/5eg/ Fifth Edition General

http://www.strawpoll.me/12523063

I know we got the Mystic hype going on but have this anyway.

>>52161268

FIRST FOR MYSTICS HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIITTT WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>Mystics shun the world

>Mystics are loners.

>Mystics develop a variety of practices to keep their focus sharp. These practices are reflected in taboos and quirks, strange little behaviors that govern a mystic’s actions.

>Few feel accepted by society, and fewer still care to become integrated with it.

I get why they're so popular round here.

>Bestial Form -> Transformation -> Tough Hide
>untyped +2 AC that works through armor
yooooooooooooooooooooo

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Quickly! Respond to this with Mystic character ideas. We can flesh em out here.

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>>52161346
Soul Knife serial killer that is completely obsessed with making the sharpest knife in existence.

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Post yfw mystics are canonically autistic

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>>52161346
A guy who waves his hands about to tap into overworldly energies to make supernatural things occur like balls of fire and daylight underground

Oh wait

>>52161394
>You dye your hair bright blue or green
post yfw some Mystics are SJWs

>>52161268
>Food and provisions
you had me scared for a second there

>>52161346
Halfling Soulknife who was a member of the city watch. Used his powers to hunt people down and etc. After arresting the leader of the thieves' guild he got a note saying he had to leave town asap or his family would be murdered.

Now he's adventuring and sending the money back home but his family thinks he's dead and the money's inheritance coming in over time.

>>52161346
A soldier framed with murdering an innocent family in the heat of battle by his former bunkmate, sentenced to prison isolation for life. Unable to do anything but live until death, they find a book in the prison library selection he is allotted that seems to speak of inner power. Reading this until every page was memorized, the soldier eventually learns the power of the mind, and escapes his prison using his newfound Mystic power, with the goal of finding the man who framed him and bringing him to justice, and clearing his name.

>>52161394
>You pick a new name each day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAw1XATpAHY

>>52161319
Haven't read all of this yet but that's a bad sign.

>>52161433
there's a good question, can halflings grow beards from extended time in the wild without hygiene and with only their own autism for company.

>>52161394
I pick quirk 5, quirk 11, and quirk 12 (headband).

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FINALLY
IT IS DEAD

The way they limited the Mystic's access to level 6 and higher costed effects is awkward. I hope we can come up with a better way to explain it than special pool of psi points. Looks like a decent balance though.

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>>52161346
Muslim Indiana Jones who's all about those crystals.

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>>52161394
Tell me about mystics. Why do they wear masks?

INB4 Giant Groth + Bugbear memes

>>52161452
What if I told you that you can deal 3d10+3d6 damage in melee four times a day at level 3

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>>52161503
I'M GROWING STRONGER

>order of the immortal
>psionic resilience
This is highly questionable.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12524306
Imagine your boss has psychic powers.
What do you do?

>>52161521
+15 feet more range uhhggggggggg

>>52161460
>53 pages of nothing

>>52161532
>playing an unarmored class that needs Dex and Con
>having more than 16 Int at relevant levels
>oh no +3 HP per turn

So we can assume that Telepathy only goes one way like awakened mind?
Or does it go two-ways?

Soul Knife or the Avatar (For which I'm writing Ardent on my character sheet)

>no action jumping up to 140 feet
noice

I might dip for Iron Durability on my 23 AC Bladesinger :3

>Mighty Leap for +60 movement
>Celerity focus and Rapid Step for +40 movement
>Blur of Motion for invisibility while moving
See ya later, nerds!

>>52161555
Or you could just use armor instead of that garbage like a smart person.
Infinite regeneration is dumb under any circumstance.

I find it odd that the Avatar has a class skill that boost their healing but I don't see a Discipline that heals, only temporary HP.

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>>52161346
Immortal Mystic who is basically just a Guyver.
Basically we have somekind of Symbiotic bio-suit from Bestial Form via Immortal Mystic.

I know my next character

>>52161618
Psionic Restoration (Immortal) is the healing discipline.

Mantle of command with a rouge in your party is amazing holy shit :3

I see that there is no real "psychic blasty" mystic but wu jen is elemental. I actually like this a lot, means you don't get the wizard problem of peopel going evoker because they don't understand the power of battlefield control.

>>52161616
So make it Temp HP. It replaces, doesn't stack.

>>52161346
>You write down the name of each creature you slay, and name ones that are unnamed
encouraging players to keep a kill count

Hey guys they finally fixed Wot4E.

>Corrosive Metabolism
>smearing acid on people
>spraying poison everywhere
>breathing death clouds
>killing anyone who cuts you because you have xenomorph blood that splashes onto them
This is actually really cool.

What is the most sexual character build, repressed or otherwise? I'm thinking grappling barbarogue.

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>Bestial Weapon + Lethal Strike
>14d10 damage for 14 total points
>at lvl9
>with 57 pp
BLOOD
NOW

>>52161653
It *is* temp HP. It is not regeneration. It's heroism.

>>52161673
Bardbarian grappler for sure

LICHES ARE NOW OBSOLETE

WHO NEEDS TO BE A LICH WHEN YOU CAN JUST BE A PSION AND MAKE YOUR MIND IMMORTAL

>>52161663
Fuck yea it is! Immortal Mystic is our path to a Monster Characters! HYPE!

So is the order discipline list only used for bonus disciplines or is that every discipline you can learn?

>>52161680
Then Anon is a fucking moron for complaining about it to begin with

I really fucking like immortal thus far. Others are cool but immortal does so much cool stuff.

>>52161628
So it is. Thank you. Silly me figured it'd be an Avatar Discipline.

>>52161695
Just bonuses. You can learn any discipline you want. Before this rendition of Mystics, their healing-when-manifesting was dependant on spending PP in a discipline matching your order, but that restriction was replaced with having to spend a bonus action instead.

>>52161685

Liches are still vastly superior.

>>52161700
To be fair you apparently didn't notice either.

>Call to Inaction
>you spend one minute boring a creature to death and filling it with crushing ennui
>just sits there for the next ten minutes while you walk the fuck past

>>52161707
Any archetype can use any discipline. Note that there aren't actually enough disciplines for Nomads to fill their shit with.

Guys, why can't I shake the feeling that today was the day 5e got ruined?

Building an infernal tiefling mystic coming straight from Ribcage. She's adventuring to escape her minor noble/merchant family which she shames with her autistic existence. I want to go battlefield control with a side of blasty. Any good traits and actual builds made up thus far?
>>52161781
Now we no longer have a goal.

>CROWN OF RAGE
>Focus: any creature within 5 feet of you makes attacks against other creatures with disadvantage
>this isn't concentration
>even raging Barbs can use it
>it's literally always on
>just glue yourself to enemies and be the ultimate tank
N I C E

>>52161781
Every party needs a pooper thats why we invited you.

Party Pooper!

>>52161346

A child who had to watch from under a bed as a bandit murdered their parents with a knife. They could see the light and the blood and the blade and the image forever burned into their mind along with the trauma of lost unlocked their hidden mental power. This power manifests itself in a blood red blade of mental energy which the child hopes to one day use on the bandit.

>>52161736
sure, till it comes time to do stuff you need to be alive for. like fucking. and drinking. and not being emo.

>>52161813
>can use psychic abilities/focus while raging
This is terrible by flavor but I suppose its an active game mechanic to make cool builds.

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Nomad is my favorite so far. I want to play a kleptomaniac gypsy with psychic powers now.

>>52161828
excellent. anime/10.

>Fighting Words
>make people kill each other at level one
>literally playing Satan walking into towns and inciting everyone to murderous acts of violence through casual conversation
Christ, how horrifying.

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>>52161823

continuing the train of thought

>>52161847

>Reminder that you could just have played a Vistani bard

Are we all hyped for Order of the Immortal?! Seriously look at that fucking Brute Force shit. Mighty Leap literally lets you jump up cliffs.

>>52161836
magic jar/polymorph

>They dropped the far realm shit
YES

What are /5e/ thoughts on the new Mystic?

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>>52161848

I was thinking more Dex-Starr but that works I suppose.

That said, I'm playing an Immortal like Toad from 5 Deadly Venom. I just wish there were feats that made your unarmed attacks stronger so I could go unarmed as well.

>>52161908
he's missing the neckbeard and the sonic t-shirt. seriously, mystic and autistic even rhymes.

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>>52161894
>They dropped the far realm shit
>YES
>he prefers scifi crap over already underused Far Realm stuff
Beastly idiot.

So just checking, the only way for a mystic to get better weapons and armor is to be a soulknife?

Kinda miss the immortal having heavier armor and bigger weapons like the 4e Fightbrain

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>MICROSCOPIC FORM
Do you fuckers have any idea what this means?

Anyone wanna see the encounter groups I have planned for levels 1-5 of my megadungeon or nah?

The idea is that I am making a dragon-free, orcoid-free region (to accentuate the places where they are found), so its mostly things associated with demon lords, dungeon flora and fauna, etc.

>>52161846
Terrible by flavor?

Psshh...Bitch, you even know what Mewtwo is?

>Angry all the time
>Some kind freak made by wizards
>When you're rage gets out of control psychic waves naturally emit from you crushing ALL around you

Cringe as fuck, but it would be sweet to be a Hob Goblin that was experimented on by Goblins and this is the outcome.

>>52161964
Avatar / Ardent has medium armor and shields.
Dwarf Psions have medium armor.
Immortals are shirtless Psi-Barbarians straight outta Barsoom / Athas now.

>>52161939
Tavern Brawler. -ish.

>>52161908
That's just a wizard man.

>>52161846
In what fucking universe is rage not a valid emotion to channel mental might?

>>52162018
Nuh-uh, his shit's purple.

>>52161809
>literally just released
>GUYS ANY BUILDS TO SPOONFEED ME YET

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>>52161346

Either the Prince as a Immortal or Elika as an Awoken and/or Nomad

>>52162027
Of course, he's a nigger wizard.

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The time is now, I can finally try and come up with a way to make the ultimate ninja.

>>52161965
does anyone remember that build for halflings where you crept inside someone's anus then expanded while inside in order to deal damage? does this mean we can do that again?

>>52162043
>he picked the worst prince of them all
Wow, talk about shit taste.

>>52162051
that's not magic, that's grape drink

>>52162060
that's right, this one: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Arseplomancer
I wonder how we can make this work again

>>52162030
I'm looking more for inspiration for roleplaying an autisitic noble kid than for builds but if anybody sees any cool shit I"d like to know.
>>52162024
I suppose for a lot of the powers just doing your shit with anger is viable. Being so angry that your anger spreads to those around you where they can't focus on anything but you sounds better now that I think about it.

So all the disciplines, their psychic focus are passives, and are always on? Like when you have like 3 + 2 from your subclass, you have all 5 passives at once?

>>52161662
I thought the same shit

>>52162133
You can only have one Focus active at a time. You can change it on a bonus action. Some features immediately end it and prevent you from regaining focus until you rest.

>>52162086
Alright, so the general Idea for how that'd work is to use diminution with microscopic form to grow smaller than tiny, crawl inside someone's anus, possibly get to just below the stomach, then use the giant growth giant form to explode the person you're inside, or at least cause them to shit out a giant, gaping their asshole to the size of a house. Wonderful.

Lel the Immortal kills the Monk.

Good Riddance to rubbish

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>Mastery of Fire Wu Jen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcIS11jim4E

Is this mystic very different from the previous version?

Mighty Leap (1–7 psi). As part of your
movement,you jump in any direction up to 20
feet per psi point spent
>7 psi
>140 foot leap

>>52162224
How do you figure?

>>52162240
Not really. It's mostly an expansion and rebalancing of disciplines. The biggest changes are:
>Immortal has Unarmored Defense instead of heavy armor and shields
>every Order gets two free disciplines related to their Order
>Psionic Restoration is a bonus action and doesn't care about what discipline you're spending PP on

Why would ANYONE play a monk after this? LOL

>>52162271
>>every Order gets two free disciplines related to their Order
Except for knifefags

>>52162224

I was just thinking how the Immortal is basically iron Fist and the Immortal weapons


>And how wu jen is wizards

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So am I correct in thinking that you don't have to stick with the disciplines from your order when you level up, you just get 2 that have to be from your order at level 1?

>>52162270

Immortals are better Monks than Monks in virtually every way.

>>52162292
If I ran a game with mystic I'd sincerely consider dropping Wizard, Sorc and Monk from the playable classes for those reasons.

>>52162300
Correct.

>>52162305
Power creep is real. I bet if Wizards went back and made Monks and Fighters all over again they'd be interesting.

>>52162305
>3 stat dependence
>better

>>52162271
So Immortal is now a monk instead of a battle mind/psychic warrior

>>52162300
Yeah, afaict. It's less limiting than AD&D psionicist, which had specific levels at which you could pick up a new school over your initial one.

I am just happy I get to play my shitty jedi now. Feels a bit tooo much like the jedi class desu

>>52162292

Wu Jen is kinda Dr. Strange Movie Wizardry although they are probably Wu Jen / Nomad / Immortals

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>>52162323
>>52162340
Excellent, I can still play awakened with healing stuff!

>>52162330
>implying you can get away with less in 5e
Please show me your amazing wizard that pumps everything at chargen into int, anon

It's officially busted. I'm pretty sure this is the most powerful class, even without archetypes, to exist in 5e.

And of course, each archetype fulfills every role in the game, so you'll never need anything other than a party full of Mystics of various archetypes.

I'm fully expecting the Battle Master in my group to ask to be a refluffed Soul Knife instead, the Evoker Wizard to be a refluffed Wu Jen instead and the Life Cleric to be a refluffed Avatar instead.

5e has been solved.

>>52162331
They're shirtless Psychic Warriors.

>>52162363
This is still a playtest.

>>52162305
Other than the whole "fight people" sense, yeah. Only overlap is unarmored defense, which is stepping on their toes to the same degree that a life cleric getting heavy armor steps on the paladin's toes.

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>>52162363
>we can finally run games where every member of the party can have a distinct role and still do oodles of interesting, useful, and mechanically powerful things
Is... is this what victory feels like?

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>>52161346

same way I've wanted to since August.

Time to think of some Nomad builds

>>52162402
>we can finally run games where everyone is literally just a refluffed version of the same class because there's no reason to play any other class
If you call going back to the caster supremacy of 3.x victory, then sure.

I don't think a Mystic replaces Wizard or Cleric but Sorcerors, Warlocks and Monks got ganked pretty hard by the Mystic.

>Psionic Talents are better than most cantrips

I anticipate a lot of shenanigans with the Psychic Hammer push mechanic

>Water Whip fires a beam of water 60 feet long
>creatures that fail their save can be moved to ANY UNOCCUPIED SPACE TOUCHING THE LINE
>60 foot aoe knockbacks
jesus christtttt

i asked this in a previous thread but never got an answer.

is there a tweak to the savant that isn't so blatantly OP? I want to let my players use it because it's thematically awesome but just too strong mechanically

>Giant Growth
>EVEN MORE REACH
BUGBEARS WHERE YOU AT

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>>52162267
For reference that's bow to stern on this thing.

>>52162440
But they're not casters and half of this shit is about beating stuff up with your beefy arms.

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>Mighty Leap
we wuxia now

How much would 5e change if I allowed multiple reactions per round? Limited to like 2 or 3.

On an entirely different note, any tips to help combat move faster?

>>52162440
That's a bit like calling a duergar barbarogue a caster because of his invisibility and enlarge.

So Charming Presence from Mantle of Awe appears rather useless. 2d8 per power point means that most humanoid enemies that aren't Challenge 0 are going to be out of your range, and even most basic animals (like wolves, a relative staple of the low level game), are going to be a tough sell.
Even using 2 PP each time, you're still more likely to get someones horse than you are to get them (in fact, you are guaranteed to get someone's horse before getting the rider in 90% of the situations, since it goes from lowest HP to highest).
No save, which is nice, but it's still rather lackluster. Maybe bumping it up to 3d8?

>>52162485
Why couldn't monk have had this.

>>52162464
They're not casters but it's the same degree of supremacy. You're literally gimping your party if you're playing a Barbarian, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer or Warlock instead of a Mystic.

So how does one make a SINGLE CLASSED mystic that somehow humiliates an Open Hand monk?

>>52162499
It's basically just sleep.

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>>52162485
It's time

>>52162394

The only think Immortals don't have is stunning fist.

But overall the Immortal has way way more flexibility and can even get a decent ranged blast so they are less melee dependent

>>52162487
lol

>>52162487
>any tips to help combat move faster?

Every one but the DM gets 3 minutes for their turn.

They'll whine. Let'em

>>52162499
>Badass warrior comes up on their horse
>Use charming presence and make their horse unwilling to cooperate
I can dig it

>>52162551
Its a joke dipshit

>>52162521
>muh autismancy
>sincerely putting Paladin and Rogue in that list
>not putting Wizard

>>52162551
>THREE WHOLE MINUTES
What the fuck? If you don't know what you're doing while everyone else is taking their turns you need to get the fuck out of my table. Your turn shouldn't take more than 30 seconds unless you're casting a spell with multiple targets.

>>52162529
Make a Mystic and build it however you want.

Job done, you've humiliated an Open Hand monk and 80% of class-archetype combinations in the game.

>>52162578
>job done, you're now a member of the order of the white room

>>52162567
No, its not a joke. My combat that's a party of 4 against 4 imps and a barbed devil took nearly a fucking hour.

>>52162578

Better than the monk yes but most of the regular melee classes are stronger than the mystic except when the Mystic is going Nova.

>>52162603
What level and what was the party make up?

>>52162614
When a Mystic gets to level 5 and above, they've got enough psi-points that they can afford to go Nova at least twice every encounter.

>>52162614
No, but see, white room means there is no DM to tell you you can't break rules that are inconvenient to going nova all day everyday.

>>52162567
Why did you think it was a joke? Doesn't seem like a joke at all.

>>52162499
Actually, this is rather funny now that I give it a thought
>Mystic uses Charming Presence
>Rather than charm the enemies, he charms all the wildlife around him
>Birds begin pecking the bad people hurting their new friend
>Ants start crawling up his enemies legs
>Ticks and fleas begin crawling into eyes and ear holes
>Finally, half a minute later, an old, curmudgeon badger trundles out of his hole, woken up from his nap, sees an awesome looking person, and rushes over, bounding off of corpses to headbutt the Mystic in greeting

>>52162575

I have this one guy at my table that has raped action economy and easily turns minimally difficult combats into 3 hour affairs. The DM gleefully allows it because he somehow thinks this translates into "being more epic"

I want to kill myself, but for now, I'll grant 3 minutes is enough

>everyone seems to think Mystics have unlimited PP that regens on short rests and access to every discipline

>>52161468
What are you talking about? They have a psi point limit of 6 starting at level 8. The bonus psi points aren't a limitation on anything, they're just a set of bonus psi points with limits on how you spend them.

>>52162662
How does that work?

>>52162643
3
Bear totem barbarian
GOOlock with tome
College of Lore bard
Ranged champion fighter (who also has a +1 hand crossbow as the only magic weapon of the party)

>>52162645

If you do a long rest every other encounter sure but Immortals burn through power points fast.

They have decent durability but their AC is somewhat lacking

>>52162652
>How much would 5e change if I allowed multiple reactions per round? Limited to like 2 or 3.

Any way to make combat longer and break the game for no reason?

>On an entirely different note, any tips to help combat move faster?

Any way to make combat shorter?

>>52162667
Consider that most groups barely go 2 encounters without taking a long rest and combine that with just how many disciplines they're allowed to get access to.

>>52162662

How the fuck did he break the action economy so bad? This shit isn't 3.x where casters complete broke the space-time continuum.

>>52162667
They also think this is a class with Extra Attack or something.
>Monks are swinging four times
>Immortal gets one shot at landing his psychic explosion blade

>>52162700
It's pretty obvious at this point that the games the WotC crew plays and the games the general public plays are significantly different.

>>52162700

It's not our fault that your DM is a knob

>>52162678
The special pool of points can, I think, be spent towards creating a group of concentration effects whose total cost do not exceed the special point pool. Effectively, you can cast a "6th level" and later "8th level" concentration effect by combining lesser effects together.

Or you can just use them like mostly normal points.

I'm just not clear on if the action you use to gain the points is supposed to be separate from the action/bonus action used to spend them. As it's written right now, I think you have to precharge and ready them.

>Barbarian
Replaced with Order of the Immortal.
>Bard
Replaced with Order of the Avatar.
>Cleric
Replaced with Order of the Avatar.
>Druid
Replaced with Order of the Nomad.
>Fighter
Replaced with Order of the Soul Knife.
>Monk
Replaced with Order of the Immortal.
>Paladin
Replaced with Order of the Immortal.
>Ranger
Replaced with Order of the Nomad.
>Rogue
Replaced with Order of the Soul Knife.
>Sorcerer
Replaced with Order of the Awakened.
>Warlock
Replaced with Order of the Awakened.
>Wizard
Replaced with Order of the Wu Jen.

I think I've just fixed 5e.

>>52162729
6 encounters a day is way, way too combat heavy for a lot of people, there's games that can go days without a single fight.

The hardcore rest rules feel like they might work better for most games, honestly.

>>52162762
>replacing classes that bring unique things to the table with orders that don't replace them
Immortal and Avatar most definitely do not replace key Paladin, Bard or even Cleric things.

Unless all you see is the spell lists, in which case you're a dumbass who should stick to PF.

>>52162687

How doesn't it?

Druid

>DM allows Conjurations to pick the monster
>Druid always conjures 8 pixies and plays 9 turns every round
>Each pixie has an individual spell list which he hasn't memorized and takes a million years to study the spells

>Wants to playtest UA material
>DM allows him to play two PC's from his fanfic background
>UA is also a druid
>Another hour so that he can manage two spell lists and decide which spell is most apropriate for the round only the moment that character's turn begins

>We're fighting a horde of a million vine blights
>Duid goes fire elemental
>Druid just dashes through all the blights
>Rolls 1d10 of fire damage for each one of the vines he touched
>Individually
>Yes, he rolls like 30 individual 1d10's
>But wait
>Then the vine blights get attacks of opportunity
>DM rolls a million attacks of opportunity
>Individually
>But wait
>Now its the vine blights turn
>The Druid rolls a million 1d10 fire damage for their burning condition
>Individually


I don't know how much longer I can take this

>>52162762
>Bard
>Replaced with Order of the Avatar.
>Cleric
>Replaced with Order of the Avatar.
>Druid
>Replaced with Order of the Nomad
>Paladin
>Replaced with Order of the Immortal
>Wizard
>Replaced with Order of the Wu Jen
What is this meme?

>>52162786
Nope but they definitely do the job better than Bards, Clerics or Paladins and I'd rather have a Mystic than any of those classes in my group, even if it's a refluffed Mystic.

>>52162818
You have no taste and should be ashamed.

>>52162799
Oh, and of course before I forget ,each attack of opportunity is another contact the vine blights make on the fire elemental, so it's another million 1d10's which the druid rolls


Individually

>>52162810
It's called fixing 5e and removing redundant classes.

>>52162827
You're the one that should be ashamed of encouraging people to play trash classes instead of Mystic.

Too bad there isn't any way to do a body-horror Mystic like Tetsuo in Akira.

Someone needs to generate a mystic Mind Flayer though

Captain Planet-themed Wu Jen adventure when?

>>52162940
>What are the immortal disciplines

>>52162940
Immortal disciplines, fluff it out as body-horror transformations.

>>52162840
Except in no world is a wu jen on par with wizard.

>>52162799
>>52162833

120d10 rolled individually, at 4 seconds a roll + 2 seconds to write down the damage, at 4d8 hit points per monster, reckon would give you about an extra hour and change on the battle time

>>52162741
Oh, I see what you mean now. I guess that's one way to look at it, if you think about it like that. I just saw it as a nifty way to do multiple bits at once.

>>52162964
Apply yourself.

>>52161621

> Occluded Mind is still the same
> Everyone get telepathy now but Mind Meld is still there for some reason

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Starting a new campaign and I said it was my turn to be the 'healer'.

Never played a Cleric before, is there anything I should play around with before I play this weekend?

>Finally settled on character then the Mystic gets released

So now I'm back to the beginning. Dwarven Satire Bard grappler, Lizardfolk Deepstalker or Human Soul Knife?

>>52163018
You mean, Dwarven Immortal Mystic, Lizardfolk Nomad Mystic or Human Soul Knife Mystic?

>>52162799
>blights
Let me guess, you let yourself get roped into a pre written module on and now you don't want to bail on a spoiler story

>>52162958
>>52162962

You can do growth as gross stuff but for the most part most of the disciplines aren't that gross.

It's more X-men and less Junji Ito

Mantle of Command seems fun. Is this the Warlord we want?

>>52162127
It looks like you can use powers while raging, but you still can't concentrate on anything.

>>52163017
Combat healing is a meme.

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Wow I'm glad I can finally be a huge faggot and build that kobold.

>>52163041
Refluff it, you unimaginative moron.

>>52163035
You didn't really need to correct the last one.
>>52163018
Go for the Soul Knife dude. You know it calls to you.

>>52163070
awww, that's adorable.

>>52161268
>these mystic quirks
so this is the autism class?

>Intellect Fortress
>Psychic Backlash
>Either the attacker misses with disadvantage, or takes 2d10 psychic damage
>Almost certain that you'll give more damage to the enemy than they'll give to you twice every long rest at level one

WOO LAD

>>52163053

Too bad Mantle of Awe sucks balls

My players already hounded me to let'em play with this jedi fagotry

Guess what just got banned at my table

>>52163106
>Guess what just got banned at my table
Fun?

If a character wants to play as an Artificer class character, would it be unfair to change the setting to have normal guns?

>>52163097
There's a reason charoppers love it so much.

>>52163106

You could have just saved us the trouble and told us you suck dicks.

>>52163106
Fagotry is banning the funniest class ever released

>>52163120
Guns in fantasy equals bad taste.

>>52163103
Hey, Summon Woodland Friends the Discipline is awesome, and don't you fucking forget it.

>>52163120
Play a Wu Jen Mystic instead.

>>52163106

>Not just giving in and giving them Jedi Powers plus radiant weapons

Just surrender to the dark side bro

>>52163106
Tony?

>>52163120
.
No, because then their particular gun is special than anything else anyone else could have made for them.

>>52163142
aw shit! Tony was banned?

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>>52163106

>>52163017
Don't cast cure wounds in combat. Use healing word when someone's down. Then use action to be useful and kill shit.

>>52163106
Enjoyment?

Does this mean I can finally have a skeleton frame and make the Sword Sage using the Mystic?

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>All these fuckers acting like Mystic is a Tier 1 class and beats all others


Even if that was true, do you fuckers only play with metagamers and munchkins? Is there really no one at your table who plays a character because they enjoy the character? Do you only play to "win DnD?"

>>52163137

Unfortunately Charming Presence doesn't scale for shit unless you just want to be the mystic that constantly psi-roofies all of the bar maids in town.

>>52163017
As a guy who spent an entire campaign as life cleric...
>Don't heal in combat, unless somebody is downed and dying - in this case, throw a healing word.
>Prayer of Healing is your best friend when out of combat.
>If you're a life cleric, you'll most likely be standing in melee. If that's the case, Spiritual Weapon and Spirit Guardians are the spells you're supposed to be casting.
>Contagion and Bestow Curse are also your best friends.

>>52163183
My group uses ironman rules, if your character dies, YOU die.

no, not blackleaf!

>>52162521
Hyperbolic retardation.

>>52163183
have you read the descriptions? You can turn into a giant and smash people. Or leap up cliffs. Or Literally heal people by feeling at them. There is so much enjoyment to be had with this Class even without the stats.

>>52163183
Go to fucking theater school, you dork.

I finally have something I can point at as an example of why someone shouldn't play a non-caster. Literally every non-caster or partial-caster, such as paladin or ranger, can be refluffed as a Mystic and they'll be better for it.

So if I get one more cunt trying to play a non-caster or non-Mystic in my group, they're getting booted out the fucking door for dragging down the group's experience.

>>52163160

Come on just playing the healbot/healslut cleric is fun.

>>52163190
How are you effecting humanoids when the average person has 4 HP, and the average Rat/Bat/Cat/Bird has 1?
You try and psi-roofie the tavern wench, and instead get all the pussy in town after you.

LIKE CATNIP I SAY! LIKE CAT NIP!

>>52162521
>You're literally gimping your party if you're playing a Barbarian, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer or Warlock instead of a Mystic.
just for that, my next character is going to multiclass into ALL of those classes, at once.

>>52162799
you know there's an app for mass dice rolling.
it really comes in handy when you have autists like that.

>>52163233
Thankfully, you don't actually play 5e. If you did, you'd get your ass kicked out of your group for that.

>>52163233
That'll go poorly for you and it won't affect that anon at all. Really that was a poorly thought out jibe overall.

>>52162578
So ya got nothin?

>>52163228
Combat healing is a bad meme, and if you're healing in combat you're gimping yourself and the party. This isn't WoW.

>>52163244
>>52163246
you fellas got something against having fun?

>>52163230

>not just turning the entire bar into a mass orgy

Fuck if you had this power why would you ever go on adventures?

Bards wish they had some of this

>>52163136
>IT MUST BE THE 1300S FOREVER
>BUT GIMME FULL PLATE AND HALBERDS

>>52163248
I'm playing a Mystic, I've got everything.

>>52163017
Bless is brilliant, and will be useful forever.
>>52161268
Nice UA description OP, kek

>>52163142

That is exactly what just got banned

>>52163264
I've got something against you for ruining other player's fun by being non-optimal and not taking your hobby seriously.

Serious, dedicated D&D players have no reason to play a non-caster or non-Mystic anymore.

>>52163272
That's cute.

>>52163264
depends what your definition of fun is. If it's being yelled at by a party that is actively gimped by your spite at an anonymous person and then being smashed into paste by the first mobs you come across because of that, then yes. yes I do.

>>52163292
thanks man, i needed that chuckle.

>>52163241

I know.
But as I was told "this way is more fun"

>>52163270

Are you saying that full plate, shield and arming sword are somehow ahistorical?

Honestly guns are fine in most kitchen sink settings and players should quite being autists about them. On the otherhand I can appreciate a desire to keep D&D from getting too infected with steampunk wankery

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>>52163228
Degrading heal sluts is fun, being one isn't. 5e is not a game where a dedicated healer is needed

>>52163292
Loving this reverse bait.

>Getting a new group together for campaign
>All good friends of mine
>JJ randomly invites his buddy (who I don't know) without asking me first
>I tell him no, nothing against him but I'm not comfortable running for strangers and I just want to play with my own friends for now, plus I want to keep the party smaller (easier to run).
>Couple days later another friend of mine asks, I think it over and agree but say that's the last player for sure.
>JJ stops contributing any to of the coordination in our group message as we prepare, I ask if he still wants to play
>JJ is pissed that I said no to his friend but invited my own
>I say I'm the DM, have put 25+ hours of work into planning this so far, and stand by that I want to play with my own friends, not strangers.
>JJ says he doesn't want to play then

Am I in the wrong? I don't see why he's so pissed when he's the guest to MY game. If he wants to play with his friends then he's more than welcome to run his own, and I'd even play with them if the DM wanted me to. But that's the DM's decision, not the player's. I respect that, shouldn't he?

>>52163303
jokes on you, anon, I don't play with autists.

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>>52163292
>Serious, dedicated D&D players have no reason to play a non-caster or non-Mystic anymore.
Please step into this shower right here.

>>52163332
well, i mean, they aren't COMPLETELY autistic.
...except the one...

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Did I do it right, /5eg/?

>>52163267
I mean, the closest thing to "Mass Orgy" would probably be Mantle of Joy's Aura of Jubilation.
Every PP spent on Charming Presence gets you 2.25 commoners who regard you as a friendly acquaintance. I don't think I'd have an orgy with a friendly acquaintance.

>>52163322
>>52163337
Please point out why you'd ever play a Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger or Rogue instead of an Immortal, Soul Knife or Nomad Mystic.

You're gimping yourself, you're gimping your party and you're ruining everyone's fun. And before you bitch about 'muh flavor,' just refluff it.

>>52163321
I loved tera healing. Playing a mystic was awesome, because it was the only class where the true power structure of Healers>Tanks>DPS was utterly visible.

You want healing? Lick my balls.

DnD doesn't need a heal bot, but damn they are powerful in this game, since you can restore someone from "bleeding out their liquified organs" to "Up and Ready for More" with just one hitpoint this edition.

>>52161746
MIND CRUSH

>>52163374
>Please point out why you'd ever play a Barbarian, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger or Rogue instead of an Immortal, Soul Knife or Nomad Mystic.
'cause i dont want to play a fucking NERD

>>52163374
Because I want to play a fighter, not a jedi knight. Also, because fuck you.

>>52163374
To have fun with my group by playing with differing playstyles because my groups aren't powergamers, and enjoy the game without having to be optimal

>>52163203
I DECLARE YOU DEAD!

>>52163391
There is not a single Mystic discipline that cannot be described as a Fighter doing Fighter things. Every single ability can be refluffed into something that an ordinary Fighter would be able to do.

So what's the point of having both Telepathy and Mind Meld, beyond the throw away line from Mind Meld about sharing the memory?

>>52163203
Get out of here, you don't exist anymore!

>>52163196

Cheers!

>>52163332
it's not autistic to want to succeed when you're fighting. it is autistic to try and play every class at once through multiclassing.

Rules question: Celerity lets you turn invisible during your movement. What happens if I take the attack action during my movement? (IE: move, attack, move)

>>52163398
Refluff it. You're not a jedi knight, you're an ordinary fighter. Every single discipline can be refluffed to make sense for a fighter.

>>52163374
A Mystic will never compare to the Paladin in terms of being a buffer.
A Mystic will never compare to the Monk in terms of being able to disable magic resistant foes.
A Mystic will never compare to a Fighter/Assassin's nova.
They don't have I win buttons like Spike Growth and Silence (sort of straining to find something good about the ranger that comes online at low levels).

They're okay.

>>52163330
>>I say I'm the DM

Yeah, you are. That right there is a read flag that there's no fun in sight for the authoritarian DM. Probably a few rail roads here and there.


Maybe say "I'm sorry man, I acknowledge you have a point, and that I'm sure that guy of yours is special. D&D is there to make friends, and make friendships better, and I didn't mean to take that away from you.
I get how this may come off as me being a dick about it, but the way this game is run requires a certain level of comfort and liberty from my part, a liberty to fuck up.
I need to know that I can fuck up in a way that I simply do not feel well allowing myself to have in front of strangers that I havent learned to trust like I do you.

If you don't want to play any more that's cool buddy, but you know, I wish you would."

>>52163383
>DnD doesn't need a heal bot, but damn they are powerful in this game
Healing is heavily outpaced by damage in this game. Preventing damage is always better than recovering from it.
>since you can restore someone from "bleeding out their liquified organs" to "Up and Ready for More" with just one hitpoint this edition.
And you could, instead of wasting an action casting cure wounds, use a bonus action and use Healing Word and then hit the monster in the face or give your big stupid fighter advantage to help kill

>>52163452
Hey J.J

>the dm doesn't allow mystics
oh wow everyone crying because something new they don't properly understand and think is OP is suddenly without something to bitch about for a little while.

besides they way they released this so close to closing time this can't be anything but a subtle fuck off to the hordes of retards that pestered Wizard for mystic, and a subtle attempt to make everyone that isn't promystic hate the promystics as much as Wizard does.

One of my players is an undying light warlock, focused on fire spells. He has that feat to ignore resistances, but it makes me feel way to guilty to ever throw in an enemy with fire immunity. Should I allow his feat to turn immunity into resistance?

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BUGBEARMONT GROWS STRONGER

It's nice, but it's clearly not a finished product.

When can we expect the next Mystic UA?

>>52163479

Nah mate.

t. Satire Bard

MEGAANON, I BESEECH THEE! SHOW THYSELF

>>52163106
UA was already banned at my table because its all shit, good on you man for doing the same.

>>52163383
No thanks, I'd rather play a cleric and nuke everything and heal when its actually relevant (0 hp)

>>52163500
BUGBEARMONT MYSTIC PRIMAL GUARDIAN

>>52163522
>I force my opinion on my players because while I believe UA to be shit I'm not a good enough DM to build around it
FTFY

>>52163512

He's not putting that garbage on the 5e tools

so, anyone see the announcment for D&D Beyond? I'd like thoughts an opinions, I agree with this random youtube guy for my part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQSfn1NR_Aw

>>52162449
Meanwhile fuck you Wot4e, your bonus action attack that costs ki points is now a full action
AHAHAHAHA

this shit gay man

>>52163545
It will probably cost about 10 dollars a month, while meganon does the same for free.
Yeah, sure, what meganon does is technically illegal, but still, how can they compete with him?

>>52163540
>using only released books and not glorified house rules is the sign of being a shitty GM now
loving every laugh

>>52163320
They were invented after the arrival and adoption of gunpowder in Europe, yes.

More importantly, cloak and sword is a much more compelling style than, what, robin hood? the !not-Fellowship? Most of D&D is already based around anachronistically having early modern mentalities in a pseudo-medieval package.

>>52163541
You don't get to speak for him you fucking mongrel. Megaanon will do whatever the fuck he wants.
>>52163569
>glorified house rules
>content that is going into the PHB 2

>Can finally create my water bender
>It's a fucking mystic and not a monk

of course

>>52163466
>wasting a first level spell slot on single target healing when you could just channel divinity to bring anywhere from 1 to 5x your cleric level number of NPCs/Party members back from the brink of death
>wasting a spell slot when you could just be a circle of dreams druid and heal someone with a bonus action, again, going from the brink of death to totally okay fighting.

>>52163537
Wrong: healing is super powerful because you can heal from 0 HP, and the best healers for this are the healer classes, because they tend to get features that let them heal without using spell slots, or do extra whilst healing.

>>52163522
I've been threatening my table with turning to 3.5e if Wizards doesn't step up their 5e shit.

I'm a bad DM.

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>pg.9: Psionic disciplines are magical and function similarly to spells.
>Concentrating on a discipline follows the same
rules as concentrating on a spell. This rule means you can’t concentrate on a spell and a discipline
>Psionics and spells are separate effects, and therefore their benefits and drawbacks overlap. A psionic effect that reproduces a spell is an exception to this rule.

Fuck yes, they finally ditched that shitty "psionics isn't magic!" bullshit. Having two parallel systems that barely overlapped was a pain in the ass and horribly unbalanced.

But now there's no rules for psi points to spell level conversions for dispel magic or counterspell, which is a huge oversight. At least an antiimagic field should work.

>>52163540
>implying DMs should have to build around random multiclass builds using unofficial content which says "this isn't for multiclassing"

>>52163589
Wizards hates the monk because they aren't casters.

>>52163569
>Glorified House Rules
>Officially published and licensed WotC products don't count as official because they aren't made in paper!
It's okay, anon, I'm sure you're taken care of at the retard program in your local High School. Glad they let you GM with the other program kids now!

>>52163569
using both is a sign of being a good GM. Banning content because you're too lazy to try and incorporate it is a sign of being a bad GM.
Do you spit in your players faces when they wanna homebrew a race too?

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>>52163522
>I'm too incompetent to let my players make the characters they want and have fun

>implying DMs even have to fucking allow UA to begin with
UA are playtest materials you retarded charop board stragglers

>>52163070
Wouldn't mind seein' more of that Kobold Mom.

>>52163598
What the fuck are you even talking about? This is basically the same thing.
>psionics isn't magic
>but effects that stop psionics stop magic and vice-versa
Mechanically it was functionally the same.

>>52163584
Once its in PHB2 then it is actually certified rules and has been properly playtested. Right now its just playtest bullshit that is unbalanced and likely going to be changed. I'll keep my games free of playtest material until its actually has been balanced and they do their fucking job.

>>52163617
>>52163619
>>52163624
Thank you for the (you)s that's all I wanted from that post.

>>52163617
UA are not "officially published and licensed products", they're not products at all, and they're definitely not fucking official, dimwit

>>52163592
>healing is super powerful because you can heal from 0 HP

Like I said.

>and the best healers for this are the healer classes

Arcana cleric > Life cleric. See: Spellbreaker. Not to mention using a CD to remove a foe from the fight for 20 rounds will generally be better damage prevention.

is there any reason for Inertial Armor (aka Mage Armor) to give 14+dex other than power creep

>>52163617
>material that says TESTING TESTING NOT FOR OFFICIAL PLAY USE AT YOUR OWN RISK, or something that effect is the same as "officially published and licensed wotc products"

okay.

>>52163627
and if nobody playtests them, because no DM will allow them, then we won't ever have new content. And if we don't get new content then we'll get the same rehashed shit over and over, and D&D will become boring and die. Let your players have fun, be a better DM, everyone will have more fun that way.

>>52163598
>Fuck yes, they finally ditched that shitty "psionics isn't magic!" bullshit.

Psionics have been magic since AD&D 2.5, and for the entirety of 3.0, 3.5, 4e and 5e.

>>52163627
I feel like I'm going crazy because of theses threads, we're now pretending that UA is playtested.

This is Paizo all over again, remember all those untested archetypes? that's where we're heading.

>>52163667
>>52163634
this

you're an idiot >>52163598
did you even know anything psions before you walked in here and tried to hop on the shittalking bandwagon

>>52163592
Channel divinity eats up an action. Since healing is outpaced by damage you're now a step behind the encounter. It's only slightly better than casting cure wounds, and inferior to casting healing word

>>52163646
Mystic is d8, it's the Wu Jen way to give medium armor

>>52163616

Monk was a shit class in 1e. It's always been MAD as fuck as a weird-ass grab-bag of abilities that they threw together after watching too many bad 70s Martial Arts shows and movies.

I have absolutely no problem with Mystic killing the Monk and taking it's stuff.

Hell the Mystic is way more Wuxia than the Monk could ever hope to be.

>>52163616
>trying to engender pity for the spellcaster monks because they aren't casters
>despite that the bender monks are clearly noted as casters
>despite that the noncaster monks are great

>>52163682
>100 people dying due to dragonfire around me
>channel divinity as a level 20 cleric to bring them up
>they all take their action, and arrow the dragon to death due to bounded accuracy
>later, one of them, some pissant peasant who will never be a glorious adventurer like myself comes up to me and says that I used my action inefficiently.
>he's at one HP
>backhand him and leave him bleeding out on the ground again

>>52163676
Yeah except it's 100% clear that they're not AL legal.

>1d4chan already edited the assplosion page
good job senpai

>>52163676

Honestly if/when the mystic is released as a class in a splatbook it's liable to get gimped to a certain degree but for the most part the mystic doesn't seem to be that bad although some of the disciplines are certainly poorly written as to how the effects work

>>52163721
Alright, now please be honest. How often does this really come up?

One thing I do like about the Mystic is it's dispelling the notion that taunts are impossible in the DnD framework. For some reason autists really hate taunts, and the mystic is shitting all over that.

So Psionic Blast just straight up deals damage, no roll or save? That's kind of OP

>>52163739
If you're playing a life cleric, why wouldn't you bring along a flock of loyal peasants that you're virtually guaranteed to keep alive? That's like playing a necromancy wizard and refusing to summon zombies.

>>52163688
>potential for 19 base AC with no stealth disadvantage on a dex user
>higher than full plate
>medium armor equivalent
ok

>>52163751

Autists hate the idea that abilities can be used in a way that makes their PC act in a uncontrolled manner.

Part of it is due to dickass DMs being dickasses but some of it is control issues.

>>52162330
But monks need WIS DEX and CON as well

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So Soul Knife's don't get any Disciplines, so what do I do with them besides stab people and occasionally buff my blades?

>>52163771

Because you have to feed peasants and they suck balls

>>52163721
>My low level party of 4 is in a deadly encounter against 2 Lizardfolk and 1 Lizardfolk Shaman
>On the brink, 1 guy down, the rest about to go down. Better use that channel divinity instead of healing word and attack which could bring down one of the lizardfolk
>Lizardfolk's turn and they smack down the party and we're at square -1 because the lizardfolk that could've been dead is still up

>>52163765
It's like a single target Magic Missile, with a slightly worse damage type.

>>52163803
Take immortal disciplines I guess.

>>52163803
You can learn 1 discipline still as a Soul Knife. Choose wisely.

>>52163734
you're welcome

About to read mystic right now
It seems they didn't get rid of immortals (though I still need to read if they're good or not). What's the consensu on the whole mystic, /5eg/?

>>52163813
Not that guy. But yeah, in that situation, and in most situations, healing word is the shit.

I say save that channel divinity for when 2 or more people are down or in between rests for optimal usage.

If you're battle cleric-ing right, gotta have that spiritual weapon up anyway. You can channel divinity and bonus action attack.

>>52163803

Take Immortal disciplines and some decent talents.

But honestly soulknife is pure lazymode mystic why not just go full immortal instead.

>>52163751
Paladins already have a taunt though

>>52163563
Yeah, if they give it out free with books I might do it, but I am not paying a subscription fee for this shit at this point.

>>52163862
The best thing to happen in this edition

>>52163807
>feed peasants
Either multiclass as a druid for goodberry, take magic initiate druid, or just buy the food with that sweet adventuring money. Or have a druid in the party.

>peasants suck balls
Not thanks to bounded accuracy! 20 peasants can kill most things in DnD now. In fact, by taking 20 peasants with you in a fight and keeping them alive, you're staying ahead on the action economy by about 20 turns!

>>52163813
>implying you can't learn healing word as a life cleric and use it when appropriate

>>52163862
I haven't looked too indepth, but after a superficial reading of the archetypes and disciplines, seems pretty fun but also very powerful if played optimally.

Some things should be scaled back, I think.

>>52163803
Well, at first level you get 1 discipline but no bonus disciplines. You still can learn disciplines as you gain levels?

>>52163807
let them starve. if they get close to death, heal them.

>>52163863

In general combat healing is definitely suboptimal but lets be honest clerics aren't always in melee range for bashing and pew-pewing with sacred flame or a crossbow is sometimes kinda meh.

On those turns sometimes healing/buffing an ally is a decent use of your action especially if you are trying to maintain decent positioning.

>>52163545
>random youtube guy
Yeah, totally not you.

>>52163330
I was with you until
>I'm the DM
What a fucking autistic thing to say, jesus christ. You and your friends are all stupid and selfish, it's unbelievable.