Warhammer 40,000 General

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First for the mechanicus and the Omnisiah

http://www.strawpoll.me/12526982/

Reminder to keep voting!

How does Coteaz give ObSec to the army?

>>52169677
Nids are shit.

>>52169679
read his rules

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Why is it so annoying to put together an IG list, there are just too many options.

>Made about 8 IG lists so far
>Pleased with none of them.

>>52169678
what does this even mean, I'm not emotionally invested in any army that anyone brings and more than I'm emotionally invested in black or white in chess.

>>52169751
If you don't care, there's an option just for you!

What's your thoughts on running 30k AoD lists against 40k codexes? is there balance?

>>52169765
Against which codices?

>>52169736
>playing IG when the manly stormtrooper codex exists

>>52169522
I'll have to disagree on some points.

>dread
>Fine, just needs to cover squads and be annoying. Not all dreads need Pods, just sme mainline defense.
I only proxed them at a lower point limit using my Dark Angels but alpha strike is important for DW so I feel the drop pod is important there, both to deliver the dread and a homing beacon for other deep striking squads.

>10 Rhino Vets
>I use Rhinos are quick getaways or squad assistance. DW seems good at running around or just using vehicles to adjust themselves lightly.
Driving around is ok for normal tacticals, give them one special weapon and go from objective to objective to sit on it and grab it. Same does not apply to a squad costing 275 points with a 3+. You need to get in the enemy face right away and deal damage. He has like 30 models at 2000 points, they're going to die fast if he doesn't cripple the enemy at the beginning.

>Corvus
>I'm thinking the same thing. Versatile gunboat that drops the squad and Captain to blow apart units and then charge in for cleanup.
>blow apart
>charge
The only models in that squad that can fire and charge are the Captain and the heavy weapons guys. And the only ones that can actually put up a fight in CC are the Captain and the Black Shield. The team costs 375 plus the cost of the Captain and the cost of the Corvus and it doesn't know what it wants to do. Also, I forgot to mention it before but since the Blackstar is not his dedicated transport the Captain can't start in it.

>Captain and Squad
>These seems well rounded and meant to hammer infantry. Could use the vehicles to assist their staying power, but seem ok on their own.
Overpriced is what he is. Too many expensive toys. If he wants to fight MEQ give him a shield and a hammer or Thief of Secrets, perhaps an auspex as well.

>>52169791
Which manly stormtrooper codex? Unless it involves burying my opponent in bodies and bombshells, it is irrelevant.

>>52169763
"no" and "I don't care" overlap.

People who don't give aren't emotionally invested in the faction of their opponent, regardless of what it is could equally answer with either, which is going to skew your result.

>>52169678
Could you please tell me what the point of this poll is?

The question leads me to believe that you are some sort of autistic faggot, but I really don't want that to be the truth.

>>52169736
>trying to do a Chaos combined arms list utilizing FW vehicles, Renegades and Heretics, Chaos Knights and World Eaters
>gone through about 6 different iterations trying to decide between fast foot slogging marine MSUs or large squads in FW transports and/or ablative renegade infantry

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Can you have a Chapter Master with Cataphractii Armour?

The Angels of Death supplement's Terminator Captain entry doesn't include the option to promote

>>52169803
>>52169811
I just want to see if the majority of people vote yes, so far they haven't but I'd like to get as large a pool as possible. A couple of threads ago there were a bunch of spergs going back and forth about whether they found tyranids an interesting opponent in the fluff. Figured I'd get some numbers.

>>52169828
Just ignore the argument and Carnac loses. Simple, really.

>>52169736
this is actually one of the wonders of guard - the list building is great.

Currently I run chimera vets, autocannon pask with MM+LC and the emperor's wrath artillery formation.

>>52169736
Stop being a bitch.

>>52169828
I voted, and I have to say yes, I think Tyranids are a interesting adversary in the 40k lore.

>>52169815
Blood raven codex supplement when?

>>52169815
technically no

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>>52169872
Wow, you're comment was so insightful, I finally drafted a good list!!!

>>52169783
its a general question around the fundamental mechanics of the game, not so much where it sits in the 'Eldar-cron top, Ork-nid bottom' power tiers. So any/all 40k codexes.

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>>52169876
>Can use Relics from any other Space Marine chapter

>>52169828
The way you phrased your question doesn't reflect what you actually intend to find out.

Because you used the word "opponent" it implies you're talking about participation in a contest, and 40k is a game, so it appears that you're asking if people are emotionally invested in a particular random army they are playing against.

Regardless of what army you specify the answer is going to be "no" or "what the fuck are you even talking about" for most people.

>>52169890
>psykers
disgusting

>>52169890
list seems solid, only small thing is you seem to have ignored any str7 for marines, personally I'd change the cannons to autocannons and maybe drop the veteran squad for a 50 man blob of conscripts for the priest and add in a ordo malleus inquisitor for fearless.

Making my first miniature army, thoughts?

Warlord: Lias Issadon
Points: 1'485

Raptors
Combined Arms Detachment (915 pts)
Lias Issodon
Saint Celestine
4x Scout Squads | Camo Cloaks
2x Deredeo Dreadnoughts | Aiolos Missile Launcher

Deathwatch
3x Aquila Kill Teams (570 pts)
Watch Sergeant | Chainsword | Infernus Heavy Bolter
Veteran | Chainsword | Deathwatch Frag Cannon
3x Veterans | Boltgun | Deathwatch Shotgun
Vanguard Veteran | Bolt Pistol | Storm Shield

Strat is to combine Celestine with a Kill-Team and infiltrate everything but the Dreads.. Bad idea?

GW has unusually good customer service.

I bought a tervigon, it was missing the base, I called up GW and asked for a replacement and they sent one no questions asked.

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>>52169924
What about bound psykers that are shameful of their condition and wish to die in glorious battle to repent from their sins?

>>52169924
They will get blammed in time, worry not brother.

>>52169935
Well that indentation didn't really work

>>52169911
It's just a silly strawpoll anon, it's not scientific or anything.

>>52169942
If they really cared about the imperial creed they'd have killed themselves already.

how the fuck am i suppose to beat robot gorrilaman as sisters?

>>52169974
accept the D, submit to your spiritual liege

>>52169974
Sucki sucki?

>>52169974
Just kill everything around him.

>>52169974
39 BS4 melta shots

>>52169967
Wasting useful resources is heresy.

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>>52169904

>>52169974
Tank shock?

>>52170050
Suffering the witch to live is explictly heresy.

>>52169890
Ok so let me say it differently then. Choice is not a problem, it is a benefit. If you can't decide what to bring buy 50-100 points of silly shit like rough riders.

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>>52169935

>my an is to put the fast unkillable angel inside a unit of slow moving expensive meat shields

Should I give Chaos Dreadnoughts reaper autocannons or plasma cannons?

>>52170102
>Chaos Dreadnought
sorry, I don't know what that is, did you mean a Hellbrute?

>>52170102
Whatever you want, you are taking chaos dreads already.

>>52169974

As a sisters player, just ignore him. He can only move 6" a turn. Just bait him around with your immolators/seraphim. If you think you're going to be charged, set up a conga-line to get as few models in B2B as possible, ride out damage, and HnR away.

>>52170118
>Hellbrute
sorry, I don't know what that is, did you mean a Helbrute?

>>52170131
yes

>>52170131
>>Hellbrute
>sorry, I don't know what that is, did you mean a Maulerfiend?

>>52169994
Thats the normal plan, but hes with blob guard so i can't even get close.

>>52170121
That's actually a pretty good idea. Just gotta pray for those shield of faith saves

>>52170082
Witch not sanctioned psyker.

Fucking Puritan and Radical Inquisitors stop ruining the Imperium!

>>52170154
Isn't a forgefiend with ectoplasma cannons worse?

They literally kill themselves with gets hot.

>>52169765
At 1500 points or less, AoD armies suffer. At 1850 or higher, they can start bringing out all their stupid toys like Phosphex Quad-Mortars/Medusa squadrons/Leviathans and become significantly bette than most 40k armies. This only increases as they get higher and higher in points, since 30k armies are designed for around 2500-3000 point games.

This isn't necessarily accurate applied to armies like Eldar/Summoning Spam Daemons/Tau of course, who are still the gold standard.

>>52170121
Why do people say Rob only moves 6"? His shooting attack is okay but nothing ground-breaking, so unless he wants to charge he'll always be running. That's at least 7", and probably more since he has Fleet. That, and anyone who actually thinks it's fair to run Rob anyway will take him with a Libby Conclave to make him fly around with various powers.

>>52170167
All psykers are witches. You're being SOOO heretical right now!

Next you'll be telling me mutants are totally cool.

>>52169974
Ignore it or just do what sisters do best.

Melta spam the fucker to death.

Remember he can't kill 9 Immolators and 3 Exorcist with his slow butt of 6"

>>52169974
>falling for the distraction carnifex meme
just send celestine on him and they can both be useless distraction characters

>>52170180
I double dare you heretic to say Psykers are shit to the Emperor or Coteaz.

Stop being a retard and throw those psykers into the battlefield.

At worst the commissar kills them at best they kill the enemies of the imperium.

It is a win win situation.

>>52170180
>calling the Emperor, Malcador the Hero and Sanguinus witches
Sounds like heresy to me

>>52170202
The Emperor was at the absolute forefront of psyker hating.

>>52170175

>S6 AP2 Assault 3 Rending at BS6
>is okay
>okay
>just ok

>>52170180
>Thinking proper Imperial psykers and Witches are the same
>Being this heretical

Going to kill the Emperor because he is a psyker too.

>>52170200
>At worst daemons enter reality through their brain and kill everyone ruining the entire operation
ftfy

>>52170120
One of them must be better than the other.

>>52170090
Well, gonna Infiltrate the entire unit so not that slow then and the 'fast unkillable angel' would be the shield keeping them Vets alive

I assume that's a bad plan then tho

at least 40k and AoS are "your dudes" games and not herohammer warcraft shit

and nids are still fucking shit

>>52170212
Maybe if it was strength 8 so it could actually wound monsters and instant death T4 models it would be good.

>>52170239
you just said a lot of buzzwords but the sentence didn't really make sense

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>>52169668
Are there any groups like the Death Korps outside of the Warhammer 40k universe?

Or even any groups that just copy their aesthetic in the future?

>>52170212
On a unit that cots more than a wraithknight.

>>52170221
>Implaying a Glorius Comissar wouldn't prevent that from happening.
>Implying a proper Imperial psyker wouldn't use his/her mercy blade and end it right there.

Good god is like you started playing on 7th or something.

>>52170211
To be fair that was to shit on Magnus, the fucking nerd.

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>>52170269

>>52170212
>it's a BS6 starcannon
>for 350 points
it's a good gun, but for those points you can do much better

350 can basically get you three vindicators, for example.

CHAOS

CONSUME US

>>52170277

It's a BS6 A3 starcannon, on an unkillable platform that buffs everything around it in a tonne of ways.

>>52170180
Well I do like them felinids!

>>52170277

And yet, we're talking about Girllyman. You're also not paying 350pts for a BS6 RENDING Star Cannon, you're also paying for the almost literally unkillable model behind it with the6 S10 AP1 melee attacks with D rending at I6 and also buffs the entire army while also having a rerollable deny the witch with adamantium will.

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>>52169935
>>52170090
Since I failed at copy/paste and did a point miscalcuation

>>52170302
Point being the gun is ancillary. It's not what someone's buying him for, nor is it what you're going to be worried about in-game.

>>52170255
Like them in what aspect ? Aesthetics ? Being Death worlders ? Favored type of warfare ? what ?

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>>52170298
Do we have any idea of what felinids actually look like officially? Has there been any official artwork of them?

>>52170238

You are aware that Celestine can't infiltrate with the vets because she doesn't have infiltrate, yes? Infiltrate doesn't work like scout, which only requires a single model to have the rule.

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>>52170336
Mainly two things, their uniforms and masks, and their martyrdom culture.

>>52170353
>their uniforms and mask

Watch Jin-Roh, great movie.

>>52170351
I beg to differ

Master of Ambush: Your Warlord and three non-vehicle units of your choice have the Infiltrate special rule.

Infiltrate: Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed.

>>52170351
Dude, master of ambush, lmao.

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r8 this list please

>>52170388
>Infiltrate: Units that contain at least one model with this special rule are deployed last, after all other units (friend and foe) have been deployed.
Didn't that get FAQ'd to mean the opposite of what the rulebook actually says?

>>52170216
Lel Emperor tried to rid the world of Navigators and Psykers all his life.
He hates anything attached to the warp.

>>52169934
The problem with autocannons is their low ap. Nearly everything you shoot them at will get a save. If you got the psykana to twin link the launchers and the company command squad to give them monster hunter or ignore cover, then why not grab missile launchers or lascannons and eliminate enemy saves entirely?

>>52170341
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk[/youtube]

>>52170406
>Demi-Company without devastator squad. Free transports without 2nd demi company.
2/10 if bait, 0/10 if you're too retarded to read your codex.

>>52170468
Autocannons arent for shooting at things that get a save. you shoot them at transports and rip off all their hull points

>>52170425
‘An Independent Character without the Infiltrate
special rule cannot join a unit of Infiltrators during deployment, and vice versa.’

But I'm combining the units before giving them Infiltrate, no? That's all I could find from CTRL+F'ing the Rulebook FAQ

>>52170471
oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUuvHPr4BGk

>>52170425
Like Template weapons, the rules say one thing, the example image say another and the FAQ say both things and non of them.

At this point why even read the rules. Just use what ever feels less retarded

I NEED TO BULLY ORKS AND NIDS PLAYERS

RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>52170512
Why? You lose to a IG player or something?

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So, this is my first time getting into this whole Warhammer thing. To be honest, I was only in there to get a textured paint, but the shop owner gave me a free sprue of three space Marines to test on (which was fucking awesome of him, btw) anyways I don't have the original colors and don't want neckbeards bitching down my neck talking about the proper hue of blue, so I'm working on a steampunk edition. I haven't added pipes or cogs yet, but those come later today

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>>52170537

Are astartes ever recruited from ab-humans btw?

>>52169890
The Psykana division only gets the 2+ for powers if there's a Commissar attached to the squad, IIRC. So you need three to benefit completely, otherwise only 1/3 of your Wyrdvanes get 2+ for powers. They have to originate from the formation too, you can't steal them from other squads.

>>52170537
>>52170542
thin your paints

apart from that it looks good

>>52170537
>don't want neckbeards bitching down my neck
>working on a steampunk edition

>I don't like water so i bought a houseboat.

>>52170559
I'll keep that in mind. Most people recommend 7:1 mix of paint:thinner right? Those aren't citadel paints by the way, they're mainly Model Masters, but the copper is Testors

>>52170585
have you watched any of Duncan's painting videos? I'd highly recommend you do so

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>>52170551
>ab-humans

>>52170537
You gonna do actual steampunk work on them with coal-fired powerplants and revolver bolters, or you just gonna paint them brass and call it steampunk.

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r8 please friends. I like sternguard but I don't know if there's enough firepower to deal with everything. Also I'm not sure if dropping the libs is better than putting something in a rhino and having them hitch a ride

>>52170616
Is Bobby G just hanging out on the board by himself while he waits for everyone to arrive? That doesn't seem ideal. Honestly, making him an MC seems like a moronic idea that kind of ruins any real viability he might have had.

Also all you really have is anti-infantry firepower and one unit of grav cannons that can't do much on the turn they arrive. Needs more meltas or something.

>>52170551
Not any officially sanctioned ones, at least.

I think they're more likely to develop abhuman mutations via bad geneseed after the fact

>>52170600
I haven't, but I'll check him out.
>>52170610
This one is probably just gonna be painted brown copper and brass and live under the guise of "steampunk." Once I get some proper figures which will be sometime this week, I'll try scratch building a boiler on his back as well as a revolver. My problem was this thing came in three parts which was the body, the backpack, and the bolter which had his hands molded to it unfortunately.

>>52170551
Ab...

Space marine are made by controlled mutations

Even if Abhumans are stable enough the geneseeds are made for humans. Not human enough.

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>>52169668

Any other IG bros worried out there they are going to streamline IG down to a single regiment? Too many rumours and news about IG planets getting destroyed and IG heroes dying or going missing. It's starting to get me worried...

>>52170585
Make sure you use water to thin the paint, and not paint thinner. otherwise you'll thin the model as well as the paint

>>52170737
>they are going to streamline IG down
And nothing value was lost

>>52170737
I have it on good authority that all of the imperial guard is getting killed off replaced by the zoats.

>>52170753
>>52170754

I'm serious you two stop it. I've spent thousands of dollars and man hours on my IG army and the last thing I need to be repaid by GW is for them to fucking make all of that a waste because they want me to buy a new army of little green army men with new laser guns. Seriously.

>>52170737
With a new Gaunt's Ghost book coming out in Q4 I don't think so (although I am still a bit nervous)

So, the codex astartes is pretty baller in-universe, right? Like, it's, with a few notable exceptions, basically a how-to guide for space Marine warfare that's really accurate.

If it's that good, traitor astartes would likely follow it at least partially as well?

>>52170762
They're going to be called the spaghetti-o army and do nothing but speak in dumb limericks. Don't ask for my source though you'll just have to wait and see.

Alright, so I'm a little behind.

What's Gillyman doing now that he's woken up? Is anything in particular going on?

>>52170792
Boning Xenos?

>>52170616
Put the devastator squad in a Rhino instead of dropping.
I can see that you want to use the conclave to Switch Guilly in a good position but you're investing 600 points on a beatstick that will actually only move once (Since after your librarian switched with him they'll be on your side of the table)
If you want to use Sternguard you should remove Guillman or the conclave and invest into them. Removing Guilly or the Conclave you can max at least two of them with 4-5 combi-meltas and two heavy weapons (Usually Flamers) and then combat squad them. This way you can keep Guilly as a DISTRACTION CARNIFEX to keep your veterans Dakka alive or the opposite, sacrifice the sternguard to remove some veichles while Guillyman runs up the board to start smashing stuff.

>>52170792
He went home to see Daddy

>>52170657
I can replace land speeder with a heavy bolter attack bike and get Cent Devs without an omniscope. or I can drop one of the libs back to ML1 to get split fire.

Can't seem to do much about bobby g unless I run rhinos but then i lose objsec drop pods. The plan was drop libs and magic him right into the fray

>>52169815
That's a Tartaros suit:
https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/relic-creates-gabriel-mini

>>52170762
Looks like u didn't support your army well for GW standarts
Also, EMpire says hi

>>52170826
>and magic him right into the fray
I keep forgetting that's a thing
yeah I guess that works

Reminder that Red Corsairs have Blackstone fortress and Gloriana class flagship, they posses more threat and power than Tau.

>>52170768
GW axes WHF right after a company with strong IP was releasing a game based on it.

GW is rather random with their decisions. Almost as if each department was unaware of what the others are doing.

>>52170754
I for one welcome the zoats as a great new addition to Grand Alliance: Hive Mind

>>52170850
To be fair the Imperium has more commissars than Tau have populations. Each comissar could give each Tau their hats and still have hats to spare for a generation to come.

The entire Tau Empire is smaller than the realm of Ultramar for fuck sake.

Why GW insist on making them relevant when they should treat them as one of the many minor Xenos is beyond reason.

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guys i just got these 3 , how do i use them ? any recommendations on a army to build them

>>52170878
They sell fuckloads of models.

>>52170768
>With a new Gaunt's Ghost book coming out in Q4
Should I remind about last Gotrek and Felix book?

>>52170861
GW operates in a vacuum where they are completely insulated from the outside world. They had already made the decision to axe fantasy and no potential for sales would change that since they don't acknowledge the existence of reality outside their own operations.

We get any more details on the custodes box and rules yet?

>>52170912
I'd love to see a model sale in relation to codex release and meta understanding.

Back in 3rd/4th no one played Tau, broken Tau codex and oh look suddenly people are playing.

But I'm talking from local experience with a retardly high count of waac

>>52169815
Gaby is on a Tartaros.
Chapter master have the iron halo rigth ?
2+/4+ in any case, put the varient you like.

>>52169668
sup /tg/,
I recently identified one of my problems with 40k and I'd like to discuss whether I'm alone with this:

I'm really annoyed by how the "factions" have different "sizes".
Fore example, the Imperium consists mainly of IG, Marines, Inquisition, SoBs etc.
Eldar can the grouped together with Ynnari, CWEldar, Deldar, Harlies, Corsairs, those planet-based dragon rider guys etc.
Chaos has ChaosMarines, Demons, Heretics and stuff.

And then there's Necrons. They don't have ties to anything, they're just there, on their own.
Tau have their auxiliaries, but those are criminally undersupported by rules and shit.
Nids have Cultists, and nothing else.
Orks just have Orks.

This pisses me off because I Like huge campaigns with lots of combined forces, where the sides have to make lots of decisions about allocating units to tasks.

I'd really like if all factions were more extensive, for examply massively expanding on different Ork Klanz and on Kroot, Nicassar and Vespids. Nids could get another Cultist list for infected Tau and infected Eldar respectively. Now Necrons are more tricky, but I had an idea that they might find descendants of some old servitor race they had kicking around in their former empire they just reabsorb and use them as meat shields because they're used to abusing those guys.

Thoughts?

>>52170883
You look up their rules and the add them to their respective armies, i.e. AdMech for Cawl, SoB for Celestine and anything for Gayfax.
They can be taken elsewhere but there is really no point to that.

>>52170964
ah okay , i was thinking there was some big ass triple formation for all 3 heroes to give power to the imperium or some shit

>>52170937
Vehicles are unchanged from their regular versions, supposedly.
Rules are the ones that were already published, except for a detatchment and a few formations.

>>52170942
3rd and 4th Tau were new and had a limited range of models, over time they got more and better kits and expanded the giant robot theme in a huge way, which is a draw to a lot of people.

I don't think it has that much to do with them being as OP as all shit.

>>52170964
>GayFax
At least say Greyfax or GayFox you half ass the whole thing.

Also using Not! Coteaz ever. She is useful in very specific situations in every other time just use Coteaz.

>>52170982
There is. It's shit.

>>52170982
Read FoC and stop asking question that can be resolve by just reading the fucking rules

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Found a cool pic of Guilliman with long hair. Spoilers???

>>52171005
>not spoon-feeding retards
Wow, check your privilege. We don't need micro-Hitlers like you turning this place into a mini-Dachau.

>>52171015
>man, it's been a while since I heard from Luther, I hope everything's alright
>oh well, no sense worry about things I can't help, time to go punch my surbordinate's head off

>>52170937
it's basically just the same shit we have plus some formations to stick them in. it's pretty stupid, honestly, since anyone using custodes in 30k is going to use the 30k vehicles and anyone using them in 40k is going to wish they could use the 30k vehicles.

>>52171025
>time to go punch my surbordinate's head off

haha I still can't believe that happened

>>52171042
Someone fill me in here?

Are Chaos blessings proportional? For example, would Khorne reward a human for killing a Space Marine in melee because of the sheer skill gap between the two?

>>52171031
Aren't 40k and 30k the same? They have the same rules.

The only difference is that the marines armies actually use the rules instead of simply ignoring them like in 40k?

So I'm noticing my brushes don't last too much, they easily get their hairs split and lose their arrowshape quite fast... but really fast, trust me.

Being an incompetent and clumsy moron, can you guys kindly give me advice/help in order to avoid this and/or beating my brushes back into shape? What you do guys do to keep your brushes well-kept?

>>52171063
They do not have the same rules at all, actually. Points are different, gear is different, rules are different. The actual custodes are a lot better in 40k but all the extra toys they get in HH are waaaaaay the hell better.

>>52171031
Man, I *wish* I had Land Raiders for my Custodes in 30k.

>>52171080
I mean, no assault vehicle in 30k isn't ideal, but LRs are pretty garbage in 40k so it's not like it matters. The 30k Grav Carrier is so good that the people you put into it are just a tax on taking the tank itself for shooting spam.

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>>52169904
>from any other space marine chapter
more like 'from any codex or supplement ever published'

>>52171049
It's chaos, so maybe or maybe not.

>>52170616

>>52170616

Too much boltgun and you're not Imperial Fists.

5 marines do NOTHING and get rekt by anything strong enough or in more numbers.

Also you already have the superior tacticals with bolters that are the sternguard. Why more tacticals?

You also dont have proper anti-tank. Grav amps only rekt montrous creatures and space marines and other tough units.

>>52171074
get quality brushes in the first place, don't get paint in the roots of the bristles, keep your handle and ferrule dry and store your brushes horizontally in their tubes, if possible

>>52170616
It's pretty hard to come up with an army list that would lose to equal points worth of just tyranid warriors, but somehow you've done it.

>>52170737
>>52170762

You won't be missed whinning bitch

>>52170616

Imo your list suffers massively for wanting to include Tigurius and Girlyman.

It is weak on weapons and weak on numbers. Almost looks like a deathwatch list but regular SM need more weapons and numbers to be competitive.

What are you gonna do with all those 5 man squads? deep strike and then what? hope to kill 3 enemy miniatures? And then die on the charge or get rekt by superior numbers?

It doesnt matter if you have Tigurius and Guilliman if by turn 2 or 3 they're the only models on the table, they'll get rekt eventually.

The only "strong" unit you have is if you combine the 15 sternguard on the table, but then again you're missing tons of special weapons (on your army, leave the sternguard with bolters)

One land speeder is not enough. Melta speeders are fun but you shouldnt count on them to survive and be your anti-tank. It's merely a fun nuisance that will blow up a tank or two and get rekt the next turn.

If you ditched the librarius conclave you'd have points to tune up the main troops.

>>52171124
>LOL RANDUMBZ XDDD
Kill yourself.

>>52171183
That's literally how chaos works. Chaos gods reward their followers according to their arbitrary whims and the rewards don't even necessarily make sense by mortal standards. Most people don't consider a tentacle where your face was a "reward" but chaos gods do.

>>52171048
The Lion's ship was being attacked by daemons. The former librarians said they could deal with it. Chaplain Nemiel thought the Emperor's edict at Nikaea was clear. The Lion punched his head off for that most terrible crime of loyalty to the Emperor.

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Where can I improve this

>>52171132
>>52171170
Yeah thanks guys. The tacticals are necessary if you're trying to run the new detachment (as is putting tig in a conclave) but it's too tight on points and causes everything to suffer.

I'll probably just go back to a CAD and put the points into larger, properly equipped squads and replace the dev squad with cents.

>>52171326

Centurions are ven more expensive, lad.

That's why "dont take special characters in sub-2000pts games" is not a meme.

At least add special weapons to the tacticals and get a Predator

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>>52171287
Sounds a little grumpy

Thoughts on this? I'm new so don't go easy; I wanna learn.


Points: 1'480
Warlord: Lias Issodon (Raptors)

Combined Arms Detachment (910 pts)
····[HQ]·········Lias Issodon
····[HQ]·········Saint Celestine
····[Elite]·······Dreadnought·················| 2x Twin-Linked Autocannons
····[Troops]····Scout Squad················| Camo Cloaks
····[Troops]····Scout Squad················| Camo Cloaks
····[Troops]····Scout Squad················| Camo Cloaks
····[HS]·········Deredeo Dreadnought····| Aiolos Missile Launcher

3x Aquila Kill Teams (570 pts)
····Vanguard Veteran····| Bolt Pistol·······| Storm Shield
····Watch Sergeant······| Boltgun···········| Deathwatch Shotgun
····Veteran···················| Boltgun···········| Deathwatch Shotgun
····Veteran···················| Boltgun···········| Deathwatch Shotgun
····Veteran···················| Chainsword·····| Deathwatch Frag Cannon
····Veteran···················| Chainsword·····| Infernus Heavy Bolter

Strat:
Lias gains Master of Ambush: 'Your Warlord and three non-vehicle units of your choice have the Infiltrate special rule.' So gonna stick Celestine with a Kill-Team and infiltrate them all. Scouts hold objectives and Dreads are there for fire-support.

Anti-armour:
Each Kill-Team has a Deathwatch Frag Cannon (Solid shell 24" 7 3 Assault 2, Impact) and both Dreads bring a total of four TL Autocannons. Do I need more anti-armour?

Anti-blob:
Every Kill-Team model has a Template attack, that should suffice for anti-blob, no?

Survivability:
Celestine seems pretty much immortal to me. Toss her in with a Kill-Team and just go wreck face.

Do I suffer the same drawbacks as >>52171326 ?

>>52169678
Two of my oldest friends play nids, they have been opponents of mine on and off since 2nd so i voted yes. I kinda feel thats not the kind of yes youre looking for though, the question felt a bit vague, are you really asking if i think nids are a good / fun army to play against?

>>52171351
I meant having a single squad of cent devs for the grav and getting the anti tank and real squads with the points i won't be wasting on chaplain/extra transports/librarians.

You might be right about cents being too expensive once I have a look at cost

>>52171287
Not helping your shitty reputation there, Lionel.

>>52171460
Ward, please

>>52171287
Dark Angels didn't turn traitors by sheer luck it seems. While TS turn traitor thanks to sheer retardation.

Wish the Horus Heresy books where never made and the Heresy was just refer to as a in universe myth. Because BL can't write gods and Demi-god to save their lives

>>52171471
they've had a pretty decent track record with dorn and guilliman

Maybe it's just because they're the "vanilla" guys, who don't have to flaunt their gimmick at every opportunity.

>>52171287
Like, was Nemiel threatening to blow up the ship or something if they used their libararians?
Because punching your underlings' heads off for saying "Uh, guys, you know Big E said this ain't cool, right?" seems a little on the chaos side of things.

>>52170512
Dude theyve suffered enough, go find some eldar players or something.

>>52171485
Isn't DA entire gimmick a gay joke?
Between the rock and men shooting hot loads at other men

>>52171380
As per the FAQ you cant have both the shotgun and a boltgun on the DW vets, becuase reasons

>>52170585
Good rule of thumb is around a coffee cream or whole milk consistency depending on the paint youre working with.

>>52171552
Yes, DA are a hot mess.

>>52170737
This is nothing new anon, gaurds been being streamlined since inception.

So many cool regiments lost to massive expense.

>>52171555
Oh alright, easily fixed. How about the rest? Stupid idea?

>>52170955
>wasted dubs on rambling about nothing.

OK...

>>52171610
What is that? You want another Space Marine codex?

Can do!

>>52170883
the formation with black templars and scions is pretty good.

i would go with that.

>>52170878
They should have played up the alliance aspect of the Tau instead of just splurging on mecha after mecha.

>>52171324
I would never play against this/10

>>52171610
>tallarn desert raiders
>valhallans
>mordians

i remember wishing i had the money to build regiments of those guys when i was a teen. and now they are gone.

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>>52171610
I don't mind focusing on a single regiment, as long as it isn't a horrible one. The problem is that GW have been focused on using the absolute worst fucking regiments as the face of the guard. Catachans are stupid as fuck, and Cadians are so generic/lame. Honestly, the only worse regiment they could pick would be Mordians.

Instead of the many other interesting choices we're stuck with the shutters.

>>52171650
Or the federation of aliens that was inside the 3rd edition codex and BFG.

Back when 40k was decent/mediocre most of the time, today it is just bad

>>52171691
The aliens on the 3rd edition rule book were just random aliens. One was a Kroot, one was a Necron and one was a Hrud, which feature occasionally in lore.

I think you're right generally that the Tau should have been taken in the direction of emphasizing a multi-species alliance, but the 3rd edition rulebook aliens was not representative of a federation of aliens at all, it was just random xenos.

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>>52171324
>that terror pack

>>52171691
>>52171650
Anon.

Kroots, Vespids, Gue'vas will get their own codex.

>>52171614
The rest is crying out for a drop pod on those vets

>>52171804
Well a special Character got his own codex. Farsight Enclaves.

If we get codex Girlyman I would not be surprise, after all 3 dataslates is enough to call something a codex today. Looking at you Custodes codex.

>>52169867
>AC pask
Y tho

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/pol/ here. Which faction matches /pol/ the most?

>>52171840
Guard or black templar
Also fuck off /pol/

>>52171840
Aeldari

>>52171840
(((Tau)))

>>52171840
Snotlings

>>52171804
Before orks get an 8th ed dex

>>52171840
Tau because they are collectivist and love race mixing

>>52171840
Death Korps, or Orks depends on the day.

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>>52171863
You called

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>>52171840

Deathwatch, they hunt down aliens

>>52171889
Kek

>>52171287
That's disappointing.
I rather liked Descent of Angels, but haven't read the follow up yet. If it's seriously that retarded I dunno I want to.

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>tfw anons think Khornates are dumb
Never underestimate the intelligence of a Khornate.

Or Khârn's willingness to betray.

>>52171840
Black Templar.

Deus vult

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>>52171915
Beware the mutant, the alien, the democrat.

>>52171946
But BT get shit done. Unlike /pol/ taking out a flag is standar 4chan autism there is nothing special in /pol/

>>52171816
Yeah but I can infiltrate them using the Master of Ambush Warlord Trait which I get from Lias as my Warlord.

Or is that a stupid strat?

>>52171959
Iirc, /pol/ has actually helped Russians take out terrorist bases through internet autism and google maps.

>>52171959

/pol/ memed someone into office

>>52171968
Standar 4chan autism, /b/ back in the day stoped a stadium bombing.

Now back to 40k bitching

>>52171679
It'd be nice if some of the interesting ones weren't Forgeworld/resin, but I eonder if DKoK would be less interesting if more people fielded it.

Does the black library mega still exist? Anybody have the link to share please

>>52169815
Isn't chapter master an upgrade in the current codex for the SM captain?

Kindly no Gathering Storm or Guilliman, if that's your cup of tea go shill/troll elsewhere. For all intents and purposes of my feelings, it's not the same universe. Pls no bully

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>>52171941
>TFW youre building an old school disciplined Khornate warband with a decent fire base to support your bezerkers and already dreading all the shit people who just dont know are going to give you.

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>>52172041
Well memed

>techno barbarians Vs thunder warriors boxed game

Who wouldn't buy this?

>>52172053
>tfw kinda want to make The Harvest
>bunch of Heavy Bolters and ADLs
>Warp Talons and/or Raptors to harass enemy
It's fluffy

But since they're Khornate, none will understand our love

>>52172041
Decent meme you got there kiddo, why don't you sit on your new emperor's lap and tell me another one

da empora

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>>52172084
Then again, their warband symbol looks retardedly hard to do.

>>52171840
/pol/ is the Imperial citizenry, a frightened and ignorant mass huddled together and chanting mantras in the shadow of their protectors. There's rumours of Orks at our systems border but the Emperor will keep us safe, won't he? Hush, look busy, that servo skull is watching us.

So what exactly is Rowboat Girlyman going to do now he's officially awake

>>52172193
fucking your mom

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>>52172204
Wrong primarch

>>52172193
He will be woke as fuck and expose the lies of (((ecclesiarchy))).
Also he will adopt tau as seeing they are way more pragmatic than IoM.

>>52172218
he's fucking your dad

>>52172225
>expose the lies of (((ecclesiarchy))).

Hahahah.

He's already seen how powerful they are and is happy enough to go along with it if it means he gets their support.

He even let them call him divine.

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mkIII & tartaros are for space marine and cahos space marine.

>This multi-part plastic kit contains the parts necessary to assemble 5 Tartaros Terminators, ready to be added to any Space Marines or Chaos Space Marines collection.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Tartaros-Terminators

>This multi-part plastic kit contains the parts necessary to assemble 10 Space Marines in Mark III ‘Iron’ power armour, ready to add to any Space Marine or Chaos Space Marine collection.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Mark-III-Space-Marines

Cataphractii not for chaos space marine?
Rules for using Cataphractii Terminators in games of Warhammer 40,000 can be found in Angels of Death.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/horus-heresy-cataphractii-terminators

GW facebook say mkIII & tartaros come with rules for SM & CSM

Future changes for csm & sm?

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>>52172240
I worship slaanesh, my dad IS my mom

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When will the Imperial people rise up and have a popular revolution?

I want a Les Mis-style melodramatic youth uprising on some neo-Bourbon world.

>>52172255
well it's a whole threesome then

>>52172240
>Not being gifted the ability to asexually reproduce from our wonderful dark lord

>>52170255
Germans.

>>52172243
I think in the pic they mean you can play them as either Tartaros (SM) or regular Chaos Terminators (CSM)

>>52172264
Revolts happen all the time, it's just that it only takes one SM to show up and suddenly everyone feels tired and wants to return to their hab blocks in an orderly fashion.

>>52171324
Fuck off, Cal.

>Thousand Sons/Magnus/Ahriman redemptionfags absolutely BTFO in this book
utter kek how will they ever recover

>>52172243
Space marine will hace rules for tartaros terminators, but chaos space marine use standard rules for chaos terminator.
;)

MkIII use standard rules por space marine or chaos space marine.

>>52172301
Why can't chaos get tartaros/cataphractii rules? I don't think daemon engines makes up for our complete lack of variety in non-FW units.

>>52172243
>hey, loyalists, here's more heresy era shit
>oh, we guess CSM can counts as for their regular terminators too
At this point the shitposters can't even defend it by saying CAM are supposed to be about recent renegades.

>>52172345
And even then space marines get more forge world stuff than CSM

>>52172264
There might be a world where that could happen.

Most of the time local PDF/Enforcers/Arbiters are enough to put the boot down onto a bunch of peasants.


The Imperium at large does not give a fuck as long you pay your taxes and worship an approved version of the Emperor.

>>52172320
How so?

>>52169668
Ha! I wondered how long it would take for someone to use that image!

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>>52172243
>have two squads of cataphractii
>play chaos

well okay

>>52172416
>you aren't in the timeline where Black Legion MoTz Cataphractii Chaos Lords are considered the gold star of stupidly durable characters

>>52172363
Magnus is wholly and irredeemably pity and evil in the new book.

>>52172310
Who?

>>52172455
Sure, Magnus is. How does that affect the Ahriman plotline OR the possibility of the reubrics being restored and redeemed?

>>52172264
>I want a homo erotica youth uprising on some neo-Bourbon world.

Yeah. The rest of us probably don't feel the same way...

>>52172192
>f-fucking d-drumpf

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>>52172192
>That's XCOM, baby!

How do you bring the shitty Traitor Legions (Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Black Legion, and Word Bearers) up to par?

>>52171324
time to spam traktor kannons

>>52172487
Squat CSM in 8th and just let people use the marine codex as traitors

>>52171965
As an alpha legion player, i can tell you, infiltrait is unreliable. its a tool to be used when appropate, but can leave you troops out infront and vunruble to counter assult, where as pods get your guys exactly where they need to be

>>52171668
you can still buy all of those?

>>52172465
There is no plotline and you are a moron.

The Rubric was cast AFTER the HH. When the Thousand Sons were drenched with loyalist blood having taken part in the siege of Terra.

Ahriman is using the Rubric thing as a deluded excuse for seeking absolute power.

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>khorne player
>wants to play a ranged army
Just play Aeldari you fucking homo.

>>52172487
>Word Bearers
Give them things outside of summoning and hating UM. Make posessed useful.

>>52172513
Ah alright, thanks for the input

>>52172509
im not against this

>>52172243
>40k Typhon in Indomitus
>30k Typhon in Cataphractii
>40k Abaddon in Indomitus
>30k Abaddon in Cataphractii

Erry day I'm suffering.

>>52172513
After all the eldar and Tau nerfs, tyranid and ork buffs, one of my wishes is for CSM to get drop pods.

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>>52171840
Deathwatch. A highly diverse group that use highly coordinated strikes (flag capture), xenos artifacts (power of kek) and Inquistorial intelligence gathered by acolytes (400lb hackers) to defeat the emperors enemies (leftists)

>>52172517
>2017 thinking khorn worshippers are mindless barbarians

Did you start playing on 7th?

>>52172243
>tartaros terminators OR standard Chaos terminators
I think this means no Chaos tartaros rules.

>>52172517
>doesn't know Khorne is all about war machines
>doesn't know Khorne daemons get a cannon
>doesn't know Khorne daemons have the best BS
>doesn't know Khorne's gifts used to include ranges weapons, even in WHFB
>"Hurr, just hit 'em wif muh ax, durr."

>>52172551
they do
they are just 100 pts each

>>52172560
its fucking bull is what it is

>>52172555
>not chessmaster 4D
>not 6 million sold

>>52170551
CSM warp magic could pull it off.

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>>52169668
So now we essentially have the 40k end times, and it's pretty much confirmed with the annouchment next week, who here feels fucking stupid that their $/£1000 worth of models will soon be useless?

>>52172487
For Word Bearers copy paste Gal Vorbak from 30k as possessed.

Give Iron Warriors access to actual siege weapons. Iron Warriors only basilisks/medusa and leviathan dreadnoughts

Maybe make it so Night Lords can force fear against ATSNKF and fearless enemies

Black Legion gets cataphractii terminator armor for use with MoT a better abaddon, give them fearless.

Overall, CSM themselves need a 1 or 2 point per model drop, same for Chosen, and cultists should be 40 to a unit.

>>52172487
Warsmith confers +1 armour all round for IW vehicles until he is killed
+1 Cover save for NL units, units out in the open get a cover save and NL units ignore grenades
Aspiring Champion and 1 upgrade (up to the value of 30pts) is free for BL units
When entering close combat, once per game, a unit of Word Bearers Chaos Space Marines can elect to become a unit of Possessed. For the duration of that turn, the newly-possessed Chaos Space Marines get +1 attack. The enemy unit that was assaulted, for the duration of the game, suffers -2 to their base Leadership stat that cannot be modified in any way.

>>52172604
nice concern trolling, faggot

>>52172517
Nigga the Harvest's fluff is literally kill anigga for his house, then shoot the niggas who were gonna kill the niggas in your new house. Nigga this is my house now. Get your own.

>>52170792
He got an Eldar GF and went to talk to dad.

>>52172513
>>52172523
Forgot to mention; Raptors gain the Raven Guards 'Strike from the Shadows' tactic, meaning all units gain Shrouded until their second game turn. If I infiltrate them by some cover, is it still 'too' dangerous?

nth for give orks better dakka

>>52172604
Can i buy your +$1000 worth of models for $10 since they will be useless? :)

>>52170955
>I'm incredibly autistic and don't like 40k because it doesn't appeal to my autistic sensibilities
Just play bolt action or smth baka

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>>52172557
>he thinks Khornates are mindless barbarians
You don't have to be a mindless barbarian to be close combat only.

>>52172562
>b-but muh artillery!
If you can't even see your foe might as well throw shit at him. But you'll never see a Khorne Daemon shooting at you with anything that requires line of sight when he can run at you and hack you to pieces instead.

Fuck you faggots, Khorne is the melee God. If manly single combat makes your ass clench then go play Aeldari, Tau or some other faggot army.

>>52171840
Fuck off, loser

>>52172575
And chew on your models randomly and don't have inertial guidance

>>52172517
0/10 would not collect skulls with.

>>52172655
>never see a khorne daemon shooting at you with anything that requires line of sight
>what are Skull Cannons of Khorne

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>>52172604
>So now we essentially have the B8ing faggot end times, and it's pretty much confirmed with the annouchment next week, who here feels fucking stupid that their $/£1000 worth of horse dildos will soon be useless?

G8 b8 m8...

>>52172604

>So now we essentially have the 40k end times,
They said they weren't but lets say they did


>who here feels fucking stupid that their $/£1000 worth of models will soon be useless?

Not a single model was squatted during the End times, so what's your problem?

>>52172676
>skull cannons
>not artillery
End your shit life.

>>52172655
>what is caring not how nor where the blood floes, so long that it does

>>52172694
But anon, they don't have the Barrage rule, and therefore require LoS!

>>52172691
Bretonia and Tomb Kings say hello.
Or the totally supported mortal realms.

This is GW axing games or armies is nothing new.

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>>52172655
Youre caring pretty hard how the blood flows anon.

The boss wants a word with you.

>>52172703
Let him be, his blood isn't worth spilling and his skull is deformed. He brings no joy to Khorne.

>>52172708

Bretonnia and Tomb Kings had rules since day 1 of Age of Sigmar.

At the LVO Tomb Kings came 4th.

What are you talking about?

Khorne's only real thing aside from blood must flow is you have to do it on your own; no wizards allowed.

>>52172604
>essentially
>pretty much
There sure is a lot of certitude in this post. I had better take is as truth.

>>52172722
I don't suppose Khorne cares if the skulls are whole or splintered?

>>52172655
Khorne is the god of war and from the start ranged combat has been a massive part of warfare.

Ranged Khornates are completely fluffy, have some fun with your dudes anon.

Do you think khorne bezerkers mercifully beat their ships crews during combat for being heretical cowards? Its all right and propper warfare to the blood god.

not too hard though they still have to get them to the planet.

>>52172730
This meme.

What now GW has no problems with FW in their stores?

>>52172655
Khorne is the god of war and from the start ranged combat has been a massive part of warfare.

Ranged Khornates are completely fluffy, have some fun with your dudes anon.

Do you think khorne berserkers mercifully beat their ships crews during combat for being heretical cowards? Its all right and propper warfare to the blood god.

not too hard though they still have to get them to the planet.

>>52172763
He does sit on them after all.

>>52172516
>"I don"'t know what I'm talking about, so I'll hide my ignorance with vitriol"
Thanks for the input, Tardicus. Go read the Ahriman novels and try to argue there isn't an ongoing Ahriman-Rubric plotline.

>>52172802
>>52172780

Bah ignore.

>>52172506
How does that differ from any other time you plan to play past turn 3 as orks

>>52172668
Also smaller transport capacity and far more restrictive DT access.

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>>52172703
>implying half of his fuckimg fluff isn't about how much he prefers close combat
>implying ranged is anything other than a means to an end to flush out entrenched opossition so you can hack them to pieces later
Enjoy getting eaten alive by Flesh Hounds blasphemer.

>>52172722
Right after I tear your skull out of your neck with my bare hands you fucking ranged-loving weakling.


You can't do that with a rifle. His most basic blessing is melee ferocity. That you effeminate ranged-cucks even call yourselves Khornates is an insult to the Eightfold Path to be punished by an extremely violent death.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

>>52172551
CSM shouldn't have pods. DS helps differentiate SM and CSM. What they do need is lower point costs and daemon engines that are good. Also, boons are cancer.

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>>52172668
>>52172830

What time this week is the big announcement this week? I'm trapped here the plows have admitted defeat.

>>52172858
Aww the new kid thinks hes in tune.

>>52172882
Not an argument, rangedcuck. Go play Aeldari.

>>52172858
>God of war

>Ranged combat isnt part of his portfolio

Nigga what?

>>52172858
How new are you? Heck man, in the KhorneDaemonkin codex, and other publications, it is explicitly stated that Khorne doesn't care.

>>52172895
Go read your factions fluff.

>>52172903
>Khornate cultists share their God's straightforward philosophy on warfare and battle tactics, preferring to charge directly at their foes in order to defeat them in close, melee combat where they can make the blood really flow. As such, Khorne's followers are generally berserkers that pay little heed to tactics or defence in their frenzy for blood
Feel free to cut your own head off in apology.

>>52172801
>playing at gw stores

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>>52172858
Hey guys whats going on in this thread?

>>52172913
Not argument, rangedcuck. Go play Aeldari if honorable 1v1s make your ass clench.

>>52172929
Cultists are retards though.

>>52172943
People that do not know the lore pretending to know.

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>>52172943
>old retconned models
Ayy lmao

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>>52172943
Nothing just waiting this anon pretending hes in tight with the boss.

>>52172929
Wow it's almost like nowhere in there so they say that khornates don't do ranged
If anything it says most do melee because that's their general preference