Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for slaanesh

What's everyone working on today? Games? Hobby progress?

I'm gonna try and assemble my box of Start Collecting Skitarii and finish painting my sicarian infiltrators

3rd for valhalla

>>52138651
>dank daily dunk
OP will never not be shit edition

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>>52138681

Putting my space marines on ebay. GW isn't pulling the rug from under me again.

>>52138651
RotP pdf in mega>>52138681

>>52138681
unit of ruststalkers starting tomorrow

>>52138681
Tau Coldstar commander. Still not sure if he's worth the points, but he looks cool.

Is there an edition where Orks aren't shit???

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Did another scan through the tactica and replaced useless shit with stul that will probably work better
if im wrong and/or retarded let me know

Krieg Assault Brigade (Mordian)
HQ
Company Command Squad
Carapace Armour, Power Sword, Memento Mori, Ossuary of the Blessed Dead
195 pts

Quartermaster Cadre
x2 Servitors,
95 pts

Elite
Combat Engineer Squad x10
Melta Bombs, Melta Gun, Mole Launcher, Hades
180 pts

Troops
Platoon #1
Plasma Gun
65 pts
Infantry Squad
70 pts
Infantry Squad
70 pts
205 pts

Platoon #2
Plasma Gun
65 pts
Infantry Squad
70 pts
Infantry Squad
70 pts
205 pts

Fast Attack
Death Rider Platoon
Command Squad
100 pts
Squadron
Melta Bombs
90 pts
Squadron
Melta Bombs
90 pts
280 pts

Heavy Support
Leman Russ x2
Heavy Bolter Sponsons
340 pts

Total: 1500 pts

>>52138770
Age of Sigmar.

>>52138785
Really? I'm seriously asking.

Orks vs Nids

Who wins?

>>52138785
>the fucking naked orcs are better than the armored space marine ones

>>52138681

I have a Tactical Squad to build.

Then I have a whole pile of stuff that I have to work up the motivation to paint.

Emperor give me strength.

>>52138778
>Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Waste of points on an Ord russ, can't you use them somewhere else?

>>52138795
arguably 5th edition
...arguably

otherwise yea, AoS is the best place for the greenskins

>>52138795
Yeah, they're great. Arrow Boy Bonesplitters are even OP if you spam them.

>>52138800
Orks, i beat nids recently with them

>>52138702
Last OP pasta was meticulously sanitised for memeshit.

How were 3rd edition orks?

>>52138681
Re-basing some of my Chaos marines with actual 32mm bases instead of blank 25mm ones

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>>52138770

Orks aren't tier 1, but they aren't shit, you're just a bad player.

Orks armies are very unforgiving of mistakes. With Marines or Tau or Eldar you can fuck up and still manage to come back, but with Orks you just have to be on the ball all the time.

They're not an entry level army.

>>52138670
That's the most beautiful thing I've seen all week

>>52138849
> this
they require a bit of min maxing to be truely effective, meme ork armois will be stomped easily

But you will make them laugh

>>52138800
Orks actually manage to beat Nids rather well. They have good anti-air for taking out Flyrants, Lootas provide cheap long-range shooting to kill MCs, and Nids lack a lot of powerful ranged weapons to take out vehicles or MANz, meaning Orks can close the gap and make use of their higher attack volume and weapon skill.

>>52138849
>>52138893

Ork armies are a labor of love.

>>52138681
Heading over to a friend's house like I usually do to enjoy my spare time painting terrain and models together. Doing deathworld forest models and maybe munitorum containers today, and then I'm probably going to work on my Thousand Sons.
Maybe one day we'll get a game in instead of working on these for hours on end. Regardless, I enjoy it.

>>52138681
Sold 2/3ds of my Eldar army, now comes the hard part.

>>52138681
Building Scions.

Still haven't decided how I'm going to build an army out of them when their codex has five units, one of which is a waste of a CAD slot and the other makes me physically ill to look at, but damnit, I love the models and fluff so I'll make it work.

>>52138920

Sounds like you're in love. Have you offered to paint his pubes?

>>52138849
Sort of agree, sort of not.

Orcs have best attacks per points and the cheapest open-topped transports in the game.

And unless you push that very hard you'll die in the current meta.

They have a few expensive options to give invuln saves to multiple units.

And unless you push that very hard you'll die in the current meta.


When you're locked into playing Waac in order to be relevant, it's a pretty shit army.

>>52138941
>one of which is a waste of a CAD slot and the other makes me physically ill to look at

What are you talking about here?

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>>52138942

>>52138956
>Orcs have MOST attacks per points

>>52138958
Presumably Commisar and Taurox.

>>52138974
Got it in one.

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>>52138956

>Orcs

>Orks are an unforgivable army

What the fucking shit

They should be fucking beginner-friendly

>>52138992
Sorry meant Orxz

>>52139003
They are, they give new space marine players a great first experience.

>want to play an apocalypse game but stuck at work

Might just fucking quit

>>52138992
Sorry meant Orrukks

>>52138992
sorry, I meant go'els

>>52138971
That was a failure to English.
It started as "most per X" but I had a syntax error because there isn't more attacks than points.
So I changed it to "least points per attack" but that looked misleading.

Best had to cut it- but considering the hideous weapon choices, yeah I see where you're coming from

>>52139037

What do you do?

>>52138992
Sorry meant Trollocks

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Okay though seriously, it's 6:30 GMT so it probably isn't real if they haven't made a video about it by now.

>>52139029

lol

>>52139003

Space Marines are the best beginner army. They're fairly well rounded, aren't too expensive to field, and are the second easiest army to paint behind Necrons.

IG are also fairly decent but the last thing you want to do to a new player is tell them to go build and paint 80 minis before they can play their first game.

>>52139037
i know that feeling about wanting to quit your job, fuck retail. idk what's worse, uppity customers or uppity managers

>>52138681
biel-tan eldar, fuck white. green looks alright. maybe i'll have my 1k painted by friday and finally get to play them

>>52138956
>you're locked into playing Waac in order to be relevant against other waac armies*
most of the problems with the ork everything only start becoming insurmountable when people start actually optimizing their lists

That's why assault on black reach was actually playable despite the point disparity.

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>>52138720
You're doing God's work by mentioning that. Thank you, Anon

>>52139131
I'd argue that Necrons and Tau are easier.

Necrons are more durable than marines overall, and have very uniform units and fewer special rules. You learn reanimation protocols and Gauss and you've got 80% of the book down. Being so durable makes them extremely forgiving of mistakes as well.

Tau have the advantage of only really needing to learn one phase of the game. No psykers, folding over instantly in melee.

>>52139160
But ruststalkers suck. He should just make more infiltrators.

>>52139122
It doesn't look real to begin with
I mean does that cossack figure look like anything GW has made?

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>>52138849
>Roll dice
>Miss all my shots
>"Damn it, why am I so bad at this game?"

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>>52138681
This is where I'll pick up progress on my Grotesques from yesterday. Need to finish the fluid vials, the pants, and some more details.

>>52139122
Of course it's not real, it's a blurry photo of a kitbash from someone's table.

Reminder that people who say Orks just require skill don't actually play this game.

>>52139202

You also really need to soften up the shading in the lower points in his muscles, right now it just kinda looks like someone drew on him with sharpie.

Why is Eternal Crusade shit?

>>52139176
Necrons I'd agree are probably the most forgiving. You're rarely going to have a unit deleted because you accidentally moved it somewhere you shouldn't.

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>>52139229

>falling for the Eternal Crusade meme

You have no one to blame but yourself

>>52139227
Yeah. I just don't really know how to. I don't want to go in there with a super thin coat of Rakarth Flesh because I'm worried I'll mess up the entire flesh paintjob.

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>>52139195
>not recognizing Demo Man

>>52138770

Ork speed cult is terrifying vs shooty armies.
Mek gunz are great too.
Deff koptas are good for snatching objectives, while being good APC harassment units.
Stompas are decent shooting platforms.

>>52139141
>idk what's worse, uppity customers or uppity managers
Lazy social workers coming in at 9 and letting their retards roam while they have coffe in the cafeteria.

>>52139176

Necrons don't appeal to new players because they aren't relateable.

Also they look boring as shit.

Mechanically you're spot on though.

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>>52139252
>tfw one of my friends nearly convinced me to get it
Dodged a bullet.

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how is this for an absolute newbie who never played a game of 40k in his life?

>>52139252
I don't even play the game,I just wanted to know why everyone says it's shit

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>>52139229
Cheap cash-in game with an IP license.

Ordo Tempestor-themed Republic Commando game when?

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>>52139263
God you're delusional

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>>52139195

>>52139141
Uppity managers definitely. You only have to deal with uppity customers until they're taken care of. But you have to sit there and look that uppity manager in the face every fucking day and resist the urge to deck them.

>>52139287
mek guns and deffkoptas ARE great

>>52139276
As long as you're playing on a relatively small board which you'll probably need due to footslogging, it looks fine.

>>52139282
>that idea
Hnnnnnnnngggghhh

>>52139289
I'm sure the guy charged with painting the ultra-sekret Numarines for pre-release photos has an ancient metal model WIP sat on his work-desk too.

Obviously legit guize.

>>52139282
Oh look, another Imperial Game...

>>52139276
Is this his list or yours?

>>52139181
I think he meant the pdf
also, why do ruststalkers suck? I know the infs are great, I have unit already, but I'm curious.

>>52139276

I'm assuming you just hit the wrong button on accident, but just in case, you cannot use a Landspeeder Storm as a dedicated transport for a Dreadnought, only for your Scouts.

Also, you need metal boxes. Footslogging marines are dead marines, get some Rhinos and Drop Pods.

I don't like combi-weapons but other people probably disagree

Extra Armor on dreads isn't worth it.

Make sure and paint your models.

>>52139282
i want a game where you build nids to send against a gunline to see which form is more effective.

>>52139329

Oh, the work bench is the biggest reason why it seemed fake, until no "Yes that's a leak" video came.

On the other hand, pretty much the only recognisable part on it is that the head is probably from the centurion kit. It's a really good conversion to the point where I figured I'd wait for the prescence or abscence of a video before making an ass of myself by forming an opinion.

>>52139343
Infiltrators inflict more wounds on average with their uzis and cattleprods than ruststalkers and debuff nearby units as well.

>>52139343
>also, why do ruststalkers suck?
no debuff, no guns, less dice thrown in general

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>The new Super Space Marines are being created by the Primarch of the Smurfs
>MFW Primarch is Making Ultra-Ultramarines

>>52139367

>Dread surfing on a land speeder

Considering the mental image, Why isn't this legal?

>>52139367
>the head is probably from the centurion kit
Nah, it ain't. It's what I thought at first, but after pulling out the sprue and comparing, the earpieces are more detailed on the leak.

>>52139176
Try teaching a new player how to manage markerlights though.

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Guy at FLGS playing Orks the other day

>refuses to use Ork words
>calls Deff Dreads "Death Dreads"
>calls Boyz "Soldiers"
>Flash Gitz "Heavy Gunners"
>Lootas "Looters"
>Warboss "Commander" (not even warchief)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

>>52139287

I'm experienced.

>>52139371
>>52139374
so, no matter what army you're facing, you'd go for let's say 2 units of infs rather than 1 infs, 1 rust?
i'm building up small tournament list, and i was planning on going the second option, for diversity

>>52139343

>also, why do ruststalkers suck?

They don't. Not even close. They just take half a brain to use properly instead of being point and click units as make up the meta nowadays.

WAAC is so infectious that people don't even stop to think how to use a unit on the tabletop anymore. Ruststalkers are the backbone of my Skitarii, and they do serious work. The infiltrators are mostly there to secure debuffs to make the Ruststalkers run smoothly.

>>52139396
>"Crap, we've had a leak that's starting to gain more and more attention."
>"Quick, we need to go into full damage control and have those new models painted up and ready to present ASAP! If we don't admit it soon we'll just look like even bigger asshats when we do it later!"

>>52138681
finished asembling my Silver Tower before i hand it out to someone else to paint it, started asembling tzaangors for small AoS army, did not touch t-sons for 40k for last month, feels bad man

>>52139122
Last time someone called custodes release fake right as they announced them, this time it's this.
>>52139396

I don't know if this is a coincidence but it's a glorious one.

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>>52139396
>BIG reveals

plz no

change is scary

>>52139418
so you run them close to each other?

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>>52139392

>stories that never happened for 300, Alex

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>>52139392
I hope you zogged him good anon.

>>52139396
Oh fuck me
Who wants to buy my 1000 points of sisters of battle? I'm done getting fucked over by GW.

>>52139396

Oh that's just trolling given how much the community has been eating itself over a blurry workbench picture.

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Took advice from last thread. List rate?

>>52139396
I can't wait to see what the factions who don't require any more support get given!

Rate the armies in what you think are easiest to hardest to paint.

I'm especially interested in Skitarii, they look really cool but they also look very intricate and I don't want my army to be ugly because I suck at painting.

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>>52139396

It's happening

>>52139122
Because they're going to reveal it next week anyway.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

>>52139412
Yeah, Infiltrators will actually kill even GEQs and MEQs pretty well purely because of their bucket load of high-strength attacks/low-strength with shred shots. Can't into mathhammer so I don't know whether they out-damage Ruststalkers with their power/AP2 weapons, but it makes them pretty versatile.

Knocking a pt of WS, Ld and I of everyone nearby works wonders too. Compared to the Ruststalkers who have what? Furious charge?

>>52139396
>still no new offbrand bretonnians or tomb kings

not like i wanna throw money at a new army GW or how you guys just glossed over them

>>52139472
Anything that's plastic is relatively easy to paint. Then finecast, and the hardest of all are metal models. Your Skitarii probably won't look any worse than if you did Space Marines or Imperial Guard.

>>52139469
Seekers are just plain better daemonettes.

>>52139443

Doesn't need to be that close, with a 12 inch bubble and 40mm base models with a 9 inch move I can cover a huge chunk of the table when I launch my Slaughtersprint and boost their WS to 7 against usually debuffed to 3.

>>52139256
yeah from what ive learned you just have to reeeeally apply reikland super thinly for skin to look good.

>>52139472
Paint.. to not hurt to look at or to make look good.

>>52139396
Age of Guilliman confirmed!

Blurry workbench photo confirmed!

Sell your marine armies quickly, squatted soon!

>>52139499
Muh flayertroupe. This is my first list btw, and I'm trying to be coat effective

>>52139490
TEQs, not GEQs. Of course they kill GEQs, everything kills GEQs.

>>52139515
>Sell your marine armies quickly
nah, I'm good

Neomarines might make good veterans, though. Never been a fan of the tabards.

>>52139511
To make them look about as good as the advertisement photos on the GW store site.

>>52139522
It's more cost effective to buy seekers fro the start than to buy demonettes and then replace them with seekers later.

>>52139509
okay, that works if you run the killclade. but I only have 2 units for now, inf already done, and starting the new one, I'm still trying to decide which one to do

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>>52139396
EBAY YOUR SHIT NOW BECAUSE ITS GETTING SQUATTED
HERE IT COMESSSSSS

Hmm...Could I maybe apply a layer of Reikland to the Rakarth to make a better transition? That way I keep the darker skin in the recesses without running the risk of messing it all up with a thin layer of Rakarth.

Hey friends so I need some help, I'm brand new to chaos and this is what I have one brining chariot built (herald not built yet), one unbuilt burning chariot box, one box of rubrics, 2 boxes of tzangores, and all the dark vengeance stuff. I got this as a gift. What do I do with my list to use as much as I can? I can buy a few things but right now I'd like to keep it minimal. Looking for about 1500

>>52139490
>>52139527
I know, I already make stuff shit their pants when I come charging with my one unit that I have

>>52139396
GW is really doing something wrong when their fanbase is more AFRAID than excited for new announcements.

>>52139548
So should I use units of 5 in a grand clavacade?

Is anyone here has tried Tabletop simulator? It seems relatively cheap.

>>52139396
>Best change ever !
>You're now only allowed to play out game inside a GW store !
>Entry fee is mandatory, as is the per-hour fee
>All your models are now squatted ! Might as well burn them, because there is no use for them any longe
>Burn all those books as well, because we completely overhauled the lore, as well as having a completely new rules system !
>Pledge your firstborn today for early acces !

>>52139396
Why are GW in turbo mode?

>>52139543
The one's painted by a professional studio that does thousands of miniatures?

Necrons>Everything else.

>>52139596
No, but from everything I've seen, people say it's good.

I may get it myself when it goes on sale. Might be able to get games for once...

And if you're concerned about pirate's guilt, only play with models you own IRL.

>>52139596
The whole point of tabletop is to play with someone irl

>>52139594
I think it's because, while fine now, the aos RELEASE was the worst thing in recent memory

>>52139603

Because investors want returns on their investments

>>52139594
Blowing up the old world kind of puts people on edge. I'm looking forward to this, though.

My only worry was the marinesmarines being sigmarine size, and that has mostly been put to rest.

>>52139596
I'm tempted to buy it.
It's the only way I'll be able to play tabletop since nobody here plays fucking anything.

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>>52139491
>there are still people who believe Tomb Kings or Brettonia will come back
>"S-Soon, you'll see! Gw is saving the best for last! it's going to be glorious!"

>>52139614
>concerned about pirate's guilt
GE's got loads of companies begging to make a Online TT for them, they obviously just don't want the money.

>>52139625
And it's working.

>>52139594
Well the only example they've given us is AoS, and that one didn't exactly go down well.
The rules lately also haven't been all that great.

We can only hope that this meant they spend so little time and effort on what has recently be released because they're putting in the hours on a completely new system that is actually amazing to play for multiple audiences, and not just the more-cash-than-intelligence audience.

>>52139491
>expecting bretonia or TK to return
Leave get a job, get wife, have kids with hee, then do something else, they won't comeback and you're losing your time expecting them to return

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Ignoring all the "Sell your squatted Marines :^)" shitposting:

Will this be alright for casual play with my brother and friends? Other alternative I'd probably aim for the Wrathful Crusade, though I'd need like 200€ extra in models and I'm pretty doubtful if that's worth it.

>>52139603
New CEO
Current period of growth for boardgames and tabletop accross the board
Basically they are trying to secure more of the now growing again marketshare

What changes can we expect for 8th? What do you hope for and what do you fear?

I hope for eldar nerf and that templars become relevant.

>>52139630
>>52139620
I would probably put up with any shit they release, but I'm fucking scared my local scene won't and then I'll have no reason to have all these thousands of points of models around.

>>52139472
Skitarii are definately one of the more fiddly to paint, particularly if you follow Duncan's tutorial and build and base them completely before painting, rather than painting then glueing the arms/weapons on, they have so many areas it's hard to get into that need detail.

Muhreens of any flavour are obviously pretty easy. Necrons probably are the easiest of all, you can paint an army to tabletop quality rapidly by just undercoating and dry brushing before picking out a bit of detail.

Orks are forgiving because they're so ramshackle in appearance, any cock-ups tend to look pretty Orky anyway, their armour is painted by Orks, they're not going to stay within the lines all the time either. Plus they're bulky models and all their equipment is thickly constructed and lacks intricate detail, which makes things easier.

Tau have lots of wide, flat surfaces and sharp edges, so they're pretty easy too for beginners, makes deciding what parts need highlighting pretty obvious.

Eldar and Dark Eldar are generally pretty fiddly like Skitarii, though not quite as bad. Harlequins are a nightmare if you actually want them to look like the studio armies/artwork.

Nids aren't too bad, like Orks, you can get away with pretty sloppy paintwork on them.

Guard are a nightmare purely because of the sheer number of models you're going to have to paint. There's a reason most guard armies look shit, no one has the patience to do high-detail on a 100+ models that really need a surprising amount of detail work (webbing, equipment, insignia on uniforms etc etc) to do 'properly', even to your average tabletop standard for other armies.

>>52139630

Was that really put to rest or did you swallow those mongrel posts trying to identify the bits used but being completely wrong

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>>52139594
Not when this is the vocal majority of your fanbase

Are Tau and Eldar players still considered assholes by everyone not-Tau / Eldar?

>>52139680
Always.

>>52139594
>make up rumors
>invent shit
>repeat said shit and rumors
>everyone starts believing

of course people get afraid when they happen to believe bullshit
for a good example check out lefties in US

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>>52139301
medium sized
>>52139335
mine
>>52139346
thanks!

how is this list?
better?

>>52139680
More just faggots and weaboos

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>>52139392
BUT DIS IS ZOGGIN WRONG! WAAAGH!!!

>>52139656
>using a trip for absolutely no reason
Don't give us a bad name, Initiate, and immediately go see your Chaplain to receive your due punishment.

That said: I agree with your hopes.

I don't have a lot of other expectations, but I'd probably blow a load if they'd at least announce that we're getting compact Warscroll-like Datasheets like AoS has them. Those are by far the best thing the game introduced.

>>52138719
>Fool me...can't get fooled again.

It's "Fool me twice...can't get fooled again," for what it's worth.

Having actually had the pleasure of meeting the guy, GWB is a really smart guy who just happens to fall over his own words whenever he's forced to deviate from the script

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>>52139396
>inb4 nids get NOTHING

>>52139594
Except all we've had are rumors so far. GW hasn't actually done anything wrong [/spoiler]yet

>>52139603
New boss + recognition that their market share was slipping.

Plus trying to capitalise on the interest their vidya gaems are producing in the tabletop too.

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>>52139636
>>52139649
why must you hurt me like this anon? i thought we were friends dedicated to shitposting on a Norwegian wood painting forum.

>>52139680
>everyone
No.

But the ones with decent opponents and/or perspective won't be as loud or insistent.

>>52139668
Put to rest.
>trusting jokers who don't know bits

The mostly part is referring to the LMGbolter, which I'm not a fan of at all. Just a weapon swap away, though.

>>52139472
form easiest to look good to hardest
>necrons (silver spray, nuln oil gloss, some drybrushing)
>daemons of nurgle (can be done almost 100% with washes over white primer)
>tau (one dominant colour and 1-2 colours for details)
>space marines (one dominant colour and 2-3 colours for details)
>chaos space marines (like above, just more colours for skulls/horns/spikes/mutations/rust)
>eldars (a lot of round, smooth surfaces, simple colour schemes but most of them includes gradients, freehanding (Biel'Tan) and paiting white)
>Imperial Guard (2-3 colours of uniform + paiting skin on all infantry, lots of simple vehicles)
>orks (after basecoating whole model can be washed with agrax to looks good, but orks have one of the most detailed infantry model in 40k - and you need a lot of boyz)
>skittari/ad'mech (very detailed miniatures, schemes includes freehanding, sub-assemblies almost required to paint cloaks properly)
>harlequins (lots of freehanding patterns and challenging colour schemes)

mentioned ones that I've personally painted

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>>52139739

Yeah, all those people playing Total War:Hammer are going to be in for a big surprise

I think there was a link on the steam page for the game or something saying like, "get the models from the game!" and there was only 6 things left... keke fucking GW, christ

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>>52139614
>And if you're concerned about pirate's guilt, only play with models you own IRL.

And if Aim not concerned...

>>52139596

It's very good.
It takes experience to get used to all the tools, but it's easy otherwise.
Everyone, except one guy, I've played with so far has been a blast.
Recently, a lot of resources for the workshop have been lost because of a fuck up on Dropbox.

>>52139775
Yeah, I saw that.

They derped massively there, TW:W has been a massive success and released pretty much exactly as the entire setting was squatted.

>>52139595
Of six, pleb
> Starting Slaanesh
> Asking how much dudettes per unit
Read your fluff, the WAACshit is there because people won't read the damn fluff part of their codices. (Tho some fluffy armies are pretty damn strong)

>>52139614
>pirate's guilt

It's a source of constant suffering. Being a pirate in Bongistan is terrible.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhdK5Yl8u0

>>52139741
Friends don't let friends live spending their days waiting for something that will never come, open your eyes man!
It's time to move on!

>>52139728
Are updated Malefactors and Dactilys going to be next?
Cortex leeches and Mind Slaves when

>>52139728
FRET NOT!
'Nids will most definitely get nerfed!

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>>52139396
I am legit terrified of what they might do in the next few months

>>52138770
2nd and 3rd

>>52139866
Also,if that's the case,hope it's not yet another double kit

>>52139396
As someone who wants to get into 40k but currently has no army and wants to play an unsupported faction, Adepta Sororitas, this makes me excited and only a little scared.

I pray for a 'Start Collecting! Adepta Sororitas' plastic set.

>>52139708
t.jeb

>>52139949
>t.Jeb!

FTFY

>>52139728
Squatted soon™

>>52139926
>selling stuff that very soon will be squated

Ultragreed

>>52140011
>unstoppable force
>gets shit pushed in by girlyman
can't wait desu

Adding models to a range =/= full, immediate replacement

>>52139926
I really want an Ordo Hereticus army with a mixture of stormtroopers and sisters, I'd buy that in an instant.

I'm hoping Saint Celestine selling/being received well convinced them not to squat the army.

>>52139728
Lot of the fluff blurbs in GS 3 were teasing ork and nids kicking ass though.

Knowing GW ittl just mean we get new models with shit rules.

The worst part about these new announcements is that any and all trace of regular conversation in this shithole is impossible for several days until people got all the shitposting out of their system.

>>52139396
They're just going to be announcing what the next Gathering Storm books will be about

inb4 the ignorant claim its a trilogy

>>52140070
>implying shitposting won't stay
you just need to learn to chat around the shitpost

>>52140088
It's is a trilogy, no more gathering storm.

Next is the Tempest

>>52140088
No more Gathering Storm, there's only three.

Doesn't mean there won't a 'STORM IS GATHERED, NOW IT'S HERE' books.

>>52140112
According to a White Dwarf that was written half a year ago, yes.
According to the guys on their stream, no and news will be forthcoming.

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>>52140131
I was going to say that, but now I can just laugh at your shitty joke

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO


IS Eternal Crusade really dead now that it was released 4 free?

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I had to downgrade the shadow field to a clone field and drop the haywire grenades on my archon and succubus.

Am I stretching my points over too many units?
Should I get rid of a unit to get more wargear?

As I depend on deep striking scourges, night fighting and most importantly, going first, should I actually make my succubus my warlord and gamble for labyrinthine cunning?

Dante book anyone?

Why is Lorgar so awesome?

>>52140260
>released for free

Where? Steam and their official website still have it listed as 20 burgerbucks.

I see in patch notes they talk about sending free codes to people, but only to some people.

>>52140295
[s]He isn't

>>52140366
it's going partly F2P
as in you can play for free but you'll progress slower and some other shit I can't remember

>>52140262
In my experience, units > wargear.

is there any reason Dark Angels would have a land speeder in Greenwing and not painted in a garish black scheme?

>>521403957
But it hasn't happened yet right?

Isn't that very close to the 'free to WAAAAGH' model they talked about when they started?

>>52140415
>>52140395
fat-fingered a 7 after accidentally deleting and replacing the 5

>>52140395
i.e. it's going pay-to-win

>>52140401
Sucessor chapter.

>>52140433
>going
You've been able to buy wargear for "diamonds" since release.

>>52140295
Because he saw The Truth.

>>52140401
No. All the land speeders belong to the Ravenwing so they would be black.
Unless they get those scout landspeeders, those would probably belong to the 10th company.

>>52140295
>Has one job in the Heresy
>Destroy the Ultramarines & capture their fleet
>Takes them totally by surprise on Calth
>Doesn't destroy the Ultramarines
>Doesn't capture their fleet
>His forces get utterly crushed by the Ultrasmurf's counter-attack and he ends up losing a similar proportion of his forces as he managed to inflict on the enemy
>Forces from Imperium Secundus are eventually what forces Horus to lower the Vengeful Spirit's shields and go toe-to-toe with the Big E, resulting in Chaos' defeat

ONE JOB

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I love the Sisters of Battle models but I can't paint them for shit. I'd orgasm with joy if they came out with plastic models even if I just spent an incredible amount of money on a 1000 point all metal army.

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>Play Fortunate Son on full volume on my phone as my Valkyrie reserves come in on turn 2
>LGS manager tells me to turn it off because 'it's disturbing the other players'

Why are GW staff so anti-fun?

>>52139695
If you're using it to teacha newbie, I'd get that land speeder back in and teach him the value of mobile non transport units

>>52140565
>I love the Sisters of Battle models but I can't paint them for shit. I'd orgasm with joy if they came out with plastic models

Why? it's easier to strip metal when you fuck up.

>>52140527
On the bright side, at least he stopped Angron's inevitable death

>>52140584
Because that's a lie. You'll never paint as well over a stripped model as a new, clean one. And honestly, metal models are a bit of a pain.

>>52140568
because no music sounds good with 400% distortion on a tinny phone speaker.

You need to converts you valks with wing-mounted speakers, or failing that, door mounted ones.

>>52140609
>that's a lie

So plastic is easier to strip?

>>52139741
It's gone brother and it won't comeback, they have forsake us, turn back now that you can, be free from this shackles.

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(reposting because I enjoy fucking up image filetypes)
So...I was just mucking about on /wsg/ and I noticed something about Hibiki from Symphogear...

Who pulled off the pose better?

>>52140632
No I mean stripping models is pointless because it won't help you paint them better because all the paint in the details stays clogged in no matter how many hours you let the models sit in your regular paint stripping fluids.

>>52140568

>"That's Vietnam music... can't we get our own music?"

>>52140650
Weebshit get out REEEE

Celestine.

When the fuck is Season 4 coming, holy shit I need more lesbian fisting.

>>52140632
He's right about the second part, if you fuck up either plastic or metal, you can't really start over without having issues. Stripping is never as good as a new model.

At least plastics are cheaper to outright replace, and easier to paint in the first place.

>>52140669
you gotta scrub too mang.

>>52140650
Wing Gundam Zero

>>52140588
>saving the brain dead retard that needs to have a babysitter at all time or fuck everything up
The world eaters would have been better if Angron died and went on under Horus's direct command.

>>52140650
The Patron Saint of Thiccness does it better, she's got actual weapon, she's wearing armour rather than a minidress, so she looks more badass.

Also flocks of ghost-doves > clouds of dandruff.

I wish they'd given her natural wings though.

>>52139708
This. Live in Dallas. Bumped into him at Central Market off of Greenville by pure chance (apparently he lives(d) in highland park). He made time to speak with me for like 10 min. Didn't seem like a dumb guy at all. I think he's just A nervous public speaker and got a bad wrap for it.

>>52140717
he's not braindead he's brain damaged.

>>52140616
This is a good idea.

>>52140720
Hibike is practically equipped with a Twin-Linked pair of Power Fists, though. Those are pretty good weapons.

>>52140729
Most of the mockery came from the general media and comedians who hated his politics. Both groups are just as untrustworthy and biased as politicians.

He seems like a decent guy in general if you looked behind the 'Hurr Dubya' memes.

>>52140729
Not even a bad public speaker, just bad at reading other's speeches and talking about shit he doesn't know himself.

>>52139594
Age of Sigmar and what they did to Fantasy has a lot of long time fans upset, and they are worried about more heavy handed changes to a setting they like.

>>52140693
I spent two years scrubbing and stripping to save a tuppence per model and it was not worth it. There are two possible outcomes: either the detail stays clogged with old paint or you scrub the detail straight off.

>>52140770
>S3
>Powerfists
>Good weapons

Ardent Blade is better. Armourbane motherfuckers.

>>52140806

What are you using to strip your models? I routinely strip with Isopropyl alcohol and never have that problem.

>>52140738
Might as well be, he lets the Nails do his thinking for him.

He never shows any leadership or tactical acumen.

He abandons his own bodyguard in battle, you couldn't even say he's leading his men by example, since most of the time they don't even know where he is.

Every battle in Betrayer is basically the World Eaters running around like headless chickens, occassionally chainaxing someone, shouting 'Has anyone seen the Primarch!?'

>>52140806
Not for me, My trick was a rough, a second and a fine soak.

Bought one army, spent the next couple of years bartering my way to bigger (shit painted) armies.

>>52140837
>Isopropyl alcohol

Do you water it down at all or straight from the bottle? Also, what do you do about the smell afterwards?

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>Official kit when
Also, can I give my fallen champion the heavy weapon or is that not allowed?

>>52140837
I used some European stuff that was recommended for plastic models, similar to "Simple Green" I think. I even tried picking the stuff out of crevices with a toothpick but it didn't help with painting any.
It might be that metal details are more susceptible to clogging or something too, I guess. It sure feels like it between painting my sisters, marines and imperial guard.

>play Grey Knights
>the elite of the elite
>"oh hey there's now new marines who are even more elite"

ffffffffffffffuck

Leave my gimmick alone, GW.

>>52140864

Straight from the bottle - let it soak for at least 4 hours. Never had a single issue with smell, just goes away naturally and gets covered by priming and the like.

I just give them a gentle scrub with a toothbrush after the soak then let them dry for at least 2 or 3 hours before I touch them.

>>52140904

Alright, and is this with metal or plastic models?

>>52140865
Unless it says 'one model' over the heavy weapon options, then no.

>>52140898
In 40k, there's always a bigger Sue.

>>52140898
If this helps you, both of them are different kinds of "Elite" and the Grey Knights will always be more of an army than the Custodes.

But the Custodes' models are pretty fucking dope

>>52140898

Your gimmick is killing daemons. You're Paladins In Space. You're not elite for the sake of elite, that's why your troops are still marine statlines. You get cool anti-chaos gear because you're basically the chaos exterminators.

Playing 1k campain, from the 4th ed rule book. Would i be doing right with 1k death company force?

>>52140802
I mean, he also traded away Sammy Sosa. That kind of makes you an easy target of stupid jokes. Just ask WCW about Steve Austin.

>>52138681
Painting my crimson hunter and burna bomba from the Stormcloud attack box.

>>52140939

Both - haven't tried it with Finecast but it works fine with plastics and metals.

>>52140991

Cool, thanks. Gonna give it a shot

>>52140972
>Your gimmick is killing daemons
Yeah, and we can't even do that properly.

>>52140898
>elite of the elite
>what are Custodes
>what are Assassins
Your gimmick is killing daemons. You're the space marine inquisition

Is there a revised orks points cost list anywhere that balances them for current ed?

>>52140976
Team owner <> Team manager

>>52140868
Did you make sure no air got at the models and fluid?

Contact with air makes the agents... go inactive a lot faster.

freezer bag, models, thick solution, squeeze air out and then a knot or better, one of those clamps for plastic bags, leave a day or so.

The scrub, do NOT rinse first or it'll stop the agent working and make let some paint re-adhere.

Repeat if necessary, otherwise soak in alcohol for another day.

>>52141044
Since when has the inquisition's gimmick been killing Daemons instead of just killing everyone who even looks at them?
>>52141060
In the ork codex.

Speaking of the Custodes release, what will be good armies that don't rely on psykers to incorporate Sisters of Silence into? Will they even be worth it over an allied Culexus?

>>52141075
>current ed orks
>remotely good

>>52141075

The GKs gimmick is killing daemons. They're just Inquisition specialists.

>>52140691
>Stripping is never as good as a new model.
EXCEPT on metal, because you can use the heavy duty shit.

If you're having trouble stripping paint on metal, you're doing it wrong.

>>52141064
Team owner has final responsibility for all financial dealings in the company. It's literally on their contract. Ducking that responsibility and blaming others just makes him look even dumber for not understanding where the buck stops.

keywords

- new specialized adeptus astartes option/faction
- not replace actual ones
- more "Faster" and more "bravery", but not much bigger than "some" current Astartes


...


Smash da 'umies!

>>52141075
GK are (were? haven't read any of their 5e onwards codices) all about executing anyone who knows about chaos and isn't part of their order too

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RATE ME

>>52141083
Maybe I'm just an asshole but I think if you can't play by official rules then you just shouldn't play. I always get annoyed when stupid people think they can do the rules better than stupid people who actually work at GW.
I won't even touch the "9th edition" fan-warhammer-fantasy-but-not-really thing because even if it's the best table-top fantasy game because it hasn't got any miniatures or background support behind it.

>>52141109

Source???

>>52141124

Astartes who see them just get mindwiped (except from "select chapter masters"). Guardsmen just get blammed.

>>52141149
>I think if you can't play by official rules then you just shouldn't play

The rule book says you can change what you like if the opponant agrees.

>>52141149
I don't think I can do a better job, which is why I asked if anyone knew of someone who'd done a better job. Also, the rulebook says do whatever you want so long as your opponent agrees.

>>52141092
I think a lot of delegation happens and I think many owners are simply owners and leave it to others to financially manage a team. Just like in other businesses. Owners provide the capital but hire people they trust to actually run things, the owners usually don't have the time for such minutiae and have already gone through all of that to get to their lofty position in the first place, they've paid their dues. Simply, opinions differ.

>>52141145
i2/10

>>52141145
why all the burnas?

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>>52138849
They fold to serious lists and players that can exploit the Ork codex tendency to hurt itself.

They have a few exploitable back line units but they lack point effectiveness and the proper tools to fight power units (RIP bustaz in melee) and their inherent fragility makes countering ork army specialists fairly easy to a knowledgeable player.

Target saturation doesnt mean a whole lot when the interactions between vehicles and mob rule makes killing specialized ork units absurdly easy.

Large mobs dont mean a whole lot to elite enemy units that can keep a kill zone open in HtH or focused shooting / pie plates and besides our specialists dont get them anyhow.

Orks were decent until the tanbusta nerf when they could blitz big stuff. Now all this orks is fine BS just leads me to think a bunch of new ork players are doing well in a casual meta or arent using the negative rules interactions right.

Also mek guns and lootaz arent as good as they used to be due to the amount of charge after deep strike in the game now although they still are some of the strongest ork units.

Yes you can bubble wrap or support them in a wagon (possibly with a KFF Manz mek) but that leads full circle back to points effectiveness to support an expensive unit with a tshirt save thats going to beat itself to death with mob rule when you pop any transport its in.

They are a good army played with skill, but youd be foolish to think they dont currently have a plateau set in place by poor rules interactions and point cost bloat / fragility.

>>52141200
Because I fucking love AP3 in combat even if its at I2.

Fuck normal burna shit.

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How does my Deathwatch force at 2000 look? Somewhat of a first attempt at figuring out formations within the army.

Deathwatch:

Black Spear Strike Force:
Command: Elites: Venerable Dreadnought w/ Assault Cannon and Extra Armor 145pt

Core: Troops: Veteran Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Melta; 2 Heavy Bolters 275pt

Trans: Rhino w/ Extra Armor 40pt

Auxiliary: Trans: Corvus Blackstar w/ Infernium Halo Launcher, Extra Armor, and Hurricane Bolters 205pt

Core: Strategium Command Team:
HQ: Deathwatch Captain w/ Xenophase Blade, Grav Pistol, Storm Shield, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs, and The Tome Of Ectoclades 190pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Power Sword, Melta Bombs and Combi Plasma; Blackshield w/ a Powerfist and Storm Shield, 2 Frag Cannons, and 2 Shotguns 345pt

Core: Aquila Killteam:
HQ: Librarian w/ ML2 and Melta Bombs 100pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Power Sword; 4 Stalker Pattern Boltguns 155pt

Trans: Razorback w/ TL Lascannon and Extra Armor 80pt

Oathsworn Detachment:
Knight Crusader w/ Thermal Cannon, Avenger Gatling, Stormspear Rocket Pod, and Meltagun 470pt

2000pt

>>52141203
>They are a good army played with skill,

Nice meme, friend.

What exactly is it you think requires skill?

>>52141171
And while we're at it why not just roll a D6 and see who wins?

>>52141246
Picking your opponent

>>52141109
Astartes aren't brave at all though.

>>52141252
>these two are exactly the same, yep, no hyperbolic statements here.

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>>52141225
>Getting into combat in 7e
>With AV10 transports

>>52141044
Actually the Red Hunters are the Space Marine =][=.

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>>52140946
So yes? I am still not sure

>>52141246
Should have said decent.

Did you read the whole thing im saying orks are weak to good players who know what to target and how to exploit their rules against them.

Its just no matter what you do you end up paying too many points for something too fragile, even the thngs that are supposed to be tough like ManZ or Ard boyz with a Doc, you end up paying too many points for something too fragile.

>>52141281

You can easily if you have any skill

>>52141289
Fallen champion has his own weapon options.

>>52141278
SPACE MARINES CHARGING OUT OF RHINOS
ELDAR AND DELDAR LIVING TOGETHER
MASS HYSTERIA

>>52141289
Fallen and Fallen Champion are two different guys. Since only Fallen can take heavy weapons, champion cant.

>>52141294
>gets hit with basically anything
>falls to pieces
darn, if I get better at this game, surely this won't happen next time!

>>52141234
http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator
Use this to make your list and use the post space to describe your plan.

This new marines thing doesn't sound that bad after all. Kinda like a new special division like Grey Knights
The fact that they're made of RG geneseed seems kinda redundant what with Ultramarines and all. Also they need to have a defined role and not just elite elites since that is redundant again bc of Custodes
And sauce on this?
>>52141109

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>>52141313
>>52141311
Thats what I figured, fuck

>>52138849
>be riptide
>180 points

>be gorkanaut
>275 points

hmm surely my high levels of skill will negate this

I ve read RoP. Wow, that was underwhelming...

>>52138651

wanna start an Ork-Army.
Some tips for casual matches?

>>52141380

What was most interesting and most disappointing for you?

>>52141385
Tell the Nid player that Crud fucked his mother

Now fight to the death in tabletop and irl

>>52141246
For orks? More than most armies, but thats usually just a desperate attempt to cover the ork weaknesses.

Layering assaults to try to protect valuable units while keeping them in melee distance, Vehicle facing, Managing bubble coverage (Thanks GW), managing los and weapons ranges (Not like orks have a whole lot of shooting), getting off charges (So important with orks.)

The usual stuff you know about if you actually play 40k.

>>52138770

There was a (very) brief period at the start of 5th edition where Orks were almost meta for a period. Nob Bikers did very well, and Battlewagons with Deffrollas were surprisingly staple in the competitive scene for a time.

Orks though got left behind as 5th progressed and updates like Necrons, Grey Knights and Space Yiffs came out. By the time 7th hit Orks were well below the base line, and then they got their 7th ed update which kicked their teef in. That wouldn't have been so bad if shortly afterwards GW didn't decide to start pumping out powered-up codices like Necrons and Eldar.

>>52141377
>be wraithknight
>be 295 points.

>>52141459
Only because they were a fearless horde army in a parking lot meta, it wasnt due to orks being powerful in their own right.

>>52141472
>have ranged Strength D
>have melee Strength D
>be gargantuan creature
>be rape on legs

>>52141472
>aeldari

>>52141377
How to fix orknauts:

Assault Vehicle
Super Heavy Walker

There.

>>52138751

He looks cool af in the coldstar suit, just say that he doesn't have the upgrade unless your opponents are puritans

Ork faq

Q: In Codex: Orks, Mad Dok Grotsnik has both a cybork body, giving the Feel No Pain (6+) special rule, and dok’s tools, which give Feel No Pain (i.e. 5+) to all models in his unit. Do the bonuses stack?
A:
No. His dok’s tools confer Feel No Pain so he doesn’t need the Feel No Pain (6+) from his cybork body. Did we mention that he’s mad?

this piece of the QnA sums it all up perfectly for orkz

>>52140262
Drop the Unit Leader upgrades, they're a point sink for DE.

You're better off dropping the s u c c and buying a venom for those kabalites.

Take advantage of a WWP for either the Haemy or the Archon. You can use this to drop Scourges perfectly, or drop the blasterborn perfectly.

Reavers are a bit better with blasters because they're more reliable, and the Champion upgrade isn't really worth it.

Side note you're better off taking blasterborn in a venom if you're not giving them a splinter canon with splinter racks in that raider.

what would the primarchs be like if they played 40k?

who would be the most fun to play against, the best, the most easily salty, most WAAC, best painted?

>>52138800

Depends.

Orks are the most vulnerable army to Fear and Nids have a lot of it thanks to MCs. The lack of invul saves on Orks means that Nid MCs ignore Ork saves in combat, which in turn means that challenges are suicide for Ork characters. The Swarmlord is downright terrifying against Orks.

However, Ork shooting tends to be better than Nid shooting, and Ork vehicles are more survivable against Nid armies due to their poor shooting. Walkers against Nids can be devastating. They're literally the one army that struggles to deal with the Orkanauts; AV13 in close combat is rough for Nids, who generally have to Smash to try and get through it. Carnifexes can work but Orks can often dakka them down. So Dread Mob is surprisingly effective vs Nids.

All up it's a pretty even matchup, and generally an enjoyable one. Unless the Nid player goes full tourny mode and slaps down 5 flying Tyrants, but that's another matter.

>>52141503

Nob Biker lists weren't horde or Fearless (at least not past the first round). But they were the list that was showing up at the tournaments for much the same reason Thunderyiff Cavalry do; at the time they were survivable, fast and quite killy. Permanent 4+ cover save in an era before Ignore Cover was handed out like free heroin samples, T5 FNP with 5++ invuls and a T6 character tanking high strength shots. With a good mix of Power Klaws and Big Choppas. They were strong in their own right.

>>52141556
"Dear Ork players, eat shit"-GW

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>>52141563

>>52141563
Girlyman would be the worst loser and the most WAAC because he's everything that's the worst with 40k already.

>>52141556
He's really fired up!

>>52141535
Fixes nothing, just means the six turns it spends on the board it lasts. No changes to firepower or melee potential. But at least your Nobs get there in one piece.

>>52141563
waac perty or fagrim

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>>52141528

>>52139708
>GWB
>really smart
>ran like 3 companies into the ground when born into a family of billionaires
>Harvard C student when daddy paid off school & professors
>made Dan Quayle look like Stephen Fucking Hawking
>cocaine & alcohol abuse causes extensive neural damage later in life

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>>52141584
Message got deleted. But I was basically just saying this is the man who would be WAAC

Octarius War 2.0 fucking when

>>52141621
No need to repeat it, Orks won pretty decisively.

>>52141563
didn't HH mention pert playing table top army simulations or is that a 1d4chan meme?

>>52141633
Orks won?

>>52141397
Your mean in a best/worst scene sense?

I liked the greyfax/celetine team up. That was cool. Foreseeable but cool because it was the only character development in all three books.
Then the harlequin fights. I can't get enough of those.
The I-need-some-robbie-time was also an authentic scene imho.
And finally the Sisters of silence fight was badass.

In the other hand, cypher was just useless. Literally. The whole Story would have worked with veilwalker in cyphers place.
Then, that Yvraine waited weeks und months of robbies military campaign total get the margragg system back before they fucked off. Why the fuck?
The whole maelstrom Story Arc was Boring as fuck.
Finally of course the end.

>>52141621
Its over ended up being an ork plot point, nids are concentrating on eating Baal.

Still wont get any buffs from it.

>>52141633
They didn't though. Ghaz drove the Tyranids out of the Ork capital world in the sector but the Tyranids Hivemind responded by directing two tendrils at the planet.

The sector is still in grip of war. Ghaz just turned a losing war for the Orks unto a stalemate.

>>52141621
>>52141633
A tendril of Leviathan is getting diverted there by the imperium due to low manpower thanks to cadia.

Octarius war is ongoing

>>52141668
sauce?

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>>52141662

>NPC races crying for buffs

>>52141660
I don't know about that, I just hate him because of what Ward did with Ultramarines around 5th edition.

>>52141662
Different Tendrils, idoita.

Cryptus Tendril =/= Octarius Tendrils

The bulk of Leviathan is still fighting the Orks.

>>52141652
Nope.

>>52141563
>Most fun to play against
Horus, Sanguinius, maybe the Khan

>the best
Horus, Lion, or Guilliman

>the most easily salty
Angron, Lion, Perturabo

>most WAAC
Lion, Fulgrim

>best painted
Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Corax