Things That Will Never Happen at Your Table

>Oh, I guess I did deserve that smack of damage; I can still win though!

>>52069223
>a tabletop game being played

>>52069223

I'd tell you that if I was your player, anon! What systems do you run?

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Literally anything, because I can't find a game.

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>Proceeds to get self into a completely preventable situation
>Understands this and just throw a tantrum when character becomes injured/impaired/dead

I wish to believe

>>52069223

>>Hey Anon I also have a good idea
>>I also have a well made character both mechanically and roleplaywise
>>No I dont need my butt saved I can just avoid stupid decisions
>>Dont worry I read the actual rules in the book and know how my character works

>>52069266
You're too beautiful for this world

>wait, guys, maybe we can talk our way out of this

>>52069223
>What's that Anon? You're attacking my character because it's what your character would do?
>I understand completely, and I know that this is a roleplaying game after all. You are meant to play your role, and it is just a game, an unimportant way to have fun. I won't take your character attacking mine personally at all.

>>52069223
Play something other than 3.PF or NWoD... don't get me wrong, they're fun enough, but, I want to try something else damn it!

>>52069223
>attempt to have character do/say something cool
>don't get interrupted by the other PCs and the GM has the NPCs sell it well

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>I'm glad you liked the food I brought Anon. It's the least I can do since you're GMing.

>>52069364
>PvP combat
>ever acceptable

>>52070104
confirm it with the player OOC, if they say no, have your character put the issue aside until a better moment, if they just don't want PvP at all, then you leave and find a game that is okay with it.

>>52069223
Really, because now you just sound like a shit dm, famalam

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>>52069223
>Now that we're all here on time, let's begin immediately!

>"Wait a minute, why would a trap be in this room?"
>"Well, judging by the history of the place that we looked up through the local archives and libraries, and also what we learned through interviews of the locals and from canvasing the dungeon/scene/building, it would be very odd to place a trap right here."
>"I agree. Especially because it wouldn't flow very well with predicted traffic in this area..."
>"How odd...unless..."
>"This isn't where they enter through!"
>"Quick, this wall is odd! Lets search it."
>They find the secret passageway and successfully bypass the trap
>Instead of bitching at me because they walked in head first into an unexplored area with no caution whatsoever.

>>52070104
>being a pussy

>>52069223
>We just overcame that encounter! Here, let me NOT play the victory music from Final Fantasy 7

>>52070120
>>52070186
If you want to fight another player just play 40k, Dungeons and Dragons (I can't imagine you play something else) is designed to be collaborative.

>>52070245
That doesn't mean you can't get in a PvP fight on occasion, and I don't play DnD technically, anyways, Pathfinder is essentially DnD so yeah but any system can accommodate a player battle because people get into arguments and sometimes those escalate.

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>>52069223
>Wow Anon, you were such a good DM. Everyone had a fun time, and will definitely comeback.

This did happen and I eventually suffered a minor breakdown under the stress of trying to maintain my 100% Approval Rating. The only time I stopped making people happy in regards to DMing was when I stopped doing it.

>>52070270
Any TRPG in GENERAL will facilitate PvP, because all the rules are just methods of resolving conflict in a fair and even manner.

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>Hey Anon, can you DM for our all girls sleepover RPG night? We'll make an exception just for you *giggles*

>>52070181
>expecting players to use information you don't properly provide
Brought it on yourself, senpai.

>>52070138
Ahahah that's a good one

>>52070321
>I can't read: the post
The GM gives specific examples of info sources left untapped in his actual games.

>>52069223
My players ever enjoying the combat in Mutants and Masterminds 3e. They're wonderful roleplayers, and they seem to enjoy my game as a whole, but there's always something to complain about whenever initiative is rolled by at least someone in the group.

>>52070321
You're re-

>>52070345
Oh, thank you Anon.

A game with players and a GM that all want to play the same kind of game.

>>52070245
>Dungeons and Dragons is designed to be collaborative.
But so is 40k.

>>52069223
"AD&D is shit, THAC0 was a mistake. Pathfinder is much better."

>>52069304
>Theres a chink in my armor

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>>52069223
"Why yes, I would love to try diplomacy rather than smashing everything in sight into a chunky red paste"

>>52069223
> This Injured Dragon isn't attacking us despite looking right at us, how about we say ONE DAMN WORD to him before we loose 10 arrows and a fireball at him before using hounds to try and track down his loots?

Followed by:

>"Did he mumble something from between split and bloodied lips while collapsing?"
>"Dunno, let me check with my greataxe, maybe he said there's loots in his skull."
>"Right-o, Barbaranon, whatever he was saying it was probably a ruse. My crap meta knowledge says these scaly assholes are always teh evilz."

>>52069223
>Now that our loyal Forever-DM has expressed his boredom with, and distaste for, PF why don't we give at least one of our twice weekly games over to something he wants to run rather than pressing the PF or nothing ultimatum yet again?

>they never detect your magical realm

>>52069223
>I have another great character concept that isn't my 11th Wizard with a thirst for magical knowledge in a row!

>I have another great character concept that isn't my 14th Elf with a Tiger animal companion in a row!

>I have another great character concept that isn't my 7th Extra-Edgy Rogue exiled form the Assassins Guild for loving the moment of the kill too much in a row!

>>52072296
>Elf with a Tiger animal companion
Man, fuck Warcraft.

>>52069261
this one

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>>52070308

Thank God this will never happen, that sounds terrifying.

>Hey anon this time we haven't brought a set of pre rolled shit on our character's sheets because we finally understood that we shouldn't do that after you burned our old character sheets multiple times
They never fucking learn

>>52072370
I assume you told them first, before the burnings?

4th consecutive session of a campaign.

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>>52069223
>Hey, anon, I have chosen to play something other than chaotic neutral this time. I kinda got bored of acting like a sociopath on a power trip.

>Hey, anon, I have made a nice backstory with well-defined goals that you can incorporate into your campaign. No empty sheets this time! I know what kind of character I want to play.

>>52072307
I'd blame Drizzt instead of Warcraft for that trope.

>>52070104
How else am I supposed to show everyone at the table that I'm better than them?

>>52070345
>>52070350
>>52070181
Expecting the players to do library research and interview locals every time they want to go into a dungeon is a bit much to ask, don't you think?

>>52072224
One of the biggest reasons I play mostly with custom-made monsters is to avoid the unfun experience of players basing how they react to encounters off of meta knowledge.

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>>52070308

What >>52072316 said

My tism is too strong for that shit

>>52072296
I have never met anyone who has played any of these characters. I've met a dwarf with a panther companion. I've met a wizard who's basically an envoy of a somewhat tyrannical government. I've met a deceptive rogue pretending to be an obedient slave while secretly pulling strings and manipulating others behind the scenes.

>>52073557
You don't talk to the NPCs your having drinks with when you first reach a town? You don't have a fucking nerd that visits libraries at every opportunity?
You don't even have your thief canvas the area before you go in?

>>52070308
That actually happened - if you count Uno as a traditional game.

Unfortunately for me I did a wee bit of drugs and just was too fucked up to do anything.

>>52073594
Well, my most recent campaign takes place in the underdark, so the last time we were in a settlement we had very little freedom, got caught up in a deadly conspiracy, and barely escaped with our lives.

>>52073606
So, just like the surface, only under. Got it.

>>52073660
fucking rekt

>>52073578
>>52072224
If you're using a setting with established monsters, it's not meta-gaming for a player to pull out a torch and oil whenever a troll walks in from the forest, otherwise it'd be metagaming to say that goblins are little green men or that oozes are immune to grappling.

Nobody likes going through the tutorial when they already know how to play the game and nobody wants to pretend to be retarded and waste turns jumping through hoops just because they don't want to deal with the GM accusing them of meta-gaming.

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>>52070301
>Run a mystery campaign
>The first few sessions are highly received and they love the classic mysteries and solving them
>As the campaign goes on and is steered by the players' choices, they move away from detective work and my encounters/"mysteries" get progressively weaker as I run out of inspiration
It's the sensation of being aboard a sinking ship and being the only one to realize it yet

>>52070270
we have an in setting solution to this: personal duels are super common, with laws and things and requiring the consent of bith parties and a healer at hand. Deaths are frowned upon, and you forfeit any profit or prize from the duel, but they are uncommon and nit considered a crime if all other rules are observed.

>>52070270
>Pathfinder

of COURSE

>>52070308
> Haha my backstory is actually based off steven universe
> Celeste wouldn't take that attitude from the guard. I'll attack.
> Did you hear the way Zephyr said "good job" after that dungeon? What was that all about?
> You don't know I'm a vampire yet!
> What? Anon you said Saphire was going to be the only vampire in the group!

I did this with the worst kind of group, but never again regardless

>>52073819
Shift it into another kind of game. Add more combat, change locations, whatever. It needs something fresh. What system are you using?

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>>52074299
D&D 5e. I wanted to run Eberron and the players opted for an Inquisitve Agency based game.
I'm never making the same mistake again, and the players have basically given up on the agency and gone off to be a generic adventuring party anyways.
One player was going to a university half a state away, so their character exited the campaign under the premise that they had stolen and stashed something valuable from the House they worked under and had to go on the lam again because their pursuers caught up. I thought it'd be a fine idea for the other players to be hired to track down their own fleeing friend and confront them in time for Christmas, when the player would be in town. They dallied and missed every clue and method to track them down without NPC aid, and only just got to catch up with them now over spring break. But the party's all decided to say bollocks to the reward or negotiating with the new group that has appeared offering to negotiate for the stolen artifact and wants to run across the countryside with the player who is about to be out of town. Good news: Lots of new locales and chance for adventure. Bad news: we're dealing with the stress of whether we're going to wire them in or put the campaign on hiatus til summer.

>>52070308
I'd get slightly drunk and play it completely straight and end up making them all mad at me because I slowly get them picked off one by one.

>>52069223
that's... really sad.

keep trying, though. make a note of good players that gel well with you, until you've curated a selection, then try to set up something.

>>52073438
W-we will play next time for sure

>>52074396
I've had a group with someone on skype before - it was awful at first but when we moved where we were playing to a place with a decent PC with loud speakers and fast internet it was fine.

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>>52069223
>I know exactly what number to add to this roll, so I will henceforth make this roll and immediately inform the GM of the total!

>>52071954
>tfw get told off by a party member for doing this
The dm made it talk so fuckin talk to it

>Let's all make our characters together so we can have a cohesive group that doesn't completely despise each other.
Other than that they're a pretty good group.

>>52069223
Sounds like you have a problem with GMing. It can be actual work to improve, and sounds like you either need that or new not asshole friends to run for

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>>52075973

>>52069223
>That was a good session man, I liked the part where you ( ), and thought that other part was boring.
I get that they think it's nice to be like some personal hugbox but I need actual feedback too, fuck.

>>52069223
>Hey Anon can we try a system other than 5e?
I just wanna run a cool cyberpunk campaign

>>52077951
Similar issue. My response was just to use the Modern Magic UA and a LOT of homebrew. Changed a lot, but they still played it without realising any difference cause I said it was still 5e and there was a d20.

>Hey Anon, we decided to just use paper sheets, dice and books instead of literally playing LoL while we wait turns to attack things
>Hey Anon, why dont you play a character instead of DMing
>Hey Anon, sorry we drank your half of your bar, we brought our own snacks and drinks this week instead
>Hey Anon, mind if we play something besides 4e fighter, wizard and rogue?

I felt a tear form typing this.

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>We really should do some training and research before we challenge that Pokemon gym leader
>I'm happy you threw that haymaker. I did not expect using lava as a gym floor
>I'm not upset that the gym is providing an appropriate challenge for us.
>I'm glad my Pokemon can use their abilities in New and interesting ways I haven't thought of before
>I'm so happy we won by the skin of our teeth! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time!

Why did I agree to this in the first place?

>>52069223
>Hey, let's not try to seduce every female in sight.

>>>52073557
That's what you get for carelessly going into a fucking dungeon full of things that can and want to kill you. It's like Vietnam, only ten times worse.

>>52078264
Drop them. Seriously. Use an excuse or just tell them to fuck off. It won't get better.

>Maybe we shouldn't shoot every slightly suspicious person we see

>>52070005
>Play something other than 3.PF
>Not because you dislike it/think it's bad, but because you've just played it so much

Fair enough, anon. May you find a 5e, Star Wars FFG, 40k FFG, or MASKs game that scratches that itch for something different.

>>52069223
>All the players actually show up on time
>All the players stay in the game
>No one's there to just shoot the shit
>Get through an entire adventure path as a party, both IC and OOC

>>52078264
>Hey Anon, we decided to just use paper sheets, dice and books instead of literally playing LoL while we wait turns to attack things

If your group seriously does this, they're complete cunts. It's not like you can even pause LoL or anything, so they'll be rushing their turns, barely listening... fucking hell.

>>52069223
>we're gonna play single class characters and not pick a bunch of min maxxing shit and make every encounter fucking pointless because we either do a million damage on the first turn or we just abuse intimidate/diplomacy
>we're not going to get upset when there are traps in the game because we understand that traps are a thing in this gameworld
>were not going to be passive agressive cunts but still demand you keep running the game for us because we're entitled shits.

>>52071954
Don't blame your players for it if you're using D&D. Trying anything other than brute force is stacked against them because of the rules.

>>52069223
Your players don't thank you for being the DM? damn they are assholes

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>>52069223
>Here is my character anon! I have made them using the supplements you allowed and is a context relative character that has a very good reason to get involved in the story you told me you want to run.
>Oh man, we fucked up. We should consider our next option carefully and not act violent in a situation that we can get maimed.
>Man, we fucked up again. It's okay anon, it's not your fault we failed to prepare adequately for this situation.
>Since you're running the game seriously, I'll play a character that is semi-serious at least!

GMing is a task only the soulless can endure.

>>52074289
Storytime? Sounds like a fascinatingly bad trainwreck.

>>52077533
That's the ideal.

>>52078264
>Playing a fucking MOBA during battle, of all things
I'd understand a turn based mobile game you can put away whenever but this shit? Fucking unacceptable. And not bringing snacks when you drink all your DM's stuff is awful etiquette. Get a better group anon, you don't deserve this.

>hey anon, thanks again for DMming. If you ever need someone to talk to we're here for you. We know you've been pretty depressed lately so we're gonna stop playing videogames and powergaming at this game so we can focus on telling a good story rather than just killing everything in sight. We just want to let you know we're here for you man, and we appreciate everything you do for us. Thank you.

Post ending in 72 decides how I kill myself.

>>52078264
Not playing ttrpg its better than playing with a shitty group

>>52079293
>>Here is my character anon! I have made them using the supplements you allowed and is a context relative character that has a very good reason to get involved in the story you told me you want to run.

AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH

I had one play autistically argue with me for several days to allow an expansion book that allowed him to put a torch bracket on his shield, and wouldn't accept me just allowing him to do that without needing to put a whole other book in there, just for him.

All I wanted to do was run a base pathfinder game, without having to track down two dozen books and work out what's balanced to use, because new GM.

>>52070088
Before my last session a player promised to bring pizza. They proceeded to bring a 2 hour old (now cold) Walmart pizza and cookie cake with the nastiest fucking icing ever.

>>52079366
no one cares about you enough to try and get that, anon

anyway, don't do it. sounds like you, too, could use a better group

>>52079366
Don't do it, get help instead.

>I can GM, and this time I haven't fallen for the GMing memes I've read everywhere and actually prepared to run something since it actually takes experience to run a game by the seat of your pants!
Why does everyone think they can just wing whole campaigns on their first try GMing? I've literally never seen any of my friends do it well. You need experience, and you don't ever get experience if you never run a planned game. You just make your players sit around and do nothing for 4 sessions before the game finally dies. EVEN WHEN I TRY TO DRIVE THE PLOT. LET ME BITE YOUR HOOKS, PUT ME ON THE FUCKING CHOOCHOO TRAIN TO PLOT-VILLE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING

>>52079366
How about you ditch the dickheads and find a group that doesn't make you miserable? Speaking from experience, it helps loads.

>>52079366
Don't

>>52079778
I've seen a lot of shitters on this board suggest to new GMs to not prepare anything, using player agency as the excuse. It's depressing.

>>52079366
Drop them. Hell, drop everything, spend some time doing what you like the most and relaxing. Your other activites may suffer, but they would suffer anyway. Find another group if you want. On that matter, try not to play D&D during this time, it attracts that kind of shits.

In the end, your life will improve. Or at least you can start from a relatively clean sheet.

Alternatively, exit bag or firearms. I think Camus was right and it's everyone's own choice.

>>52079919
Yeah, me too. At least there are sane people on the board

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>>52069223
I know that feel OP im eternal dm of 2 groups. one 3.5 group for nearly 2 years weekly and have never gotten any praise. I dont expect any thanks or free food but its gets hard putting so much time into something knowing your players just take it for granted. When i got to be a player a few years ago i thought it was normal to buy food for everyone and show interest in the dm's work :*(

> first game session starts
> All characters have been made and GM approved yesterday

>>52070120
This. There's nothing wrong with PvP in RPGs as long as the players agree, understand that going in, and are mature enough to separate ic from ooc.

>>52070308
>CINDERELLA: THE RPG

>Yeah, I was the most dangerous player at the table. I mean, you know my deck and you could see my boardstate, so you were right to counter that spell.

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>>52069261
>>52072313
It hurts.

>>52073733
The way I see it, if it's common knowledge in real life it's most likely common knowledge in-universe as well. If you lead a life of adventure you've probably heard someone mention that trolls are weak to fire at some point in your life.

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>lets play a more narrative focus wargame rather than the usual torunament style games

>>52079778
>>52079919
>tfw stop sign captcha
The best advice I've seen so far was to pick a module and stick to it, tell the players "nah, sorry, can't do that" when it's outside your ability or too derail-y, restrict the characters to pregens, and end the game permanently whenever appropriate because you NEVER LET A FIRST-ADVENTURE-EVER BECOME A CAMPAIGN.
Works like a charm.

>>52079366
die in a gunfight with the cops or some hoods

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>>52069223
>You overplayed your hand, Anon, I completely saw that twist coming.

>>52079366
Razorwire noose and hands glued to the side of your head. Suicide note just says "too brutal for this world"

>>52079368
>>52079363
>>52079213
>>52078465
I havnt had a game since a little after college. Hard to meet new gamers when you have a job and a family

>>52073557

Shit like this is Shadowrun 101. Shame DnD players are such plebs.

>>52070270
>3.PF fantard advocating PvP with a "it's what my character would do" justification

Yep, seems legit.

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>Why yes, anon, I do remember my backstory and would behave accordingly.

>>52080561
This is pretty much the way it MTG works with my group. Multiplayer is a lot of fun, and had more to do with how well you can politic, than how strong your deck is.

>>52080745
>The best advice I've seen so far was to pick a module and stick to it,
This. It's a great way to learn the skills needed to gm.

>>52079366
Meme overdose

>>52079366
don't

>>52073594
9 times out of 10 you will only find an unprepared GM who gets pissy that you're trying to sidestep the challenges he built into his dungeon. If you want the players to know it's an option, lay it out on the table.

>>52082273
This. The players need to be made aware that this stuff is available beforehand. They need to know it's that kind of campaign.

>>52080637
How many people in forgotten realms do you think actually even know what a beholder is?>>52073733

>>52082408
Think about it like this, the average person may not know how to sage a post on 4chan but the average user ITT would be able to tell you what to do if it came down to it.

Adventurers, even level 1's, are people who have done enough bullshit to earn a level in a class, rather than just being a random peasant slinging onions at the local hooligans. Nobody will be able to tell you how and when they learned how to sage a post but at the end of the day, how they learned to sage is irrelevant and less important than whether or not they know how to use that knowledge in practice.

If you don't want people to pull out torches vs. trolls then stop throwing trolls at them, don't call them trolls outright and use descriptions, or just stop being a bitch and let the player use his knowledge to make a tactically sound decision based on the fact that he's playing an adventurer who would make it their business to know what a troll or a beholder is.

My players actually being on time. The misery of times in other country's happening.

Being able to drink and questioned about a jack ass character.

>>52073497
>Completely new to roleplaying
>Tossed into a game with experienced powergamers
>Completely unfamiliar with a basically alien setting
>Want to be involved, but either make horrific faux pas decisions, or else just be verbally walked all over by other players
>Basically end up sitting quietly, only getting involved when it's my turn to hit something
>No idea what my character's motives would be, let alone what anyone else is trying to do
>Combat goes "Initiative roll! Caster got the highest result again! (Horrible void rape) Combat finished!"
>Political intrigue and player killing to insane degrees
>Never return

And that was my experience with Legend of the 5 Rings.

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>>52070088
>Time for lunch break on a long session day with the full extended group of me and 6 players
>Everyone wants to get pizza
>I work at a pizza place and eat it nearly every day of the week, but whatever
>Group has shit taste in pizza; one member says extra cheese makes them sick so one pie is just plain pepperoni, the two fuckdudes just get pepperoni and shredded steak (which is a tiny portion and totally overwritten by the pepperoni anyways), last one is a pan with extra cheese but nobody else wants an additional kind of extra cheese despite it being the same price
>Add some garlic bites because I can tell I'm gonna need the extra bread, then I go around and ask everyone if they'd like sauce since I'm getting something to help choke down the crust with
>Order comes to $30, I throw in 10 because I added the extra stuff and want to make sure my drivers get properly tipped
>Food arrives, I grab a slice of the two not entirely basic ones and some bites
>Guy who wanted the spicy mango sauce goes "Oh look there's garlic in here" and yoinks the one I got for myself
>By the time I finish both of those pizzas are gone and only 3 slices have been taken out of the pepperoni despite 2 people besides cheese-intolerant wanting it
Why did I have to get friends with shitty food tastes and habits

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>>52079366
Hospital bed surrounded by family and friends at the grand age of 91, having lived a full and rich life.

>Don't worry guys, I've memorized my role in the plan so you can count on me for back up. Treasure can wait.

>>52078373
what system?

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>>52069223
Hey Anon, wanted you to know that despite watching a shonen anime over the weekend I've decided not to shamelessly and entirely base my new character on it. Instead I've decided to make a character consistent with the plot and world described to me!

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>Hey anon, I see you've got your character sheet ready and so does everyone else, let's get started!

I just want a game, a game I don't have to pay for.

>>52084990
>Having just recovered from a serious illness, Anon is surrounded by his friends and family. His great grand-daughter asks if he'll go to the zoo with her.
>Anon chuckles, pulls out a gun, and puts a bullet in his brain.

>>52079366
Old age/killed in an accident like something out of a Greek myth (e.g. killed by a javelin that his grandson threw during the Olympics)

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>Hey, we should pick up the pace and not take take 10 minutes to write short responses. Anon here can't stay up all night
>Oh boy, some big challenge just presented itself to us. We shouldn't just give up though!
>RP is great and all, but let's actually get out into the world and do something.

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>>52075973
I'm sorry I'm bad at basic math

>>52079366
Don't
And let me play with you

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>>52079366
Helium helmet, friend.


Check my numbers

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>>52086167
>playing text-based games

legit feel sorry 4 u

>>52079366
Drive your car into a lake / ocean.

>>52082520
There is absolutely nothing special in being a level 1 character, no matter how hard you try to paint it as such. Those guys die to a stiff breeze and can't accomplish much of anything.

>>52087315
Compared to peasants who have shittier health, no chance to hit, proficiency in A weapon, and no access to anything that could be useful like magic or rage or any other class ability, they're pretty fucking special, even if the world around them eats them for breakfast.

It's like comparing a dude in a junior varsity team to a dude whose team has won gold in the olympics, even if they aren't impressive by comparison, their skills are still pretty fucking relevant in comparison to the average person.

>>52079366
Old age.

>>52087340
>have shittier health
d6 to a fighter's d10. Level 1, both die to a stiff breeze unless huge con mods are at play.
>no chance to hit
+0 BAB instead of a fighter's +1.
>proficiency in A weapon
Fair enough.
>and no access to anything that could be useful like magic or rage or any other class ability
So exactly like the fighter, but with one less feat that you can hardly spend anything useful on at level 1 anyway. Level 1 wizard is an outlier on the power ranking, mainly due to Sleep and Color Spray, but then again, casters are an outlier all game long.

>It's like comparing a dude in a junior varsity team to a dude whose team has won gold in the olympics
No, it's not anywhere near this.

>>52087473
>d6 to a fighter's d10. Level 1, both die to a stiff breeze unless huge con mods are at play.
At first level (assuming 5e), the Fighter would start off with 10+CON right off the bat due to being a 1st level Fighter.
>+0 BAB instead of a fighter's +1.
Which is no chance to hit, in a game where every point of attack is vital for hitting anything.
>So exactly like the fighter, but with one less feat that you can hardly spend anything useful on at level 1 anyway.
In 5e, Fighters start off with a fighting style and second wind, while peasants do not.
>No, it's not anywhere near this.
How is it not?

>>52087523
>assuming 5e
There's no commoner class in 5e. Commoners are basically a type of creature in there, like a goblin or something, with predefined stats.

>>52087549
How does that change anything though? Comparing a Peasant to a level 1 anything is still a pretty noticeable gap in power regardless of whether they're a class or not.

>>52087622
A level 1 commoner and a level 1 fighter aren't that different. The difference gets more pronounced later on even with the martial classes, but level 1s are just pathetic. It doesn't work with a D&D 5e comparison because it's impossible to compare the level 1 classes of commoner and fighter since there is no commoner class.

>>52087549
What's funny is that commoners are CR 0 creatures, while goblins are CR 1/4 creatures. Which means that a group of commoners would have to work together just to take out a single goblin and that's even assuming the little bastard isn't already shooting at them in a surprise round.
>>52087693
>A level 1 commoner and a level 1 fighter aren't that different.
Maybe if you've never read the PHB, sure, they're totally similar I guess.
>It doesn't work with a D&D 5e comparison because it's impossible to compare
If you took a level 1 Fighter and a level 1 commoner and threw them into combat with them having 10's in every stat, the Fighter would still win since he'd have more health, better weapons, better armor, and class features that'd allow him to gain a fighting style and regain 1d10 HP. Whether or not it has class levels is irrelavant since the original argument was how powerful a level 1 PC is in comparison to NPC peasants in the first place.

>>52087733
>level 1 commoner
There is no level 1 commoner. There's just the commoner, with no class levels or the possibility of having them, just like there's a dire rat with no class levels, or a balrog with no class levels. They're just different from the class system the players use, that's why this doesn't work in 5e.

>>52087765
>There is no level 1 commoner.
I meant to just say "commoner" but forget it, I'm tired. Besides, you're the one who first mentioned "level 1 commoner" in the first place so whatever, let's move on.
>They're just different from the class system the players use, that's why this doesn't work in 5e.
If we're judging the commoner vs. a level 1 character, regardless of class, the level 1 is always going to be vastly superior to the commoner no matter what. Besides, making a commoner class would be a waste of time because commoners are, by definition, shit that is so weak that even goblins are a threat to them.

Meanwhile, a Fighter can handily defeat a goblin or two without breaking a sweat.

>>52069223
>The party's rogue armed with daggers stands beside me to take advantage of my protection
>When ambushed or flanked from multiple sides, our team evenly divides our tank heroes to guard the various fronts
>"While this lone elf may act very rude towards us, pehaps we have more to gain by listening to him rather than spreading his entrails across the road"
>Our fighter uses his action surge for a hit die rather than assuming one more hit should kill this boss
That last one I am very guilty of.

Has anyone tried tabletop simulator for their combat layout? Is it user friendly?

>>52079366
on top of a building in a densely populated area

>>52079366
doing a flip