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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Like Fine Wine Edition

What was the oldest character (proportionally to their race) you've ever played? Have you ever thought about playing an older character, or maybe play with one?

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW (embed)

Avowed Playtest 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing
PS: Avowed is getting big changes soon(ish).

Spheres of Might previews:
Part 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/
Part 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pyLq03W2ju58PcKOUq5YXoFowf_weBNzuWtjCMdINXk/edit
Part 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-LAt9Ti5pcnvHY4KnFRuItCjqtGM-YJC5r_0zXiKKUk/edit

Bloodforge Infusions updated playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit#

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>>52080066
>What was the oldest character (proportionally to their race) you've ever played? Have you ever thought about playing an older character, or maybe play with one?
I played Granny "Grizzle" Griselda who was an 87 year old human woman. She was my witch when I played CotCT.
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So PFG what is better for a familiar you plan to use in combat, figment or mauler?
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>>52080066
One of my characters was Jianshi Li, a 600 year old granny kitsune that I never got to play because the game was cancelled
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>>52080128
Mauler 100%. However the issue is what class you are and are you willing to take the toughness for mauler familiars feat?
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>>52080128
It depends if you're a competent combatant on your own. If yes, mauler. If not, figment.
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>>52080129
>>52080129
>mfw that spoiler
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>>52080066
Middle-aged is as far as I go, my current Human Druid who I started playing at L8 is 41 and I think that's my oldest character for now. I'd just feel weird playing anything older other than maybe a high level Wizard later in the campaign.
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>>52080146
How would toughness help the mauler familiar?
And the class is Magus, wanted to pick up something to help me in melee combat.
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>>52080128
>>52080151
Mauler is a fucking trap option. They are worthless.
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>>52080170
There is a familiar feat which is super toughness but just for the mauler.

>>52080178
Yeah if you build them incorrectly. There are very few familiar shapes that make good Maulers.

As a Eldritch Guardian fighter the Mauler is fine.
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>>52080178
>I have never seen an Eldritch Guardian with a Mauler Familiar
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>all the talk about what skills actually do make me realize I actually have no idea how the fuck to actually do an "animal person" as an Unchained Rogue
>just saw Handle Animal was a background skill and threw it in there

What the fuck can I actually even DO with Handle Animal and no access to Speak with Animals? How do I animal person?
making characters is hard
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>>52080205
Which feat is that, do you have the name off hand?
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>>52080066
Oldest would have to be a a 35-year-old Half-Elf.

Age penalties are pain.
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>>52080207
Combat train some hounds if you're low level.
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>>52080207

Handle Animal is your ability to train or maintain a doggo or kitty or big goofball horse-thing. You don't need Speak to Animals for the same reason you don't need Create Food if you have Craft (Bread.)
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>>52080233
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/familiar-feats/mauler-s-endurance-familiar/
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Review anon here, just taking a little break
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>>52080205
>There is a familiar feat which is super toughness but just for the mauler.
So if I took this feat, and my familiar took toughness for its feat, would it get half my HP+3 per level?
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>>52080284
Technically you're not supposed to trade out your familiar's feat, but yeah.
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>>52080066
Avowed doesn't have any major changes planned. Anyone playing one should not expect to have their build turned upside down, as all we've got on the table at present are adding more items and pacts. Maybe more feats. If we DO plan to revamp stuff, we'll let you know, but the Avowed in its current state is going to stay that way for a while so it can be tested.

So, yeah, PLEASE playtest away without fear (and if possible, removing that line about big changes from the next OP would be really great? We don't want people thinking we're pulling the rug out from under players again.)
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What time is it? Time for my daily shilling of my E8 Noiralog/Eberron with Spelljammer ships game, of course!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title
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>>52080293
So even with the silly pile of hp, how do you keep it from dieing? It seems like the lack of armor for it could be an issue, and putting armor on it will lower its ab/skills.
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>>52080206
I have and that thing was dying pretty much every other week and at best was a distraction for enemies. It was not contributing to combat in any meaningful way.
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>>52080340
By being a Fighter.
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>>52080357
So in other words, I should not do it with a Magus.
So with Magus should I take a familiar? None of the other low level arcana really look good to me.
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>>52080344
Again, if it was built like shit. Properly build an Eldritch Guardian Mauler will do fine, somewhere on par with an Animal Companion.

>>52080331
Sorry bud, your game is while I'm at work.
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>>52080340
Ask your GM if you can give it Prescient Dodger.
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>>52080240
>>52080251
Yea but what if I like, walk up to a stray cat or a wild beast and try to get it to play nice? Hell, if I DO get speak with animals somehow, am I still fucked because >no wild empathy?
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>>52080278
Reviewanon are you going to do CotLT characters (even though the party's mostly been chosen already)?
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>>52080407
Wild Empathy is just a bonus to the skill.
Seriously, it's Diplomacy for animals, plus training them to do tricks.
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>>52080407
You roll Handle Animal. Jesus, does your character fucking die of thirst because a cleric isn't around to cast create water for them instead of going to a fucking river?
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>>52080422
>Wild Empathy is just a bonus to the skill
Except the opposite is true. Wild Empathy is d20+level+cha with no way of increasing it, and it allows you to improve the attitude of hostile animals.
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>>52080453
Yeah I fucked that up. Still, having the skill and not WEmp is fine. Just train animals to do what you want.
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Is there a trait that's like Heirloom Weapon, but for armour?
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>>52080409
>>52080278
Better to do HV characters instead.
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>>52080432
I never bothered with the skill before, so what exactly it does is a fucking mystery to me because it all just seems to be about domestic animals. This retarded game is so riddled with magical bullshit that I just kind of assumed that Handle Animal didn't actually cover everything.
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>TFW Reviewanon rolled your character to do next, but is now taking a break.
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>>52080511
>tfw that means your character was so bad, that it made him want to stop immediately and go do literally ANYTHING else.
Whoa anon. I'm sorry you had to learn this way.
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>>52080489
Armor Expert?
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>>52080543
What if it was so good he needed time to go jerk off?
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>>52080331
You'll have more success once the Dragons 2 hype dies down.
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>>52080560
No. It's not what I'm looking for.
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>>52080331
>tfw this game sounds really fucking cool
>tfw it's going on while I'm at work
I wish I was a NEET
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>>52080582
If you're looking for free proficiency/a free suit of armor, remember that Heirloom Weapon got nerfed into the fucking ground.
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>>52080543
>Whoa anon. I'm sorry you had to learn this way.

I mean, at least I learned it now; before getting my hopes up.
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>>52080589
I was mainly look for the free proficiency. I guess I'll just have to settle.
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>>52080625
You can always just dip a level of fighter.
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>DHB posts HV app
>read it
I don't know about this desu senpai
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>>52080641

Kiss ass to the current players so they hiss at his app to the DM.
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>>52080511

I want him to do mine! DO ME!
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>>52080681
I'll do you anon.

:^)
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Is the SRD going tits up for anyone else?
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>>52080672
I actually really like his app that's why I'm nervous.
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Were you there the time a reviewer went on for 5 minutes about Jolly giving the Spiked Chain reach and adjacent, saying it was destroying the credibility of 3p publishers?

https://youtu.be/TLgifvEK-VM?t=24m32s
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>>52080832
>fatass with thinning hair
Not off to a great start
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>>52080832
You mean giving options that makes a weapon actually useful? Because we can't have EWP be an actual worthwhile fucking feat?
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>>52080832
>spring attack + trip is broken
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>>52080511
>tfw you still haven't been rolled and yet all this feedback on others is super useful for your own application
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>>52080368
Have you taken the one that gives you Int to attack? Because let me tell you from personal experience, 3/4ths BAB like the Magus need all the help they can get in that regard.
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>>52080318
There's changes coming though right? Like individual shape changes and adjustments, that sort of thing?

I can understand if you mean there's no major mechanical revamps of the class as a whole though for a while?
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>>52080888
So show of hands, who else went back and added names to all their ancillary NPCs?
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>>52080641
believe in yourself
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>>52080888
>not saving the filename too
COME ON ANON! The filename is 90% of the joke of that gif!
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>>52080922
I added a name to the captain in Rory's story.
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>>52080672
Honestly I'm one of the players and I don't intend to have any input on who gets picked

I'm just watching. Its fun not having to stress.
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>>52080922
I haven't even been reviewed by Reviewanon yet and I've been trying to flesh out as much as I can.
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>>52080933
Tell us what you think of his app, spill the beans.
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>>52080922
I went back and added some people, but it was actually based on SE's feedback. I'm sure anon will appreciate the names though
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>>52080875
That's not even a feat. It's a vigilante talent from Villains, Chain Lasher. Proficiency, and can attack both reach and adjacent . At 10 you get a +2 to hit and damage with them.
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>>52080933
Same here. I'm explicitly concerned with trying to make my guy a team-player without stepping into others' roles.
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>>52080922
I don't plan to add names, but I do need to dramatically alter my character's backstory.
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>>52080933
>>52080968
>DM drops on you out of nowhere that the players will pick who they want to play with
My DM did that to me once.
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>>52080920
We already did the shape changes. Channel and Rounds got thoroughly reworked, we added the Area tag which adds your charisma to damage rolls, Wrath and Blast have been changed to be more distinct... like, we've already DONE the shape rework. I'm not sure what you're expecting.
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>>52080948
DHBs? I like that he is just a petty piece of shit. Its an interesting variety of evil.
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>>52080922
>ancillary NPCs
Don't have any. If you're trying to enter an established plot where there's already a game with pre-established players, isn't trying to shoehorn in more NPCs going to just make it harder on the DM, rather than easier?
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>>52080920
There's no major mechanical revamps planned, and right now, we're hoping that there will be minimal small changes as well. There's unlike to be anything like the last few changes to Aether Channel, or similar, though.
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>>52080922
I didn't need to, I only have one ancillary NPC and he was named.
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>>52081013
I asked the DM for advice on my character and he stated that I needed to flesh out the people in my backstory more. Needless to say, I'm doing that.
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>>52081004
I have to agree that I really like his brand of evil. His entire thing is destroying and replacing things important to others, but he kept a tea set from when he was a kid. Also his personality section is interesting.

Also his backstory reads really nicely and actually makes sense as to why he is only level 3 at his age. He actively avoided combat of any kind for his entire life and spent decades inactive.
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>>52080918
I was just going to do arcane archer with a firearm, which seems to fix that problem on its own.
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>>52081068
LAZY ELVES.

Man, half of the apps right now are some kind of elf. Fucking bizarre.
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>>52081094
Which ones actually make use of their elven heritage and which ones wouldn't change if you switched races?
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>>52081093
Then take the one that gives you extra damage for a pool point, it stacks with spell damage and you're going to need it as a gunman.
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>>52080066

I think it would be great to play a character with a few kids under her belt.

Sometimes literally
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>>52081004
>At the age of 100 Talathel realized he held the only copy of a series of journals written by a man who considered him a dear friend. They described a harrowing journey through the Land of the Linnorm Kings and detailed out complicated etiquette and customs, information one hardly saw in Chelish lands, so far from the ice and cold. Talathel burned them. Afterwards he laughed until he was nearly ill.
Holy shit, what a piece of shit.
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>>52080066
I played a huge bearded warrior with a ton of stories to tell about battles against bandits.

But that's a bad example, he was barely into his 20s and had just been killing since he was 10 like any good Norseman. Shocked the whole party when they found out his new wife was half again as old as him.
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>>52080988
Aether Circus. It's still pretty much unchanged.

It's still only once a round so if they moved around a few times and only now do some reach it, your other actions were wasted - *AND THEN* they also get to dodge it proper

It's still Reflex-None and low damage, with the extra addition of ALSO REFLEX-HALF on a hit if you buy the fourth purchase, including for the primary target. So whoever you fired it at, should you buy it a fourth time, gets, in exchange for it now doing splash, a reflex save to not get hit and send the missile wasted downrange (possibly back at your party), AND a reflex save for half or no damage(evasion) should they fail their save and take the hit.

Those are two fairly clunky things; and 8 targets is sure to be seen as way too much at level 1~3, while the 1 missile limitation, triple defense dip (you can outmove them easily, dodge and cancel their tracking, or simply reflex-half/evasion them after the former two fail if they do hit) with 'just' 8-targets are both too little by the time you're level 10+. It has no special feats or combos either despite being quite clunky.
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>>52081130
Honestly I was going to go with wand wielder so I can just use wands for combat and use my spell slots for other things.
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>>52081125
One is a placeholder but I think all of them are fine otherwise. Two are half-elves though so they have an easy time.

None of that Aasimar but it doesn't mean anything shit here that always happens.
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>>52081246
There's probably saves other than reflex to be found in one of the shapes I'd imagine though? all-reflex would be really sad if you had to fight anything rogue-like
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>>52081246

We'll look at this. Specifically, the first Avowed set of options, Promises of Power, is unlikely to change. Things in Avowed 2 are a far more active, still growing playtest, and we'll be revising them as needed.

But right now, we're looking to finalize the Avowed 1 playtest and get it released, once we get the issues solved.

We'll look at Aether Circus though. Thanks for your feedback.
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>>52081193
Right he's just such a piece of garbage
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>>52081308
Got several suggestions for fixing it up; if you wanna focus on Avowed 1 though, it can wait. Definitely does need a few changes though eventually!
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>>52080066
I played a 96 year old druid. He died in the first session not of a heart attack as you would expect, but by a tree fucking falling on him.
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>>52081387
>>52081193
>>52081004
Is he edgy?
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>>52080066
A literally 10k+ year old Wraith.
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So since DHB is all but confirmed, that means only one slot is open and there's already five people fighting for it.
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>>52081469
eh, i wouldn't describe him as edgy

Just like.. Take the pettiest asshole in the universe. Thats him.
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>>52081511
Too many DEXfags. Someone with at least 18 Strength needs to get in there, except then if we counted DHB there'd be like, 5 frontliners.
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>>52081525
Rimmer...
Rimmer. To Rhyme with Scum.
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>>52081511
Confirmed in what?
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>>52081469
Not really? He doesn't have any of the classic "edgy" characteristics. Like broodiness, being a lone wolf, etc. He's just the biggest asshole you've ever met.

Thing is his entire character is designed around him actually being nice to be around because it lets him be an even bigger asshole later.
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Sorry guys, I need the posts one more time:

How do I abuse Broken Blade and Primal Fury so they do ridiculous damage early levels?
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>>52081542
DHB is also a 9 level caster.
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>>52080318
Will Cha-to-AC ever be coming back? Hell, I'd gladly pay two clauses for it. Will we ever get the ability to have two instances of Who Help Themselves at once?
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>>52081511
>DHB all but confirmed

Ya'll need to calm down lul

Also even if he was, there's two slots open

Fucking make your app and don't give a shit about anyone else's

There's three slots open, captain slow is dropping
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>>52081613
You don't, if you're not a cunt.
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>>52081653
Someone please strengthfag. I have no interest in playing but I'm disgusted at the massive amount of dexterity here. It just kills me inside.
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>>52081627
>Cha-to-AC starts as add 1/2 instead of Dex
>then becomes add instead of dex

It could work.
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>>52081680
we lost our two STRfags sadly, and Shizuka is pretty maximum dexfag
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>>52081690
Delete this
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>>52081717
Brutal Slayer does it with Strength instead of Charisma.
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>>52081511
You're a fucking idiot if you think he's getting it. He's fucking evil as shit, he's supposed to be a protagonist.
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>>52081613
Just tell your GM you're going to combine the two to do ridiculous damage, so he can ban Path of War from the outset. That'll save everyone time and frustration.
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>>52081680
I'm making a strguy.
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>>52081680
>play initiator with 10 Dex

How fucked am I?
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>>52081308
On the subject of Area Clauses:
Four purchases effectively means 2x Charisma Bonus right?

So, extrapolating, by level 20 if you had +10, that is 20 damage.

An overcharged 4-purchase shape would thus deal an average of 107.5, reflex-half.
Add lingering to this for 1/2 base damage, so, another 35, since that's "start of their turn" at the latest so can still be counted as part of the action against them.

This is *just* enough to kill the median of CR 10s who fail their save (142), or just enough for CR 7s who make their saves. This is without secondary effects obviously, as it is overcharged.

Is this roughly accurate, and is this about where you want the area damage?
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>>52081772
Hell's Vengeance dude, you're supposed to be evil.
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>>52081783

Not for a game, just to prove my point that broken blade is broken. I'm autistic and need to be right
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>>52081808
Are you a Brutal Slayer or Warder? If so, no.
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>>52081760
Yea, and Oracle does it with charisma as well. Doesn't help me if I want to be unarmored though.
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>>52081772
But it's an evil campaign.

Though I don't know how evil the existing PCs are.
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>>52081525
He doesn't really seem petty, he's much more indicative of mental illness. A really weird mix of apathy and sadism. Either way he's entirely amoral and sociopathic.
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>>52081696
If the game fit my schedule, I'd be a Dragon Disciple / Warlord Str Gish.

But life is life, and life.
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>>52081680
Why do you faggots even care?
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>>52081843
You're right. Now go be autistic somewhere else.
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>>52081917
Because muh bara muh beefcake
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>>52081680
>>52081789
>mfw had a strguy
>mfw it was lost in the Mythweavers crash
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>>52081917
Why do you?
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>>52081954
Still can't believe the sheer fucking incompetence involved in that debacle
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what metrics should Hell's Vengance apps be judged on?
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>>52081885
Lets review from what we can see from the existing char sheets


Shizuka - Just like. Super into murder and blood. Maybe a bit too much.

Yori - An actual Lawyer. Nuff said.
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>>52081885

One is a Kuthite inquisitor, one killed her husband and other people because the sword told her to, and the other is a fucking lawyer.

The guy that's leaving was a mass-murdering rapist.
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>>52081680
>>52081954
I'm a strengthguy for dergen2.

Doesn't look like it starting out, with 15 strength. But, you know, Huge size gives a +8 strength modifier.
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>>52081987
How they would look in silly hats and what silly hats they would prefer.
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>>52082008

2smug4me
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>>52082008
Power to you, fellow Dragon2 strengthfag.
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>>52081987
When I do my reviews later on i have five metrics i'm planning, basing them off of review-anons dragon2 metrics

Appeal
Backstory
Compatibility
Evilitude
Shlocky-ness? I'm trying to judge how much of exploitation/pulp ect they are
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>>52082008
I wonder what reviews the current dragon 1 party would have received. DragonGM are there things you'd like to say or see more or less of out of your first party? Things you hope to fix with the second?

The second child's always the better one anyways.
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What are some of the more optimal Barbarian builds?
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>>52082035
That's going to be a weird spread since you'll have to run them up against existing PCs, the other reviewers having just done them straight.
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>>52082063
2h, power attack, rage.
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>>52082063
Lesser Beast Totem, Beast Totem, Greater Beast Totem.
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>>52082016
get smugged to death

>>52082021
ye

>>52082053
I dont think I got reviewed, did I?
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>>52082081
I'll probably do a quick summary of the existing PCs on those metrics too. If I have their sheets and bios it should be easy enough
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>>52082101
I'm partly asking if the first party *did* get reviewed, or if they had not what they may have gotten.

As I understand it though, most of them rate pretty high on "is it a dragon" at least!
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>>52082063
Half-Orc, Sacred Tattoo, Fate's Favored, Orc FCB, Superstitious/Witch Hunter
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>>52082084
Yes, but beyond that.
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>>52082053
All their breasts are far too small.
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>>52082063

Invulnerable Rager with the Beast Totem line and some tasty Superstition. Pounce into battle and delete enemies on your first turn while shrugging off the enemy's feeble weapons and laughing at their shitty magic. A half-orc with Sacred Tattoo and Fate's Favored is a nice way to go.
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>>52082144
FLAT IS JUSTICE
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>>52081680
>20 Dex & Int Ratfolk incoming

I'm so sorry Anon.
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>>52082144
>>52082172
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>Realize my character is a sailor
>realize he's pretty handsome and buff
>Realize he probably spent a lot of time in taverns
>REalize he likely got propositioned
>Realize he likely accepted those propositions.

I guess Rory is a daddy?
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>>52082191
Bachelor Snuff or shapeshifting makes him shoot blanks.
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>>52082177

It's okay, anon. Not like anyone expected a ratfolk to be strong. Especially not when they're a MASSIVE NERD.
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>>52082191
>realize that you are literally the only one that cares
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>>52082191
But have you realized you're a faggot?
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>>52082191
>sailors hang out in bars at night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym40Gno6S7U
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>>52081956
Because watching people root for ability scores like they're sports teams is fucking confusing.
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>>52082240
This is true.

Though what if he isn't shapeshifted?

>>52082247
The idea came up when I was rereading his backstory and fleshing out his character.

>>52082254
Many times, anon. I play World of Tanks. Of course I'm a faggot :^)

>>52082258
Amazing.
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>>52082035

Jeez friend, really? I'm just basing mine off the artwork and how much the writing makes me feel good.
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>>52082276
Shapeshifting should wreak havoc on his sperm count, and it would take a while for them to build back up again.
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>>52079846
KNIGHT-SERGEANT IRVING SILAF

>be silver dragon adopted by eagle knights after poachers almost got away with your egg
>grow up mostly by yourself, bookish
>be a good person, mostly, but human parents obviously have trouble raising a dragon
>be able to shapeshift to human form in your teens
>be bullied a lot for reasons
>only fight back when they attack your crush by turning into a FUCKING DRAGON
>have to move
>finish schooling kind of useless, join the army because why not?
>become a combat medic, assigned to tracking down slaves and helping captured slaves
>find the demesne during a mission
>decide to stay, since it represents the thing you always wanted growing up

Irving is at a glance, a pretty nice guy. Classic nice. Jesus nice. Dude turns the other cheek while kids bully him for a long while, and only gets all fire and brimstone after they assault his waifu. He's a likeable sort, and probably easy to fit into a party.

Now for the bad.

Some parts of his backstory just don't make a lot of sense. His parents are Eagle Knights, and the discovery of a dragon egg would have been kind of a deal in Andoran. Why isn't he getting more state support? You think the country that invented freedom would be all about raising a silver dragon to be their own top-tier supersoldier.

But that's a minor gripe. I have questions, like why his parents moved (like moving to another town is particularly easy in a setting like Golarion) after his powers were exposed, instead of them just putting it all under wraps... but that's just personal taste. It can still make sense in a certain context.

His personality is kind of boring and placid, but that's a flaw of low-affect personalities more than a mark against him. I like that his player actually took some time to describe his moral compass and describe the things he cares about and believes in, which has been a little bit lacking so far. His arrival and residence in the Demesne is one of the best for non-natives, too.
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>>52082276
Just because you thought of it does not mean the rest of the class wants to know. Fuck off with your shitty memedog.
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>>52082308
's not like he's shapeshifting ALL the time. Usually he sticks with one form for a while. Just because he's good at it doesn't mean he's gonna be showing it off.

>>52082326
That's the spirit!
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>>52082320

Which non-native has the best arrival and residence?
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>>52082326
Yeah well I wanna know, so why don't you fuck off back to /b/ where you belong.
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>>52082326
t. Alex Grandi
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>>52082285
they're solid metrics
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Rolled 11 (1d11)

>>52082320
All in all, he's a competent application. I like that his parents are fucking named, at least, so that's a plus. The backstory section lays out a story that could feasibly result in a super-gentle draconic healslut man taking up in the Demesne as a doctor, and doesn't have anything glaring.

I thought the prose in the beginning of the personality section was a bit weak, and I'm not entirely convinced by his backstory but I don't dislike it.

>Appeal 4/5, he's a charming doctor man who just happens to be a dragon raised by humans from fantasy America with knights.
>Backstory 3/5, nothing special but effective. Points for actually naming some characters and having some flashpoints that play out in his personality.
>Compatibility 4/5, martial healslut, another exceedingly nice guy. It'd be hard to find a conventional party he doesn't fit into.
>Dragonality 5/5, a dragon and a regular canonical dragon, which is nice. Not only that, but he's a humaboo as most silver dragons are and demonstrates some of the downsides of being so fucking nice.

Not for my next review subject!
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Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>52082432
I just realized I should have been rolling 1d10. Derp.
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>>52082373
who
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>>52082112
Why not start?
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How long does it usually take, in # of sessions, to level up in a Fast EXP track campaign?
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>>52082035

My plan for HV was:
>Appeal
>Backstory
>Compatibility
>Devilishness, or how sophisticated their evil is.

For RotRK, I was going to do:
>Appeal
>Backstory
>Compatibility
>Deusvultitude, for how righteous and conquest-ready they are.

Remind me what the deal with CotL is?
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>>52082483

Hey, 11 would mean a maximum roll, so Aurelian!
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>>52082514
waiting on more apps to come in.

Might start later tonight when i get free though, fair amount have been posted
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>>52082545
Curse of the Lazy Throne, a Curse of the Crimson Throne bamboozle.
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>>52082432
ReviewAnon, you're ratings are steadily climbing

Do you realize this?
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>>52082545
The campaign traits for CotCT all involved their involvement with a notorious crimelord who just carked it. I'd think it'd be:

>Appeal
>Backstory
>Compatibility
>Revengitude - How strong is their thirst for revenge
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>>52082600
i noticed that
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>>52082615
A shame the AP itself throws the traits out immediately.
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>>52082599
it's not a bamboozle yet!
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>>52082545
the only reason i'm separating out Evilitude and Schlockyness is that the DM for HV is specifically asking for shlocky pulpy exploitationish characters
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>>52082545
You should also review the already extant characters.
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>>52082633
And there could be such an easy fix for that--Lamm was working for someone else/not the real brains of the operation, connect back to Queen Ileosa/Kazavon
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Man, I just wish Taldor Ascendant hadn't been fake. I was sorta hype for that one, especially since there were so few applicants.
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>>52082661
I was gonna apply with the pegasus knight idea I had when the GM stopped being dead.

;___;
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>>52082600
A little bit, but that's mostly the order the rolls are having me review people.

Some of the first apps I reviewed were good too (like Aisha), but then I got to Vorelira and it all went downhill for a while.
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>>52082812
>like Aisha
You seem to have prompted a full rewrite of her app
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>>52082667

And now it's gone, I almost feel glad I didn't spend all that time writing my Slayer protected by a Guardian Spirit.
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>>52082812

hell even Vorelira did a rewrite of her app... if it was a paragraph stating why she's doing anything rather than lounging around eating people.
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>>52082867
Honestly, I don't feel the time was wasted. Figuring out how Sphere Arcanist works was definitely worth it.
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>>52082812
You seemed to like Rinka, I think she got your first 5
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>>52082812
Errakus here, never got around to thanking you for the review. It made me think a bit more about what he wants out of life and how to use his social skills. My plan is to have him help others get the happiness that he can't and be a tiny pixie Cyrano sitting on their shoulder feeding them lines.

Incidentally, the story I wrote would totally justify Reactionary, but I despise that trait for being so necessary. Dunno if the final build will have it or not, but I'll worry about that if Eagle is an even bigger madman than we thought and picks me.
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Got two requests. One, that Throne Guard fighter archetype from Heroes of the High Court.

Two, the page on how Erastil views other deities. They'd be much appreciated if anyone has them.
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>>52082971
I gotcha, senpai.
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>>52082812
Liozis here, and grateful for your wonderful review even if it may have been viewed generously by comparison. Thinking about how to revise her backstory slightly and maybe condense it; most of the current length is stylization.
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>>52082971
Only because I already had the particular PDF open to look up someone else.
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>>52082841
>Aisha will still get a low compatibility score because synthesist
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>>52082945

The biggest mad man
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RotJR has officially gone too far with shipping.
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>>52083057
don't worry, it's all ironic
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>>52082945
If I get in with you, I'll help you spread joy and alcohol.
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>>52083057
This isn't going too far. This is going so far you come right back around to go too far again.
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>>52083057
>CorwinXSeht
>Poor Little Shoanti Boy
100%
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>>52082945
I'm glad you found the advice useful.

While I'm trying to get in myself I want everyone who gets in to be applying and playing with the best versions of their characters, and I like giving people writing pointers in general. So good luck, and no regrets no matter what happens.

We all did our best.

>>52083008
Even if you'd applied with Vorelira's art, I probably would have reviewed you favorably.

The disney princess personality and the fact your character has things she's passionate about (rather than being generically passionate about things) was a major plus, and built out to one of my favorite apps so far.
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>>52083057
This would be a whole lot more shocking if I knew what the fuck it meant.
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>>52083057
>Tail Chasing
>One for Mori
>Blindfire
>Whorse
>oNTRyou
>You're a Big Guy

Bloody hell, yer killin me here.
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>>52082432
Any plans to take requests again? I thought I could wait but as it turns out, no, I'm an impatient mess
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>>52083120
I gave Rory's story another once over, and am pretty satisfied with it thanks to your advice. You're a wonderful person!
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>>52083120
>writing pointers
Then I'm definitely going to ask you to take another look at Aisha when you feel like it, because it's now actually written half-way as prose rather than one step above bullet points
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>>52083135
SOMEONE GET THE SUMMARIES OUT
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>>52083057
Who the fuck is Mochi?
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Me and another anon are working on a homebrew to allow for partial gestalt by way of using a pointbuy system, and we're looking for feedback, suggestions, and seeing how broken it can be before we need to adjust it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndnICzDFIrd6pJtidVIjLf4s79wDHuyjYDhxsfQNIz0/edit?usp=sharing

Drop suggestions, comments, point out how broken it is, etc in there or in the thread and i'll get to responding to as much of it as I can.
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I've been invited to a 2 player game by a good friend, where the other player, another good friend, is playing an optimized witch. Paizo only, 25 PB, and I've been asked to bring a martial type character, possibly with a divine bent.

Any ideas offhand?
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>>52083057
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>>52083186
Really any divine caster will do, or a blood rager.
If you want to get really crazy do a blood rager with a skinwalker.
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>>52083135
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PQWsyvHwa5mjUGqzSSkq-k2W4QHQ4J44O380sVpqKzM/
FotJR primer

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QZwKmH81uQvZRFH8CENO4ZWt-OK2MmdlUGFF6T8155Q/pub
SotJR primer (Still under construction)

>>52083158
Mochi is Tia's familiar. It's a floating slime rabbit.
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>>52083224
Need access for FoJR!
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>>52083224
Whoops.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PQWsyvHwa5mjUGqzSSkq-k2W4QHQ4J44O380sVpqKzM/pub

Actual FotJR primer link.
That /pub at the end is important.
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>>52083158
The twins' familiar.
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>mfw game was cancelled due to IRL shenanigans
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>>52083186
Paladin or Inquisitor?
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>>52083186
Paladin. You'll want some good saving throws for a 1pp game with just 2 people. One of you getting fucked over in combat by a spell is going to turn things bad real fast.
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>>52083276
Paladin, unless you've Paladin'd before, unless unless your previous Paladining was stale, generic, and/or cut short by a swift and unjust end to a campaign. Also personally, I'd go Warpriest over Inquisitor for the novelty and the better spell list, but to each their own.
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I found a pretty useful tool for comparing the height of party members!

http://www.mrinitialman.com/OddsEnds/Sizes/compsizes.xhtml

Pic related is a comparison of, in order: Aurora, Rory, Marianna, Calsicahedrix, Ulfric, and Aisha!
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>>52083395
>Calsicahedrix this small

Not a shortstack, alright.
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>>52083395
It's like a literal cocksleeve
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>>52083462
It was the first height listed in her character sheet. I can provide an alt version with the second height but I'm like 19.5% certain that's her dragon mode.
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>>52083395
Quinn, Aster/Tia, Saboten, Sweettooth, Etan, Rubio
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>>52083462
>>52083480

Here's the second version with Calsica's second height listed (177cm instead of 120cm)
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>>52083395
>>52083462
>Calsicahedrix

Right, so, the listed height/weight on the sheet is for dragon form, then the human form is in parentheses next to it. I had no idea what I was doing for height and weight values for a dragon. I just know that Small creatures (True Dragon isn't Medium until 6th level) are supposed to be something like 4 feet, so I imagined she's about that tall when sitting on her haunches in dragon form and rolled with it.
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>>52083395
when u got a 2'11 halfling
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>>52083395
Seht, Casimir, Corwin, Valeriya, Onryou, Aranha
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>>52083395
Somebody do the other dragon party.
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Is it alright to post r20 games in this thread...? I'm planning a living world thing with a focus on RP. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, though...
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>>52083580
>living world
HOW ABOUT YOU FUCK OFF AND DIE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>52083543
Thanks for the clarification, famalam. I guess the second version is more appropriate then. Rory is the tallest in this comparison, followed by Ulfric, Calsica, Aisha, Marianna, then Aurora.
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>>52083580
Go for it. We literally don't care.
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>>52083580
>Living world

I wouldn't, if I were you, but it's not against the rules or anything.
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>>52083580
It is and it's encouraged, but living worlds are unpopular here. You might find some quiet biters though.
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>>52083580
Living worlds tend to be frowned on here anon.
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>>52083580
Oh honey. This thread is ALLLLLLLL about roll20 games. Post your shit.

Granted, people are a little distracted as the application window for one of our games slowly closes, so interest may be slightly slower in uptick. But don't be discouraged.
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>>52083588
>>52083599
I'm getting mixed messages.
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>>52083579
I was planning on doing such a thing but Astarte lacks a height. I could always guesstimate, but it's kinda hard when she's capable of getting bigger.
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>>52083184
I am also here to respond to feedback for this gestalt-like system. We hoped to allow players to round out their weaknesses and poach class abilities without falling into the gestalt meme.
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>>52083594
You should do a version including the Enkidu form
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>>52083613
I'm just shitposting at you for funsies. Post it. Living world isn't popular around here, but a lot more people read threads than post in them. You'll get nibbles.
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>>52083622
Enkidu form is 6'9", which would be... two inches taller than Rory.
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>tfw excited for things so off in the future that the campaign might not survive long enough for you to see them

It's the worst.
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>>52083395
>>52083543
>5'8"
>165lbs

THICC
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>>52083395
Do the new Hell's Vengance apps against the existing party!
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>>52083668
Okay! Sure, got links and names for whom be whomst?
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>>52083615
Both Astarte and Celisse have no listed heights on their character sheets.

Here is what it looks like with those who do have listed heights: In order:
Freyda (dragon body length), Lameeka, Atolm (dragon body length), Zev(Dragon body length), Zev(Humanoid form)

Tail lengths are not included in the height.
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>>52083685
Freyda doesnt have dragon body length. She's just 8ft tall.
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>>52083617
>>52083184
The major benefits seem much better choices overall than minor ones, even considering the cost. People are after the big things in gestalt.

That said, this looks like what I've been after. I'll use it!
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>>52083685
Hmm...
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>>52083685
Dammit, you caught me just as I remembered that I forgot to transfer the Princess' statistics.
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>>52083184
Oh hey is this what I think it is? OH FUCKING SHIT IT IIIIIIIS. ALRIGHT, TIME TO STRAP MYSELF IN.

>Magus Arcane Pool and Warmage on the same level as an Animal Companion
>Uncanny Dodge and Evasion somehow costs MORE than Sneak Attack Progression???
>Monk abilities being that overvalued
>25 PB could barely afford to even replicate half of what fighter could offer for someone using a 3/4th BaB, 8HD class

The points values are pretty fucked for most shit, but it's... At least an interesting idea. I like it, but it needs so much work it's not even funny.
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>>52083673
Never mind I just checked, both the existing members have no listed heights.
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>>52083666
It's an unevenly distributed weight if you know what I mean
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>>52083719
Yeah. My original idea was to let everyone pick one minor and one major, but currently they're segregated so that you as a GM can allow only Minor benefits if you want.

Same goes for the underlined text. They're there to be removed if you think they're too strong.
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>>52083747
Guess we'll do the new apps then!

In order, for the ones with a listed height: Lyra, Lucius, Fleur, and DHB's dude.
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>>52083657
>tfw make a character you really like and want them to complete their goals, but they die really early into the campaign
>tfw make a half-assed character next because they'll probably die soon as well
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For a paladin, angel-blooded aasimar, or human?
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>>52083787
>doesn't even list DHB's character's name
Is this bullying?
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>>52083817
It was demibaron something or other, I just skimmed over the name slot and looked for height.
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>>52083804
What sort of paladin are you making? Simple smash-a-din, angel blooded. Archerdin, human for FEAT.
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>>52083787
T K here. Just added the sheet for Saelonu in, it has his height listed!
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>>52083822
>>52083787
>DHB made his character royalty
what the fuck
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>>52083829
dagnabbit, what's his height? I'll add it to the size chart.
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>>52083850
6'1"

I like my elves tall and lanky.
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>>52083719
Major Benefits are the spice and flavor to capping off what a character can do/how they're flavored. It's even pointed out that the DM has the final say to saying yes or no to letting anyone use them, hence why they're priced a bit more then the normal minor benefits.

>>52083741
Eh, it's still a WIP. Prices and what each benefit gives isnt really final, and we're still not sure at how horrifically mangled and broken this is going to make an already horrifically mangled and broken system.
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>>52083845
On one hand, it is Cheliax, where half the class level population is nobility and the other half is clergy.

On the other hand, 1%> elf population. Might be okay.
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>>52083863
In order: Lyra, Lucius, Talathel, Fleur, and Saleuon.
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>>52083741
>Evasion being 3 points on its own

I didn't really look at some of these, clearly. Evasion and Uncanny Dodge should probably be grouped up for 3 points.

Sneak attack is probably undervalued, yes. It's usually bad on a Rogue, but when poached by someone like an unchained monk, it can get pretty stupid.
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>>52083845
>one of the already existing characters is nobility
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>>52083918
If we're talking about things you're undercharging for, you'll want to bump up the cost on Spell Combat and probably Spellstrike too.
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>>52083184
>>52083741
>>52083869
>>52083918
And since I might as well keep nitpicking

>Fighter Bonus feats somehow equal to Vigilante talents LaughingVigilantes.gif
>HD and BaB Progression the same price/not tied together?
>Skill point boost and class skills laughable overpriced/not combined
>spend 4 points for bard/magus spells or medium spherecaster, yet you can spend 3 to get medium progression (5 for full)
>alchemy equal to bardcasting, though you at least have the decency to bundle Infusion so props
>High Jump and Slow Fall being on there instead of just generic Ki Powers, no Style Strikes in sight

I like what you're going for, but it's... Your point costs are all over the place.

>>52083970
Honestly, I kinda like them where they are but they probably should be bundled together and set to cost 3 points instead. It'll only really be good if you've set up something capable of fighting in melee, but if it's good it'll be /REALLY/ fucking good.
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>>52083917
That's a good height on Fleur, especially right beside Talathel.
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>>52083918
>>52083869
The biggest problem is overvaluing/undervaluing things. Most of the rest is pretty solid.
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>>52083845
He took the campaign trait to be nobility and took the literally lowest title that Cheliax hands out.
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>>52082320
First off, thanks for the comments, I appreciate it.

>Some parts of his backstory just don't make a lot of sense. His parents are Eagle Knights, and the discovery of a dragon egg would have been kind of a deal in Andoran. Why isn't he getting more state support? You think the country that invented freedom would be all about raising a silver dragon to be their own top-tier supersoldier.

I had briefly considered doing that, but ultimately chose not to for two reasons.

1. Super-soldier that doesn't want to be one seems like a well-worn plot, and I didn't think I could add anything else to it.

2. Irving gained his outlook on life from his parents. Having them be genuinely good people was an important aspect of his backstory. If they were government scientists just getting paid, I feel like it would be unusual for Irving to be as well-adjusted as he is.

>But that's a minor gripe. I have questions, like why his parents moved (like moving to another town is particularly easy in a setting like Golarion) after his powers were exposed.

I agree, moving in a setting like Golarion is very difficult. Seeing his parents abandon their home, friends, and job all for his sake was meant to be painful. It's yet another deep-seated reason for Irving to despise violence.
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>>52084009
How relevant are the campaign traits in Hell's Vengeance anyways?
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>>52083685

Astarte is six feet tall even.
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>>52083988
Oh and locking it to only "Barbarian Rage, or Bloodrager Bloodrage"? The fuck? The free VMC thing is cool too, but it's janky as fuck considering how the good ones are REALLY FUCKING GOOD (situationally at least, wizard and barbarian for example) and the shit ones are REALLY FUCKING SHIT (all the fucking time, like alchemist RAW Witch/Oracle, and Gunslinger).
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>>52084061
That would make her exactly one inch higher than the green one (humanoid zev) at 5'11.

Freyda at 8'1 is still by far the biggest, and Atolm is roughly adult-toy sized for her. I suggest you have them get together.
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>>52084005
Yes indeed. The numbers need a lot of work, but I feel we've otherwise done a good job so far writing poach-able abilities.

I do appreciate the feedback from everyone.

>>52083988
>HD and BAB not the same
I wanted to make the glass cannon character a little more viable. Why should an archer have to be bulky to be more accurate?
>Why are BAB and HD priced the same?
I'm not sure which would be considered more valuable, desu.
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>>52083988
My feeling is that if Spellstrike and Spell Combat were bundled together for just 3 points, that means it only costs 3 points to buy up pretty much all of a Magus' class identity. Any partial caster would probably die to grab action economy for a price like that, and even a wizard at 15 PB could afford to grab both features and kick his BAB up one step.

Then again, you're probably going to run into similar problems for other classes, and I haven't the faintest idea how you should go about balancing and pricing everything. This is just my gut feeling as a person who really likes the Magus class.
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>>52084110
At the same time, the Magus could afford to buy a higher HD and BAB, while probably having enough points leftover to get fighter bonus feat progression and access, thereby letting them be a better Fighter in every single way.
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>>52084071
How about no, that's creepy.
No offense, Freyda.
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>>52084108
The want to increase options is admirable but there's an 100% chance that keeping HD and BAB separate will result in people ditching one to abuse the other. Might be advisable to keep them together so that you can wrap them up in one price.
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>>52084132
True enough, what a Magus would be buying up is something I hadn't considered. Just make sure that you make clear and keep consistent in the logic you use for pricing abilities. From my own experience with similar (though markedly less ambitious) projects, it helps.
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Hey /pfg/, I'm new to pathfinder and need some opinions. I'm playing druid (just hit level 2) and my GM is trying to restrict the spell "detect magic" because they think it's OP. For example if I try to cast it in a dungeon I sometimes "get a headache" and can't cast it. Scenarios like this have happened to a couple of my other spells as well. Is the GM usually inclined to do this?
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>>52084062
>Oh and locking it to only "Barbarian Rage, or Bloodrager Bloodrage"? The fuck?
I don't...know what you mean by this.

>VMC might be a mistake
I kind of agree. It feels weird to not include Paizo's pseudo gestalt rules, but then again it's Paizo.

>>52084132
>I'd be OK with the abuse, though I'm not sure how swell it would be if it turns out more HP is more popular. Toughness isn't really a strong feat, and that's what you're taking every time you up your HD, at least by my HP rules.
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>>52084222
Well, you can take a physical copy of the book to prove it to him by HITTING HIM WITH THE CORNER OF THE FUCKING THING UNTIL HE STOPS BEING A CHEATING HANDWAVING PIECE OF SHIT.
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>>52083747
Yeah, thats understandable for victims of the great crash
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>>52084153
>>52084232
Fucked that up something fierce. Excuse me. Meant to quote you.
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Is there a reason I shouldn't just give every body(players and monsters) max HP?
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>>52084222
Well, first, Detect Magic /is/ a very strong spell.
Pathfinder is the only edition where you can cast it as much as you want for free.
3.5 didn't let you, and 5e didn't let you.
Being able to always know where magic is, is a very empowering ability.

HOWEVER. This is a system assumption in pathfinder, and it's a real bullshit move for the GM to say you can't use your class features as the rules say, purely depending on their mood.

Show them the spell Magic Aura if they want a more reasonable way to counter you, or ask them to lay out hard guidelines on when you can use detect magic.
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>>52084252
No, not as far as I've seen.
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>>52084222
It is OP, and so are druids, but your GM is still being a faggot
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>>52084256
>>52084236
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated!
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>>52084222
Your gm is being a shit and not reading the spell properly.
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>>52083747
oh wow i really need to re-finish Shizuka after the disaster.

I can do it, most of it is remembered.
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>>52084252
Giving monsters more HP is a good idea in general. You can couple that with either lowered monster AC or granting more HP to players for some quality of life improvements.

Might backfire if your players can't do damage or disable enemies for shit, though.
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>>52084232
Not having NORMAL BARBARIAN RAGE is really fucking bizarre to me. To keep throwing shit at the wall

>Nimble being remotely worth that price without adding any Stat-to-esque boost
>Not being able to change the main mental stat for things, even if it's just a single alternative (Int Panache, Cha Inspiration/Ki, etc)?
>bumping up Vigilante Talent's cost with Initiating sitting right there
>Still feel like Evasion/Uncanny Dodge/IUD is overpriced to shit, but oh well
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>>52081404
We're always open to feedback.
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>>52084289
Sounds less like he's misread it and more that either this player's consistently running into overwhelming auras (unlikely) or that he's just saying 'no you can't' (much more likely because apparently some of his other spells are randomly failing too).
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>>52083747
For reference, Shizuka is 5 feet tall

Tian lol
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>>52084368
I asked originally, and it's basically the latter. For example another spell that gets shafted is mend, because once our party found a broken key and I was able to mend it (and we got sweet loot from that key by level one standards, I feel), and from that point on lots of things that mend is applicable to don't have all the pieces to it (required by mend). Also last session he said he had to learn a work around to me being able to mend arrows for our rouge (which is something we as a party learned last session and thought it was awesome).
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>>52084358
Could the Artificer's Insight clause also apply to Spellcraft checks for magic item crafting?
With INT not being a priority it feels tricky for an Avowed to take that role if they're not a tinker.

Though I think it would need an extra boost since you can already always take 10 on crafting checks, and with the high stakes of failing I could see myself still choosing that over Advantage, given how many times I've rolled things like (2,3) on 2d20 before.
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>>52084461
Like, "The sword on the ground is missing the top part of the blade, broken off" for example, but multiplied by most items in the world we can interact with during exploring.
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>>52084461
>gm getting pissy that you did something clever
>is a passive-aggressive shit about it instead of just saying there wasn't any treasure in the room

w e w
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>Looking at shit for gestalt, just for shits n' giggles
>Two-handed Fighter
>Still gets Weapon Training
>Basically doubles all your damage with two-handed weapons, noticeably doubles your STR bonus on most attacks
>Look at Brutal Slayer and VMC Barbarian
>This guy requires no feats, can fuck around with a Falchion or Nodachi and deal country-deleting damage, and can pounce starting from level 3.

Jesus Christ I've made a monster.
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>>52084495
And I guess that wouldn't count as that specific spell failing, but a lot of my spells I feel he does some mental gymnastics to make them underwhelming/ have less of an impact
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I need reviews, review for Hell's Vengeance applications!
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>>52084524
I'm still writing mine. ;_; I can't decide how edgy I want his back story to be.
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https://app.roll20.net/campaigns/details/2060656

This is an RP-focused living world campaign that I'm sort of in the process of getting things organised for. Please don't set me on fire, but do send questions if you have any.
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>>52084524
I wanna say it's too early but it's also probably going to close up pretty fast, and there'll probably be enough applicants every day for someone to do them.
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>>52084541
>living world

BURN THE WITCH
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>>52084524
I'll start them in a bit. Just grabbing a drink in a moment.
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Still holding out hope someone will announce a kingmaker game before summer.
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>>52084541
>Living World

hard pass.

Also: there's like a dozen living world campaigns going on on r20 already; what makes yours different (other than players will be able to get in on the ground floor)?
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>>52084593

I just want to play a Swordlord ;~;
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>>52084594
As I said, a roleplaying focus, 3pp content and someone actually dedicated to the concept.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT0AuQursRw

Alright here we fuckin go

I'm gonna review each and every character application for Hell's Vengeance, but I do have criteria for a review

NAMELY I gotta have the sheet, backstory and all filled out. else ITS FUCKING RAW.

I will use FIVE countem FIVE criteria to score each review, and they are as follows

1. Appeal - Based off of picture and description and personality, basically, how much do i like to see this character, and how they would react in the world
2. Backstory - Is your backstory shit? Maybe! Lets find out together.
3. Compatibility - This is basically looking most at the surface level mechanics of the character and how much i'd want them as a fellow character in a party
4. Evilosity - How evil are you, and is your evil interesting and/or fun.
5. Shlock Factor - How much do I feel this character would come out of a shitty exploitation movie, crappy 80s/early 90s ultraviolence anime, or various other kinds of pulp media

I'll start this off with a... Mini-review of Shizuka I guess, because while i don't think its worth putting out all my likes and dislikes of an accepted character, I do think its useful to use them as a baseline for the scores I have. Shizuka because it looks like she's the only one out of the three sheets already in that have a like, full sheet (i assume there's some refactoring going on)

And we'll figure it out from there. I'll take requests or make a random table.
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>>52084729

You should do a looksee at all the characters (including former) and pick one you feel best does all five of your criteria!
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>>52084541
>Not auto including Jolly/Forrest content
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Who /diopsid/ here?
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>>52084766
I don't know a lot of 3pp well, so I'm taking requests. It allows me to learn more and consider how well I feel things will suit the present themes in the game.
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>>52084786

As useful as it might be for looking around corners, it's probably a real bitch getting protective headgear to fit.
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>>52084676
I'd settle for this too desu
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>>52084766
Given the clusterfuck of the avowed rebalance, I think Forrest content may be off /pfg/'s auto include list.
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>>52084860
That's fair, let me rephrase

>Not auto including Jolly content
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Theme songs are overrated.

Post your character's spirit animal.
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>>52084860
Is it WORSE after the update?
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So lets just take that surface level look at Shizuka

>Crazy samurai bitch
>like rull crazy
>like fuck holy shit calm down
>like weirdly into blood crazy

And the sparknotes of her backstory is

>Was a painter in Kalsgard
>There was an ancestral sword
>Ancestral sword whispered to her a bunch
>Eventually she went crazy, picked up the sword, murdered her husband
>Sword was actually a black blade
>she goes on the run, eventually becoming a merc with a small degree of fame to her name
>finds her way to Cheliax

Simple enough

Appeal - 5/5 - Ok. I'm a sucker here. She's got long black hair, and fights in a kimono. Plus her weirdly airy personality and her talking bob-ross sword push her up above. She's very Jetstream Sam-like ect.

Backstory- 3/5 - Honestly, this is a bit generic, but its serviceable, and it accounts for some of her crazy, how she got her sword and everything. Its too bad her husband doesn't have a name.

Compatibility - 2/5 - She's pretty much a straight up striker. An initiator/magus is VERY combat focused. She gets points however for having a large array of skills, which is always nice, and being spheres, as sphere maguses in particular benefit from a wider range of abilities. Depending on future talent choices this could go up, and the time sphere in particular is promising in this regard

Evilosity - 3/5 - She's a pretty standard murderous evil, with a side of wanting a really good fight and being a bit crazy. There's nothing wrong with crazy evil, and heck, you'd have to be a bit crazy to be like she is, but it's just solid.

Shlock Factor - 5/5 - This is the real winner of Shizuka. She feels like she's straight out of something like Ninja Scroll, or Drifters, or PICK A SAMURAI ANIME. Her intentions toward blood and violence help this a lot. I just get the feeling that she is straight out of a crappy 90s anime.

So, are there any requests for reviews? Or should I random it.
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>>52084870
The fox, obviously
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>>52084870
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>>52084870
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>>52084883
Random! There are few enough that you can get through probably all the finished ones this evening.
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>>52084883
Might as well start on the other PCs. I believe Dierdre's old stuff is still up on the original character page in addition to Yori's on the current player one for the full cast, I'd like to see an opinion on Dierdre since I was a fan of the character during the first run.
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>>52084879
Chanellers aren't too happy they can no longer top a smiting paladin by having as many attacks as he
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>>52084937
I prefer if he did new applicants.
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>>52084870
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>>52084883
>So, are there any requests for reviews?
Yeah, my dragons 2 character
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Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>52084924
Right then, lets make a list of the apps for review, and ROLL IT

1. Lyra
2. Yuria
3. Lucius
4. Fluer
5. Talathel
6. Zeno
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>>52084937
Dierdre's stuff doesn't seem to be up where i can see, and Yori's page says 'under construction', Shizuka works fine as a baseline

>>52084982
Not the same guy that did those. I can give you a review if you want but i'm doing the HV characters first.

>>52084998
Yuria it is.
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>>52084870
A dragon!
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>>52084946
So it's off the auto-include list because it's weak now?
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>>52085053
as utilities go they're fine, and channellers/rounds users are still fine honestly. The only real problem is the non-weapon-backed shapes that are a bit behind until we see new equipment and combo feats to cover them. Missiles are in a bad spot.

Overall it's not bad it just needs work. Use aether rounds and you're well in the green, too.
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>>52084563
>>52084594
Why do people dislike living worlds so much? Is it the constant time requirement? The open end?
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>>52084946
>no longer top a smiting paladin by having as many attacks as he

this channeler is mad because he didn't want to have channel just be a Flaming +1 Sneak Attack rather than "better at hitting dudes"
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>>52085125
It's that they tend to go nowhere, and what you do tends not to matter. Plus the rules or setup tend to make the entire experience lame at best and unfriendly at worst (particularly if there's some existing veterans who are enjoying their superiority) - something you also see at LARPs.
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>>52085154
It seems to me that in living world settings, what you do ought to matter more than other formats.
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>>52084998
Will you be returning to do reviews on any new sheets that pop up? Juggling a few applications at the moment, so I haven't got anything ready for HV yet.
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>>52085125
That and the fact they tend to be ridiculously cliquey and people who don't join the day the game starts can just get fucked.
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>>52085125
>>52085154
Where with a normal game it's supposed to be everyone having a good time and playing together, a living world becomes about groups competing.

Certain people get favored, cliques start to form, people with power abuse those without. And generally speaking, GMs end up getting free reign to do shit they wouldn't be able to get away with if they only risked scaring off a small group.
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>>52085138
... is flaming +1 sneak attack LESS interesting than 'hitting dudes better'? Isn't that like saying Fighter is more interesting than Soulknife?
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>>52085167
Yeah sure

Hey I have a question as I'm looking over Yuria's sheet and looking stuff up

Does anyone know what a 'Blind Swordsman Samurai' is

Like I can't find the source material for it.
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>>52084998
>reading through apps
>DHB made a hardcore nihilist
>read some more
>he's really fucking evil
>like god damn he is evil

It's weird though, it isn't edgy evil or like mustache twirling villain evil. I'm not sure what category this falls under.
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>>52085203
Spheres of Power Archetype
http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/blind-swordsman
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>>52085203
>He doesn't know about the Blind Nigga Samurai!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a9gQKfvoJE
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>>52085138
You get a +1 weapon and your second purchase increases it to +2, eventually +5 by 15th (you can make the weapon a +2 if you'll only get to 10-12th). This saves you a fuckton of money, OR allows you to jack up the "+1's" special abilities.

By the third purchase, you're doing "better sneak in every way" AND getting a partial soulknife-like weapon augment that either saves money or allows you to make it into a +5 Collision/Psychokinetic/flaming/electric/acid/frost for just the cost of a +8. Also you get pounce.

That +5 weapon, say it was a large greatsword, is going to be doing 3d6+10+4d6+1d4 just from itself alone, before strength, before power attack, before anything else.
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>>52085229
Outstanding, just what I needed.

>>52085228
>>52085238
I WAS LOOKING FOR THE ACTUAL ARCHETYPE YOU FUCKING DONKEYS.
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>>52085223
>DHB actually writes good villains
I can see fighting his character in a good campaign and having a great time.
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>>52085223
Pssshh, and here I am having a helluva a time even trying to come up with something to play.
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>>52085259
I feel like most of DHB's characterizations are pretty consistently great, but his blocks annoy me and I wonder how well he'd fit in a group. It's like, I want to see more of this character, but if I were DMing I wouldn't want to pick them.
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>>52085284

Tengu bloatmage.

Be the fattest bird you can be.
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>>52085306
>tfw party has to roll me around

Yeah that sounds fun actually, but I guess what I actually meant was "something to play from all these loose ideas I'm kicking aruond"
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>>52085290
>but his blocks annoy me
His blocks?

>It's like, I want to see more of this character, but if I were DMing I wouldn't want to pick them.
According to the guy who's Gming for him and greentexts he's:
>punctual
>enthusiastic
>thorough about notes/rp
>kind of autistic
But we all knew about the last one.
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>>52085290

It's a curse for sure, you're either posting short paragraphs of barely anything or huge blocks of characterization.

I don't think anyone's hit that sweet spot.

>>52085284

Make a Henderthane using the political upheaval to advance his house's standing in Cheliax and thus establish themselves as the successors to Einmarch after the Orxines affair.
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>>52085154
>particularly if there's some existing veterans who are enjoying their superiority
See, for instance, the fact that >>52084541 explicitly states that players from his prior game get extra starting gold to get the leg up on newbies.
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>>52085326
>His blocks?
HUGE BLOCKS OF WALLS OF TEXT!
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>>52085306
Ho ho ho...
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>>52085343
HUUUUUUGE BLOCKS OF TEXT
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>>52085338
hahah, jesus christ
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>>52085196
>>52085242
The most interesting part of it would be the ability to add in modulation clauses, but the "best way to build" still favors stacking damage and ignoring actual modulation effects. The other kinda-cool abilities feel more like they're bolted onto something already pretty good, hence "Flaming +1", although really I should have just said "Flaming Speed Pouncing +5".

At this point it's just personal preference and being a salty little bitch, though. Just like how I'm really fucking salty that unarmored, full BaB, MAD swordsman Self Pact is kill as fuck as a byproduct of all the nerfs.
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>>52085326
>>52085328
Sorry, I meant statblocks. I've been impressed by the flavor on pretty much all of his characters that I've read, but his sheets annoy me. Not so much for power level or anything but because I see things and go, "yeah, he definitely took this out of place option to min-max". My stance is that a character only goes too far when they compromise their flavor.
Sometimes his level 1~ sheets aren't particularly strong but there's just stuff sitting on it that makes me think he's got a progression chart mapped out and a few levels from now he's going to destroy the campaign.

BUT, I'm not one of his potential DMs and as said, his DM has good things to say about him so it really shouldn't mean anything coming from me. I'm just a man who regularly min-maxs to do deceptively broken things you see.
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>>52084847

ALL I WANT TO DO
IS CUT PEOPLE WITH SWORDS
AND LOOK REALLY COOL DOING IT
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>>52085390
I can see what you mean on some of his builds, but not others. His Dragons 2 app isn't minmaxed.

His Hell's Vengeance one is fucking on point for flavor.

>Sometimes his level 1~ sheets aren't particularly strong but there's just stuff sitting on it that makes me think he's got a progression chart mapped out and a few levels from now he's going to destroy the campaign.
I think your exaggerating. DHB minmaxes shit like Perform (Dance). Who the fuck cares how good of a dancer he is. The only really dumb strong character he made was Operative Monday.
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Ok. So Yuria

I need to preface this that everything contained here is all just the opinion of a rando on the internet. This isn't anyone who can decide your fate of being selected, its just one jackass with opinions.

Lets go.

>Daughter of a Merc and a Performer. Ok
>SUDDENLY BANDITS ATTACK
>Rape
>she bites a dick off
>left blinded and half-dead by the roadside as reward
>Learn to fight
>murder every single motherfucker that wronged you
>FOUR YEARS SOLID OF MURDER
>End up as a gladiator and a bodyguard, standard merc shit
>gets bored and goes to cheliax for fighting

Man, its really strange that this is the first one after Shizuka. Its another Samurai girl. Another bloodthirsty samurai girl merc. I can't blame em, its a fun archetype. Quite different personalities though, as well as very different char builds. It might be interesting to watch them interact.. If not for. Well.

Her personality is a bit confusing. Is she emotionless? Well no, but she seems to barely have them? Except she gets angry about insults and is eager for fights and spent YEARS on revenging

As other review-anon says. Names. Names names names. It feels like if she's taking years to hunt people down, at least some of those people should have names. And for such a formative period in what seemingly makes this character what she is, its remarkably brief.

Her feeling of being rather serious makes this backstory problem a bit worse actually, because it feels like this is a character at the end of their journey, not near the start. She doesn't seem to be the type to float around, ya know?

Cont...
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>>52085388
The Body subpact of the Self pact is intended to be an unarmored MAD version of the pact, albeit pushed towards a defender focus. As for the full BAB, we're working on it. Honestly, if the archetype is light enough, we MIGHT be able to fit it into A2, but don't get your hopes up. It WILL be coming eventually though - once we work out the maths.
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Rolled 1 (1d5)

>>52085436

Appeal - 3/5 - I mean I know i'm a sucker for samurai girls but this one isn't quite as interesting. Her somewhat garbled personality doesn't help. It needs clarification. I don't really get what makes this character tick besides a need to fight. Pretty art.

Backstory - 3/5 - There's some solid beats but no hook to this backstory. Its serviceable, but I feel like this character would be VASTLY improved if I met her when she was still this like, avatar of vengeance, willing to cut through 100 to kill one, instead of whats left at the end of that process. Maybe she is trying to hunt down the dude whose dick she bit off or a rapist when she's in cheliax. It feels a lot of Yuria's character arc already happened, in brief, and now she's in retirement and murdering for funsies.

Compatibility - 4/5 - Bards always have a place in a party, and an initiating bard is quite a thing. I admit I don't know much about spheres of might, but frankly, i don't think it matters. She has a wide spread of skills and support abilities that should make her something quite strong in battle.

Evilosity - 1/5 - This character is supposed to be CE but fuck their evil is like.. Just not there. She likes to kill, yeah, but I feel like CE is a bit crazier and nastier than that. I think this shares a problem with her backstory where I don't see like.. the motivation and storyhooks. That is also just me. I dunno, I just don't super see the evil in this character.

Shlock Factor - 3/5 - She's got a bit of that slasher revenge flick thing going on, if her personalty and motivations were stronger I think she'd be way higher here.

Ok. Rolling again. Everyone higher than 2 on the chart comes down 1 number. IE lucius is now 2.
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>>52080129
>a 600 year old granny kitsune
too lewd.
It's such a shame she went to waste
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>>52085436
>she bites a dick off
I feel stupid, I didn't realize this at all when I read hers and it's so obvious.
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>>52085436
>>52085443
AND ANOTHER THING

I am just triggered by A CHARACTER GOT RAPED AND WENT EVIL BECAUSE OF IT because i think its dumb.
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>>52085437
I think I've said it before, but don't take it too personally (or seriously) about how much of a salty bitch I am over it, and don't feel rushed. I'm just easily triggered by mentions of Aether Channel.

>Body subpact
You have my attention, but it's wary of being interested after last time.

Off the top of my head, keeping Aether Pulse base damage progression normal, but making the altered channel only add 1d6 + 1 per x damage or something, similar to a slightly bumped Arcane Strike? Then you can only get one other shape fully upped?
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>>52085469
I imagine a lot of actual rape victims would be literally triggered by that, too.

On account of the PTSD. And the implication rape victims turn evil.

Yeah that's fucking awful.
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>>52085469
>>52085556
to be fair, lots of victims of abuse go on to become abusers themselves
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i want Rorymei to get in!
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>>52085566
That's what Stinkfist is supposed to be about, allegedly.
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>>52085566
Those statistics don't typically apply to rape so much as emotional/physical parental abuse, which... doesn't normally include that.
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>>52085609
>>52085609
>>52085609
>>52085609
>>52085609

here we go
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>>52082432
AURELIAN MOPATIS

>be a sargavan guardsman from a family of guardsmen
>be smarter than anyone expects you to be and remember the things you see
>be noticed as particularly sharp
>start selling secrets to the aspis consortium
>start being viewed with suspicion and have to leave, because wow things said around you seem to float into the ether
>sort of wind up as a consortium agent, sent to thuvia to test your skills and loyalty
>have to get a sun orchid
>someone points you in the right direction
>PSYCHE that dude's actually a huge dick, you're captured and sold to a goddamn blue dragon
>dragon experiments on you and something unlocks in you, giving you incredible cosmic power
>somehow you're a failure though, and the dragon books it
>dragonmom finds you and you're slowly nursed back to health, a changed man wielding strange powers
>what do? be loyal to dragonmom? serve the consortium?
>or just look out for number one?

Another strong application with lots of information, a fascinatingly complex backstory with shockingly, names of important characters and a good story progression that marks the character's journey from a regular ol' dude to a consortium agent to the victim of Blue Dragon Seath the Scaleless. Being rescued by Culdranth (who I guess was trying to clean up after another one of her shitty kids) gives caused for limited personal loyalty, while her laziness and Aurelian's own selfishness gives potential for some conflict.

Aurelian gives the appearance of a man too clever by half, and all too-willing to play whatever others want him to as long as he can manipulate them in turn. He's sneaky and selfish- but also clearly a man of causes. He's the pragmatic side of Lawful Neutral, obedient but not loyal. It comes together very nicely.
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Rolled 3 (1d9)

>>52085857
Now for the bad: his backstory antagonist is a super obvious rip on Seath, and he doesn't have any immediate goals. Like, that's about the most offensive thing I can think of. Dude isn't hitting the ground running with any player-directable goals or ambitions.

He also doesn't have any of the strongly stylized 'appeal' of the people who made cute/sexy, anime-kinda characters. Like by virtue of being a serious, conventional character who'd be perfect in a vanilla Pathfinder game he's a little hurt in terms of how he fits into this game.

>Appeal 4/5, a really great application only undermined by how sober it is. In something conventional he'd be a 5/5 easily.
>Backstory 4/5, a bit long but effective and characterful.
>Compatibility 4/5, a martial with a side of face. Very effective as a straightman.
>Dragonality 3/5, not a dragon and not very draconic, but his background antagonist is an interesting addition to the setting with lots of potential.

Going to do a few more on the next page. Enjoy!
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>>52085900
I mean Susurex is an actual dragon from Golarion, and yes he is practically Seath.

http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Susurex
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>>52085915
That is genuinely hilarious. Good catch anon.

I was googling aggressively as I did reviews and I somehow slipped on this one.
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>>52085929
Happens to the best of us, and you've been doing a lot. Keep on reviewing ReviewAnon.
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