Modern General

Well, still looking for feedbacks

>>52074894

>>52077880
>Opinions on the attempted price spikes on cards that aren't getting reprinted?

Well, I'm disgusted. When Wizards finally get their shits together and reprint key cards some fuckers artificially make other cards more expensive so that the format stays pricy and they can keep making money out of it.

>>52077944
There's not that much to say, other than the Primus and Angers which could be Chalice or Lightning Bolt it's a stock hurr prime time valakut list. If it works for you, great.

I see taxes decks have been doing fairly well and they look like the kind of deck I'd enjoy.

Which is better? Regular white weenie taxes or eldrazi n taxes?

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R8 my spicy brew lads.

>>52078036
Eldrazi and taxes is more prevalent, so I can assume it's the better of the two.

>>52078049

Yes, that is, in fact, a deck. Congratulations.

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reposting because noone commented on my OC that took 10 mins to make..

>>52078123
It's very nice anon :)

>>52078123
I have brewed with Serum Powder + Eternal Scourge myself and can attest to the experience.

I felt like a genius for the feelgood valuetown of Serum Powder into turn two THREE THREE FROM EXILE BAYBAY

Until I realized a 3/3 on turn 2 + CA is not necessarily that gamebreaking, especially for the cost of potential dead draws thanks to the Serum Powders remaining in your deck.

but the synergy is so fun I don't want to dismantle the deck.

Hello everyone

I've been playing 8 Rack for a month now and I think I got the hang of it.

My meta consists of Creature base decks and BGX decks, I have no affinity and only budget eldrazi tron builds (none use Karn and one uses O stone). Which I found that Ensnaring Bridge toppled them.

My issues, which I need advice about, is how to fight Grixis and Jeskai control. More importantly, what's the best way to fight decks that 4 of Ancestral Visions? Is there any sideboard cards and/or play styles that can beat these control decks?

What about suggested sideboard cards for my meta, which consists of:

Abzan
Jund
Abzan chord
Grixis Control
Eldrazi Tron
Bant Eldrazi
Merfolk
Cheerios
Zoo
Naya company
B/W Tokens
Infect
Constrictor
Jeskai Control
Jeskai Nahiri (who barely comes but still count as the meta)

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>>52078355
>8 rack

>>52075529
>it might go somewhere
If it ever finishes in the top 8 of a GP, WOTC will ban Grape Shot. They hate the deck with a remarkable passion.

>>52075785
This, desu.

>>52078582
How is it any worse than ad nauseum

>>52078285

>>52078148


Heres my list i made with the general idea.. im kind of poor at this moment in time so i used what i had and bought what i could. I like creatures that take over the game, and i like cheating them into play so this version is a fun brew for me.

>>52078671
oops lol

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/589416#online

>>52077880
>Playing?
Faeries
>Hating?
Eldrazi Tron
>What does control need to be more viable in the format?
Decent card selection
>Do you think we can safely unban one of the cantrips or is that too crazy?
Probably, if Wizards are that scared of muh combo they need to finally bite the bullet and ban Grapeshot
>Do you think DSJ is just fotm or do you think it has a place to stay in the formt? DO you think the results it's been putting up have been because of the people playing it or because it's tier 0?
Not a clue, my feeling is probably flavour fo the month but it's hard to tell yet, Push probably offers a decent out against it but people are still fiddling with their removal.
>Opinions on the attempted price spikes on cards that aren't getting reprinted?
Pretty disgusting, I hate the financial side of Magic

>>52078730
>It's a chalice deck

You fiend.

Looks close enough to a Legacy Eldarzi Stompy skeleton that I'd just play it there and enjoy the obnoxious stuff that really get Endless One consistently huge.

How are you finding:
>Smuggler's Copter
>Pack Rat

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What did he mean by this?

>>52078946
fuck off (((rudytor)))

>>52077880
i just need a set that is completly illustrated by rebecca guay, terese nielsen and greg staples.
20/10 if is a angel themed set and makes angel tribal a viable deck in modern

>>52079016
I nominate this post for most autistic post of 2017

>>52078886

pack rat is good when you t1 it in with gemstone caverns. its also great in the lategame when your opponent has spent all their removal getting rid of your eldrazi and you can keep up the 3 mana to replace it, or alternatively when you have a spellskite down.

copter is good when you t1 it in and also have a manland to get it swinging. dat card advantage.

>>52079028
Seconded

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>>52077880
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-03-17-modern-elves/
Looking for feedback on my budget list. I'll probably adapt the deck to be G/B before too long, but this has been performing well at FNMs and so on.

Should I replace 1 of each Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves for Boreal Druid maybe? Maelstrom Pulse isn't super popular, but it might be a good plan that doesn't actually cost me anything

Also looking for general upgrades, and especially sideboard options. If i ever take this to a GP or something I'd like to have a sideboard more turned for a 'real' meta.

Someone in the last thread recommended Westvale Abbey, so I might experiment with one of them, but I'm not sold entirely.

Should I buy into dredge or eldrazi and taxes?

My meta is almost entirely midrange, control with tron

>>52079016
I'd settle for FTVs being entirely comprised of one well known mtg artist doing the new art for all the cards printed

>>52079188
D R E D G E

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>>52079028
>>52079099
>Plebians

>>52077880

>Playing?
I don't know yet. Might build DSJ. Might build burn. Might build grixis control.

>Hating?
Tron decks. Eldrazi decks.

>What does control need to be more viable in the format?
Not Counterspell, JTMS or Ponder.
Control needs a couple more cards like Fatal Push, Kolaghan's Command and Cryptic Command, especially in Dimir and Simic color combinations.
Strong planeswalkers that aren't Liliana or Jace subtyped, and control planeswalkers that aren't in RW like Ajani Vengeant and Nahiri.
Lightning Helix, or close to, in mono black.
Reprints like Absorb or Undermine instead of Counterspell. They don't need to be broken, they just need to have better strategic variety to make them more difficult to prepare against.

>Do you think we can safely unban one of the cantrips or is that too crazy?
The only thing it helps is the fledgling noninteractive combos that remain in the format. No. Control wants interesting Anticipate variants for instant speed card quality control.

>Do you think DSJ is just fotm or here to stay?
It's here to stay, I think. But it's not tier 0. Also difficult to pilot and easy to btfo with surprise tech. It has very constrained lines of play when it does seek to win that can be exploited. It's also a cool deck.

>Opinions on the attempted price spikes that aren't getting reprinted?
Ohboyherewego
I checked Mishra's Bauble as soon as I read that out lo and behold it's $40 on scg over the $17 it was what feels like days ago.
Attempted? I'd say successful.
Bauble is nice but I'm not convinced it's essential to the DSJ deck.
Bauble and a good number of other cards certainly are in great demand for reprinting though. MM2018 should strive for that.

>>52079030
Manlands and Smuggler's Copter eh? Hmm.

>>52079159
>Maelstrom Pulse trickery
Start with replacing a single Llanowar Elves for the lelz and see how you do.

>Upgrades
+1/2 Chameleon Colossus in SB if you anticipate Abzan. They pack Path to Exile which Colossus is a Lightning Rod for, but that will feed your additional copies and it's nice to continue saying FUCKING NOPE to Fatal Push.

Otherwise the Chord of Calling creature Toolbox thing is nice. Don't bother with Fracturing Gust, as nice as it is. Have a second Kataki instead, since Affinity often has removal for the first.

I enjoy watching booster box openings as well as card discussion. I don't play the game much, other than duels quests.

>>52079494
Autism

>>52079494
how is that relevant to the modern thread timmy?

Is that r/u kiln fiend TITI deck still a thing? Or did the probe ban kill it?

>>52080428
Probe ban killed it. I had a friend who was playing it for a while and tried replacing Probes with Surgical Extraction but it didn't really work out.

>>52080503
Damn. I've wanted to build it and thought maybe slip through space would help but oh whale

>>52078049
I saw a pretty spicy Coco Walls list a while back that you might want to check out

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>>52078036
I've been running GW Taxes for access to Scooze, Loxodon Smiter, Wilt-Leaf Liege and Gaddock Teeg; it's really fun.

>>52080829
What's up with you and other autists playing hatebears lately? What did the deck get? As far as I recall it was draw your arbiter and gq/path or lose

>>52078123
mind posting a link? I love jank.

>>52080428
Probe banning and push getting printed pretty much neutered it.

>>52079446
All very good suggestions. Chameleon definitely seems good!

As for chord targets, you're probably right. Maybe a couple Kataki just to break their back if they can deal with the first.

>>52079016
You can have after I get a set illustrated by Wayne Reynolds

>>52080877
I dunno man, I built mine pre-Eldrazi winter. Adding green makes it easier to just win via creature beats if your hate gets killed.

>>52080990
Please no

>>52080990
As long as it's not Kev Walker I'm good.

Why isn't painted bellower a deck at all? I feel like a couple birds and hierarchs to ramp your shit out and then the bellower package is pretty good, phantasmagoric image is good on its own, and bellower is a 6 mana green sun zenith and a 6/5 for 2. Only combo card is painters servant

>>52074894
seems pretty stock, but I think the woodfall primus should be a one of. It's cute, but I think it would be better to focus on titaning out some value lands as well as kessing wolf run

>>52081149
>>52077944
whoops

>>52081010
>he doesn't want to play pathfinder the gathering

>>52078036
Bant Eldrazi > E&T

>>52079159
I can't express how much better Shaman of the Pack makes Elves.

>>52081202

bant eldrazi > e&t
Tron eldrazi > bant eldrazi
E&T > Tron eldrazi

>>52078123
fgt

>>52080899

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/589416#online
do it for the dubs

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UNBAN SPLINTER TWIN

>>52081324
>trondrazi>bantdrazi>>>>>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eldrazi and """""""Taxes"""""""""

>>52081362
Standard thread is down the road to the left

>>52081362
hey I think you got thewrong thread buddy, standard thread is two block down

>>52081362
I hate even looking at this deck.

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>>52079159

>disregarding Westvale Abbey in elves
>the card costs pennies so it's even good for budget build

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>>52081386
>>52081401
>>52081410
STOP IT

>>52081420
Why would you run a card that kills all your cards for a guy that eats a nice path?

>>52081362
Excuse me sir, why do you run 4 of that card that is a trash 1/4 without flash for 4 mana?

>>52081482
It blinks a permanent for value. Please don't bully the cat.

>>52081420
>trading 5 creatures going wide with lords pumping them to 3/3 or 4/4 and tge capability to overrun
>for a path target that will be a fucking 6 for 1
>on a land that doesn't even tap for green.
Don't try to go big as well as wide. You're only getting a half measure of both.

>>52081704
but it's cool you retard

>>52081745
I'd rather be good than cool.

>>52081444
>>52081704
This shit legit happened on me at the GP. The elves guy had 5 dudes including ezuri. I have a sakura tribe on the field. He sacs all his elves for ormendahl and hits me for 9. I went off back to back breach primetime. This was the 3-0 bracket but still.. wtf man

>>52081774
your pro tour record sure is stunning

>>52081372
Not true

>>52081863
is eldrazi and taxes the same as heartless summoning eldrazi? the deck sure was a meme

>>52081863
Retard and gay

>>52081894
No it's nothing alike

>>52081899
You must be 18 years old to post here

>>52081926
You're honestly trying to tell me, Eldrazi and less than .5% of the meta is better than 2 of the top tier 1 decks right now?

>>52077880

What does control need to be more viable in the format?

Control doesn't do too bad against most types of combo in the format. Hyper-aggro kills it. I'd imagine something as effective as top-terminus would give control legs. Even if top were unbanned though it wouldn't be too bad as there aren't any good brainstorm effects in modern but it''s just that playing on paper takes so much time.

I'm definitely sure that putting turn clocks like in chess would improve the game and get ride of bullshit bans like top

>>52081949
No you illiterate mongoloid, I'm telling you it's better than shit.

>>52081845
>Modern Pro Tours
What a story, Mark.

>>52081704
>>52081444

Abbey is an out from a board wipe (and elves fold like toilet paper to wrath effects). You activate it in response to anger/wrath. If they tapped out to wipe you, you get one extra huge attack that helps to put you back on track (lifelink).

>>52081985
People have gone over this dozens and dozens of times, chess clocks just don't work in paper magic. Priority is passed around so frequently that there would be more time spent clock slapping than fucking shuffling

>>52082102
>didn't get a pro-tour invite before they scrapped modern PT

are you even trying?

>>52082153

Yeah and it'll force the strong to survive. If you're literally ritard then you'll end up with a draw.

>>52081985
Just let them have Preordain

Or literally anything not named Splinter Twin

>>52082133
>folds like toilet paper
who even says that

but yeah I guess that's elves' only out to wrath unless they run some dank shit like selfless spirit

>>52082200
It would also slow down game play even for fast decks. Burn could no longer turn 1 fetch shock guide swing pass after trigger all in one motion and finish shuffling on the opponents turn because of the required clock slapping for each action of that sequence. And "literally ritard" isn't a very good argument

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>>52082153
get heavy duty clocks anon

chess, not checkers

>>52082265
>people who use fetchlands or use lantern control start getting draws for half the matches they play
>meta shifts towards decks who don't use the stack 10x a turn
>fetchland prices go down + no more slow play problems

how is this a problem?

>>52082331
External factors that inhibit certain properties of the game should be limited as much as possible and definitely never introduced on purpose. I'm aware this has already happened with the 50 minute but when it's unpreventable it is preferable that the effect (and response) favor faster game play rather than slower game play

>>52082331
It always comes down to shitty little poorfags

>>52082245
Twin is the obvious unban. Step up your game, senpai.

UNBAN HYPERGENESIS THE DECK ISN'T EVEN GOOD

>waaaah twin has too many variants

Meanwhile we have countless eldrazi, tron and gbx variants running around.
Just unban twin already. I wouldn't even play but come the fuck on

>>52082331
>boohoo I don't like lantern or fetchlands ;_;
>d-don't use the stack guys my mono G stompy deck can;t interact with it
>I can't afford fetchlands and don't know what slow play is

kys retard

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>>52082503
lantern player pls stop being slow

>>52082509
Or you could kill yourself

>>52082501
I honestly think reality smasher and thought knot are fucking cancer, being colorless, they're essentially just 3 and 4 mana respectively, they're just bullshit overpowered cheap ass creature tappening cards. Literally just "oh the creature decks are losing to combo? Let's give new creatures thought seize, and a 5/5 trample haste with protection while we're at it"

>>52082556
Not respectively, in retarded, I thought I said thought knot first

>>52082153
Oh wow I completely forgot about the stack, I was thinking it would be more like time taken per turn.

I guess modern can never have top...unless wizards stops caring just like with legacy.

pls disregard

and unban splinter twin

>>52082556
Lmao get over it

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>>52082509

>>52082556
why is twin even still banned if it was banned beacuse of bad exposure for modern PTs which don't even exist anymore

corporate jews ruin everything

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>>52082585
>I forgot about the stack

>>52082612
kek'd

>>52082604
I am over it, I run storm and shit on memedrazi all day

>>52082644
If you were over it you wouldn't have even made the post. You have no right to call things memes when you are running fucking storm

>>52082612
This is the most innocuous lock in Magic. It revolves around an artifact, counterspell, and creature. If you think it's unfair and can't interact with it, that makes you a bitch.

>>52082696
>>52082696
too bad it's dead

>>52082663
Storm is a top 10 deck right now according to mtggoldfish, stay mad

>>52082535
Lantern players aren't slow, the turns should be very fast.

Is anyone actually expecting any changes to the banned list on Monday?

>>52082748
Lantern is like top in that an experience player has no problems with time but a shit one will take forever deciding if they want you to have the top card of your library or not.

>>52082756
>mox opal banned
>ssg banned
>blood moon banned
>tron lands banned
>grapeshot banned
>empty the warrens banned
>ensnaring bridge banned
>splinter twin unbanned

>>52082748
It's not Lantern players that are slow, nor is it Eggs players who are slow. Same goes for Miracles in Legacy.

It's the dumb shits who want to play the flavor of the week and don't put any effort into learning how the deck runs and practicing and getting good and instead make everyone have to suffer through their fucking learning process.

I didn't play any of the decks because I knew that I could not put in the time or effort to not be a shitter myself, but it was clear who knew their shit out of nowhere and who just jumped on the bandwagon. It's too bad that the people who were competent had to get all the bad press from the retards who couldn't be bothered to do it well.

>>52082779
Why would you even post this

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>>52082743

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>>52082810
Ebip meemes :DDD

>tfw you click the wrong thumbnail and almost upload a dick pic to a blue board

>>52082153
On the other hand. This would enforce the passed priority, but then again you can't really fuck around with shortcuts... Holy crap how bad slamming a clock would be.

>>52082833
Jesus Christ, are you really going to rake a guy over the goals over an error by a 0.17% margin?

This is why Magic doesn't go anywhere, we're just constantly shitting on each other over minute discrepancies in statements. We just repeat the same tired MaRo quotes over and over again because we'd rather accuse that the person doesn't know what they're talking about or doesn't have the background. All you have to do is just mention the Reserve List and it will derail anything.

>>52082443
But then every control deck is Twin and that's just boring

>>52082833
Wow, you sure got me, it's actually 11th

>>52082924
BGx control would still rape the twin with it's abrupt decay.

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>>52082833
>storm higher on the list than infect

WAKE ME UP
((wake me up inside))

>>52082796
My store had three people who just passed around the Eggs deck to learn it. FNM was three months of people playing the deck like shit. On one hand it's a garbage thing to watch on PT streams, on the other, the bad players who had money to throw around helped give the deck a shit reputation.

>>52082762
>>52082796
The deck doesn't play slow though unless you are a literal retard or it's you're first time ever piloting the deck and you've never seen it in action. I don't know where the misconception comes from that lantern is a slow deck, if you watch it in tournaments or even bothered to play it, the turns before the lock are either discard, artifact or stirrings and once the lock is in place it's about as draw go as it comes. If you're playing some mouthbreather who spends an eternity thinking about if he can let you have the top card, call slow play on him.

It's not even a hard choice most of the time either you just have to ask yourself if it can get rid of bridge, kill you or enable a way to do either of those things. I mean I'm not saying the deck is easy to play but it sure as fuck shouldn't be slow playing even if you are relatively inexperienced with it.

also even with an experienced eggs player they can still take a while to go off and that presents other problems obviously along with shitters picking up the deck.

>>52082924
Opposed to the zero control decks now?

>>52082956
INFECT IS DEAD, LONG LIVE INFECT

>>52083006
Tron's a control deck

>>52082921
>0.17% margin
Please explain.

>>52082748
yeah majority of people are retarded, only a handful of lantern players are literate and actually know what they're doing. the other 90% are just drooling ironic griefers

>>52082779
And Enchantress takes its rightful place in T1.

>twinnigers craled out of their hole and shit up the thead

Give up niggers, even pod players had more decency than you, you fucking autists.

It's already over the year.

>>52082995
>literally what >>52082762 and >>52082796 said, but longer

are u a shit lantern player?

>>52082921
Itss almost like the MtG community is just perpetuating a stagnant culture. We just play the same decks against the same decks with very little variance relative to the massive card pool. We play against the same people. We're reluctant and downright angered by any change. Magic has been "dying" for years, but the reality is that it's just gone stake. Like a dried beetle husk. Not even a shell of what it once was, because it's always been the same and never WAS anything.

Magic needs some huge infusion of something to breathe life into it and I'm sure no one can agree on what that something is. So until someone finds it, we just keep going through the same old and tired routines.

>>52082331
Wait, are you saying we should artificially restructure the game with a time component to shit on decks that require genuine interaction?

Fuck you /tg/, this is too much. The buttsex better be great tonight or we're through.

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>>52077880
>pick up some Fulminator Mages for SCG Dallas last week
>$15 a piece for Shadowmoor LP
>Put my decklist together on Goldfish
>Fulminators up to $40 a piece in the past 2 days

u wot

>>52082921
>This is why Magic doesn't go anywhere

and here i was sure it wasn't cause it's a clunky card game manchildren play.

>>52082995
It's can be a slow deck by nature in the same way control decks with countermagic are slow. Except instead of counterspells you see the top card of their deck.

Imagine you got a shitter who doesn't know anything about the game beyond where their own deck ends. Every single goddamn card revealed from the top of their deck is going to put them into the tank as they try to use their lack of experience with the entire format to figure out what the fuck the opponent is playing. They see a Remand on top and they can't immediately tell what deck that represents or if it was Mana Leak. Or maybe they see a Fulminator Mage and if they've never seen Living End they just go into the tank. If they see a Hierarch it's just going to slog them down as they try to figure out whether its Infect or Spirits. Or they can't figure out if they should send the Lava Spike into the yard or not because they're pissing themselves over whether or not they'll give them a Bolt. It's the exact same situation they would get into if they had a counterspell in their hand - they have no fucking clue whether to use the spell because they don't know what cards are important in what deck. Except it's very clear when you can or can't use countermagic, the moment the bell comes online it's every fucking draw where they go into the tank.

>>52083145
>lantern slow plays if you aren't experienced
vs
>lantern doesn't slow play unless you a tard and shouldn't ever slow play regarless of your experience

are u a shit reader?

>>52083146
Nice projection mate

>>52082833
>being so BTFO that you resort to pedantry

enjoy getting cucked by storm

>>52083146
Yeah, have you thought about the possibility that you are just wrong?

>>52083107
The metagame percentage. 19 decks vs 20 decks. 2.54% vs 2.67%

Shit I can't do math; 0.13%

>>52083190
are you this retarded? get you're eyes checked i'm honestly concerned

>>52082956
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>52082833
This format is garbage. Holy shit.

>>52083179
>unless you're a literal mouthbreather
Like I said go watch the deck actually being played, anybody who's played more than two games with the deck should be playing at a reasonable pace.

>>52083268
What's the matter friend? Don't like aggro?

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Has anyone here tried bubble hulk? Ad Nauseam is probably just better since it doesn't use the yard, but is it okay or complete shit?

>>52083173
Fulminators were $40 before their reprinting in MM15. It's completely hilarious how they jumped back to that point. One year from now everyone's going to be saying, "Well Liliana got cheaper at first" in response to the observation that she's going to be higher than she ever was before the reprinting.

It's so fucked it's not even funny.

>>52083234
No, but you might be. The posts are very clearly different dipshit.

>>52083190

>>52082762
>Lantern isn't a slow deck except when you're not retarded

>>52082796
>Lantern isn't a slow deck except when you're not retarded or a scrub

>>52082995
>Lantern isn't a slow deck except when you're not retarded or a scrub but this time I say more things

Words that are spelled differently can mean the same thing too anon

>>52083293
I used to run it pretty hard, no through the breach, just grixis. Tbh it's pretty good for modern combo. But modern combo is fucking trash so whatever.

>>52083054
nani

>>52083251
(WAKE ME UP INSIDE)

>>52083293
if you find it fun or are on a budget it's excellent for FNM

>>52082956
thank god i sold infect for BGX

i-i did the right thing, right guys?

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>>52082509
Here's mine :)

Wizards pls unban Eye.

>>52083353
What if they banned mimic but unbanned eye? Would probably still be broken...

>>52082833
Welp, WOTC are gonna ban another storm piece on the 13th of march. They just cant stand the deck being anywhere above tier 3.

>>52082779
I'm conflicted... i LOVE storm. But I miss twin so much.

>>52083353
oh god why are the file sizes so big

>inb4 eldrazi joke

>>52083221
I don't think that's how it works. You could say: chance of not being top ten = (133-10)/133=.9248
chance of being top 10 = 10/133=.0752
chance of being in position x = 1/133=.00752
So the chance of being not on top 10 but 11 = .9248*.00752=0.0069544
error of not being top 10 = (0.0752-0.0069544)=.0682=6.82%
I think

>>52083192
>>52083220
Are you telling me that I'm wrong? When you can come here/Reddit/ salvation/ any lgs and see what I'm talking about? Every day it's the same threads, discussions, arguements, circlejerks, questions, answers, whatever. Can you not see?

>>52083387
I'd take that trade in a fucking heartbreak. You're right about it still being busted, though.

No matter how hard I wish wizards isn't going to unban Eye.

>>52083387
>he wants to buff Tron

>>52083445
then maybe break the mold? the rate of solving for a format is so high that breakout modern decks just come out every other year or so.

I'd say this year was ok since it shat out Jund Shadow and Baral Storm.

Don't feel bad just cause you didn't figure out the flavor of the month :^)

>>52083469
That's not what I'm talking about, but whatever.

>>52082756
Yes.

>>52083481
>stagnant culture...we play the same decks and circlejerk about the same thing for eternity

ya dun goofed

>>52083314

>>52082762
>Lantern is like top in that an experience player has no problems with time

>>52082796
>It's the dumb shits who want to play the flavor of the week and don't put any effort into learning how the deck runs

vs
>>52082995
>The deck doesn't play slow though unless you are a literal retard or it's you're first time ever piloting the deck and you've never seen it in action
Has nothing to do with being an "experienced" lantern player was the point and difference in the post.

>>52083346
what is BGX, are you just talking about the colors or is that a deck acronym i don't know because i'm not cool and trendy like you guys

>>52083627
>BGx
Basically jund, abzan or just straight GB.

I think anyone that builds a tier 1 deck for the sole purpose of fnm should be diagnosed with autism

>>52083627
BGx is stuff like Jund and Abzan. Tarmogoyf, Abrupt Decay, Inquisition of Kozilek, etc.

>>52083627
>what is BGX
The colour combo for mouth breathers who like to think their deck is complicated or hard to pilot

>>52083627
Black, Green and x(something else or nothing).

>>52083627
it's abzan specifically anon.

still can't get over how terrible the KTK names sound

>>52083698
>it's abzan specifically anon
No

>>52083698
i meant the one i built

>>52083717
>>52083731
talking about the one i built

>>52083698
That's junk retard.

>>52083601
here's your (You)

>>52083752
nobody calls it junk anymore here :(
they actually think it's junk

>>52083759
Not an argument

Why don't esper lists run secure the wastes?

>>52083809
Because they are special little autists

>>52083783
You

>>52083809
Most esper draw go lists do? Ignore the memers who use white suns zenith

>>52083826
>i have no argument so I'll post (you) memes
thanks for the (you)'s anyways :)

>>52083862
>>(You)

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>>52083442
He's talking about the circled percentages which is meta share%, not about chance of being in the top ten. You literally need to have 2.67% meta share or better to be in top 10 right now, storm has 2.54%. He's saying that there is no significant difference between 10th place and 11th place, making this anon's >>52082833
post very asinine.

>>52083661
I build tier 1 Decks because they are easier to sell when I get bored of them
>sold 11 Tier 1-2 Decks since I started to play (14 months ago).

>>52083809
because they think 2/2's is somehow worth the triple W mana cost and inability to snapcaster-WSZ

I see very little reason to use WSZ over Secure

>>52083651
>jund/abzan

so basically cancerous midrange which is probably the best decks in the format right now

;_;

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>>52084079
>cancerous midrange
>best decks in the format

>>52084150
>Implying DSJ isn't the most refined efficient midrange deck

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>>52084079
>best deck in the format
Yes, BGx is the best deck in the format. Everyone should play it. You will win every time.

>>52083991
What did he mean by this ?
Are you proud to be a shot or something ?

>>52084166
>the average t-1/2 modern deck has multiple weak matchups
>abzan/jund/DSJ: one only (tron)

>>52084179
No, it means I'm having a hard case of finding Decks i can enjoy for over 1 month. Though i found a complementary hobby of MTG, selling/buying, I like it.
I think i did good with building Affinity, also finishing Eldrazi Tron.

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>>52084204
>DSJ is weak to tron
Love this meme

>>52082779
Holy fuck I would jizz my pants

>>52084281
>DSK
It out controls you, it out aggros you, it truly is the perfect mix

The lack of a moderately okay BUG list is depressing. This is something I've been mulling over for awhile. It seems like the tools are there, but once it comes together it just falls short of being competitive.

As I'm typing this I'm remembering an anon airing the same issue a little over a week ago.

What does BUG need? Is it cards, or is it a combination of existing cards that hasn't been found yet? What shell should it be in (BGx, control)?

>>52084458
Compare the blue modern cards to the white and black ones

>>52084493
White and red rather

>>52084458
Why do people need a midrange list in every colour combo? Why is that something we need to have?

I'm honestly curious, has anyone thought about combining R/G scapeshift and skred? I could see primeval titan and questing into 12 damage from valakut to close out with a skred for lethal. Am I just trying to meme?

>>52084519
>skred for lethal
Nani?

>>52084519
Read Skred again
If it hit players it would already be banned

>>52084556
>>52084540
I have dishonored my senpai, please let me commit sudoku

>>52084493
>>52084506
So, it really is a lost cause then? Still doesn't answer my question of what blue needs for be the x in BGx.

>>52084519
>Skred for lethal

>>52084579
Shardless
DRS
A good cantrip

>>52079159
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/06-03-17-modern-elves/

I've been playing elves regularly since last summer, never taken it to anything but local FNMs, but those are fairly competitive and meta so I feel I have a good level of experience.

DROP

Fauna Shaman, Perfect, Warcaller, and Vanquisher are all cool but not what the deck is ultimately trying to do. As long as you're mono-G the Fauna Shaman is fine but Warcaller is a serious nonbo with both chord and CoCo, you'd be better off running two more Ezuris (though I still wouldn't go above 3). I'm of the opinion that the 19 lands is one more than you need as well, would definitely drop a forest for an extra spell. Cage screws you as much as dredge because it turns off CoCo, but without the Shamans that's less important. I think they're overkill with the four Relics, though I'm not sold on those either.

ADD/consider

Heroic Intervention, Loaming Shaman, Scavenging Ooze, Lead the Stampede, Chameleon Colossus, Westvale Abbey


You're mono-G, so you should probably be playing Heroic Intervention out of the board because you have no other protection against wipes. With your Chords you should consider Loaming Shaman or Scooze, which are fetchable or can be hit by CoCo unlike the relics. In mono-G I'm also a fan of Lead the Stampede, which lets you mulligan better and is more resilient against heavy removal. Chord is better in a deck with a toolbox, and mono-G doesn't have a very good toolbox at all. Lead helps you plow through interactive decks with sheer card advantage. If you switch to lead then disregard the anti-gy options. Chameleon Colossus is also the only way you have to fight back against black control, so definitely get one or even two for the board (they're also a dollar - do this no matter what). I personally like running both westvale and nykthos (one each) and have a full abzan list, with very few mana problems. Other people will tell you to just take one but I think that's personal preference.

>>52084556
>>52084540
>>52084599
Boros reckoner

>>52084624
If DRS is ever unbanned and I have to play against turn 2 lili again I will kill myself

Really want to play a Blood Moon deck I just wish they were better in Modern. It just needs one more card I feel like or some new unique spice.

>>52084751
Abzan plays turn 2 Lili with hierarch now.

But yes, I play legacy and drs is a cancer.

>>52084687

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-03-17-modern-abzan-elves/

This is my current list. Still looking to upgrade a few Forests into Caverns and probably swap out a couple marshes for more Gilt-Leaf Palaces but otherwise very happy where I'm at.

>>52084792
RUG delver senpai. It's the best moon deck because it has such a quick clock and operates just fine under the enchantment. Plus, cheap counters strain their mana even more

>>52083353
>Liking eldrazi
Consider suicide

>>52083680
>t. Salty goldfish deck player

>>52083698
Abzan is at least not as shitty as all the others

>>52084911
>Jeskai XDD

fuck those chinks

>>52084939
The only one worse is Temur

>>52084717
And now im doing it, thank you anon

>>52083680
woah, alost dropped your fedora there

>>52084458
BUG is alright tho

at the moment it will just continue to be alright, there was a midrange pseudo-toolbox list with Traverse that seemed pretty good

>>52085221
Was posted somewhere easy to find?

>>52085282
Yea my butt lmao

>>52085295
ayy

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>>52084939
>tfw your deck and waifu are no longer playable

>>52085282
ye it's on mtggoldfish as UBG

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>>52084792
>what is chandra flamecaller
>what is blue gearhulk

>>52085282
>>52085325
looking through it there's another deck listed as Sultai that's pretty similar

>>52085360
>chandra flamecaller
I think you mean Torch of Defiance, but I still think Flamecaller is really underrated right now.

When are the next bans?

>>52085703
monday

Here's a sneak peak though, my dad works at magic the gathering.
>mox opal banned
>ssg banned
>death's shadow banned
>Splinter twin unbanned

>>52085813
if only that were true

>>52084687
I was probably going to remove the prefect and drop down a Warcaller or two. I like Warcaller because it's a good manasink from your hand, but I can see the argument for Scooze being pretty good. Perfect is the weakest link, no doubt. I'll definitely get rid of that for another Ezuri probably.

Heroic Intervention also seems decent, since the deck does fold to wipes. I'm hesitent to run it mainboad, but if the deck is that weak to it, it's probably worth it.

I do intend to move to G/B eventually, in which case the cut lords will probably just become Shaman of the Pack.

And Colossus was recommended, and I found them in my trade binder so I've added them to the board for now.

>>52085813
Why do you want Death's Shadow to be banned?

>>52085943
because it's broken like every other card on the list?

1 mana 50/50's are too strong

>>52086126
just ban thoughtseize desu

so do I just Sphinx's Rev for 8 or do I actually go for the 15 meme dream

>>52086159
Only cast it when you have every one of your lands in play and deck yourself.

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>>52085813
Only if I can get my Fun-sculptor unban

>>52085360
>blue gearhulk

kek

Torrential Gearhulk is a pretty trash card in modern

Stormbreath vs Thundermaw?

My vote goes to Stormbreath

>>52086126
>doesn't run removal

it's a shame autism is for life

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Is Abzan eventually going to be tier 0 with how hard NWO pushed Selesnya?

>>52086454
not as long as we have tron shitting all over midrange decks

>>52086126

Turn 1 drop fetch, shock, thoughseize
Turn 2 drop fetch, shock, thoughtseize, fetch shock Death's shadow

Turn 2 4/4 after spending 5 cards? yeah DEFINITELY broken

>>52086454
Given white hasn't got anything particularly good in modern since innistrad I'll so no. Unless you count rhino being broken in pod I guess. At the current rate of new cards entering modern it's more likely GB will drop the third color entirely. But that's a long way off in any case.

>>52086497
You're an idiot

>>52086553
hey don't sperg out buddy! i promise we'll find the cure for autism one day

>>52086497
t. DSJ player

>>52086596
(You)

>>52086553
>>52086126

>I have special needs

I wonder how it feels like to disappoint your parents being born autistic? It's not like it's your fault,

>>52086686
>n-no don't ban my 1 mana 50/50's I need them to be competitive
The deck is busted anon and needs a ban, you're only defense is to call people autistic. It's ironing at it's finest really.

>>52086708
Don't feel bad just cause no one at work talks you : (

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Just masturbated to Terese Nielson cards AMA

>>52086517
>Gideon, Ally of Fun-dikar
>Dromoka's Command

While I admit they are sideboard material it's still more then most colors get

>>52086708
Death's Shadow already took a ban. It's a very interactive deck now.
There are plenty of cards you can use to get it off the board. Get gud.

>>52086881
Yeah but recently GB has gotten collective brutality, fatal push, grim flayer, newest lili, Traverse (although this doesn't fit in a traditional GBx shell), kalitas, and scooze if you consider that recent.
Also dromoka's command doesn't even see sideboard play.
White gets more new stuff than blue, but far less than black and green. Red's recent stuff has either been tied with black or pretty situational.

>>52086892
scrubbs be scrubbin', mad that he can't afford anything from DSJ aside from death's shadow

>>52086892
Wasn't the same deck so it's not the same. Running 8 discard spells + kcommand is hardly interactive when they strip my answers and strip my top decks. Deck is dominating and needs a ban, we've never seen a deck this powerful before.

>>52086892
>It's a very interactive deck now.
On this subject, would you be happy with a singular top deck if it was fair /tg/? In the same way legacy has miracles

>>52087013
DSZ also literally ran thoughtseize, stop talking out of your ass retard

>>52080990
gross

>>52081048
what's with the hate friendo

i find the washed out aesthetic pleasant

it's still holds a candle against all the low detail NU digital "art" nowadays

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Give me the detail on storm. Assuming no banlist changes, what are it's bad matchups, and what can it do to combat them? I definitely don't have a friend who is buying into storm.

>>52087013
Were you not playing when Oath came out?
Fuck, why am I still giving this blithering idiot replies?

>>52086497
Using 2 thoughtsiezes does not equal "just shocking yourself for no reason other than to get your deaths shadow bigger."

>>52087180
kiddo I've probably been playing longer than you so don't start that shit. We've never seen a deck as strong as death's shadow in modern and don't even think of comparing it to eldrazi, DSJ makes eldrazi look like chump change and if eldrazi got a ban than DSJ sure as hell needs one too.

>inb4 git probe was the ban
Not the same deck try gain kiddo

>>52087288
Agreed, tarfire is fundamentally broken and has to go

>>52087303
I'm thinking more along the lines of free cantrips senpai, or maybe getting rid of unfun hand rape.

>>52087015
Fuck off, retard.

>>52087288
You just sound butthurt tbqhwyf

How could anyone justify banning DS when goyf exists?

>>52087527
ban thoughtseize. Black decks have infringed on my right to build shitty delicate decks for too long

>>52087527
>>52087527
Because it's 2 mana and rarely gets to even 6/7
kys

If I just want to play solitaire should I build Storm or is there a better deck for playing with myself?

>>52087640
timefag here, shit's a blast. Storm is fun too, if you want to solitaire for an extended period go timewarp.dec

>>52087665
Sounds spicy. Care to share your list?

>>52087288
>>52087288
>>52087288
>playing longer than you
>never seen a deck as strong as death's shadow
>what is blazing shoal infect

played after modern bans confirmed, gtfo you demented geezer

>>52087310
>M-my 5 card combo? Stop the oppression REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52087194
>1 for 1s are unfair
get a load of this guy

>>52087861
Blazing shoal infect has nothing on death's shadow, it isn't nearly as consistent or resilient. It's obvious you've only been playing since the pod ban kiddo just let it go.

>>52087712
I got to take an updated pic of the list, but a decent and typical list was streamed by paul cheon a few days ago.
it's ~3 cards different from mine (-1 giga, -1 cryptic, -1snap, +1 elixir, +1 boomerang)

>>52087064
It's bad matchups is interaction, good matchups are non-Living end combo decks that are a turn or two slower.

>>52084164
>spam thoughtseize to remove removal pointed at my 1-mana egg basket
>removal suite cannot even hit TKS without a fetch
>midrange
Yeah nah.

>>52087918
>[citation needed]

wish i could've skipped higher education like you did

>>52087965
I can say the same to your post about shoal infect.

kys

>>52088148
Lauer, E. (2011) Explanation of September 2011 B&R Announcements. Retrieved 09-03-2017 from:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/explanation-september-2011-br-changes-2011-09-20-0

btfo u cunt, enjoy not having tarmogoyfs

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Give me 1(ONE) good reason why I shouldn't buy a Conspiracy: Take the Crown booster box right now?

>>52088289
Negative EV

>>52088289
Many cards in the set cant be played in Modern

>Modern General

>>52088289

You are not going to get a Leovold, anon.

>>52088713
>Tfw sold mine before the spike

Do I play jeskai or esper now?

>>52089036
neither

>>52089055
what blue deck do i play anon?

>>52089151
Splinter Twin

>>52088289
>inquisition as rare

That was enugh for me desu

>>52088289

Because you probably won't get any cards you want.

It's a different story if you want to split the cost with friends and draft it.

>>52081048

>mindslicer
>damnation
>watchwolf
>duskmantle seer

Etc the list goes on. I didn't like kev Walker that much circa Scourge but he's really good.

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>>52089325

True. Conspiracy draft is fun as fuck, as well as probably the only way to use those draft cards.

Shame my friends avoid anything that isn't in spanish, I'd buy a box of this just for drafting each month at least

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>>52079194

>FTV: Nielsen
>FTV: Guay

We'd probably get FTV: Villeneuve if they did this. Oh well.

>Want to brew a deck that isn't too expensive
>Tribal is out of the question because 4x Cavern
>Aggro is out of the question because it's boring and the format is littered with streamlined fast decks already
>Combo is boring to play with and against
>Midrange means 4x Goyf
But like, how do you brew a control deck? Traditional control feels out of the question because it's just so weak.

>>52090440
Control decks in modern are red because of Chalice and blood moon

>>52090440
You can always play BGx deck without tarmogoyf and liliana. Just needs to be build around not having that gameplan.

>>52090440

Wait for mm3 to have dropped for a month and observe prices

>>52090440
play R/G ponza

>>52090440
>not wanting to brew your own spicy combo deck
Pleb as fuck desu

>>52090790
I'd play this but I absolutely loathe Blood Moon. The card shouldn't be legal.

>>52091216
>hating based moon
Straight cuck shit desu, it's the only card in all of fucking modern that keeps these retarded mana bases in check. Seriously, if you don't respect what blood moon does then go play standard

>>52091258
If Blood Moon stopped greedy mana bases from being everywhere, why does Tron still get away with murder? Why do any non-red 3 colour decks exist? Fuck off is it a card that keeps the format in check. It's a card that can make an entire deck "viable" by just spitting in your opponent's face when they aren't ready for it. You can honestly just jam it into anything and do well.

>>52091301
but thats not true anon. there are zero tier1 decks that play blood moon in the main. tron plays green so they have naturalize effects on the board. plus it really doesn't matter if you play blood moon t3 on the draw after tron plays karn.

>>52087914
That's not what I said at all, you illiterate retard.

>>52090440
Midrange and control are boring you nu magic faggot

>>52090440
>Tribal is out of the question because 4x Cavern
>control feels out of the question because it's just so weak
Is there even a real point to running cavern then?

>>52091440

There aren't even that many creature counterspells being played, right? Mostly are instant/sorcery/noncreature

>>52091440
For the sake of completion. Hell I'd make Faeries if it wasn't so fucking expensive.

>>52091440
Honestly not really. Run maybe two of them at best unless you really need mana fixing

>>52091301
Tron doesn't get away with murder, they get away with beating midrange. Turn 2 blood moon against tron if they have no green is a win if you have a clock like storm or affinity. Just stay mad that your shitty meme 5 color humans loses to blood moon.

Tell me why I shouldn't play UR delver with 4 SSG and 3 Bloodmoon

>>52092472
Do it, there's nothing more satisfying than an opponent scooping to a blood moon.

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>>52092588
>>52092472

>>52089151
Bant Enchantress

>>52092612
I already play Tron so I'm a terrible person to begin with

When I got into modern I considered playing Kiki-Chord just to drop Magus of the Moon on people

>>52091440

chalice on 1-2.

>>52091521
Faeries doesn't run any caverns

>>52092876
Don't most tribal decks already run Vial or CoCo to get around that?

>>52093070
I hope I didn't imply too hard that I thought it did. I just meant in general.

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>>52082509
>Koth
Fuck yeah dat ultimate
>Sorin's Vengeance
Draining is so good. Funny how effective straight up Sorin Markov into Sorin's Vengeance can be too.
>Elite Inquisitor
This a pet card, you really like it against dredge, or both? He's pretty cool.
>Jace, Snapcaster
These two are so strong it's hard not to play with them whenever you have the chance.
>Enter the Infinite, Westvale Abbey
I look at these cards and don't get a boner. Don't know what that says about me.


Cards in my pic were love at first sight for me.
I think this whole collage thing is nice for discussion prompt, can even see this being its own kind of thread.


>>52082612
I enjoy this also. I am generally a sucker for value.

>>52083353
I don't enjoy this :(

I want to play a deck with 4 Thragtusk in just because he's really good against Tron. What do?

>>52093188
Ponza

>>52093188
RG BreachTitan/TitanShift?