CHAOS ORKS CHAOS OOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS

Have always existed, same with Chaos Eldar.

>>52129728
>chaos eldar
What the fuck are you saying?)

>>52129754
Read the RoC. There's rules for making eldar chaos champions

>>52129714
have existed since the first fucking edition.

As a matter of fact many stormboyz worship Khorne.

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>>52129714
Stormboyz were originally Khorne worshippers

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>>52129754
Croneworld Eldar who worship Chaos in order to survive or because they just want to.

>>52129775
>>52129766
Source on the Khornate Stormboyz claim?

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>>52129789
WAAARGH: Da Orks
and
'ERE WE GO

the first two ork codex equivalents

>>52129754
Eldar who were trapped on the worlds that were swallowed by the EoT. They're still around, or were recreated from Warp stuff.

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>>52129789
Not all Stormboyz, I mean, dem gits are weird, wot wif all dere marchin' and such.

But da Khornate Stormboyz, dey'z just mad. Dey kill even when it ain't funny (which ain't oft'n I admit) and even worse, dey don't laff when they do it! They kill not coz dey orks, not coz it's fun, but coz of dis big red git.

Now, ded ard gitz in a fight. So dey'z not that bad.

>>52129888
>that middle finger icon on the last ork

nice

>>52129714

Chaos Grey Knight mirror match!

>>52129983
Believe it or not, that's the Orkish pictoglyph for "god."

Which pretty much tells you what the Orks think of gods in general.

>>52130039

I thought Grey Knights are so pure they can't fall to Chaos? Or have things changed since I last played at the beginning of 4th edition with a 3rd Edition Daemon Hunters codex?

>>52130221
>I thought Grey Knights are so pure they can't fall to Chaos?

They have runes inscribed in their bones to protect their souls and if they should fall to Chaos I believe the same runes explode.

>>52130221
Yeah. There's a subplot where a tzetch deamon is trying. But none have ever fallen as of yet.

>>52129754

>tfw GW will never release Crone World Eldar rules alongside Laser Dinosaurs, Fuck Yeah! Eldar rules (ie. Exodites)

Seriously feels bad, man.

>>52129714
>Tau, Necrons, and Tyranids are exempt from daemonic possession

What? That doesn't make sense.

>>52129888
>Orks are melee race!
>I2
>BS4

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>>52130405

Ork players are the worst

>>52130405
Necrons and Tyranids I understand, but there's no such thing as Chaos-corrupted Tau? Really? That's never happened ever? I find that a little hard to believe.

>>52131203
Tau dont have souls

>>52131238
Tau can be affected by warp possession, but they're naturally resilient

If you consider the Fire Warrior novelization canon, a lot of it is O'Kais being affected by khorne influence until he becomes Tau Rambo, but it doesn't make him ragecage.

>>52131203
>>52131238
Tau do have souls, its just so small and pathetic demons dont care about them.

Eldar souls are like a delicious gourmet food.
Human souls are like a nice cheeseburger.
Tau souls are your sloppy 99 cent ramen cup, reheated after its been in the freezer for a couple of days.

>>52131309
>horne influence until he becomes Tau Rambo,

That did not happen. Read the novel agaon.

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So why is it that chaos can't corrupt Necrons and Nids?

Crons are basically soulless machines, so am I right in thinking that any chaos influence on them would basically just be a temporary magical effect on them, and wouldn't really leave a permanent taint?

Why can't Tyranids be corrupted?
Is their hivemind just too strong?

Tau are obviously incorruptible because anime fightan robots, so that checks out.

>>52131398
>Crons are basically soulless machines, so am I right in thinking that any chaos influence on them would basically just be a temporary magical effect on them, and wouldn't really leave a permanent taint?

Their physical bodies can technically become corrupted (though it's extremely difficult, due to the nature of Necrodermis and its natural resistance to the Warp) but they have absolutely nothing to offer a Daemon to justify the possession. Any taint they have would be a side-effect of proximity to the Warp, and would not allow for use by a Daemonic being like a souled being would.

Tyranids are basically organic Necrons - while their flesh can be warped and changed, they have no souls because they are a hive-mind, and have nothing to offer a Daemon to justify possession.

Tau really should be able to be corrupted by Chaos, but to their credit the AI and wargear of the Tau are far, far more likely to be corrupted than a Tau is because of the proto-sentience of their tech and the fact that their souls are little more than glitter-flecks in an ocean.

>>52131398
>Why can't Tyranids be corrupted?
>Is their hivemind just too strong?
I think there are a couple cases of Nids being corrupted by Chaos, but the only ones I can think of involved a small splinter fleet flying right into a warp rift and being radically changed in every way. So yes, the hive mind is too strong, because the Shadow In The Warp drowns out all but the very strongest Warp interference.

>>52130617
It was a different time, where Imperial Guard Generals were S4 T4.

>>52129714
Chaos 'nids when?

>>52130221
Something something Kaldor Draigo.

>>52131319
>>52131309
>>52131238

This is fucking wrong and always has been. Tau do have souls, they are just so shitty that the Chaos Gods don't care. They aren't resilient, they are a tiny fucking candle next to the bonfire of a human and the wildfire of an Eldar.
And you don't need a soul to become possessed anyway. There are possessed cars, for fuck's sake. Which is why chaos tyranids have been a thing, to an extend. They are just a blob of flesh with a demon riding it.
The only thing maybe, possibly exempt from that are Necrons. And that's a huge maybe.

>>52130405
You can't corrupt something without a soul.

reminder that ancient daemon prince crone eldar chaos champions are the most powerful beings in warhammer

>>52129888
Nice Khornate trips, an spot on.

De uvva gits, dey hav de okkasional ork who follows dem, or at least it could do (see >>52129780)

You gots dem madboys who follow dat birdy git, ho, you fink you seen mad, you ain't seen nuffin 'til you see one of dem - dey's madder than a squig wot got kicked into the drops, an always mutterin' to demselfs "jus as planned".

Dey's like a walkin zzapp gun in a fight tho, which is pretty funny, and dey's quite blue, so dey got some funky luck. 'Til it runs out, anyways, which it always does.


Den dere'z deze uver gits, dey'z big and dey'z really green, but not in a good way - like wen you have to go to da doc cos somefin's rotting off - and dey zoggin' stink. And dey's dumb, real dumb, like a grot.

Dey are ard to kill doh


And de uvver git, well, no-one's ever seen a purple ork, right?
But I heard dey like fightin. Like, really, really like fightin, even more dan wot's naturul

>>52135364
Saved. Thank you, sir, that was hilarious.

>>52130405
actually they're not. they just can't take whatever option is listed on the rest of the page.

>>52131930
tyranids can be physically corrupted. like a dog or a rock.
but they'll never be corrupted in the sense of worshiping chaos or trying to summon deamons and shit.

>>52129780
I gotta admit, the concept of nurgle orks is fucking terrifying.

>>52135064
>>52136248
As a nidfag, the idea of a Khornate mutated Carnifex is pretty neat, sorta like those looted fexs you see.

>>52136325
i don't think carnifexes' brains can feel the thrill of slaughter, blood and taking skulls what's the point

>>52135336
The Emperor is the strongest.

I almost want to use Adversary St Celestine as Miriael Sabathiel at the head of corrupted space marines (As St Celestine can be added to any Armies of the Imperium group)

But then, painting up that for the single game against grey knights I'd actually get to use it seems pointless.

>>52129714

Anyone have the full rules for that?

>>52136345
Meant more like those daemon mounts you see bloodleters ride for example.

>>52136356
Do it anyway, and just ask the player if it's okay.

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>>52130405

You can have demonicaly possessed leaders for any faction. You cannot upgrade every faction leaders to be psykers though.

>>52136374

I have this. All I have though.

>>52136345
Well obliviously you will have to put a demon inside it to do the feeling part.
Or you mute it a brain that can.

Most of the time chaos must add the killing part to the thinking part to have a nice murder thingy, but here maybe they have to do the opposite?

>>52131398
Because those are the two mistake armies that should not be in 40k to begin with and still should be removed now.

>>52136668
but chaos is partly formed from the killing part you're talking about. why would it need to add it back?

>>52131398
>Why can't Tyranids be corrupted?
>Is their hivemind just too strong?
To corrupt them you have to remove the hivemind and take its place. Or I would say tyranids are defined by their hivemind, so from a certain point of view they wouldn't really be tyranids anymore. It would be like possessing somebody arm after severing it.

>>52136697
>but chaos is partly formed from the killing part
In the large scheme of things, yes. Locally chaos can corrupt perfectly inert things with killing juice coming from elsewhere.

Beside, when chaos corrupt something inert (like a sword or a vehicle), it doesn't need it to feel anything, the feels of its users/victims can be enough.

So in case of a carnifex, as long as the hive mind isn't interfering and even if its brain couldn't process the thrill of killing (which is arguable), it could still be corrupted through another source or through the feelings attached to it by others. Then, why not mutate it to make its killing joy self sustaining?

>>52129827
>>52129888
>Jackbooted Ork Khornate literal Storm fags

The Day of the Dakka will soon be upon us! The Fourth Waaaaaaaggggh shall last 10000 years! The Armageddon Putsches were only the beginning! Sieg Kaiser Ghazghull! Sieg Kaiser Ghazghull! Blood und Skulls! Skulls und Blood!

>>52136601

Thanks. That's very cool.

Man, that's a LOT of free level 1 psykers for some forces. Mind you, I've zero clue how good Daemonology is, I've never played with it.

>>52136831
It's got three drawbacks.
One, you need a lot of warp charges. Not hard if you're suddenly able to take a pile of ML2 psykers; see, Guard with a lot of regimental advisors.
Two, you peril on any doubles... Except not any more, because you get Daemon for free.
Three, the summoned Daemons are normaly Desperate Allies or worse to most factions... Except not any more, now they're Allies of Convenience and One Eye Open no longer matters.

Tl;dr the daemonic adversaries rules do nothing but fuck over the GK player.

>>52136889

Right. Guess I'll have to drag up the list of powers and see what they are.

ML2 Celestine sounds fucking hillarious (And with her innate adamantium will it makes her even more silly resistant to psyker powers)

>>52136601
So free invulnerable saves, fear and Psychic Mastery Levels. Did they even look at this? I would have made the daemon upgrade 20 points, the first mastery level with Daemon 45 points and two mastery levels with daemon 70 points.

>>52139200

It's supposed to be 'Balanced' by the fact that Grey Knights fuck up demons with favoured enemy/nemesis force weapons.

But then you get shit like Daemonic St Celestine or basically any HQ model with Eternal Warrior and ask how many fucks they give about Nemesis Force weapons.

I find it funny that basically all the best options to make Daemonic are imperial. You know what needed to be tougher to kill? Cawl. That sounds good.

>>52139402
Cawl wouldn't become any tougher, he would just gain fear since he already has a 5++ invulnerable save. That being said, the upgrades should be barred from the Armies of the Imperium, that I agree with.

>>52139457

Really? He sounds like the Warlord of the army most likely.

That 3++ on the warlord sounds mighty nice on him.

>>52139402
>basically all the best options to make Daemonic are imperial. You know what needed to be tougher to kill? Cawl. That sounds good.
The dark mechanicum are usually too busy making shit for warbands and the remnants of the Traitor Legions, but when they do go to war they're pretty horrific - Scoria was one of their first members, and they take cues from him.

Also I imagine, rather thematically, that some high-end eldar heroes are pretty rapetastic when daemonifed - consider the Phoenix Lords or a Solitaire, for example

>>52139468
Invulnerable saves from multiple sources don't stack. The only exception is the Mark of Tzeentch.

>>52139507

They don't but a 3++ is better than his current 5++ so he'll take the better.

>>52139611
Where is he getting the 3++ save from? Daemon only grants a 5++ save.

>>52139627

From the rules here: >>52136601

>The adversary's warlord gains the Daemon, Fleshbane, Armourbane and Smash special rules as well as a 3+ Inv save.

>>52139657
Wow. Makes for incredibly overpowered Warlords as well. Equip them entirely with ranged weapons and two close combat/pistols weapon and it's like they are always equipped with two chainfists without unwieldy. Even squishy Eldar and humans become incredibly tough with a 3++ save.

>>52139726

Yep. It's why I was talking about Celestine. Because with all her other bullshit survival stuff she REALLY needed to up that 4++ to a 3++ and gain access to Str 8 AP 2 melee attacks.

Oh and you know, be a psyker.

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>>52130405
Tau aren't likely, but I could still see it happening.

Necrons are obviously off the hook because they have no souls to possess, and very little for the Chaos Gods to latch on otherwise - Necrons don't have many excesses or senses of pleasure, their stratagems are just doing the motions of plans from millions of years ago, their warfare is done by rote and without anger.

The Tyranids don't have much emotion to latch on to obviously, beyond the instinctive. No blood but acidic alien ichor, no scheming beyond alien cunning, any plague will be defeated by rapid evolution and immunity, and there's nothing to tempt. And while this is just guesswork, I imagine the Hive Mind is the equivalent of an electric fence for the Chaos Gods. You can go ahead and try and grab it, but there's so much energy constantly moving back and forth that they'll get shocked by it.

>>52135260
Cars have souls though. Codex Chaos Marines says that typically, even the smallest scalpel has a reflection in the warp.

>>52131398

Because Nids are C'tan product, in fact Outsider product

Don't you think that Kerrigan/Tsara'Noga woundn't be pissed if she discovers that everyone in the galaxy, even her own brothers fooled and banished her out?

woudn't you think that SHE is the real Hive mind of the Nids?

>>52131398
Chaos Necrons should be a thing.
Demons posses inanimate objects like vehicles all the time.

>>52136601
>play guard with priests and commissars
How do I hold all these psykers?!

As a grey knight player, this shit is stupid. We're better at fighting daemons, but this makes them so much more powerful it basically nerfs us.

>>52140328
But Necrons aren't just inanimate, they're almost anti-Warp.

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>>52129754

>>52140384
>they're almost anti-Warp.
Where does it say that?
Wouldn't have have some army wide anti-demon anti-psyker stuff if that where the case?

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>>52140404

>>52140328
>Chaos Necrons should be a thing

BRING BACK CHAOS ANDROIDS

>>52140328
>Demons posses inanimate objects like vehicles all the time.

only with lots of hard work from warp smiths

>>52140209
Nope. Rhinos etc have Machine Spirits that can be corrupted. For a daemon to possess an odinary groundcar would require Warpsmith to perform a ritual of binding.

>>52140478
But Chaos Androids were never Necrons, they were man-made.

>>52129714
>Can't pick genestealer cults

Very odd, considering in the GSC codex there is a blurb about a cult being corrupted by Nurgle.

>>52140414
The C'tan couldn't interact with the warp or understand it, they've had technology that keeps the Warp at bay like the pylons on Cadia...

>>52140422
Are they all Slaaneshi or do other gods get Eldar slaves as well?

>>52141290

Nurgle already has one

>>52129714
>3+ invuln
CHAOS ORKS YES PLEASE
WE NEED THIS

>>52140740
Everything in 40k has a machine spirit. As demonstated by techpriests being able to unjam lasguns without touching them.
Are non-AI machine spirits souls? I dunno.

>>52129714
>Kroot and Gue'vesa are immune to daemonic possession.
The greater good truly reigns supreme.

>captcha wants me to stop on red.
That's way too unorky.

>>52140740
If the tiniest scalpel in the warp has a reflection in the warp, what could possibly convince you to believe cars don't?

>>52129714
Actually it's just Ork Kommandos using this as cover to get close enough to the Chaos Gods and then blow them up.

Reminder that there's a Warp portal opening on one of Armageddon's poles.
Reminder that Angron might be coming to Armageddon.
Reminder that Tuska da Daemon-Killa has been training for millenia of subjective time in slaying Khorne daemon scum.

>>52130405
Tyranids don't have individual souls to corrupt, they're all linked to the mega-soul of the Hivemind which is far beyond the emotional concept of beings in the Milky Way.

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>>52129714

Weren't chaos orks mentioned even in older fluff?
Its not really a new concept by a stretch.

I want to see corrupted Tau or some shit. That would be mindblowing.

>>52135260

Why did you quote >>52131319 when he basically said what you said about Chaos not caring about Tau souls because they're not really good for anything?

>>52136684
CHAOS is the only big-bad threat and all will fall to CHAOS and anything that has a chance of resisting CHAOS is a mistake and should be removed amarite?

>>52145448
Accusing someone of being a black library author is a pretty hefty charge.

>>52145550
The defense calls their first witness. Will Anon please take the stand.

>>52146211
I saw the defender, your honor, say that races that were resistant to chaos were a mistake! Surely such an extreme and pro-chaos statement could only come from the mouth of a Black Library author!

>>52146360
This court finds the defendant guilty of autism and sentences him to be ridiculed on the internet.

>>52147176
Jesus, your honor! Have mercy!

>>52130279

literal /tg/ head canon

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>>52147323
No mercy, only justice.

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>>52147323
>>52147840

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According to FFG, the Tau can gain Chaos corruption points but nothing changes about them. They remain their same selves. From 0 to 99, the Tau character doesn't suffer any madness, mutation, or possession.

I guess the Tau are resistant to the Warp. Also the Tau are hidden from the eyes of daemons. Daemons have a hard time seeing them according to the old GW rpg "Inquisitor". picture related.

It looks like the Tau are THE anti-Chaos race.

>>52130405
>>52131398
Tau barely have any souls at all, Necrons either don't have souls anymore or have had theirs altered from becoming Necrons(can't remember exactly what it was), and Tyranids have their hive mind bond keeping them from being tainted by Chaos normally(although Genestealers hypothetically can fall to Chaos, if extremely rare, and the same could probably apply to Zoats if they ever return), not to mention the Hive Mind itself is basically a Warp Entity in and of itself

>>52148025
Wow. That's kinda OP.

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>>52144086
>the leering orkoid faces appearing in space are actually just Tuska and his boyz looking what dat young lad Ghazghkull is up to nowadays

>>52144086
>They're bringing Armageddon into the limelight

No, no! It was a bastion of old lore that no one had bothered to change!

>>52136601
>>52129714
So if your Warlord is a vehicle, does that mean you could have your tank commander get a 3+ invuln for his ride?

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>>52149759
>>the leering orkoid faces
Is it khorne or is it just more orkz?

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>>52136601
Are you telling me I can finally make slaneesh SoB legally?

I can finally use those old metal slaneesh demons!