troopers left by the time the eldar showed up, they likely all died in transit the webway. Worth mentioning that every mortal soldier who participated in guillimans crusade got captured and sacrificed offscreen

>>52180643
>Didn't miss the shot
>Hit someone else
How is that not missing the shot?

>>52180672
>look out sir on a 4+ for ICs

>>52180672
He hit the wrong guy, duh.

>>52180672
it doesn't matter, whoever writes the tau fluff should be butchered so hard that would make night lords blush

>>52180643
>they likely all died

Just like using them on the tabletop then!

>>52180705
Table top =/= fluff

Look out sir would be something along the lines: Random dude sees a "danger" proceeds to "Mr President" his sir

This is just Vindicare missing and hitting someone else.

>>52180142
Imagine they put pasties on before getting sprayed down

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Playing Against orks tomorrow how do I look?

>>52180803
>vs orks
Bring literally anything.

Some times I want a decade with no marine release of any kind.

Someone to fuck up Tau and Eldar like they fuck up Nids.

In all honesty I just want functional rules for everyone. I can live with stronger and weaker armies while nothing is out right Broken or unusable

>>52180803
Unless you are a retard and/or roll only 1s you'll be ok against Orks.

>>52180606

Heralds of Ruin updated the rules with more polish, factions, and play-testing. You can google it since spam filter doesn't like the url.

>>52180842
That's something that bothers me with this game, how different the power levels are of armies, it's hard to gauge what a friendly power level is for a pickup game. It doesn't help that I play Tau, and have to worry about being called cheese and overpowered with zero riptides :c

>>52180763
Don't vindicares give a negative to LOS anyway?

>>52180894
More factions? Like who?

Do you know when exactly Lord Inquisitor will be released? April 2017?

>>52179185
Even in 30k they are underwhelming. Low model count armies have always struggled due to the fact that 2 BS 3 weapons are better than 1 BS 5 weapon. Custodes take that to an even greater extreme with every single model having at least two wounds and a 2+ armour save with WS and BS 5.

I would practically speaking only suggest using custodes as allies as they can perform well in assaults due to high stats and overall being hard to kill.

>>52180895
Bringing a single CAD, with 2 Melta Dominions, Flamer Seraphims and 3 Exorcist is consider broken and overpower. By bad players. There was this Riptide wing player that said my Melta Dominions where op. He had 3 Riptides at 1500. For a casual pick up game.

>>52180763
He didn't miss, his first round was a shield breaker that passed through and destroyed farsight shielding. The second shot, which wasn't a shield breaker, was stopped by the shield projector of one of his bodyguards.

>>52179476
Yvraine refused traveling with him to Terra because she is busy dealing with pylons, she will totally come back to save him or he will do next time.

>>52180945
>First shot does not kill its target.
>Second shot misses and hits a bodyguard

Again Vindicare missing.

>>52180930
Ummm...easier to just say they made like kill-team data slates for all the factions and put it together with a campaign system inspired by necromunda-mordheim. You should check it out if you don't like it you can use the GW version but I think the HoR version is a lot more definitive.

>>52180897
Yeah, -2.

>>52180987
So I'm looking and I must say this is extensive. I never thought I'd see rules for fucking Rogue Traders

>>52178764
Culexus are hyper rare and have more important shit to kill like Eldar, daemons, and rogue psykers. Honestly they are probably the most in demand seeing how useful they are and how rare they are. Literally any schmuck can be selected to become a vindicare, callidus, or eversor, becoming a culexus requires that one be born a pariah.

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Does it frustrate anyone else that they could have used this to introduce a Steel legion sprue, but instead defaulted to the BA scouts that were also in Lost patrol?

>>52180944
Fuck that guy. I've honestly thought about just nor running the tau and picking up something else due to how many complaints about them I get.

>>52180930
Like fucking everyone. Its great fun.

>>52181033
Well it is the only Assassin that can counter Tau plot armour.

Super snipers miss shots
Super Melee monster lose in Melee
Super infiltration can't infiltrate
Super anti-Psyker some how works against non psykers.

>>52181061
People bought this! It sure means they want Blood Angels.

Has nothing to do with Orks finally getting something or the awesome cheap terrain.

It must be the Marines!