Why does barely anybody care about the lore/storyline behind

>>52152069
Because it's so badly written.

Yes. The lore and art is meaningless in that game.

>>52152069
It used to be pretty good, but it was hard to access.

Now it's awful, and it's shoved down our throats.

Wizards can't win BECAUSE THEY'RE BAD AT THEIR FUCKING JOB REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52152069
this
>>52152077

even the story campaigns in magic duels are boring as hell

To be absolutely honest, I used to care, until SJW amateurs started to write it.

I don't think it's really that poor (and I understand but ultimately disagree with most of the vitriolic reactions to it), but ultimately the writing is an accessory and a slave to the card game. It can't ever become a masterpiece.

Related rant: this previous arc on Kaladesh/Aether Revolt was actually acceptable but it's like Wizards issued a directive for Nissa and Chandra to be written as poorly as possible whenever they got screen time. Like, the plane was good, the characters in the plane was good, Jace and Liliana and even Gideon were pretty on their game but those two autistic lesbian idiots ruined every scene they were in except when Nissa was conversing with that based Aetherborne bitch Yahenni. Aetherborne basically saved this story.

>>52152069
I love mtg lore. Especially ravnica, kamigawa and some of the one with no death where that empty person kills akroma and she becomes death.

>>52152069
Because it stopped being good when it became the saturday morning cartoon adventures of nu-walkers and the social justice morals they can teach your kids.

Last time we had a decent block in terms of story was Scars of Mirrodin.

There's been ~50 burn spells printed since Battle for Zendikar. ~1/4 have have "Chandra's" in the name.

>>52152176
>Aetherborne basically saved this story.

t. Tumblr

>>52152211
They're running out of fire words anon. Unless you want to start mashing them together so you get "Flaming Scorching Flame Blast" or "Volcanic Blazing Hellfire" or "Erupting Burning Finger" and red magic loses all coherency entirely.

>>52152239
>and red magic loses all coherency entirely.

I mean... that would be in theme, right?

>>52152239
>Erupting Burning Finger

What I'd give for a G Gundam reference in magic...they fucking blew Khans! Instead of actual cool martial arts themes they literally made the story autistic.

>>52152221
That the worst part about modern day fiction. This wasn't supposed to be something we throw rocks at, but tumblr came in all masturbatory and circle jerking in perfect goose step to crack down on the fun we're allowed to have, and now I can't enjoy what might be one of the most interesting races in Magic so far without being associated with those fuckers.

This is what happens when we let girls into our secret boys clubhouse.

Weatherlight Saga was the only story worth following.
The characters weren't shit, the cards tied in very well with the story. The heroes really felt out classed in a genuine way. The villain's motivation was clear.
It was a great time to play magic.

>>52152272
The characters were shit and you only have forgotten that after twenty years because you read it when you were a child
It was wannabe fantasy Star Trek with shallow fucking quips every two paragraphs because 3/4ths of the cast was smarmy cunts acting smarmy

>This is what happens when we let autists into our secret nerdy alcoves.

FTFY

>>52152266
>rightfully blames all women for being incompetent and literally ruining everything

i'm sorry i called you tumblr-grade, brother

>>52152176
>two autistic lesbian idiots
Wait what did I miss?

>>52152272
weatherlight had so much plot armor on the gang that it felt like jojo's bizarre adventure

i still enjoy both though

>>52152239
All they have to do is give them the name of something fire related on the plane. It acts as world building. Take Pillar of Flame from Avacyn Restored. From the name and what the spell does we get the picture that some people on Innistrad cremate the fuck out of corpses so they can't come back as zombies. Or Brimstone Volley from Innistrad. It's people using balls of flaming brimstone as a weapon, and with morbid it's like they're pissed as fuck when they do it because their friend or something just got eaten by a zombie so now they REALLY want to burn them. Cards are a great way to build your world, but Wizards stopped caring when they switched to 2 set blocks. Now blocks are like areas at a theme park. You go to one, go on a ride or two, then get ushered to the next one. There's no point trying to take in the sights because there aren't any sights to take in because there's no reason for them to be there when people are just being rushed through.

Worldbuilding since the Avengers has been fucking awful. Zendikar is this huge sprawling world, but instead we just get the Avengers shoved down our throats.

>>52152313
Market research says players like it when thy can associate their cards with their favorite characters in the story : ^ )

>>52152209
(((Rosewater)))

>>52152313
I don't think the two-set blocks is the problem. I think you nailed the crux of the problem with all the focus being on the Avengers bullshit, though.

>>52152069
Currently oversaturated, bland, multiverse based kitchen sink setting. Still, this basis provides for some really cool artwork and small stories that are great when divorced from the primary storyline.

>>52152334
There is no market research and there never was. I've been playing cardboard since Avacyn Restored and I've never once seen a survey about this. Nobody at my LGS has a favourite character beyond the first one they ever pulled in a pack, and even then it's a nothing to them.

>>52152339
There's really nothing wrong with having a strong central cast, though. The story doesn't suffer for it. It's a different paradigm rather than a worse one, planes become setpieces rather than environments, but that's not actually a negative design philosophy to hold. On the converse side plenty of players gave no shits about planes whatsoever, because once the story moved to another plane, you can't expect to see a native of that plane again for several years at best. You can't have consistent protagonists or villains, and so while some players love the larger universe that focusing on planes brought, plenty of players found the set dressing to be bland and transient.

Fundamentally one's not really better than the other.

>>52152290
Squee
Mishra
Teferi
Baron
Mirri
All had more character to them than the damn Walkers we keep seeing. There's nothing wrong with simple as long as it's also good.

>>52152359
it was a joke, that's literally what Nosewater and all the public representatives say when they give answers

>>52152370
Magic is not supposed to be about a "strong central cast", almost no one actually likes these fucking Planeswalkers, they're more interested in the worlds.

>>52152372
>Squee
Literally a joke character
>Mishra
He wasn't part of the weatherlight saga, he was only alive for a single book, and his entire personality was "jealous of Urza"
>Teferi
Smarmy cunt
>Baron
I'm assuming you mean Barrin and not Baron Sengir, but Barrin was pretty much only there to observe and blow up Tolaria that one time.
>Mirri
Yeah, she and Sisay weren't that bad. Not much competition for them, though.

they neo-walker stories all suck because MTG lost it's high fantasy feel. Sure old sets didn't concentrate on one plane but in ha way they made the world bigger. Dominaria seems so vast that you can't possibly imagine the whole fucking plane because it's literally earth 2.0. Every other set starting from mirrodin just turned planes = countries. It narrowed down the scale so hard that you couldn't get engrossed in the flavor anymore (although the flavor/storyline was pretty good around to until RTR/Threros). Ravnica is literally City: the Plane. Good thing original Rav had a fucking good story else it would've been trash.

Now they've just dumbed it down for easier mass consumption. It's pretty bad because the actual game is now shit with regard to standard. If flavor can't even make up for it anymore then why play magic.

>>52152393
Your generalization needs some data to back it up.
I know I don't give the single slightest fuck about Kamigawa or Mirrodin. Only thing I like about Ravnica is the guilds, I can't remember the name of a single person other than Niv-Mizzet. Theros may as well not exist.

>>52152313
this guy gets it

>>52152406
This, this is a good post.

>>52152404
teferi turned goat in time spiral though

but honestly i think he's bad cause he's black
also
>impying barrin's mightstone isn't deeper than any of the neowalkers' personalities

>>52152069
Because it has great ideas that end being shit. It's so disappointing what they do every time that I don't even care anymore

>>52152425
>doesn't care about Mirrodin
No taste.

>>52152432
Time Spiral was a good while after the Weatherlight Saga, anon.
Barrin was likeable, but only because he was a level-headed straight man while Urza was being a lunatic. Barrin was not interesting on his own, he was a foil. A good foil has its merits, though.

>>52152449
I liked that Barrin had real emotions especially when he lost his shit and blew up Tolaria after his family died cause Urza is a god damned lunatic.

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>>52152406
>It's pretty bad because the actual game is now shit with regard to standard.
No, you see, we will just ban things until they are perfect

I liked the understated lore of the early sets and the Weatherlight Saga, but it kinda started going downhill after that with the only real highlight since was Ravnica.

>>52152466
But Chandra has emotions too! Haven't you seen Chandra's Pyrohelix? She was REAL mad at Baral!

>>52152567
>REAL mad
>2 damage

i missed out on that one

>>52152069

The focus on the Jacetice League honestly hurts the story plenty. It's so obvious they are here to be the face for a MtG movie that it's painful. Especially when the setting lends itself so much better to a series.

>>52153133

>movie

HAH

Tell me about "old" Magic lore, /tg/

You grogs always talk about it but never about WHY it was supposedly much better. It's always stuff like >oh the newwalkers are so lame or >it was much better back in Weatherlight

>>52153229

Nu mtg = snowflake fan fiction tier
Old mtg = mediocre high fantasy

>>52153167
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/95397446143/can-we-get-a-review-of-all-known-info-on-the-magic

>>52153367
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/95397446143/can-we-get-a-review-of-all-known-info-on-the-magic

>GoT writer
>Chandra gets raped after having her powers temporarily removed and one hand cut off

>>52152069
>Why does barely anybody care about the lore/storyline behind Magic?

Because A) it sucks and B) it's not necessary to play the game.

In order to play well, you need to study the card's abilities and how they interact, not some cringeworthy back story.

>>52152069
its cause its corny as hell and boring
never have i ever played magic and said "man i really wish i could read a novel about the lore behind these cards"

>>52153363
I miss the snowflake walkers /tg/ made

>>52153229
Most of it was pretty mediocre, but bits and pieces were interesting chunks of world building. There were a few sets with nice explorations of an African inspired fantasy culture, but without it feeling forced. The shit Urza pulled, even before becoming a planeswalker, was a nice exploration of ends justify the means in a high magic setting. Also, while some of the phyrexians definitely lacked substance, Yawgmoth felt like a legitimate threat - more so than the eldrazi ever did. I think a major part of how that was pulled off was through his pervasive presence as the villain behind each villain, and the fact that they never gave him a card.

>>52152406
I thought that Khans did a good job of presenting a wider world.

I used to read the novels that came out with every set, then the books stopped being packaged in fat packs

>>52153133
I more find that the Gatewatch stories don't turn out too badly when it's just some of them around at a time. If it's just one or two, sometimes three of them? Things actually more or less work.

Drop all five on the one plane and in the one story? Quality takes a nosedive.

>>52153801
found khans pretty mediocre, the new trend seems to be 1 area for each faction/color per plane.

They could've executed it better but just i really wish they did more with the non-dragon, non-human races besides cameos. Sidisi and zurgo were great, zurgo could've been better though

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>>52152290
Characters were mostly flat, but they weren't shit, they were just firmly mediocre, with the rare guy who was actually interesting like Urza. Story had stakes and the action was swashbuckly enough to be enjoyable.

>>52152312
Of the main ten(ish?) crewmen like three or four fuckers lived, and that's not even tallying up the death count of supporting characters outside of the Weatherlight's crew.

>>52152313
The Jacetice League ruined it all. Nothing has stakes, the worldbuilding has been neglected in favor of character-driven stories, but none of the characters are worth following. The diet SJW shit is really a secondary complaint for me at this point because it's all just so poorly written in general, though I'm not naive enough to think one isn't directly related to the other. It's amazing just how much I've retroactively come to like the Weatherlight storyline because I've had to hold it up to the last 5 or so years of bouncing from plane to plane on the backs of whiny children interested in interceding in local issues that don't concern them. It'd be kind of meta if it weren't so cringey.

>>52153735
Lore was at its best during times like Fallen Empires when everything was a mystery and they really tried to take advantage of the format, focusing more on building a world than telling a story. Really gave it all a feeling of wonder, only knowing who Urza and Mishra were through scattered pieces of flavor text.

>>52152069
You're a bit misguided. People shouldn't care about it because it's mostly garbage but with an occasional diamond. And by occasional, I mean there are maybe four or five things worth reading.
People do care about it these days because they want to use it as a vehicle for their current objections with the game, grounded or ungrounded as they may be.

>>52155617
>Nothing has stakes
This is the worst part for me.


>Mindbending horrors from beyond space and time are destroying everything you know and love?
>Better strap on your shield and fight one last time in a vain attempt to save everything you've ever known and loved.
>Oh wait, never mind. The Dimension hopping wizards are here to fix everything and sell breakfast cereal.

>>52155617
Lots of people died in JJBA too mein nigga, karn is parctically jojo

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>>52152313
People on Innistrad don't burn corpses. It's heresy. Interfering with the corpse angers the geist, burning it produces really angry ghosts and in general prevents the slain from reaching the Blessed Sleep.

>>52155753
what's worse is people actually did die but they tell it in such an uninteresting way that you aren't even bothered to care cus of muh spotligh on le jace tease legume xD

>>52155776
It's a sort of damed if you do, damned if you don't setting.
>Don't bury the dead
>Get angry ghosts
>Do bury the dead
>They're probably going to come back as zombies.
Thinking maybe that cannibal village had the right idea.

>>52155835
Well they can't raise the dead if the Avacynian wards are maintained and the Cathar's do their jobs. Shame that Avacyn is dead and corpses probably outnumber the living 100000000000000:1 now.

>>52155753
Anybody who legitimately thought the Eldrazi were going to completely destroy Zendikar is a fucking retard.

>>52155847
t-thanks gatewatch

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>>52155861
>protagonists collpased planes on purpose in the old testament
>mfw now protagonists are being autistic lesbians

>>52155861
No.
But I would have like some more drama, then just having the good guys show up and fix everything.
And they've done it on two planes so far.

>>52152302
Sexual tension so thick it stars in an ebony BBW porno.

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>>52155753
The motherfucking gothic horror-turned-cosmic horror plane didn't claim a main character. I'm pretty sure Gerrard's love interest died to fucking consumption or some shit.

>>52155773
You right my nigga I apologize.

>>52155911
Get hype because that's all your going to get. The closest thing you'll get to drama is Gideon microaggressing someone and then apologizing profusely. This isn't even a problem unique to Magic, this is just typical capeshit. Gotta keep 'em coming to sell the next issue, and if things happen and it becomes less accessible like the game admittedly did around Time Spiral (like I fucking liked it) sales go down. Remind yourself that we will never see Kamigawa again because it was mechanically mediocre and retards didn't get the fluff because they tried too hard to avoid it being a theme park setting.

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>>52152069
>Play mono-white Angel tribal, use Avacyn in most of my decks
>Oh shit, they're going back to innistrad, my favorite plane, angel HQ! Not to mention kick ass gothic atmosphere!
>Thank god, I was getting so fucking tired of Eldrazi!

>Mfw they reintroduce the Eldrazi RIGHT AFTER ZENDIKAR, kill off every single Angel aside from one, corrupt two of them into Eldrazi, corrupts Avacyn into a psychoath that has to be put down by Sorin, corrupts Mono-white Nahiri into a psycho bitch who walks away free, kills off 95% of the population, completely retcons the entire last set, retcons Werewolves back into existence despite Wolfirs being a thing, and ruins the whole setting overall.
>Than they have the audacity to release a Innistrad book for DnD right afterwords.
>Ima'kul, Youra'kul, Me'merakul

Fuck wizards, Im still salty after that shit.

Not to mention the fact that Innistrad on a whole is utterly fucked now, and the Justice league just says "good luck" and skips out to a Science fair for fuck all reasons, leaving the now angel-less and churchless people to the mercy of some random Werewolf bitch, and a plane full of Vampires, mad scientists, zombies, demons, devils, and now Eldrazi.

Oh, and now thats ANOTHER Mono-white character that gets fucked over.

Fuck you WotC.

>>52156261
>Not to mention the fact that Innistrad on a whole is utterly fucked now, and the Justice league just says "good luck" and skips out to a Science fair for fuck all reasons,

I mean, technically the JACETICE LEAGUE is there to stop planar destroying things ie eldrazi. After that, they're off. At least, that's the gist of what I got. I stopped caring about the lore after the whole "planeswalkers are just wizards who can hop planes instead of demigods now"

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>>52156261
It's okay friend. We can be angry together.

>>52156261
You are in a MASSIVE minority on the side of disliking the retcon on Wolfir I'd wager. I know no one who preferred Wolfir to Werewolves, and Wizards and Maro are on record saying they got big backlash for replacing them and removing transform in general.

Also, the church is still intact, just the center of worship is now Sigarda, the only angel who remained loyal to the humans. I don't think they explained how or if it affected their faith magic though. I thought Avacyn was what gave their faith power, but maybe it's more like they just need a focal point, and Avacyn's disappearance just made people lose faith which weakened their magic, but as long as they have something to put their faith in, the Sigardian church's magic still has power.

The reason we had Eldrazi again was because this was a direct continuation of the BFZ block story. Think of it like Lorwyn -> Shadowmoor more than how they did it before, where block stories where wholly seperated. To me, it's like complaining they did Elves again on Shadowmoor even though it's a new block. BFZ block really soured people on Eldrazi. I recall most people LOVING them before then. I get he idea of having too much of a good thing, but man we had about an old 3-set block's worth (BFZ large, OGW small, EMN small) of Eldrazi, so I don't think it should be too much yet.

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>>52156557
It's also possible that Avacyn always sorta kinda existed as like some kind of passive entity. We see in cards like Faith Unbroken that you can still get power from her, so something is up there. Either Avacyn has gone back to just being white mana similar to how there are old sea god on Innistrad that give power to worshippers but don't have forms or he couldn't unmake her fully any more, so 'Avacyn' as a entity doesn't exist but her passive faith based powers still do.

One of the biggest issues is that they went to far in AVR with things like Wolfir meaning that they had to fuck Avacyn up in order to make it look like Innistrad did the first time around.

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>>52156693
Alternatively, Sigarda is the new head boss bird.

>>52156261
Holy crap, you're still butthurt about that?
You're not still making threads about it, are you?
Nothing will ever change the fact that the heavy angel focus is part of why AVR sucked and ruined Innistrad block.

>>52156754
Unfortunately Sigarda is 10 leagues beneath Avacyn in terms of power, if she couldn't hold off the evil when all her sisters and flights were alive, what hope does she have now?

>>52156693
Reminder that the "old sea god" was purely an echo of the eldrazi.

>>52156798
An echo of the Eldrazi that has existed for at least as long as the vampires? That doesn't sound right.

>>52156788
It's purely conjecture, since we have no idea how any of this works, but perhaps with worship slowly turning to Sigarda instead, she starts gaining much of the former power-through-belief which Avacyn held, without having to share it with her sisters.

She may not end up being as powerful as Avacyn was, since gothtits had the added boost from being created by an oldwalker, but her lack of retarded programming may make up the difference.

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>>52156840
But gothtits is best angel.

>>52152069
The World building is still on point, but their writing and lore has not been that great. I thinks it's more a case of that its nice that it exists, but its just not a draw on its own.

>>52156798
I haven't read the art book, but the old sea god the Nephalian cultists and Stromkirk vampires worship is now named (I forget what it is) and is far as I know unrelated to the Eldrazi.

>>52156837
>>52156962
Oh shit my B senpai, I was thinking Ula, Emeria and Cosi from zendikar.

http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Emeria
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Cosi
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Ula

>>52156773
Of course I don't
Instead, I have internalized my hate, as a reminder to never give another cent to WotC. I have not bought a single card, booster, or any other product from WotC to this day, nor do I ever intend to do so again.

But fuck you, Angels were great in AVR. But unike SoI, even if you hated how it ended, at least there was a balance between good and evil. Avacyn was released, at the cost of the demons of the Helvault going free.

SoI and EM just fucked everything over.

>>52156557
I will agree that the Wolfir thing was a step too far. But retconning the Wolfir entirely, and than forcefeeding us the Werewolves as some sort of alternative to the angels was dumb. They could have just said that the Wolfir, without Avacyn, were degenerating. Or that Avacyn was purposefully removing the spell, so as to help purge the peoples of Innistrad.

Sigarda though, is just not that powerful, as >>52156788 put it. Although, I would accept the idea that via the faith of the people, Sigarda COULD be that strong, or even stronger than Avacyn, as she is the lone angel to pay tribute to now. Making her the actual last Angel does piss me off though.

But I will straight up disagree with you on the Eldrazi. There was absolutely no reason to introduce the Eldrazi RIGHT after giving them plenty of new cards in BFZ and OGW. But more importantly, it felt like a wasted oppertunity to just straight up have the last free Eldrazi titan get captured RIGHT after it escapes, and the other two die. Further more, it just hurts the plane of Innistrad conceptually, as it dilutes the Gothic horror of it into some bland mish mash of Eldrazi.

>>52157116
Eh, Wolfir do still exist if your issue is that you don't like that they were there and now they were gone. They actually DID say that the Wolfir reverted because Avacyn had gone mad and couldn't maintain the cursemute (I forget where, but I'm 99% certain they said it, and I know for sure it was implied in one of the earlier stories where the man kills his family but he doesn't know that it was him, because he thought the cursemute cured him of his lycanthropy, but he realizes that he's turned back), and there are still SOME Wolfir (though I think the only example in the block was Silverfur Partisan-- I'd bet there's more explanation on this in the artbook) for some reason.

And to be fair, it wasn't RIGHT after OGW. It wasn't until EMN that we had Eldrazi again even though we know it was Emrakul the whole time anyway, and there were less there as well. But if they wanted to continue and conclude that storyline, they had to do it in the next block. That's just how a serialized storyline works. I can understand if you like how they did it before where the stories were sort of chopped up and left on cliffhangers to come back to, but I also don't think it was incorrect for them to immediately give us more Eldrazi if it was the correct thing to do story progression-wise.

Also, they've said that Innistrad as a plane is really hard to limit purely to Gothic horror, and I can see that. They already played up almost all the most resonant old-school horror tropes in the first block. What else could they do, and could they make another whole block out of what's left? What about the next time they went to Innistrad? So they decided that Innistrad would just encompass all horror, and decided to lean hard on Lovecraft tropes this time.

>>52152393

Urza was a Planeswalker and he was the closest thing Magic had to a protagonist/poster boy for a long while. There were cards where they jerked off Freyalise and Teferi. Off the top of my head the early Magic comics and video game(s) where all about Planeswalkers.

Planeswalkers kind of got out of the spotlight for the Weatherlight crew and then after Invasion I don't think they really took center stage again until Time Spiral. Though Kharn did become a Planeswalker and so you could argue that he had a role in Odyssey, Onslaught, and Mirrodin. Not to mention Time Spiral revealed that all the weird shit happening on Mirrodin, Kamigawa, and Ravnica was the multiverse suffering from Planeswalker abuse.

Suppose one of the things that possibly made the original Planeswalker's fun is that in some ways you supposedly weren't supposed to relate to them, the majority were assholes and Planeswalkers got triggered if they came across one another.

I understand where people come from when they say they didn't like the angel focus in AVR. The issue is that SOI was the other extreme, they could have done what they did to angels on Zendikar and had them getting murdered en masse by Eldrazi as they try in vain to protect the plane. To make the angels evil then kill them all doesn't just go back on AVR it reverses it to the other extreme which is no better.

>>52157319
Wizards just likes to corrupt angels. What better thing to corrupt then the purest of all beings?

>>52152406
It's even worse with Kaladesh, because we don't even see the rest of the country-plane.
It should've been Ghirapur: City of Invention, because the rest of Kaladesh might as well not exist as far as the entire block is concerned.

>>52157319
>>52157333
Also, more seriously, they did the "Avacyn goes crazy" thing for a number of reasons, and mayeb more that aren't obvious or they haven't said outright. Since the set played up cosmic horror and specifically Lovecraft themes, going mad is kind of a huge trope for that. It also meant that it made a mystery that had to be solved (why did Avaycn go mad?) which is also pretty Lovecraft (Jace filling the role of the Lovecraftian protagonist here), on top of giving them an en excuse and way to go back to pre-AVR Innistrad.

It's also a pretty shitty thing for Innistrad's protectors to not just be getting killed, but for them to outright turn on the humans who are now forced to kill their divinities. It just emphasizes how shitty of a place Innistrad is.

>>52152069
We used to have weekly threads every Wednesday (when the new story went up) about Magic's lore, up until...somewhere in SoI block, where it became more sporadic.
It stopped entirely sometime around Kaladesh.

>>52157440
From what I saw that's because it got upended and taken over by the snowflake thread.

>>52152272
>the cards tied in very well with the story

Oh fuck you. They fucking did not. I don't want to play "Gerrard's Verdict" just as much as I don't want to play "Chandra's Fire Thing" in a deck. I hate seeing these characters I don't care about in cards just as much with the old fucks like Squee. Thank goodness there are comparable alternatives to Vindicate now. Because of the shitty old story, that card doesn't make any sense unless you know what it's showing.

>>52157463
That's backwards. The original OP stopped making threads so it became part of the snowflake thread.

>>52157463
Those shits had been running for a while before that and most of them knew shit-all about the lore anyways. To the point where trying to explain the lore was outright ignored by a good chunk of them.
Because 'this can't happen except under extreme circumstances' obviously means 'let's make fifty of it'

>>52156261
>>52157116
>Wolfir retcon.
Nothing about them was retconned. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Wolfir show up in Shadows block. The Cursemute was a voluntary process. Werewolves still existed after the Cursemute, they were just easy to miss because they didn't get any cards in Avacyn Restored.

>>52152077
I stopped caring when the main character of one story got turned into the leader of the nazi zombies off screen because of mcguffin and the best character in the series got killed offscreen.

It kinda invalidated the last 20 pages of the last book so fuck it.

Did like the argus kol trilogy.

>>52157648
You say that like they got that many cards in AVR in the first place

>>52156557
Wolfir are gay as hell, but retcons are gayer. Still, I was under the impression they justified it with "Avacyn went crazy so the Cursemute's no longer a thing."

As for the Eldrazi, they're trash. They've always been trash. I know I'm in the minority here, but I never gave a fuck about Zendikar or the Eldrazi. The former I can't quite qualify why, something about it just rubs me the wrong way, the latter because they're boring as fuck.

>>52153229
To me old is still "Original mirridion" block and the like but it still has appeal.

I enjoyed watching Umezawa struggle to survive in a world that mostly hates him and the few times he does the right thing are all the more meaningful for their rarity.

He just wants to live.

I also liked when Hidegetsu chased after his demon god for being a pussy and eventually killed and became it.

The Ravnica settiing was also don as a set of detective novels because they chose the Boros as the main character.

>>52152069
There's a storyline?

>>52153801
I loathed khans on principle of turning my hopes of a wedge set to a set of monoclors that eventually turned into a watered down hick ravnica.

>>52152128
This is probably the answer. I think the mtg lore is good for a card game, far better than anything else, but its goal is not good lore, its making the cards look and feel nice.

>>52157383
I didn't mind the corruption but I'd have liked some counter to it.

I'd also have liked a different reason then Emerakul, I was hoping for a new phryxia or old zendikar deal on Emrakul where the dude just vanishes for a few years and shows up at a awful time, possibly as key to some fuckers plan, not a "Where could he be? Oh wait there he is?".

My hope coming into innistrad was that, faced with these dire threats and Avacyn's fall, Sigurda takes desperate measure and revives her sister that Avacyn killed for Daemon pact, now humanity is protected not only by the angel of nature but by a decaying vulture angel and her black flight.

These rotting guardians protect humanity by teaching them the tricks of necromancy, townships lead by dark pastors who negotiate with vile demons to protect them against the false vampire aristocracy.

A sortof "Shits gone south, but people will live, and thats all you can hope for" kinda deal.

I want to stick it in Akroma's pooper

I like to think that they have something really big they are working toward.
Like, they build up the gaytewatch to being strong as fuck, albeit at the expense of diluting the impact of several genuinely good story lines with cringy bullshit so that when Bolas whoops their asses it is all the more impactful, and more importantly satisfying. That's why im holding off on criticisms until i see the whole arc.
Probably overestimating WotC tho

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>>52158255
don't we all :^)

Stopped caring about the lore once Nuwalkers came out. They fucked up everything.

>>52153724
Me too, but I sure as hell don't miss the threads. Buncha horny memesters.

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>>52158579
Yeah, they got pretty cancerous towards the end.

>>52158255
Akroma has a jaguar for a pooper.
An entire jaguar.
You do know that, right?

>>52158761
>towards the end
The only time snowflakery wasn't cancerous was when it was done solely to keep a certain shit away, and even that was debatable. The moment that stopped working, it was straight cancer.

>>52158761

I won't deny I wanted to make a Snowflake myself. A WR Blacksmith who visits different planes to learn their blacksmithing techniques and magic, and also goes to places to teach blacksmithing to empower factions and tribes that need it. But I took way too long to do it and everything became extra incestuous and that was that.

So a lore question I was wondering , what would happen if Emrakul shifted to a plane that wasn't Innistrad like Ravnica or Theros?

>>52156261
Waifufag BTFO, I do agree with you though

>>52158871
As a note, despite writing this, I can't say it wasn't amusing cancer at times, but once that fucker who made nothing but sues and insisted everything worked like his decks showed up it was terminal
>>52158903
Probably just fuck off after accidentally mutating a huge proportion of the populace, likely leaving a HUGE imprint on Theros in particular. That or the same general thing that happened on Innistrad.

>>52158255
You can't, because she has protection from Black.

>>52158903
Izzet League has a field day by using eldrazi scions as experiments

>>52152069
There was hope when Ob Nixilis was written in a fun way and shit stomped Gideon but then they let Nahiri kill Best Walker with her Moon Rage and now it's just a bunch of stupid bullshit

Did tg ever made rpg rules for any plane? I kinda found some idwasbfor ravnica in the archive, but nothing concrete.

>>52159228
eh's not quite dead yet!
Actually, he might be getting better!
He feeeeels ANGRY

>>52152266
this. We should have been gatekeeping harder

>>52152302
nothing of value

>>52152239
>"Erupting Burning Finger"

.... aaaand this is why we remember to use lube first and a soothing unguent afterwards. Every. Fucking. Time.

>>52153400
>Implying that this would be a bad thing
Just kill faildra already

>>52157346
Kalashit in general was a mistake

>>52159228
Ob Nixilis was one of the few redeeming things about the Zendikar block

>>52159461
Honestly had some novel ideas, but they didn't do anything useful with any of them and instead we got the Inventor's Fair and fuckall else, and that's before we even get to the crunch.

>>52159474
He was such a baller in spite of being edgy as fuck, can't wait for him to kill another character and then have it revoked because that might mean consequences or credible threats.

>>52159132
...Would Niv be okay with that? That means there's a chance that the Firemind could become corrupted from that shit

>>52157346
Well we met elves and they had to come from somewhere.

I enjoyed many of the settings (Ravnica, Innistrad, Tarkir were cool, Theros was less interesting), but never the stories. I don't understand why they didn't stick to that, world building and creating an interesting place with interesting asymmetric factions battling it out. It felt like the larger role of the consistent characters really took away from the development of everything else.

>>52152069
It's pretty true among most tabletop games, in my experience. When Warmahordes made its rounds around my area, out of the 12 or so people that were actively into it, I couldn't find a single player outside of myself that gave two shits about the setting.

Really, it seems like Warhammer is the only tabletop community where the lore is a common unifier among the fanbase. There are still people that only play the game for just the game, but more Warhammer players seem to care about the setting relative to other games' player bases. I'm guessing because of how prevalent the novels are.

>>52159629
Actually I think the Dimir might be the most susceptible to mental fuckery.

>>52159768
>Lazav takes place Avacyn's place as going bat shit insane
We truly live in the worst timeline

>>52159672
The parts of Gear a purr that have slightly more trees and shrubberies than the rest of the city, obviously.

>>52155911
>And they've done it on two planes so far.
Three. First they destroyed the titans on Zendikar, then they sealed Emrakul in the moon, now they've successfully pulled off Occupy Kaladesh. I can't wait for Ajani to tip his fedora and destroy the gods of Amonkhet.

>>52159947
Hey now.
At least get one of the very few interesting things about that block right.
It was Emrakul that sealed Emrakul in the moon.

>>52159825
To be honest it would either be him or the Selesnyans to get corrupted first by the Eldrazi.
That whole chorus thing is real right, not just some clever nickname?

>>52158903

Theros gets BTFO

Kamigawa's powerlevel, lore-wise, is so high that emrakul probably won't even enter properly the plane.

Ravnica could probably kill it

>>52159991
I think you mean almost interesting.

>>52160061
I didn't realize there was anything significant about the chorus

>>52159749

Warhammer is like that due to the lore being written into the rules.

Example: Wood Elves have a little bonus to cast spell while in a forest. Skaven (ratmen) have higher morale the more of them are present. Vampire's troops start to crumble if your main wizard dies. Ogre's magic revolves around cooking. Demons are so unstable they randomly mutate each turn

>>52160086
>Ravnica could probably kill it
But who gets to keep the body ?

>>52160149

Return to return to Ravnica: Eldrazi Bogaloo

"As news of the Eldrazi titan reaches the gatewatch, Jace Beleren rushes to his plane, only to discover that the eldritch menace has already been neutralized. Now, all guilds are warring to obtain the body (and eventually, the soul) of the late monstrosity, and it stands to Jace, as the Living Guildpac, to decide it"

>>52159629
ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT THE GREAT FIREMIND HIMSELF IS CAPABLE OF CORRUPTION?

>>52160129
Well don't the Selesnyans claim to be part of a connected hive-mind or world-soul of sorts?
I figure that ~connection~ would be easily corrupted by Emrakul.

>>52160246
Yes. Niv-Mizzet is arrogant(though he does have the power to back it up), I'd imagine he's still suspect to eldrazai fuckery.

>>52160245
>The Selesnya want to let its soul be free
>The Golgari want to turn it into dog food
>The Izzet want to experiment with it
>The Boros want to turn it into a weapon
>The Simic want to recreate it
>The Orzhov want to sell it
>The Azorius want nothing to do with it
>The Gruul want to eat it
>The Dimir want to obtain its power
>The Rakdos want to fuck the corpse

>>52160245
>Return to return to Ravnica: Eldrazi Bogaloo
>"As news of the Eldrazi titan reaches the gatewatch, Jace Beleren rushes to his plane, only to discover that the eldritch menace has already been neutralized. Now, all guilds are warring to obtain the body (and eventually, the soul) of the late monstrosity, and it stands to Jace, as the Living Guildpac, to decide it"
Is it wrong that I want this over Amonkhet?

>>52158903
Well Emrakul is, despite his vast powers, seems mostly to shift things to worship him so he'd probbably cause a shit ton of damage get killed but still there would be a lasting "Crater" where eldrazi worship and spawns still linger.

Not any of the real eldrazi because they are all just lesser incantations of the real deal but the mutated monsters probbably still live their morning the fallen god.

>>52160378
>his
GENDER ASSUMPTION RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52160378
>Well Emrakul is, despite his vast powers,
>his
Anon Emrakul's a woman

>>52160391
>>52160409
If that is the only issue you have with my statement I'll take what I can get.

>>52152069
... there is a story?

But seriously, who gives a shit if there is some story behind the game or not? It's a fucking CCG. Last thing I give a fuck is story for it or some lore.

>>52152069
1. Quality varies a lot.
2. They threw the baby out with the bathwater in Time Spiral

>>52160304
I thin he's chaotic enough that he'd be able to mess up his thoughts and those of his minions to disrupt the Eldrazi control.
I think the Izzet, Golgari and Orzhov would be the hardest guilds to corrupt.

>>52152069
A lore has an begin and middle and the end... And then there's MTG scrabbles

>>52152108
How bad is the SJWism? WoD tier?

Wizards really dropped the ball with the whole worship of Emmy thing. It's like they couldn't decide if the eldrazi were big, kinda smart monsters (zendikar) or lovecraftian elder gods (innistrad).

>>52160697
We'mrakul xD

>>52160546
I thought Izzet suspect to their fuckery. Izzets because they already like fucking with Nature. Eldrazi corruption doesn't seem like a huge leap for them. Or at the very least they try making an Eldrazi weird

has anyone made a pdf of the Kaladesh art book?
and be willing to share?

>>52160706
M'rakul, Hymens Torn

>>52160134
They used to be really autistic about stuff like that, but as the game got more mainstream it's now become something of a novelty when the fluff and crunch happens to overlap in meaningful ways.

>>52160688
They're forward with the pandering, but outside of shit like articles written by employees they aren't especially obnoxious, it's just kind of present, save for a few notable examples like the gay kangz from the new Commander set or Kaladesh being full of virtuous stronk women of color with engineering degrees oppressed by a blue/white(!) patriarchy. They like to play to the tumblr crowd and it very clearly affects the writing for the worse (Gideon apologizing to Nissa the autist about what was essentially a microaggression is one of the cringiest things I've ever read), but at the very least it lacks the condescending calls to action and censorious and judgmental aspects of socjus cancer.

I'd just ignore it but the lore used to be interesting, or at the very least entertaining, so I have a bone to pick with the tripleniggers writing this shit.

>>52160808
Izzet like to tinker around sure, but Niv has a strong personality and a narcissist streak a mile wide.
Once she shows up and starts bending minds to her will I'd expect him to resist for a long as he can.

>>52160546
I thought that, with how the Dimir dont know where most of the dimir are or are doing it would be very hard to corrupt them.

One agent gets infected and the superior cuts all contact with them once the relay gets iffy and the agent and the entire group scatters.

>>52161513
>Niv tries to make an invention to duck with Emrakul's mind because fuck you

>>52161585
>Muh inventions
Wow fuck Kaladesh.

>>52161576
Right you've got a bunch of secret telepaths squirreled away in the other guilds, who don't have a lot of contact with other members aside from a brain master coming along and relaying a few orders now and then.
Seems ripe for Eldrazi corruption to me.

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>>52161727
Don't hate on Izzet shit

>>52152069
>Design game to appeal to autistic number crunchers and rules lawyers.
>Expect the audience to care about characters or narratives.

pick only one

>>52161793
>Niv in the background, jelly as fuck at the planeswalker

>>52161780
Only if the head is corrupted.

The whole point of the structure is its hard to compromise in things like this.

It's like saying the most likely place to be set afire is the fire department.

>>52160812
anyone

>>52160812
>>52163269
please

>>52161944
Poor Niv

>>52161171
Have you noticed just how many of the cathars pictured in SOI/EMN were female. It's honestly quite astounding. It's easily as high as 90%.

>>52160310
Which guild is best one to handle it? I'm leaning Rakdos

>>52156261
>>Play mono-white Angel tribal
>COMPLAIN about Eldritch Moon which gave us Bruna, the Fading Light, an absolute godsend for monowhite Angel tribal

>>52152069
Is it just me or does this look like it was done by the porn artist aka6?

>>52159228
>but then they let Nahiri kill Best Walker with her Moon Rage
Sorin's not dead, he's just getting gnawed by perpetual motion stone teeth.
I imagine when he gets out will be the last time we see him (probably as a rakdos colored Sorin, Lord of Wrath or something) and then he'll die, because at this point he's got nothing to live for and no reason to have white in his color. But the point is he's not dead yet.

I liked Theros a lot, because gods and shit and I hope Amonkhet is more of that.

Oh shit I really liked Theros.

It's not that I paid too close attention to the story other than the major arcs, it's just that the general atmosphere felt cool and fun. They named cities and those cities felt like they had a place somewhere. Like Setessa was a place and the crazy minotaurs were a threat.

Also Kruphix's story at the end was dope.

>>52152313
Because of this, the story of Aether Revolt felt like it took place on the same street and then there was a shack in the farm boonies too.

>>52152069
Because of how poorly everything is written. I'm no writefag, not in the slightest, but I have half a mind to believe I could tell a better story about any given deck I have made given about two weeks to prepare.

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>>52168130
Well huh. That face shape...

>>52168288
It's actually surprisingly pretty well written on the whole.
However, it is poorly directed. The writers have no control over the grand arc of the plot. That comes down from on high, ruled by the card game.

The Chandra/Nissa part of Kaladesh was trash though.

>>52168350
Yeah I'm not really into MtG so I don't know any of the artists, but I do fap a lot so I do know the artists and I think it's pretty similar, though aka6 pretty much entirely uses digital brush with more obvious strokes- not that it's a detriment, I like that aspect, personally.

>>52152069
>lesbians
Why are lesbians just a thing now in every book and storyline?

>>52155773

I need fanart of Karn in Jotaro's outfit with Gerard as Star Platinum punching the shit out of Yawgmoth DIO right the fuck now.

>>52168665
muh inclusivity

I wouldn't mind it if the stories were good.

>>52168718

My problem with this trend is that it's never INTERESTING. Books ABOUT lesbians, or with well-written lesbians dealing with their life, are interesting. Writers going LOOK LESBIANS and then not DOING anything with the characters is as annoying as writers going LOOK A WIZARD or LOOK A BLACK PERSON

It's fucking tiresome 2d pandering and only the most braindead can't see through it. Real inclusivity is treating people like people, not checkmarks on a list that says diversity.

>>52156261
They're just checking their mono-White privilege

>>52169398
>one mono white planeswalker left
>he isn't white

B R A V O
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M A R O
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>>52168685
but what does yawgmoth look like?

http://imakethecard.tumblr.com/post/158383861873/kamigawa-short-stories

this is what flavor should be

>whole thread about MtG lore
>not one mention of Vorthos
The dudes at WotC do know that there's people playing for the story or flavour

>>52160409
People only refer to Emrakul as female because of Emeria, which was also a gender assumption. Eldrazi have no gender, so it would be more acceptable to refer to it with the default "he" but neither is correct.

>>52161171
>Gideon apologizing to Nissa the autist about what was essentially a microaggression
I don't read the story, what was this?

>>52152069
because its horribly written and completely fucking retarded

wizards made it all about pushing a SJW narrative and abandoned their core player base in the story and it became turbo shit

>>52168077
The numerous blacks are what stood out to me more, since Innistrad is essentially medieval Europe.

>>52171360
I don't recall which story, I think it was in one of the ones at the tail-end of Eldritch Moon or the beginning of Kaladesh. He pats her on the shoulder trying to be reassuring and she gets silently triggered 'cause autism or some shit and then he's like "Oh, does my pat on the shoulder coolguy thing bother you? Sorry I won't do that anymore, just tell me if I ever make you uncomfortable." I'll see if I can find the exact words.

>>52171730
Here we go:
"Nicely done," Gideon laid a massive hand on Nissa's thin shoulder. She twitched and inhaled sharply. The tree-beast swung toward him and shook itself, leaves rattling a feline hiss.

Then:
Liliana smiled and followed. Behind her, Gideon's voice echoed from the courtyard bricks. "Nissa, before you go. That thing I do, where I clap people on the shoulder? Does that make you uncomfortable?"

Liliana paused at the door, listening. If the elf responded, her words weren't audible.

"I'm sorry. I hadn't realized. I won't do it again." Liliana couldn't imagine his expression, but his tone dripped such brown-eyed-shaggy-dog sincerity her lips twitched with irritation.

"Thank you." Barely more than a whisper of wind on leaves.

"If anything makes you uncomfortable, let me know, all right? Especially if it's me."

>>52152069
Magic rarely had a good story (there were a few entertaining gems here and there).

But the Jacetice League is pure fucking cancer.

>>52161171
I still can't fathom how they retconned Elf Hilter Nissa who's responsible for releasing the Eldrazi into a dindu nuffin.

Just make a new character and kill off that "Ashaya!"-screaming whore.

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>>52171979
>>52170841


see the kamigawa archive, those snippets were pretty good imo

>mfw reading Iizuka the Ruthless after looking at what the card does

>>52168126
She's complaining because Bruna (and Gisela) became icky, and because Avacyn got murdered instead of staying super pristine pure pure

>>52171339
Didn't some of the Innistradi who got infected start calling Emrakul by feminine pronouns as well or something? Which would have nothing to do with the Zendikari religions, and everything to do with Emrakul.

>>52173845
Girl'mrakul! Power'mrakul! Man the lore has gone to shit.

>>52152239
Sincr they're mountain based, Kamigawa had ice bolts doing direct damage.

>>52152406
This. Maro complains that Zalphir should've been its own standalone plane, an african inspired plane. However, having so many different regions helps make Dominaria feel like an actual whole planet.

Kaladesh's Aether Revolt (tm) was more like a marketplace riot than an actual planar revolution or something. They have all these cool airships but nowhere to fly them to.

>>52153229
A lot of the new magic lore seems like theyre trying to build all these badass moments, its more suited to a comic book (and not a very good one). The Thran, for example, is not just about Glacian being a cuck. It tries to provide some lore into all the ancient civilizations and how they produced a gifted maniac like Yawgmoth.

>>52153678
Funny, white cards in Urzas Saga made me think "what the fuck is going on here? Is there a book?"

>>52153801
Tarkir feels at least the same size as the world of Avatar. It also has two factions of nomads, which implies people travelling a lot.

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The Odyssey + Onslaught cycle had the best story.

Fight me, any of you cocksuckers who disagree.

>>52175349
Odyssey was mostly great, Onslaught was mostly ass.

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>>52156251
Time Spiral was the hypest shit and made everything afterward feel lifeless and uninspired to me.

>get yelled at by autistic pro player at draft table for "sending false signals" because I kept taking all the cool blue timeshifted cards but actually built white-green

>>52157440
The last of the weekly threads weren't even about the current lore. And they were at page 10 by noon. It was sad.

>>52157668
Well, the eldrazi also work when they're unfathomable horrors beyond comprehension. Its a case of less is more. When they start releasing them in all flavors and sizes for three sets they just become regular monsters with psychedelic coating.

>>52161171
Fuck, I just noticed there were no women on the evil faction.

>>52156261
>not knowing it was gonna be Emrakul the entire time

Nigger when people were first mentioning the return to Innistrad just before BFZ released it was SOLD on the idea that it was Eldrazi on Innistrad because we knew BFZ was only going to have two titans.

You're just a salty waifufag who ignored all of the obvious signs.

>>52175349
Masturbating shadow people is the height of literature, yes.

>>52175904
Before BFZ was even ANNOUNCED people were going 'they could totally do Eldrazi in Innistrad and call it Shadow Over Innistrad'

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Because it doesn't matter. It was sometimes interesting to read up on the lore of the place but the weekly stories are complete ass now and have been for a while because we already know the basics of the story when the cards come out. The BFZ/OGW in particular was so bad that I dropped that block completely. It's like we know that they catch Ulamog because it's on quarantine field. We Know that Sea Gate gets destroyed because it's on Sea Gate Wreckage. We know the gatewatch forms because there's like 20 cards that mention it. We know that the power of friendship wins from Zendikar Resurgent and we know exactly how because of Bonds of Mortality and Fall of the Titans. So it was just weeks and weeks of "Just get to fucking innistrad already", which was better because there was some fucking mystery to it, and then EMN just went back to boring because now we know everything again.

>>52156889
I know this artist

Any more in the set? Sauce me motherfucker

>>52176617
>Gatewatch goes to Zendikar
>Nissa wastes all of the mana left to kill the titans
>all that's left is a shitty dust and bismuth hellhole
>the titans might have actually been useful to the maintenance of the multiverse

>Gatewatch go to Innistrad
>Avacyn is dead, Nahiri is perma-perioding, Sorin is a block of rock, there's squigglies, zombies, demons and werewolves running around even more
>the only hope for humans on there is Sigarda, Best Girl

>Gatewatch to Kaladesh
>the W/U consul did nothing wrong
>No more order because order triggers Chandra
>Might have alerted the Phyrexians that K-desh exists

Can't wait to see how badly they fuck up Not-Egypt and beat up Nicol Bolas only for it to be a Nicol Bolas simulacrum, then play "Where in the Multiverse is Carmen Bolas?" for a while until The Movie is released, then they move onto the Phyrexians and the Next Big Evil.

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>>52152069
>Jace, another settlement needs your help!

I liked the lore before the new shit tier planeswalkers became a thing. also;

>Best angel

>>52153229
There are three different stages to mtg fluff. Old (up through Invasion), Mid (Mirrodin through Time Spiral), and New (Lorwyn onwards).

Old is like a series of fantasy novel - long build ups to big climaxes with several pit stops for smaller connected stories along the way. Mid is like a series of short scifi stories - not that they're literally scifi, but they take the standard fantasy universe and throw some central conceit on it, then tell a story that plays into that. Nu magic is a comic book - dramatic moments in quick succession, lots of flash with little substance.

Now, make no mistake, none of the writing for any of these is particularly spectacular. Each has their high points and low points. What's really different about them is the structure.

In old magic, the story is the star. Events are weighty and relatively unpredictable. The twists are cool but not so rapid fire that you stop caring. The characters are kind of flat but they're not the star, so it's okay.

In mid magic, the world is the star. Each block is a new story now, so they can't rely on that to carry people's interest. Instead, they turned all their efforts to world building. They did a pretty good job of this. Ravnica and Mirrodin are not just extremely popular, they are also very different from each other. Characters were still pretty flat and shallow, but nobody cares because the world building is good.

In new magic, the characters are the stars. The stories are shallow and the twists are predictable. The world building is somewhat repetitive (they feel like they're made with a template) and a bit shallow (compare new planes' fluff to the fluff pieces Matt Cavotta wrote for Ravnica). And the characters... Surprise, they're the same flat characters magic has had from day one. And now that the spotlight is on them they can't carry the show because they're just not good enough. That's why new magic fluff is as a whole worse than the older versions.

>>52177358
I think Ravnica in particular is far better suited for an RPG than a card game even though it's a shameless clone of Sigil.

>>52177001
>planeswalkers literally did everything wrong
Sigarda, Feather, and Linvala working together to design an anti-planeswalker barrier when?

>>52171730
>Plane of perpetual gloom. Has blacks
>Race that avoids sunlight. Has a black chick front and center. (Campaign of Vengeance)
I know this is fantasy, but even fantasy needs some immersion. Fuck.

>>52157116
>Angels were great in AVR.
Shut the fuck up, AVR ruined Innistrad block

>>52171845
>If anything triggers you, I'll make sure to put a warning on it next time

>>52177001
I'm genuinely hoping against all hope that Hour of Destruction is actually all the Gatewatch's doing because of their ruining the titans and that Bolas is going to save the day because he wants the universe intact. Having Bolas tell them that they're all total retards and then save the multiverse from them would be grand.

>>52171845
I don't see what's wrong with him not wanting to bother her.
I mean he wants to be on her good side, seeing as how they're part of the same group and going to spend a lot of time together.

Do you go out of your way to antagonize your friends?

>>52178856
All the time, in fact.

>>52152069
Because it started really good (pre-Weatherlight), got pretty bad (from Weatherlight to Masques), got good again (Invasion-Mirrodin), then got really good again (Kamigawa-Shadowmoor), then got a little worse (Shard-Theros), before finally falling into the toilet (Khans-present)

>>52160310
The Azorius want to ban it, you mean.

>>52157333

I am honestly really burned out on 'Oooh, evil angels!' in fiction. It's just too common these days.

>>52152209
Innistrad had a good story
RtR was a bad story
Theros was a boring story
KtK was a good story
BFZ was a bad story
Shadows was a good setup told badly
EDM was a bad story
Kaladesh was an okay story told badly

>>52174050
Emrakul is basically an eldritch fertility god. It has nothing to do with girl power you twat.

>>52179171
RTR had a story other than Niv saying "we found a maze, go see what's in it"?

>>52179179
I think the main reason it's inconsistent probably has to do with the fact that the writers don't communicate or remember to maintain minor continuity details like that.

As major plot points there used to only be one vampire on Mirrodin, one sentient vampire on Ravnica, one remaining gorgon on Ravnica, the werewolves were forced into a permanent wolf-state and tamed as a whole on Innistrad, and Nissa was ridiculously racist.

There is zero reason to care about their ability to maintain the structures in the story. They won't even admit they needed to retcon it probably because they aren't even aware they retconed it.

>>52176820
Pretty sure there's at least one more of her taking the D.

>>52152069
None of it impacts the game, half of it is cycled out every year.
Almost exactly the same reasons I stopped reading comics.

>>52179300
Not much more but yeah.
-Gideon went to Boros to get help for Eldrazi on Zendikar (this was back before they learned they could just cast a really big fireball to kill off beings that in their previous appearance had minor manifestations that could wipe out armies and cities)
-Jace kept hearing shit about a maze being constructed
-I imagine new simic was doing shit but I don't recall what

Niv actually constructed the maze and the winner of the maze run got to be the guildpact or some shit.

It was a dull story but it was a story.

>>52180869
>Niv actually constructed the maze and the winner of the maze run got to be the guildpact or some shit
The maze was a backup left behind by the original founders of the guildpact to re-instate the guildpact (or lacking that motivation, destroy all the guilds) in the event of the dissolution of the guildpact.

The story back in original Ravnica was fucking stupid. They destroyed magical communism, it ruined the plane, then they spent another block reinstating magical communism except it entirely depends on Jace, which makes it magical communism with a benevolent dictator who regularly just fucks off to put his balls in the path of a eldritch horror bandsaw.

Real fucking smart there guys. Fuck. If Jace was permanently stuck on Ravnica like the God-Emperor having to manage the plane then fine. But no, they just let them go to the possibly the second or third most hazardous place in the multiverse where he could possibly die and once again drive Ravnica into chaos. Again.

They couldn't appoint the fucking church-mage or law-mage to keep order?

I hate myself for knowing so much about the plot; it's proportional to how much I hate it.

>>52181169
If they appointed a church mage then Orzihov would rule everything and if they appointed a law mage it'd be lawfagging it up banning everything. I understand the problem but Jace was the best bet because you can't have just some random chump be the guildpact, he'd get fucking murdered in less than a day. Jace can, most importantly, protect himself and has little ties to any of the guilds, except he seemingly likes Azorius the most which just puts us back to square one.

>>52181251
It was abundantly clear the church-mage, law-mage, police-mage and dead police-mage from the previous block were fairly free-thinkers and were often above guild bullshittery and acted against their own guilds in the interests of transparency and fairness. Or I know, maybe we can let the actual nice Boros Archangel former-guildleader out of her fucking tower to manage things if they only didn't forget she existed in the plot.

And here's the deal, they fucking LIVE on the plane. It means they can be called upon to answer problems whereas Jace isn't going to drop trying to fuck his ex-girlfriend to deal with what he certainly considers to be minor guild bullshit. It's not like before bed he pops up his iPlanebook and sees what things he has to deal with on Ravnica before sleeping.

If the Rakdos, Gruul, and Selesnya Cult Hivemind don't fucking like that they can propose their own candidates with a proven track record if impartiality.

>>52152069
because fluff is mutable.

>>52157662
what characters are you talking about?

>>52182291
It's only allowed to change if the authors acknowledge that they're changing it because they had a better idea. If you don't admit you're aware you're breaking continuity it makes it look like you don't fucking care or you're some idiotic corporation who can't be seen to do wrong, either way when you fuck up the retcon or take it in a worse direction you have no excuse or recourse because you didn't deign to inform your fucking fans that you were fucking with the continuity. And now suddenly it's shit and it's all your fault.

Standard Wizards operating proceedure.

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>>52152069
I loved when the books simply focused on the one plane they were on, like Kamigawa and OG Ravnica. Ever since they introduced the "main characters" I've stopped caring.

>>52152069

It is the secret plan to make people actually give a shit about the mechanics.

Worked on me.

>>52175349
Odyssey started out ok, but it got stupid once Phage had that baby with the Master.

One part I did like was when Akroma met her creator and basically begs for his acknowledgement, telling him about the religion she's built in his name. But, all he can do is mourn for the woman who Akroma was modelled after.

>>52156251
>Remind yourself that we will never see Kamigawa again because it was mechanically mediocre and retards didn't get the fluff because they tried too hard to avoid it being a theme park setting.

Reminder that MaRo said that Theros was "Kamigawa done right"

>>52152077
/thread
How has this thread continued after the second post