ITT we describe /tg/ with a single image.

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every single general thread

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>>52145953

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I win.

>>52145833
you gettin' good, frankie boi

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>>52145180

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>>52146209

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>>52146224

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>>52146191

>Doesn't explicitly say "I wish"

Clever.

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>>52146262

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>>52146384
>Kids
>Crabs
That's a vague enough justification to post my favorite WebM of the season.

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>>52146191

>>52146434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca3qvbdFSZk

>>52146445
I don't understand why you didn't put a condom in her hands

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>>52146466
Because obviously she's rubbing her belly where he's going to put a baby.

You idiot.

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You can't deny that this mother fucker was the embodiment of /tg/.

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>>52145833
Wow dude, not cool.

>>52146743
It's not rape if it's a elf.

>>52146454
>but why tho

My sides

>>52146781
That's an elf-like alien.

>>52146781

It isn't rape at all, that's rough play. How the hell do you convince a rapee to dress up as a space elf?

>>52147132
I'd imagine you'd force them.

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>>52146889
Close enough.

>>52146889
That's fine. Like elves, aliens also lack souls.

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>>52146781
That's a lilirarune.

>>52147396
Oh look at those nice guardsmen offering to return the xenos breastplate while not thinking about the whole situation sexually at all.

>>52147396
Aren't Eldar, at least according to some fluff, supposed to be so fast humans can't even really track them moving at full speed?

I feel like she should be able to get away, if not murder most of those guys.

>>52147727
Well anon, she'd be awfully off balance trying to cover her shame there. Luckily, as >>52147695 said they're willing to help her out. Just look, one is removing his belt so they can strap her broken armor back on til she runs home and can get it repaired. Real gents.

>>52147660
The post was about >>52145833
However I do like your image.

>>52146118
no way is this real

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>>52148134

It's real, there was another one in the series, too.

>>52146466
>Implying you don't want to impregnate a Genie

>>52148162
That seems more like /lit/.

>>52145953
>not using stats for mimic for that picture

>>52146191
Nice try, little guy, but that's not a wish!

>>52148631
Half genie. You're bound to catch some serious shit from the human half.

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>>52149464
>not getting the meme

>>52145204
I don't get it.

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>>52150558

So you totally believe all those greentext stories really happened, huh? Boy, you're in luck! I've got an amazing opportunity for you!

>>52146435
is that the show with the tittymonster Aztec god? What's it called?

>>52150596
They're about roleplaying games, which are pretend by nature. What does it matter if they happened?

>>52153008
Kobayashi no Maidragon

The dragons that are based on real ones are surprisingly accurate to myth, considering the premise.

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>>52154907
I definitely intend on checking it. The plot on some of those characters seems real thicc.

>>52145681

Underrated post.

>>52146061
I unironically like this photo

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>>52150961
these make me wonder... are there any manga about ttrpg groups?

>>52159306

http://bato.to/reader#c80080eb34f0565e

Even is translated by /tg/.

>>52159398
>tfw nobody ever got the second volume

>>52146384
I hate this logic. If you hand wave problems with your universe, it's a shit universe and you're a shit world builder. Any good fictional universe needs to be one thing and one thing: internally consistent. That universe can be absolutely retarded. It can have a race of hermaphroditic anthropomorphic ponies that reproduce through the consumption of small balls of dirt; that's fine. So long as three books later you don't have a shemale horse shit out a baby without eating any dirt and tell me that it's a fantasy story, it doesn't have to make sense.

Reading fiction is entering into an unspoken agreement with the author- he lays out the rules, and then he tells a story abiding by them. If a story isn't internally consistent, it kills all suspense or tension. As Brandon Sanderson wrote:

"An author’s ability to solve conflict with magic is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to how well the reader understands said magic."

If you're going to break with your universe's internal logic, why even bother? Just tell me the heroes win and the bad guys die, who gives a fuck how it happened if they don't have to work for it.

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>>52159170
I didn't ask for this feel.
But it's a good feel.

>>52150582
Homebrew to the max

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>>52159566

>>52159588
It is not necessary to build an universe for the story
Think of it as mental analogue of watching sakura blooming: beautiful yet fleeting (in this case, once you poke things with logic)

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>>52159566
technically there's a low-quality scan done of volume 2 and some of volume 3 by some other people

>>52146384
what a faggot

>>52146191
>Implying Bolo would have the balls

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>>52146118
Is that why /tg/ is always telling me to stay away from D&D?
They want to hoard all the armoured joyrides for themselves?

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>>52160318
they're telling you to keep away from D&D because they've played too many games with online randies and not enough with irl friends who get enjoyment from simply doing things with friends.

too many autists and not enough true irl adventuring companions = miserable experience. D&D is simply the most well known and widely played game, so it gets the blame for bad gaming habits.

>>52145871
>Nazi Doctors

>>52146061
Looks pretty comfy sempai

>>52160478
Pretty much this. It's kind of like how Call of Duty can be fun if you just wanna have a night with friends.

Though I also wish irl friends had the same ideas about what to bring to a game that I did. So many are more stats focused.

>>52160803
make em play a rules light game. i thought die rolls and stats mattered, then i ran a single, continuous Risus campaign for over 6 months on a weekly basis. now I know that nothing matters.

>>52161134

Yep, Gygax said that we don't really need the rules, and he meant it. They're nice to have, but you can do without them.

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>>52163350
Did you do that on purpose? post a fucking thumbnail? I am dissappoint Anon.

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>>52163369
I didn't realize it was a thumbnail. Sorry.

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>>52149502
Wishing for it would be coercion.
He's honorable man.

>>52154880
/tg/ is roleplaying as roleplayers. I like it.

>>52160034

That pretty much summarizes Grant Morrison, yes.

>>52163618
What was the thing?

>>52163671

Oh practically every system I've enjoyed has had some guy come through to tell me it's irredeemably shit and designed by acephalic monkeys and I must be some kind of idiot to think otherwise.
It's just nerds being nerds.

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>>52163671
Any system that is not GURPS

>>52163496
Do they seriously expect to trip it? Its not even tied to a tree. When that thing hits the hope those dudes are going to the fucking moon

>>52146118
>>52148326
What I would give for prints or posters of these ads.

>>52163746

Also, GURPS.

>>52163731
But i want to know what the thing that guy was turned away from was.
>>52163746
I know this, I want to play gurps but I have to convince other people to do so, as well, this is not always easy.

>>52163787

Well, it's a made up story, I think from the Onion. Invent your own answer!

I'm gonna say it was Badminton. Badminton, like Rodney Dangerfield, gets no respect.

>>52163829
Oh, makes sense, I still can't believe anyone takes the Onion seriously

>>52163755

tg_space_program.jpg

>>52163867

Yeah, but on the other hand, they can be weirdly prophetic. When George Bush was elected, their article on his upcoming commencement speech had him proclaim "Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is over!"
And then the economy tanked and we got dragged into two wars.

>>52164011
Yeah but thats just luck.

>>52164011
Spew enough fiction for long enough, and eventually some will become fact.

>>52164030

Yeah, but then again they were making fun of California's crumbling dams and waterways years before the recent crisis that caused an evacuation:
http://www.theonion.com/video/preemptive-memorial-honors-future-victims-of-immin-14178

Sometimes you can do a lot with an educated guess.

>>52164030
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>>52164084
In the words of a great shitposter "You know the best way to predict the future? Tell a joke."

>>52164084
Not the Folsom dam though.

>>52159398
>>52159566

this appears to not be here anymore. Can you tell me the title? I'd love to look it up.

>>52164164
It's there, you just need to have logged in first. It's QuickStart!

>>52164164
its there. you need an account to do it. just make a burner, or link it to a burner twitter account.

>>52163867
What is frightening is 20% of the US electorate considers The Onion a "Somewhat Trustworthy" or "Very Trustworthy" news source.

>>52164196
hey, which would YOU believe? comedians, or CNN?

>>52161134

depends why the like the stats. For someone who really likes the minmaxing as a fun exercise, make 'em play a game of 2e, 3d6 strict, core book only. It'll fix their obsession with building real quick, worked for me.

>>52163763
False. If he was the kind of person who likes GURPS then nothing will ever convince him that there is any scenario where GURPS is not the best system imaginable.

>>52164196

Wasn't bought out by people that pay rolled Hillary?

>>52164214
Is there a difference?

>>52146321
Thomas Jefferson designed a university without walkways.
After a year, he came back and put walkways where walking students had beaten down paths.

>>52164259
comedians are funny on purpose.

>>52164084
>http://www.theonion.com/video/us-forest-service-kills-off-smokey-bear-to-get-peo-36738
>implying forest fires aren't as big a problem as they are specifically because of Smokey-the-Bear policies
Periodic fires are healthy. Stopping all fires is the cause of the current giant fires, and the forest service should lie in the bed they made.

>>52164332

>stopping all fires is the cause of giant fires

bud. buddy. friend. pal. Smokey the Bear policies are about preventing human-caused fires, not natural ones.

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Do you remember, /tg/?

>>52163261
>finally find a picture of this pic uncensored oh god yes
>still has a small censor

Fuck, mine has a post acting as a censor. I'll never find the original.

>>52164401
at that point, might as well draw the nipples yourself

>>52164281
>a university
non-american here, which university? That's genius.

>>52146435
>my favorite WebM of the season
C'mon, is KonoSuba really that much worse now than S1 was?

>>52164386

Yes. You mad man.

>>52164386
some things are better left forgotten

>>52164401
>http://stuartedney.deviantart.com/art/Tiki-Warforged-thing-125821704
Here ya go.

>>52164370
Fires are getting huge regardless of their origin. Increased fire load doesn't care if it's coming from lightning or a cigarette. What's more, the natives were burning for only God know show long before people (particularly the Spaniards) made them stop. Fire is necessary, and the source isn't the important part. In fact, human-set fires are arguably better since if they're set intentionally, they can be planned for and fuel loads can be modified where necessary.

>>52164420
Look up university created by thomas jefferson, i'm sure it will come up.

>>52160478

>Play D&D with IRL friends weekly across 2 different editions (3.5 and 5)
>Can see glaring flaws in the design philosophy and keeping legacy mechanics around
>Even normie friends sometimes comment things like "what the hell is up with HP and AC? They don't really make much sense"
>Every attempt to do anything outside of kitchen sink setting sword and sorcery fails utterly

D&D is a fine system for doing what it lays out for you. Which is a kind of gonzo high powered game of heroes. Which is great, lots of people like doing that. D&D, however, is pretty awful at doing anything else.

/tg/ often tells people complaining about problems inherent to D&D to not play D&D because those problems are baked into the system. /tg/ tells anyone trying to play something that D&D doesn't do well, like: horror, modern, low magic, or anything with 3 dimensions, to not play D&D because there are other systems that do those things better, often with less rules.
There are people out there who will desperately try to bolt on solutions or mechanics to D&D in order to make it play something it isn't made for. Those people would almost always be better off just playing a different system.

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I like to believe it's true. It helps me take /tg/ seriously.

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>>52164599
I'm sorry, Anon.

>>52146592
I could use a cutout of that I am not a clever man part if anyone got it

>>52164557

It depends on the edition. Unless your DM was really generous you didn't get super powerful very easily in 2e.

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>>52164624

gotchu senpai.

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>>52164627

Thats probably true. I admit that post is entirely informed by experience with 3.5 and 5e, with a tiny sprinkling of anecdotes from 4e.

I'm fairly certain that the criticism of "D&D does what it was designed to do, and not much else" still stands. As it does for every specialized system. I wouldn't try to run sword and sorcery in Eclipse Phase any more than I would try to run post human science fiction in D&D, much as I'm sure someone has tried.

>>52164700

Yep, you're pretty on point there. He was just pointing out that "what D&D was designed to do" has changed over the years -- back in the early days it was more a tactical dungeon crawling company of tomb robbers game than a high-flying fantasy hero storytime game.
Honestly modern D&D isn't even that good at what it's designed for.

>>52164386
Johniass?

>>52164673

I gotta say, Samurai Jack gives me life. I always go in for martials in TTRPGs, but they always end up either underpowered as shit or pulling some wushuu blade magic shit where they can make wind blades with a swing of their sword. Where's my preternaturally skilled warriors who can cut down dozens of enemies in a round or slice a robot in half?

>>52164700

I recommend giving 2e a try, there's a reason it had a lot of settings *COUGH COUGH RAVENLOFT* that just didn't make the transition well into 3.0/3.5- the feel of the game changed entirely.

Oh, and you're absolutely right, D&D in general- and D20 by extension, the "fighting and maybe crafting" system that it is- is very much designed for one thing and good at it(... usually good at it).

Thing is, any system that ISN'T specialized always comes out pretty crap(GURPS, for example, or the aforementioned D20) because instead of building mechanics around the feel and aesthetic of the world they want to make, they end up having to build mechanics to suit ANY aesthetic and feel.

>>52164753
>Where's my preternaturally skilled warriors who can cut down dozens of enemies in a round or slice a robot in half?

Try Fantasy Craft, or Scarlet Heroes.

>>52164786

Any chance you could link me a place with them or drop a PDF? I'll probably look for them if you can't, but if you already have them...

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>>52164386
Do you remember when we sent him after this?

>>52164786
>>52164864

nevermind, found it.

That said...

Fantasycraft is not making a good impression right off the bat. "versatile" is not typically a phrase I like to hear bandied about when discussing TTRPGs. It's like hearing a video game ad talk about the "hours of content". Yes, and there's also hours of content in watching paint dry, and Rysus is the most versatile system in the world.

>>52146288
I actually don't get this one, never have.

>>52164939

I'm so Meta, even this acronym

turned into an acronym...

Is Meta

I assume guy was well known for meta-information analysis or somesuch.

>>52164974
woah

>>52165053

it's kinda dumb desu.

Check "xkcdexplained" next time, it explains every XKCD joke.

>>52165074
"joke" yeah i remember when xkcd had those.

>>52165173

really? I don't.

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>>52165173
And I remember when there weren't a need for any.

>>52164936
>It's like hearing a video game ad talk about the "hours of content".
Glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way.

>>52165481
Too bad there's no jobs in that because lighthouses are obsolete due to GPS

>>52164936

"Versatile" in this case mostly means the mechanics can be adjusted, see the section on Campaign Qualities. They're basically like prepackaged, well-tested houserules to shift the playstyle to suit your game world. Like you can make it grittier by adding some of the stuff like Bleak Heroes or Deadly Combat, or remove magic just by declaring no Sorcery and No Miracles (or the Indifferent Universe rule), or make things crazier with the Monty Haul or Wire-Fu rules.

>>52165658
Yeah, you try seeing rocks in the dark at sea with GPS, see how that works out for you.

>>52165855
No problem, my screen is backlit.

>>52164753
>Where's my preternaturally skilled warriors who can cut down dozens of enemies in a round or slice a robot in half?
4e. D&D 4e.
Where Martial Power, drawn from extensive training experience and constantly pushing mortal limits, is just as valid as arcane or divine or psionic drawn strength. Where you CAN make strikes which deal debilitating blows to hordes of enemies, and combat is balanced with many monsters that literally have 1hp and are meant to be slain in your heroic efforts that will still contribute to fucking your shit up if you let them through by only paying attention to the "strong" enemies.

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>>52166710
>when you find honey inside of a dead lion and you gotta tell the relatives of your Philistine wife about it but they don't get the riddle so you kill them with a donkey jawbone

Whoever says the Bible is boring hasn't read it.

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>>52166761
Fuck your shit, I'm a god damn gnome!

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>>52166920

>>52166857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-J3nJerAyQ

>>52166840
>naked buxom elf drawing on wall

Yep, that's /tg/ alright.

>>52166840

>Rolled a 1
>Rolled Poorly
>Do Not Feast on Humans

I can't make out the poster in the upper right, though.

>>52165879
kek

>>52166630

allow me to revise

>Where's my preternaturally skilled warriors who can cut down dozens of enemies in a round or slice a robot in half in good systems?

>>52167694
>>52166630

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>>52145180

>>52167699

uh-huh. Anyways, even ignoring the flaws in 2e, you're ignoring that I'm looking for preternaturally skilled martials who show incredible skill in their attacks... not martials who, say, as an example, do this:

"You manifest shrieking spirits as you strike your enemy. While the spirits remain, your foes can't bring themselves to rush your allies."

Barbarian power, /day, level 9. I have no interest in 4e, it's not to my taste, and it doesn't provide the kind of martial experience I'm talking about. Calm down.

>>52167818
*flaws in 4e, fuck me mistyping is awkward.

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>>52147396
Who let that mutant into armour?
Also who taught this mutant what an eldar is?
At least bind your chest if you're going to pretend to be a space elf you dumbass. Now back to the undercity with you.

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>>52146209
Would the expelled bullet cases of that rifle be able to damage the astronaut's gear? Could it present a safety risk?

>>52169657
The Ejection Port is facing away from him.

>>52169694
Still, could it harm another person?

In a low gravity enviroment the case could fling pretty far away, I guess, and in a low pressure atmosphere would keep the high temperature for a longer or shorter time?

Do bullets even work in the almost vacuum?

Would the gun need to be sealed to work properly and the cases need to be collected to avoid unwanted heated scrap metal be thrown around?

xD shit, why am I wondering about all this shit based on that one picture?

>>52170085
One: Space suits are typically designed to survive micro-meteoroid strikes and crazy high temps, so unlikely.

Two: Bullets provide their own fuel and oxidizer and remain in a sealed barrel for most of their acceleration, so yes.

Three: Almost all firearms work in a vacuum because of two, unless they rely on gas pressure to cycle the action without a hard seal, so maybe.

Four: I have no idea.

>>52170085
>>52170291
The real problem with using firearms in space is recoil. Newton's an asshole. The good news is that guns were designed during the cold war to overcome it using specialized ammunition. These rounds were essentially tiny rockets, continuing to accelerate for several feet after leaving the barrel of the weapon and thus reducing the recoil felt by the shooter.

Firing a gun on the moon would present fewer problems due to the astronaut having ground to help them, but I could see the reduced gravity still altering the feel of firing the weapon.

>>52145871
Lemmy was so based. Stop it anon, you're gonna make me tear up.

>>52146205
you win, on a technicality, the best kind of win

>>52168136
underrated post

>>52170602
Tha,,,,, that is not how shield walls work, why would you even do that?

>>52170849
>he doesn't use shield walls to prevent his mercenary infantry from fleeing the battlefield

Tactilet.

>>52145545
>4 different watermarks
This infuriates me.

>>52170474
>Newton's an asshole
You mean he's the deadliest son of a bitch in space.

>>52170602
>Hundreds of spears pointed into the air
>Elves jump over shield wall
>Better put spears down so they don't get hurt

>>52168712
those teats

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>>52171451

>>52145264
Shitty Wizard

>>52170602
>filthy knife ears dying in place of the worthy mountain folk, bones of the venerable earth.
>nothing of value was lost

>>52145264
>>52172135

Speaking of shitty wizards, /osrg/ produced original content yesterday: >>52160205

>>52173243
>trying to use "knife ears" as an insult

Dragon Age called. They said you can keep their fagness.

>>52146514
What's the source of this comic?

>>52145833
Ugly neckbeards spanking elves, I think it's safe to say this thread is complete.

>>52159398
Do I need an account to read on this website?

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/tg used to be fun...

>>52163550
>Nobody on /pol/ is white
>Nobody on /tg/ plays roleplaying games
>Nobody on /v/ enjoys video games

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>>52147798

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>>52174034

>>52163756
Same! The fucking aesthetic is perfect

>>52170602

Dumbest shit I've ever seen

>>52174234

The scene where Legolas runs up the falling rocks like Sonic the Hedgehog is worse.

>>52163350
what is this, a thumbnail for ants?

>>52146089
GURPS

>>52166744
Sauce for the love of god sauce, you better give me some sauce. All i get is apes and I don't want apes I want sauce. Give me sauce!

>>52170602

This is the dumbest fucking piece of fight choreography I've ever seen. thank you anon.

>>52174400

Jeez, anon, just search for Becca Lusk.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/14655107.Becca_Lusk

Your internet skills are weak, and you should be ashamed of them.

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>>52174605

>>52159588

I think he's talking about the nitpicking that people do.

Saying "Why doesn't Superman just go back in time again?" is a perfectly reasonable critique for the old movies, and an example of writing into a corner.

Saying "How the hell does Superman fool anyone with the Clark Kent glasses?" is ridiculous, because it's a part of the setting that Clark might be a big guy with a square jaw, but Superman? That guy's a milquetoast doormat: He couldn't WRITE Superman, much less be a hero.

It's the difference between suspension of disbelief and tolerance of plotholes.

>>52170602
Brilliant strategie.
That's so dumb, the enemy would not see it coming.

>>52165658

They still have uses in dangerous areas. There'll never be a captain that will regret having a local contact who knows what's up with the shallows.

>>52170602
LotR movies are superior to the hobbit trilogy.

>>52175206
Yeah but the captains aren't actually the ones paying for that. There's a reason that actual lighthouses are pretty much all abandoned now.

>>52175209

Does anybody really dispute that?

>>52164138
Who said that?

>>52170849

To be honest, if they had waited until the initial charge broke on the wall, they'd have fresh skirmishers counter-charging bogged down infantry, with a solid back-line to retreat to.

But why be pragmatic when you can be dramatic?

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>>52175209
no

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>>52175230
yes

>>52175308
God, the CG is so bad.

>>52175308

Congratulations, you've posted the actual stupidest scene in any of the Hobbit movies.

>>52175319

That one's maybe fourth or fifth place for silly video game shenanigans.

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>>52175332
you just don't appreciate the craftmanship

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>>52175332
>>52175356
actor and animators both put a lot into it
the end result is amazing when you consider how young it is

>>52175374
Well apparently one of the things they didn't put into it was dropping some rocks and seeing what that looks like, because they didn't get it even fucking close.

>>52175396
You think that's bad, you should see their molten gold.

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>>52175393
>>52175396
>muh fantasy movie is unrealistic
cry me a river
on /tg/ of all places i didn't expect that
elf walking on falling rocks is rule of cool

>>52175374

Ah, the barrel riding scene as it was meant to be: a cool video game sequence. I'm sure if Tolkien had known what a cool video game was, he wouldn't have made it so boring when he wrote it in his stupid book.

>>52175409
That's not rule of cool. If you get some anime shit like jumping off of fallen bullets, that's rule of cool. Hopping up something that's collapsing is a normal thing that can happen in real life, and there's nothing wrong with the concept. The concept doesn't even need the justification of "rule of cool", it's realistic already. If you can't make it look right, that's just poor craftsmanship.

>>52174034
Fuck you Erebus!

>>52175236
No one ever, but just in case I'm wrong I personally would think George Carlin, one of the greatest comedians ever to live, if it's actually an anon, it's literally all of us.

>>52175410
I'll admit that i like the second hobbit movie, especially the barrel scene. And I don't hate the first film. But by the emperor is the third film shit. From the acting, to the directing, to the CGI. Even the other movies had shitty CGI scenes, only good one was Smaug. Just look at the orcs, and the fucking horse of all things! why did you CG a horse?

https://youtu.be/g_uMkrxTLeM?t=2m1s

>>52168089
Behold! I bring you the dragons wife!

>>52173985
>>Nobody on /v/ enjoys video games
But that's right, though...

>>52174034
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0RnjLEOhfob

>>52174034
Fuck you Erebus

>>52175696

so is the rest of it.

>>52173583
http://abnor.com.br/

>>52175409
to use rule of cool you actually have to do something cool

>>52172453
sauce? Google doesn't know.

>>52165658
And those that still stand are automated. Once in a while someone drops in for maintenance and that's all.

>>52175206
That's what pilots are for, and they are paid by the port authority, typically the state port authority in burgerland.

It's really a shame lighthouses are all but abandoned here. There are a lot of historic preservation initiatives that do a deccent job of at least maintaining the lighthouses, but very few are functional anymore.

>>52175374
>the end result is amazing when you consider how young it is
No it's not, the CGI is actually conspicuously bad because they utterly fuck the movement up. I didn't like some of the designs but never saw a problem with the actual CGI til i watched them, it just utterly ruins the films.

>>52145204
well yeah. that's because it's fantasy.

>>52146435
itn't kanna like old as hell?

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>>52164420
>>52164477
University of Virginia
Its a very pretty place

>>52174605
bribes suck. pizza is a given.

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>>52170602
>The Elves fall for the trap
>mfw they die to the last knife-eared, tree-licker

>>52168089
is the dragon confused or concerned? i can never read that face

>>52181380
Both I think. Also embarrassed it looks like