Song of Swords: We Fixed the OP Edition

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>>52127409
>https://app.roll20.net/join/346755/
Guys this is not the Roll20 link.

>https://app.roll20.net/join/346755/hRKd4w
This is the Roll20 link, it has now been wrong for three threads.

>>52127518
At least the other links are correct.

>>52127518
Dammit, I got all the other links fixed.

Are you guys running a 4E campaign?

>>52127573
I'm sorry what?

>>52127406
>5 shots with -4 MP to each is terrible
what

Daily reminder to put any suggestions for the LaTeX document into https://pad.riseup.net/p/Song-of-Swords so I know what to fix

I'm likely not gonna upload new PDFs unless I know of anything important enough to warrant it that I've fixed, or someone requests it. Even if I do make fixes that I push to GitHub, so suggestions in the etherpad are more likely to get good suggestions out.

This could be examples of how maneuvers work, sentences you want rewritten to fix ambiguity, etc., or even just misaligned text.
Because of reasons, I don't read the PDF anymore, so I will only see errors if you point them out to me somehow

>>52127634
I clicked on the wrong Roll20 room, one that someone had used for a SoS oneshot or tournament or something, and what looked like SoS community members were playing what looked like 4E D&D.

>>52127409
>Haki
What time was the tournament supposed to be, today?

>>52128130
Probably about an hour and a half from now. Just trying to get my migraine under control. Anyone who submitted characters and is planning on playing, toss in your characters once more for final review, and so we can get matchups set.

>>52128223
https://paste2.org/JswEVkk2

Hasn't been changed at all.

>>52127696
In SoS? Yes it is. Bows are very weak against armor. To make that work you need to either be a Zell, have very high MP, or use flaming arrows to cheese out the instant win.

>>52128223
http://imgur.com/a/gydm3
German Longsword Jobber and Repanse Waad

>>52129065
5 shots at -4 MP outperforms 1 shot at full MP at a fairly low breakpoint of MP and I'd be happy to do the math for you to show you how bad at math you are if you think Rapid Shot isn't fine in SoS

>>52129239
Go for it, and compare it to Power Draw as well, since there's little reason not to Power Draw if your target is armored.

Rolled 4, 36, 41, 62, 54, 56 = 253 (6d100)

Alright looks like we have 5 entries into the tourney, so I'll toss in a lad of my own to even it out. For fighters we have;

#1 Zaidu, Huntsman of the Moon! https://paste2.org/JswEVkk2
#2 Versck the Fat, Goblin Leader! https://paste2.org/dF17N7Cd
#3 Repanse Waad, Armored Knight! http://i.imgur.com/sg08wTL.png
#4 German Longsword Jobber, the One and Only! http://i.imgur.com/ndg9Y12.png
#5 Swinger, Beater of Blades! https://paste2.org/wdaMXN3e
#6 Vito Acosta, Veteran Footsman! https://paste2.org/hjXbcCNk

I'll roll some dice to figure our matchups.

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>>52129270
So, for our first round of fights we have;
Zaidu vs Verseck the Fat
Repanse Waad vs Swinger
German Longsword Jobber vs Vito Acosta

That'll leave us three fighters next round, so we may do the same as we did for finals as last time, which the three fighters all squaring off in turn. Whoever has a character in the running, hop in the 20!

>>52127696
The maximum MP you can get at chargen is 11 at 26(13 at 30 big whoop). If you fire all 5 then your expected value is 2.8 well below the 4 needed to hit. Doing head math I come up with a 25% to get 4.5 or better so if you do that only one of your shots will hit on average. Further more you need 5 success in ballad to not be capped at level 1 wounds though that hardly matter since bows do 9 damage(Wheelbow Heavybroad) or under. 3 shots at 9 MP though does sound way better than 1 at 11 though

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Our first fight is starting!
Vito Acosta is facing the venerable German Longsword Jobber! Can the pseudo-rodelero defeat the tried and tested Jobber fechtan? We'll find out!

>>52129564
And the fechting is off to a miserable start, with no less than three rolls getting no successes in the first action alone!

>>52129725
Jobber has been stabbed in the neck for a level 3 wound! Can he struggle through it and win? Only the next round will tell!

>>52129406
>Further more you need 5 success in ballad to not be capped at level 1 wounds though that hardly matter since bows do 9 damage(Wheelbow Heavybroad) or under.
Do you mean bow damage is so low that the wound cap almost isn't necessary? Whether many shots is better or worse than fewer or single shots with more MP relies heavily on how much damage you need to deal.

Using SmallRoller gives the following results
11 MP - 4 = 7 MP
Your head math was pretty close. Five shots: At TN 7, 7 MP each gets 4+ successes 28.98% of the time, and 5+ successes (uncapped wounds) 9.63% of the time.
The chance they'll all miss (3 or fewer successes) is (1 - 0.2898)^5 = ~18.06%, so you've got about a 82% of hitting with at least one.
The chance they'll all get capped (4 or fewer successes) is (1-0.0963)^5 = ~60.27%, so you've got about a 40% of getting a good hit with at least one.

Three shots: At TN 7, 9 MP each gets 4+ 51.74% of the time, and 5+ 26.66%.
They all miss ~11.24% of the time, which is about 1 in 8
They all get capped ~39.45% of the time.

One shot at TN 7, 11 MP gets 4+ 70.37% of the time, and 5+ 46.72%.
It misses about 30% of the time, and is uncapped about 54%.

>>52129845
And the German Longsword Jobber falls, as is his destiny, with a second level 4 wound to the face. Like every generation of the Jobber family before him, he faces his inevitable fate with grace.

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The fight is over!
>Victor: Vito Acosta
>Method of Victory: A level 3 to the neck followed by a Level 4 to the face.

Cage visors, better than nothing does not equal all that good! Our next fight shall be Zaidu vs Verseck, as Waad's player must go AFK for a bit.

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The next fight is beginning shortly! Our fighters are the corpulent Verseck, and the Karthacki Zaidu! Can the moon's light defeat the jiggly rolls and flails of the goblin menace?

>>52130077
Quote from the thread:

a fecht for the ages
silversteel-coated murderaxer vs literally a goblin

>>52130159
>thread

>>52130202
rooms and threads are basically the same thing

With a successful flail swing, Verseck moves into H range, a whole 3 range steps! Things are getting romantic!

>>52130328
Another swing cancels Zaidu's knee from shock, but a Rodela spares the Karthack from a caved-in chest! We move into the next Round unsure of the likely winner.

>>52130202
>>52130159
Hey, I didn't build him just to Murderhobo in the tournament, I've had this character concept for a while now
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48171874/#48215427

A flail beat is shield-bound! Can Zaidu ward off his short attacker, or even win the fight?

An exchange of blows leads to a level 2 bludgeoning to the Zaidu's thigh! Not much effect however, and the fecht continues!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ

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Progress! The gobbo has succeeded in a defensive clinch, putting us in a grapple!

After a few actions of grappling and a minor level 1 wound to the elbow, the goblin breaks Zaidu's elbow with a level 4 wound by god!

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After a grueling 6 round fecht, we have a victor!
>Victor: Verseck the Fat
>Method of Victory: A defensive clinch leading to a broken arm.

We will be picking up the tourney tomorrow, due to the need for sleep and my own migraine.

>>52131770
How do defensive clinches resolve when declared against an attack?
Do they even negate enemy successes?

>>52131853
Of course they do. They're a defense. It's only weird because it's resolved at HA range so you need to pay for range.

https://warosu.org/tg/thread/S43478595#p43536241
Remember this, lads?

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>>52132972
>Servant's Uniform & Stuff (wt 12.5)

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>>52133035
It's a lot of good stuff.
Don't we know it.

http://tattered-realms.wikia.com/wiki/Hladnavrata

>>52129849
Glad to know that finding the 3rd quartile worked out for me

>>52129406
>>52129239
Is this the same person? I'm still waiting on how Rapid Shot is fine in SoS. Not with CotV's 4 RS rule, but in SoS.

>>52133725
You'll have to wait. I was saying it sucked in Ballad rules

>>52133725
You do realize SoS uses the 4 RS rule too, unless you're some kinda weirdo who doesn't use the latex version with the updated Combat chapter, right?

>>52129406
>>52133743
>On average, only one of your shots will hit with Rapid Shot
>If you shoot only one, one of your shots will hit (albeit with fewer successes, on average, than the one of the 5 that'd hit with Rapid Shot)
>Therefore, it's better to shoot only one, because on average, each shot from Rapid Shot will miss
what

>>52133780
You do realize Rapid Shot isn't in the updated Combat chapter, right? It's a defunct maneuver with the new combat rules. We're talking about Rapid Shot before the new combat rules.

>>52133867
You do realize it totally is, right? Look under the Missile Attack section in Combat, it's right under Shoot

>>52133877
You do realize it's not the same as the maneuver, right?

>>52133892
You do realize that's completely irrelevant considering that, as you just mentioned, it's a defunct maneuver and doesn't matter at all, right?

This discussion sprang from that new GM wanting to use Ballad rules but in SoS, and couldn't figure out bows.

Some dude said to treat them as single shot. I said that Bows can Rapid Shot in the updated combat chapter, and it'd be a nerf if you didn't allow them to at least do what they usually did.

The reply was that Rapid Shot was terrible in SoS, as a reply to using the Rapid Shot rules in updated SoS. This prompted an incredulous reply.

If at any point anyone's been talking about Rapid Shot from pre-update SoS, they need to follow the conversation better.

>>52133892
It's the same as Superior Rapid Shoot, so, it's basically the same thing

So what are we even arguing about with Rapid Shoot?

>>52133927
If it's a nerf to not allow them to Rapid Shot, but only let them single shot, ever, because single shot is always better than Rapid Shot, because Rapid Shot is terrible

Saying Rapid Shot is terrible belies some pretty bad math abilities

>>52133946
Well did >>52129239 ever explain that math behind it?

>>52133855
>If you shoot only one, one of your shots will hit (albeit with fewer successes, on average, than the one of the 5 that'd hit with Rapid Shot)
That should say more successes, not fewer

>>52133985
What's the point when >>52129849 makes it abundantly clear?

The odds of getting 5+ dice is ~46.72% for 11 dice, ~40% for 7 dice with 5 arrows, which I can corroborate with my own math.

This shows fairly clearly that even without Aim, without Zell bonuses, without stacking arrows doing lodes a damage, without any flanking, and without autistic savant-levels of proficiency, Rapid Shot is still fairly good even if you go about it in a stupid way.

If you aim thrice, Rapid Shot then becomes retarded strong since the gap between the two is a constant 1.6 successes on average, and the extra successes matter way, WAY less once you get above the 4 successes on average at 10 dice, since stacking bonuses become a fairly hefty damage factor.

Rapid Shot is not always better than Shoot (it's worse in this worst-case scenario, at ~11 MP without aiming, for example), but it's definitely not terrible.

The statement that it outperforms 1 shot at full MP at a low breakpoint, though, is not true insofar we use this worst-case scenario, though, since 11 MP is fairly high without aiming.

>rapid shooting arrows dipped in your shit.

>>52134058
5+ successes, rather

>>52134052
Typo, my bad

>>52131770
Sheet for Versck with far better formatting than the last, which was horribly shitty: https://paste2.org/vnBbgM9G

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>>52133122

I assumed it does this because it's made out of Silversteel.

Makes me wonder what it would do to a proud and noble knight if he ever commissioned a suit of plate made out of the stuff.

Jimmy, if you still come here are there any soulless knights wandering the land is a suit of gleaming silver?

>>52134058
I'm not sure what you mean by stacking bonus damage for arrow fire. Yes, getting multiple shots on one location in Ballad does more damage, but that doesn't appear to be the case in the updated SoS. It'd be rather difficult to achieve too since there are so many more locations in SoS than Ballad.

>>52134396
>that pommel misaligned with the blade and quillons

That better be because he's unscrewed in in preparation to end his foe rightly.

>>52134396
His sword is too long for his scabbard

>>52134728
It's also not wide enough to fill the scabbard properly.

>>52134058
The problem with it is still that bows do around 7/8 damage at 1bs(uncapped wounds). There are few combat characters that can't soak that and the example also isn't really the worst case scenario. the worst case scenario is that they are behind cover or moving.
But yeah if you get all three aims off why not throw some extra arrows in there god knows you can afford it

>>52134728
Looks to long to draw from a side scabbard comfortably. Sword is at least 4'8 if that's a short dude

SHILL AS HARD AS YOU CAN, SEARCH GOOGLE FOR YOUR NATIVE RPG FORUMS!

>This shows fairly clearly that even without Aim, without Zell bonuses, without stacking arrows doing lodes a damage, without any flanking, and without autistic savant-levels of proficiency, Rapid Shot is still fairly good even if you go about it in a stupid way.
Here's the problem. What is "good"? That was never defined. When you shoot a guy you want him to stop being a threat; we don't really know how Pain and Bleed work with the new Ballad style rules; you can't narrow down where your shot will land on the target; most (piercing) wounds have all their fun stuff happen at level 3. Some wounds have really debilitating level 3s (neck, belly, elbow), some have really lackluster level 3s (shoulder, chest). Level 4s and 5s often neutralize the target.
Let's say good is inflicting a level 3 or better wound. If we can inflict a level 3 through armor we can certainly inflict a level 5 without problem, so hitting an unarmored spot is pure upside.

When you account for RS adjusted for movement or active defense, possible shield coverage, RS/MP changes from poor lighting, weather problems, the situation looks a lot worse than what I'll show below. [All bows are MTN 7. MP will mean the number of dice you actually roll, after modifiers like range and Aim. All percentages are rounded to 2 decimal places and gotten from SmallRoller and my own calculator.]

It's worth noting that Aim gives you a bonus to your next "Missile Attack", and Rapid Shot is one type of "Missile Attack", so even though it consists of multiple lowercase missile attacks, it probably gets the bonus for all shots, because the Rapid Shot is itself one Missile Attack. If this isn't intended Jimmy you gotta fix it.

Let's look at a Warbow or Composite Warbow (which I guess is a bow in the ~120 lbs draw weight range?) with something different, like Swallowtail arrows. They have Winged 1, so they ignore Textile and each BS counts twice against soft armors, like Draw 1 used to be. Your damage is 6+BS, or 6+(2*BS) against soft armors. Your damage per BS is going 6, 8, 10, 12, 14...
Going against TOU 4 with AV 2/3/4 leather/quilt, and needing at least 1 BS to be uncapped, means on 1 BS you're good against unarmored spots, level 2s and 1s to AV 2 leather and 3 leather/quilt, and matching AV 4 leather/heavy quilt. With 2 BS you're good against AV 3, and 3 BS is good against all of the soft armors. But 3 BS is 7 successes on a roll, and that's not easy to achieve.
|7+ successes on MP|
0.16% on 7 MP
2.50% on 9 MP
9.94% on 11 MP
22.88% on 13 MP
39.02% on 15 MP
Against plate, just forget it. You're at 6+BS against AV 11. To be good you'd need 8 BS -- 12 successes. That's a 5.65% on 20 dice. You've got other arrowheads for that.

So in this scenario, when is Rapid Shoot better than single shots? Certainly if your chances of inflicting a good wound at all go up, Rapid Shoot is better. Say we have 15 MP. We have the options of 1x15, 2x14, 3x13, 4x12, and 5x11. Let's say the target's total defense is 8, for heavy quilt. That's also the same as TOU 5 with regular AVP 3 quilt, or TOU 6 with AV 2 leather. Remember Textile doesn't apply because Swallowtail arrows have Winged.
|Chances of at least one level 3+ wound against 8 defense|
1x15: 39.02%
2x14: 52.05%
3x13: 54.14%
4x12: 49.79%
5x11: 40.74%
In this scenario it's better to do three 13 MP shots than two 14 MP shots or one 15 MP shot.
If you instead defined "good" as level 4 or 5 wounds only:
1x15: 21.31%
2x14: 27.77%
3x13: 26.53%
4x12: 21.03%
5x11: 13.81%

The wheelbow is the strongest example. With heavy broadheads, like anon said before, it's 9+BS damage. With 4 successes you have 0 BS, so 9 damage capped at a level 1. With 5 successes you have 1 BS, so 10 damage uncapped.

Against TOU 4, 1 BS would be a level 5. Against TOU 4 with AV 2/3/4 leather/quilt, it's a level 4/3/2. Against TOU 4 with quilt without Winged, it's 10 or 12 defense, so no wound. You'd need 2 BS -- 6 successes on your roll -- to deal a minimum level wound (in this case level 2, because of Winged) through basic quilt. This is why you probably always want to Winged arrows in a world where quilted armor is common. Your basic Broadhead arrowhead is usually the best choice.

In this scenario we have 9+BS with a Heavy Broadhead Zellish Wheelbow. Let's try a tough target, TOU 4 in AVP 7 plate. That's 11 defense, the same as TOU 6 in AVP 5 lamellar. Bonus damage from Winged won't apply. Let's find where Rapid Shot is better than Shoot.
To be good we need 5 BS -- 9 successes. Again we'll assume 15 MP.
|Chances of at least one level 3+ wound against 11 defense|
1x15: 9.5%
2x14: 11.32%
3x13: 9.32%
4x12: 5.97%
5x11: 2.93%
Again a Rapid Shoot is better than a single shot, although this time only the 2x14 is better. That's with the strongest possible bow and ammo combination for raw damage.

So just experimentally, given all these conditions, it appears that Rapid Shoot is often a better decision than normal shoot.

>>52134931
OK Claymore

And by the way, 15 MP wasn't chosen for any particular reason, but it is achievable by a moderately skilled archer.
6 proficiency + 6 Aim + 4 PER = 16
You'll always have 3 phases to Aim because you can Steal Initiative up to 7 ADR and simply Aim in all 3 phases, then shoot during your turn next round, when the stealing initiative penalty goes away.

>>52134396
It's not a property of Silversteel, but that of enchantment in general I believe. See Gizja's sword

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If I start with 1 PCP amount of B&B points of -15, can I take 30 points of banes to have 15 points to spend on boons?

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Ok. I've tried merging Song of Swords and Ballad. I included everything except for a few skills and boons/banes, and kept out Ballad equipment. Firearms I"ll stat out in a separate document.

Does the combat chapter look good? Like it's a coherent ruleset anyone would understand?

Bows/Thrown weapons I'm still not 100% on.

>>52136579
That's how it works, yes. You take -15 for your PCP 1, and you can take up to -15 more to get the max Bane to Boon

>>52134396
No, every magic weapon in Vosca comes with a price.

>>52136592
I've needed this for a while. Giving it a look over now.

>>52136592
Remove the SoS missile hit location table. It's no longer needed with the Ballad hit location.

The projection cone on the kickstarter is looking pretty narrow. Now it's looking like we might not hit even one more stretch goal.

>>52140142
shill harder

>>52140142
Honestly it sounds like they were just making stuff up to fill the slots at the end, I don't think they really expected to get this far.

>>52139671
Anything else?

>>52134396
...His pommel is diagonal to his blade and cross guard.

>>52140628
I haven't had a chance to really dig in, but is there a way to make tables a bit easier to parse?

>>52141583
Which tables? I used a combination of the LaTeX SoS and two column Ballad books.

>>52141658
Like.

All of them. Having just blank space is pretty weird.

>>52133122
Huh. Haunted polearms.

>>52140640
Hopefully he just plans to quickly end his enemy rightly.

>>52136159
>However, there is a darker side to the material. None are quite sure what it is, but many describe a feeling of loss associated with Silversteel. As though, after touching it, something beautiful and precious has been taken away forever, and can never be reclaimed. Even the memory of what has been lost is sealed away. Most people think this is just nostalgia and superstition, and yet...

>>52144415
That is actually weird. We know that magic weapons usually have downsides, but Hladnavrata's seems specifically connected to silversteel.

We know that Orichalcum draws on "life" per-se to achieve its effect. It is only invulnerable when touching living matter. We cannot know, but is it possible that it DRAINS life from whatever touches it, in some small and unnoticable way?

What if Silversteel is the same, but instead of the life of the physical body, it somehow draws on the mind, memories, or the soul?

>>52136592
You have a lot of redundancies. Ballad missile hit locations and SoS hit locations, when only Ballad should be in. Observation AND Awareness. Athletics and Climbing when Ballad makes Climbing part of Athletics.

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>James: It is a natural impulse of people, if they have sort of a pathos, or a historical impulse they feel the need to address because of something in their cultural, or racial, or national past… You know, they just want to work something out in that way, as you said. There’s nothing wrong with that. But it’s a little bit weird when you see [that built into] tabletop games in particular, because it’s such a group-centered milieu. Everything really relies on your GM and on your players. Not so much of it is supposed to come from the makers of the game. It’s very weird to see the trend of politically or socially conscious tabletop games [that’s] going around. Players don’t like that stuff. If you go on the internet… I won’t name any names, but there are a lot of games out there that are trying their bestest to make a political or social message. Everyone hates it, because it just feels so preachy and kind of whingey, you know? Someone always gets annoyed by it. So what’s the point?

MEANWHILE, IN BALLADVERSE

"A magic sword wielded by a mysterious Din of unknown race called Luu"

From here: http://tattered-realms.wikia.com/wiki/Ebakibel

Any more lore on Luu?

So in previous threads I've seen someone talking about getting a prepaid card to back SoS with on kickstarter. Is it a bad plan to use your regular card? I'd like to support this madness, but I'd also like to not have my bank account drained by leet Korean Haxxors.

>>52145911
That was because the person didn't have the right kind of bank card or something because of his country. KS is liable for hacking and stuff like that (not for fraud though, lol) so don't worry about getting screwed for using your own info.
t. IT dipshit who spends way too much money on kickstarters

Illiad of Idols when?

>>52146091
Thanks. Time to give Jimmy my shekels so he can resume his drunken storytimes.

>>52145245
Ballad is less message-laden political allegory and more Jimmy seeing how ridiculous of a political satire he can make before someone stops him.

>>52146291
That's not really true. All the societies are about the same level of ridiculous, even for cases like the nazi analogues which actually had to be scaled back to match the others.

>>52146344
Well sure, but even going that far is pretty outlandish these days. We're not quite at the point where we can look at the time period objectively yet.

>>52146344
That just means that Jimmy is a nazi apologist as well as an evil other who hates [my ideology].

>>52146575
Especially since the time period really includes anything from the time period where guns dominate personal combat, which we're currently not out of.

Big donation today. Has anyone been shilling, or is it just happenstance?

>>52145069
Fixed the skills.

As for hit locations, I should cut out the SoS ones but keep the Ballad ones?

I'd need to do then include the Ballad Wounds, which I"ll do. In SoS missile weapons deal Piercing wounds.

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>>52147339
>Going on 28,000

Post magic rules.
Yes I know theyre incomplete.

>>52147339
Sorry, I meant the missile hit locations in particular. SoS has you roll on a chart to see which hit location chart you roll on, and Ballad has it much more abstracted. You should keep the SoS hit locations and wounds for melee, and keep the Ballad hit locations and wounds for ranged.

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Query: if you have trapped an opponent's body part and then fail an autodrop test, is he now untrapped?

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>>52147836
>28k get

>>52148694
After that 1600 day we're looking very likely to get the monster deck (do people care about this?) but not very likely to get the GM book by Jimmy.

>>52148226
Yeah, I just did that.

Sanged weapons has the Ballad hit locations and wounds.
Melee weapons keep the SoS hit locations and wounds.

Anything else that comes to mind?

>>52085589

Can you clarify how reloading works?

The Load Threshold is the weapon's Load stat.

If I have ADR4 and Prof 10, that means my Load Skill is 4 right? Would I add my ADR since it's a Cylinder weapon, like it says in the Reload description in Ballad?

It says nothing about rolling to Load so I assume that's automatic.

That means it'd take me 15 (or 7 if the rules for cylinder weapons apply) Phases to reload a cap and ball revolver (assuming it's loose ball, powder and lube instead of a self-contained paper cartridge) right?

I suppose self-contained paper cartridges would have the reload time? Since you still have to ram it.

>>52149010
>do people care about this?
Yes.

>>52149010
Well, there were people complaining about the Hunter's Handbook only having 20 monsters.

>>52149180
Huh, strange.

Hello im retarded and my friend is trying to teach me how to play this game.
Can someone give me some quick tips and maybe a retardicized explanation of how things work so that when my pal tries to teach me he doest blow a gasket?

>>52149199
Isn't the solution to that just "put more monsters in the book"? Seems like coming up with a new product is harder. Especially since it's a print format rather than a non-print, so the cost goes up.

>>52149211
Did you watch the video on the kickstarter page? If you need more than that, listen to the podcast of it in actual play. If that's not enough, there's no better way to learn than being taught by someone else anyway, but that much should at least get you basically familiar with it.

>>52149239
Ah I haven't but ill take a look
he is probably watching as I post this,judging me judgignly

>>52149250
Here's the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKPzv1wA8lE
It's short and simple, perhaps too much so, but that's the basic of it. I don't have the link to the podcast handy.

>>52149239
>>52149211
Ask someone on discord to run you through combat on the roll20.

If your group is mostly new to the game just stick to the basic melee maneuvers: Swing, Thrust, Block, Parry, Void

>>52149356
Even if you say that, his question was what to do before being taught by someone. Getting taught in order to be taught would be pointless, wouldn't it?

Unless his goal is to impress the guy he has a crush on

>>52149380
>that spoiler
N-no i just want to play with my best pal o-ok!
s-so some armor stacks r-right h-hahah

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>>52149457
Haha yeah bro armor stacks
Hey let's armor stack you over here near the car battery.

>>52149457
Some armor stacks, but only one layer will stack with the armor on top of it. If you have more than one layer, you get totally unbeatable enemies like the first one they fight in the podcast.

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>>52149457
How cute~

>>52149457

Yes.
>Armor can be layered (worn over other armor) within reason, but the AVs do not normally layer, unless otherwise stated. However, layered armor always uses the highest AV of the layered pieces against any attack to that area. This is after factoring in Special Qualities like AP, Textile, Hard, Draw, Layer, and so on. Whichever Armor’s AV is used to defend against an attack, only that Armor’s Special Qualities (with the exception of Layer) are in play for the purposes of that Attack. In the event of a tied AV, the wearer of the armor may choose which Armor’s AV to use. The qualities of that Armor are then in play, all others are ignored.

tl;dr: You have two armor sets. Lets say you have a Plate cuirass which is AVP7, and then Mail shirt worn underneath, which is AVP 4, Layer 1. You would then count as having Plate with AVP8 (7AVP+Layer 1). Layer only applies if the other armor is superior. So a Mail shirt worn under a cotton t-shirt wouldn't increase your Armor Value, but Mail worn under Plate would.

>>52148683
RAW: Traps aren't done with any particular limb, so no.

>>52149718
To say it a bit simpler, you pick the best one and then add up to one layering bonus from the armor it's layered with.

In Song of Swords how long does it take an average person to reload say, a Flintlock Musket?

Would it be 5 Rounds/30 seconds? Assuming you spend your entire combat pool on reloading and I guess...Proficiency 10 would be standard?.

>>52149798
Proficiency 6 for a trained soldier. AGI 4 for human norm.
So Reload takes 10 dice per action.
Muskets take 20 Load successes.

>manual muzzle load
TN8, expected 30% of dice, so 3 per action. Takes 7 actions on average.

>paper cartridge
TN6, 50% of dice, so 5 per action.
Takes 4 actions on average.


That's the rules I have.

>>52149833
AGI? As far as I can see ADR is used with melee.

But ranged is:

Missile CP = (Proficiency Pool + Misc) - (Encumbrance + Fatigue + Pain + PER Penalty + Misc)

A Musket by default is TN7.

Are you looking at the kickstarter beta or 1.9.9/LaTeX?

6 die at TN 7 = 76% of 2 successes, 45% for 3 successes. I don't know what the average would be, but it'd take at least 10 Rounds (60 seconds).

>>52149931
1.9.9
The Reload maneuvar in 1.9.9 unique in that it specifies (AGI + Proficiency) is its pool.

>>52149038
>>52085589

Oh yeah. Two more questions. If you Reload a revolver, is that just one cartridge or for the entire cylinder? The damage is damage/AP right?

>>52149931
>, but it'd take at least 10 Rounds (60 seconds)
Does it say somewhere that a Round is 60 seconds?

And yes it is AGI, not ADR.

>>52150184
10 Rounds. 1 Round is 6 seconds, which the book does say.

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>>52138460
I know that but it seems like this ones price is the same cost that silversteel is meant to have. Atl east as far as peasant superstitions go.

Like these anons points out
>>52144415
>>52144527

>>52151137
Read the succor section under silver guard. Silversteel is simply aligned with dessia

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More character creation questions.

1. Level 4 wealth gives one wealth point [1W] does that lets me buy something like a small business at character creation like Table 8.5: Assets, do I have to spend money on it too or is the point of wealth all I need?

2. The human race makes core profs in a school cost 1 less but does this actually mean primary profs? Cause the word core is not in the section on schools at all.

>>52152110
The wealth is the asset. You don't pay extra for it, you just have it.

No it does not mean primary prof. As part of buying a school at level 1 you must buy every proficiency in that school at level one. This is the core. For humans this is free since it normally costs 1 to buy a prof at level one, and then that is reduced by 1.

>>52152172
Thanks wealth works like I thought.

So after buy the cores at 1 each(0 for humans) I can level the school to from that point on instead.

>>52152360
This cost is for self-taught school obviously.

>>52152360
Yeah. Once the school is formed you level it as if it were only one proficiency.

>>52151137
I had not actually seen that quote in >>52144415
However, we are not sure if silversteel only does this the first time you touch it or every time. It seems to me that the material is just the first time you touch it, while the axe is every time it's used for violence.

>>52152110
>>52152484
>>52152360
http://paste2.org/089j7MYm

>>52151666

I'm sorry but as I can not find any such section on any article I am lead to believe that you aim to steer me awry, Satan.

>>52154405
Maybe it's made out of silversteel and an items material can influence enchantments put on them? The effects just seem too similar to be a coincidence is all.

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>>52154405
Thanks that helps.

>>52155100
I think he was talking about
>Finally, for no Divinity cost, a Silver Guard can take away all negative thoughts, emotions, or painful
memories away from an Adherent, by holding their head and willing it to be so.

>>52155100
Nowhere in the article does it says it's made out of silversteel

>>52155649
I think he's just theorising.

>>52155100
It's actually made out of Orichalcum.

>>52155110
That isn't SoS art, is it? It's an SoS artist.

>>52149038
No, your load skill accounts for ADR. Paper cartridges would.... I dunno? Halving it sounds right. Maybe quarter it.
>>52149992
Per Cylinder, and yes.

>>52152110
>>52152172

To simplify things, think of it as "All level 1 proficiencies are free"

>>52159003
Except for the price you have to pay from the school.

>>52159424
Yes but that's the only cost you need to pay.

>>52161759
What drove someone to create this?

>>52161771
Ambivalence.

>>52161771
Fashion

>>52161771
>>52162299
Trigger Warning: lindybeige
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYv4iO9QjCs

>>52127409
God I love how stupid the helmets look. It's just the kind of stupid that comes back around and becomes super badass.

Anyone interested in continuing the tourney tonight, or shall we call it dead?

>>52164451
No one can stop his wild rolling. He's going to win.
https://paste2.org/wdaMXN3e

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Our final fight of Round 1 is starting! The noble Sir Waad vs The Mysterious Swinger! Who shall prevail? Only time will tell!

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>>52165217
We have a victor!
>Victor: The Swinger
>Method of Victory: A 6 BS double attack, leading to a crushed Forearm.

Vito, Verseck, and the Swinger shall be going on to Round 2! We shall conduct the second round in the same fashion as the last tourney's finals. Each Fighter will fight the others. Going 0-2 means a fighter is eliminated, 2-0 means they win! If everyone goes 1-1, we'll brainstorm something.

We'll shoot to do that on the weekend, or if fighters can catch me on the Disco when they want to fecht during the week.

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>>52165833
>that fight on the right
I recognize that attack

>>52165861
Best girl.

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>>52165861
>>52167171

She-goat did nothing wrong.

So are you guys also refugees from /ddg/?

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>>52167777
whoops, didn't mean to throw up the bleached out one.

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Are there any good sources regarding any middle eastern/Persian swordsmanship/fencing systems? I'm doing some writefagging and want to do some research.

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>>52167777
>>52167806
I know Jimmy and some of the lads were into it for a bit. Apparently Jimmy made Gizka as a companion, and she's pretty high level.

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>>52167777
It's a good game, that's all.

>>52167806
I am. Jimmy cited it as one of his inspirations for SoS.

>>52167982
>Jimmy cited it as one of his inspirations for SoS.
[citation needed]

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>>52167982
My nigga

>>52167862
Yeah I know, I enjoyed using her long after I had eclipsed her level.

Jimmy you cunt, have you actually gotten around to finishing it and grinding Bitter Black yet?

>>52168022
Yeah I'm sure he has tons of time for video games during his kickstarter shilling blitz

>>52168001
I definitely did at some point. I'm extremely sick, I caught a cold from a friend of mine and I can barely think. Typing is actually pretty easy but coherent thought is difficult.

Anyway yes DD was a big influence because wolves hunt in packs m8. I'm on so much cough syrup I can hear bells in the distance. I'll get back to you guys in a wee bit, please retain morale and don't worry, I'm alright.

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>>52169417
>I'm on so much cough syrup I can hear bells in the distance
>don't worry, I'm alright

Jimmy, these are mutually exclusive statements.

don't die now senpai

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Another round of new player questions. Having played TRoS I am just trying to sort out thing that my mind tells me that might not be true.

1. Stealing the Initiative on page 297 talks aboutrising your ADR to let you act in earlier phases. But is there a way for a defender to in a round being attacked to steal initiative and make it red/red before menuvers are declared?

Following are just a couple of things I want to claryfy
2. Pain from all wounds stack and the total is only recuced by your grit?
3. Bleeding from all wounds also stack and is reduced by nothing?
4. Does a -1pp helm cause -1cp?
5. If I attack and get zero sucsesses is there a penelty other then mostlikly losing Initiative?
6. If I get 1 successes in an attack and my oponent gets 1 defence successes then nothing happens and I still have Initiative for the next action?
7. If I get 2 successes in an attack and my oponent gets 1 defence successes I succeed at hiting them and have a total of 1 BS?
8. Ohanedin Rules of Nature causes bleeding with out a wound? and this is normal bleeding and has to be recovered from like normal bleeding?

>>52169417
>I can hear bells in the distance.
Me too. The church bells are ringing here right now.

>>52169417
How many memes are going to make it into the final book? Will we still be able to buy a friendly doge?

A friendly reminder to SHILL ON YOUR NATIVE RPG FORUMS, I REALLY FUCKING WANT THOSE MONSTER CARDS.

>>52169417
Are you fucking dying?

Does this game's setting still have the dark skinned race who are naturally inclined to servitude?

>>52169559
>implying most of us aren't native to here
I'd go shill to my local RPG club, but I don't know enough about the game to not make a fool of myself.

>>52169583
>things we have never had
I'm sorry what?

>>52169583
Who? I can't think of any of the races that fit that description.
Wait, do you mean the Dacians? They're brown, and I guess they're a "race" in that they're humans of a different phenotype, but the entire point of them was that the Helians -thought- they would be a good slave race, but were completely wrong because humans are complex and nobody is actually servile by nature. They rebelled and built their own republic. Gizka is a Dacian.

>>52169583
Not really... Everyone is basically white except for the Dacians, who are notable for escaping slavery and forming their own nation, and the Karthacks, who are the most powerful culture in the setting.

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>>52169438

>>52169499
>But is there a way for a defender to in a round being attacked to steal initiative and make it red/red before menuvers are declared?
Huh? There is a Steal Initaitive maneuver, yes, if that's what you're asking.
>2
Yes
>3
Yes
>4
No, pp is perception penalty. Read the part about it above the Armor section.
>5
No, there's no extra penalty. Your maneuver is not successful. If you both get 0 successes, the defender wins, it's just like a tie with any other number of successes
>6
No, it depends on the maneuvers involved. Whether the defender gets initiative depends on their maneuver. All defenses give initiative on success unless they say otherwise. Defenders win ties, so ties are successful defense maneuvers. Parry only gives initiative if you get at least 1 BS. Void only gives initiative if you get at least 2 BS. Block acts as normal and gives you initiative on any BS.
>7
Yes
>8
It is unclear. There's no other way except Rules of Nature to get bleed without a wound. I would treat it like a 0 stun, 0 pain wound of level 2 or 3 with however much bleed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/5zbfi5/song_of_swords/

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?799994-Song-of-Swords&p=20910099#post20910099

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>>52169680
Thanks a lot. For some reason I missed the Steal Initiative maneuver.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?518257-Song-of-Swords-Game-where-you-can-choose-what-part-of-your-opponent-to-attack!&p=21806165#post21806165

>>52169417
>I'm on so much cough syrup I can hear bells in the distance.
This is legit scary to hear from someone.

>>52169810
>>52169830
>>52169906
Please reply to the shill threads,

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>>52169417
“聴くがよい。晩鐘は汝の名を指し示した。"
"告死の羽―――首を断つか―!『 死告天使アズライール 』!”
RIP Jimmy

>>52170193
Is this like a really crude attempt at translating "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee," into moon runes, my paste function is failing me here so I'm trying to translate it manually.

>>52170235
>Half-dead Jimmy attempts to translate foreign language on his deathbed rather than let a weeb reference go unanswered

>>52170235
It's King Hassan's Noble Phantasm. Something to do with the Bell and Azrael

>>52170142
>Reddit thread got deleted
How painfully obvious did you make it?

>>52170265
Stun:Total
Pain:Total
Bleed:20

>>52170265
Deleted it myself, got suggested to make it again at a higher traffic time.

>>52171017
Just remember to clarify that it is a KS reminder or we'll be breaking their rules.

Push the time factor to create urgency, give the standard pitch but be upfront that you're there for money and to sell them on it remember these people don't mind honest shilling.

I have to say, the creators chose a truly awful name for the game.

Trying to look it up on google half the results are for Game of Thrones and the other half are for a terrible mobile game.

There don't seem to be any reviews or videos over it whatsoever.

>>52171112
There are, but somehow it just isn't coming up in google.

>>52171112
Try "song of swords rpg"

What's the best stance for a polearm user?

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>>52171215

>>52171215
One that is added to SoS

>>52171232
But why?

>>52171245
Because red is good at killing people, and so are polearms.

>>52171215
Hold the polearms between your thighs, hands on your hips (more advanced practitioners place them behind the head, or straight forward while miming a spanking maneuver), and gyrate menacingly

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>>52171262

>>52171253
What makes a red-declaring polearm user better than a red-declaring sword user?

>>52171312
Having good reach will help you win a red/red initiative contest or a Red/Yellow steal initiative.

>>52171312
Long range, better weapon for piercing armor.

>>52171331
How does the reach help with winning or stealing initiative?

>>52169417
>retain morale

but I never has morale to start with

>>52171338
You get a bonus dice to the initiative test equal to the reach steps you have over your opponent.

>>52171338
>>52171362
Also depending on the polearm you have access to a good thrusting attack which further improves your initiative chances

>>52171473
How does it do that? I'm pretty new to the system.

>>52171520
Straight up gives you dice

>>52171520
Specifically a good example is the Thrust maneuver on page 259 gives +1 dice to initiative tests if thats your declared maneuver.

>>52169810
>made a post that was obviously, instead of obliquely, about SoS
>probably even mentioned the kickstarter
>as a result it gets deleted due to shilling rules
Good job, fag.

>>52171059
Did you actually read the rules? Posting a kickstarter reminder before the last 48 hours is against the rules. A better solution is to link one of the articles about SoS and make a thread about that.

>>52171362
>a bonus dice
Don't mix singular and plural, mate.

>>52172481
I did but I missed what the definition of a reminder was, good catch.

>>52172436
>>52171017
>Deleted it myself, got suggested to make it again at a higher traffic time.

>>52172481
That's a rule for RPG.net, not Reddit.

>>52170260
>King Hassan
who?

None of the Hassan-i-Sabbah Wraiths were kings, to my knowledge

>>52169499
A -1 PP helm causes -1 MP (missile pool), not CP (combat pool)

>>52173580
No, it's a rule for /r/RPG. You're getting your shit all fucked up.

>>52174011
You're both fucked. It's actually a rule for both.

Are there any more podcasts other then that one where they did armor wrong?

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>>52171215
Stances you say

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What have any of you done with the retainer boon?
Was thinking of handling the creation of henchmen kind of like the dependent bane.

How would you do Dhampirs, and at what Tier? I can only think of giving them a bonus to END and HET. Something like a Ghoul? Some of the weaknesses and abilities of a Star Vampire?

>>52175184
I don't think star vampires have genitals to make dhampirs with

>>52175811
Not all settings are the Tattered Realms.

>>52175184
Are you building Dhampirs from a particular setting?

>>52175847
Not one I fleshed out yet, but one of my players wants to play one.

>>52175954
Your first step is fleshing out that part, then. What traits do they have? Are they just People But Better or do they have vampire traits? What are the vampires like? How are they made? Their Tier and abilities follow from there.

If you're basing them on Star Vampires, they could probably actually be traditional Dracula-style vampires.

Just had to ban an insistent player from playing a Joinling.

Fuck you for making me do this, Jimmy.

>>52176010
Well I was thinking of using Star Vampires. I was thinking vampires are...sorta native, coming from the moon hundreds of years ago.

Dhampirs would be the offspring between a Vampire and Human, naturally.

>>52176010
Mechanically, Star Vampires already seem very similar to traditional vampires?

Thinking of making the new reddit thread. Any ideas for some nice discussion to link to start the thread with?

>>52176351
Ask/talk about the setting, or historical accuracy?

>>52167822
nothing systematic a la Lichtenauer but there's some stuff

as said nothing very big tho and unless you can read 1500s ottoman turkish, kinda hard

>>52176010
>>52175954
>>52175847
>>52175811
>>52175184
What about this? I don't know what Tier I'd put this in. Tier 3? Tier 4?

Attribute Modifiers: +2 END, +2 HLT

Blood Requirements
A Dhampir’s Attributes, Skills, and pools for supernatural abilities are normally halved. Spending a Blood Point will restore these to full dice for 48 hours. A Dhampir may spend a point of Blood at any time, but it takes a full minute for their abilities to come into effect. This state is referred to as “Full Form.”

Red Feast — Same as Vampire.

Blood-Charged Form — Same as Vampire

Wisp — Same as Vampire.

>>52176041
kek why did you have to ban him? Couldn't you have just said "lol, no bro, you can't do that. Just roll and elf"

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/5zepp0/song_of_swords_and_its_setting/
New shill, please post and upvote, I really want that monster deck.

>>52176831
This feels dangerously close to the thing Jimmy said not to do, I love SoS lore so I guess I'll post...

>>52176916
When did he say not to shill? He's literally many times said to spread the word. What's he said is to avoid drawing parralels between it and riddle.

In the weapon section what does the small sword icon next to entry's like the bastered sword mean under 1H Swords?
Like wise in the 2H section the bastered sword has a line with a two strips through it, what does this mean?
I thought it was for hand-offing but other weapons dont have it that have offhand like the 2H version of the katana.

>There is now no one with a male Vis. Iconic
ffs

>>52176956
He also said to not just go and spam obnoxiously, which is what you're doing. Delete your fucking post before you get us banned.

>>52176712
That's exactly what I did. Not "ban him", "ban him from".

>>52177195
Give me two hundred dollars and I'll buy one.

>>52177195
I think if they don't get filled up Jimmy and co. will make them?

>>52177334
fine

>>52177520
I imagine so yes.

>>52177195
Thanks for letting me know, I wanted to pick one up.

>>52177636
My cunning ploy was a success!

https://studiokenaz.com/runicfire/2017/03/06/a-song-of-swords-sit-down-part-i/

>One of the many races of Song of Swords, busy being superior to humans. Reproduced with permission
>In regards to Rade Sark

Did he need permission to reproduce? Is that why he rebelled, so he could reproduce at his leisure?

>>52177859
I think it's just a copyright thing.

>>52177928
I know I was just shitposting because I'm Australian and I can't help it.

>>52177859
He says it on every image because he's a little Jewish cuck who knows if he doesn't say that he's exposed to being countersued after he brings a frivolous lawsuit against Opaque

>>52177986
Have you tried not being a raging faggot at all times? Maybe only on weekends, maybe?

>>52177986
While I am as suspicious as the next guy of the treachery of the Jew, I doubt there is any such skullduggery going on here.

>>52177195
Waifus were a mistake

>>52178043
>ahrupff ur a faget
Listen to yourself belch this shit

>>52178158
>>52177986
Guys come on, people might be visiting.

>>52177193
Please if someone could clarify.

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>>52177986

>>52177986
You do realize you need to show your sources in the real world? No matter how obvious it is from the context, it's always better to note under every piece of art that you are allowed to show it.

>>52177193
I'll check it out when I get home.

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>>52179186
Thanks

I haven't really followed SoS but I gotta applaud you guys. You've been having these threads since, what, 2012?

When I start playtested my game, I hope I can cultivate a community this dedicated.

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>>52171296

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>>52170235
>"Listen. The evening bell has tolled thy name."
>"The feathers foreshadow your death, and beheading━"
>"Azrael!”
>>52173715
He's the OG Hassan-i-Sabbah, who founded the Hashshashins and they revere him as a sort of god-king. He presumably also shared the title of Mawla with his historical counterpart. Likely immortal, any of his protege among the Hassans who have taken up his title may call upon him for help as long as they're aware doing so means forfeiture of their heads as someone who needs help in killing is unfit to claim the title of Hassan-i-Sabbah

I also would not be surprised if he showed up in a souls game to tear the player a new asshole

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>>52170193
Go to bed Papa Bones.

>>52173715
King Hassan is just what's he's called.
We don't actually know his true identity at this point. It's just "山の翁".
He's probably Grand Assassin. He can apparently force the concept of death on things without it, and cut the wings off of a semen demon with God Hand++. He's a Buster Gorilla. He may or may not be older than Gil. He was capable of sneaking in and beheading overwanked-pharaoh-man with ease, and could deflect a full powered Galatine with his cape. He also pretty much doesn't get off his ass and do anything unless God tells him too, hence the bells.

>>52180789
>probably
He is/was. He temporarily left his grand container in Magical Beast War Front: Mesopotamia to help you against Tiamat by making her not invulnerable and severing Ereshikigals contract to the Gods and some other stuff so you'd be able to destroy Tiamat and save the world. The gacha summon was him outside his Grand container, though presumably after doing that shit he just went back to being a grand and being all important and shit

>>52180920
>>52180789
>>52180886
What fucking drugs are you assholes taking?

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>>52181156
Mushrooms.

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>>52181156
The kind with shitty mechanics, no soul and big tits

>>52177193
>>52179455

The small sword does indeed mean it is a 1 Handed version of a sword with Hand Off. The swordy thing with the second bar probably is meant to mean that it is the 2 Handed version of that sword, but Latexfag forgot to put it on all of them, or decided it was dumb and forgot to remove it.

>>52182159
You find it dumb? I found it kinda handy

The truth is that I had edited it properly on my desktop, but then lost those files before I remembered to push them to GitHub, but I had forgotten that I hadn't fixed the weapons.

I'll add it in a few minutes

>>52177193
Your intuition was correct, my proof-reading was not.

If you see any similar errors, please point them out to me on https://pad.riseup.net/p/Song-of-Swords or the thread (though I check the thread only once in a while nowadays, due to exams coming up)

Also, if any tables are misaligned, or any style suggestions are on your mind, please mention those too. That goes for every Anon

>>52180789
>He may or may not be older than Gil
That's retarded.

This character is shit.

I liked it better when Assassin was the most powerful Servant only if the user wasn't a complete retard.

For research purposes, how can someone lose an eye in combat? Without massive damage to the face.

>>52182159
>You find it dumb?
Not at all, it is a great idea. I was postulating that two possibilities that you forgot to add it to the rest or removed it from the rest and forgot to removed from the bastard sword. I should have added the word "either" in that sentence, it would've been clearer.

>>52182322
By suffering damage to the eye?
What are you asking after, boyo.

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>>52182343
And then I did something dumb and responded to my own post instead of yours. >>52182282

>>52182322
Ever seen Kill Bill Volume 2?

>>52182343
>>52182361
I was mostly just wondering if there was a particular reason you'd think I'd find it dumb. Namely, that you yourself found it dumb.

That not being the case, I have added links and daggers/double daggers for Battleaxe; Tabarzin; Longsword; Kriegsmesser.

Updated PDF is on https://github.com/phzero/latexed-SOS/tree/phzero

I'd upload it, but if I uploaded every minor edit, I'd have to upload assloads and spam the thread (although less so now that the PDF is about half-way done)

>>52182322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k023M1uIUqg

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>>52182309
That's because he's a Grand Servant, and it was unclear whether or not he summoned himself into ancient Sumeria or was there flesh and blood.
During that story chapter he was calling himself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
>Ziusudra of Shuruppak is listed in the WB-62 Sumerian king list recension as the last king of Sumer prior to the deluge.

But whether that's just something he was calling himself as part of his disguise, or his actual identity is unclear because his actual profile in the game just lists him as "Old Man of the Mountain".

Grand Servants in general are what regular servants are imitations of, and are supposed to be used by the counter force to do various things. Grand Caster Solomon for instance could do practically anything including going back in time and remaking the Earth if he wanted to and wasn't too busy being a robotic fuccboi that only did what God told him to do until he died.
Nasu has also been building up to the Abrahamic God being different than other Divine Spirits for a bit now.

>>52183253
The Nasuverse blows when Nasu tries explaining shit. And is Arcade Bumstead no longer the power level conversation ender in Nasuverse, then? Fucking hell.

Also, any young adult schlock trying to portray the Abrahamic God is bound to suck.

>>52183385
That hasn't been the case since ORT was introduced in Character Material which came out in ~2006.

>>52176831
Oh hey it's fucking deleted again.

>>52183753
Uh oh.

>>52182309
Nobody knows who King Hassan is. Speculation is that he may be Cain as the First Man to Kill.

>>52183438
But Arc empowered by the planet is enemy power level+1, that hasn't changed

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Explain Karthack to be senpai.

>>52185384
It's the mythic east. It's the idea of that near eastern empire that somehow has always managed to exist parallel to any of the major european ones. It has no strict historical basis like the rest of the Voscan nations, but draws from Babylonian, Persian, and Islamic influences.

It is Immortal Karthack. It the empire of Men that is only outlived by Helian, and it shows all signs of continuing to persist. It is historically a magocracy, ruled by sorceror-princes, and is a sprawling conglomeration of provincial governorships bound under the greastest sorceror of the current generation. It is a newly made theocracy ruled - ostensibly - by the Moon herself, with the princes kept on to run day to day operations. It is a place of song and dance and small joys. It is a place of strict tradition, bound by an inviolate caste system and suffused with the will of goddess that impresses upon all with souls to hear her.

>>52185532
That was a stunningly well articulated answer. Thank you.

>>52183753
He willingly removed it himself upthread.

>>52185750
Wasn't that the other one?

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Okay. My merged version of SoS and Ballad is nearly complete except for one formatting error.

Can someone give combat a quick look again to make sure there's no contradictions from trying to merge the Ballad and SoS combat chapters?

>>52185384
Imagine Persia ruled by an actual god-king who is actually a woman who is actually a moon. She uses a mind control power audible to all Karthacki to keep them docile which they call the Song. Their society is almost Japanese or Korean/Joseon in it's regimented stratified class system, revolving around Kals, Zophs, and Guls. They have pimping armour, and a fuccboi supreme called the wolf of Karthack who runs around with stakes and star pickets which he uses to stab people to death. Doctor Doom lives off in the east, where he bitterly complains about sour grapes related to his crush who jilted him and how she's totally into him just tsundere and whatnot by making it rain 24/7, having small meteorites impact the ground and systematically ending the universe a not insignificant rate and violating as many ethics as possible

>>52185384
I love her eyes, and she has a cute nose.
................... :3

>>52185903
>Japanese or Korean/Joseon
The inspiration for that was Indian

>>52185903
>who is actually a woman who is actually a moon.
Who lives both on and inside herself.

>>52185935
To quoth the Jimmy, from Plebbit:

"It's complicated, very Jungian, she is the moon--but she is also Bocanadessia. She has a palace on the moon, but it is also within her sacred uterus. She is the moon, but she also lives on the moon, and the moon is within her, which means she lives within herself--and is also a garden surrounding the self she lives in, which is on the moon, but also inside the moon, but also in a palace in Karthack, which is not the moon and has no garden."

>>52186016
>a palace in Karthack, which [...] has no garden."
Karthack palace confirmed for shit.

>>52186042
That's why she has the second palace on the moon inside her uterus, presumably.

>>52185914
I don't know shit about Indian hierarchy, but know a tiny bit of shit about the two I mentioned.

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Fecht tomorrow fellow STALKER! Brace your loins, cod your pieces, sharpen your swords. We'll probably start sometime in the afternoon, EST.

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>>52186202
Les do it

>>52178431
>No matter how obvious it is from the context, it's always better to note under every piece of art that you are allowed to show it.
Which is exactly what I said. Way to go

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>>52182282
Thanks for the help. For the record I do like the swordy things.

Strengths caps on weapons arnt a thing anymore right?

Just got the last Iconic lads

>>52189282
No you didn't. There's still one more to go.