/btg/ Battletech General!

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haha butte hold amaris did literally nothing wrong, the rim worlds republic will rise again!

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Urbie LAMs for everybody!

>>52121741
Just shut the fuck up anon. You aren't funny. You aren't clever. You aren't original. You're trying to force a meme, and succeeding only in being a worthless cunt. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd put on and keep on a trip rather than hiding behind anon like a worthless cunt.

Find new material, because the only reason anybody cares about what you post is that you're wasting perfectly good thread space being a worthless cunt.

Battletech is not for weebs

>>52121804
Fuck off medron

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>>52121796
You act as if text on a screen is made out of paper and we can't grow trees anymore for Firestarters to burn down, anon. Calm down, son.

I find the older anime had a warmth to the characters that the newer stuff just doesn't manage. Happened sometime in the 90s.

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>>52121796
This is pasta, isn't it?
Also
> If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd put on and keep on a trip rather than hiding behind anon like a worthless cunt.
>Anonymous
>MFW

>>52121868
More than the characters, I prefer the older mechanical designs.

A lot of the 80s stuff, and mid 90s stuff, just felt beefier. Less showy, more viable. Especially as you start getting into the CGI-assisted age, I started noticing things looking less and less like something manufactured, more like someone glued a bunch of shards of glass together.

Think original transformers versus the new transformers under Michael Bay. It feels like the same sort of thing is happening to mecha series in Japan.

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Battletech is for weebs.

>>52121925
What he said. Some of the mecha I see recently have fragile joints. Don't get me started on some of the recent Macross fighters in mech mode. Sheesh. I like me mech chests beefy like a Dougram / Shadow Hawk and my legs thicc like an Archer.
And my mech penises tiny like a Penetrator. Locust CT MLs scare me. I think they are all manufactured in Kenya.

>>52101010
Herb's polls would mean more if they hadn't been so goddamned easy to miss. They should have been up-front in the General Discussion board rather than tucked away in some special board where there's no reason to be, 90% of the time.

>>52121796
get a load o' this clanner

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>"Ummm, anon you do main the Magistracy of Canopus, right?"
>"Don't even ask him, Becca, he's probably a misogynist who plays the Great Houses."

How do you reply to them?

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Jesus Christ bot, get it together.

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>>52121965
>I like me mech chests beefy like a Dougram / Shadow Hawk and my legs thicc like an Archer.

So stocky, it could only be 100 tons!

>>52122132
I mock them for maining any faction.

PICK MECHS

GO FIGHT

It is all you need.

>>52122137
I did this once with a Kingfisher, first turn of the game, fell on its head and popped the cockpit.

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>>52122282
Terminatorsinksintomoltenmetalandgivesathumbsup.webm

Tripod and Super Melee T-Rex Urbs added

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>>52121451
>Dougram tried to push the formula even further into the realism camp, but while that flies well with western audiences, there's good reason why Dougram has not continued to exist in Japan outside of plastic models.

Not at all.
Dougram never got big in Japan because the director went on to create VOTOMS which was a straight upgrade over the show.
VOTOMS exists and is getting new shows to this day.

Japanese also like realistic robots (they're simply not as autistic about it like some elements).
Heck, realistic shows have outnumbered their superhero counterparts for a long time now.

If you still get over it, just look at video games.
It was Japanese who made Steel Battalion, for instance. The single best mech simulator in the history of human kind.

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>>52122412
>Terminatorsinksintomoltenmetalandgivesathumbsup.webm

I now know why you cry... but it's something I can never do.

I know this is 2017, but how about a GIF?

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>>52122412

>>52121868
>>52121925
>>52121965
>>52122240
That's because you are old and your preferences are also old

>>52122132
>Freebirth Trash, You dare refuse my batchall?

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>>52121925
>Especially as you start getting into the CGI-assisted age

CGI allows for much busier designs but the thin designs are not really a part of it.
Viz. Bubuki Buranki vs Knights of Sidonia.
Bubuki is completely CGI and the robots are still decently bulky. KoS is a manga adaptation and yet the designs would most likely fall under your "shards of glass" definition.

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>>52122745
Wrong image, sry.

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Similarly, here's some non-anime example.
Bulky robots are still very much a thing, CGI or not.

>>52122137
I have had the bot, with mech equipped with JJs, instead of going over water or STINKING LAVA, wade into that mess and horribleness would ensue. I still don't trust it with VTOLs because the last times I did that every enemy VTOL went to the southeast corner of the map, bunched up, and became near useless the entire game. I used to keep a list of idiocy that the bot would engage in just for whatevers.

>>52122132
I main FS, mercs and play silly clans from time to time, but I also play as the "bad guy" factions (anybody the scenario calls for) for others to pound on who also provides a decent challenge for friends who need a campaign.
I would never, ever play MoC because I also don't know how to present myself as V-Boy either.
Back in the day a V-boy was a weirdo who would tuck their penis and testicles under them to present themselves as a female either to fool someone else, or as a joke. Doing so to your wife would eventually lead to divorce.

Holy hell numbers 2 and 3 are cute in that photo.

>>52122581
That may be true, but I have the same aesthetic problems with skinny women who look too fragile for a good shagging.

>>52123204
The bot not knowing how to control VTOLs is a known issue, at least. You can probably reduce its propensity for taking risky movement actions by altering the bot settings.

>>52123288
I see. When playing the bot sometimes I don't know if I should have background music of Lords of Thunder or Yakity Sax.

Does anyone have a copy of the Mario response to the Liao request for aid? The one with the 22 tons of toilet paper. I have a newbie in our merc group I want to show it to but I am on my mobile right now, not my desktop, so I don't have the image on this decice

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This?

>>52123548

Yes, thanks.

>>52122745

>Gurren Lagann
Isn't that like the complete opposite of BattleTech?

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>>52123557
Marik fluff gets even better

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Got my new elementals assigned to be with my Nova. Am I set for combat?

>>52122132
Of course I do.

>MoC is run by women
>respects life, prizes medical abilities
>no nuclear conflicts, survives comfortably

>other factions are run by men
>prize fighting
>worlds are engulfed in nuclear, biological and chemical war
>billions die

As a female gamer, this is one of the more realistic aspect of BT lore. Nations run by women are better run, safer and benefit from matriarchal government.

Please don't make a hateful argument out of this. I'm only pointing out how the story does correspond with real life. Women are more compassionate than men when in leadership positions, and this compassion is reflected statistically in how we vote.

Anyway, robots. Has anyone here used the Marshal?

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>>52123948

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Crud first pass.

>>52123948
7/10 bait, you can do better, I beleive in you.

>>52123558
We're talking about aesthetics/designs or mechs in general, not just Battletech.

Besides, TTGL is going through just about every mech franchise ever made, it's not only super-robo related, it's just its best parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb-y8_BFa4s

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>>52123948
>As a female gamer

>>52122132

Ahhhhhhh WOMEN! *runs away*

>>52123978
>>52124105
>>52124156
You can call it b8 if it makes you uncomfortable but I also asked a question. We can at least talk about mechs.

>>52124071
I-is that... my Crud design?

>>52123948
bait/10, well done, you almost got someone

>Has anyone here used the Marshal?
It's alright. Trooper/10. It troops pretty hard.

>>52123948
Those are some good points. We've talked about the differences in male and female voting trends in my political science classes.

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>>52121997
A-fucking men.

>>52120147
>I don't know where mahq gets their info, but it's as far as I am going to research that.
Model boxes and sidebars in art/design books. The canon, such as it is, is deeply inconsistent anyway. Their forum "discussions" about it make us look civil and rational.

> What can some /m/echa bro do to make their own Gundam and fight the never ending emo wars in the theater of their own minds?
Hit up Da Archive pdf thread - get Mekton Zeta, and the Referee screen (it contains the wargaming rules for using Mekton). In addition, there was a loosely Mekton-based game named "Gundam Senki", but Bandai pulled the license before got out of alpha in the states (during the Anime Crash in ~2002).

If you don't mind some mildly sloppy gameplay, there's "Gundam Collection Battles", which is a straight wargame port of the Gundam Generation console games. I recommend patching in activation rolls or another decent interlocking initiative system over IGYG, but it's still playable. Hit up the Yahoo mail group or Facebook group (you're looking for "Gundam Collection 1/400 Tactical Battles") for translated rules and stat cards. You can pick up the models on the 'bay or buy recasts from Maylasia - I do my own recasting personally, but there are a couple guys in the group who do an amazing job now that Bandai has stopped carrying anything in that scale range.

>>52121936
So?

>>52122132
I don't main, I don't play factions, I just GM. Now are you gonna finish writing up your MIIO cell before or after I finish this bottle of whiskey?

>>52123948
>Has anyone here used the Marshal?
Yeah. It's just a Griffin with an engine down-grade. The -6MC is the best variant (shocking, that..), but all three are decent Troopers. Personally, I'd pull the MPL on the -X1 for a pair of SPLs or a Medium and another pair or MGs

Also your political assertions are both unfounded and hilariously historically ignorant, but as you said we don't need to make an argument of this :P

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>>52124908
Another internal shot of Gundam Senki, the start of the Zeke section of the rulebook. It definitely uses some form of stat compression compared to Mekton, and not just the "The Movie!" rulesfor wargaming. Unfortunately, Bandai kept the official translator under a legal gag order so we've been trying to piece it together for several years without his help. Not sure where the community is on that, I dropped out of the Mekton groups back before the Kickstarter.

>>52123948
>women make better leaders
>a sampling of corrupt women leaders of nations in the 20-21 centuries
>eva peron
>imelda marcos
>park gyun-hye
>dilma rousseff

sure thing, "femanon"/10

>>52124908
>Also your political assertions are both unfounded and hilariously historically ignorant
Not her but her claims are backed enough to be taught in college. Perhaps you could expand on your opinion? She might not be willing but I'll argue on it.

>>52124978
>cherry pick examples
So by your standard every male leader is literally Hitler?

Take it to /his/ if you insist on this nonsense.

>>52124978
Not to rain on your parade but there are quite a few girls who play BattleTech (besides pretend ones like MadCap). Check out the OF sometime.

>>52124978
>>52123948

>Arguing about Battletech politics
>All Battletech universe politics are, like the economy and scale of the setting, cartoon garbled nonsense
>Treating any part of the Battletech universe seriously

Its beautiful what people will do in order to argue. And what bait they will take.

>>52124978
>talking shit about Dilma
>talking shit about the only Brazilian politician they didn't found proofs of being corrupt

She was impeach because she was left wing and she cut funds destined to media. Then the media painted her as literally devil incarnate. Our current president and the previous president, also from the workers party, are proved corrupts and even so she attracted all the hate

Also, Evita wasn't a politician. She married one

>>52125696
btw im a girl

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>>52125696
>Not to rain on your parade but there are quite a few girls who play BattleTech.

This is 4chan.
Chicks dig giant robots, but /m/ already filled out the quota for those. Only traps are allowed here unless you want to upset the laws of the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAc585bM52M

>>52122132

>implying I would ever allow girls at my gaming table

>>52126416
>"no girls allowed" fortress

You a Taurian player by any chance?

>>52126546
Seems more like something a clan player would do honestly.

Ok, this might be a bad time to ask but I'm looking for Canopian/Taurian/Outworlder variants of common battlemechs.

If anyone has made their own, I'd love to see them.

NEA, CampaignAnon, I'm kinda hoping one of you are here to contribute.

For example I know the Magistracy makes the Shadow Hawk but I'd be interested in a more "Canopian" Succession Wars refit for it. Maybe crossing into Griffin territory and replacing the AC with a PPC?

>>52126546

Nah, its generally just good practice for tabletop games.

Hey. Leave us Taurian players out of this sexist garbage.

>>52126706
Why do you believe that?

>>52127158

Cause women showing up at gaming sessions are never there for the game. They are either there for attention or because their boyfriend dragged them in

>>52126661
In which era? I've got some and would gladly come up with more

>>52122745
>Gurren Lagann

pls no

>>52123287
>I have low standards

translated that for you

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>>52124645
If you are our current art anon than yeah, its yours. Nice to meet you, I'm the sprite anon. Thank you for your hard work.

>>52127222
>t. Guy who does not known anymore outside his friends circle

>>52127588

>played with about 500 guys over the years
>never met a SINGLE woman who had the most basic idea what the fuck is going on

Yeah, I guess the problem is with me. Its not that hard to leave the nagging gf at home.

>>52127615
I know that feel dude. My buddy's girl is allowed a girls night whenever she wants, but lord help him if he wants to do a guys night.

Luckily it ended when she came and sat through 5 hours of planning a Shadowrun without strippers being called. Now she just thinks he has boring hobbies and friends.

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>>52127385
Do you have a problem with Large Crimson Face?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DF2qCd9TI

>>52127248
Late Succession wars to eve of the jihad.

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Thank you for the compliment OP

I can't unsee the face now

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>>52127424

>>52127755
Holy shit Anon. This is what was missing in my life. Thank you.

>>52127923
Looks like my gf.

Posting form last thread, but what other mechs have parts on their chassis that look like head phones/musical instruments?

>>52127657
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in neckbeard FLGS, and I’ve been involved in numerous War gaming sessions, and I have over 500 confirmed game buddies

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>>52127434
And thank you for honoring me with a sprite. I'll be sure to try and refine my older doodles and provide more if you feel like something needs an update.

>>52127657
You know she's banging dudes on the side right

>>52127923
I've never met a guy who says "Looks too skinny for a good shag hurr durr" who doesn't actually mean "I can only score fat slags"

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>>52128837

>>52128885
Can't handle the truth, anon?

>>52126661
>>52127887
I'm honestly of two minds when it comes to the TC. On one hand, I really love their 3085 style of fast heavies IJJs and weirdo weapon loadouts, but on the other hand I also feel like the style that actually fits their way of doing things in the pre-jihad era would be a lot different and much solid and bland, lots of "we took it, switched it to DHS, added CASE and more armor (where possible) and didn't really do much else"
I'll get examples of both up here in a bit

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>>52129194
Holy hell, *exploding Crusader noises*, did, did you, wait, hol' on, did you really, wait... seriously completely understand me... wait, this is too much, did you... get me, a complete stranger you never met online without ever meeting me?
And I thought Mistress Cleo was dead or something. Well clearly, anon, you got me. I can't beat your airtight logic. *masturbates a Locust ML in your face until it cums*
whatever.
big robits.
hot wommens.
yadda

>>52129287
lmao sad

>>52128823
Not my girl so I don't know the whole situation, but he hasn't said anything about it. Either he trusts her, or he's being super beta.

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so any other Touring The Stars you guys want to see?

I'm interested in building a Lyran Lightning Company.

What are some must-have Lyran-made 'Mechs for one?

>>52129685

Necromo, Galax or Alarion maybe?

>>52129685
>poulsbo
>not loric

Tell me that isn't real.

>>52129685
I don't know. Some have been pretty shit that I wonder why they bother.

>>52129699
Blitzkrieg imo, but opinions will vary. Spectre for sure. Commando, locust, Firestarter omni, Wolfhound, P-Hawk, Chameleon, Enfield, Nightsky, Starslayer, Uziel, Bushwacker, Griffin.

There are more, but those are ones I like.

>>52129699
Fireball exists and is lightning fast.

>>52129720
I was bored and thought about doing it as Cincinnatus instead, but meh.

>>52130018
>AnonyMOC
wut

I'm interested in playing as the Taurian military in an upcoming game and had a few questions.

First, what years did the Commando and Hatchetman become available? I realize it was in the 3050s sometime and Periphery 1E is wrong about 3025 era production, but I'm looking for specific years. And was the Hatchetman licensed or reversed engineered?

Second, do they make all three of the classic Bugs? If not, which do they make?

Third, the Rommel/Patton was never licensed for production, right? Assuming it wasn't, you guys don't think anyone would be too bothered by me using a couple Axel tanks made by the FRR as stand ins? Like maybe the TC couldn't produce Rommels/Pattons but after the Clan Invasion some FRR engineers/refugees brought the Axel schematics. Not too unreasonable, right?

>>52131434
>And was the Hatchetman licensed or reversed engineered?
reverse-engineered
>Second, do they make all three of the classic Bugs?
yes
>Third, the Rommel/Patton was never licensed for production, right?
no, but the Magistracy apparently imported a lot of them, and the taurians obtaining them by using the MoC as a middleman is plausible. besides which, they actually obtained quite a few when those mercs defected and they got spread out among several units, so they could just be those particular tanks
>Assuming it wasn't, you guys don't think anyone would be too bothered by me using a couple Axel tanks made by the FRR as stand ins? Like maybe the TC couldn't produce Rommels/Pattons but after the Clan Invasion some FRR engineers/refugees brought the Axel schematics. Not too unreasonable, right?
Importing Axels outright wouldn't be terribly implausible, either.
like realistically unless you run into our local autist, nobody's going to care if you've got axels or even the regular rommel/pattons in your taurian force on the table

>>52121796
Oh boy pasta I havent seen before!

>>52123948
LONDON

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>>52121716
So how many points is this Atlas fellow on the other side of the table and what armor/toughness does it have?

I don't imagine it should take more than two shooting phases.

srs question tho, where do I buy battletech models? I was looking for one in particular

>>52131540
Alright, thanks for the input.
Not to put you on the spot but source for the Magistracy importing a lot of them? Just curious, never heard that.

>>52131609
>where do I buy battletech models?
Ironwind Metals (use google) is the main source for BattleTech minis. Try to buy multiples at once to save on the exorbitant shipping. Note that if you want unseen, you're gonna have to go to eBay and basically hope to get lucky.

>I was looking for one in particular
Which one?

>>52131434

The Commando is weird in that it's this incredibly old machine that for nearly *600 years* has served all over the place in fluff but is magically restricted to the Lyrans, Circinians, and mercs for most of its life before suddenly becoming a Periphery General machine in 3025 or so. But eh. That's the MUL for you. Bugs should probably be more common though.

With the Hatchetman, canonically what happened is that prior to the 3050s or so the Hatchetman that were reported as being in Taurian service were actually just used by mercs the Taurians hired, who had a couple they were field-testing for the Lyrans. Because clearly what you do with your cutting-edge machine designed by the love-child of da Vinci and Tesla is give it to some mercs, amirite?

Vehicle-wise, people mostly just use the Vedette, that thing is supposed to be everywhere. I've seen more of the assault tripods from 3145 used more often than Vedettes in all my 22 years of BT gaming though so do the math on that one.

Katrina did allow for Rommels and Pattons to be sold to the Taurians before the FCCW to try and cause trouble for Victor. With the FRR, the Axel is a flat exclusive for them. On the one hand, you could argue that mercs and the like would be keen to get their hands on them. On the other hand, the Kungsarme would have been screaming for all of their production all of the time since its introduction.

>>52131719
With the Axel I meant like an AU production run for the Taurians. That would be within their teach capabilities, I think.

It's no prob but you don't roughly know what year the Commando and Hatchetman were put into production by the TC? The MUL only gives initial introduction dates for the developing faction.

>>52131637
>Not to put you on the spot but source for the Magistracy importing a lot of them? Just curious, never heard that.
periphery 2e describes "reconditioned rommel tanks" as being in use by MoC mech support tank battalions, page 38
>With the Hatchetman, canonically what happened is that prior to the 3050s or so the Hatchetman that were reported as being in Taurian service were actually just used by mercs the Taurians hired, who had a couple they were field-testing for the Lyrans. Because clearly what you do with your cutting-edge machine designed by the love-child of da Vinci and Tesla is give it to some mercs, amirite?
not quite. it's actually that the Hatchetmen and Rommels were from a merc unit that was for a very long time a staunch stiener unit until it's commander, crushed because his waifu melissa was marrying Hanse (yes, really) left for the CC, and died on the way his son was shit, so a large chunk of the unit left and ended up joining the TDF.
the retcon for the hatchetman first showed up in the OG 3050, so it fucking baffles me how the writers of objective raids missed it considering it was most of the fucking hatchetman fluff page, and the had to have read the book because 3050 designs like the Caesar were in OR
>>52131879
>With the Axel I meant like an AU production run for the Taurians. That would be within their teach capabilities, I think.
honestly the regular Rommel and Patton would be too. it's not like they're especially high-tech aside from the fusion engine, which was really only a big deal before the helm core, and the engine is conveniently already a model they produce a lot of anyhow

>>52131879

They got the Introtech Hatchetman into production somewhere around 3054 according to TR 3050U. I would assume the Commando factory comes in somewhere around then, maybe even after '57 since the Chippewa deal is pretty new too and that's when they sold them Rommel/Patton tanks.

In terms of starting new production, even putting in a heavy ICE line can be a pretty big deal. Up to you how you want to handle that.

>>52131879
The Commando was produced starting around 3050 in the Concordat.

What are some mechs that feature split crits? I need to see how to handle something and I can't think of any off the top of my head.

>>52132168
Emperor-6S

>>52132063
I'm just trying to thing of a heavy tank to AU into a licensed domestically produced MBT. Ajax, Manticore and Po were my main considerations. Plus maybe the Zhukov in small numbers.

>>52132186
Not in the TRO as a main unit, alas - I need to see how they handling formatting split ammo bins and split weapons in the TRO itself. Thanks though.

>>52132235
oh, the catapult C3 does, in 3050

>>52132286
>>52132235
Also, a mech that has TSM in more than two locations if anyone can think of one.

>>52132286
PS: thanks

Is attacking in melee a PSR, or does it just use your Piloting skill?

>>52132168

Pretty much everything with an IS LB-20X or Arrow IV.

All the ones I can think of have that be the only weapon in that limb, if that helps.

>>52132217

The thing is that in the same time frame you've got the TC pushing the limits of its capability to add new factories by putting in a bunch of new lines already in canon.

>>52132472

Just uses your pilot skill as the base TN.

Pilot checks come after if you screw up through.

>>52132495
>The thing is that in the same time frame you've got the TC pushing the limits of its capability to add new factories by putting in a bunch of new lines already in canon.
what are you talking about? they didn't add shit in the 50s aside from starting up a single new line for the Marshal and knocking off the Hatchetman

>>52132532

Check the books dude.

Trinity Alliance shit was going in everywhere, new Commando factory, getting the Slayer from the OA and Shilone from the Lyrans, sinking hilariously stupid amounts of money into trying to return a Vincent Mk. 39 to service, etc.

The Taurians didn't sit around with a lot of production capital and not use it.

>>52132564
>new Commando factory
not him, but I thought the commando was a 60s addition, not a 50s one
>>52132532
they were running their factories hard enough that they built two fat regiments in two years the minute they decided that selling all their mechs to merceneries and letting a guy named loren embezzle the money was not in fact a good plan

>>52130385
I like the Magistracy.

>>52131540
That's the nice thing about not having hard numbers on production - you can fluff having some in your force easily. "Sure, Pattons are rare in the Concordat, they just happen to mostly be in this battalion I field because the logistics group threatened to burn the capital to the ground if they had to deal with one more randomly scattered unit." Remember your force doesn't have to be representative of everything as a whole!

>>52131719
If it came to Commando or Javelin, I'd take the Jav any day. It may only be five tons difference, but that's six jump hexes that the COM-2D doesn't have.

>>52132472
Kick and don't miss. You'll generally be happier, and force a PSR on your target. (odds are you already fired off arm weapons anyway)

>>52132532
they were once supposed to be the producer of the Fulcrum also until that was complete black hole retconned, FWIW

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>>52132657
For reference, we're trying to avoid this...

>>52132622

OTOH, them producing the Fulcrum at all was just as pants on head retarded as having the Hatchetman, Rommel, or Patton during earlier times.

It was higher tech than some of the shit the FWL was producing.

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>>52132672
>>52132657
...or this.

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>>52127222
>>52127615
>>52127657

>>52132657
Works in adobe reader.

>>52132684
for what it's worth, the periphery sourcebook from a year later than TRO: 3058 described the taurians and canopians as being "very close to reaching technical parity with the inner sphere". with that as the standard the Fulcrum being their very fanciest tank seems reasonable enough

>>52132657
It did for me, then cleared up after five or six seconds. Was going to screencap it but it's fine. Firefox 52, Win7/64, and mostly full (waxing).

>>52132657
Works in Foxit Reader, Windows 10, moon is mostly full, I'm melancholic, the Taurians are pretty cool guys, etc.

>>52132657

Loads fine on ChromeOS.

>>52132686
lol what the fuck

>>52132657
it works fine in the firefox browser, even

>>52132727

There's technological parity, and then there's technological parity.

Like, OK, they can build LB-Xs and XL engines and whatever. But in the numbers of an IS house, or deploy them as widely to their forces (even on a percentage basis)? Not so much.

And then if it was going to be their super duper cutting edge thing, why is it exported primarily to the LAAF instead of jealously guarded and used as exclusively by them as the Axel for the FRR?

Changing it to be a Lyran design that was later licensed to the Taurians makes a lot more sense.

>>52132695

>i dont like something so it must be bait!

How many shitty "DMs girlfirend" scenario you had to sit through?

>>52132778
>There's technological parity, and then there's technological parity.
and then there's having neither, because FM:P retconned it all away

>>52132792
>How many shitty "DMs girlfirend" scenario you had to sit through?
unrelated anon, but I've actually never had that particular issue. I have actually had a good female GM who's boyfriend at the time was basically a trash-tier reddit I'M TOTALLY A NERD GUISE player who she brought along like once before she ended up dumping him

my personal theory is that it's inherit to couples where one is into /tg/ and the other isn't. It's like how the single civilian military husband I've met was just as much of a fat useless ass as the wives usually are

>>52131717
>>52131609
Ares Games is run by a fellow player, and is basically a middleman that cuts out IWM's bullshit shipping fees and archive crap.

>>52132835
>>52132792
Yeah, the primary female player I know is nicknamed "The 50-foot Lesbian" because that's how far away you can call her for a dyke. Also she's a former marine with a trashed back, so pretty much par for the course with BT players.

>>52132835
>It's like how the single civilian military husband I've met was just as much of a fat useless ass as the wives usually are
was he cheating on her with a woman named jodi?

>>52125351
Just browsing through but
>Implying everything taught at college has merit
>A place where sociology as its taught there is taken seriously

Really.jpg

>>52132778
>And then if it was going to be their super duper cutting edge thing, why is it exported primarily to the LAAF instead of jealously guarded and used as exclusively by them as the Axel for the FRR?
to be fair like 75% of all FASA-era characterization of the TC outside of books named "the periphery" was about them exporting military shit

>>52132835
Im into BT and my gf is into D&D but I imagine those type of couples are rare.

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Damn, AtB isn't kidding when it says "Big" battle. Two opposing companies deploy on each side of the map and my two-lance formation is caught in the middle. I went straight for the northern guy but torrential rain and a number of lucky rolls really saved my butt in this game - most 'mechs just couldn't get up after being knocked down by focused fire, and a lot of enemy pilots blacked out trying to do so.

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>>52129685
>TTS
To be honest, I feel like they've outright gone into too much detail with those.

I just want all the dots on the map to inform me if it's a temperate world, a desert world, an ice ball, a water world, or a hostile rock without an atmosphere. Maybe a couple of cities and what kind of factories they have. A couple reasons why it's important to the successor states outside of tax revenue.

Instead they went way into depth about the history and economic structure of the worlds.

I don't know, man. I'd rather see products like printable hexpacks, new mapsheets, and other similar game aids.

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>>52133624
No kidding, man.

Here's my tip for you. If you have weather turned on, Megamek loves night missions, rain, etc. The best way to counter that are jump capable mechs and melee weapons.
Darkness/rain/fog doesn't slow down jump jets, and it usually only applies half the handicaps to melee that it applies to weapons fire.

My Ti-Ts'angs have proven a godsend.

If you can buy it, Tracer ammunition in your ACs is a wise move. Reducing damage output by one in order to reduce darkness mods.

>>52126661

I have a few that I cooked up. All Introtech/SW-era. I especially like the OA Wasp; I've used it before and it works great. The MoC Locust is something I've been meaning to try as well.

Outworlds Alliance variants:
>Wasp WSP-1OA
Removes SRM2 and ammo, and two Jump Jets, replacing it all with an LRM5 and a ton of ammo
>Stinger STG-3OA
Replaces the two Machine Guns and ammunition with two Flamers.
>Locust LCT-1OA
Removes both Machine Guns, ammunition, and two tons of armor and adds 8 JJs.

Magistracy of Canopus variants:
>Shadow Hawk SHD-2MOC
Removes the SRM2 and ammunition; adds two Jump Jets and an additional Medium Laser.
>Locust LCT-1MOC
Removes all weapons and installs an LRM5 and a ton of ammunition in the CT, and a Small Laser in each arm.
>Wasp WSP-1MOC
Removes all weapons and ammunition, a ton of armor, and two Jump Jets and places a Large Laser in the right arm.

Taurian Concordat variant:
>Locust LCT-1TC
Removes all weapons, and two tons of armor. Uses a GM 120 Fusion Engine from a Stinger. Installs a PPC.

>>52126661
here's a few periphery bugs of mine from old games
>LCT-1KT: three MLs, very simple. Drac and periphery variant, also very common among mercs
>WSP-1T: Removes JJs and SRMs to add two LRM-5s and a ton of ammo; skinny taurian valk. Subvariant has only one LRM and 4JJs
>WSP-1MC:Removes all JJs and weapons, adds six MLs. Hideous in a city, also a hilarious bodyguard
>STG-3MC: removes all weapons and JJs for a LL and additional armor. Tries to be a trooper but can't quite pull it off. Good for hunting regular bugs, though
>WSP-1MP: removes the JJs and SRMs, adds a second ML and upgrades the engine to a 180. A few drop the second ML for a Supercharger. Nobody expects a Wasp to outrun their locust, decent for fast harassment

>>52126661
I've thrown together a few 3025 periphery variants of the most common assaults on the principal of maximum suitability, and once I find the damn things I'll put them up

>>52126661
Personally, I don't think that the periphery really had much to differentiate it for the longest time.

I mean, they had the whole "late to the party" aspect when it came to the tournament level tech, and floundered around with introtech until the Rocket Launchers came out, and even those were more dedicated to the Marian Hegemony.

Variants? I'd say anything that moved towards lower-tech, lower cost options; machine guns, namely.

For example, with a captured Vindicator, swapping the PPC and some heat sinks for an AC/5 and a ton of ammo. For a captured Commando, swapping out the arm-mounted SRM4 for a quartet of machine guns.

When I think of faction-related refits, I try to think about 'mechs that a given faction is already known to make frequent use of, and try to incorporate those parts into other things.

For example, the DCMS frequently uses PPCs, SRM4s, LRM10s, Medium lasers, AC/5s, and Small Lasers. (Using Panthers, Quickdraws, Dragons, and Chargers as the basis). Having "Faction refits" that use parts outside of those before starleague tech starts cropping up is a bit strange. Using the parts that the faction would already rely on would make things easier for quartermasters, rather than using the parts that would be stock for other factions, but harder to maintain back home.

>>52134079
>I'd say anything that moved towards lower-tech, lower cost options; machine guns, namely.

This. Like the old stories of Periphery Archers that would open their missile doors and the bays would be filled with SRM's and machine guns instead.

>>52133917
>STG-3MC: removes all weapons and JJs for a LL and additional armor. Tries to be a trooper but can't quite pull it off. Good for hunting regular bugs, though

I think everybody has made this exact mech out of a bug at some point. I called mine the Desert Asp.

>>52133624
>>52133814
>melee weapons.
I'm actually finding Claws a fairly acceptable substitute for TSM (it's 3047 in this campaign) - the modded Crael (added jumpjets and moved around the criticals) pretty much accounted for about half of the red smears you see in the top right, although by the time we had broken the northern group the southern group was arriving and quite fresh.

>>52134139
I can attest to this, though I did it with a Wasp and kept the Jumping in lieu of the additional armor, as seen above.

>>52131609
Ebay and amazon for common stuff.

>>52134079

They just in this weird limbo of nothing mattering and nothing interesting happening to them.

Who are they going to fight anyway? Eachother? Even the largest ones are supposed to be barely able to field mechs so whats the point? They dont have anything interesting or unique just frankenmechs either. Their largest players are also boring as shit, space femocracy and some salty xenophobes?

If anything, they should have made the Periphery a successor of the 3025 space eighties mad max feel even as the rest of the Inner Sphere moved on. Or make a whole gaggle of interesting Periphery states for constant small scale wars and conquests, there is so much space and untapped potential to add even dozens of tiny little factions. Crunchwise, just add them some ultra-cost effective and cheap frankenmechs or something as unique designs, maybe some SLDF era ancient salvage like Mackies repaired with duct tape and fielding nothing but MGs.

>>52134190
It depends what you consider interesting. Some people find fighting pirates to be interesting, especially when there is pretty much an equal playing field given the tech disparity between the Periphery and Successor States. Also raids from the States themselves, which were likely, especially if you're the OA, given their relative pacifism. It's just a different "game" really. More dirty and frontier-like, less war, more "cops and robbers".

>>52134190
That's exactly what they did to all the Periphery not involved with Xen Sheng though, except also salting in some ultra cutting edge tech from the Blakists some places since the robes have always heavily recruited from the Periphery since forever.

Until the Jihad anyway where they killed every last of the fun pirate nations left.
>Hell's Horses killed the New Belt Pirates offscreen and only mentioned in one throwaway line

Why do clanners have to ruin everything?

>>52134139
Speaking of customization, what kind of work would need to be done to not customize ONE mech, but instead to create a refit kit that you could use over and over again.

For example, if you had a way that you wanted to customize a mech, it's pretty risky, but if you came into a good number of mechs and wanted all of them customized the same way, could make a refit kit (for a private game) outside of the factories? What would the requirements be?

Anyone run a a map campaign outta campaign operations? Howd it go?

>>52134267
Actual kits are issued by real factories that have all the original engineering specs. Otherwise, if you got a pile of parts you have to roll each individual modification.

Hey are protomechs worth their bv/real moneys?

>>52134599
They are decent'ish when you field them as single suits.

TW says they have to be fielded in points of five.

I've never used them, but I can't justify using something that plays like one unit, but counts as 5 for BV purposes.

>>52134599

Horrible idea, horrible implementation, horrible to play. Fanfiction tier.

>>52134629
>TW says they have to be fielded in points of five.

Nobody plays them that way though. All the minis are singular and even megamek lets you use single units.

>>52134190
>Even the largest ones are supposed to be barely able to field mechs
that was never a thing m8. even at the maximum mad max 3025 the big three periphery states were described as being more or less scale-model successor states in tech and military terms, the peripjery=shittech forever meme was about the bandit kingdoms and minor states and really just a meme thing

>>52134693
On the other hand, I've never seen them used outside of Megamek.
Even if "Everyone" uses them as single units, if it's not the way TW says, it's houseruling. It's no more "Wrong" as using floating criticals or ECCM rules is wrong, but it's not the standard rules. Making decisions based on the default as presented in the books is the best way to go

Basing armies on the expectation that the other random joe you play against will agree to stuff outside of the core rulebook is iffy. At least by sticking to the contents of the core rulebook, you've got a solid foundation to stand on when a rule argument breaks out mid-game. Too many people playing have strange skewed perceptions of the rules due to years of playing in insular gaming groups while misunderstanding the rulebooks and/or never updating from rulebooks made before "Gangsta's Paradise"

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Played a game of Alpha Strike yesterday. Resulted in a draw...amazing fun. Board was fantastic too

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Two objectives. Had to hold a power generator and a farm from pirates. We managed not to concede anything and I was killing mechs left and right.

>>52134801
It is universal though, mostly for the reason that nobody is a big enough dick to make somebody field a homogeneous Protomech star when they're rare enough on the board that people usually want to try a couple different models. Most people don't use bog standard rules either. There's always some kind of Tacops/Maxtech/whatever stuff in there. Like I can't ever recall a time someone didn't allow backing up over an elevation change.

Consider it like the crit rolling section in the current manual "This was the rule previously, but literally nobody played it that way so we figured we would make it official."

>>52134599
Depends on the proto really. Anything 2 tons is garbage though, and they don't get real scrappy until around 5 or 6 tons.

>>52134693
>All the minis are singular and even megamek lets you use single units.
The points of five is for movement order. Protos are single units, but you organize them in points which means you have to move the entire point before moving another unit. But you move and fire with each individual protomech in the point on its own.

Fielding understrength points within reason is fine, and the Society ran them in Uns of 3 each. But saying you've got 5 points of one protomech each or something is bending it a bit much.

>>52134887
>which means you have to move the entire point before moving another unit

I knew that. I thought he was saying you have to take five Minotaur standards if you took even one. Maybe we were talking past each other.

>>52134259
>Why do clanners have to ruin everything?

Collectivist societies are all garbage, clanners are no exception

>>52132696
>>52132731
>>52132735
>>52132750
>>52132767
Thanks anons

>>52132757
I wish I knew

>>52134840
>>52134854
Always like to see actually alien terrain

>>52134875
iirc even if you play with a Star they don't have to be homogenous, unlike BA.

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>>52134840
Dem crystal structures and alien trees

This has probably been thrown around dozens of times but best clan?

Blood spirit

>>52134737

Fasanomics was still present in such unbelieveable force that it made suspension of disbelief impossible. Interstellar states with dozens of planets who can barely manufacture tanks? But maintain functional space navies? Come the fuck on.

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>>52135238
This always bothered me. I mean hell, in the 20th century a crap world power like the soviets could manufacture a metric fudge-ton of tanks, although not quite at the high quality as the US and such, but they could scrounge together a massive production line. Why can't some regular old world manufacture some junk tanks equivalent to a T-74 with maybe a variant of an upgraded regular cannon or AC? I wouldn't think ACs are magical future science since Russian AA tanks have mini versions of them.
It shouldn't be too hard to dig up the metal and other resources to do so.
FASA!

>>52135238
yeah, I hate all the old grogs who cling to "muh lostech" and "muh lance v lance for worlds"

>>52135238
Battletech hardware has always been stupid rugged. It's part of the amazing tech of the Star League. So that analogy really doesn't make sense.

>>52135326
One of the core bits of old school FASAnomics was either you have a factory for something or you don't.

Theoretically some backwater could discover a hidden factory that makes whole Exterminators complete with the CLPS and start cranking them out, but lack the factories for any combat vehicle fancier than the generic APCs, and simply never be able to make anything better.

>>52132532
Headcannon

>>52132684
What was so high tech about the Fulcrum? An XL engine?

>>52132657

Tested on all the various readers and browsers I got like last time and it's working fine.

>>52135469
Thanks. Were you having issues with any of them last time?

>>52132532
Plus in Periphery 2E Jeffrey Calderon had their arms factories expanded in terms of production. One of the first things we ever did besides shutting down his father's useless projects. Of course this all got forgotten by writers around Xin Sheng because reasons (like Loren).

>>52132657
Foxit reader 8.0205.
Windows 7/32 bit
GF's period is full she's baying at the moon
No problems here. Good work.

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Is this purple burd war crimes enough? I'm planning a campaign with one of these as a focal point for rage.

>>52135326

What they'd get is a support vehicle with rifle cannons, IE hings that aren't even worth fielding against actual combat assets.

>>52135454

XL Engine, on a vee, from the Periphery, in like 3056. When they aren't even supposed to have that tech until after the Trinity Alliance and it doesn't become commonplace for them until ~3065.

>>52135498

Nope. They all worked clean.

>>52135570
That's in, an XL engine is more advanced than what the FWL has?

>>52135613

Well, it also has TAG and a GECM.

Meanwhile in the FWL, their Ontos upgrade gets a SFE.

The Fulcrum is actually quite high-tech.

>>52132657
Anon who has problems opening with Moon+ here. This file opens just fine and it didn't crash at all

>>52135642
I almost feel it's equally a case of the FWL getting shat on by the writers so if a periphery state gets nice things it's doubly damning.

>>52135532

It's all nebulous handwaveium though. What does increased production /mean/?

>>52135672
Usually it means more of /thing/ made. But yeah, it is handwaveium in BT because we're never given hard numbers on anything anymore. It does still make things like the unwillingness to repair damage regiments in the St Ives war suspect though.

>>52135666

Just be thankful I didn't compare it to what the Dracs were getting.

The Ontos Upgrade is *blazingly* high tech compared to their shitpiles. Let alone the Fulcrum.

Ultimately I think it makes sense if the Periphery is around a generation, maybe two behind the major powers for tech. For the Fulcrum in particular, I feel like if the Taurians had early access to a 26X Engine they'd want to go for the 260 for their Thunderbolts, and the GECM/TAG package would be used on a scouting design, maybe Phoenix Hawks with Ferro-Fibrous and the MGs ripped out to accommodate the change.

Everyone prioritised their 'Mechs for the roll-out of new technologies, after all.

>>52135729

Take a look who wrote it and who wrote Field Manual Periphery. Different crew, different priorities. As explained before, the Periphery stuff from before gets forgotten by the next time they work on a new book and they go in new directions.

>>52134875
>There's always some kind of Tacops/Maxtech/whatever stuff in there. Like I can't ever recall a time someone didn't allow backing up over an elevation change.

This is not at all my experience in games. When I found a player at my LGS, we always ran bog standard total warfare. Anything else meant bringing more books.

That, and out of fear someone was going to start demanding game-breaking shit like "improved vehicle rules" again. It's pretty much as big a jump in effectiveness as having a C3i network, except for free.

>>52136192
Improved vehicle rules are only wanted by tankfags that are upset mechs are the lords of the battlefield. Those people aren't worth playing with in the first place.

>again

I'm so sorry you had to meet one of those people.

>>52135832
As far as the Dracs go, the DCMS has such shitty vehicles because of the whole Mechwarriors = Samurai, Vehicles = Filthy Peasants mentality. Except for a few exceptions like the Schiltron, this has mostly held true, as they still mostly field bulldogs, missile carriers, maxims, and the various 35-ton hovercraft.

But you make a very good point about the Fulcrum. I hadn't known they made it back then, and wasting an XL on a hovercraft rather than upgrading mechs to support it would be bullshit. A downgraded Fulcrum would make sense, though.

>>52135563
That's not particularly rage-worthy

>>52135592
Cool. Thanks.

>>52135656
Awesome, your report was one of the three big ones that had me scratching my head.

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>>52136206
Not quite met, but had a match with back when /tg/ had matches over... god, I don't even remember what it was called, but it always used to fuck my internet connection up by making a proxy connection.

Dude was going to play hells horses, I said OK.
He started fucking with all the Megamek settings in order for it to play "like the mekwars campaign he's in". Again, whatever, can't be that bad. Includes Improved Vehicle Survivablilty rules. Takes four Eponas and a Thunder Stallion.

It's not even close. I'm not a competitive player, but I've played with the Toronto guys who are pretty much only second to Cincinnati and have held my own. My LB-Xes and Plasma Rifles did jack shit, Infernos do nothing... all for free. Everything that works against vees was useless.

So besides the fact that most players I run into are the old dudes who've never paid attention to the game since the clan invasion kicked off, and the fact that it's another tome that has to be squeezed into a backpack on the way to the LGS alongside everything else, the third reason I'm reluctant to use Tacops outside of RP campaigns that I'm GM'ing is because there's a lot in there that changes the rules dramatically without adequate balancing factors. Like, of course the guy with C3 Networks wants the ECCM rules, and of course the guy with the Piranhas wants the machine gun burst fire rules...

Random weather on top of random maps sounded pretty cool, and the extra tech would have been nice to dabble in, but outside of megamek, if I'm stuck being the guy who brings everything while the players simply grace me with their presence and showing up relatively on-time, besides my own prejudices, there's still enough reason to not start dabbling in those rules.

>>52136275
Should have added: 15 x nukes.

>>52136293
Hamachi. Was probably that cunt Derv

>>52136293
>oh no vees might approach being worth their BV
>why can't I shit all over them

> the fact that it's another tome that has to be squeezed into a backpack on the way to the LGS
Get a car, loser

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>>52136301
>15 x nukes.

Blake Eleison, brother.

>>52136293
You can always just print out a couple relevant pages from the PDF's for the rules you use. It's what I do. My buddies and I use

Sprint/Evade
Can set MG's to Burst Fire (must decide which ones before match starts)
All alternate ammos as long as it fits the scenario (no tandems in 3025, that kind of thing)
Mines
ECM/ECCM/Ghost Targets
Hotloading
Quirks
Extended+LOS range brackets for appropriate weapons
Artillery
Fire+smoke (just build and spread; no drift, fuck that noise)
Careful stand + actuator penalties
Advanced melee (Shove/Grapple/etc)
Backing over elevation change for mechs and V's
Laser dialdown
PPC field inhibitor disengage
Gauss rifle power down

I think that's all. Sometimes I have to remind myself that stuff like careful stand isn't standard because it's so natural it feels like it should be.

>>52136317
>I can't keep my tanks oriented front or back to incoming fire

Git gud scrub

>>52136311
Could be.

I regularly use vees as a part of combined arms, so I'm far from against them. Even jump infantry is starting to grow on me.

I'm just against rules tweaks that make them worth far more than their BV is listed as.

>>52136317
New material, Courage of your convictions, etc.

>>52136317

Vees are already worth their BV. If you turn survivability rules on they should have their price jacked up accordingly.

>>52136509
>My buddies and I use
That's the main issue that I face. Right now, I've only really got one dude that I'm able to get games in with. throws his weight around a lot of the time. Big guy, used to getting his way, doesn't know the rules that well anymore... you know the type. Kind of one of those "Let the wookie win" scenarios since there's nobody else to recruit and no LGSes with tables. (Tried getting permission at a local card shop. That didn't go over well).

But generally speaking, I've been playing with any joe that I could get who responded to e-mail, facebook groups, texts, phone calls, or whatever method they made me use "Because they don't use anything else". that meant there was never really a "Group", just a lot of pick-up games with individual players, so the idea of using the "Default" has been important to me. Building off of that is something that comes with time and tighter circles, but even getting a straight answer out of the devs has most frequently been met with "Whatever works for your group".

Thanks devs. There is no group. Now when I find a random joe off the street and we haven't gone over the entire rulebook piece by piece to determine what we do and don't want to use, what can I assume is the default standard to build off of.

>>52136515
Vees get shit on even when taking fire from the front

>>52136599
>carless loser that can't make friends

lol

>>52135102
I would tell you, but every time I start to like a clan, it gets killed off.

Steel Viper, Dead
Ice Hellions, Dead
Blood Spirits, found out the Blood Kite mini doesn't look a quarter as good as Plog drew it, defeating the point, then they died
Goliath Scorpions, might as well be dead

Getting attached to anything that isn't a writer's favourite is risky business.

>>52136523
>>52136533
not the one who started this, but Idon't think vees are even close to worth using unless vee survivability is on. Without it you pay hundreds or thousands of BV for something that pops or gets immobilized then pops the instant it takes fire.

>>52136683
>liking the blood kite

You deserve to suffer desu

>>52135102
>>52136683

>"The only good clan is a dead clan."
>-Precentor Jackson, WoB Precentor Zebeneschamali, 3095

>>52136693
>pops or gets immobilized then pops the instant it takes fire

V's have a shit ton more armor relatively compared to mechs of the same weight and speed because it's distributed to fewer locations. The comment about keeping front or back pointed at the enemy is because the crit rolls fuck you over when you take hits from the side. You can pound a Von Luckner into scrap from the front and maybe take some drivetrain damage or jam the turret.

>>52136683
>picked Ghost Bear by chance back in the early 90s
>everything has gone better than expected

closest thing to loss I've ever had to know was when the faggot cats jumped the border and tried to steal one of our Leviathans, and ended up costing us most of our warship fleet. They paid for it in the end though.

>>52136801
>TFW the cats should have successfully stolen that Leviathan due to the canon event

>>52136747
This.

Also, depends on what you take.

Hover vees depend on never getting hit, but often have the +4 TMM to make that happen.

Tracked vees are beefy enough to be able to shrug off most fire from the front save for lucky 12s. They slow down, but rare is the case where you get immobilised on the first round of fire. They usually carry enough armor that they can ruin someone's day before securing any kills. The Myrmidon, for example.

The wheeled vehicles though... those ones specifically need a bit more love. Too many negatives, not enough positives.

...but they're all scaled appropriately to BV, and why a Saracen with the firepower of a Valkyrie with 50% more speed and a ton more armor costs about 100 BV less. The survivability drop is accounted for already in the BV, you just need to understand that they can't be used in the same way that you use a standard mech.

>>52136815
They suck though so it's better they didn't. Plus they wouldn't have had the manpower or resources to use it.

>>52131717
the Uziel, I always liked the design.

>>52133012
Thanks, I'll check that one out.

>>52137241
Yeah it was my favorite in MW4!

>>52137271
Aw... Looking at the actual model doesn't really give me a reason to bother.

I guess I'll just keep it to my digital Uziel.

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>>52137314
You'll want the Jacob Uziel with the chin pieces, not the standard 3S. The plastic Dark Age one isn't bad either and is about small enough for regular battletech.

>>52137372
Found an Uziel on Ebay... 14,30 euros.

Full title: Mechwarrior Falcons Prey #113 Tracy Crowder - Uziel

Now I'm not 100% sure what size it is, but I'll probably attempt a few renovations with my warhammer 40k bitz. Perhaps I'll be able to make it look even more badass than it already does.

I don't understand why killing a faction is an issue.

You don't need factions to play the game and they are there simply to provide a background for your matches.

Who cares if they kill my favorite faction? The game will still be fun and there will be many other factions I can play with. Worst case I can simply create a merc unit deploying similar mechs a specific (dead) faction does

In Jihad and Dark Age my favorite factions are RotS, Capellan Confederation, Sea Fox, Jade Falcon, Spirit Cats, WoB and Society. I liked how they killed Society and WoB and I'll be very disappointed if they don't kill more factions in my list at the end of Dark Age.

>>52137490
Too expensive. You don't need the unique mini, get a common. Look for a seller named Wrok-It, he has a shit ton of MWDA minis and he sells them really cheap. Talk to him and he will tell you the prices

I can take a picture for you, if you want to see the mini scale

>>52137490
That's one of the plastic Dark Age ones. A rare one, too. That's why it's that high. Find an unnamed one and it should be about 1/10 that cost.

>>52137522
>>52137534
>Tfw already bought it

Damn digital money... So unreal, so easy to spend.

Also
>Not buying a rare version of a mech I really like

>>52137562
You'll totally destroy the value if you cut it up or paint it though. The model itself is the exact same between the rare and the common, minus paint and stats.

>>52137562
To be fair most of my MWDA collection is composed of unique minis. I've spent way too much for a Republic Mad Cat III and the MWDA line director Jackalope

>>52137596
I play 40k, every box I open loses value by default. Making something I like look cooler probably won't bother me much.
>>52137618
Also, forgot to mention

the total price was like 8.50 euro, the shipping was just 4.80, hence why it probably looked expensive.

>>52137618
>tfw I accidentally wrecked a rare machine one time because it was a Green and I figured it was common and I could use it for a diorama

I forget what it was, but it was worth a bit. Some Drac machine.

>>52137498
I agree.

Makes me unable to stand the Nova Cuck fans who can't get over their faction being dead like it deserves.

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>>52137882
Obligatory.

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>>52132657
>ywn have an ugly duckling story like this

>>52138085
Well shit, that was the wrong one, and I can't find the original. Post it Muninn. Do eet.

>>52137947

Why is this a problem again? He seems awfully reasonable.

>>52138101
Because we can't have voices of reason. Only hardliners!

>>52137498
In truth WoB really isn't even dead, just inactive as a faction OOC. The actual core of the Word, ROM and the like, survived the Jihad. It was only most of the Militia and MD that died, and they lost Terra and stuff. They functioned without it before. I think they may have even ended the Jihad with more forces than they had on paper when it started. I'm sure we'll see them again.

>>52138148

Look at the CGL shill. Look at him and laugh, everybody.

>>52138101
Because muh Cats should have got a Leviathan durr

>>52138101
The part where he didn't take all the prexisting Dark Age material into account when he was whining about stuff in 2009. Bears had a ton more designs by then that he doesn't mention, as well as the Nova Cats siding with Katana getting ready to die, while the Bears had the whole Second Dominion War already spelled out as well as how kickass their army was in the late 3130's.

Basically his own retarded outlook was because of not paying any actual attention.

>>52138210

Well, they did win the trial.

But they were supposed to get their asses handed to them and never even get close to winning for plot reasons.

>>52138550
Plot makes sense.

>>52138550
Like the WoB losing on Odessa and Dieron. Imagine if they had actually properly evacuated Gabriel and held onto Fortress Dieron. Lesson of the story is don't make canon events if you're not willing to make them canon.

Have they even done canon events the last couple of years? The storyline hasn't exactly been moving forward so I would guess not.

>>52138632
Of why if the WoB had succeeded at both those battles?

What might have happened?

>>52139061
It would have given more time to either fortify or evacuate Terra, larger fleet resources for the Wobbies, and generally bogged down SCOUR and bled the Bears, the Dracs and the Lyrans.

Also we could have had a lot more Kingpin references.

>>52139061
I almost forgot, if the Bear fleet was still tied up at Dieron during the Battle for Terra, the Wobbies may have actually won that fight Case White style and thrown all those Stoner assholes off the homeworld. Might have even bought them enough time to put Fortress up around the place.

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>>52138632
>Have they even done canon events the last couple of years? The storyline hasn't exactly been moving forward so I would guess not
They haven't done canon events since the Nova Cat debacle, although they've had "historical refights" of things that haven't happened yet in the plot. Like the bit where Incest Wolf killed Stone with a headshot on Terra a couple years ago. Pic related.

Basically, the problem is that FASA left wiggle room in their plots and still had the actual game designers working scenarios. FASA sort of balanced them and had actual teams of people playing, as well as doing sidelines to the real action (so instead of "Let's fight ALL OF TUKAYYID" they'd do some shit like a side battle with the Adders). That preserves the general plot direction while allowing the players to actually make a noticeable difference.

CGL, meanwhile, is a couple of mid-ranking mooks from FASA's story department and their author friend, so they tried to make the Canon Games PIVOTAL TO THE PLOT AND SHIT(tm), without considering that maaaaybe that was a bad idea if they hada plan they were already going to write. So they tried to rig the canon games, and like any good trolls Cincy rose to the challenge and shit up their plans. So CGL threw a tantrum and withdrew canon games instead of thinking about how to run them fucking properly. Of course, creativity has never exactly been their strong suit.

>>52135570
>>52135326
>>52135352
>>52135334

>planets with billions of inhabitants are unable to build or develop any half decent airforce, tanks or at the very least some artillery(strap big gun on tractor technology)

There is a realm where fasanomics is just magical realm tier bullshit. The soviets managed to field some 30 million men and hundreds of thousands of combat vehicles with 40s tech and while getting invaded. They built 85.000 T-34s alone. Best korea, a tiny part of a tiny peninsula and a stalinist shithole can field 4 million men right now. Even an independent planet, much less a star empire should be able to field hundreds of millions of men and millions of vehicles.

I'm not trying to say the setting should go full realism(even though its drifting towards muh tacticool grimdark" but there should be a limit. A 12v12 mech fight shouldnt decide the fate of a world. Normally its not that jarring with the feudal successor lords but its especially noticeable when it comes to the periphery.

>>52139409
Scary.

>>52135238
One of the few good things Catalyst is doing- making all those FASA economics fade away. No more debates about "BUT YER STATE CANT AFFORD THAT EX-EL ENJUN".

>>52139061
If the word had been able to properly evacuate Odessa- or had just stayed the fuck away after the first attack by the lyrans and WiE- then they would have saved a Baron, Essex, and Black Lion at a minimum in exchange for not damaging the Mjolnir "Yggdrasil", along with maybe saving that Naga they were working on. Just having another 4 warships freed in 3074-3075 at the first attack could have kept coalition from landing on Dieron as that would have given the Blakists a massive fleet of 14 warships.

Ok, I need /btg/'s take on this:

>playing some faction based games with people at LGS
>one of the players deploys a few mechs that are pretty good but not on their faction's availability lists on the MUL
>point this out
>he says the mechs are on the "mercenary" availability list
>says that if mercs can get ahold of them then rich factions should be able to via buying or salvaging
>everyone agrees with him

Is he right? If so I don't get the point of the "mercenary" list on the MUL at all. It just means anyone can have the mech apparently.

How stringent are you guys with players using mechs not available to their claimed faction on the MUL?

>>52142637

Not stringent. I do not use the MUL for campaign purposes at all, preferring to use it only for pick up games or quick forces.

>>52142637
Well, I generally limit how many mechs I count as "Salvage" from other factions to about 1/4. More than 1/2 and it doesn't feel like a faction force, anymore.

The issue being that since faction mul's don't have to be stuck to religiously, the amount of flexibility can vary from group to group.

For example, while I don't bother with the mercenary tables, I do have a few slots in my roster for 'mechs and vees that don't normally show up in the DCMS, but tried to consider where these technologies came from. For example, the Stone Rhino and the Grendel obviously were captured during the assault on CSJ, the Grizzly and Arcas during fighting with CGB, and the Thug, Thor artillery, and Chaparrals survivors of the War of 3039.
These make up a small percentage, though, of my force. Maybe 15% or so.

>>52142637
Salvaged items can be readily found in any major force's TO&E regardless of era. It's cheaper and quicker to repair and press into service a unit that they don't manufacture. As long as it isn't some super-rare unit or out of era, I'd say it's fine as long as it's not excessive. How much is excessive will depend upon where the deploying unit's from and the era.

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>>52138085
>>52138099
Got you senpai

>>52138632
>tfw WoB Protectorate Militia get shipped in and still kick Burr tail

WOB STRONK

>>52138632
No, they got tired of putting all that work in and still having it blow up in their face.

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>>52143392
>That sketch

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Canon Crusaders added to sprite release:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fiwuuvgoyoam97m/Sprite%20Release.7z?dl=0

>>52143392
That sketch is legendarily bad. Was it a torso cockpit with a head-mounted RAC or something?

>>52142637
The MUL is for you to make *your* force, not for you to nitpick other people's.

If you agree to a certain tonnage or BV then you need to deal with what your opponent uses instead of whining over some salvaged rides.

>>52143816
>The MUL is for you to make *your* force, not for you to nitpick other people's

When in the history of Battletech has that ever NOT happened?

>>52143392
I remember this ugly son of a bitch
new version is way better and is still ugly (in a good way). Congrats on that!

>>52143816
>BattleTech
>not being a nitpicky fuckstick
Pick one and only one.

>>52143729
So how do I install this exactly? Because I really want to use it.

>>52143977
YMMV but I've been lucky in my groups.

>>52143773
CT RAC. Part of the reason it changed is because it looked like it had a torso cockpit.

>>52144043
Glad you like it.

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>>52144157
1. unzip folder into data\images\units\mechs.
2. open LocalClientmechset.txt (located in units directory) in Notepad++ or similar editor.
3. read the commented out section for formatting.
4. prepare to type forever.
add each mech you want to the bottom of localclientmechset.txt in a format like:

#Spriteanon
chassis "Crusader" "mechs/sprite release/Crusader CRD-3L.png"
exact "Crusader CRD-3K" "mechs/sprite release/Crusader CRD-2K-3D-3K-3R.png"
exact "every fucking goddamn variant forever" "ad infinitum"

refer to mechset.txt for more examples, and the final release will probably come with a localclentmechset.txt to just copy and paste into your local.
Have fun!

>>52144278
Hey Muninn, I know you're a local WoB subject matter expert/enthusiast, so do would you be interested helping me design a mech and fluff up a level III I've been thinking of doing? Not right now, but I thought I'd ask ahead of time.

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>>52144394
and I see non-trasparent pixels in Crael, copy and paste fail.
fiexed version attached, and will be in next update later tonight.

>>52144394
Thanks for the step by step, but I'll wait for the final.
Also love the work you're doing, keep it up!

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>>52144488
Way to guilt me into just cranking one out. I'll add one and a read me to tonight's late night update.

>>52144524
Did you ever figure out what the hell was wrong with your sprites, beyond "MegaMek has lost its fucking mind?"

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>>52144553
switching to rgb.png from indexed.gif seems to have fixed the issue. The Devs were zero fucking help but it is linked to their decision to allow colors on base sprites. Whatever, I guess, 2 more steps in my workflow, but i can just batch droplet Photoshop the changes now. Some camos behave unexpectedly too due to them no longer being a true subtractive overlay.
I have some stuff I need to mail out to you dudes shortly here as well. Re-worked your mechfu to be sexier.

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>>52123948

>>52142637
He's completely misinterpreting what the point of the MUL is. The US can easily acquire large amounts of ex-Soviet stuff and field units using it. It doesn't, because it has its own stuff. The MUL is a list of what faction X actually fields, not what it could conceivably acquire. I'd be fine with an oddball here and there; it just doesn't sound like that's what he's doing.

>>52123948
tits or gtfo

>>52146413
Show your boypussy first

>>52146472
no u

>>52146413
This is from what appears to be a feminist. Do you *really* want to see whatever monstrosity is being carried by this she-beast?

>>52146684
Anyone who believes in equality between the sexes is a feminist.

>>52146785
And we've always been at war with Eastasia.

>>52146846
I feel bad you apparently don't have access to a dictionary. Or are you simply one of those MRA virgin neckbeards?

>>52146785
I believe the less politically charged term is egalitarian.

>>52146930

Did you mean, feminist-lite?

>Imagine the prototypical person, a man let's say. He has physical strength. He has a rational mind. He has clear goals for the things he wants in life, and the ability to plan how to get them. He has intelligence enough to separate reasonable (obvious) truths about the world and people from falsehoods and platitudes. Now, I want you to subtract all of those qualities I just mentioned. In fact, make him weak. Make him short. Replace his rational mind with a feelings-based, intuitive decision making process. Strip away his confidence and replace it with an insecurity that you never really know the right answer, the right thing to do, the right way to be. Then, cut off his penis, give him a gash that bleeds once a month, and the ability to get pregnant from sex, which completely immobilizes them and makes them completely dependent on others. Also, assume that you get about a 10 year window when other people will pay attention to you and be nice to you, but otherwise, they treat you like shit and try to use all the time. Contemplate all this, and you are BEGINNING to understand the differences between men and women. Of course, they should not have any role in politics, law, or the military. Their role is at home.

>>52146884
>agendas
You seem pretty saucy anon, let us ride this thread to the bump limit with logical fallacies and personal attacks. I carry no politics, your third wave feminism is attempting a not so subtle form of Newspeak, hence the 1984 reference. That apparently whooshed you.
>>52146930
Ding ding! We have a winner.

>>52146930
Egalitarian != equality. Egalitarian means an equivocal chance. Equality would mean the same outcome.

>>52147021
>Equality would mean the same outcome.
I have difficulty believing this isn't bait. Convince me.

>>52147021
And that's exactly what should be the ideal. Equality of opportunity, not of outcome. To do otherwise might raise the lowest to the level of the mean, but it also forces the highest down. That is not a good exchange.

>>52147021
egalitarian
relating to or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.
>>52147021
Welcome to Life 101. TANJ or TANSTAAFL take your pick.
>>52147038
Bait or childish ignorance, the result is the same.
(You)'s for everyone.

If women are inferior, why are you afraid of them?

>>52147038
...because it's not? It's the exact definition of the words.

>>52147082
Key word there, slugger, is "equal opportunities". That means the same chances. It does NOT mean the same outcomes. Equality would mean one side would get propped up to have the same outcome, regardless of starting conditions.

>>52147110
I can see how you are arriving at this idea, but I don't agree that it should be the ideal.

>>52123948
I'M TAKING THE BAIT!

The only modern examples of nations run by women (EU, with Sweden's self-identified "feminist" government as the prime example) are on a fast track to catastrophic civil war and/or World War 3: Ethnic Cleansing Boogaloo, because all the bleeding heart female leaders saw a few pictures of suffering war orphans and decided the best response was to invite millions of people from actively hostile cultures that outbreed the native population 4:1 (subsidized by the native's tax dollars) to live within their boarders.

>>52146980
>have no real argument
>throw 1984 references hoping one will stick
Pathetic.
Brave New World was better anyway.

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>>52147110
You just contradicted yourself between two different replies? I'm not really getting your point.
Top reply is wrong, it isn't the definition of the word.
Equal chances will never mean same outcomes because the universe is dynamic. Carpe Diem and all that jazz.

>>52147233
I don't think I would want to be friends with you either. You probably think Hemingway was a better writer than Bukowski. 10 posts to go.

>>52147231

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIGic4PvFQ

cant post this enough

>>52147398
try again, m8

>>52126661

NEA is running a stage combat workshop this whole weekend. I wouldn't expect to hear from him until very late Monday night or early Tuesday at best. These workshops usually kill him for a couple of days afterwards. IIRC he was saying that they had attendance of around 100 people plus 30-40 faculty that he's responsible for.

>>52147347
I guess reading comprehension isn't a big thing anymore. I said the same thing between two replies: "equivocal chances" and "same chances".

To give a classic example, since we have a lot of vets in this community:
A theoretical PT test for entrance into the military is 80 push-ups, 40 sit-ups, and 20 pull-ups.
Egalitarianism would mean that everyone would take the exact same test. Their pass/fail would be limited only by their ability to perform the test.
Equality would mean that the test would be modified so that if someone was less physically able they'd still be able to pass -- whether that was a reduction overall, a reduction in one part but increase in another, etc. The end result would be that everyone would result in a pass.

>Equal chances will never mean same outcomes because the universe is dynamic. Carpe Diem and all that jazz.
Thank you Captain Obvious.

>>52147675
You are just arguing lexical semantics at this point.
>Equality would mean that the test would be modified so that if someone was less physically able they'd still be able to pass -- whether that was a reduction overall, a reduction in one part but increase in another, etc. The end result would be that everyone would result in a pass.

Still really incorrect. 50 hypothetical soldiers in the same hypothetical physical fitness level would be equality. Given ideal conditions, they will all pass the hypothetical pt test.
Your modified test so everyone always passes all the time is not equality. It is a rigged fix, a cheat even. Since equality demands fairness, the fixed PT test would no longer be fair to the hypothetical soldier who passed the unrigged test, depriving them of self worth, and a sense of achievement, as well as giving said achievement to those that didn't deserve it. Once again, not fair, so not equal.
Your hypothetical "Equality" is outside of the definition of the word and is frankly, terrifying. I can only see a downward spiral of lowered standards. I want no part of whatever world you live in. I can only imagine hiring an "Equality certified" Electrician to rewire my house.

>>52132657
Legability OK in both browser and Foxit.

>>52147479
Well he's failed to respond to any posts replying to him so I guess he's not around either.

New thread
>>52149842