EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>52091873
>Judge! Have you had a game stopped (or at least paused) by rules weirdness? What's the weirdest rules interaction that's come up at your table?
Split spells gaining cascade or Time Stop

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>>52091873
The weirdest thing I have had to explain lately is copying epic spells.

>>52091873
>Judge! Have you had a game stopped (or at least paused) by rules weirdness? What's the weirdest rules interaction that's come up at your table?

Every now and then, usually caused by someone accidentally tripping over an interaction they hadn't thought of.

>>52091873
I had a game last week where we had a bit of trouble over Eye of the Storm, though the guy who played it had to leave early so the fun got cut short. We were putting a bunch of free spells on it to like Pacts to cut each other off and try to wrestle control of the stack, it was a good time.
shoutout if any of you guys are on here, you know who I am

>>52091932
I'm interested, tell me more please

>Epic spell copied by another player
The second player becomes Epic-locked, that one is easy

>Epic spell copied by the owner
BSOD.jpg

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>>52091932
Please explain to me the results of copying an Epic.

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>>52091873
I want to get in on the superfriends action, but I can't do it without red and blue. Should I go Grixis or RUG? Green has better walker support but black has great wraths and fun walkers like Bolas and Ral Zarek. Bant is probably the best tricolor for walkers but eh.

Also post your favorite walkers.

>>52092059

>Superfriends without Doubling Season

Complete suicide.

>>52092011
So, Epic does two things. It sets up a new rule that you can't cast spells anymore, and it creates a delayed "copy this spell except without Epic" trigger during each of your upkeeps from now on. If you were to cast an Epic spell and copy it before it resolves, that copy ALSO has Epic, so it would ALSO create the delayed trigger.

So if I cast Eternal Dominion, hold priority, and Twincast it, I get two "Search target opponent's library for an artifact/creature/enchantment/land and put it onto the battlefield under your control" triggers every upkeep.

>>52092011
>>52092019
its actually quite simple. If you copy the spell before the spell resolves you can have as many copies of the spell and its epic trigger on the stack.


Epic only prevents you from casting more spells, after the first epic spell resolves, you still have epic spells on the stack, and they can resolve as normal.


During your next upkeep you will get an individual epic trigger for each epic spell that resolved.


It is one of my win conditions with Riku. Cast Eternal dominion, copy with riku, and then copy it with twincast or whatever.

>>52092072
I know I know, but I want to try anyway.
Also I want to try to put one chandra in there, is there one that isn't terrible?

>>52092072
Honestly, I have a Bant Enchantress Superfriends deck and I cut Doubling Season from it.

Mostly because all it did was piss people off and make me feel like I was wrecking games.

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>>52092059
>plays a shit casual deck
>doesn't even build it right
Please neck anon. Favorite walker: either Tomato.

>>52092092
Torch of Defiance isn't bad, Firebrand will let you occasionally Twincast a Wheel or something, Flamecaller wheels.

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>>52092091
>You will get an individual epic trigger for each epic spell that resolved.

I finally know the next meme deck I want to make. And it is beautiful.

>>52092103
Tomato is the biggest reason I can't give up blue. I already have a bant deck so I want to try something else

>>52092123
Great snake Mistake?

>>52092092
>Also I want to try to put one chandra in there, is there one that isn't terrible?
Pyromaster is a nice +0 bitch.

>>52092059
Go 4 color with Yidris, Kydele+Vial Smasher, or maybe Ludevic+Reyhan

>>52092123
That is basically my Riku.

Ramp with Riku, copy those ramps. Gain enough mana to hardcast eternal dominion, copy it as much as I can and then play my opponents decks until I win.


Last game I won taking an extra turn via someones time sieve, and then I stole sanguine blood combo from someone else and filigree angel.

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>>52092147
You read my mind.
>Cast Epic Snek
>Copy Epic Snek
>Reliquary Tower out
>SNEKS ON LOCK

>>52092168
The Great Snake Mistake involves Hive Mind as well, though. It's a race to outsnake the opponent's snakes.

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>>52092181
>Everybody's getting Snaked

Beautiful. I need to make this happen. Brb, buying cards now.

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>>52092181
Race? What race?

>>52092253
>Bant Great Snake Mistake
Who's at the helm? I normally think of it as an UG deck with Kaseto, maybe Temur with Riku for Purph and Twincasts.

>>52092181
>>52092205
Spicy tech: Muraganda Petroglyphs + Aether Flash

>>52092270
What about Phelddagrif?
Grouphug turn into surprise groupslug

Should I trade away my Cabal Coffers that I don't need anymore? My spidey sense tells me that it's getting reprinted in Commander 2017

>>52092205
>great snake race
holy fucking shit what colors just blue green or are we going three color in this bitch.

>>52092379
UGX, I could honestly see good reasons for all options for X

>White
Soul Sisters

>Black
Grave Pact

>Red
Riku/Reverberate/pyrohemia

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>>52092128
>a fellow Tomato loving nigger
There is just no reason to give up green. Just use Kydele and whatever other partner you want.

>Only foreign cars in my cube
>players ask what her ultimate does
>hand them the emblem

>tfw burning urge to build ADVENTURE.dec
>Tazri as general
>chock full of Allies, Traps and the Quest enchantments

It'll be so bad.

>>52092423
>Not altering your Tazri to have an Indiana Jones hat.

>>52092410
white with angus mackenzie or rubinia
>opponents sneks get fogged
>take their sneks

bant would probably be the best since you'd have all the tutor pieces but less red wait... WE HAVE 4 COLOR COMMANDERS O SHIT COPY IT ALL THE TIMES.

>>52092423
The only thing that matters is having fun

>>52092423
It won't be competitive Tazri but Allies are parasitic assholes like Slivers so it should be able to survive in some metas and having tutoring from Tazri and responses with traps sounds like fun.

I've got the general from prerelease pulls, so maybe I'll do just that with her...

>>52092164
List?

>>52092505
Just add cards like Twilight's Call and Living Death, and you will be good to go.

>>52092505
For sure. A pal of mine has a Tazri deck and we hate it because you basically have to wrath the board every few turns or keep throwing removal at him or he'll just continue going "I play a 2-drop. You all lose 8 life, I gain 8 life, I draw 8 cards, I make 8 mana, I do 8 damage, these creatures get +16/+0", etc.

It's not unbeatable, but it's like fighting roaches. You keep them dead or you die.

>>52092467
I know, but the small part of me that's a Spike wants it to at least be good and consistent, and not total jank.

Also my wallet weeps at the idea of a solid 5-color mana base

I'm pretty new to commander, so I'm not sure what things are generally considered dick moves for a "casual" commander setting. Basically, I want to make a Jhoira deck because playing timmy tribal sounds fun and she's my waifu but I'm not entirely sure if just seeing her and knowing that the fatties and board wipes are coming will make people just quit playing.

>>52092776
Depends on how you build her. If it's "ramp into Eldrazi Titans and boardwipes," you'll likely get laser-beam hated, but if it's just mondo fatties like sea monsters and dragons, you'll catch some hate but not as much.

>>52092776
Jhoira gets a lot of heat because of "Suspend fat, Apocalypse, GG?" is a very common, very nasty play for her. IF your playgroup comes in with a bias you'll have to distinct your deck as not being the cutthroat monstrosity she's known to provide via pain and loss. Or you could own it and build to take the instant game of impromptu Archenemy but that's probably less fun.

>>52092776
It depends on the wipes and the fatties. If you're cheating out Rimefeather Owl and Bogardan Hellkite after wiping the board with Blasphemous Act, nobody will hate you off the board unless you're playing with turboscrubs.

If you have Kozilek and Ulamog coming out off the back of an Obliterate, you will get hated off the board.

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>>52092270
>>52092379
>>52092410
>>52092457

Guys, listen. Guys.
5 color snake mistake
>White for enchantment tutors, suture priest, soul sisters
>Blue for Hivemind and card draw
>Black for tutors, sac outlets, zulaport cutthroat and similar
>Red for copy effects
>Green for ramp and sneks.

It will be glorious.

>Shuffle deck like a retard for like 15 minutes because autism
>Try out drawing hands to see if it was well shuffled
>All practice hands seem decent enough, good ammounts of land distribution and shit
>Shuffle sightly
>Commence game
>Shittiest draws in the history, almost no lands, bricks all around

ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR

>>52092423
>>52092505
A man after my own heart. Slivers was my first 5-color baby Tazri was gonna be my next.
>>52092716
You could always be a cheap-ass like me and embrace the Shard/Wedge tri-tap-lands and the Guildgates + Mazes End ... be sure to include an Amulet of Vigor lol
>>52092854
The absolute madman I hope he goes through with it

>>52092874
What is confirmation bias?

>>52092821
>>52092851
>>52092853

Well, I play online because the local scene actually told me that my stock Breya precon was too powerful for the play group and I'd need to tone it down. If she's got such a negative reputation off the bat I guess I'll just look for a second waifu, thanks guys.

One guy in my group always plays counterspell tribal, and another guy likes to run a lot of discard effects. How do I fuck with both of them?

>>52092874
>Good land distribution
>Well shuffled
The point of shuffling your deck is not to evenly distribute your lands, it's to randomize your deck.

"Big clump of lands halfway down the deck" is a possible outcome of a proper randomization.

>>52092957
Karador? "Oh no, I guess that's another creature in my graveyard! Guess I'll just have to cast it again."

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>My Phyrexian themed Tsabo deck almost finished
>Magic night is tomorrow.

Fun times ahead.

>>52092955
If a stock precon is too strong for your group, they are turboscrubs.

>>52092955
>>52092955
>he local scene actually told me that my stock Breya precon was too powerful
Man they straight-up suck. There's no way around it

>>52092776
Blue Braids
Sneak Attack
Show and Tell
Through the Breach
The suspend shit
Typical Blue and Red fatties
Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, Gitaxian Probe, Counterspells, other assorted red/blue staples
Fun, cheap and easy to build.

>>52092955
>stock breya is too powerful
Oh damn son what the fuck are they doing?

>>52092976
Hence why I stopped playing with them and retreated to MTGO

>>52092059
Out of curiosity what do you want red for?

How do you feel about Intet or Maelstrom?

>>52092874
Listen to smart >>52092961. Clumping is a natural, if undesirable outcome.

Specifically, your deck is supposed to be in a random order at the start of the game. The definition of this is that you should not be able to know where in a deck any given card is or how they're distributed. If you can reasonably expect your mana to NOT be clumped, it's just as poorly shuffled as if you can have a true and reasonable expectation of it being clumped. The only difference is that schemes to induce the first scenario, being in your favor, can be called cheating.

"The deck is arranged by type, then in alphabetical order" doesn't look like a random arrangement of cards, but it is exactly as likely as any other precise order. Are you likely to see it? Heck no. If you did shuffle and cut to that, would it be "not random"? Heck no.

In general, you are playing the averages: with a well-built deck and good mulligan strategy you should, more often than not, end up with a playable start. It won't be every time and you certainly aren't mulligan-proof. The Random can always happen to screw you today, but over enough games (and this will be a fairly large number, probably a couple hundred openings to get a meaningful sample) you can start to talk about expectations. Not in any given game.

>>52092994
The singular game I played against some people from the group they were using the red samurai girl for a samurai tribal, some esper commander that tapped to fog a creature, and Depala dwarves with no vehicles just dwarves. The tribals played some random jank commons every other turn and the esper guy literally sat there trying to broker alliances by offering to fog shit.

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>>52092694

I have that Tazri deck and that analogy is so accurate.

> When I get out Blade of Selves

>>52092969
Sounds good, I like graveyard decks anyway

>>52093116
I'm planning on building Food Chain Tazri (which is way outside the normal range of our group) specifically for shutting up pubstomps who get too big for their britches, but I'm waiting until this guy moves because I don't want to muscle in on his Tazri-tory.

>>52093096
>Depala dwarves
Noble but sucky. Even with vehicles it's a struggle to have enough decent cards in a Depala deck without going off-theme.

>>52092123
>>52092091

This is how a guy in my playgroups Uyo deck wins.
absolutely filthy

>>52092072
>Implying orzhov Walkers isn't the best Walkers deck
Look at this pleb

>>52092421
>Kydele
>Not choosing the infinite coiling Oracle partner
Thrasios is the better of the two partners I'm honestly baffled at most people's inability to judge powerlevel

>>52092072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SME9DsqfoBI&list=PLGOb2o7l39HPcKvbtyRbgZs4qBlhHPpll

>>52093096
>some esper commander that tapped to fog a creature
Sounds like Ith but I know he doesn't have black in his color identity

>>52086577
You still need to explain why having fun your particular way is superior than anyone else's.>>52092181
>The Great Snake Mistake
>not The Great Misnake

>>52093288
It rolls out of the tongue a lot funnier if you spell it all out.

>>52093254
Maybe he meant Bant/Angus?

>>52093254
Lady Evangela.

>>52093246
>Imperial Seal
Alright there moneybags

>>52093328
Doubling Season's upwards of $50.

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>>52093319

>>52093241
Of course he's better. But many planeswalkers draw cards and she taps for more mana the more walkers you get. In most other control/combo/midrange lists Thrasios is heads and shoulders above. You don't have to be so condescending anon.

>>52093343
And Imperial Seal is 500 fucking dollars.

>>52093400
2 bucks on modo

>>52093400
200$

You act like you can't just replace it with something slightly worse.

Snake Mistake would definitely run Decree of Pain.

>>52093400
Judge foil is $200

>>52093422
I stand corrected.

>>52093431
Elesh Norn you say?

>>52093431
>>52093424
>200 = 50

>>52093433
Masters / Vintage / Eternal sets were a godsend on modo because of lol infinite print volume

>>52093436
>less than half the price I quoted
>shit, I've been had.
>Time to make it look like they thought one sum of money was equal to another obviously different sum of money.

>>52093436
>50 =/= moneybags

>>52093462
I didn't realize the judge foils were cheaper.

That does not change the fact that "THIS OTHER CARD COSTS 50 DOLLARS" is a poor argument for "Holy shit, this looks expensive because this card costs 200 dollars"

How's Tasigur as a commander? I've got one lying around and am looking for a sultai commander.

>>52093180
I'm interested. Tell me more.

>>52093475
That doesn't change the argument that you can't just swap it with something else. We're taking about one of the most expensive archetypes in commander on a per-card basis. A deck running JTMS, Doubling season, mana crypt and an expensive mana base. If you can afford all that you can most likely afford seal. If you can't afford seal you've already most likely made cheaper slightly worse replacements of expensive cards and your critique of the list is moot.

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>>52093525
Pretty good for getting value out of. Plays nicely with just about all BUG strategies. Hard control recommended.

>>52093643
Sounds awesome, thanks

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>>52093525
Good control commander with an infinite colored mana win condition in the command zone. Better than Memeioplasm. Decent as reanimator and lands matter.

What do you want the deck to do?

>>52093681
Four mana is a lot of mana, consider Training Grounds and/or Illusionist's Bracers.

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Check out my new asshole tech for Gay Kangs

>>52093729
>check out my new asshole
>illegible picture
Come back when you feel like being a productive member of society.

>>52093760
It's Ice Age. Even if that was a 2230x3100 picture it wouldn't convey the effect right.

At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Drought unless you pay {W}{W}.

Spells cost an additional "Sacrifice a Swamp" to cast for each black mana symbol in their mana costs.

Activated abilities cost an additional "Sacrifice a Swamp" to activate for each black mana symbol in their activation costs.

>>52093760
Blame wizards/gatherer for that particular image existing.

>>52093689
UG is my favorite color combo and I'm looking for a value train deck, basically. I've also been looking at Roon.

>>52093802
My friend has a Roon deck and it scares the hell out of me.

So, speaking of The Great Snake Mistake

I've had a couple UG decks in the past and they were always just "DUDE VALUE LMAO" and I got bored of them fast.

Would building Kaseto Snake Tribal with The Great Snake Mistake thrown in for grins be a terrible idea?

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>>52092059
>Esper Walkers
>Not the best

Also, best uses for the life I gain in Oloro?

>>52091932
would this card work in jihoria?

What's some spicy tech for Gonti? Almost finished building him, looking forward to stealing all my opponents combo pieces.

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>>52093629
B/W token deck with lots of wipes, sac outlets and general removal

you use B/W walkers because they are all pretty great with tokens and because your general selection can be pretty good.

>>52093858
Not really. You could still suspend cards, but they'd get stuck in exile.

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>>52093802
Value train you say?
Have you by chance met my good friend Rashmi?

She is just the biggest value train this side of the Mississippi.

If only Prophet of Kruphix wasn't banned...

>>52093872
the effect of the card wouldent be worth it?
what deck does it fit in? a copy spell deck

>>52093877
>>52093802
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-rashmi-control/

Forgot the link

>>52093882
I mean, the whole point of a Jhoira deck (usually) is throwing out huge spells on the cheap via Suspend. Using a card that gets you one card from an opponent per turn at the expense of blanking every spell you draw for the rest of the game doesn't really fit.

>>52093867
I'm liking it.
Got a list, or if not, can you give me a rundown on your token producers and walkers?
I've been looking for a new deck to build.

>>52093844
I tried to make Kaseto snake tribal but I found out that you're pretty much always going to be using its ability on itself instead of another snake because +2 commander damage is roughly twice as valuable as +2 combat damage and it turned into a voltron deck with a couple good snakes to be thematic.

But I am a weak and flawed human being, good luck anon.

>>52093915
I honestly don't know how much I'd be using Kaseto's ability, I just remember WANTING a U/G Snake Legend for a good long while because I liked Kamigawa snakes, but there were a fair few blue ones.

Then again, I've also considered going with Damia and making it Snake/Gorgon/Naga Tribal.

>>52093877

Was Prophet of Kruphix a big deal before she was banned?

>>52093949
yes

>>52093890
Oof, while the idea sounds fun $1400 is a little too much

>>52093949
Yes particularly since EVERYONE had one.

>>52093847
Phyrexian processor ?

>>52093949
Very big. In a creature-heavy deck, it was almost like taking an additional turn during everyone else's turn.

>>52092776
>just seeing her and knowing that the fatties and board wipes are coming will make people just quit playing
>oh look, that faggot has suspended a fatty and a board wipe, what should I do:
>give up
>or
>attack him to death for 4 turns so that the fatties and board wipes don't come out

derp

>>52093949
WOOOOOOOOOOOOAHBOY
You have no idea the shitstorms that raged over
seedborn muse 2.

If this isn't bait

>>52093990
If you are able to be killed by getting attacked 4 times, and your only response during those 4 turns is "durr I take 10", you deserved to lose that game.

So, /edhg/, tell me, who is your waifu?

>>52093939
Yeah, Kaseto's good and even if it's just snake tribal featuring revered ancestor Seshiro, adding blue for Coiling Oracle, Mystic Snake and as many other draw/counter spells as you can pack in sounds pretty good.

Damia's also great, depends how you build it. Remember Exploration/Burgeoning to empty out extra lands and increase your draw power.

>>52093964
Lot of that looks like lands, you can easily cut it way down.

>>52092994
>Ponder, Preordain, Gitaxian Probe
Why though?

Recently gotten a lot of new foils for my Oloro deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oloro-control-26-01-14-1/

Only 9 cards to pimp remaining.

>>52094069
Yeah, it'd definitely not be a normal Damia deck. I figure I can go with snake "Theme" without having to do balls-to-the-wall Tribal (Cavern, Door of Destinies, etc).

I may do that.

>>52093949
Oh good god in heaven it's happening. There are now people who have never played a game with Prophet. It's going to constantly be the same thing it was with Prime Time. "I don't understand why this card is banned."

>>52094069
I'll take another look when I get home from work today, I'm on my phone and checking prices on tappedout is a pain in the ass on phone

>>52094077
Ponder and Preordain I'd imagine are for setting up Rashmi.

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>>52094056
Pic related has my heart forever. Someday we'll be free to express our love without the oppressive rules committee breaking down the door.

>>52093964
>>52094162
I think you can take off nearly 1000$ with the following changes:
It can be trimmed pretty easily and the cards that aren't these are usually commander staples anyways.
Force of will > foil
Pact of negation > disrupting Shoal
Boseiju, ancient tomb, tropical island, every fetch > simic taplands and basics
Grim monolith > worn powerstone
Ancestral Vision > another more expensive draw spell

I just want people to experience the value with me. I know not everyone can build decks the same.

>>52094206
That's in reference to a post about Jhoira. But yes, one mana cantrips are vital in Rashmi to ensure you have a spell to cast every single turn.

>>52094087

Do you use the oversized foil Oloro, or just the regular one?

Which one triggers your autism the least?

>>52093911
>a list,
its my friend's build
hes running about 35 lands
10 rocks
10 draw spells
10 spot removal
10 mass removal
3 or so search library for a card and exile
5 or so disruptive cards like trinisphere and Kismet, bottomless pit.

Armageddon is gross in the deck

then for the walkers he bunches them up a lot I think he runs every version of sorin except the set to 10 one
all the elspeths
almost every ajani as well
he kills his own PWs a lot with the legend rule and doesnt seem to mind doing it.

Obzedat's Aid does a lot of work.
all his creatures are either sac outlets, token producers or anthems.
wins most games through either smokestack, attacking with Hero of Bladehold or blood artist triggers.

its not exactly a competitive deck but its a hell of a lot of fun to play/play against. I'd say its on par with a lot of 75% decks maybe a little stronger.

>>52094299
There's a judge foil, I assume he's using that one.

What's a fresh commander to build?

Trying to break out of tribal/gimmicky decks.

>>52094354
Build a Dakkon Blackblade EDH.

>>52094354
>What's a fresh commander to build?
well its kinda gimmicky but it can be built for under $100 bucks
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/16-08-16-mana-mastery/
its based on this deck from duels of the PWs 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyYrweyCC3k
all basic lands
runs ruination
win con is big multicolored creatures copied multiple times
uses lots of charms

its my favorite deck, not a backbreaking deck but can hang in there with better non competitive decks like MLD zergo and sliver tribal.

>>52094354

Fresh as in new and unexplored? Gonti's preety fun. Panharmonicon their asses, steal shit and make others feel the wrath of their cards.

Fresh as in the freshest memes? There's one gazillion just get off the top rated in edhrec and start looking deeper.

>>52094022
My point is that playing Jhoira isn't just "I suspend big shit, GG nerds", you also have to play a strong control game

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>>52094354
RG mass land destruction. Led by the incestuous duo of Mina and Denn.
Generate a grillion mana, bounce all your lands. Destroy all lands. Play cards that let you play extra lands.

>>52094299
Judge foil, as >>52094319 said.

>>52094480
When your 'big shit' is going to drop on turn 5, you don't need to play much of a control game to stop from losing on turns 3 or 4.

>>52094480
As a Jhoira player, I can tell you right now that this is a lie.

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>>52094506
I approve

>>52094514
>consistently getting 5 mana on turn 1, two of which are colored
???

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How can I lose friends as fast as possible?

>>52094549
by acting like stax is impossible to play against
seriously the
"How can i be le ebin asshole XD XD XD XD" crowd needs to play in traffic

>>52094543
>suddenly elementals
>elementals everywhere

>>52094545
Turn 6, sorry. My point is, if your deck is built to power out Jhoira ASAP, unless you're playing against top tier decks you're not going to die to combat damage between turns 3 and 6.

>>52094549

Infect

>>52094568
>thats ok ill respond with
>tries to tap lands
>there are no lands to tap
>panic begins to set in

>>52094588
I really don't expect that other anon's deck would be "built to power out Jhoira ASAP" considering that he wants to play Timmy tribal in a casual setting.

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>>52094514
>suspend big shit
>big shit comes off of suspend.
>gets countered or exiled
>look at hand, nothing but big shit
>"ok"
>Jhiora costs a billion mana
>look at hand, nothing but big shit
>"ok"

>>52094588
>Jhoira gets countered
>look at hand, nothing but big shit and fast mana
>"ok"

>>52094566
>Buttmad btfo by stax.

>>52094635
stax isnt hard to play against but acting like a teenaged girl with no life experience will lose you friends.

>>52094549
Play cancerous chaos meme deck or a grouphug. Bonus points for playing a kingmaker and helping only the retard with a chaos deck.

>>52094480
In theoryland, Jhoira should be able to suspend on t3 or 4 depending on what kind of mana rocks you got and Apocalypse the turn after, resetting the game to Turn 0 except everybody mulled to 4 with 0-1 land. And you've got a bouncing baby Annihilator Eldrazi on the way to make sure that anybody trying to recover... won't.

In practice, it seldom works out that cleanly, and you have to ramp as fuck or suspend the Obliterate/Decree first, followed by your favorite brand of nastiness. You shouldn't have to stall for the full four turns of clock, though: if you can't stop the table cold before T8, you're doing it wrong.

Jhoira's power is (fittingly or ironically) that playing with her is similar to firing off Karn's Ult: the game is reset to start, except you have the most destructive stuff you were able to squirrel away. And when Ulamog "Annihilator 4 and Exile or GTFO" exists to be that stuff it really doesn't matter if you have to take 4 turns per player to beat the table to death

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Is she worth making?

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>>52094709
yes

>>52094676
>kill Jhoira
>board wipe/MLD resolves
>Vapor Snag/capsize the Eldrazi
This kills the Jhoira player.

>>52094709
Do you enjoy memeing?
Do you consider pudding cups the pinnacle of class?
If so then she's perfect for you.

>>52094725
I completely forgot about that card

>>52094709
Rhys the Redeemed in the 99 and it's party time in Vitu-Ghazi

>>52094549
Norin the Chaos King.dec is the only thing my table has ever banned

>>52094709
>>52094725
This kind of interaction is why I love EDH

>>52094774

List? sounds so evil

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>Player casts Jhoira
>Suspends 2 big bads
>My turn
>Play Eon Hub
>mfw

haha, what about a mill edh huh, its good cause u can live cause 40 health.

>>52094785
Don't have it on hand but this is particularly close
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/norin-causes-chaos/

>>52094774
My playgroup has the weirdest set of priorities when it comes to banned cards

>Every card ever banned by my group were cards I've used
>Not even game breaking cards
>Scroll Rack
>Kira, Glass Spinner
>Damnation
>Draco
>MOTHER FUCKING DRACO!?
>Sword of fire and ice.

>>52094774
I made a norin deck for $30 to prove to my playgroup that having an expensive deck isn't everything.

>>52094838
>Draco
Were you playing Volrath or something??

>>52094852
Yes.

ok, i finally have a real edh deck, where do i go to play it with people?

>>52094096
I can finally sympathize with you guys.
I was there for prophet.
I can now get pissed when people who never played against it argue for it to be unbanned.

>>52094838
>Damnation
my dude
why?

>>52094875
Beautiful.

Why is Draco the problem and not Inquisitor's Flail/Fireshrieker which turns all your fatties into Draco?

>>52094887
LGS

>>52094096
Prime Time didn't deserve the ban though. I'll always maintain that it was Inkmoth Nexus that should've been banned, not my mana ramp bro.

>>52094892
My playgroup is very cheap while I have all these cards from playing for years and they say "It's not fair that you can use it but we can't afford it"
>>52094904
Because they're not the best MTG players around.

>>52094892
It's an obvious case of sour grapes.

They are upset because they don't own a black wrath, so they banned it to stop him from playing his.

>>52094915
whats that?

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Wait isn't this card insanely powerful in commander or am I reading it wrong?

>>52094940
Local Game Store
Where did you buy your deck?

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>>52094940

Step 1 get friends
Step 2 make them buy an edh deck
Step 3 invite them to your place
Step 4 buy some beer and weed
Step 5 play until dawn

>>52094924
>inkmoth

As if primeval titan ever fetched that fucking card.

It was Cabal Coffers + Urborg, or Gaea's Cradle + Deserted Temple

>>52094941
It's fucking insane.

Even better when you go through your entire deck ~20 times, searching for Children of Korlis, when you have Sanguine Bond in play.

>>52094941
Because you have an extremely large library to sift through and it's foiled by any shuffle.

>>52094952
i bought the stock breya thing and made it a lot better with cards i had laying around

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>>52094312
Thanks man, I'm going to try to build my own version. Probably going to use this guy instead of Ayli, because he dodges removal and I like him more.

>>52094973
Where did you buy it ?

>>52094969
>As if primeval titan ever fetched that fucking card.
You kidding me? Inkmoth Nexus + Kessig Wolf Run is the name of the game.
>It was Cabal Coffers + Urborg, or Gaea's Cradle + Deserted Temple
I'll always maintain these aren't problems because I always get them out anyway it's not even that hard

>>52094875
kek

>>52094964
I have three decks and two friends that played kitchen table some times with me. I should probably do that and have a close-friends only group of mine.

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>>52094973
>>52094940
>>52094887

>>52094969

>As if primeval titan ever fetched that fucking card.

This guy wasn't around in innistrad/mirrodin standard lmao

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What's your favorite enchantment?

>>52094988
It wasn't really that Primeval Titan was particularely strong that was the problem.

It was that the format was warped around Primeval Titan interaction.

Once one player played Primeval Titan, the rest of the game was based around reanimating or copying said primeval titan.

My U/R deck ran 6 clones just to copy Primeval Titans. Every single deck in the meta ran Bribery just to get Primeval Titan.

It was primeval titan, primeval titan, primeval titan, over and over again

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>>52095033
I know..
I loved it.
He's my favorite boy.

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>>52094935
>they don't own a black wrath
and who's fault is that?

>>52094981
very solid choice

>>52095066
Toxic is the best wrath in the game though.

>>52095066
Wizards for not reprinting it until now

>>52094924
You think inkmothmox nexus and kessig wolf run is why Prime Time was banned?
C'mon.

>>52095085
>it
>singular
>Black Wraths
>multiple

>>52095088
no, I'm just bullshitting to fake some activity in the thread

>>52094941
>Twice as much life!
>Deck is almost twice as big
>And it's singleton so you can't just find "a copy" of what you want to tutor for

It's good, but it'll never displace, say, Demonic Tutor. Especially since, RTFC, you shuffle everything but the last 5.

>>52095099
>Being this dense

>>52094924
Negro PLEASE

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>>52094549
There are many ways, Anon. Many ways.

>>52095099
Sorry, I thought you were talking about Damnation specifically

>>52095100
I got you, I've played the villain so other people could be the hero.

>>52095079
He himself could be an okay wincon. Are there any good equipment that equips on a creature entering?

>>52095181
>on a creature entering?
hero's blade
I think theres a new one from k-desh
id focus more on evasion tbhfamalam
also that way you can use the Nahiri, the Lithomancer
a couple equipments have life paid in the cost id just check out magiccards.info and do some poking around.

>>52094725
True Spice

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>>52095028
Nothing brings me joy like putting Endless Horizons down with 15 Plains attached to it.
And nothing brings me despair like seeing it blown away in one turn but that's a risk I am willing to take for devilishly smooth mana curves.

>>52095244
Inventor's Goggles cares about creature type, like the Lorwyn equipment.

>>52095351
and the kamigawa equipment.

>>52095364
Yes, I was thinking more about how the Lorwyn equipment auto-equip on certain creature types

>>52095348
great tech in Sram Oreos

Any advice on an Ikra Shidiqi partner? The deck seems fairly simple as far as Ikra is concerned, fat butts, evasion, ways to spend life for sweet effects, but as far as who to partner him with I can't make up my mind.

>>52095348
>endless horizons with most of my plains
>they nuke it
>ignore the land tax
D E V I L I S H

Okay, time to throw together The Great Snake Mistake deck. Thanks for the inspiration guys, definitely going to use Riku for it.

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>>52095407
>Ikra Shidiqi
>Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
Why would you want that?
but also this guy will get you more lifegain and increase the damage on your evasive duder

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What are some cards that works surprisingly well with this guy? I want to make my friends pay for playing degenerate combo decks.

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>>52095414
>Turn 1 cast Dark Ritual and cast Phyrexian arena
>Turn 2 cast Phyrexian reclamation
>On their turn they destroy the Reclamation
>mfw

>>52095407
Off the top of my head Sidar Kondo and then you can get Doran in the 99 and maybe even cut some evasion?

Unless you want blue because counterspells and drawing.

>>52095437
Double strike stuff.
Anything that causes triggered abilities to go off twice.

>>52095447
Phyrexian Reclamation is disgustingly good, definitely the stronger of the two once you are in the lategame, but not that early.

>>52095427
For a billion life? idk sounded fun

>>52095437
processors to load the exiled cards into their graveyards and potentially their libraries again later.

>>52095494
well lifelink stacks so id say Tarl is a good fit.

>>52095518
>lifelink stacks
Anon...

>>52095590
>lifelink stacks with Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
what is with you autists and not being able to understand context?

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>>52095590
He means it stacks with Ikra Shidiqi's effect look at the context before posting

>>52095600
>>52095599

If he was providing context for that, he would have said, "well lifelink stacks with Ikra, so..."

>>52095644
thats not what the word context means.

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>>52094941
You are small time

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*nukes the board*

>>52095796
>forgets the MTGO change
>sends it to the command zone
wew

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>>52095796
*dies*

>>52094709
I like her. She's good for making big tokens instead of just going wide with 1/1s, so it's a bit different than most "token decks"

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What would happen in your playgroup if this was cast with a starting bid of 1?

>>52093847
Slaughter, aetherflux, mana crypt, painlands, shocklands, mana confluence, city of brass, chainer, toxic deluge, hatred, anything that drains life when you gain life.

>>52096040
Scoop to the Uncle Carl player because that fucker can just drop 20 life and still be above 40

>>52096069
>painlands
Why bother in EDH, even with all the lifegain?

Unless you need colorless mana for your eldrazi splash.

>>52096132
>scoop since he just drew 4 cards
Whew lad, I'd like to see your reaction to a Necrologia

>>52096134
Because with enough lifegain support they might as well be OG duals.

>>52096160
>4 cards for essentially free means nothing

>>52096132
>Not play a colossal game of chicken to bleed the fucker for as much life as you can.

It's like you're not even trying.

>>52096040
It'd probably go to about 8, 10 early enough in the game that everyone's at or near full. The Oloro player could push it higher but she's hyper-conservative and paranoid so probably wouldn't bid more than 4.

>>52096239
>four cards means I scoop

>>52096134
>Budget
>Enter untapped
>ABUR Duals 200 bucks
>Eldrazi splash as mentioned
>Shocks are nice but there are only so many of them.
>Seriously they are two bucks, max, and enter untapped.

>>52096134
even the cEDH crowd uses them
if you cant see why an untapped dual land is playable i dont know if theres anything I can do to help you

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so i came into 300$ recently
whats a fun commander deck i could get for 300 or less that is finished?
>excluding cards that are 100$+, I dont need any more cards to upgrade with

i currently own
>finished zada
>finished jhoira

I like decks that revolve heavily around the commander, but thats not necessary.

>>52096399
maybe even 50$+

So I started brewing that shitty Snake deck with Damia, but I barely got anything out of dipping into black; basically no snakes, only a couple Naga, and a few Gorgons that probably aren't worth the inconsistency.

So I have this terrible UG Snake Mistake list now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-o-w-n-u-n-d-e-r/

>>52096399
>300 or less that is finished?
IMO you can do any commander on a $300 budget. It won't be the most competitive form of some commanders but when you get down to it any multicolor commander has over $300 in mana base in their "most competitive form" and even monocolor can get there if they want to go full potato and run all valid fetches.

>>52096462
>Monocolor
>Running fetches
Why? For the shuffle?

>>52096493
less chance to flood
they do it in modern

>>52096501
>Less chance to flood
The amount of deck-thinning provided by a single fetchland in a 60 card format is almost nonexistent. It's even worse in Commander

>>52096399
Since you seem to like off the beaten path commanders, I'd recommend either Darlnu, lich lord or Yisan the wandering bard

>>52096493
>>52096535

I did call doing that going full potato.

>>52094480
That's why I play Jhoira >chaos

>tfw allowed to get a suspended time strech off with paradox haze out
I beat all 7 people I was playing against. That was before the new tuck rule though...

>>52096399
>>52094413

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>>52095066
>not including pic-related

>>52096399
In answer to the real question

>Tryhard
Prossh. Just know you'll never be REAL tryhard at that price, even though you will have a finished deck

>Pubstomp
Ignore the haters, Meren is fun.

>Beer and Pretzels
Sydri goodstuff has never let me down.

>Casual and Loving It
Lazav. Beyond land MAYBE a couple staples, make nothing for yourself -- every permanent is a copy or steal effect, and your spells are copy, steal, bounce, counter, or destroy.

>>52096747
never seen that one before hahah

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>>52096783
Wizards decided to make a black mass calcify and because they can't have black have any fun they made it kill yourself while using it. Useful in Oloro or other pillowfort decks though.

>>52096833
To be fair, it predates Mass Calcify by, I believe, well over a decade.

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>>52094964
Wtf, why would we play Until Dawn?

>>52091873
An opponent of mine learned the hard way that Lethal Vapors + Mindslaver is bugged on MTGO!

>>52096747
X + 3 is awfully specific

>>52096606
K THANKS

>>52092092

6 mana Chandra is one of the best planeswalkers of all

>>52093882

I mean a copy spell deck is the best way to use it probably, but you could also use it in a stax or prison deck of some kind. It wouldn't be great but if your opponents are constrained on mana or cards in some way then you can likely beat them with just a super-bribery every turn

>>52096274

No joke, some people I occasionally play with might do that. They are very quick to hit the scoop button.

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How many artifacts total (including lands/creatures) would yall say is required for Mox Opal to be an inclusion?

Boros Voltron here, currently have 23

>>52096614
>>52096501

No, it is so statistically insignificant that the benefit of 1 additional point of life is mathematically proven to be superior.

People add fetches to their decks (in order of significance) to 1: Fill their graveyard, 2: Shuffle their library, 8305: deck thinning.

>>52096833
back when Hellfire was printed there was only one red creature in the set with power greater than 0. Creatures were way shittier back then but you would generally keep those fuckers around for a lot longer

>>52097313
reasons to run fetches
>combos with Brainstorm
>pumps Goyf
>fixes your mana
>activates threshold/delirium
>you enjoy shuffling cards
>thinning your deck

>>52097313

Fetches are so stupidly overpowered in so many other ways, I have no idea why the deck thinning meme ever crosses the mind of these people

is volrath the only permanent that can recur a creature to your hand?

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>>52097354
>>Goyf
>>thinning
>EDH

>>52097357
They DO provide thinning.

The problem is, in a normal Constructed game you need to crack something like 6 fetches and play at least 8 turns before the thinning is statistically relevant enough to EXIST.

>>52097455
Sorry, there's absolutely no way to return creatures to your hand in magic. Volrath just returns it to the top of your library.

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>>52091932
>Hive mind an Eternal Dominion
>Find a Nevermore
>Name Eternal Dominion
>mfw

>>52097459
those are the reasons to run fetches, the fact that neither goyf or deck thinning matter in EDH means fetches matter that much less

>>52097455
Oversold Cemetery?

>>52097502
>tfw Epic already says "you can't cast spells"
>tfw you realize you aren't casting Eternal Dominion, but copying it each turn
>tfw all those stacks of eternal dominion created by the hive mind are already on the stack, nor did they get cast in the first place
>tfw you realize you dun goofed

>>52091873

Looks like a dildo.

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>>52097484
>>52097576
nvm, this is what i needed

One day... They'll fix that weird as shit graphical glitch in xmage...

>>52097625
haha

>>52097728
Haunted Crossroads is Volrath as an enchantment

>>52097502
Which does not work.

>>52097730
one day... retards will stop using xmage

>>52097512
Wrong. A sac trigger, mana fixing and fishing ABU dual lands is why you run fetches. They're literally the best land for EDH because they enable a ridiculous number of things. Modern babys using goyf to justify fetches are simply children who don't play a format with real threats or removal.

>>52096747
>that fucking John Milton quote
Fucking patrician taste anon. Is it expensive?

>>52094354
Old Sigarda Voltron. Auras and Equipment both work equally well.
She already has hexproof and unable to be sacrificed, all you need is indestructible and you're pretty much good to smash face.
Then start buffing the fuck outta her with +x/+x, double strike, pro from creatures, etc

>>52097985
It'll set you back 20 or less depending on your condition requirements. Moderate play for 15 or less.

>>52097728
Ravos, and palace seige grab cards from your graveyard every turn.

>>52093126
eyyy, which version are you building?

>>52095348
I always put about 7 on it, no more.
I do this because I feel like 7 guarenteed land draws (in addition to the normal draws) is fine, and I don't want ALL my plains gone forever if anyone does destroy it for some reason (usually only by enchantment or cmc board-wipes)

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Building my first ever EDH and I picked bruna. Am I gonna be hated on right from the get go? My aim is a fun experience.

>>52098184
Depends on what enchantments you put in.

>>52098184
Bruna's a very feast-or-famine general in that you either get the combo going and smash faces hard or you don't and sit there floundering all game for any kind of foothold.

>>52098184
Bruna won't get hated on as hard as Zur would be, at least.

>>52098062
Nice, I'm going to buy one, thanks anon! I love classy cards.

>>52098274
I hope none of your friends has a token deck

>>52098295
Eh, there are a couple in my meta, I just want to throw it in my Lim-Dûl deck for shits and giggles.
>popping that bitch while I have all the usual big black mana ramp nonsense out

>>52098210
Best way to go about her then? I am building a control/pillow fort version. Avoiding the infect enchantment. Have some high end enchantments as of now but I need some tutors for consistency.

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>>52096040

I used this card on xmage and one of my opponents paid literally their entire life total because they didn't read the card properly.

>>52098371
Academy Rector, Enlightened Tutor, Idyllic Tutor, Plea for Guidance, Lost Auramancers, Auratouched Mage, Heliod's Pilgrim, Open the Armory, Sovereigns of Lost Alara, Three Dreams, Totem-Guide Hartebeast for tutoring.
Absolute best way to protect her is Flickerform, past that hexproof/protections/indestructible like Indestructibility, Flickering Ward, Holy Mantle, Spectra Ward, Pentarch Ward, Mask of Law and Grace, Spirit Mantle, Ward of Lights, Shielded by Faith
And for comeback potential against boardwipes, Replenish, Retether, Faith's Reward, Twilight Shepherd
For boardwipes of your own, Winds of Rath and Divine Reckoning

>>52098496
also, forgot Pemmin's Aura

>>52098394
Kek, I'm kinda curious about what kind of way they read the card when they paid their whole life total.

>>52098590

They maybe thought that you can bid however much life you had, but for whatever reason you don't lose the life. It's my best guess.

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What's the best way to build dusty? I'm thinking lots of mana artifacts, then a bunch of stax and land destruction?

>>52098496
Flickerform vs vanishing. The vanishing cost is more appealing being 2 less although you are left open longer.

Wipes I am good, have wrath of God, day of judgment, supreme verdict.

Ever feel like you needed mana rocks?

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Sup /EDHG/

>>52098696
The reason I suggest Winds of Rath and Divine Reckoning is because they'll let you keep Bruna while still wrecking most other people's boards.

>>52098787
That's Cool as fuck

>>52098625
>lots of mana artifacts, then a bunch of stax and land destruction?
You've pretty much got it. No mana for anybody. If you can afford it, get to a place where you can run without mana, Null Rod and Cursed Totem. Also, run Eon Hub just to fuck with people

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>>52098496
>>52098371
>>52098184
:^)

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>>52098829
goddammit linked the wrong card

>>52098787

duel decks: muh vs dick

>>52098847
Nifty. Good to know about.

>>52096399
Arjun mill is fun for around $100

>>52098787
>Alt art Jhoira and Lovisa

Awesome.

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I need help deciding what 4 cards to cut to make this 99.

https://deckstats.net/deck-12597710-fb776c0d2889c6dcde2e2fac8a489732.html

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>>52096040
They'd either go whole hog or be all skittish about it. My group gets real weird about life total fuckery.

>Guy completely misunderstands Reverse the Sands
>Takes all life points and gives 1 life point back to each player

>>52098787

Today I was just thinking about building Jhoira

Fuckin nice rewarding impulsive thoughts and shiet with 2 red decks

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>post yfw

>>52099176
>and on this day, anon spent 12 mana to win at the end of his last opponent's turn, and promptly cried as some smug fuck removed them before he could do anything

>>52098787
Duel decks are reprints only, right? Still awesome

>>52099398
They have alt art (duh) and often feature a pre-print or two.

>>52099507
Pre-print as in from an upcoming set?