Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52176997
Old thread: >>52169370

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70727/romance-of-the-righteous-kingdoms
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71538/hells-rebels-literally-cant-even-edition
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70552/shardwalkers
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71197/spheres-of-might-unofficial-playtest-the-harrowing-modified
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71590/puella-librum-daemonium
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71521/the-great-bamboozling
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67969/the-celestial-tournament
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67687/the-sultanas-hot-slave-harem
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/69210/taldor-ascendant
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67321/legacy-of-blood-and-flame

>>52177054
Shouldn't Taldor Ascendant be removed from that list, since it was a falsehood?

>>52176997
Well it never really came up in-game, but one of my characters (an Alchemist) figure out how to basically become a pseudo-lich. He created a permanent Magic Jar (effectively his phylactery), dumped his body in a stasis tube (permanent Elude Time, so the body can be retrieved), and created a bunch of Simulacra to become his bodies. So he's still alive, but he exists inside a magic item that's possessing clones of himself.

Quick! One of the players dropped from Dragons 2 and you need to plug that hole! Who would you pick?

>>52177099
Literally anyone from Dragons1.

>>52177099
Another male character, doesn't even fucking matter who as long as it isn't a trap. Jesus christ, choose PARTYDwarf. DHB would put a stop to this madness.

>>52177099
to plug the hole or to get dropped

>>52177099
>One of the players dropped from Dragons 2
Wait, really?!

>>52177099
C@

>>52177099
Literally NTRDwarf

Just get NTRDwarf.

>>52177119
What about Brejik?

>>52177099
Ulfric or Ephraim, considering the obvious implication of who'd be dropped.

>>52177121
It's a hypothetical.

>>52177155
O-oh...

>>52177099
I feel like there should be a Dragon PRINCE in the game, was there even one that applied?

>>52177099
DwarfHB. Stop the madness.

>>52177099
Probably Ulfric he seems the most fun

Kardri could also be fun

>>52177171
Just one.

It wasn't a very good application.

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Howdy /pfg/,

I'm working on material for a bloodborne campaign. Currently doing a bestiary and ran out of creative juice at F, so I decided to drop off new material for ya'll.

New since my last update: the Tomb Prospector archetype and Feat support.

>The Bloodborne Hunter
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NW98K-_vTEnS5ELs6UEZgu2WyMX0-hwrfEoMKGdUXlE

>Blood-Addled Hunter
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1U85TQ-_b_anKdM2O9AzRv0XPxvZTZA9y9w_4GgrAzf0

>Charred Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YbZaK9lW5eaw8xJ7kAOB2HbcA4ac1ypdcl_0nVu9D6s/edit?usp=sharing

>Church Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VXmJ-2sBdCT7W8gZ6uMYpT4nmVoaT3HBYa_5iyCqAUw/edit?usp=sharing

>Tomb Prospector
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13c-NyasEvB4m7TPpFxBMWIYDOaFV7ak99qW00tuKQq8/edit?usp=sharing

>Vileblood
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s5BDGbHbBVnoqLpgMAFAlyz2etbaRLcJouVraeJasRI/edit?usp=sharing

>Bloodborne Feats
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOPSV7xXPDat51PKw4K_4BZFiT4zd3X9P5yYGWk0FGE/edit?usp=sharing

>Sample Creature - Father Gascoigne
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AkUOjgItGhJD_ZEY0woQTPDJWxGorWIAV8Rgp2Bbf80/edit?usp=sharing

>Sample Hunter - Bone Ash Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KuETPf-GAAXCOixWrP9cgwpPptvsBPdPc8jkXVk3KDk/edit?usp=sharing

Feedback is always welcome!

>>52177187
Which was that, the Henshin Hero one?

Because I recall another guy was working on one, he was asking if the (pretty cool) art he'd found fit a Dragon Prince.

I guess he got culled by Eagle's early closure of apps.

>>52177175

DHB being accepted into a game is one of the Seven Seals, do you really want to bring about the end times and the Tribulation?

>>52177224
Yeah, the Henshin Hero one. Dunno about the guy you're talking about.

>>52177187
Damn

tfw your not so great app was the only "Dragon Prince"

>>52177227
The way things have been going?
Wouldn't be so bad, really.

>>52177227
DHB being published already happened. One of the two seals that mentioned him is already released, the second surely is to come soon.


The Game Starved Beast is growing ever more desperate, to the point he touches even ERP games with his tainted blight of character drowning in insecurities, self pity, bitterness, and shame. Truly a pitiable creature.

>>52177260

You're willing to endure seven years of DHB and ERP?

>>52177204
Which of these would have all the strange bloodborne sorceries?

>>52177227
Compared to this? Yes, that would be preferable.

>>52177260
>>52177267
AR 4017: Day of Rovagug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfb_n7wjb5k

>>52177259
You went a little overboard with the mutant stuff in the backstory and the personality section was really, REALLY short despite being much more important. I liked the art and sheet though, and you weren't the worst app by any means.

>>52177267

>SwimmingEagle is the Whore of Babylon

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>52177303
If we are to make a choice. A crossroad of destiny between DHB and ERP.

I choose DHB.

>>52177303
If it means an end to the chaos afterwards? Yes.

>>52176997
Would a Herald Caller Cleric VMC Summoner be too OP for the tournament ? I don't want to faceroll everything.

>>52176997

As can be shown by what occurred during the last thread, Roryposting can get super toxic, super quickly. From what I recall, someone reposted the logs that were shared in the last thread to this one. Like, right as the first post. That wasn't me. Whoever did that, shame on you.

Folks, I want to sincerely apologize. For all the Roryposting. All of it. This got a little out of hand a lot too quickly.

I'm sorry, I hope you'll forgive me.

>>52177326
DHB is the grail. It promises wishes, balanced martials, neat homebrew, an end to the madness, but it is nothing but pain and corruption!

>>52177204
bloodborne is my shit, keeping an eye on this material

>>52177383
It's alright dude, really. We all get a bit carried away sometimes.

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>>52177383

FWIW, he's being honest. It was totally me.

I lost to the memes.

>>52177319

It's nice to know I wasn't the Worst, but I definitely have a problem with character focus and personality discrimination. Part of that is My group is mostly war gamers, and only have Recently made a "No War Gaming" at the table. Kinda force more RP action, which some are better at then others.

I'm a fine role player, just bad background detailer. Was hoping to get some tips from the review anon, but then it closed early.

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>>52177308
Tomb Prospector or Church Hunter, depending on what you're looking for.

Alright, /pfg/ do you prefer to have a persistent line of characters you develop over time and can adapt towards many settings?

Or do you prefer to create a new character for each and every campaign?

>>52177383
An apology does not undo the damage. You must repent and accept your punishment.

Public execution.

>>52177440
You mean like family line?

>>52177444
kek wills it

>>52177099
Not me. I'm actually glad I didn't get picked if it means I don't have to interact with Rory. Guy's a black hole for attention. The only way anyone gets screen time is if he's attached to them. Meanwhile, I'd actually have negative character development and regress into a blank sheet.

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>>52177383
It's alright, senpai. Just get to work on that game of yours so I can apply to it.

>>52177413
>>52177420
Yeah. I'm going to restrain the posting to pfg to just updates on Blood Mountain and mechanicals stuff, as a few anons seemed interested in that. Roryposting derailed the last thread and I don't want that happening again

>>52177440

I don't do generic characters to be adapted.

I very much tailor every character to their specific scenario.

It is fortunate that I've always been accepted into every game that I've applied to.

I don't know what I'd do if I had to discard all these wonderful characters.

*quietly weeps because one game just REALLY started rolling and the GM had to pack up shop just when our characters were cool with each other*

>>52177440
I keep making female support casters of various reptilian species who are all different in personality and specific species.

>>52177383

>He's only upset about Roryposting when his logs got shared

Where was this attitude for the past week?

>>52177464
More like recycling the same character concept for multiple games.

>>52177440
I always make a new character for each and every campaign. I like trying to fit myself towards a theme, but even beyond that, I'm usually bored of a build after I've finished theorycrafting it so it doesn't even bother me if I never get to play with it. I'm back at coming up with ideas but good at crunch so having a campaign lead me helps.

>>52176997
>party reaches end of dungeon full of cannibalistic cultists
>Final chamber contains several ponds of demon blood, along with an alchemist and a cult leader
>Cult leader quickly transforms into a giant manlion monster, alchemist falls back to lob bombs from a distance
>Eldritch Guardian fighter's mauler familiar goes in to attack manlion, gets KO'd on a critical AoO
>Dwarven ranger steps up to fight manlion while fighter uses a scroll to absorb the familiar into his body to stop it from bleeding out
>Alchemist throwing Tanglefoot Bombs glues PCs in place to limit mobility, manlion eventually grabs ranger with bite attack and jumps to the other side of a blood pond with her
>Monk and Sorcerer focus on taking out the manlion, fighter and NPC fighter try to deal with alchemist
>Manlion drops ranger in the middle of the blood pond to maul her while she struggles to swim
>Fighter and NPC fighter have to make reflex saves VS tanglefoot bombs, ends terribly
>Monk and Sorcerer take out manlion, corpse begins writhing before its entire circulatory system voids itself and a blood ooze attacks the party, envelops and attempts to suffocate swimming ranger
>PC fighter KO'd by bomb hits, NPC fighter can't stand close enough to administer a potion because splash damage from a bomb thrown at NPC could kill the PC first
>Shit rolls and NPC status keeps NPC from killing the alchemist in a reasonable amount of time
>Ranger busy doing nothing but trying to get out of the ooze while the monk kicks the ooze ineffectually
>PC fighter bleeding out, almost dead when NPC fighter finally kills alchemist
>blood ooze suddenly releases ranger and disappears beneath blood pond
>PC fighter gets a CLW potion literally the turn before he would have bleed out to death
>Ranger is unconscious and mentally scarred

The party didn't wait to see if the blood ooze was coming back, but little do they know it escaped through a channel and will be appearing again later in a new host body.

>>52177473
>only way anyone gets any screen time

Have they had a session yet?

>>52177491

Sometimes people can fly off the handle. Geez, Roryposting is just memes dude, we're all meming all the time, and this past week has been SUPER MEME HEAVY.

Cut him some slack, and maybe we should all meme a little less.

>>52177491
Pretty sure he told people to calm their tits before, but now it's overboard

>>52177479
I tried to do the same thing but I had to discard so many character concepts I loved that I just stopped and started keeping long character documents I can ad-lib into any setting.

>>52177440
I make some ideas that I file away until they have a fitting campaign.

Otherwise, I try to never use the same character idea twice and keep trying new builds and schticks, creating a new one for each campaign.

>>52177473
Then say good things about the other characters that did get in and pick someone who would also fit well in there!

>>52177498
I have never done a pure cycling. I have made similar characters, but only when I either didn't get to play the original character or didn't get to play it much.

How do you troll the aristocracy? What about the magocracy?

>>52177440
While I tend to mix it up now more than ever, I have a few character 'archetypes' that I've carried through my years of RPGs, be they video games or tabletops mostly for nostalgia purposes

>>52177444
TRIPS DEMAND IT

>>52177383
>regrets the second he gets made fun of
Shouldn't have posted those logs bitch boi

>>52177542
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/aristocrat-s-nightmare/

Especially if they have a vault/Scrooge McDuck's money bin.

>>52177204
>>52177401
Incidentally, Bloodborne is a heavy source of inspiration for the game in >>52177502 so I will be keeping my eye on this.

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How, apart from your character being an actual weeaboo, do you justify them having a nodachi in Avistan?

I can't think of much more of a backstory justification than "from LotLK, trained by a tian dude".

>>52177643

Gambling.

>>52177643
They don't care that the weapon came from Tian Xia, they care about the weapon itself. The character is a weapon fetishist who collects all beautiful blades he sees, and the nodachi happens to be his favorite.

>>52177643
My app for Celestial Tournament was raised by monks in a Quain monastery.

>>52177643

It's a big, single-edged infantry weapon.

If falchions get a pass, so do these.

>>52177670

This right here.

>>52177643

"I looted this one from some the dead corpse of a dude with weird eyes." I like it a lot.

>>52177643
"It's a good sword"

>>52177643
Most of my martial characters forge their own gear.

So usually it's just they don't even know what a proper nodachi is and it'd just be something used in a similar style because they built a blade perfect for their fighting style.

>>52177643

Was looking through a weird merchant's wares, and thought "That is a cool-ass sword. I'm gonna learn to use it."

>>52177643
Refluff it as a bigass curved sword from another culture

>>52177511
No. That's just how bad I feel it will get. Roryanon may be trying to curb the memes now, but I predict others will push it back on him, making sure nobody can escape the hell of his design. It's the other part of the reason I'm glad I didn't picked: actually getting memes would probably killed the character for me.

>>52177529
I'll be honest, the fact that only one of the picked members is from the first week of applications, i.e. the people who actually wanted in to play and not meme, doesn't give me much faith in the rest of the party or even most of the other applications.

>>52177737
>Did you see those warriors from Katapesh?
>They've got curved swords.

>>52177643

REVENGEEEE!

>>52177788
C U R V E D S W O R D S

>>52177643
Armies change over time, and it means that they will naturally tend to upgrade their gear if they see a better version of what they have, can copy it and make it their own.

Mechanically, a nodachi needs no new proficiency other than martial, and with magic speeding travel and exchange of ideas, it would only make sense for the nodachi to be in a process of being adopted by all armies across Golarion as the nonreach martial weapon of choice to eventually replace most others.

Wait, how is The Celestial Tournament PvP and vote? What actually determines if you win?

>>52177713
>>52177726
This could probably grow into some weeb tendencies, I suppose.

>>52177805
Considering I'm already thinking of going mildly chuuni with this character, that could work too.

>>52177821
PvP for starters.

If the judges like what they saw, the vote for you. If not, they vote for the other guy.

In short, it's impressing the judges more then the other guy.

>>52177054
God, there are more /pfg/ games than I even realized. Are all of these recruiting and/or running or are some of these dead? Does this list go all the way back to the first memegame?

>>52177850
Wait, that doesn't make any fucking sense. It means the PvP doesn't matter, the judge votes decide who goes on.

What if the other guy dies? What, are they gonna res him to continue on?

>>52177866
The Great Bamboozling is a joke, Taldor Ascendant is dead and needs to be removed from the list. The rest are at the very least, tentatively real.

>>52177440
One should only go for the latter.
In most cases it's painfully obvious when someone's just reposting an application from elsewhere with - maybe - a sentence or maybe just 1-2 words changed to the new 'location'.

>>52177866
Taldor Ascendant is kill.

The Sultana's Hot Slave Harem is either kill or too shitty to be worth the time.

Legacy of Blood and Flame looks legit but has a much lower power level, and the GM has had to close it down once already due to 2hu.

The Great Bamboozling might actually be a real game.

>>52177898
>GM has had to close it down once already due to 2hu
Story?

>>52177892
>>52177898
The Great Bamboozling is too silly, self-aware, and stupid to not be a real game. If it was an actual bamboozle, it wouldn't be so obvious.

But then again, making people think like me is a great double-fakeout.

>>52178033
GM denies it, says it was just due to scheduling conflicts. I want to believe him.

...But that said, 2hu did ask more questions than anybody else, demand more than all the other interested players combined, and then posted a huge wall of text that ran roughshod over the GM's lore and inserted loli catgirls as a race.

>>52178080
DHB asks more questions than 2hu. DHB sometimes asks 20+ questions.

>>52178036
If it's real, then it's real. If it's not, nothing of value was lost.

>>52177888
>What, are they gonna res him to continue on?
Yes. the Gods oversee the tournament. Hence, "Celestial Tournament."

>>52178103
They're two sides of the same coin, those two.

I wonder what would happen if we put them in a room together? Would they explode, fall madly in love?

Or would one of them turn into a stupid-looking boss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzbr3vCBjw

>>52178144
I unironically want to play in a serious game with both of them, I'm just so fucking curious what kind of experience it'd be.

>>52178172

I've played with 2hu before, he is a wallflower.

>>52177383
Oh man, NOBODY in that group is going to fucking touch you now.

>>52178172
I'd play a game with DHB. Not 2hu though.

>>52178172
It'd be the closest thing we'd get to seeing an ORA ORA ORA/MUDA MUDA MUDA duel in dice-and-text form.

>>52177643
bought it from a merchant in either LotLK or Varisia. Turned out to be a wallhanger, but that didn't stop him from using it

>>52178144
Is DHB the Shadow or is 2hu the Shadow?

>>52178189

Super wallflower who optimizes for diplomacy and barely even says WHAT he's using the diplomacy for, who will go silent for 20, 30 minutes at a time when miffed to build a fucking case file over things said in logs to justify his grievances.

>>52178298
Yes.

>>52178172
I've GM'd for DHB before if you have any questions. I mentioned it a few threads ago, GM'd for him for six months a while back.

>>52178317
Don't worry, I caught that one. I can imagine a game with the two of them but I want to be in one to see it first hand. I'd probably apply to any game I saw both of them go in for regardless of rule set. I'm not a clever man.

>>52178172
>>52178227
They'd just turtle up and tag team each other off to tackle the tribulant challenges to triumph.

>>52178136

That's a full rack of baby back bullshit, Senpai. What's the point in optimizing when you just have to roleplay good?

>>52178336
I'd do the same just to see what goes down.

>>52178352
Because even if you want to pull off a The Thing and win by just never giving up, you still have to be able to tank a few hits until the judges realize that they can't just write you off.

>>52178136
That's a bunch of bullshit. What's even the point of the PvP if it's literally just a popularity contest?

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I've got a PVP tourney coming up in two weeks, and I'm making a gnome (for the CHA bonus) summoner with a dragon-like eidolon as a mount. Should I specialize in fire or electricity damage?

>>52177093
One of the coolest alternatives to lichdom I've ever seen
Hats off to you, sir
Definitely stealing it too

>>52178371
It's the worst of both worlds.

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So other characters are easy more, but how do I pic related? Is it really as easy as just making a Vivisectionist Alchemist?

>>52178370

Except like half of the contestants are built to nuke.

>>52178381
Neither. That's fucking terrible for PvP

>>52178370
The fucking players are judging, they're literally just going to ignore the matches and vote for waifus.

Veiled Moon, Elemental Flux or Riven Hourglass.

Which is the better discipline? Which is flashier? Which is both?

>>52178417
>>52178395
>>52178383
>>52178371
Also level 7 is way too low level to actually have really interesting gimmick builds. You don't have the money, feats, or class features for really weird shit.

I can't fucking see how someone thought this was a good idea.

>>52178420
Veiled Moon lets you

*teleports behind you* "Kssht. Nothing personal, kid."

>>52178417
>The fucking players are judging, they're literally just going to ignore the matches and vote for waifus.

Can't waifu a corpse.
Fucking hell that sounded really edgy.

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>>52178420
E. Flux gives more versatility and has solid damage booster stances. Riven hourglass has good counters and extra damage strikes. Veiled moon has ways to get touch attacks, movement and utility but lacks damage.

The better discipline depends on what else you have available. All three are as flashy as you can describe, which means for you personally none of them are flashy because you are a braindead moron who cannot look into a page on d20pfsrd.com and work out how to fluff things sweetly or how to judge mechanics.

>>52178470

That's what I said last thread and got fucking laughed at.

A Tournament for the Starstone overseen by the GODS THEMSELVES should be at least level 15.

>>52178503
They will literally just res who ever they vote for. The matches mean fucking nothing.

>>52178533
Level 15 would be the best level for this. Just ban a few spells and regulate what people can do in prep time.

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>>52178534
Might as well show them a good time anyway.

>>52178550
Why not lvl 16, with 40 PB, and 1 million starting GP?

>>52178563
It's just bullshit if you handily win your match and then "nope the other guy won, get out".

Why would they even hold matches?

Are there initiating cavalier or samurai archetypes?

>>52178582
>Why would they even hold matches?
To have their girl give them a handjob through the bucket of popcorn? To be entertained?

>>52177362
>Showing the gods you are just a wimp that uses others to do the work for him.

Shit plan desu senpai.

>>52178524

No joke, I think Kongou is beautiful even without the huge boobs.

They've got a nice shape, and that's what matters!

>>52178576
Level 15 means there is a difference in spell levels prepared and spontaneous casters get. 15 means 6th level casters don't have 6 level spells yet. 4th level casters have their whole list though.

That point buy at that point matters way less because of the money and other bonuses you have to stats. 40pb would just be increasing it for no reason, but not really effect the game that much.

Standard WBL at that level puts a constrain on what you can buy for the more strange builds.

>>52178616
>Not showing the gods that you're a good leader with a solid grasp of tactics

>>52178582
Except if you "handily" win your match then you'd probably win the vote. If you're a real curbstomper then they'll pick you so you can job for the real champions.

>>52178576

Level 15 gives 8th level maneuvers, tons of gold, a feat and the tiniest bit of wiggle room needed to say further development can occur.

32 PB is fine too.

>2hu just gave a good app to puella with asking almost no questions if any

>>52178631
>>52178616
>>52177362
Unfortunately that build is really vulnerable in PvP, you'd die way too easily. I keep saying PvP optimization and normal optimization are nothing alike.

>>52178643
Are you fucking implying you trust /pfg/ not to vote for a waifu over who ever was actually stronger?

>>52178666
Yes. As evidence, Casimir and DHB's rogue/oracle topped the chart for "Best RotJR characters" in an open vote.

>>52178652
How exactly is it vunerable ? Cleric has access to Sacred Summons, meaning he can summon shit as Standard action. If you then get shit like superior summoning and evolved summon monster you can dogpile enemies quite easily.

>>52178630

240k is a ridiculous amount of money, anon.

But I agree that I want my level 15 because I've got lofty, lofty goals for this character.

LOFTY!

>>52178682
So you agree with me that it's just a popularity contest? You literally just posted evidence to support what I said.

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Heya there, pardner. I hope you're doing alright and ya wanna hear about Blood Mountain. I've got a few notes about magic floating around. I believe I shared some earlier, and there's some religion stuff floating around too- I'm working on races as well and honestly I just really need to collect all my notes into one place and make them interconnected and readily availa-

wait

that's right

I made a google site that is under construction for this express purpose. It's right here: https://sites.google.com/site/bloodymountainpath/

Keep in mind, it's not even 5% of being close to done. It's more like 2.5% to being in a workable state. And it will likely see a lot of revisions. But /still/ if people are interested then they can bookmark it. I might eventually run a blog on stuff so that y'all can be more easily updated.

>>52177784
I'm tired of the memes too anon. They're starting to piss me off as well. I'm not in the mood for discussing them, and I'm reminded that I ought to work on Blood Mountain some more.

Truth be told, the last thread was hilarious for multiple reasons, the least of which was the whole "Rory NTRs the entirety of /pfg/" but that's all I'll say about that because even I am getting sick of the memedog's memery

>>52178699
240k is barely enough to get real gimmicks going.

>>52178708
No, go fuck yourself. "Oh look at me, boo hoo I made a mistake and had too many memes". Fucking kill yourself, you have no fucking place to talk. You pushed this fucking cancer on us and now are acting like you're a fucking victim. Jesus fucking christ you piss me off.

You're a fucking piece of human garbage, god damn I hope your game crashes and burns.

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>>52178708
Thanks, senpai. I'll be sure to take a look.

>Want to use TWF and Magus spellcasting
>Can't use 3pp because Celestial Tournament, so I can't even take that kinda shit archetype
>Suddenly remember that I can put Dancing on one sword
>So I can throw my off-hand weapon into the air and let it attack on it's own while I go in with my Black Blade and use Spellstrike and shit
Fuck yes

>>52178703
Neither Casimir nor DHB's was a waifu.

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>>52178647
This is not 2hu, just one of their friends.

>>52178618
Yes, but she would be better with them!

>>52178703
Oh it's a popularity contest, but the trick is obvious to be the best daddy.

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So I've thought it over, rolled some bones, and I am actually considering raising the starting level of Legacy of Blood and Flame to 2nd or 3rd, with appropriate WBL.

But first, pitch it to me. Why is a higher level necessary, apart from the fear of death? How exactly would this change your PC to make them stronger or more workable *as a character* than if they were level 1?

What's the best weapon style for a slayer: two-handed weapon, two weapon, double-weapon, or something else?

>>52178773
You're right, they might not vote for waifus. It'll just be a shitty popularity contest where the matches don't matter.

>>52178746
> 240k is barely enough to get real gimmicks going.

Okay now I know you're trolling.

>>52178782
That's fucking stupid. The real trick is to be the greatest Doug_

>>52178787
>Why is a higher level necessary, apart from the fear of death?

It isn't for my character. Still, it would be nice to have anyway.

>>52178787
A level 1 character essentially can't be justified as anything but a fresh recruit out of training. Anyone who has spent time in the field will progress to level 2-3. It opens up a lot of character concepts.

It also makes builds more interesting, giving you more room to work with something. Many builds don't mean anything at level 1 due to the absolute minimum resources you have.

>>52178708
Oh shut the fuck up. You say you don't want to meme and then you go and post ERP logs onto the thread.

How about you fuck on off to obscurity?

>>52178790
>What's the best weapon style-
Two-handed.

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>>52178647
It's almost as if it's not 2hu!

>>52178798
No it is. Real gimmicks are fucking expensive. The build I had planned out requires a bunch of feather tokens, an adamantine box, and a several lyres of building.

>>52178827
What's wrong with being a fresh recruit?

>>52178708
>I'm tired of the memes too anon. They're starting to piss me off as well. I'm not in the mood for discussing them, and I'm reminded that I ought to work on Blood Mountain some more.
Fucking kill yourself, don't fucking act like a victim you piece of fucking garbage. You brought this on us and now you go "oh waaah, I don't like being made fun of". Fucking off yourself.

>>52178708
Oh fuck off, you dug this grave, go lay in it. I would bet money - CASH FUCKING MONEY - that this sudden change of heart is because the other person in your shit ERP logs didn't appreciate you dumping them on god damn 4chan

>>52178860
Nothing inherently wrong with it. It just limits your story options as a character to just fresh recruit. A level 3 character can still be a relatively green recruit as well, just went through more intense training.

>>52178850
goddammit stop trying to be copy 2hu to be borg hikkimori neet

>>52178787
It's not a necessity and doesn't make a big difference in the long run, I'm not sure it'd have any affect on your applicant count really, but the sooner you get out of power attack hell the better.

Level 3 makes a lot of classes smoother and opens up second level spellcasting which is nice, and it gives people a good time with character building. You can plan for your 4th level attribute bonus, you can write your multiclass into your backstory. In your case it also means that the free VMC will do something right off the bat.

>>52178787
Can't apply because of schedule, but the high the starting lv the more history a player can get to the character. As >>52178827 said, it's hard to justify a "veteran soldier" at 1st lv where that is basically a "green" newbie.

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>>52178708
>Oh look I didn't realize I was doing, I'm innocent
Fuck off you ass hat. Jesus christ.

>>52177643
The balance and stance innate to the blade is more comfortable in your hands compared to other weapons; a Nodachi is similar to a shortspear and a claymore, which makes it excellent to use in a situation where you might need to jab at the foe as well as when you have the available room to swing it around. I could see a Viking- or a Celtic-inspired character finding the nodachi to be a natural progression to their standard weaponry, with just a small refluff. Or maybe not even that; they bought it off of a merchant after they extolled its virtues, and now they use it comfortably.

>>52178746

Oh hogwash, 240k is a ton.

>>52178880
The Adamantine box is to force the other contender to play the most dangerous shell game possible. Really I should have 5 adamantine boxes but shit they are expensive as shit. 240k won't cover even that.

What is the skill roll required for haggling?

>>52178924
But

Shell games are always rigged

>>52178779

No! Kongou is gorgeous with shapely medium-sized cannons!

>>52178922
Yeah if you just want to buy standard gear for that level. If I want to do something really weird I need a lot of money. Like I said >>52178924 the adamantine box shell game fight costs a fuck ton. Especially since I have to repurpose things each time so it isn't just repeating the same fight.

>>52178941
appraise

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Alright, I've made up my mind now. As of about a minute ago, starting level has been raised to 3rd, with wealth by level plus max default gold for your class.

>>52178941
Appraise, Diplomacy/Intimidate/Bluff, appropriate Knowledge and Spellcraft.

>>52178582
Ever seen professional wrestling?
Ever thought to yourself, "this is so fake, I could crush any of these people"?
That's the reason, THAT is the thing. Yes, you probably could defeat any of them in a minute or two. But that's not what people come to see. A bloodbath is cathartic but unimpressive, an "even and close match", even when it's clearly staged, is a spectacle to behold.

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>>52178968
Note to self: Remember to actually write the name if you're going to fucking namefag.

>>52178951
Yes, and so is this one. I never actually said I was under any of the boxes. These kinds of high level fighters about forcing your opponent to lose any idea of the fuck is going on.

It's about taking over the tempo of the match. Your gimmick needs to be more bullshit and all consuming than their's. I have several that I wanted to use but we're way too low level and don't have nearly enough money.

Another one requires 20 robes of useful items.

>>52178790
Two-handed or archery, or both.

Slayers can do any pure martial job pretty well though, they're basically a jack of all trades martial.

>>52178972
Again I don't fucking trust /pfg/ to not just ignore the matches and vote as a popularity contest rather than the in match performances.

>>52178956

So you're complaining about tons of money that isn't tons of money because you have a very specific type of gimmick?

>>52178968
>>52178989
Nice.

>>52178688
Mate you are going against minmaxed PoW initiators. They can literally down you in a turn if they both decide to burst you. Fights will probably be a coin toss about who wins initiative.

>>52178787
Opens up more in-depth concepts.
Lets various builds come online more easily without worry (gishes in particular approve of being competent at both martial and spellcasting).
More likely to have cool items, rather than the basic set of "shit I need to not die at 1st, and will then never use again".

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>>52178952
Everything is better as a draph.

>>52179018
The only gimmicks you can have without a bunch of money are class feature gimmicks which fucks over everyone who isn't a caster. Cool item gimmicks are spice that provides tons of variety to the matches.

This specific one costs a lot, but I have run similar high level tournaments before. The best fights are the ones built around stupid fucking item gimmicks.

>>52178989
Link your game please? Don't assume you're so fucking famous that anyone gives a flying fucking ape raping mudd butt shit flinging fuckaroo who you are, autistic door knob humper.

>>52178688
You die round 1 when you go from full HP to perma death because you lost initiative and were full attacked.

>>52179032
Having a summoned buddy is actually pretty handy though against PoW; they can only really fight against one of you at a time, which draws their attention away easily.

>>52178972
I was gonna make the same comparison. But of course these anons don't get it.
>>52179016
m9, /you/ are /pfg/. There are two possibilities here, either you're the only one whinging about this or you think that you're going to be unable to vote.

>>52179068
It is round 1, he won initiative, he full attacks, you are now dead.

You need to way to ensure you don't die round 1 after losing initiative.

>>52179068
Not really, they'll just gimp your ass turn one, laugh at your summon that can't do shit to them, and then gimp them the next.

>>52179039

Okay not going to lie, if someone used that as character art I would waifu them in an instant.

>>52179077
I can not fathom folks to actually trust /pfg/ to vote based on coolness of the match rather than along tribal lines. Like if DHB applied I doubt he would win any match no matter the show he put on.

>>52179079
That depends on how many prep time you have. A single round before Battle start means around 4 creatures that can form a literal meatshield around you.

>>52178420
The "overall strongest" is Elemental Flux. At all levels it gives strong boosts to your damage, defenses and utility. It works for everyone, and at the highest levels negates immunities, which is an absolute requirement against high-CRs for anyone using elemental damage.

Veiled Moon is hampered by its heavily melee limitation and restrictions on either target types or conditional requirements on occasion. It has a lot of really nice effects, but its low level stances are quite 'meh' compared to newer disciplines, and if you're not melee it loses even more value.

Riven Hourglass loses a few manuevers if you're ranged, but offers powerful options at high levels. While it does less than most for your damage, it offers strong defensive counters and at the highest levels will grant you one of the holy grails of d20-system combat: additional actions. The "free haste" is often touted and yelled about, but everyone ends up getting some sort of haste effect by 6th-7th anyways, and will always have it on long enough to handle every combat for the day if they need it. RH just offers it cleanly without meanderings or bypasses, but it doesn't offer 'more' than anyone else can get in that fashion. Other than it, RH is pretty unimpressive until you finally get the action fuckery. Make it high enough, and it will have been all worth it.

>>52179096
>Like if DHB applied I doubt he would lose any match no matter how much of a literal shit show he put on.
FIFY

>>52178952
I like how so many of the uh... manga... about those ship-girls involves, uh, producing more ship-girls.

>>52179116
Ok, how are they actually going to defend you from a full attack?

>>52179016
first two rounds are apparently the GM's vote, so a lot of memes will probably get weeded out, leaving only actual characters to vote from

>>52179157
>he thinks /pfg/ only waifus memes!

>>52179147
Standing between me and the enemy. You can make them large quite easily with a lesser rod of giant summoning. 3 of those can cover your flanks and front

>>52178972
Actually, when you think about it, professional wrestling takes some impressive skill and training.

It's easy to just punch a guy, but what you have here is someone throwing another 10 feet down onto some very thin rubber mats (they absorb some shock but not much), or into taut steel cables with thin rubber coating (again; very painful at full force), and so on.

Not only do you have to be able to actually pick up and throw some 250lb man over the fucking ring, you BOTH also have to be able to do this in a way that neither of you turns paraplegic on the spot.

Even if these guys aren't really fighting, and the storylines are... ever so corny... it's still like an extremely dangerous ballet where the person you need to catch in her swan-dive is 250lbs and coming in knee first.

... Although they may just be wearing the same clothes.

We've been spoiled. Having games to try out for is no longer good enough, now people're willing to shop around for them and complain about games they dislike instead of just ignoring them.

>>52179198
They provide cover, he has seeking, you are still not defended because allies do not provide full cover. You are still dead.

>>52179198
And when they get behind your dumb ass?

I'm low level and the wizard of the party and so far I can barely do anything other than knowledge rolls to actually help. My GM says I can remake it. How do I make an interesting to play low-level wizard?

>>52179229
And then they say "Psssh...nothin personnel...kid!"

>>52179220
He takes 3 AOOs from beasts with +12 STR. He dies first.

>>52179143

Ship sluts need to get put in the dry docks!

>>52179207
Oh, it's absolutely a dangerous and tricky performance art, no doubt about that. But the actual concept of "John Cena could kick Dwayne Johnson's ass in a straight fight" or the reverse isn't what matters in wrestling, it's all about the PRESENTATION of a good fight. Similarly, The Celestial Tournament would probably run on the same rules; someone kicking the other guy's ass ten ways to Sunday isn't a good show, but a gish-wizard and a rapier-fighter duking it out in what looks to be an "even" fight is more likely to get both people some points from the GM, even if the wizard should clearly be the winner.

>>52178972
>this is so fake
Thing is wrestling is a legit fighting style. Some neckbeard couldn't put a scratch on someone with actual wrestling training.

>>52179247
He's attacking from range. This was always the case.

>>52179247
What do you do when he uses a teleport via veiled moon to move there without provoking AoOs?

>>52179247
>takes AoEs
>using seeking
>obviously shooting at you from range
Don't fucking think so bitch boi

>>52179269
>>52179207
This. Playing a "150 damage per attack" initiator or a "good luck I'm behind 40 summons" wizard is like playing John Cena being his completely-invincible blando-the-magnificent self.

You've got to SELL your fight, make it into a story. Work on your promos, add some style. Rehearse a bit if you need to, and occasionally check with your "opponent" to make sure they're doing alright and ready for the next step of the performance you're putting on together.

>>52179286
Well in that case there is no reason to summon the 3 large hellhounds on top of him. Still takes 3 AoOs ;^)

>>52179269
Ok, it's round 1, in the first action the guy kills his opponent.

Do you make the other guy win by default despite not having seen anything he's done because obviously the guy who shot him didn't give a good fight?

>>52179334
So you're saying that before initiative started you can win if you're already surrounded him on all sides by summons?

Yes, because that's totally gonna be allowed.

We're talking once combat has fucking started, he fires at you from range, teleports with veiled moon, or one of several dozen other ways to get to you without provoking AoOs. How do you not die?

>>52179348
No, as the GM I'd say "rematch, make it look fun", simple as that. What >>52179326 said basically; sell the fact that you're struggling and winning by the skin of your teeth, or that you're losing in a way that's the most humiliating way for your foe.

>>52179311
Then obviously he cant full attack, given that maneuver is a move action.

>>52179348
Not necessarily. But going by how I'd run things in a WWE-style game...

You make sure to set up the guy against a stronger opponent. If he keeps being a boring shit, you set him up to take a fall. Probably even just inform him that he's going to lose his next match, because the crowd has turned on him and sees him as a boring juggernaut.

>>52179334
>Well in that case there is no reason to summon the 3 large hellhounds on top of him. Still takes 3 AoOs ;^)
He still teleports next to you with veiled moon, attacks you, and you die. I'm not seeing how them being on top of him makes you anything but more vulnerable.

>>52179385
Yeah I'm gonna be perfectly honest. Pathfinder is not a system that supports those kinds of fights at all, like at all, it actively discourages fights from happening that way.

>>52179387
Steel flurry strike with steel fist boost?

>>52179407
Broken Blade is banned senpai.

>>52179373
Fair enough. I cast invisibility before the fight, and summon minster is not an aggressive actiom last time I checked.

>>52179403
But this isn't WWE style, it's a tournament to see who will be a god.

Tournaments with popularity votes are fucking dumb.

>>52179387
There are teleportation boosts as well.

I'm looking at gunsmoke mystic for the first time, does this pan out well? I'm unfamiliar with PoW so it's hard to tell how it all jives together.

>>52179419
He has see invisibility, you have been shot and die. You need to be able to beat his perception check while not invisible.

>>52179432
You dumbdumb THAT'S THE FUCKING GM YOU'RE TALKING TO! Show some respect maggot.

>>52179439
Gunsmoke Mystic lets you use a gun without needing to be a Gunslinger or a Trench Fighter, and it saves on ammo costs and repairing your gun. It's good; not as great as the unarchetyped Mystic, but good for guns.

>>52179461
I'm talking to a fucking anon, god fucking dammit, he's saying how HE would run such a game. Fuck.

Oh look at me, I'm the fucking GM now, abloo bloo bloo, only waifus win

Fuck off.

cant the wizard just ready an action to teleport or something?

>>52179519
You can only ready actions while in initiative. So you need an action in combat to happen before you can ready an action.

>>52179456
Well, i guess its time to make anothe generic DEXfag initiator with +12 initiative : ^)
Or maybe, just maybe, running into people that play a cardboard cutout of a 1 round killer build will be filtered during the first two rounds.

>>52179495
If you're going to impersonate me, at least get the punctuation right, shitlord.

>>52179762
Shit. Need to push mine higher then.

>>52179770

No, I'm the real article!

Seems like it would be better if, instead of just having fights to impress judges, the warriors had to cooperate to accomplish some goal and try to look cool while doing it. Possibly with secret missions the other PCs don't know about?

>>52179799
Wow, look at this faker!

>>52179762
No that's the fucking point. PvP optimization all goes towards one thing if you actually want to win.

The fucking issue is if you want "interesting fights" you need time to have characters do their set up for gimmicky shit.

But the level isn't high enough for really strange/gimmicky builds. You don't have the money or levels for it.

Basically we are asking to be gimmicky and interesting in our fights without being given the tools to do so. I was saying before you need a lot more money than current to really bring bullshit to the fight.

Something has to change, either give us the actual resources to do cool shit, or make the fights actually about the fight.

>>52179247
Good luck with that, I'm a Zen Archer/Hawkguard Warder. I stopped taking AoOs back at level 3.

>>52179804
Or we all could just do one giant dance routine. That might woo the judges over.

>>52179862
I'll allow it.

>>52179862
>fights devolve into horizontal tangos
suddenly votes spike

>>52179845
That is not really the case. People will be able to one shot you still. The burst craziness of an initiator only increases in higher levels.

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>>52179840
>>52179799
>>52179770
>>52179495
No, I'm LiterallyWho!

>>52179845

Want me to give you gimmick?

Let's say my character has Veiled Moon, he initiates a standard maneuver strike against a standard target.

Suddenly his soul is popping out of his body like the Necromonger Emperor from Riddick, assaulting the foe on two fronts with a phantasmal display of ectoplasmic excellence that shimmers and shrieks with a pale countenance in the gloom of the room.

DM says it was a hit? No it wasn't, you clearly roughed the opponent up but you declare it didn't cause any actual damage.

>>52179840
You're comparing yourself to me? Ha! You're not even good enough to be my fake!

>>52179910

I think Calistria would pop a lady boner if one of the women got triple-teamed on the field.

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>>52179762
>+12 initiative
You are like slow little babby to me

>>52179945
I'm mirin that initiative, senpai.

>>52179845
Gimmicks require a gentlemen's agreement between players that they will pul their punches instead on going on see who can deal the 1-shot kill faster.

>>52179920
So this was from a different high level tournament game, but what would happen is this situation against said opponent:
>guy you stabbed dissolves into mud
>portable hole opens
>four dozen copies of the guy crawl out and begin running around the stage
>most of them are also made of mud
>the ones you don't kill use instant fortresses to get the shell game going
>fortressed get animated by which ever fucking one is real
>the singing begins, meaning the undead begin to raise

You're on a limited time and you gotta figure out which castle has the guy actually performing in it.

>>52180042
Or having a gimmick that isn't interrupted by the first body dying.

I like how this guy is basically doing what amounts to participating in a bodybuilding tournament then showing up with the biggest dick and saying that since his dick is the biggest that means he'd inherently win the competition.

>>52180057
I'm saying as is the rules of the tournament aren't conducive for what the guy seems to want, because pathfinder isn't conducive for it. He either has to change things or do something to make it so fights aren't just rocket tag. Because at this low level they're just gonna be rocket tag without anything cool and flashy.

>>52180057
Its more of a guy who can summon gangs of thugs getting told off by the other bodybuilders that he cant win the competion, and proceeds to throw a bitchfit.

>>52180097

You could always attack, hit... And just or do any damage?

>>52178873
i would also put money on this

>>52180130
So you're saying we're just gonna hit each other and say 'we're pulling punches'. What a fucking interesting fight.

It really isn't. Level 7 doesn't have the resources to have really interesting fights in pathfinder.

>>52180160

Anon, that's what the DM wants and what he's encouraging by a level 7 start.

Also needing gimmick items to make yourself interesting is lame!

>>52180097
Yeah but here's the thing friend, going back to the WWE analogy from further up in the thread, you do realize that part of what makes a good show is the very act of not playing rocket tag, right? Those guys aren't hitting each other with all of their might because that's not what makes a good show. Sure, it also means that it takes a bit more time for encounters to last, but part of the elimination process here, which you're not getting, is the ability to be a good sport and go along with the rules at play here.

The fact that you said "that's dumb" and immediately jumped to how big your dick is with "rocket tag" shows that you don't have the right attitude and would probably get dropped.

>>52180185
>Anon, that's what the DM wants and what he's encouraging by a level 7 start.
So the GM is encouraging boring fucking fights? Well shit then I guess he's retarded.

>Also needing gimmick items to make yourself interesting is lame!
Interesting character != interesting to watch fight. Are you fucking stupid? Unless we're writing fucking internal monologues the fights aren't getting more interesting because of your back story.

>>52180199
I'm saying that we don't have the resources for interesting fights. Tell me about your character, how does he fight in a manner that is interesting to watch?

I really want to know.

>>52180240
By mixing psionics, spheres, initiating, and classic martial feats.

>>52180240

He throws water balloons :^)

>>52178787

I don't personally find level 1 bad at all. Are you thinking of this because your apps aren't overflowing?

>>52180264
No, it's because a ton of people told him that level 1 starts aren't what they're looking for.

>>52180259
>By mixing psionics, spheres, initiating, and classic martial feats.
And tell me how it is interesting to watch fight. What does he do in combat that is interesting to watch?

You guys realize that the Celestial Tournament is 2v2, right?

>>52180240
Copious amounts of acrobatics; flipping, rolling, spinning...all that good shit.

>>52180291
The characters don't know that going in.

>>52180293
So you're just going to make acrobatic checks and describe you jumping around while getting stabbed. Mechanically what does all of that do? Because especially from an out of character perspective that sounds depressingly boring.

>>52180293

Dude, I'm mixing Perform (Dance) with Elemental Flux to wreath myself in fire, punctuate thrusts with blasts of thunder, and draw intricate designs with ice while pirouetting around a foe.

>>52180288
Blurs through time, teleports to evade attacks, brings the void of space unto opponents, fires arrows at lightning speed.

>>52180305
That doesn't matter in the meta sense, it means that all these init-fags are going to have to rethink everything because it's not mano a mano.

>>52180320
And what do you do when he stabs you do death?

>>52180320
And I'm rolling three nat 20s to kill your faggot ass dead.

>>52180312
Well, you can always use counters to make good plays if you're POWing it up. Really give it a back and forth flow and forcing each other to ration boosts and swifts and the like.

>>52180312

Anon...

>>52180324
Well there you go. How you fitting that all in at level 7?

>>52180337
Yeah, but my dick's bigger.

>>52180330

I'm parrying the blow, dodging the blade or they're simply cutting my afterimage!

>>52180312
Mechanically speaking, it does more harm than good. However, you gotta put on a good show.

>>52180320
That's some good shit, senpai. All my dude has is jumping high in the air and pulling off flips that put the shit Tony Hawk did in his prime to shame.

>>52180312
Sounds to me like a personal problem anon, you're the only one here as far as I can see that is so autistic that they can't imagine why people would ROLEPLAY what they're doing in the combat in a ROLEPLAYING GAME to make things more interesting than "I run up and hit him".

>>52180356
I'm Calima. Isolation Domain, Zen Archer, Riven Hourglass, Warp Sphere.

>>52180356
You can always adopt Exalted 2.5e's stunt system.

>>52180337

Yeah, but they'll be cheering my name!

>>52180374
>>52180378
>>52180368
>>52180364
My issue is that half of this doesn't actually seem to be anything mechanically interesting. it's about "how can I describe my abilities in the most flashy way possible". Which really doesn't do it for me because there are no moving interesting mechanical bits. It's all just fucking smoke and mirrors to disguise boring mechanics.

Level 7 is not high enough level for actually wacky mechanical interactions.

>>52180368

Dude, thanks! And you could totally play up the acrobatics.

Why just flip and spin when you could be jumping on the edge of your foe's blade? Balancing on your own sword and "hopping" with it, or maybe even... God, what would it be called? When you basically do a rolling jump back to your feet while prone?

>>52180326
Why? Go first, burst down the squishy, and hey, it's a 2v1 now.

>>52180439
>Why just flip and spin when you could be jumping on the edge of your foe's blade?
because that's not something acrobatics actually lets do you, at all.

>>52180418

It doesn't need to be mechanically interesting. The tournament is an exercise in your ability to fluff up an action.

>>52180453

You can use Acrobatics to move through a threatened square.

Roll acrobatics, you're going through their square. How? When they thrust at you, you jump on their blade and do a slick spin over them.

>>52180454
With the level of quality /pfg/ writers display to me in the games I've been with them in this just sounds like a fucking shit show. There is nothing mechanically interesting going on, no actually cool gimmicks, just mediocre writers trying to outdo each other's shitty descriptions.

I guess it doesn't matter, I just won't apply because fuck that sounds awful.

>>52180453
So then right before you do it, whisper the other guy and go "Hey buddy, keep your sword still so I can pull this off, then you can throw me into the stands--they'll go fucking nuts for us!"

>>52180418
Yeah, except this is just the base stuff for me.
"With a dizzying burst of incredible speed, you step out of time, adjusting your position to possibly avoid an attack."
"You find strength in the solitude found in the remote corners of the universe. You can create a 20-foot aura that causes enemies within to be overcome with feelings of isolation and loss."
Though more and more it sounds like you're saying "YEAH, BUT YOU'RE JUST ROLLING DICE!"
And yeah. We are.

>>52180469
And if they don't try and take the attack at you? Also sure you could describe moving through the square as such, but it wouldn't let you perch on the blade.

>>52180473
And then he stabs you in the kidney.

>>52180418
Again, sounds like a personal problem. I, personally, have seen things that have had interesting mechanical results from sessions as early as level 3, you're probably just so jaded that even if I did show you what I saw you'd probably think it was BS.

>>52180452
> Burst down the squishy
Do people honestly not know what the meaning of "holding back so as to put on a good show" means? Or am I just going crazy?

>>52180492
>And then he stabs you in the kidney.
Who besides Norgorber would actually find that shit an impressive or interesting display?

>>52180452
Because while you're bursting the squishy the other guy has set something up to fuck your side over, or maybe, just maybe, the squishy survives your attack, and they blow YOUR head off instead, making it a 2v1 against your team.

My point is maxing init over everything else leads to boring fights where actual skill is lost to the dice.

Also >>52180486 and >>52180498 are right, the point is to put on a fucking show and be entertaining as well as actually defeat the opponent.

>>52180509

Calistria would get off on it.

>>52180439
Those are some good ideas. Thanks, senpai.

>>52180486
What I'm saying is you're not doing anything mechanically interesting or nuanced with the fight. You're not bringing anything cool to the table with your build or how they interact with the arena/other contenders. You're literally just picking options then over describing them.

Tournaments that are supposed to be interesting are supposed to be about being actually interesting, not hiding the fact you're boring. Which is why more resources would be a fucking blessing.

I've ran high level tournaments before and brought what I thought were actually interesting builds without having to obscure boring shit with vanity description and purple prose.

>>52180534
A little fluff goes a long way, senpai.

>>52180534
Give us an example of a non-boring build then.
Hint: I'm just going to call it boring because that's utterly subjective.

>>52180534
Yeah but here's the thing, in a tournament like this prose in and of itself is a skill that you'd need to exercise, and if that part of your brain is so weak that you NEED certain expensive items that do weird stuff for you, just to compensate for your lack of descriptive skill then like I've said, that's a personal problem.

>>52180515
And I'm saying that none of the builds I've heard described so far are entertaining. It's over describing things to try and hide the fact that nothing you're doing is actually interesting.

I don't care about defeating the opponent. That's not the point here. I'm saying from looking at the few applicants so far and from what people have been talking about in the threat everything here sounds like it's mechanically a snooze fest that tries to hide it.

That's mostly an issue with lacking the kind of resources to make it interesting.

>>52180552
Yes to try and obscure the fact nothing mechanically interesting is happening.

You can write a fucking good description of two characters full attacking each other. It's still a boring fight. If descriptions are all that matter now then what's the fucking point?

Mechanically there is no meaning because we're saying fluff is what matters. Mechanical interest isn't.

Redpill me on martial traditions. Should I try and take one?

>>52180573
Oh my god anon! You're just rolling dice! That's all this is, it's rolling dice! Everything is mechanically identical! Everything is mechanically the same! It's just rolling dice!

>>52180585
If the DM puts it on the table you should, assuming you can find one that fits. If the DM doesn't mention it just don't.

>>52180557
Last high level tournament I ran had a few of the following:
>The Oid Boys
Three goblinoid comedy bards who used Urban Step and Robes of Many Things. Robes of many things makes patches that makes doors/windows, which you can stick to things, which lets you jump between them with Urban Step.
>Master of the Seeing Hand
Demagogue bard who used insight riot to get people in the stands to rush the stage for the fight while hiding among them.
>The Grey Glitter
Giant Mithral golem who used an Anti-Magic field enchanted bard as a mace. This one was interesting for the walls of stone it made to make the playing field into a maze that it could gloop through in liquid form.
>Master of Waves
Aquatic Sorcerer who used the high level bloodline power to fill the stage with water, turned into a shark, and had two shark companions to fight in the water filled stage

>>52180569
That's not the fucking point, the fucking point 99% of /pfg/ are shit writers who can't write a fighter scene I could be payed to read. I don't want to fucking read some shit /pfg/ spews because every time I read shit /pfg/ makes it's fucking garbage.

>>52180623
Why, are they too much to start off with?

>>52180629
Another one was the shell game with the multiple simulacrum copies of himself he used to start the shell game and hide so he could get the dance of the damn ready, plus the animated castles were fun

>>52180592
There are things that are interesting for what is actually happening, not for what you're describing. Because all I can see happening is a bunch of fucks writing in purple prose to try and have 'better fluff' than their opponent.

>>52180629
>The Old boys
just rolling dice and deciding where to move, how boring
>Master of the Seeing Hand
Rolling dice, rolling dice, rolling more dice, BOOOORRRING
>The Grey Glitter
Oh look, a golem with more dicerolling, YAWN
>Master of Waves
Dice rolling! How exciting, NOT!

Hmm, looks boring to me famalama

>>52180656
Master of waves didn't actually roll any dice to do it, it just happened, fuck caster supremacy

>>52180629
> I don't want to fucking read some shit /pfg/ spews because every time I read shit /pfg/ makes it's fucking garbage.

Now I see what your deal is.
I do agree that some of the writing found here is pure drivel.

>>52180629
>The Old Boys
Mechanically identical to teleportation
>Master of the Seeing Hand
Mechanically identical to summoning
See? Just mechanically boring.

>>52180653
>There are things that are interesting for what is actually happening, not for what you're describing
Anon...
Anon. Do you?
Do you think that this is actually happening somewhere? Do you think that the game /isn't/ just what you're describing?

>>52180629
>That's not the fucking point, the fucking point 99% of /pfg/ are shit writers who can't write a fighter scene I could be payed to read. I don't want to fucking read some shit /pfg/ spews because every time I read shit /pfg/ makes it's fucking garbage.
I wonder if the reason that happens is because none of the good writers get to play, since /pfg/ DM prefer memes and waifus over talent.

>>52180634
It's not that they're too much, it's just that you're going to the DM and saying "Hey, can I just have some free bonuses to stuff?" It's a bit crass.

>>52180684
>>52180656
>everyone calling them the Old boys
>it's the Oid boys
>for goblinOid

>>52180684
>Mechanically identical to teleportation
It'd be a lot better if they were just teleporting unfortunately.

>Mechanically identical to summoning
it'd be a lot better if it was the same as summoning, because you don't actually have any control over the crowd

LISTEN UP FOLKS

THIS IS GLADIATORIAL COMBAT

AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO WIN PEOPLE OVER

THAN TO MAKE GLADITORIAL COMBAT PERFORMANCE CHECKS

ROLLING A NAT 20 +15 ON YOUR GLADITORIAL PERFORMANCE CHECKS TO IMPRESS THE GODS WILL SURELY GIVE YOU THEIR VOTE

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/performance-combat/

>>52180703
Jesus christ you can't be this thick.

Two people simply full attacking each other can be described in a hundred different ways. Literally nothing of mechanical interest is happening and you're writing to obscure what is actually happening.

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Should I multiclass Gunslinger into Slayer at 5 for dex to damage, or simply go full slayer for shooting things?

>>52180743

The DM is not looking for mechanical interest.

So here is my real question. If the fluff is the only thing that matters since winning doesn't does that make the celestial tournament a writing/popularity competition and not a pathfinder one? If not, why?

>>52180850
>fluff
>mattering
>when the judges will just vote for whoever is the most waifuable one
Get real faglet.

>>52180783
Trench Fighter 3 into slayer.

>>52180864

>Implying they won't go for the biggest hunk

>>52180850
If you fluff like a motherfucker only to roll a Nat 1 and have your dude break his neck, it won't do you much good. You need to be able to roll good as well.

However, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if popularity is the end all be all.

>>52180898
I can't tell if these generals are plagued by nerds so thirsty they'll even go gay for attention, or if we've had a recent influx of fujoshi.

>>52180921
>If you fluff like a motherfucker only to roll a Nat 1 and have your dude break his neck, it won't do you much good. You need to be able to roll good as well.

You roll first and then fluff if it hits or misses terribly.

It's easy, watch!

>Describing the build-up of the attack
>Cut description
>Roll, take that into account
>Paste and add the second half

>>52180921
Fluff attack, roll, fluff what it actually does, give opponent time to react to what happens.
That's a gentlemanly way of doing it.

>>52180943
>>52180960
Yeah...that makes a lot of sense.

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>all these fags don't know who's really gonna win

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>>52180932
Both, probably.

I remember before all this, you know? A more innocent time.

Pic unrelated.

>>52180706
>>52180677
Everyone's a fucking critic.

Give us an example of what you consider "good writing" then, if everything is so shitty.

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Welcome to "The Celestial Tournamrnt" the campaign where the fluff's made up and the fights don't matter.

>>52178533
>>52178576
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4772075/a-clarification/?pageforid=4772075#post-4772075

>>52180989
Not all the writing I found here is garbage-tier. I just find it much easier to remember the writing that is garbage-tier.

>>52181028
Like what.