Pathfinder General /pfg/

Building off of one anon's post about giving the Magus more fun stuff

>Arcanas that act like Reserve feats from 3.5e

and

>As part of Spell Combat (so that other archetypes that steal it can make use of it) letting you apply rider effects like a monk's Style Strike but better

How does this change the Magus?

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So, after Avowed was nerfed and then promptly ejected from Dragons 2 I've been left trying to fill the void in my soul and my build. It took me a while but I think I've finally found a combination that I like in the form of Daevic || Brutal Stalker. While it will mean that Aurora has to wear a little armour like some kind of filthy rogue pleb, it's not a bad idea. Generally she's going to be built around bull rushing people and then punching them in the head in various ways while she does so, which is something the Daevic can do exceptionally well.

The divide, and therefore the dilemma that I'm facing is currently natural weapons vs unarmed strikes. With my build as it stands I gain no improved unarmed strike or improved damage dice on my punches, but I get a lot of access to natural weapons. If I take the unarmed strike route I get less attacks and my ability to do the interesting things with bull rushing is delayed by a level due to a monk dip but it allows me to pick up Dragon Style and Dragon Ferocity at Level 3. This means that I will be punching very, very hard indeed. In fact, in an ideal scenario I will be punching at +8 for 1d6+14 damage at level 3, 1d6+11 on subsequent punches.

The question is, does it feel too cheesy? Does taking a one-level dip into monk for such a big power spike feel exploitative? Should I delay the more interesting play style to stay more true to the 'brawler' concept?

Making characters is hard.

>>52034246

>Daevic
I would point out that Eagle was pretty ambivalent about Akashic content in general, so I wouldn't commit to that.

>>52034014
Self-shilling here as well since this thread has a title.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70930/curse-of-the-lazy-throne

>>52034246
I mean, Rory is taking a dip into Martial Artist Monk (he learned a little bit of technique and discipline while sailing with a Vudran guru) in order to get Wis-to-AC. It shouldn't be THAT bad. Go for it.

I wanna die

>>52034277
He said he was fine with it in Roll20, with the proviso that if I go crazy on it I'll get nerfed into the floor which is exactly what I'd deserve anyway.

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>>52034295
If you hate yourself that much, then you're jest the person we need to run a game.

>>52034246
Beastsoul Monk SoP-E

>>52034320
i'm already running one and feel like i'm bad at it

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Jesus, that latest Dragongame app.

Somehow less readable than the other backstories, and not even fuckable.

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>>52034337
If your players show up, then you're not doing bad.

Ask one of them to take over the game for a session, so you can have a break.

>>52034364
Where can I read these?

>>52034389
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4691134/character-applications

A few good ones, but some real stinkers too.

>>52034388
I've had breaks, i'm just sort of frustrated because the fan was shit by shit last night cause one of my players went autism, and I just.. I dunno what to do

>>52034364
>Somehow less readable than the other backstories
Bullet points are way more readable than walls of text

>and not even fuckable.
Not gonna argue there

>>52034397
>https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4691134/character-applications
>30 applications so far

jesus

>>52034411
>The draconic crime boss took Kork's brother and with him something magical. On his death bed Kork's father told him on his death bed that he and his dragon brother have to get their other brother back.
>On his death bed Kork's father told him on his death bed that he and his dragon brother have to get their other brother back.
>On his death bed Kork's father told him on his death bed

>>52034414
A bit less since some faggots didn't just reuse their posts, but yeah it might beat out WotR.

Still more than a week to go, and there were apparently some faggots making a triple application with siblings.

>>52034414
I was thinking about doing a one-by-one review of all of them as we get closer to the deadline.

>>52034453
>>52034455
i might try to app myself, since i actually know how to make characters, but i don't know what i'd even make or play.

>>52034435

Clearly, Kork was sitting on his father's deathbed while his father was on his deathbed.

>>52034414
Some are still blank

That assassin game had more applications

>>52034435
Thank you for catching that, fixed it.

I'll do a quick proof reading at some point I obviously missed a lot.

>>52034320
I ran a game for 5 years and it went great all the way to the conclusion. I picked up a game from a different GM that dropped for a good few months and only stopped that when one player had to bail and two others were brain dead and terrible thatguys, and I'm still running two games in other systems.

Can't I actually be a player in a game that runs more than two sessions?

>>52034492
yeah

I dunno

The only thing I have in my head for this would be a DD bloodrager and thats just not interesting to me

I wanna die.

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>>52034508
>my /pfg/ campaigns right now

Why would someone make an app so unfuckable? What would possess a man to make a non-punch girl app?

What drives a man to play a dwarf?

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>>52034401
Give it a few days, then come back and tell us how you feel about it.

>>52034508
No, unless you want to play in PFS.

>>52034543
Being DHB?

>>52034543
i don't even want to make a punchgirl

Maybe I can just make a megumin for Dragongame?

do i just remake Rinka? It could be possible

>>52034562
>unless you want to play in PFS.
Even I'm not that far gone.

Maybe I should try something other than pathfinder.

>>52034592

Make a Megumin, I dare you. I double dog dare you.

>>52034453
Roryposting aside I think there's exactly enough good, non-reused submissions to make a functional party.

The hard part is some sameyness with builds, and some people clearly building SAD combat monsters.

I'd personally run with:
>Ivelia
>Ulfric
>Marianne
>Forte
>Rory
>Calsicahedrix

That's two fullcasters (one divine, one arcane), two or three initiators, two faces, two or three vanilla martials, and a few high-int people with different skillsets. Almost everyone is dragon-blooded or a Demesne native, except for the awoo who provides comic relief and excuses to infodump.

Maybe swap Rory or Ulfric for Aurora, but there's a real lack of non-shit (read: fuckable) male apps right now.

>>52034603
I mean I've done it before

Though last time it was RAT and it might be this time again because i have an UNREASONABLE enjoyment of playing Ratfolk.

>>52034615
What, not enough daddy fetish-bait for you?

>>52034595
Try looking at your local gaming store - they usually can tell you what gaming groups are around.

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>>52034615
>but there's a real lack of non-shit (read: fuckable) male apps right now.

Not a whole lot of people are into writing fuckable men.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title

Shilling my game again etc etc. The setting isnt set in stone, but Noiralog is something i'm kinda wanting to try. Failing that I might do eberron or something desu.

>>52034453
>Still more than a week to go, and there were apparently some faggots making a triple application with siblings.
Get hype for the Ara Sisters, coming soon to a demense near you!

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>>52034658
>Failing that I might do eberron or something desu.

>Eberron

Ooh, I've got a character for that!

>>52034615
DHB has wrote an anti-fuckable male app but he has a fuckable dragon brother.

>>52034603
fuckit, i posted to the DM to see if i can convert spellslinger into spheres again

If so, prepare for maximum chuuni

>>52034671
Tell me more about 'em!

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>>52034615
>there's a real lack of non-shit (read: fuckable) male apps right now
Please elaborate. On what, exactly, do you base this opinion?

What would be a good justification for an Erastil worshipper going into a megadungeon?

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What's the most momentous challenge your character has overcome, /pfg/?

>>52034729
"Dagnabbit these gosh-darn dungeon monsters need tah' stahp comin' out here n' killin mah game! Ah'm gonna go out there and ah'm gonna teach them a lesson, ya hear me!"

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>>52034738
My team once fought a vilderavn.

Shit's scary.

>>52034761
fuck those are cool

>>52034761
fucking artorias.

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>>52034729

Generally, the justification for devout Erastileans to go to war/on an adventure is "our home is/will be in danger-we must do something".

>>52034455
I wasn't going to apply but now I might just to fish for a review.

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>>52034729
There is something that threatens his community.

The megadungeon was found near his town, and he has to clear it before more adventurers show up and destroy his town's economy.

>>52034771
On most creatures and characters, it'd just look edgy.

Vilderavn are scary enough that, no, they are actually that intimidating. Those things can tear a party apart.

>>52034761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zk75WJCwbw

>>52034804
How intimidating? And how badly can they wreck a party? I want to know.

Is there a way to simulate being an undead creature/get the undead template?

>>52034833
check out its statblock

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/vilderavn/

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>>52034658
>tfw the idea you helped make and the greetext screencap you assembled out of it led to a game

Feels good man.

>>52034654
>>52034642
The trap is revolting, one of the dragons is a tiny green gremlin and most of them are kind of boring (or unfinished).

I'd like a good-looking dude who's good husband material. That's all.

>>52034709
I enjoy fucking men and none of the guys are my type. That's what I'm basing it on.

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Tell me about your original monsters, /pfg/!

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>>52034202
It depends heavily on a couple things:
>What the effects of those reserve feats/not!style strikes actually are
>how many of them you can get and reasonably keep active at once
>whether or not the not!style strikes actually have a meaningful impact on the class

Stuff like "can make a touch attack at-will that acts like a spell, dealing xd6, where x is the spell in reserve" with the ability to have a spell of whatever element you want for a given spell level? Would probably finally mean the end of Shocking Grasp's Reign of Terror as the default magus spell. So an improvement overall, but still reliant on how the REST of the effects actually act to tell if we haven't just moved to a different kind of cancerous design.

Magus still suffers from design flaws FUCKING ARMOR PROFICIENCY REEEEEEE though, but at least this would be a step forward.

>>52034893
Flying narwhals with magic horns that feed on the aurora. The horns can be eaten for magic or crafted into weapons.

>>52034802
Wouldn't adventurers be a boon to the town economy?

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>>52034687
>Tell me more about 'em!

He's a former Cyran soldier of the Last War assigned to terror campaigns who has spent his post-war years as a born again Paladin of the Silver Flame. He's got hideous burn scars over most of his body and wears a slick-ass silver mask while around folk who might think twice about talking to the bacon-man!

>>52034853
Jesus Christ those are brutal. I do NOT want to fight one of those.

>>52034908
>the horns can be crafted into weapons.

What special effect did the horns material add to the weapon?

how do i make a rat fit into a dragon campaign anyways

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>>52034658
>Noiralog
>reverse Golarion

is Lamashtu the Mother of Beastfolk or the Mother of Monstergirls?

>>52034900
It makes about as much of a change as Sphere Magus.

Still pretty sad that all magus has going for it to stay in class is 'avoiding horrible limitations'

>>52034875
ikr? It's legitimately hard to choose between this and eberron, although, as I say that, it could be a good excuse to introduce Spelljammers as a thing for the party... AKA, why not both?

>>52034920
>Cyre
>In any capacity
This pleases the DM because now I have an excuse to make the party go towards the mournlands at least once. Good man.

>>52034937
whynotboth.jpg

>>52034892
If you really think that everybody else is boring, why not just make your own husbando?

I'm angry! Angry about DHB!

>>52034924
Just imagine one hunting a party down,

>>52034929
The way I had it is that it was cheaper to add magical effects to it. Like it took a quarter off the price of enchantments or something. I imagine that it could be balanced better.

Also the whales can shoot lasers from their horns if they're well fed.

>>52034950
Be angry about the furfag with the bestiality kink instead.

>>52034853
wind stance plus flyby attack for screwing over the less mobile enemies. If you manage to lock down its movement somewhat (my team did) it can still full-attack like a complete beast, and it gets one of the only stacking bleeds in the game so if you don't have healing on hand you might die even if you win.

It has excellent AC on all levels, excellent saves, a laundry list of the best hexes in the game to screw you over with, spell resistance, different shapes it can take, (Ex) truesight, and a fuckhuge CMD

>>52034976
it can also turn into your friends and fuck with you after it eats their fucking hearts out

>>52034976

I want to fight one of these things.

>>52034953
Good god, Paizo published an actually terrifying boss monster. I love it!

>>52034738
Took on a Xacarba and a couple of bebeliths

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Tell me about your background characters that turned out to be significant bad guys.

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>>52034944

It gives you Cyre, the Mournlands, Thrane, and the healing power of the Silver Flame.

>>52034996
Vilderavn is basically a fucking god tier BBEG

>>52034543
>>52034543
>What would possess a man to make a non-punch girl app
Eagle banning Self Avowed is what

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>>52034953
>>52034976
>>52035015

>mfw the DM makes a Vilderavn behind the events of Rise of the Jade Regent

>>52034936
Make her a servant of a dragon, wanting to harness the magical power and artifacts they possess.

>>52035012
The Mournlands are more fun if you're the kinda DM that's into (trying at least) scaring the shit out of his players.

Especially if they're Cyran and wandering into a dead homeland, where no man should enter, let alone one whom lost his country to war.

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>>52034915
For a short time.

Then, the prices go up.

>>52034893
An owlbear that traded its normal feats for Martial Training I and II (Black Seraph).

>>52034976
Fucking Retribution. Failed my Will save against that, and had to resort to trying to disarm/sunder his shit.

>>52035025
>MFW every ally you thought you had is actually a Vilderavn

>ITS VILDERAVNS ALL THE WAY DOWN

>>52035043
>The Vilderavns are all initiators too.

g GOOD GOLLY.

>>52034853
I built one of these against the party but changed its feats around for Martial Training in Cursed Razor.

Had a great time.

>>52035043
Yeah, man. They're all using their soul transformation thingy.

Just give one some initiator levels and you've got yourself the Vilderavns' big boss.

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>>52035034

>Spooky melancholic trip into what is equal parts Resident Evil, The Mist, Silent Hill and a dash of Transformers

FUND IT

Your BBEG is now replaced by a fae couple, of Vilderavns.

One has an extra 8 levels of Harbinger in addition to his baseline stats.

The other is also an 8th level pre-errata Scarred Witch Doctor.

Their bonus feats were all spent on Teamwork feats.

How fucked is your party?

>>52034761
>That armor
>They give edgy name to their swords
>They spend their time infiltrating armies and kingdoms just to torture their commanders and kings until they have nothing more to lose, and only then allows them the freedom of death

I want to say that this is edgy bullshit but it's great.

>>52035134
its so fucking edgy it loops back around to being brilliant

>Charlatanism Hegdewitches can get additional versatile Performances

THIS CHANGES A GREAT MANY THINGS. WHY IS THIS FUCKING TUCKED AWAY BY TERRIBLE PAGE EDITING!?

>>52035095
How would that even pan out?

You are fighting giant psychic robot zombies, but the robot zombie that explodes and screeches touches you on a deeper level as it reminds you of your dead baby, but then you just shoot yourself and your party before the DMPCs arrive?

>>52035142
Yea. You can even play it up as being serious. It's Neutral Evil. The best kind of evil.

>>52035129
How can my BBEG be replaced by creatures that don't exist in the setting?

>>52035134
>They give edgy name to their swords

Swords need edgy names. Swords have a lot of edge, it's kind of their thing.

Heartseeker, Widow's Wail, Oathkeeper, Heartsbane, Silence, Dawn, Longclaw, the list of good names go on.

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So here's a question: It seems to be commonly accepted here that the beguiler conversion in the pastebin is a really good option to scale back the power ceiling of fullcasters. Has anybody tried to do something similar for the other all-spells-known casters (the dread necromancer and warmage)? Wouldn't it be pretty easy to use the beguiler as a template for doing that?

>>52035146
Gee, who pissed in your horrorios?

>>52035172
Add them to the setting because they're fucking awesome

>>52035176
I usually use Lapine to name weapons. It works surprisingly well.

>>52035145
Uh.

It's just in their list of tradition secrets, anon. It's not that hard.

>>52035176
One in my last campaign got named "Troll-Terror", but that was pretty much a gimme--a giant-bane weapon that does acid damage? And we got it right before fighting trolls? C'mon.

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>>52035176

>>52035015
>>52035134
If you're a player and want to include a vilderavn in a game, but can't specifically coerce your GM into putting one in, there's actually a way that's all but guaranteed to get it included.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/twisted-love-story/

>>52035146
>How would that even pan out?

The Mournlands are something... Different. We're talking about a place where sentient spells wander unchecked, bodies slain decades ago still lay fresh where they lay, a land utterly disconnected from the divine as spells fizzle out.

It's a country abandoned by the gods.

>>52035179
I've considered making the equivalents of those for the Psion(split it up into three hyper focused classes), the issue is with the way expanded knowledge works.

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>>52035208

>mfw the fantastic adventures of Pup and Hound are over

JUST IN TIME FOR CLEGANEBOWL, GET HYPE

>>52035191
I really don't see the appeal and fae don't really fit in at all in my setting.

>>52035185
Hollywood. Steam. Japan with their pseudo horror that's just one girl being insane and nothing scary actually happening, but there's lots of suffering and gore, but very little actual horror. Triple A game industry. Short movies which are just gorefests with "ooooh so spooooky" monster designs instead of properly disturbing visuals.

I can keep going down the list, but I need to eat and sleep too.

>>52035212
Tell me more. my interest has been piqued.

>>52035211
Most GMs I've played with don't touch story feats, but eh.

>>52035227
>he doesn't see the appear of a crazy edgy raven knight

???

>>52035239
I don't.

>>52035228
>Tell me more. my interest has been piqued.

>Once, Cyre shone more brightly than any of its sibling nations in the kingdom of Galifar. The Last War took a toll on the nation and its citizens, slowly toppling its many achievements as it became the battleground on which the armies of Karrnath and Thrane and Breland clashed. Finally, disaster struck. No one knows if the catastrophe was caused by a weapon from an enemy nation or a doomsday device of Cyre’s own design. The cataclysm may have been deliberate; it may have been an accident. In the end, the result was the same.

>Beautiful Cyre, jewel of Galifar’s vast holdings, exploded in a blast of arcane power the likes of which hadn’t been seen since the ruin of Xen’drik forty thousand years before. On the Day of Mourning in 994 YK, Cyre disappeared. Now the region that was once Cyre goes by a different, darker name. Now it is simply the Mournland.

>A dead-gray mist hugs the borders of the Mournland, creating a barrier that only occasionally offers a glimpse of the desolation and devastation inside. Beyond the mist, this battle-scarred region remains a grim memory of the Last War, cloaked in perpetual twilight. Like a wound that will not heal, the land is broken and blasted. In some places the ground has fused into jagged glass. In others, it is cracked and burned and gouged. Broken bodies of soldiers from various sides litter the landscape—soldiers whose dead bodies refuse to decompose. The Mournland is, quite literally, a vast open grave.

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>>52035227
>fae don't really fit at all

No offense, but how can faes not fit when faes are probably the most diverse set of creatures?

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>>52034126

>>52035229
My GM actually gave us each one free story feat. They're not all that powerful, and they give him hooks to grab onto in a pinch. We wouldn't have taken them if they cost resources, but as a little benefit that we get in exchange for giving him a string to pull they're great.

>>52035271
Whatever the Fae are, there are some things that the Fae are not.

>>52035228
>>52035261

>In the Mournland, the wounds of war never heal, vile magical effects linger, and monsters mutate into even more foul and horrible creatures. Arcane effects continue to rain upon the land like magical storms that never dissipate.

>Misshapened by the unnatural forces present across the region, monsters rage and hunt as they struggle to survive. Sometimes even some of the dead, animated by strange powers radiating from the blasted ground, rise up to continue fighting the war that has long since ended for the living. In this land of disaster and mutation, a charismatic warforged gathers followers to his side and seeks to build an empire of his own.

The land is poison, the air is filled with noxious mist. The Mournlands are a land stuck in a single drop of time, and that moment is nothing less than hell on earth.

>>52035290
wha

>>52035281
I like that. I feel like everybody should get one story feat for free. Really helps flesh out a character's plans and history.

>>52035271
Humans are pretty much the only intelligent life form in the setting. There are still fairy tales and stuff associated with certain monsters/creatures but fae as in the creature type are not present in the setting. There's no First World or Faewild for them to come from.

>>52035278
I guess he shouldn't have studied the black arts

>>52035323
Well, if it works for you and your group, anon.

>>52035323
>only humans

Jesus fuck kill yourself.

>>52035343
Why?

>>52035176
>Oathkeeper
this one aint so bad IMO.

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What class (for a gestalt) best fits a character that's supposed to have a background as an Aspis Consortium agent?

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>>52035343
Mad you can't play your shota kitsunes?

>>52035349
because humanfags are cancer.

>>52035361
>implying i would ever play a kitsune

human only fags are boring and generally make boring characters

>>52035365
Are you a Grey or Reptilian or something?

>>52035343
lol
>I want a fantasy setting, but without any of the things that make fantasy fantasy.

I think he means he wants a historical fantasy setting. there should really be seperate boards for historic fantasy, classic fantasy, sci-fi, hard sci-fi, and modern fantasy, they are all seperate genres.

>>52035388
reeee

>>52035397
>i want a fantasy setting, but everything must be as realistic as possible, in addition no female characters, only martial classes, and the only god you may worship is the catholic god or you'll be declared an apostate and burned at the stake.

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>>52035372
Thats a very vague and unfounded statement, got anything to back it up, or just toting a biased opinion as if it were fact?

>>52035195
The wiki buried it, is what I'm getting at.

>>52035397
and they contemporary fantasy genre's all have far more readers than classical literature

>>52035359
Unchained Rogue||Ectoplasm/Ghoul/Shadow Bloodline Sorcerer.

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>>52035397
There's some pretty good ways to do the whole Historical Fantasy thing.

>>52035409
You sound sour. Are you feeling okay?

>>52035422
but it is fact.

>>52035436
>using pathfinder for HISTORICAL FUCKERY

Yes i am mildly salted by this retardation

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>>52035409
DEUS VULT :DD

>>52035422
People who play humans only, I can respect. They usually tend to either want to start from humbler beginnings, in a culture they're familiar with, or just with an extra feat and skill point (who doesn't?)

People who want to enforce a humans-only rule, on the other hand, make it really obvious really quickly that they don't enjoy or desire to play Pathfinder. 99 times out of 100, they really only want to play the Game of Thrones fanfiction hour where everyone's a miserable jackass and everything is shitty because fuck you.

No magic, no elves, no monsters, humans only, final destination.

>>52035397
>I think he means he wants a historical fantasy setting
But I don't? I want people shooting fireballs and wielding over sized swords killing monsters and other people with giant swords that shoot lightning bolts. I just don't like 50 kajillion races running around.

I don't get why /pfg/ acts like there isn't a a scale between shota kitsune fairy elves everywhere! and peasants shitting in the mud d20 edition.
>there should really be seperate boards for historic fantasy, classic fantasy, sci-fi, hard sci-fi, and modern fantasy, they are all seperate genres
Except there are plenty of things and fantasy stories that don't fit those paradigms at all.

>>52035436
>>52035430
>>52035409
>>52035397

I think there should at least be seperate boards for horror, sci-fi, and (mythological) fantasy.

>>52035458
I personally prefer more Conan-esque games. There's demons, there's fey creatures and gods and sorcerers and shit, but they're all supremely, incredibly rare, and the heroes are generally intelligent but strong guys and gals fighting the odds.

>>52035506
>LOW MAGIC PATHFINDER XD XD XD

god i hate people.

>>52035458
>>52035444
>>52035409
>>52035489
Do you also tell people infront of you at subway that they can only order your type of sandwich and not the kind that they like?

If you don't like it, don't play in it, if people want to play in it, don't throw a hissy fit just because they want to play something you don't want to.

You're a fucking adult, not a tumblrite.

>>52035495
>humans only

No seriously you fuck yourself

>>52035515
no because i don't go to subway

>>52035495
Then restrict it to core races only. There, I just solved your problem for you--you now have 7 races, two of which are technically still humans except as noted.

>>52035495
>Except there are plenty of things and fantasy stories that don't fit those paradigms at all.

Sure, if you go looking for them. I'd be hard pressed to find one off the top of my head, though. You can just put that one is the "catch all" category for anything else that doesn't fit, probably modern fantasy.

Like a setting based on time travel should basically be modern fantasy.

>>52035129
Not at all.

My Investigator can easily fuck up both of them.

>>52035514
You misunderstand, dude. I'm not saying low magic. I'm saying that magic is unusual for the world. That's a serious difference.

The reason I don't include non-humans in my setting because I have never found a person who can convincingly play a non-human, particularly long lived non-humans in any manner that isn't just a human with a rubber forehead.

People think "dwarf" means putting on a Scottish accent.

Worlds can be strange and otherworldly while not having non-humans. They can be high magic without non-humans.

For anyone who thinks otherwise take a look at The Black Company and the Black Company d20 game.

>>52035539
>i don't include non-humans because i'm an autistic asshole

we get it dude

>people getting pissed at settings without non-humans
Non-humans as playable races was a mistake from the onset. It's turned dozens of races into just "humans with a coat of paint". It's the same fucking reason Star Trek aliens are awful.

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>>52035518
>>52035524
>>52035548
You sound upset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjkNNDuAb9A

I guess what I'm saying is that we should combine the roleplaying forums and contemporary literary forums so we can talk about books as well as RPG's, and we don't have people getting kicked out of forums for discussing related topics.

Like maybe dicussing Terry Pratchets Discworld shouldn't get you banned from /TG just cause its not a roleplaying game. It really doesn't belong on /lit.

>>52035548
>I can't get a stiffy unless I'm an elf
>my character has no personality beyond being an elf

we get it dude

>>52035576
I find it ironic that the person advocating for restrictions on what other people can and should use is telling other people they're being childish.

>>52035537
that is what low magic is.
It means that magic isn't normal.
High magic means people adapt to it and come to think of it as normal.

>>52035584
>REEE YOU CAN'T MAKE AN ELF BECAUSE I'M SO AUTISTIC THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING BUT HUMANS REEE

>>52035584
>>52035586
So you just want the Sidhe stricken from the historical archives?
>>52035586
Have you ever seen the cake mix and noodles video?

>>52035586
>>52035599
If that's what you're taking away from this, then you clearly aren't paying attention to what anyone here is saying but yourself.

>>52035515
>If you don't like it, don't play in it, if people want to play in it, don't throw a hissy fit just because they want to play something you don't want to.

Stop being a bitch.

>>52035586
Oh fuck off. People who shout "banning anything destroys players agency" need to be taken back out and shot. I'm getting fucking flashbacks of the guy who tried to jump into my game who threw a frothing fit when I told him I wouldn't make an exception to let him play and elf.

Having limited class/race lists isn't a bad thing it's just a thing. Can't play unless you're an elf? Then don't apply.

>>52035599
wtf dude, what are you, 5?
we are having a discussion here.

>>52035539
How would you be able to tell if someone can "convincingly" play a non-human? I'm not against GMs who say "humans only", I'm against GMs who defend themselves by giving vague non-answers. An elf or a dwarf might have the same mindsets as a human, or two humans from different countries might have even further differences than two races.

>>52035620
I'm not making historical fantasy. My setting's only pathfinder race is humans. I have a race list but it doesn't overlap with pathfinder's.

>>52035631
Humans only, rangers, Tandak Plains.

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>>52034893
The Gladdy Dag, a gigantic fey that animates dolls to defend it and to dress up in pretty clothes because it's cripplingly lonely

>>52035643
fucking THIS.

how could anyone determine what is a 'convincing' elf without having access to your FUCKING BRAIN

thats what I'm saying though, historical fiction and alternate history are a seperate genre from mythological fiction.

>>52035631
>Having limited class/race lists isn't a bad thing it's just a thing. Can't play unless you're an elf? Then don't apply.

Reminds me of the people who throw bouts of autistic rage when the DM insists, if not requires, all party members to have very specific reasons to be in a certain area, if not be native to the area itself.

People going bonkers because the DM says you need to be a Korvosan to play in Curse of the Crimson Throne when they want to play a Tien samurai from Minkai.

>>52035648
then play mythological fantasy

>>52035663
Ninjas are everywhere, you just can't see them.

>>52035663
No one's complained about that in the current Curse of the Crimson Throne game, fortunately enough.

>>52035663
The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be a samurai from Minkai who also has a reason to be in Korvosa and keep it safe; maybe you're on extended leave from your lord and Korvosa's your Summer Home, maybe your wife is from the city and you want to protect it from evils.

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This entire argument is like shouting at someone that they're a terrible human being for not eating waffles when they're just trying to enjoy a plate of sausage and beans.

Seriously, why the fuck do you care if his setting is 'human-only'? Are you playing in his game? If not then why do you give a flying fuck?

>>52035643
Most of the time I don't include them in the setting so it doesn't come up I have different races knocking about as non-playable.

I had dwarves as nonplayable in a game a whole back and the guy who wanted to play one did not read up on them in the setting and just slapped on a Scottish accent. So I retired his character and told him next time either read the setting notes or don't try and play something like a character they saw on big bang theory.

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>>52035687
>maybe you're on extended leave from your lord and Korvosa's your Summer Home, maybe your wife is from the city and you want to protect it from evils.

But... But Korvosa is literally on the other side of the world from Minkai. And they're level 1.

>>52035690
Again, I don't care if people have settings that are restricted or have limitations. I care that their reasoning is fucktarded.

>>52035699
Maybe you're from a Tien colony.

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Dragongame 2 PCs:

Who would you want guarding your back?

Who would you want watching your kids/house?

Who would you trust to put on a good show?

Who would be the best friend?

>>52035680
Wait so I can't have custom races now and can't limit any races in my setting or I am trampling on player agency?

>>52035524
>Then restrict it to core races only
Except I honestly hate/despise most of the core races.

Why does the idea that you can only be a human bug you so much?

>>52035690
"You can't criticize bad ideas if they don't affect you"

>>52035663
>People going bonkers because the DM says you need to be a Korvosan to play in Curse of the Crimson Throne when they want to play a Tien samurai from Minkai.

See, that makes perfect sense. If your race/class is NOT part of the setting, then you shouldn't get to play as something else.

>>52035685
>>52035687

Curse of the Crimson Throne has Campaign Traits that very clearly make the PCs out as natives.

>>52035714

Tian Xia does not have colonies outside of Tian Xia, except perhaps the notably large population of Tien in the Land of the Linnorm Kings.

>>52035690
Because he then goes and tells me that I'm such an idiot for eating waffles. Don't I know that waffles are made from rat meat? That's fucking disgusting dude, you're eating rat meat. When I go shopping I'm not buying any waffles, you're not allowed to have them. And if you complain it's because you're a fucking retarded rat eating fuck.

>>52035699
Yes? And Level 1 experts in the real world take cruise-ships and modern day wagons (Amtrak trains) across a country or over oceans to meet people.

>>52035719
because i despise playing a human.

>>52035680
Why?

If all the usual fantasy trappings are there, but elves and gnomes and shit aren't around why should have to play a different game?

>>52035732
then they could be from there. Its not that hard to justify it.

Maybe they're from a Tien family IN Korovosa.

>>52035690
I think he (possibly they) are less upset about this specific instance, and more about the overall strawman it represents. Humans only would give me a kneejerk "oh boy another edgy dirtfarmer campaign in the worst possible system for it" reaction, so I can see someone easily getting triggered by that.

Also the reasoning is pretty fucktarded, not going to lie.

>>52035737
Why?

Do you dislike being a human irl? Why do you hate being a pretend human person but not a pretend dwarf person or kender person?

>>52035704
Why do you care? You're not going to play in their games anyways?

>>52035725
The idea that it's a bad idea is, in this instance, subjective and opinionated, making this point retarded.

>>52035733
Care to explain how anything he said can be described like this, or are you generalizing again?

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>>52035736

>Mass transportation in 2000+17 is equal to transportation in Ye Olde 14th century

>>52035754
>he's a human irl and hasn't evolved to a higher state

lol scrub

>>52035747
That's perfectly fine and reasonable.

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>>52035756
>ye olde 14th century
>where fucking magic exists

>>52035719
Not that guy, but for me it's because a lot of GMs--not all GMs, mind--who impose such restrictions tend to be bad ones. They start with "you're only allowed to play humans", then either introduce half-dragon half-angel elf samurai, or they say "it's a low-magic setting" and then refuse to make any considerations for how that cripples a group in terms of survivability.

It's not a bad design decision for a group to have. But it sends off a warning bell.

>>52035736
Traveling from Tien to Avistan is an experience that kills most people below level 5.

>>52035756

Good point. It's even easier in pathfinder due to stuff like teleportation circles.

>>52035762
Commoner can't afford greater teleport. What are you, retarded?

>>52035767
>we tippyverse now

>>52035692
>play something like a character they saw on big bang theory.

Scottish Dwarf is a LOT older than big bang theory.

>>52035716
In order

>Ulfric, BROOOOOO
>Marianna, she seems protective
>Calsica mang
>It's a tie between Rory and Ulfric

>>52035755
Speaking from experience. Several other players who claim that any other race but humans are special snowflakes. The same sentiment that has appeared in previous threads. The idea that you shouldn't play a non-human because you can't accurately play a non-human.

>>52035762
>a level 1 affording Greater Teleport which is about the only way they're making it from Minkai to Varisia.

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>>52035762
>>52035767

>Implying the average level 1 schmuck even has access or has ever seen a working teleportation circle

Anon, you're approaching the level of backstory bullshit I'd only expect from a character that included references to their sister getting raped, a dark prophecy being foretold by masked men on his birthday, or maybe having some other portent of protagonist written all over their greasy forehead.

I think he was basically just saying there are all these people who want to create a "setting" but have no ideas, they insist that everything they create is "super-original" and are afraid to borrow anything from any other setting because its "unoriginal" and then when they inevitably are caught taking a chapter out of a classic work they completely deny it like it was their idea and they thought of it first without any input.

Frankly, you're both kind of annoying.

>People who try to make their settings too realistic
>People who try to make their settings too fantastic

>>52035785
I realize I'm using a modern spread of the fucking cancer.

>>52035789
thats retarded nobody can know what a non-human would be so you can't say if they're accurate or not

>>52035800
The important thing is that you've taken the middle road and can feel superior to both sides.

>Reading through the various APs
>The Vancaskerkin family just seems to eat shit in a few of them despite them just trying to make do for the most part.

I think Orik is legitimately becoming my pet NPC.

How many giant centipedes should a party of 4 level 1 characters face? They die in one hit (1d8+1 HP average 5) so I'm tempted to put like 14-16 in this encounter. Not all at once because flanking rules so more like three waves of 4-6 centipedes, each wave beginning three rounds after the last one.

>>52035800
>>People who try to make their settings too fantastic

When you're a kid, its generally better to have too much imagination than not enough, but when your an adult, you have got to learn how to moderate it a little.

California is filled with crazies who think star wars and star trek are real.

>>52035798
>>52035792
>>52035783
>being this fucking dense
There is a middle ground somewhere between a 20th level wizard/wizard gestalt and 0th level turnip salesman. Magic being absurdly ubiquitous means that the traditional pitfalls of long-distance transportation become trivialities.

Or are you going to argue that being able to summon infinite amounts of food and water WOULDN'T vastly change the way the world works?

>>52035692

Have you seen the DnD episode of The Big Bazinga? It was really quite vivid.

Sheldon and Amy even go into Sheldon's room to ERP.

>>52035835
California is filled with crazies period

>>52035716
>Dragon
You know, I'm conflicted. Because I recognize this to be rather cancerous

But because I'm part of it, I like it.

And we all know that if Marduk were a PC instead of an NPC he'd sweep that shit

>>52035798

>>Implying the average level 1 schmuck even has access or has ever seen a working teleportation circle

Why would that be impossible? Teleporation circles can be made permanent and would be a staggeringly good investment for any country wanting to engage in long term trade with a far-off nation. The cost savings over time would be utterly insane. Once it's permanent, anyone could have used it.

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>>52035819
Yes, exactly.

>>52035827
I get the feeling that one of JJ's old groups had a Vancaskerkin as a PC, and either he was the best player in the group and loved by everyone, or he was the best player in the group for pissing JJ the fuck off enough that he's been trying to get revenge on him all this time.

>>52035755
It shouldn't MATTER that I'm not playing a game they're running. It doesn't affect me if someone plays in traffic, but I still am going to tell them they're stupid if they don't have a good reason beyond "well, because."

>>52035851
Yes, but we loath those ones in particular.
Even other Californians distance themselves from them.

>>52035789
>>52035808
THE GM that controls the setting is whom has the say of what the ethnicity and sociality of a race is or isn't.

Straight up, if your representation of an ethnicity or race clashes heavily with the representation in-setting, it's going to get on the GM's nerves because it's their setting mate.

>>52035864
But they are giving reasons, you're just reeeing that they're retarded instead of giving any actual rebuttal.

>>52035829
Too many creatures will kill any level 1 party. It doesn't matter if they only have 5 HP when they all hit you for 50% of your HP for every hit they get on your PCs. There's a reason they call it Rusty Dagger Shanktown until you get to level 5-ish.

I mean, what would you do, if you met another adult, and all he wanted to do was play pretend?

Or like he had some sort of "sham" job and just wanted you to do all the work?

Or he was offering ridiculously low pay for your work, like to the point where you practically be volunteering?

>>52035897
>The GM controls what Elves are like in a setting

>arbitrary declares that there's no way someone can play an elf accurately, so no elves.

???????????

>>52035864
>Playing a tabletop incorrectly is the same as jumping infront of oncoming traffic.

So...got any actual arguments, or what?

>>52035908
Ah, good old America.

>>52035835
It's more that we just let them cavort in public out here in California because they pay well. They're still fucking annoying, but hey, tourism and cash.

>>52035763
The closest "twist" is that there are some !Warforged remnants of a lost empire that fucked the world up many years ago, but they're all controlled by the psychic remnants of their emperor that has begun to awaken. I'm not sure if it's the same thing as super special half dragon NPC.

As for low magic. It's a high psionics setting with certain powers banned and Vancian Casters banned unless they take a SoP archetype with a certain setting specific traditon. Certain magic items have been re-fluffed as wierd psi/magitech stuff as well.

Is that cancer?
Also, I'm the guy who mentioned the setting to begin with the guy saying "you can't portray non humans accurately" isn't me.

Why the fuck are people associating "human only" with "realistic". Settings can be strange and fantastic with only humans as a playable race. I point again to The Black Company as an example. The only intelligent non-humans are those who got ripped through from another dimension by magic and no major character is one, and ancient powerful horrors. The setting is full of mystery and fantastic things but only has humans as a major player. The d20 for it only has humans.

I have run human only in the past and the reason varies.

Now what I REALLY don't fucking get is people who throw a fit when you limit the race list in some way. For example I'll give you my last race list: Human, Half-orc, Orc, Dwarf, Goblin, Bugbear, Hobgoblin, Half-giant, and I had several applicants two to be precise throw autistic fits that they couldn't play a particular race, the races in question were elf and ifriti. I told them neither were in the setting because I chose to focus on other races, they pestered me about it to "make an exception" so I just told them they weren't getting into the game. I don't understand this. If you can't play the game unless you're a particular race then why apply to a game that doesn't have the race?

Or why throw a fit when someone has a setting that doesn't have classic races. I had a setting with only a few major races, none being mythological in origin. I had people throw a bitchfit over it because they couldn't play pathfinder races. I had a guy who insisted on me letting him be from another dimension so he could play a pathfinder race.

I don't get it.

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>>52035843
>Big Bang Theory
The real DnD episode was Communities'.

>>52035858
>>52035841
Because there's just 17th level wizards running around placing down Teleportation Circles.

Next to the fact, that if they did exist, they'd probably be mentioned because they'd be a pretty big fucking deal.

>>52035919
No one ever said anything about arbitrary declarations, mister strawman. Fuck right off.

>>52035798
>>52035792
>>52035783
I'm still waiting for the counterargument, or are you going to concede that you're fucking retards?

>>52035864
You're just shouting like a five year old without any rebuttal, you're the only acting like a child. You have given no reason beyond "muh tastes" and haven't responded to anyone's reasoning.

>>52035948
but it is an arbitrary declaration to say nobody can play a non-human species accurately

>>52035858
Because you need a 17th level wizard who knows teleportation circle.

The number of 17+ level wizards in Golarion that are currently active can be counted on 1 hand and one of them is Razmir.

>>52035940
>Communities'
This is why we don't let you play, Chang.

>>52035972
No one ever said "nobody can play elves like they were elves" though? Literally no one said that?

How many times have you had a game derailed by a snowflake?

Because I think I've had every single game ruined except 1, and that time, I was the snowflake.

>>52035945
You're a fucking idiot, I just listed a low level example of "as much food as you could possibly need, whenever you want". You want even LOWER level? A 1st level cleric can create infinite amounts of water, ensure that food will never spoil, and completely purify food to be perfectly edible. Literally whenever they want, with zero effort, a first level character.

Are you going to tell me that a trip across the ocean isn't made thousands of times easier when you don't have to worry about the logistics of food and water? Let's also ignore the myriad of other spells that could potentially further trivialize such a thing without having to pull out literal teleportation, such as mend, the ability to cure wounds, etc.

>>52035841
You need a 17th level wizard to have a teleportation circle. There are next to no 17th level wizards in golarion. Countries are not gonna have teleportation circles, if you think otherwise you're a retard.

Name some wizards in the setting who can cast teleportation circle and are willing to do it for a country if hired. Razmir? Fuck no. The guy who fucked off to the sun because he hates Golarion so much? Fuck no. Geb? Don't fucking make me laugh. The whispering tyrant is in a box. Unity is too busy being dead now.

>>52035934
A restricted race list because that's what you want to GM is cool. Telling someone "I don't allow that because nobody plays it right" is not cool.

"playing pathfinder" has a lot of base assumptions, one of which being that there's a large list of races. Playing your own system with a restricted list is also more along the lines of "playing homebrew with pathfinder as a base" according to those people.

>>52035934
There is a certain brand of idiot who thinks the rulebook overrides the DM, so any DM who doesn't allow everything in the rulebook is doing it wrong.

>>52036008
In several thousand years worth of history I sincerely doubt there wouldn't be 1 altruistic high level wizard that would try that.

>>52035999
thats kind of the point, is that it would make everyone across the room feel kind of squirmy if someone spoke in a lilting tone and giggled at things and acted completely clueless about mortals.

>>52035999
????

LITERALLY RIGHT HERE

>>52035539


kill yourself my dude

>>52036028
Yes, we call that Nex, all his circles were destroyed because people didn't want his followers using them. Teleportation circles are easy to destroy you need a wizard to stay around and maintain and recast them when someone scuffs the chalk.

What I'm saying is in Golarion IT DOESN'T EXIST. Why? Because the setting would be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT if it did.

>>52036002
But then you got the otherguy, who packs in everything from a shovel to a god damn 10 man tent in his pack, doesn't know why adventurers use hirelings, or why hirelings aren't paid to fight, ect. ect.

>just want to watch a session of pathfinder for entertainment and to see how they usually run
>think people will be creeped out by me just sitting there watching

>>52036019
>playing pathfinder" has a lot of base assumptions, one of which being that there's a large list of races
Out of all the assumptions this seems like the weakest, because nothing really breaks if there is only one race in the world.

>>52036019
See >>52035999

>>52036040
"I have never found someone that can" =/= "NO ONE EVER CAN HURR"

No u.

>>52036002
>>52036008
They could literally just be from a family that already lives there but has the heritage from the place? People immigrate all the fucking time, this is literally a non-issue.

>>52035933
Lord of Blades!!!

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>>52036028
>high-level wizards
>altruistic

Pick one and only one.

>>52035852
Friendo, just embrace the cancer.

>>52036035
cause you'd basically be like, "Fucking faggot" I mean, even though you want to be cool about it, you're still kind of like, "reel it in, boy!"

But you gotta understand, we aren't classically trained actors, we didn't take theater in high school.

>>52035945

>Because there's just 17th level wizards running around placing down Teleportation Circles.

>>52035973

>Because you need a 17th level wizard who knows teleportation circle.

Going by the city rules for pathfinder, a Pious (+1 spellcasting level) metropolis or a magically attuned (+2 spellcasting levels) large city have the spellcasters to manage it and it's a permanent effect so you only need one over the entire duration the city has been in existence.

Heck, if the cities have access to Summoners any Small City without any traits can cast it (As it's a 6th level summoner spell)

>>52036066
HOW COULD ANYONE ACCURATELY PORTRAY SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST, WHO COULD DETERMINE WHAT AN ELF IS REALISTICALLY AND WHAT A CONVINCING ONE WOULD BE LIKE

NOBODY CAN AS THEY DO NOT EXIST YOU STUPID SHIT.

Can you raise a skeltal of someone who's died of old age? I know undeath fucks with ressurection, but since someone who's died of old age can't be ressurected anyway, it should be cool, right?

>>52036057
/pfg/ games should start streaming this sessions.

All of them.

>>52036066
>They could literally just be from a family that already lives there but has the heritage from the place? People immigrate all the fucking time, this is literally a non-issue.
No that's fine. I'm saying that you better have a good reason to have at level 1 made the trip from Tien to Korvosa yourself. Korvosa isn't the "land of opportunity" and doesn't make sense as an immigration point for for folks.

>>52036079
Old Man Jatembe was apparently a pretty alright dude before he fucked off.

>>52036089
>WHO COULD DETERMINE WHAT AN ELF IS REALISTICALLY AND WHAT A CONVINCING ONE WOULD BE LIKE
The GM.

>>52036092
Yeah, s'just bones man.

Necromancy doesn't fuck with souls unless it specifies so

>>52036092
Most places still frown on it. Matter of fact, most places will probably see it as a worse transgression that you dug up their grandpa and turned him into a mindless servant when he'd died peacefully in his bed.

>>52036101
based on what criteria? What is a convincing elf? TELL ME

TELL ME

WHAT WOULD A CONVINCING ELF BE

NOBODY KNOWS

ITS A FUCKING MYSTERY

THEREFORE ITS ARBITRARY

>>52036089
The GM arbitrates what is and isn't convincing about a race in their setting, because it's literally the setting that THEY MADE UP. they MADE UP what the elf acts like, and it's up to THE PLAYER to ask and learn how elves are culturally in the GM'S SETTING. and to WORK WITH THE GM on how they can portray their character to match realistically with THE SETTING.

Things aren't BLACK AND WHITE you stupid fuck.

>>52036095
No! God no!

>>52036087
See, city building rules blatantly go against setting books, which is why I file them under "fucking retarded". If you actually apply city building rules to golarion the setting falls apart at the seams.

we are looking for that bizarre fusion of fantasy and common sense

>>52036002
Yes a trip would be much easier with access to those abilities.

You want to know what makes it much fucking harder? The fact that many things living in those seas can and will fuck your boat up without batting an eye.

>>52036115
>its the GM's Novel

lol.

Is there a way to get Favored Enemy without being a Ranger?

>>52036114
>based on what criteria?
The criteria he has created, based on his idea of what an elf should be.

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>>52036114
IT'S THE GM'S GAME AND THE GM'S SETTING. THEREFORE IT'S THE GM THAT DECIDES WHAT IS WHAT IN THEIR SETTING.

ALLCAPS MAKES YOUR POINTS SEEM MORE INTELLIGENT AAAAAAAAH!!!

>>52036114
I gave an example here >>52035692

I don't include them any longer because people are more likely to actually read a new race and try to play them. For races normally in the book they default to stereotypes and don't read anything about my setting to try and learn what they are like there.

>>52036137
"A definition I create" is the DEFINITION of arbitrary.

>>52036092
A while back, I know someone figured out how to make something like ten different undead from a single corpse. Shit got crazy, and just goes to show that there's no way all of that was the same soul, since only one undead from the lot got the soul (and that was lichdom)

Most undeath doesn't actually interract with the soul, just the corpse. At that point it's just raw materials being infused with animating power - nothing for most people to get in a tizzy about when they think logically. Even good aligned people.

>>52036125

You are in the wrong game for that.

>>52036137
>>52036140


So I have to get inside his fucking brain to know exactly what he wants. But apparently I don't even get that chance because this fuck has decided that NOBODY CAN PLAY THEM CONVINCINGLY ENOUGH FOR ME, GM, THE HOLLYWOOD DIRECTOR OF GAMES..

oh man sure is fun

I guess my character doesn't get any agency, love that. Humans get agency, non-humans don't. Sick.

>>52036128
So basically a level 1 character is more powerful than jesus. How are you supposed to get invested in a character that can be brought back to life for the price of a used car and all he does is fight monsters and stuff?

>>52036087
Going by city rules I can also raise up a Metropolis in just a few years or so, depending on hex rolls.

>>52036147
I write a setting, I have it written what races are like in the setting, you don't read it and don't follow it so I have you retire the character because he isn't trying to portray the race in any manner.

I have had people do this time and again which leads me to simply include less and less races because people don't read anything about settings.

I go even farther that people don't read anything about human cultures in the setting.

I just hate players who aren't willing to read ANYTHING about a setting.

>>52036128
I don't care about any of that shit, I was just triggered by the "14th century" comment. Magic has a profound effect on the way the world works, doubly so when it's common as all fuck. 14th century is as irrelevant a detail in such a scenario as the color of dungbeetles in the setting.

People who perpetuate medieval stasis and muh dung ages need to be strung up.

>>52036135
Hinterlander, off the top of my head. Aim higher anon. Get Studied Enemy.

>>52036154
DUDE

Read the Book!
Look at the Pictures!
Try to act like you think the people you see in the book would act like!

Don't just try to make random shit! At least model your character after a template or something!

>>52036188
PLAYERS AREN'T HOLLYWOOD ACTORS ANON

>>52036160
It's easy to kill a demon, but it's hard to kill your personal demons

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>>52036154
>So I have to get inside his fucking brain to know exactly what he wants.
FUCKING READ THE PDF WITH SETTING INFORMATION I SENT YOU, FUCKING JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY AN ELF READ THE SECTION LABELED 'ELF CUSTOMS, CULTURE, AND MANNERISMS' INSTEAD OF JUST PLAYING WHAT EVER YOU THINK ELVES SHOULD BE LIKE. READ THE FUCKING WIKI I MADE FOR THE CAMPAIGN, HOLY FUCK.

>I guess my character doesn't get any agency, love that. Humans get agency, non-humans don't. Sick.
IF YOU DON'T READ YOUR HUMAN'S CULTURE EITHER THAN I'M ALSO GONNA RETIRE THE CHARACTER AND JUST KICK YOU FROM THE GAME BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT READING ANYTHING ABOUT THE SETTING YOU'RE PLAYING IN.

>>52036198
Maybe yours aren't, pleb.

>>52036185
I'm trying to make an Android purpose built to kill dragons

>>52036154
It's called C O M M U N I C A T I N G W I T H Y O U R G A M E M A S T E R.

You should try it some time instead of throwing a bitch fit because things aren't exactly how you want them.

The reason elfs aren't in his bloody setting anymore is because no one communicated with him and everyone just assumed X race is like X, when it was actually Y.

>>52036198
IT's literally a roleplaying game! You're literally trying to emulate what a character in a setting would do and act like! If you wanted just an RPG, then you'd play one of the countless video game RPGS, it's not hard!

>>52036002
You realize the reason it is deadly is not because of normal lack of magic, it's because the sea is fucking full of Aboleths.

>>52036207
Fuck off, your thread's still no good and baiting. You don't even have a title.

>>52036180
They just look at the pictures and make up a story inside their head.

I'm just going to say it.
The more text you put in your game, and less pictures there are, the more realistic your game will seem.
But without pictures, people will get bored and think your writing style is pedantic, so they will just chuck the whole thing.

>>52036066
Saying "I have never found someone that can convincingly play x thing" implies he's found no one who can convincingly play x thing, ergo he's saying he banned partially it on the basis that nobody he's met has convincingly played x thing.

This entire thread is people screaming over subjective experiences and one asshole who's mad because his players didn't buy into his setting and went with the default of a race.

>>52036211
>you made an entire wiki

Dude just write a novel already instead of tormenting players with your GMPC antics

>>52036057

I'm going to be in a session tomorrow, do you want to watch it? It's voiced!

>>52036219
Maybe don't be a shit GM then.

>>52036218
Honestly, just slap a dragon bane weapon on him and call it a day.

>>52036237
Where'd did he say wiki? He mentioned a PDF/Document with some info about customs.

>>52036237
AHHH, WHY DO I EVEN FUCKING RUN GAMES PEOPLE DON'T EVEN TRY AND PUT IN A TOKEN EFFORT. FUCK. PEOPLE DON'T READ. PEOPLE DON'T CARE. PEOPLE CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING'S FUCKING NAME EVEN WHEN I TRY AND MAKE IT EASY AND CATCH. PEOPLE DON'T FUCKING WRITE DOWN LOOT.

FUCK PLAYERS, THEY WANT TO BE FUCKING FORCE FED 4 HOURS OF ENTERTAINING ONCE A WEEK WHILE NOT LIFTING A FUCKING FINGER OR PUTTING ANYTHING INTO IT.

FUCK YOU PEOPLE. FUCK. WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER. AHHHHHHH.

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>>52036244
>it's the GM's fault players don't want to read and be a part of the setting.

Go back to playing videogames.

>>52036243
Depends on the time, but sure if I can make it
My discord is Madotsuki#1795

I've never met a roleplaying game that didn't fall apart within a matter of weeks.

Its like there's a curse

>>52036262
Right here >>52036211
>READ THE FUCKING WIKI I MADE FOR THE CAMPAIGN, HOLY FUCK.

>>52036262
He said Wiki, read the post again.

>>52036268
maybe they don't want to be force fed but you can't stop force feeding them cause you won't just write your novel already.

>>52036268
Bro.

Shut up.

Chill the fuck out. Caps make you look like a toolbag.

>>52036272
or some people are just going there to deliberately ruin other peoples hobbies.

>>52036256
Fair. I'm think I'm gonna use Harbinger||Warmonger - is that a decent archetype for a Symbiat?

>>52036270
>its the GM's fault he can't make a setting the players care about, and instead waxes lyrical about a bunch of shit nobody cares about and then he bitches and whines when things aren't EXACTLY LIKE MY NOVEL YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG PLAYERS

yes

>>52036280
I MADE A WIKI TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU. FUCK. I TRIED TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO LEARN ABOUT THE RACE YOU WANTED TO PLAY. THERE ARE LINKS. I MADE THE PARAGRAPHS NICE AND SHORT TO TRY AND MAKE IT NOT TOO HEAVY FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE A LOOK AT.

WHY, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SPEND 30 MINUTES TO READ UP ON THE SETTING. I WOULD BE FIND IF PEOPLE PUT IN ANY FUCKING EFFORT.

>>52036268
The only thing that prevents me from building my own world is the fact I'm not a writer and don't wanna bore my players.

You should try to follow that advice.

>>52036303
>PLAY MY NOVEL PLAY MY NOVEL PLAY MY NOVEL

>>52036285
>>52036280
Fuck I'm retarded and tired. I just kinda skim shit in all caps. An entire wiki's a bit much but expecting players to know the customs, tone, and how the setting differs from a standard fantasy world is perfectly fine.

Do you get mad when people don't use premade gods in settings too?

>>52036295
Never looked at Symbiat before, sorry I can't help you there.

>>52036319
not really, i mean its kind of neat if people use their own gods but given there's a sort of multiverse deal going on its fine.

Well you know what. Sounds reasonable. I'll only run golarion because spending time reading up on a setting is far too much work for a player. What was I thinking? Custom settings are cancer, let's just do away with them.

>>52036337
Or maybe your setting is boring.

>>52036299
>>52036318
...It's almost like the point of a tabletop role-playing game is to experience and be a part of a FUCKING STORY!?

>>52036353
Its a collaborative story, not the DM's novel.

>>52036318
I don't understand this mentality. Would you really rather play in Golarion? How is someone making a setting a bad thing? I can't wrap my head around this.

Why is making a setting ridiculed? I've seen them mentality before. It just seems so strange to me.

>>52036353
A story that you build WITH YOUR PCs, anon, not despite them.

>>52036360
I don't mind playing other people's setting

I do mind playing someone's novel

>>52036295
Oh, an alternative. Ask your GM if you can use the Ironborn race, someone pointed me to it a few days ago, give yourself a wisdom bonus and play a ranger/inquisitor.

It's more "golem" than "robot" but it's a bit closer, especially the "specifically designed" bit.