Arms and Armour thread

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>>52060242
I'm at the cusp of starting. I got myself a Fokos with a medieval axe head already, but Neil Burridge is currently not interested or economically and/or psychologically unable to cast and finish Hallstatt C Mindelheims. So I guess I'll get another Fokos and an Arma Epona La Tene sword with a scabbard first.

Then it's either an Albino's Auxilia Spatha or one of this Spaniard's Spathas.

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>>52060242
Post your sword-fu.

I've got a 13th century 1 1/2 hand sword and my brother has a Landskneckt's two handed that we got for our 21sts, but that's about it unfortunately

I've taken up the arduous and thankless task of hand-making chainmail from pop-tabs. Does anyone know how I can shape it into a proper coif and shirt, instead of just a sheet?

>>52061698
Bronze age armor is always so silly

>>52062460
The art's kinda shit there, which makes it a lot worse.

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>>52060242
>Does anyone here actually collect historical weapons, or should I look to /k for that?

Sure. Which period? Functional or sport?

/k/ is mostly reserved for modern firearms, but even then, only after 11pm.

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>>52062708
It was also a relatively new tech. Only a few hundred years of design rather than a few thousand.

Pic is an original Masai Seme shortsword from Africa, ground out of a larger British Machete.

>>52064166
>Masai Seme shortsword
I read that as Meme shortsword at first.

>ground out of a larger British Machete
Why would they do that?

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>>52064166
>Why would they do that?
Because reasons.

Next up is one of my Tuareg knives. They make awesome blades, and will trade pretty easily.

>>52064216
STEEL

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lads anyone know where to get an accurate early middle ages sword ("viking" is what most wall call it) that comes sharp and has the correct sized handle? what most people don't realise is that swords of the period are supposed to fit tightly in the hand, the hilt and the pommel are supposed to be right next to your hand when you grip it. every sword i've seen has a few inches of space below the hand to the pommel when the sword is gripped.
i want it to be cheap but i don't mind paying a bit, and it would be good for the company to ship to bongland.

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>>52064403
self post but also the sword would be best battle ready as well. will bump with more weapons and armour.

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>>52064451

>>52064403
Check out Albion. They're pricey but worth it.

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Kind cheating, because its my work sword, but my Type II infantry Hanger repro.

>>52064403
What particular period, what purpose, and whats your budget.

Living in Bongistan will make it difficult.

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>>52064464
thanks

>>52064467
early medieval period, norse, anglo saxon, continental germanic, just a germanic sword, and a sharp sword for cutting. budget is potentially £900

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>>52064588
end of bump

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>>52060242
>>52064494

I'm a early/high medieval reenactor, living in the UK. Also that bloody pic of Varangians is full of errors.

>>52064542
I know that chap

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Only the one in my hands is mine, but a pic of me trying to teach people at a pirate festival how to use boarding pike...

>>52064464
Albion is not worth the money for a casual collector.

>>52064494
It may be better worth your time and money to buy parts and make one to best suit your needs. Hawei's practical viking blades are actually quite decent, and I can list you dozens of repro hilt hardware producers.

You'd just have to make the handle.

https://raymonds-quiet-press.myshopify.com/collections/viking/sword is my first suggestion

>>52064522
Thats clearly a Gaulacian Celt.

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>>52064494
Ian Pierce's "Swords of the Viking Age" is the go to text, covering the various types of blade & pommel with a lovely catalogue of examples to choose from. It's very accessible and has all the information you need to get into the world of VA swords. Other good books are Ellis-Davidsons "Sword in Anglo-Saxon England" and Oakeshott's "Record of the Medieval Sword".

Petersen's seminal work is not available in English but a partial translation can be found here: http://www.vikingsword.com/petersen/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Swords-Viking-Age-Ian-Peirce/dp/1843830892/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1488929713&sr=1-1-fkmr2&keywords=swords+of+the+viking+age+pierce

I'll echo the suggestion of Albion if you have money to burn and care about an accurate and quality sharp sword.

The cheaper option is Armour Class. They offer both sharp and blunts for fighting. However AC swords do suffer from the grips being overly long and generally not being as good; also always choose the 5cm blades as the 3.8cm width blades are not accurate for Viking Age swords.

http://www.armourclass.co.uk/Data/Pages/DarkAge_Main.htm

(Also ignore the "seax" at the bottom of the page as it is beyond shite in every way)

If you really hate your bank account Paul Binns is the way to go. However he is no longer accepting orders and makes new stock according to whimsy then advertises it on FB, where they get snapped up within minutes. They are that good.

http://www.paul-binns-swords.co.uk/Collectors_Swords.html

Heron Armoury is also worth considering. His reenactment swords are quite good (both my swords are his), but I can't personally speak to the quality of his sharps. He will make them however and can produce some stunning work if you throw enough cash at him (arranging to visit his workshop in Kent helps if you want something special).

http://heronarmoury.com/

Finally, if you are tempted by the reenactment life check out https://regia.org/.

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Everyone is asleep, post stylish helmets

>>52061602
Why is Sting sitting in an Imperial Chinaman's waist sash?

>>52061650
Ha, Dominicans, you crazy buggers.

>>52064494
>That bent-to-shit spear shaft

Jesus. Season and bind your wood, people.

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Remember that leather armor is unique in that you can actually carve into it without weakening it too badly, where metal armor is too thin.

Why do maces seem much more popular in all time periods in the "middle area" of Persia and India, while never seemed as popular to the East or West?

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>>52060242
Really, Op?

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>>52061618

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>>52068124
Except leather armour, as /tg/ and pop culture think of, is not really a thing in reality for a reason.

The cost of production, utility and functionality was just not valid.

>>52068182
Symbol of authority.

Question for the thread:
Why do you think things like Linothorax died out?
Not only just that general shape of armor, but also how it's made (some sort of layered fabric hardened with glue.)

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>>52068920
It died out because it offered limited protection. Although cheap and easy to produce you leave a lot of vulnerable places on your warriors. It's great for a bunch of guys standing with huge shields or massive pikes keeping the enemy away... but should the enemy get close or get around that shield it was most likely they were going to cut you. Bad.

Better to provide armor with better all over protection. Like maille. Although more labor intensive and expensive, your warriors would be better protected.

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>>52069080
It also was very... revealing. Better access to boipucci I guess. Hellenistic people were constantly banging one another

>>52064688
>>52068331
I know it's not great, but it looks nice and seems more practical than some.
Also has anyone used/bought http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=200628&name=Padded+Coif
?
It seems a bit thin, but that's one of the few proper coifs I've found. Admittedly I'm not sure where all to look that might provide functional items, but still.

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>>52068392
It did exist, just not often whole suits of it like in fantasy. You see it most often in greaves and jerkins, or even just smaller parts. Though I think it was more popular in the Middle East and China.

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>>52061602
Shame that modern day Chinese dramas/movie forgo historical accuracy.

There's plenty of reference material from Wujing Zongyao for Song era armaments.

>>52062708
>The art's kinda shit there, which makes it a lot worse.
Osprey isn't known for accurately depicting Chinese armaments(with the exception of Qin and Tang drawings derived from archaeological finds).

http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/11/101st-post-p2.html

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I'm a bit curious, was the kusarigama actually a thing?

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>>52070476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXesoopsWGE

>>52070476
yes. twas a rare weapon, to be sure, but it actually worked as intended during the occasional ninja night raids and assassinations on samurai forces.

its not like they took to the field of battle in waves with it. if there were say 1000 ashigaru, being led by 10-20 samurai and the samurai outnumbered the ninja on an order of like 30 to 1, then there might be 1 ninja in 20 to use a kusari-gama,

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THIS IS HOW REAL MEN DRESS YOU PANSY ASS LITTLE DICK WAFFLES!

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>>52070776

>>52070279
With what w know, that image is almost certainly of splinted defenses, and the few record/extant pieces otherwise are rare exceptions.

It simply wasn't as good, or as cost effective. Better the leather was used for saddles, boots etc.

>>52070791
Please tell me this is genuine.

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>>52070816

>>52069095
>Greek armor was... short.jpg

Time to break the bad news to you: All breastplates are pretty damn small.

>>52070882
Just imagine him saying 'For the honor of Japan' in a stereotypical accent and a serious tone

>>52070863
I remember that one being made in the early 00s.

>>52069095
Big vagina!

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is anyone interested in me posting some chapters of sasama yoshihiko's nihon no katchu bugo jiten? (pdf)
its an oldish japanese armor manual that has recently had parts translated
it is quite informative, you know if your into that sort of thing

>>52071143
Please do, this is very relevant to my interests at the moment.

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>>52071254
my apologies i seem to have forgotten that there is an eight mb limit on pdfs there are around fifty or so
these links will have to do

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3jW7q94HJtQWlI1eVZJbzBBR0k/view?pref=2&pli=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3jW7q94HJtQR1BfQnNhZ2VldGM/view?pref=2&pli=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3jW7q94HJtQc1c0dl9EUWJlbHc/view?pref=2&pli=1

>>52071399
Oh baby, keep talking dirty to me. Thanks for sharing.

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>>52071418
not a problem

>>52060242
I have really always want ed a springsteel sword with a rapier blade and a broadsword style basket hilt.

>>52071143
>is anyone interested in me posting some chapters of sasama yoshihiko's nihon no katchu bugo jiten? (pdf)

Be still my boner.

>>52060242
I have a suit of armor.

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Apologies for breaking the Samurai-train but can anyone explain to me why the used tried muskets for early grenade launchers when muskets would have gotten over the issue of firing the weapon resulting in accidentally igniting and explode the grenade still in barrel.

>>52073060
when crossbows would have gotten over the issue, not muskets, apologies.

>>52068920
>(some sort of layered fabric hardened with glue.)

Linothoraxes were never glued, that is entirely made up and is on par with studded leather.

Actual textile armours never died out, it's just you know them as gambesons but a rose by any other name and all that.

As for why the shape of tube-and-yoke armour died out, the Greek world had a slight Roman infestation for a while. That rather curtails the use of any wargear the legions didn't fancy pinching for themselves.

http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=32137

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As polearm maces and the likes were mentioned at the end of the previous thread, but not posted due to the image limit, here are a few.

>>52073066
Dunno.

On possibility is that premature detonation due to the firing was a rare enough issue (when things were properly handled at least) that bothering to fix it wasn't really necessary. Or, when it was seen as worrying, the plan B of choice was to just throw the grenades by hand, since they often did that anyway.

Another possibility is that the thought of regressing to such a backwards weapon was either seen as ridiculous, or just not imagined.

And while bullet crossbows did and do exist, perhaps the geometry of launching such a wide projectile makes things bothersome, especially when it's also a rather heavy one.

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>>52073060
I am not sure what you're getting at, because the grenade of solid iron is unaffected by the shot, and the fuse of the grenado is hanging out the end of the barrel already lit. They are actually quite safe.

>>52073066
A crossbow held in the hand could never match the distance or force of a blackpowder charge when throwing a three-pound iron ball.

>>52073629
I have never once read of ANY premature detonations of hand mortars. The fuse of the grenado hangs well out of the barrel, and is a crawl-fuse anyways.

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Were Japanese firearms actually better than European equivalents?

>>52077273
I think I recall that the Japanese versions tended to be better weather proofed.

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did people paint their cuirasses like they did helmets?

I've been sketching out a design for my cuirass based on my coat of arms(purple grapes on a sable field with a blue pall) while bored. I'm afraid that it'll look like shit though

>>52077273
Nips made too thick barrels so they were heavier.

>>52073570
>Linothoraxes were never glued
Really? So what, were they just banded metal that was painted or covered in cloth? They were clearly rigid.

>>52073570
I was under the impression it was quilted and then just drizzled over with glue and left to dry to harden it.
I dun' goofed didn't I?

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anyone know why they would make these pyramids? It seems like they would make blunt force weapons catch

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>>52084142
If you bodyslam opponents, it will hurt more.
Duh.

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WEEBS GET OUT

NO CO-PROSPERITY SPHERE

I've got a full suit of chain, Templar helm, and a tabard, anyone know of somewhere better than Kult of Athena to buy a battle ready heater shield and a mace?

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>>52073655
I would lose my mind in a place like that..its like a medieval candy shop

>>52084044
Isnt this the same weapon used by that shogunate assassin in samurai champloo?

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>>52084142
Probably reinforces things.

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>>52084771

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>>52084237
soo you want nanban-gusoku?

>>52084333
Where'd you get your chainmail from?

Looking at allbeststuff for myself but I'm curious.

>>52085667
Got the suit and coif from castle marksburg when I was in Germany. It may not be battle ready but it's mostly for costume purposes. Chain chausses I ordered from Amazon and they're battle ready. Same with the helm

>>52085892
>bought straight from a castle
Damn, anon.

Good luck with that shield and mace.

>>52085970
It was 100% an impulse buy at the time, and I probably looked like a huge tourist (not saying I wasn't one though) but after carrying 20-30 pounds of metal down a mountain and walking back to the hotel with it and then lugging it around the country, I became determined to use it

>>52086036
Hooooo boy did airport security not like it, too

>>52077273
Looong time since I brushed up on my sengoku period stuff, but I think the deal was the Japanese actually got pretty good at mass producing reliable, effective firearms. They weren't *better*, but there were a ton of them being efficiently produced and deployed. I read once that, at its height, there may have been *more* firearm equipped troops in Japan than in Europe!

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>>52061618

>>52084377
>medieval

Nothing medieval in that collection. Also it's pretty boring in reality, as it's just rows and rows and rows of weapons.

>>52086160
>I read once that, at its height, there may have been *more* firearm equipped troops in Japan than in Europe!

From what I gather, that's about as much of a western legend as is them "giving up the gun".

>>52084142
>>52084178
>>52084771
They imitate then-current fashion.

>>52084030
>armour of barrel
>every roll you do will automatically be a barrel roll

>>52082548
>They were clearly rigid.

You can try quilting yourself if you care to see how right cloth can get with enough stitches...

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>>52070515
Literally all of the things you just said came out of your asshole.

>>52086798
>Linothorax was just a type of gambeson, not ancient Kevlar.
What? Seriously? You have anything to back that up?

>>52086901
Kevlar vests are a type of fabric armour yes, but the spolas used by the greek apparently was mainly made of leather... so there's a lot of your basic rigidity. It was the Persians and other people from further east who used linnen to make theirs.

>>52087672
Regardless, what does this have to do with the claim made by >>52086798 that linothorax is just quilted cloth?

Whether the Greeks used leather and the Persians used linen is irrelevant to the claim that linothorax armor was just quilted linen. And that's what I was wanting evidence for.

>>52087746
From what I gather, the main issue gluing would face is that there are no ancient water-proof glues.

Meaning that sweating could be your undoing.

>>52087959
From what understand, the glue was made from rabbit skin.

What makes you think it was against bare skin though?

But I'm not arguing about how well it would have worked, I'm asking for something to back up the claim that it never existed and was really just ancient quilted armor.

>>52061612
stop watching porn

>>52060242
I want to start, but eh. I'd want >>52064451
so I can go around the neighborhood creeping people out

>>52086754
Wikipedia says that Sengoku Era japan had more firearms per habitant than European countries

>>52088846
What's Wikipdia's source on the claim?

>>52089328
>apan became so enthusiastic about the new weapons that it possibly overtook every European country in absolute numbers produced.[9] Japan also used the guns in the Japanese invasion of Korea in 1592, in which about a quarter of the invasion force of 160,000 were gunners.[
>Perrin, Noel (1979). Giving up the Gun, Japan's reversion to the Sword, 1543–1879. Boston: David R. Godine. ISBN 0-87923-773-2.

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>>52083837
>I dun' goofed didn't I?

Nah, it's one of those claims about ancient armour that gets repeated all the time. It's only when you pull the thread that you realise the whole thing got started when an armchair historian looked at a vase one day and plucked the idea of glue from thin air.

>>52087746
There is literally no evidence for the use of glue. None. At all. It's all based on the conjecture of one guy who thought that plain old quilting on the shoulder flaps was not "springy" enough to match the artwork so clearly glue was used.

The fact that the so-called linothoraxes (which is a neologism) might actually have been leather, which side-steps the springy linen issue and thus the foundation of the entire glue hypothesis, is incidental to the fact that correctly quilted linen can be made to match the artwork. There is no need to resort to phantoms of glue when the apparent problem of quilted linen not matching the artwork doesn't exist because A) it can and B) it's quite likely it's leather being depicted and not any sort of linen glued or otherwise. The question of whether the Greeks used leather is entirely relevant as the glue theory only exists to solve a supposed problem of Greek armour in Greek art.

I'll repeat; there is literally no evidence for glue ever being used by anyone at any time in this way. The only reason to think that glue might be involved is the inertia of decades of misinterpretation. "just quilted cloth" as used by everyone else might not be as sexy and unique as glued armour, but that's reality for you. It's time to put it in the same draw as studded leather and banded mail, as fantasies based on misinterpretation of art rather than credible theories. Where linen armour was used, it was made by quilting which is attested by both texts and finds from many different cultures.

http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=32137

This thread goes into detail about the myth of glue, and the argument for leather hoplite armour.

>>52073570
>As for why the shape of tube-and-yoke armour died out, the Greek world had a slight Roman infestation for a while

Roman mail and plate armour retained the tube-and-yoke style for centuries though.

>>52089404
Yes, that book's 'that' source of legends about guns and Japan. The author seemed mentally incapable of wrapping his mind around a couple of hundreds of years of established peacekeeping policies common to all three chinese-influenced polities. It's probably something genetic.

>>52090128
>The author seemed mentally incapable of wrapping his mind around a couple of hundreds of years of established peacekeeping policies common to all three chinese-influenced polities
Please developp

>>52084080
Such a long kissaki (tip). Is it supposed to be some sort of armor cracker?

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>>52070476
Yes, and it was common enough to have multiple variations.

>>52070882
pic related

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>>52090152
That blade style is called osoraku zukuri, unique to tanto as far as I know. I've never heard anyone associate it with anti-armour work.

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For anti-armour work, here's a "yoroidoshi". Hira zukuri shape as most tanto. Reasonably pointy, but not excessively so IMO.

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What set it part form tanto in general is the extremely thick spine, as shown by the habaki here.

>>52090514
Woah how much did it weigh ? Seems heavy for its size

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>>52090533
No idea, but as it's very thick it'd naturally also have to be quite heavy for it's length and width.

>>52070325
ah, an adeptus astartes from the white scars, a most honored chapter indeed!

>>52081770
wut does this say?

>>52090596
"I fucked your mom, lol"

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>>52090087
Rereading what I posted, I think I could have worded things better.

What I meant was that regardless of whether the Greeks used linen or leather in the spolas, the use of non-metallic armour in the Greek-style stopped due to Roman occupation.

However I'm not at all sure that you could call lorica hamata tube-and-yoke, since the construction is so different despite the visual similarities. Hamata is essentially a complete shirt with very short sleeves, the shoulder guards are a double layer of mail to protect a vulnerable spot and do not have the same structural purpose as the shoulder flaps on a spolas. You could remove the hamata shoulder flaps and still have a functional shirt of mail, whereas the spolas flaps are the only thing connecting the front and back of the armour at the top, and without them the shoulders are bare. There is also the fact that hamata is a complete garment simply slipped on over the head as opposed to the spolas which opens up at the side and has to be laced shut.

Segmentata is a lot closer to tube-and-yoke construction but there are a few differences between it and a spolas, not least in how the armour opens up. However even if we do consider segmentata to be the last gasp of tube-and-yoke in Europe it's the decision of the Roman military machine to abandon it in favour of all mail all the time which kills tube-and-yoke.

>>52090152
>>52090152
Basically disarmament is the most fundamental first step in sino-asian peace policies and has been the standard practice well back into late antiquity in Japan. The book paints the unification-era disarmament as something unheard of and novel for god knows what reason, IIRC.

He seems to be unaware that not only is the policy an established one, but one that makes a lot of sense within the political context of the country. In feudal Japan, commoners erected barricades and took up arms as the first step whenever they rightfully or wrongly felt their rights were being encroached upon - most of the infamous trouble Heiankyo had with monks were probably such protests of armed commoners, to name a famous example.

Author glosses over that pretty damn hard.

The weapon bans generally also covered all weapons held by non-state actor and didn't specifically single out guns in any way, shape or form, so the whole thing very much reads like somebody projecting their US American issues with guns shooting freedoms and what not on early modern Japan.

I can't recall what the issues with his number were, but I think they're grossly inflated and not actually that impressive when compared to what the Euros were pumping out around the same time. I mean, they were high for an asian polity that wasn't the Ottomans and they were apparently absolutely remarkable for the far east but they were nowhere close to having enough guns for everybody and their mums as he claims.

>>52090985
>However I'm not at all sure that you could call lorica hamata tube-and-yoke, since the construction is so different despite the visual similarities.

Which is why I specifically wrote "style".

>>52086731
>rows and rows and rows of weapons
>boring

>>52091228
You seemto have a problem with the views of the author, but your argumentation about the fact we're talking about seems a bit weak.
Now by all means I'm no expert on the question, nor have I read his book, but if you have more precise numbers and comparisons to western countries at the time I'd be interested in seeing them.

>>52086731
Actually this is from the XIII-XVII section of the Musée des Armées in Paris. This arsenal is next to a corridor that you use to continue the visit.
Picture this : You walk in that white corridor, on the left you have multiple late medieval/renaissance cannons (couleuvrines, etc.) while on the right you have windows that let you see in that arsenal full of weapons and armors facing toward the corridor, looking at you.
You feel like all of them are staring at you.

This shit was amazing. Probably the thing that I miss the most from Paris.

>>52091239
>Which is why I specifically wrote "style".

That's playing semantics at best; it's an seperate armour type in both material and construction so entirely irrelevant and misleading to bring up in relation to the decline of tube-and-yoke armour.

>>52091476
>You seemto have a problem with the views of the author, but your argumentation about the fact we're talking about seems a bit weak.

Well I can't access his facts right now and the only data I got from internet searches is stuff like fragmentary data on registered sales in Suhl vs Sakai (where Sakai apparently peaked at 2500/year, Suhl managed to push out between 3000-6000 on single orders...)

>>52091515
>Actually this is from the XIII-XVII section of the Musée des Armées in Paris.

Those shots and the weapons stored look like Graz to me, so pics or it didn't happen.

>>52092549
Could be, I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of setup is used in different places.

>>52089950
>that article about the myth of glue.
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Good to know.