/srg/ - Shadowrun General

If your runner had 100.000 nuyen to spend only on things that aren't weapons and don't give mechanical bonuses, what would they spend it on?
Drugs and skillsofts are fine if they're meant for recreational use and not on a run, and weapons are fine if they're not intended to be used but only collected.

>>52064249
Invest it in the stock market.
Put it in a secure fund for when I need to go under the radar for a long time.
Invest it in community projects in my neighborhood.

>>52064152
>Man, chummer.

Isn't that redundant? Like, "Man, buddy."

>>52064335
I probably didn't phrase the question clearly enough, but it's definitely going to become just "invest it in X" or "stash it away in Y for when Z happens" if saving is included.
Assume that the money is given by a corp that wants to make the runners feel spoiled while still keeping the incentive for the real payment. It has to be spent within a span of a few days, what's bought with it needs to be obtainable within city limits, and the corporation will know about anything potentially run-relevant you use it for, so private things are safer.
I might be narrowing down the criteria a bit, but there are always people who see their characters as collections of dots and gear, and whose characters' hobbies are "the skills they have the most points in".
>>52064395
It's redundant, but that doesn't stop stoned people from saying "dudebro".

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>>52064424
Ah in this case, then they'd probably spend it all on trids, books (the paper kind), art and a lot of nice clothes and makeup. The occassional recreational drug and fine alcohol.

Didn't have all this fine things in the ghetto.

>>52064480
Who is this semen demon?

>>52064424
100k, huh?

A dickload of hookers sent to my Johnson's place of work for a single hour. According to my estimates, thats...5000 hookers at once, on 5e.

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>>52064708
It's cyberpunk art by MACIEJ KUCIARA, check out his artstation, there's a boatload of really cool cyberpunk chicks. He's also one of the concept artists hired for the GiTS movie

Who do I have to kill to be the street samurai in a group with a free spirit, an AI, and one more thing with no physical body that I can't think of right now?
It would be hilarious.

>Uber tanky street sam that dresses/acts like a stereotypical mage to draw fire

Is this a viable character concept?

>>52065294
That's not a character concept. That's a strategy.

>>52065294
>shadowrun
>uber tanky

>>52065294
sure
put some pyrotech in there to really get "flashy git" across, dress in some armored robes and a pointy hat

Group is trying to figure out what our next campaign will be, a few players mentioned shadowrun, but I have no real experience or knowledge of the system, just some basic setting stuff. Anyone care to sell me on the it? And how well does the system do with non-combat oriented campaigns?

>>52065488
In theory, I think SR would work okay for non-combat. You'd just have to orientate it as more of a heist-style game, which shouldn't be too hard.

>>52065488
It has a detailed and robust system for computer systems and internet searching and whatnot.

The surveilance mechanics have a decent amount of depth to them, and legwork is a VERY big part of the game.

Strictly speaking, in non-PM games, combat is meant to be a last resort, and avoiding it is generally good practice.

However, it has a good system for it, and it's lethal as hell.

>>52065529
>>52065557
Cool

One final question. I can't imagine this is difficult to do, but am wondering if there is enough canon information to run a game where players work officially for a corporation. Not as shadowrunners, but as 'upstanding' citizens. Security, fixers, wetworkers, etc. I guess they would hire just as many runners as any illegal organisation, but is there information available as to how someone would climb the actual corporate ladder?

>>52065774
Yep, read through Run Faster.

>>52065800
Awesome, thanks

You know shadowrun is wonderful thing
You go into section that you haven't played before and wonder what is this bullshit
Because stunbolt+reagents is damage you have no way of dodging or resisting
Mages are cunts

>>52066570
It's really your own fault for trying to go up against the mage master-race.
I hope you've learned your place.

>>52066607
>mage supremacy is no longer contained to the World of Darkness
No memes about knots, please.

>>52066570
>Because stunbolt+reagents is damage you have no way of dodging or resisting
Kill something / scare someone - raise the background count.

Head to a low income tenement building to find an existing background count.

Get infected to gain Magical Guard.

Learn how to call spirits with mundane-accessible ritual spells and haggle for counterspelling protection.

Use physical cover, smoke, any physical living entity, etc to make targeting you difficult.

Use drones.

Et cetera. If you can't find a way to make life difficult for mages, then you're just not trying.

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>>52066607
Mundanes these days, amirite?

>>52066699
Honestly, the best one is heavy cover. A mage that takes a penalty to see you, takes a penalty to cast on you. Even better, a mage that can't see you is one that can't cast (most) spells on you.

And what spells they can cast on you are almost all either touch ranged or alchemy based traps.

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( Reposting since last thread closed. )

Two questions.

First:

> Writing campaign.
> Players start out taking a job from Vory.
> Vory thinks they're trustworthy after first job, sends them to fake an attempt on up-and-coming rapper to increase publicity.
>If that goes well, players will be sent to rescue a girl from a Bunraku parlor and fuck up said parlor in process.
> If all has gone well up to this point, they will get sent on the big mission: 100,000 nuyen to go to the UniOil facility, kill three people, and steal data from an offline host.

As it stands, this sequence of missions seems alright. It introduces a new group of players to the game fairly well, starting with an easy, low-paying job, then gradually getting more difficult, yet more rewarding.

By the time they finish the UniOil run, they'll have a big chunk of change, and a good amount of karma. They won't be considered new runners anymore, so the jobs from here on out will be genuinely tough and high-stakes, allowing me to take the kid gloves off.

What this sequence of missions DOESN'T do is provide an interesting narrative conflict. It's all mechanical challenges here.

What can I do to spice things up in this regard? I was dabbling with an internal rivalry in the Vory, but the missions themselves lack the controversy needed to represent an internal power struggle.

I dabbled with reminding the players that if they get too cozy with the Vory, the other syndicates won't want to work with them, but somehow I doubt the other syndicates of Seattle would care about the Vory outsourcing their work to runners.

I dabbled with UniOil attempting to make a counter-offer to the players during the last run. But, I somehow think that this wouldn't even be a moral dilemma to the players. This being Shadowrun, the players are more likely to think of it as a logic problem than a moral one.

What do?

>>52066941
Another member's got a legitimate hit out on the rapper.

Another one, unrelated to the first, sold the girl to the Bunraku parlor and wants to keep her there because reasons.

Both of them have their own teams dispatched to bump off the same trio as the PCs, turning it into a race.

>>52066852
With zero preparation and area knowledge, 100% cover is your best option, yes.

>Have the deckers cyberdeck icon in sight before he is even aware I'm a threat
Whats the best thing for me to do here? MARK, format and reboot?

>>52067568
That's good. If you can catch 'em in VR, then you might want to hammer with a Data Spike.

Or if you can get them into VR because you have/are a Technomancer, then definitely try and fry them and get the deck.

Just have a good hardware pool and some free Edge to make sure you don't fail. It's either an upgrade or a good sales piece.

>>52064038

Closest thing was a stupidly high circle spell for ED Wizards that was used in one of the SR Legends books. And that was basically just the psychomancy metamagic as a spell.

Running my game in the year 62, not long before the second crash. Any tips in regards to how tech works? Obviously the Matrix isn't wireless, but what else?

>get insulted walking down a street
>one thing leads to another
>a building collapses because of something you did with 77 casualties

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Serious question /srg/

How outrageous would it be in the 2070's to go around wearing a transparent skirt and no panties?

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>>52068432
No need- skirt and panties with complementary refractive indices are sold as a set, causing the latter to literally disappear beneath the former.

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>>52068432
I would recommend reading up on the previous thread >>52058297 >>52057563
Basically, if you keep true to the decadency of a cyberpunk dystopia, it's not much. It's a world where you are a chip away from having any fetish you want and deriving true pleasure from it. Where you don't even need someone else to fill your fetishes since you can just plug your brain into porn. Clothes are to show off who you are, and while you will get bad looks depending on where you are, it's just bad taste in clothing, not really public indecency.

>>52068529
Unless you're working at a corp, in which case it's more about conformity and projecting an image of professionalism than covering up.

>>52068529
>>52068480
Thanks guys.

My GM can't draw for shit so he entrusted me with designing the appearance of his team of DMPCs in exchange for a few extra karma.

Unlucky for him, I plan on packing each of his characters (mostly girls) with little visual surprises to spice things up.

If any of you guys has ideas of cyberpunk trends or accessories that would be fun to use, I'm definitely open to suggestions

>>52068690

Living hair. Bio implant that causes hair to move of its own accord, can be programmed with different sorts of moods or conditioned responses.

>>52068673
I agree, but I doubt models/actors/fashion workers would fit be allowed to not look outlandish. It's their duty to show off the "quirky" side of the corps, in a totally safe and controlled manner.

The backstory for a PC-turned-NPC-because-im-forever-gm was a ex-model for Evo, running away after realizing every single person in her life (from her friends to her novacoke dealer) was chosen and hired by her manager, and realizing her entire life was and will be curated from the time she wakes up to the instant she will die.

>>52068758
Hit up attitude. It's a great book - SOTA2063/4, too - for 'culture'.

>>52068690
Synthetic limbs that are marred from bullet scrapes/shrapnel, revealing the metallic core of the otherwise human looking limb.

>>52067010

The catch for that run was that the Vory wanted to make the rapper seem controversial by staging a hit, but the rapper actually -was- controversial, and a runner team had already been hired by Humanis. The players would need to quietly dispatch the assassins, or otherwise prevent them from actually killing the rapper. But the idea that it was an inside job all along sounds pretty cool too.

The second one sounds cool. The Vory who sold her there hears there's a team being organised to rescue her, and so he gives the Yaks a heads-up, which means they're ready for the PCs.

And that sounds pretty cool too. An already tough run is made even more so by a race against the clock. But that could also lead to the players just letting the NPCs doing all the work for them, then mopping them up. Better for the Vory who sent the rival teams to show up and ambush the players once they're out of the facility, and demand the data. Or just ambush them.

>>52068076
Read SR3.

>>52068432
>How outrageous would it be in the 2070's to go around wearing a transparent skirt and no panties?
There's a clothing line just for it.

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>>52068432

Dammit Aqua, this was not the fantasy world I wanted!

>>52069351

Which clothing line?

>>52069403
Second Skin.

>>52069403
InTheirFace - The clothing line for you, the hip counterculture youth of todaY! Made by other hip, counter culture youths, for hip, counter culture youths.

Owned by Aztechnology.

>>52069423

Second skin is an individual item, not a clothing line.

>>52069425

Is that really a thing? Its hilarious either way, but if it is in a book somewhere I'd love to know which.

>>52069497
Made straight from whole cloth, sorry. If you want, I think I recommended attitude to someone earlier. The whole book is "How you can use corporate products to get back at corporate people".

>>52069497
Fuck off.

>This is a sexy, sick, twisted version of body armor. Each piece of the Second Skin line is custom tailored for the user

>>52069535

Dude, that does not mean what you seem to think it means, every single 'Second Skin' is a full body unitard, no exceptions, the passage about tailoring is saying its made to size, not that it is custom designed.

Now I'm not saying that clothing to the effect of what you're talking about isnt possible, it quite clearly is, but Second Skin is not that, it is a singular item rather than a fashion line.

>>52069592
>Second Skin line

>>52069611
Stop. Do not let this thread become Trash and Whores mark II. This may be the the most pedantic, semantics driven dispute I've ever seen.

>>52069535
>>52069592
>>52069611
It should be phrased as "Each piece FROM the Second Skin line", as pieces of fashion lines are the entire outfit. Piece as in art piece, not piece as in modular component.

>>52069647
You seem to think these threads are ever not a waiting powder keg of pointlessly pedantic, semantics-driven, vitriolic arguments.

In any case, as written there are full-body unitards and possibly string bikinis.

>>52069699
The bikinis are also unitards. It's just that in that bit of fluff text, the unitard was displaying the skin with a string bikini on it. Then it was not displaying the string bikini.

I imagine the 2 capacity is so you can get trodes installed, despite not covering the head.

>>52069699
>>52069720
In the face of ambiguous text, you've both already decided your answer is correct, and will fight to the end of any conversation to ensure everyone else agrees - or at least that no one else wants to put up with your shit by replying.

>>52069699
Oh I know this, I'm just trying to dissuade those two from lighting the fuse.

>>52069884
I'm actually an entirely different person replying to the 'possible' string bikini comment, but if you want to be a tosspot and assume bad faith, sure, go for it.

>>52069915
Didn't need your permission to start, and I sure don't need it to continue believing vs the guy slinging cheap insults.

>>52069964
Sure thing, mate. Good luck with that.

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>>52069977

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>>52070041
>eat
Don't mind if I do

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>>52070041
>>52070075

>>52070084
Too bad I don't know where to find quality shadowrun R34

Those elven chicks always strike my fancy

>>52070112
Well, those ones are from http://madebyflou.tumblr.com.

>>52070157
You just made my night, kind sir

>>52070041
>>52070084
YET NO ORK TIDDIES!

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>>52070349
>>52070388
Wait fuck that's a Troll my bad

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>>52070401
>>52070388

>>52070388
old and not in a colorful .gif form
>also thats a troll mang

>>52070409
She's a looker, anon

>>52070401
Never apologise for thicc troll women.

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>>52070415
Yeah I fucked up and misremembered the request as being for Trolls. Anyway here's another Troll because she's adorable.

>>52070349
Can anyone even dispute that orks are by far the lewdest race in Shadowrun?

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>>52070349
>>52070401

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>>52070440
yes...yesssss this thread amuses me.

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>>52070468

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>>52070509
I could have sworn I had more cute Orks. This'll be the last one, apparently. Have another Chica.

>>52070509
>>52070504
>>52070490
>>52070485
>>52070468
>>52070547

surely there is more. I know shadowrun is low on the drawanons totem pole, but there has to be more.

>>52070547
Do you have cute dwarfs or more trolls?

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>>52070580

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>>52070580
The cutest of them all

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>>52070597

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>>52070605
In ascending order of cuteness.

>>52070602
Wait shit fuck that's an Ork god damn it

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>>52070580
>>52070616
Here's a dwarf lady from a semi-recent drawthread. I'm pretty lacking in short cuties, sadly.

>>52070613
Technically speaking, he's the most attractive dwarf in existence.

>>52070638
Thanks chummer.

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>>52070547

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>>52065316
>Not having 53 soak dice.
Fraggin' casuals.

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>>52070388
Can we all at least agree trolls are the best?

>>52070793

10/10 would make litter with and lovingly support household.

>>52070826
no

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>>52070442
No.

>>52070547
>>52070509
>>52070490
>>52070793
>>52070771
>ork posers
... even once.

>>52070895
>and other non-problems
heh

>AI fuckery
watching the movie "Her". What are the Pros and Cons of having an AI living in your commlink?

>>52071568
>Pros
Waifu material
Best Secretary
Pocket Hacker

>Cons
AI rules
She technically can't reset her OS so unless you can fix her, she will kill herself and the comlink
Another reason to kidnap your character

>>52071623
>She technically can't reset her OS so unless you can fix her, she will kill herself and the comlink
Mate. Let it go already.

>They must fnd a device to load onto then reboot in order to reset their Overwatch Score.
Load onto device.
Reboot.
Non-problem fucking over.

>>52071568
The big pro is that you'll never be alone again. The big con is that you'll never be left alone again.

>>52071623
>waifu
keep it platonic
>best secretary
Many problems can come from an AI having access to allll my character's stuff
>pocket hacker
most useful

>another reason to kidnap your character
ghouls already have bounties

>>52071644
I understood that they needed ownership of the device the load into, and that opens a big can of worms when you have an AI that controls all of your connected devices.

If I'm wrong, I wanna clear up I'm just an idiot, not a shitposter.

>>52071671
>ghouls already have bounties
There is a couple of zeroes of difference between AIs and Ghouls.

>>52071683
>couple of zeros
oh yes, but if you were an AI, wouldn't you hide with those that are REALLY good at hiding and also highly dangerous/infectious?

>>52071683
They need three marks on the Comlink to have it perform a reboot. As the owner, you can give those to the AI yourself or it can quickly hack them on. More importantly, the AI needs enough free program slots on the device to load itself into it, so expect your pal to crash your game of Action Shooter if it needs to hide presto.

>>52071734
dont forget upkeep of the device. One player was an AI on my character's commlink, and it had a few drones it could abuse. It even bought one of the androids so it could operate vehicles and go on adventures with us.

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>not posting the best ork out there
dishonor on your street sams
On a more serious note. Getting a new player and he wants to play mage. Haven't used magic much before so can anybody point me the dos and donts?

>>52071947
Do understand how magic works from front to back, back to front, inside out, and then front to back again. Magic is capable of a lot of OP bullshit even within the stringent limits set upon it by Shadowrun's setting and rules. Manipulation spells are some of the worst offenders.

Don't forget that background counts, wards and counterspelling are easy to implement as antimagic security.

Do remember that Awakened are more karma-dependent and hardly need as much nuyen as their mundane fellows.

Don't isolate the other players from magic scenarios. Spirits will talk to whomever they god damn please, and just because other players don't have magic doesn't mean they don't have other skills that will be useful to Awakened.

>>52071947
Mages are pretty easy to pick up. Ask him what he wants to do, but both specializing and being a generalist can be useful. (IMO)While every mage should have Levitate, Improved Invisibility, Heal to save someone's (more likely his) life and a stunbolt, the rest of the suit should be according to what he wants to do.
Health Spells are great, but demand to be sustained. However, giving yourself or any party member more initiative dice/attributes is always great. Detection spells are good for utility, but rarely for specialization, same with Manipulation. Illusion can be great for a stealth/support mage, and obviously combat mages can get a lot of good toys to play around.
The more situational the spell, the more you should think twice about picking it up if it's the only magical support for the party.
Summoning is a bit complex, but very rewarding, and even broken when in the right hands. If the player doesn't care much about them, you can just not summon shit at the beginning while they get used to the rules of the magic side.
Don't let him build a Mystic Adept, either it will be insanely powerful or spread very thin. It's hard to get a balance between the two, especially when it's your first magical character.

And, tell him to build a Mage that does something else. Faces/Infiltrators/Medics can be mixed with magic without much investment, and can give a lot of utility for a character outside of his drain pool. Medic is important, since it depends on Logic (Hermetic Mages will need a high number on that) and because you have to apply first aid BEFORE the Heal Spell in order to get the most healing out of it.

>>52071683
>If I'm wrong, I wanna clear up I'm just an idiot, not a shitposter.
Fair enough. You sorta have a point, but any AI should be able to reset ownership on something, somewhere, in preparation of needing to reset overwatch.

>>52071997
>>52072009
Thanks chummers does are useful
Read the magic part a few time but some quirks are still unclear to me.
Like LOS direct spells how much of the target do you need to see to affect it? Smoke blocks LOS but what if the mage is astrally percieving? Can he cast at the target in smoke then?
Does penalties from wounds and sustaining a spell affect the counterspelling dice pool?
Also do I have to read Street Grimore too or I'll be fine with just core?

>>52072101
>Like LOS direct spells how much of the target do you need to see to affect it? Smoke blocks LOS but what if the mage is astrally perceiving?
Test perception to see if you can properly target the subject with spells.

I like how headcases are apparently gaining Immunity (age) now.

>>52068432, >>52068480, >>52068529, >>52068673
One of the things that came up with our group two sessions ago (in a non-sexual way, surprisingly) was that the trivialization of sex, easy sexual fetish access, porn you can personally experience by slotting a chip or running software, cheap and readily available plastic surgery and biosculpting, and the increasing desensitization of the people still around as a way to drown out the bleakness of much of the Sixth World is that much of it (at least in the UCAS) has what you might call a "Slut Culture".
When sex is easy and meaningless and beauty is cheap and readily available and all you're looking for is your next emotional high, sex is easy to come across as a cheap and pleasant way to "non-conform" which of course relied on buying the products that megacorps put out.

It was kinda compared to those classic Hideyuki Kukuchi anime (Ninja Scroll, Wicked City, Cyber City Oedo, Goku: Midnight Eye) where sex and sexuality is common but increasingly without meaning or warmth or human connection; in a world of cheap beauty and needing it's next fix sex is easy to come by (because who doesn't want to be a hot person who gets laid all the time?) for many people but so little of it actually matters that's not really satisfying to many people.
It's like having a cigarette; you don't actually REMEMBER the individual cigarettes and none of them are particularly interesting. All that matters is that you need another one eventually and it looks cool and let's you be superficially social and that you buy more of it later.

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>>52072147
Personal opionion: If CFD was the subject of one mission-book and kept isolated from the rest of the setting and works, it would have been pretty great, I like the concept of a nanomachine pseudo-zombie breakout. CFD's biggest problem is that the writers are constantly expanding it and trying to haphazardly intergrate it with everything else.

I also think that the writers should have better explored CFD's inability to properly infect HMHVV-infected people, because ghouls versus nano-zombies would have been fucking awesome as a background thing.

>>52066570
>Direct Spells
>Mattering ever
Anon, it's basically 4 damage that has a chance to also kick yourself in the dick. It's worse than a holdout pistol.

>>52072216
>Personal opionion: If CFD was the subject of one mission-book and kept isolated from the rest of the setting and works, it would have been pretty great,

I'd be okay with this too.
The current issue with CFD is that the current writers are not very good (they are in fact the opposite of that) and them clumsily shoehorning it into everything strongly highlights their lack of talent and imagination, as if they only really had one plot idea and are now going to try and stretch it for an entire edition.

>>52072216
tell me more about HMHVV infected's inability to get CFD

>>52072257
One infection is magical the other technological and they don't mix. First come; first served.

>>52072257
They can't get it. That's it. That's the extent of the written material.

>>52072257
It is completely inexplicable and unexplained, just like literally every element of CFD.
That's one of the worst parts; the explanation for how CFD works, spreads, activates, functions, and why it can't be cured is literally just "reasons" right now.

>>52072279
>>52072281
>>52072284
so you're telling me I can totally abuse lack of CFD by cramming a shit ton of nanoware in my ghoul?

>>52072342
Assuming you can find the nanoware, someone willing to work with it and and someone willing to cram it into a ghoul, sure.

>>52072378
shadowrunners walk many strange circles, plus a fixer in contacts list helps

>>52072284
>It is completely inexplicable and unexplained, just like literally every element of CFD.
Even worse, knowledge of CFD seems intended to change and grow over the edition. This would be why there's such a massive push to keep bringing it up, and why most people's knowledge started and stopped with material saying there's no cure. For now. Just treatment. Which gets overlooked in the face of strongly worded misguiding statements.

Then you have what seem to be unintentional interactions between Nanite Volume (NV) dropping per month without consuming food, and the Nutrition spell allowing you to go without food as long as you can keep using the spell.

If you follow the official NV management procedures (chemicals for soft nanites, electricity to stun hard nanites long enough to work on them, blood filtering & other medical procedures to directly remove all nanites), then CFD isn't the inevitable death of character people make out. If you're living on mana at the same time, then it's just a matter of waiting out the last few nanites.

>>52072396
I'd like to point out that if necessary, the nanites would just harvest the materials directly from you, which the Nutrition spell is apparently providing somehow?

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>>52072202
>It's like having a cigarette; you don't actually REMEMBER the individual cigarettes and none of them are particularly interesting. All that matters is that you need another one eventually and it looks cool and let's you be superficially social and that you buy more of it later.
That's actually a really nice analogy for your not-that-uncommon free-love utopia or trivialised debauchery dystopia (aka, the same thing, but depending on the author), thanks anon

>>52072409
>I'd like to point out that if necessary, the nanites would just harvest the materials directly from you
I'd hazard a guess that only the nanozombie CFD variant does this. The original type seems more inclined towards keeping the vessel in good health.

>>52072439
>not-that-uncommon free-love
That's the trick.
There is no free love in the Sixth World. Sex? Sex is easy and sex is free (though somehow you end up paying for it), but love is even harder to find in the Sixth World then it is here.
When physical intimacy is reduced to routine and sex becomes meaningless, it's difficult to really gain a decent emotional connection to another metahuman being. In real life physical intimacy is a good first step in many cases (we're programmed a little bit to think that way; staying close to people you bang increases strength in numbers and satisfies our instinctive communal desires), but removing anything special sex might represent and turning it into the equivalent of eating an individual M&M for a nice sensation removes this option for most people, increasing the sensation of alienation and isolation and anxiety found in the Sixth World.

If you summon a spirit or create a temporary lodge in extreme latitudes where there are month long days or nights, does your spirit or lodge exist for that long?

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>>52072553
...Huh.

I have no fucking clue.

Yekka, adding an Infected quality like Nosferatu to a Sum To Ten character that's a MysAd doesn't actually give the 10 Karma discount like it's supposed to.

How viable is an aspected summoner who buffs himself via channeling?

Also, can inhabitating spirits in flesh form get infected?

>>52072553
Yes! It's mentioned in 3e's Target: Wastelands in the Ends of the Earth section that spirits will stay on hand to the next sun rise/set, even if that's weeks away, provided they still owe services!

>>52072845
It should be workable. Far from stellar, but workable.

Asking again because my net died. If I'm setting my game in '62, two years before the crash, what should I look out for? Any tips? I know there's limited(?) wireless

>>52072912
Like they said when you last asked, just pick up 3e. It's in the OP. It's going to be hard to play using the 4e ruleset, because magic traditions were actually different then.

How would you rule that Elemental Strike: Metal would work?

>>52072983
Same as a regular Metal element spell: +2 to the DV and AP, possibility on a defence glitch of shredding the defender's armour a bit. Fluff is as a fist surrounded by tiny orbitting chunks of metal, or wrapped in an ethereal coating of the stuff with long, spiralling tendrils reaching out.

>>52072892
Alright, thanks

>>52073002
By SR4 RAW, Metal was +2 DV and increased the AP by +5, making it easier to resist. It was... very bad.

>>52073016
It's +2 to both in Street Magic, like a fletchette.

>>52073023
Wait, it got a reprint? What page?

Also, SR5 has Flechettes at +2/+5, so...

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>>52072504
I think that's the main reason that most Shadowrun games end up different from how the fluff (at least in earlier editions) was written.
Modern players are used to seeing sex and generally everything risqué as something taboo, fun and exciting. They joke about it because it's precious enough in the modern world to be a hotly debated subject, they aspire to have it and they cheer when they get it, telling long stories about "the time X got laid with a troll" because we live in a different society in which the availability of sex might be at its all-time low.
Postmodern supermarket philosophy plays up the value of every individual's judgment and racks up their expectations to have an unique and fulfilling life, which results in sex being seen as crass and even embarrassing.
On the other side are people who're used to snapping at anything sexual in a game and calling it magical realm, because our society at the current time is extremely preoccupied with gouging sexuality out of works that aren't porn, just to avoid getting in trouble with an Internet-using, very vocal conglomeration of Tumblr left-wingers, histrionic moderate-right soccer moms and millions of people who'll bite onto a single clickbait article.
In contrast to our modern society, where sex is a private thing that's supposed to come after all your other life priorities, a heavily scrutinized thing that's seen as outright dangerous at times and a precious thing that's something to brag about when you finally get it, the Sixth World has managed to separate sex and love by turning sex into a commodity, and it has done this because of biosculpting, cosmetic cyberware and personafixes letting anyone fulfill the criteria of having sex while a wildly consumerist society that encourages work-party-work-party rhythms (work for the corporation and spend your money right away again) gets in the way of love, something society might actually have become too selfish and postmodern to experience that often.

>>52073107
Lets also not forget how the fluff keeps contradicting itself.

Like when it implies sex is cheap and readily available in books like Attitude but then says vanilla elven escort will cost you 10k a night when describing that one weird elf super-spy mob

>>52073107
Basically, everyone having the ability to be hot and sexy, combined with the megacorps encouraging doing this (with their products), has given everyone the ability to offer sex and to receive it. When anyone can offer sex as a commodity, even if they're just a nerdling who had too much money and a too-high-quality 3d render of a game character on hand, the people who previously had an upper hand because they were beautiful or sexy lose that advantage.
With corporations backing it up and the conventional norms of beauty losing out to manufactured ones with price tags and catalogs, holding back or tabooizing sex loses its meaning, and the floodgates break as the combination of corp-encouraged shameless spending, a society historically used to seeing sex like we do and pure human libido gets the sex industry to explode, clubs for literally every fetish you can pull off in the Sixth World springing up like weeds. As competition rises and taboos vanish, clothing fashion changes to become more provocative, sex becomes less hush-hush and for a while, society gets carried away with that rush.
When that excitement has then burnt out, you have the Shadowrun setting. Sex has become cheap, varied and almost without taboos, something you buy and slot and throw away like a BTL, and most importantly, everyone can be their own idea of sexy now. The hedonism and the passion vanishes, replaced by a hunger for recognition and love in a world where everyone can buy themselves better than you, and sex becomes something cheap, crass and habitual again.
>>52073150
That might have something to do with current society's gender and sexual norms. Imagine how mad for example Tumblr could get at an elf escort (female, of course) costing a hundred nuyen, even if that's the view of sex the setting is constructed around.

>>52073210
And just because I got writing.
If you rub in deeply enough how commoditized, loveless and backed up by corporate services sex is in the Sixth World, all but the most frothingly cleave-and-smite groups would likely have trouble calling it magical realm - sure, that street samurai used to be a guy and has the body and personafix of his favorite pornstar, and that cute catgirl decker is a hundred thousand nuyen in debt for the fat removal and the biosculpting, but that's just sad and not sexy by our standards.
The key is, I think, to see things from the character's viewpoint if you choose to make a character who seeks or invites sex a lot. No one chooses to get plastic surgery without a complex, and no one chooses to get themselves completely resculpted without a serious bundle of issues. Focusing on the character motivations, rationale and repercussions of sex and sexualization over the 2017-style guffawing and in-joking is infinitely more interesting, and even if someone at your table ends up with an awkward boner, at least he does so while trying to imagine a flawed character in an interesting setting.
Sure, your character can have a dick even if she's a chick, assuming she got it spliced on and you can explain why it brings her flaws and fuck-ups into focus.
Sure, you can play a pink-haired stripper in a transparent skirt and with a bioware devil tail, if you explain why she'd go so far even on a run.
Sure, you can play a loli character as long as they received the required treatments and you explain to me why the hell someone would want to do that.
Sure, you can play it, as long as the fetishy or sexualized part of your character is directly and consistently tied to some sort of issue, preferably the ones connected with sex in the Sixth World (inferiority complex, self-hate, ennui, desensitization, sex addiction, insane overuse of porn BTLs and the resulting aftereffects, competitiveness).

>>52073313
>you explain to me why the hell someone would want to do that.
Because it's their fetish. Not everything has to have a deep psychological reason to exist, especially if it's as much of an industry as you're suggesting. Everybody has body-image issues, some people just have weirder ones than others.

Going that route is pretty much guaranteed to get you yelled at for magical realm, as opposed to going with something Freudian like 'she was raped, and came to believe that females were naturally weaker, so she had surgery to become a man, because men aren't weak'.

>>52073400
>Because it's their fetish.
Or, for slightly more cyberpunk-ness, because they saw an ad for it. Don't watch late-night body-modification shopping channels, kids.

>>52073400
Not to mention that in this sort of industry, even surgery wouldn't be necessary. The rich ones, body-tripping, would pay a mage to quicken a shapeshift spell on them making them into Cinammon Sparkle, the prettiest elf girl in the world. And then they could break it when they were done and go back to being Billy-Bob Longdick, Troll CEO and all around hardass.

How would you go about making a character that is leading a small cult?

I thought about Made Man, but I doubt that it's the optimal way.

>>52073432
"Fame" comes to mind.

>>52073427
>shapeshift spell
>the prettiest elf girl in the world
sorry chummer, but the shapeshift spell only turns you into a normal critter and metahumans don't count as such
So you can turn a troll into a human but not a human into a troll

>>52073442
Well, young dragons explicitly need to sustain an alternate form spell, and Plan 9 mntions at one point he spent a year as a woman thanks to a quickened spell.

Not much of a stretch to assume that alternate form spells are doable, just iffy.

>>52073442
and even then that would only work if the troll had only BOD 5

>>52073441
I dunno chummer. I thought about both Fame and Homeground, but both seem inappropriate for a small, close knit and secretive druidic cult

>>52073474
If there exists such a spell then it isn't Shapeshift
also: wasn't Plan 9 the one who had so many augmentations and gender changes that they don't even remember which gender they started with?

>>52073486
Well, just use the magical group rules then, with strictures for everyone and himself at the top. If you want more detailed rules, hit up the group contact rules and the group organisation rules from 4e, since they're far more fleshed out than 5e.
>>52073495
Probably on the gender front, but I've never seen that particular post from him. He's also one of the resident head-cases. And it doesn't matter much if it isn't shapeshift, given that it was a throw away sentence in a puff post. You know exactly what I meant, and playing semantics games is stupid.

>>52073400
Even if it's just their fetish, it's a hell of a decision to go from Johnny Spider, the thirty-something human guy working computer security at an AA corp's least relevant warehouse, to basically any kind of underage female anything.
Even though society might not get that outraged anymore, it's a sizeable financial investment for most people, and you'll have a fair bit of explaining, clearing up and (of course) new shopping to do even in the most basic of cases.
Any big, momentous decision can bring out useful character elements, especially ones that change a character's entire lifestyle in a short span of time.
That's assuming that Johnny Spider is going to be Francine Peoria, the completely normal white-bread ten-year-old - that's being eccentric in the Sixth World, not freaky, and most people could be assumed to have the money, the desire and the guts for a change of this scale once or twice in their life.
Now, if Johnny Spider thinks up the runner name "Cherry Chocolate" and chooses to be biosculpted into a nine-year-old elf girl with unrealistic proportions, the lips of an adult supermodel and incredibly revealing clothes coupled with a personafix, that's still the level where a serious underlying psychological issue would be expected (because you're after all willing to change your appearance, personality, gender, age and lifestyle completely for a sexual hang-up).
As long as it's explained properly, though, and as long as the flaws that caused the decision end up biting the character in the ass at some point, I'd at least allow it.
Sure, it'd get bashed as magical realm, but someone needs to make the move. If everyone keeps on getting scared, roleplaying games are steadily going to get less and less to work with, even when it's used for serious character development and setting building.

So like, for real SRG, do street-sams ever find true love? Or are they forever stuck with the hedonist-face whos only banging him cause she gets off on the thought of 'dating' a killing machine?

>>52073611
funnily enough in my game the former sammy (and previously "face") and the current face are in a relationship
My group got themselves a hideout to store all their stuff in, they spent some time there, drank some stuff, one thing led to another.

>>52073727
Is he a troll? Because if she's a dwarf, or really small, he could get a plus size smuggling compartment installed and easily have a deployable face carried around like cyberweapons Might not even have to take her out Johnsons might be a bit weird about negotiating with a troll sotmach, though..

What Code of Honor would a Tamanous operative follow?

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>>52073107

> because we live in a different society in which the availability of sex might be at its all-time low.

Excuse me? How much do you think John the Peasant got to wet his dick? Best case scenario, he got married to a local family's daughter.

>>52073150

They cost 1k an hour, I think. That's because they drug them with laes at the end of their session, so you're paying for perfect discretion as well as a top-tier escort.

Hookers in real life, at least where I'm from, are 100 to 300 an hour, while proper escorts are 500 and up.

From what I've read, third world hookers usually cost 100 or less, total (and possibly your dick if you bareback them).

>>52073210
>>52073313

As others have pointed out, there doesn't need to be a deep reason for having a character with an abnormal image/sexuality.

My problem comes running games where players try to inject their fetishes into the game. Even if it's low key, you can always tell who's secretly getting off to their character.

It's even worse when the player admits their fetish. Had a player with a macrofetish play a beautiful troll girl. While they weren't going around, being blatantly sexual and whatnot, it made things uncomfortable for me, knowing he was getting off to his character.

Don't want to be a sensy moralfag here, but some respect and boundaries are necessary. Keep your fetishes to yourself.

>>52073548

That's a respectable position. I think we could all do with a little more open-mindedness with what's acceptable.

As long as they have the tact to not be obvious about a weird fetish, I don't have problems with my players messing around with stuff like that.

Dickgirls are always going to make my eyes roll, though. It's a gross and stupid fetish for men who wish they were beautiful and charismatic like women, but still want the gratification of fucking other women.

>>52073786
"Only kill & harvest from those that deserve death" would be an option.

>>52073745
Nope, Sammy was a female elf with a fear of magic, which is also why I said "face". She simply had the most charisma of the group
Current face is a male human edgelord with a Social DP of 12 and a dislike for anyone awakened or emerged (he wants to "cure them of their sickness")
The sammy was retired and the player made a female druid, which obviously means that our face doesn't like her

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>>52065557
>Strictly speaking, in non-PM games, combat is meant to be a last resort, and avoiding it is generally good practice.

I'd say it's the other way around - It's only in hardcore Black Trenchcoat games that combat is meant to be a last resort. Several core archetypes are built entirely around kicking hoop, and RPGs in general encourage you to cut loose and have cool fights. You don't need to treat every run like a dungeon crawl, killing your way in and back out, but fighting happens more often than not as part of the plan/the immediate Plan B when something goes wrong unless your group is highly committed to avoiding combat.

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>>52068141
Implanted grenade launchers were a mistake.

>>52073107
>we live in a different society in which the availability of sex might be at its all-time low.
That is the opposite of true. I can pull out my phone, and learn where to have sex with someone I have never met and never will again.

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>>52070442
Trolls are bigger sluts.

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>>52070509
That's a great shirt.

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>>52072101
>Does penalties from wounds and sustaining a spell affect the counterspelling dice pool?
Yes.

>Also do I have to read Street Grimore too or I'll be fine with just core?
SG has the background count rules and more general fluff on the manascape, so read that at least and use them. It also has rules that makes Alchemy a bit less garbage, if that's your jam. There's no real game-breaking spells in SG or Shadow Spells, so you don't need to disallow it for balance, but if you think the player would prefer picking spells from a smaller pool then you're not going to nerf them.

>>52072101
Never run a core only game.

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>>52073611
Alas, for many love comes far too late.

>>52074048
Flame burst has the potential to be pretty fucking horrible if you're not operating on high initiative scales. Even then, a free combat spell a turn is solid.

Street Scum in Hong Kong. Is it possible? Any books i should read, aside the HK book for SR5

>>52065488
Shadowrun is a game in which Gandalf routinely gets into shootouts with the Terminator, potentially with Jackie Chan on a nearby rooftop hacking handguns and computers with his brain to compensate for the lack of ladders.

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>>52074144
A free combat spell that comes out directly from you and destroys everything around you. What is your mage doing that he needs to be burninating everything around him, and not crouching behind cover like a good robe-wearing geek-target?

>>52074262
Not everything around you, just everything in one direction, so call it a beam the size of a caster. Since it happens in combination with your first action, a move action when the suppressive fire dies down. Or cast another spell, or do something that involves popping your head out of cover so you can get LOS and send a bit of that at another target.

>>52074307
>popping your head out of cover so you can get LOS and send a bit of that at another target

>without damaging its point of origin (the caster). Everything else in its path, though, is damaged.

Hope you're not standing too close to that cover, because it is now a bonfire.

>>52074353
And so is everything else, if the cover in the area is that easily ignited.

>>52074376
Time to invest in a fireproof coat.

Here's one. There are plenty of examples of headcases going back to their 20s because NANITES ARE MAGIC. And they've said that the original personality never really goes away - it's just locked in the brain as a screaming passenger.

So I'm guessing there will be a mysterious cure, and Fastjack comes back in his 20s.

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>when your GM decides to just clearly say fuck it and makes an awakened-only, limited guns campaign where the entire crew is being trained by not-Professor X in a not-mutant academy, and we're required to dress up in bright leotards to do karate combat on terrorists

This shit is retarded but fun. Maybe I'm enjoying myself the most because I'm playing not-Gambit and throwing adept cards into people's faces.

>>52074663
Take the Warrior's Way so you can throw cards like a shotgun blast.

How is it that there is no personal means of flying outside of magic? You're telling me nobody made a jetpack by 207X?

>>52074756
I want to say that there's a medium-ish size drone that flies.

Also, the reason there's no jetpack is because it has no real upsides.

>>52073150
Actually, the 4e prices for basic services (which was left out of 5e because fuck completionism and useful information, right?) shows that your average prostitute is STAGGERINGLY cheap by modern standards, costing ¥20 to ¥50. That's not an hourly rate either, that's a flat fee.

Escort services are more expensive though, costing ¥100 an hour.

>>52074756
There is one in Spy Games for 4e

>>52073821
>Hookers in real life, at least where I'm from, are 100 to 300 an hour, while proper escorts are 500 and up.

They're significantly cheaper in the Sixth World >>52075401.

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>>52075401

Well, that makes sense. When there's cheap, virtual sex to be had, that would naturally reduce the demand for real sex.

>>52075401
>which was left out of 5e
Check the back of run faster, it's got prices for those things along with a fuckton of other mundane purchases

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Has Run & Gun gone too far?

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>>52075535
Not far enough. Let me make my Warhawk burst-fire.

>>52072202
>Goku: Midnight Eye
Fuck, I haven't thought of that one in YEARS.

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>>52075788
https://youtu.be/AWaii-zWT_A

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>>52075634
What if we allowed you to shoot .410?

>>52075634
>custom Warhawk that spins up the cylinder like a minigun
>six round FA firing mode only
>a belt of cylinders that feeds through the frame automatically

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I'm gonna post it again!

>>52073786
Don't speak with your mouth full.

>>52074618
Where are the age-defying properties of CFD mentioned? Anyone have a page reference?

I'm asking because short of a headcase getting Leonized, I havn't seen this so far.

Cougar Collapsible Spear.
Opinions? Useful for melee infiltration?

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>>52076999
>Useful for melee infiltration?
There's plenty of better blades if you want to do that, sapphire knives that are all but undetectable, have only 1 less DMG and 1 better AP than the spear form (are is well above the knife version) and are cheaper to boot.

The big advantage of it is that it provides a portable reach weapon, and if your GM allows it to become a weapon focus (iffy given it's memory steel) it can be a nice trick for an adept when it comes to trollfighting. Bonus points for style, but I'm personally annoyed it's out of chargen reach for no apparent reason.

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>>52076247
>That paragraph from the corebook.
I'll be honest, considering how all-American the culture of Ares is, I'd be surprised if they *didn't* have a malt-shop for archology teens to take their Nixdorf Sekretär selected crush to on a corporate-regulation approved date.

Heck, Horizon would be all over that fucking scene what with it's P2.0 system. Take one for the team and ask the homely and needy troll out for a soykaf, and watch your persona-score skyrocket.

>>52077216
In the sixth world all fetishes score you p points.
This explains so much.

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Sometimes I feel like the possibilities of Shadowrun are squandered.

In a world where all this virtual shit is possible, there's probably some guy just chilling on a park bench or whatever, listening to vaporware while having the sensation of getting a blowjob, and the feeling of warm sunlight pouring on him, which he programmed to taste like frootloops on his nose and smell like lilac on his tongue.

It's raining, 10 degrees Celsius out, he has no job because he dropped out from community college, he hasn't had a proper meal in days, and he couldn't be happier.

But you never see this shit. It's as if everyone is still acting like its the 20th century.

Personal meetings with Johnsons? Why the fuck would a Johnson ever reveal themselves if everything can be accomplished through the Matrix? To make the runners trust them more? The fuck do they care?

Actual prostitutes? Why bother?

Having a job and a life? Simsense is all you'll ever need. Seriously, even if you're pathetic and homeless in reality, what does it matter if you can be perfectly happy with almost no effort on your part?

Just seems like these things could be explored, but aren't.

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>>52070401
>>52070468
>>52070485
>>52070490
>>52070504
>>52070509
>>52070547
>>52070602
>>52070793
>tfw you will never get to fuck a qt ork girl
Why even live?

>>52077557
All those thing are and HAVE been explored, although mostly before 4th ed. There's entire published adventures about Bunruku puppets, and the fluff is littered with stories about idiots who let their bodies die because waifu-chips in their brains.

>>52077557
>To make the runners trust them more
That's exactly why. We were just talking about this earlier - in a world where everyone is used to being digitized, reduced, commoditized, and remotely automated, Mr. Johnson and their employees go the extra mile to show that they're willing to put meat on the line for a job.

If you want to post on Kroggslist, no one's stopping you. Just know that you get the job you pay for.

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>>52077557
This >>52077622

The subset of the population that falls down the better-than-life (and there's a name with a big warning flag) rabbit hole is noticable, and stuff like the Market Panic story about being a wageslave points out how far simsense goes to making life better for the majority of people.

As for why there's still personal interactions, people still place some value on the meat. The whole point of BTLs is that they take out all the restrictions that keep you from believing in your deepest mind that what's on the chip is what's really happening. If they don't do that, simsense is second best.

As for why there's real meetings with Johnsons, 1) it makes for better stories, 2) there's things you can find out in a face-to-face meeting that a bunch of avatars standing around in a deepweb host just can't replicate. For someone hiring a bunch of freelance agents for highly sensitive and illegal work, that's important. And nobody gives a fuck about the Johnson's exposure other than the Johnson; the whole point of Mr. J is that he's just as deniable an asset as everyone else in shadow-work, he just comes at it from the other side.

>>52077557
Also, never underestimate the power of tradition.

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>>52077557
>Why the fuck would a Johnson ever reveal themselves if everything can be accomplished through the Matrix?
Meeting in person lets the Johnson focus on securing a single room and a few people rather than the entire cyber-landscape through which a digital message would travel.

>>52077204
Here's how you check if a weapon can be a weapon focus.

Is it a Melee Weapon?

Yes?

Then it can be a weapon focus.

It doesn't matter how advanced it is. If it's melee, the answer is yes.

>>52077875
the question isn't really "Can it be a weapon focus" but "Can it be made into a weapon focus given reasonable amounts of work"
Something like a wooden club is pretty easy, something like a normal metal spear is a bit more difficult but manageable. But try turning a monowhip into one.

Which is most likely why >>52077204 was unsure. How difficult is it to enchant memory steel?

>>52077966
Not very, because you can just use reagents to lower the object resistance.

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>>52077557

>>52077966
It's probably got an OR of 9, so the die pool it's going to resist with is 9+Force. And the theoretical maker is going to want minions/allies to help during the work because this isn't an Edgeable roll, and you may not have a high enough background count in your lodge to get a limit that you'd like.

Now if only there was an easy way to also use Leeching during the process.

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This thread reminds me I still need to get around to playing Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall, and Hong Kong.

>>52078319
Why? Does your beetle addiction get in the way?

>>52078319
Give some of the more popular player-made campaigns a go as well, especially the Coldecott(sp?) Caper for SR:HK.

>>52073313
>No one chooses to get plastic surgery without a complex, and no one chooses to get themselves completely resculpted without a serious bundle of issues
In the sixth world, that can be as simple as, "I watched the wrong advertisement while connected to a sim module, and now I'm compelled to do so."

>>52077216
>I'd be surprised if they *didn't* have a malt-shop for archology teens to take their Nixdorf Sekretär selected crush to on a corporate-regulation approved date.
You still wouldn't be able to take Jane the leather-clad razorgirl there.

>>52079051
But what if Jane the leather-clad razorgirl is my type? They should have one in stock. The corporation has to meet my needs!

>>52079068
Doesn't matter if she's *your* type. Razor girls are not corporate's type.

The corporation will meet your needs. After these short advertisements.

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>>52079068
>corporation
>meeting your needs

No, you need to be set on the right path. Don't worry, a few dozen courses of electrostimulation and simtutoring and you'll understand the value of wholesome relationships, and we'll take Jane to some re-education as well so she can learn the fulfillment of an honest life of service.

>>52078920
That's true, but it's not really a character-deepening element and there's not much to work from. On top of that, most people who end up in those situations are probably going to go right back and not stay like that - hey, it's double the profit for the corp and less bad PR.
It's in the context of a runner having a permanent sculpt job, and those are a lot rarer and require a lot more devotion than the quickies that people get done because of advertisements, to show corp solidarity, to spice up sex and for the hell of it.
Of course, there are people who get huge, permanent sculpt jobs for the hell of it, as well as those who decide to stay with the one they got while under the influence of psychoactive ads indefinitely, but those are psychological issues on their own (at least in normal people).

>>52077557
>Having a job and a life? Simsense is all you'll ever need.

Fuck the techies, it's all about those real sensations t. wizard adept

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>>52079238
>t. luddite

ftfy

>>52079307
My mage once accidentally gave someone CFD so now he things DNI is dangerous

>>52079364
>My mom once heard a news report about hackers so now she thinks her calculator can steal her credit card.

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>>52079051
Why not? Our SINs are legit looking enough to pass a cursory test, and so long as we keep our cyberware underneath our jackets the guy behind the counter's got no reason to turn down our hard-earned NuYen for a couple of shakes and a seat near the back. And if for whatever reason the malt-shop's got a bouncer at the front door deciding whether or not our clothes meet the place's standards then fuck it, we'll get some tickets to the local game or whatever else is available.

Point being that romance isn't dead so long as the effort's put in.

>>52079393
I've always wanted to incorporate stuff like that in a run, wageslaves who only know about shadowrunners based on the news and trids.

>Martha the secretary who sees the mage's 'occult necklace' (actually just something he bought from Trog-Topic that he thought was cool) and lets the group pass without resistance in case she gets turned into a devil-rat
>Joe in accounting who hates his job so much that when a group of runners breaks in during the gravetard-shift he packs his company-loaned taser into his pocket and tries to 'defect' to the runners, unintentionally making things harder for them in the process
>Gertrude the homely Ork who just came back from seeing the tridflick 'Razer-Runner 100' and hits on the Decker
>A pair of corpsec rentacops who are still on edge from a documentary about cyberpsychosis audibly squeaking in terror and flinching whenever the Street-Samurai infront of them so much as coughs, neither of them wanting to be the first guy to shoot

>>52079792
>>Joe in accounting who hates his job so much that when a group of runners breaks in during the gravetard-shift he packs his company-loaned taser into his pocket and tries to 'defect' to the runners, unintentionally making things harder for them in the process

I did this one once. Except it was grad students trying to follow their halfway-extracted professor in the hopes that their theses would have better luck at UO rather than Proteus AG.

>>52079531
You're assuming cyberware that's not obvious and permanently visible (remember - corps are pushing for corp citizens to *hate* hidden combat augments even more), ignoring the likelihood of a scanner at the entrance, otherwise downplaying the average razorgirl's poor social skills and low socio-economic status, and trying to minimise the profile of the request. The Malt Shop has no need of your nuyen. They have enough customers that fit their profile, and run on corpscrip.

>Point being that romance isn't dead so long as the effort's put in.
Sure, and neither is the black plague. You can play Shadowrun however you like at your table. No one I'm aware of is going to come tip it over because you want love to bloom in the middle of a run (or whatever), but that doesn't mean you should push for other people to accept it as standard.

>>52079921
>You're assuming cyberware that's not obvious and permanently visible
A fair enough point, but not many pieces of cyberware are so intrusive/conspicuous that a heavy jacket can't hide it, and cybereyes being the most common piece of 'ware in the sixth world means that there's still a bit of leeway for the uncoverable pieces of 'ware that aren't blatantly bad news.
>Scanner at the entrance
While all runners worth their salt have at least a rating 4 SIN, I'll concede that not all Razers are runners.
>Poor social skills
Maybe if she was going to have a conversation with whoever's behind the counter, but I think unless she's explicitely got 1 CHA and/or suffering from cyberpsychosis, she'd be able to handle ordering a malt without threatening to cut someone's liver out.

I understand the point you're making, but I just think that the paragraph in >>52076247 is worth criticising a little because I think that there's not actually too much reason to suggest that a societal convention as widespread and accepted as romance/dating is suddenly not really a thing in the sixth world. Maybe not for people who live in the barrens, but I still reckon that even well-off SINless and the such can have romance going on.

Probably my fault for focussing on the razergirl/malt-shop bit was getting off-track a little, mind you.

>>52079876
>trying to follow their halfway-extracted professor in the hopes that their theses would have better luck at UO rather than Proteus AG.

Fuck me, that is too good. Academia is such a fucked-up minefield of bullshit I can see it now. That gives me an idea for a Run where you have to steal a a particularly promising student/staff member from one Corp University and take them to another Corp University. The runner could blend in as students, go to keggers, be jocks/nerds, play pranks on campus security, pants the dean, all types of wacky college movie hi-jinks while they try and figure a way to get the target isolated and out from the heavily-fortified corporate complex.

Or fuck, maybe they'll actually just decide to go to university.

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>>52079876
I misread UO as UU and suddenly thought of the Shadowrun equivalent of the Unseen University faculty.

>>52080237
You know it exists somewhere.

>>52080162
>While all runners worth their salt have at least a rating 4 SIN, I'll concede that not all Razers are runners.
It doesn't have to be a SIN scanner, either. MAD (cheaper places) or cyberware (more upscale) will also make life difficult for the heavily augmented.

>I think that there's not actually too much reason to suggest that a societal convention as widespread and accepted as romance/dating is suddenly not really a thing in the sixth world.
I believe there's a case to be made for love existing, but I don't believe that it should be argued that two average combat augmented people can waltz into an establishment for romantic or nostalgic normies and receive one standard date.

If you take people who live more on the edge of the simsense-blasted social wastelands of the sixth world, going somewhere less contained within the corporate structure, sure. Or you could flip that entirely, and have two corp-approved citizens fulfilling their corporate requirements by submitting sperm and egg to be genetically modified to best suit the donors' purchased range of employment opportunities, and raised as a corporate orphan who considers the corporation itself as both mother and father.

>>52080179
It gets better. UO was going after the guy because he was supposedly on the cusp of developing a theory to track and predict mana warps, and the runners were supposed to get both him and his research.

Turns out he didn't have shit and had arranged for his own extraction because his project was about to go before a review board, and he didn't want to tell them he had no publishable material. He paid the runners out of pocket to destroy the research to buy himself a few more years at Proteus before publish or perish came back up.

>>52080889
*a few more years at UO, after 'losing everything' at Proteus

>>52068885
How do you suggest the runners find out about the competition sent for the rapper? Basic contacts during legwork?

>Not OP btw

Alright /srg/ help a chummer out. My group is stuck in 5e Dnd hell and its boring and bland. I have never played shadowrun before but i really want to check it out, to save our group from 5e monotony. I would of course have to DM it but thats totally fine with me, megacorps are right up my alley. So then:
Where do I begin?
Is there a certain campaign thats good for new DMs and players alike? if not, what should of content should i try out?
If you were just getting into shadowrun for the first time, what do you wish someone told you?

Thanks.

>>52073727
>>52074134
I've just been thinking that maybe love of the tender variety could help stave off cyberpsychosis, but the world seems almost too bleak for even that sort of thing to work.

>>52081277
>Where do I begin?

Let us all rise to our feet for the /srg/ national anthem.

FOOD FIGHT
FOOD FIGHT
FOOD FIGHT

>>52081277
Geek the mage.

>>52080162
>While all runners worth their salt have at least a rating 4 SIN
This largely depends on the edition, actually.

>>52081277
>If you were just getting into shadowrun for the first time, what do you wish someone told you?

That people who complain about the Matrix taking up too much time and being boring are mindlessly repeating memes from two editions ago. I spent too long taking the cyber out of cyberpunk because I didn't try out the rules myself.

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>>52081277
USE THE HAYEK SHEETS
READ THE SUPERBOOK
USE THE PASTEBIN

>>52081445
Yeah, the problems with the Matrix ever since 4e and 5e has nothing at all to do with how much time it takes.
But of course the current group of devs didn't know that (they stopped playing before 3e ended after all) and so created Overwatch to solve a nonexistent problem.

So, is there no way to output a decent looking character sheet from Chummer? Me and my group are playing online so there's no real point in maintaining a physical charsheet - especially since it would be more difficult for the GM to keep track of with us.

>>52081621
If you're playing online, why do you need a sheet at all?

>>52081635
Just looking for a good way to keep the information handy and presentable. Chummer itself is a little dense/has too many layers to click through during play, and the sheets it outputs are a bit hard to navigate during a fight. We'll make due and probably get faster at it once we play a couple more sessions but at the moment it's irritating me. I know that you're supposed to be able to roll your own layouts fairly easily but I'm more just surprised that nobody has made a more presentable one by now.

Do most megas have arcologies or just Renraku's murderhouse in Seattle?

>>52081791
One of the companies has underwater ones in the North Sea.

>>52081708
Fancy Blocks is pretty good for that, I've found. Page-breaks are broke as fuck, but that's a bit of a different thing.

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>>52081791
Depends what you mean by arcology.

A lot of megacorps have pseudo-arcologies, communities where the people can live perpetually in the structure but still require some outside resources to survive. >>52081818 is probably thinking of Proteus AG, who makes arkoblocks (aquatic pseudo-arcologies) all over the place.

There's a dozen of those operated by various megas in Tokyo Bay, for instance. The SOX has 15 at last count (in 3e), ranging from pseudo to real arcologies to entirely automated. The black labs of Antarctica might count as pseudo-arcologies, depending on your definition.

The ACHE was notable for being a full-fledged arcology in the middle of a city (which when you think about is the dumbest place for an arcology, because it's the easiest place to access and keep supplied) run by an AI. Nowadays it's not a real arcology anymore, because no one is invested enough to repair and maintain all the processes to keep it independent.

>>52081895
I'll have to fiddle with it. My character has probably half a dozen different grenades (chemicals are fun!) that I made up so I can leave them in a bin at home and then bring them with me as runs call for it, but the effect is that the Fancy Blocks weapon section's formatting is fucked up and spreads over several pages.

>>52081544
Overwatch is there to stop the whole trope of the Hacker sitting back several blocks away in his van and just taking his sweet time hacking an entire building before the rest of the team busts in, and it works in stopping that.

>>52081959
>The SOX has 15 at last count
for_what_reason.moodsft

>>52081277
There's a How To GM Shadowrun pdf in the pastebin, check it out, then read all the books.

>>52072236
Are indirect spells really any better at doing damage? Last time I played, I was a mage with pretty good magic and spellcasting and I was never really able to put out any significant damage.

>>52082771
Anon, Indirect Spells have their Force in raw damage before any hits.

You tell me.

Is 1/3 of your dicepool better than Force+1/3 of your dicepool?

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>>52082628
A) It's a great place to study the effects that radiation and pollution have on the enviroment at ways to fix it or adapt to it, which is worth mucho dollaros.

B) It's a great place to do whatever you want without anyone finding out, complete with all the human test subjects you can abduct from the Exclusion Zone.

>>52082802
But is Body+(Armor-Force) ever going to be more than Force?

maybe I was just casting at little bitch force levels

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>>52082802
Depends on what you're trying to hit, though. Direct spells ignore dodge and change your soak roll; against a target you're having trouble actually landing damage onto, direct spells can be substantially better than an indirect spell.

>>52082802
Also, if it's a single target, then Witness my hate can make a big difference for indirects.

You just need to have edge available to spend, or carry around a nice amount of reagents so that you can do low Force indirect spells with higher limits.

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>>52081277
Get at least one of your players reading the rules front to back with you. 5E has some [MAX LEVEL JANK] editing, for one, and there's an incredible amount of crunch. My last game was really fun and lasted a long time compared to other groups I've had, but it took me and the GM combined to run it because of all the rules. We played the majority of the campaign (~4 irl meatmonths) before we read the rules for the billionth time and realized that they'd updated the combat rules to one attack per combat turn with multiple modes instead of two simple actions/one complex action.
Good luck, omae.

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>>52082862
Sleeping Dogs looks so damn good.

>>52083213
>they'd updated the combat rules to one attack per combat turn with multiple modes instead of two simple actions/one complex action.

Do you mean one attack per action phase?

>>52081459
Superbook?

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>>52083230
inorite? Gameplay could have been better, but it's so atmospheric. Wish you could've done more with the dating mechanics, but eh.
>>52083274
It's a version of the core book with all the fluff stripped out. It's not as helpful as that sounds at first, but it's useful. Should be in the pastebin.

>>52083288
It's not the one with the Master Index, is it?

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>>52083288
Yeah, dating stuff was reportedly rushed, same with the plot I guess.

>>52083310
No, it's literally called the Superbook

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>>52076513
Market Panic. There are a few other mentions of people reversing their age, usually throw away lines by Butch. I can't be fucked digging it up. In Lockdown, it also mentions how they're impossible to kill, regenerating entire limbs, some brain damage, etc.

>>52083317
No, I mean it's not based on the master index version of the core book, is it? Does it even have an index?

>>52077557
Because it's an RPG. You occasionally see hints of culture and 'daily life', and the books are popular, but they don't add much to the game. It's a GM thing to push.

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>>52083310
Same folder, further down. Shadowrun_5E_Superbook.

>>52083351
>In Lockdown, it also mentions how they're impossible to kill, regenerating entire limbs, some brain damage, etc.
I cbf looking it up to quote; isn't that also the one where they're no longer talking about the original CFD nanites, instead focusing on the nanite-infected dragon shit that caused the Boston lockdown?

>>52083316
>Think that I like Amanda, she seems alright despite clearly having yellow fever, yay emma stone voice
>Go on no more dates
>end of game, realise that there wasn't any more content
FFFFF-

How is Psyche taken? The book doesn't specify. I always imagined it was snorted (mostly because I like the imagery of my mage snorting a line or two off the dashboard of the getaway vehicle right before a run).

>>52083401
Surprisingly, no. I'll say straight up that the listed headcase isn't a lockdown one, she's probably patient 0-10 of the original CFD infection.

Basically, they have to burn body/strength to heal an entire limb in a second or so, and then eat 10kg of protein laden meat (Mm, flesh!) to get that stat point back. It's called Rapid Healing vs regular Faster Healing, but they're allowed to have both.

Actual ruloes are "Reduce body or strength by 1 point, repair (attribute rating*10) boxes of physical damage before needing to spend another point from their attributes." with examples like burning strength 6 gives 60 boxes of super-fast regen, and as soon as they eat that meat and take a bit of a rest their body is back up to scratch. It does mention that Boston headcases are especially damage resistant except vs electricity, so make of that what you will, but it doesn't say that other headcases don't develop that power. Below that section, it talks about how 'any injury can be healed' and the whole thing about how the real personality is never actually gone. Page 203 of lockdown.

>>52083422
You eat it. So probably in tabs or other chewable forms.

>>52083254
It's been a minute since I played last. We were basically taking double attacks, so I think so.

>>52083415
>Go on no more dates
You done fucked up.

Originally, reportedly, there was supposed to be the option to date one and leave the rest, but development was rushed to get it out for a certain date (think it was a Christmas release or something) and they ended up culling all the dating back and giving this "Wei ain't got no commitment" moral to the dating stories. So yeah, you restricted yourself and missed out on gameplay bonuses for no reason.

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>>52083361
Oh. No. It got abandoned a while back because Reddit cannot into completing things.
>>52083422
Vector's ingestion, I've always had it in my head as little crystalline pills.

>>52083511
Figured that out when I went back for a second play through. Whoops.
>dating content cut
Which is a real shame, given the way the game played out. The classic triad abduction probably would have ended up like poor old Heather from Vampire: Bloodlines, but damn would it have been a great ending. Or if she ended up rescued and delivered by Aunt Jiang once it was determined that Wei wasn't going werewolf on her.

>>52083504
>>52083564
That's good to know. I can probably just crush the pills and snort them, then. Thanks anons!

>>52083490
FFS ... fine. I'll straight up say you're wrong.

198-201 is standard CFD.

201- 203 is Lockdown CFD.

You can tell this by reading the headings.
>THE STANDARD CFD VIRUS
Attribute boost, toxin resistance, and adrenal control is here.
>LOCKDOWN CFD
Fucking around with meat and healing is here.

>>52083608
If Trance has anything like the ingredient profile of meth or heroin , you might be better off swallowing it. It's still incredibly harmful, but it has the least side effects, compared to snorting or smoking.

>>52082586
Funnily enough, right in the core book of 4e you were given three separate ways to fix that.
Again; the devs never read the 4e rules.

>>52083608
It could also be gotten as a liquid (also an Ingestion vector way of doing drugs), in which case you can probably do shenanigans to get it working other ways.

>>52083608
Inhalation != Ingestion in SR.

>>52083634
Despite the fact that it only gives lockdown cfd specific rules for the headcase hackers through ragers/manipulators/the other one, and then goes on to show those extra powers are a natural 'evolution' of the CFD virus as a whole, without directly referencing strain.

Sure.

>>52083683
Actually, scratch that, I am retarded. It does reference strain. It flat out says in the new section that the abilities like rapid healing, damage resistance, etc, are available to all headcases, with the usual caveat about the gm making the final choice.

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>>52083566
Yeah, the whole ending kinda rushed to something that was pretty unsatisfactory, you could actually feel the publisher breathing down the dev's neck.

>>52083645
What were those rules? When we played 4e that's all our hacker ever did; stay at home or in the van...

>>52083704
>Actually, scratch that, I am retarded
I'm beginning to agree.

>can be available
>at the gamemaster’s discretion.
It's an optional thing. Everywhere else talks about the differences between strains, while this is just thrown in to make new stuff available to GMs.

>>52083781
>"It's not for anything but Lockdown strain!"
>"No, it says it there that they're all evolving similar abilities."
>"It's just for GMs!"
Like, you know, the entire CFD virus.

>>52083816
Agreement rising. How are you not just shitting straw everywhere?

>"It's for the Lockdown strain."
>"No, it's for everything."
>"In the section that says 'GMs can use these abilities outside the lockdown, at their discretion, if they want to amp up their headcases with "this tome of madness."'"

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>>52083912
See
>>52083634
The part where you say "You're wrong, it isn't for regular cfd". And then, you know, see attached for that section. You know, where they list them as abilities for both, rather than 'only lockdown cfd'.

Wait, so you are telling me the CFD has some of the most inconsistent and shitest writing CGL can muster?

>>52083965
Oh, no, this is honestly a pretty good effort for them. There's hardly more than a handful of typos and formatting errors in the entire book.

>>52083944
Already covered this, and the pictures don't seem to be helping you realise it.
See >>52083781

>>52083985
>FFS ... fine. I'll straight up say you're wrong.
>198-201 is standard CFD.
>201- 203 is Lockdown CFD.

Except it isn't. The abilities are listed in a communal section. The abilities are not just for 'lockdown cfd'.

>>52084013
>can be available
>at the gamemaster’s discretion
This is not the same as what you're trying to present them as.

>>52084028
>These cannot be used by anything but lockdown CFD".

>>52084047
We've reached total agreement, chummer.

>>52084097
If that's what you want to delude yourself with.

>>52084124
>Actually, scratch that, I am retarded
>I'm beginning to agree.

>>52080961

I was hoping it would become obvious, like they'd see some guys acting shady, since the other hit team will probably be using the same entryways as the players, as they have similar goals.

I wouldn't mind hearing a better idea, since honestly, I haven't put much thought into it.

>>52081355

Have you ever been depressed? It's hard to give a shit about anything. I believe cyberpsychosis is a lot like depression. Romance isn't going to fucking fix that.

>>52064249
Cars. Classics, new stuff, parts, kits.
Same for trucks, motorcycles, and drones. Not even combat drones, just tinker-level shit that walks in circles and plays a tune.

Building better cyberware, to sell to his stree doc.

Building new gun, refurbishing old guns, losing his shit over stuff from the early 20th, late 19th centuries.

My runner is a mecanic first, rigger second, drone swarm third.

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>>52081277

You can read about the basics, but if you ever have any questions, or just want a fucking step-by-step how to guide just to get some training wheels, you're always welcome here.

I've run games online for a long while now. Took me years before I was any good. Not saying you won't be good starting out, but don't be afraid to admit you don't know what you're doing, and talk with your players about it, eh?

>>52064249
Rent and groceries so she doesn't have to get shot at again for the third time in a month.

A friend of mine who got banned wants to know what's been going on lore wise with the California protectorate. Is it an abandoned bit of lore? Is it still going? Has it eaten itself yet?

>>52085847
What did he get banned for?

>>52085847
Abandoned for now.