Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52028352
What's the best first date for dating Shelyn?

Reposting.
There any particularly helpful guides/resources out there for GM's? I'm going to run for some friends without real Player experience on my part- We're all new, so it's like the blind leading the blind.

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>>52028371
Don't. Just give up. It's not like your efforts will get you anywhere. You're just wasting time and energy.

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>>52028352
>Promises of power
>Shit getting nerfed left and right
How terribly appropriate!

>>52028399

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

>>52028371
Under the table fingerbang while you're pretending to talk about art.

>>52028399
Let's not pretend it was not overtuned.

>>52028352
I still think it's absurd that CHA to hit/damage got removed in large part to balance for the existence of a Bloodforge feat not even by the same company.

Avowed should have kept its one class-specific SAD ability, rather than continue to supply a feat/trait combo that allows half the casters in the game to dump their constitution.

>>52028411
The fact that my Aether Channeled spork now hits as hard as my Aether Channeled greatsword is fucking stupid anon

So folks

I'm gonna make a chart of "random human appearances" for shapeshifters, purely for shits and giggles. Any suggestions? I know I'm at least going to need: sex, age category, skin color, physical build, hair color, eye color, and "distinguishing features" (i.e scars, birthmarks, etc.) but after that I kind of draw a blank. Should I just go with what I have or figure out something else?

At what lvl should one consider a career in dragon-hunting?

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Reposting as well. Help me /tg/ you're my only hope. How do I optimize this /pfg/? A kitsune who's fox-form morphs into a chimeric monster. Been looking through SoP Shapeshifter's HB and I'm thinking large, draconic/demonic skin, spines, breath weapon, 2-heads etc. whatever. How can I build this? Should I go straight Shifter? Gish? Gestalt? Open to 3pp

And now to shill my E6/P6 Noiralog game again! Chargen/timeslot stuff is in the forum post on the lfg:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title

>>52028446
Beastmorph alchemist

Would you recommend any online character creator?

>>52028453
What is E6?

>>52028426
Everything about Aether Channel feels like a bad fucking joke

>The extra damage is too high
>lets remove the thing that ISN'T bonus damage
>oh no it's still too high
>let's now make it UTTERLY POINTLESS until the 3rd buy
>all the while the wording is still fucked for unarmed

>>52028419
What a wild fucking ride this is, I wonder what'll get gutted next.

>>52028453
>it's in the mirror universe
Well, now. Mind telling us more?

>>52028439
Go with what you have. There's not much else to add, honestly. Unless you wanna add anal circumference and penos length/girth stats.

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>>52028453
>1 benefit point for warder maneuver progression AND ALL DISCIPLINES

Laffo.

>>52028470
E6 is a different set of rules where Level 6 is the max level. Instead of levelling up from there, you just get new feats every X XP. It helps evading the jank of high level play while keeping much of the iconic magic and martial strength.

>>52028482
I mean, you're a shapeshifter. You can determine what you look like, I'm pretty sure you can make your dong as long as you want it to be. I'll use those as a basis and if I think of anything else I'll add to it.

Could someone explain the Path of War Expanded trait "Practiced Initiator" to me.

What's its point? Why would you pick it?

>>52028501
Sounds like a waste of time

>>52028470
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Epic6

>>52028485
I only said SoM and SoP were in use. The Initiator/PoW stuff isn't in use. The PoW stuff in the minor gestalt thing is merely so other DMs can use it, and like I said, the minor gestalt thing is a massive WIP.

>>52028508
So you don't lose scaling progression when you decide to take a two level fighter dip for dem bonus feets.

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When was the last time your character had to race against the clock, /pfg/?

>>52028457
Thanks, anon. I'm looking to pick up more than four beast traits. Got to be a better way.

>>52028508
I guess if you were multiclassing and you only wanted to put in X levels but you wanted an ability that requires you to have X+2 initiator levels

>>52028535
Last session
We hit the self destruct button on a fortress and had to leg it as it came down on us

>>52028485
I think it's a good thing to gain access to in principle but way too easy.

It should cost more, not give all disciplines, not be available to take with certain classes (High Practitioners, optimized barbarians, etc), and potentially not be allowed to stack with SoM progression in general.

>>52028508
Consider Initiator levels to be Caster levels. Now, Imagine that you want to play Warder 1/Fighter 2 for bonus feats, as an example.

With Practiced Initiator, having selected Warder as your Practiced Initiator class, you would be considering a 3rd level Initiator despite only having 1 level of Warden.

>>52028508
It means you can dip at most /four/ levels out of your initiator class without losing Initiator Level or highest maneuver level known progression when you continue back.

It's very good.

>>52028409
That's dishonest. It should be an under table fingerbang while sincerely talking about art.

>>52028559
Could just huck it into Major Benefits in this form. Think that'd be better for it?

So, how does the unchained rogue works? Is it just an update of the old Rogue or a new class? Can a vanilla rogue be updated as a unchained rogue?

>>52028574
So for the low low price of 2 maneuvers known and 1 trait, you can take a 4 level dip out of archetyped initiator classes like polymath. Thats actually pretty damn good for prc dips like master chymist.

>>52028658
t's pretty much a straight upgrade of the old rogue to be more relevant in modern pathfinder.

>>52028658
The Unchained Rogue is the simplest of the Unchained classes, because all it does is add a few extra lines of text to the chassis; you get Weapon Finesse for free at 1st, and then at 3rd level and a couple of other levels, you get to choose one weapon to get Dex-to-Damage on. At 4th level you can use Sneak Attack to cripple people, and at 5th and every 5 levels afterwards you get to select a skill and be VERY good at it, like "Intimidate allows you to multi-turn Frighten targets" good.
Any Rogue can be updated to an Unchained Rogue, and any Rogue archetype can be applied to Unchained Rogue.

What's the recommended HP/per lvl? When levelling up, do you take the extra skill, or more hp?

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>>52028375

>>52028510
Can say that at least for 3.5 it works as intended and actually provides a nice experience.

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>>52028352
Here's a fucking suggestion for the schmucks working on Avowed: if you're going to move away from Self being the "punchdude" pact anyway, let it pick something other than IUS and punching. Let it start at level 1 with one of the Heart of X feats, or literally anything else since its fucking Bonus Shapes aren't even meant for unarmed in the first place.

Flavor of the Month Avowedfags BTFO

Thanks, 2hu. You've finally repelled the right kind of people for once.

>Sword of Smiles
>sentient weapon with a crossguard that looks like a grinning mouth and two little gems near the base of the blade, looking like eyes
>its one and only goal is to make people happy and smiley
Is this too dumb to insert into a game? I mean the wielder would be a sullen bitch, obviously, but is it also just too dull a concept?

>>52028779
depends on your role
front or back?

>>52028882
Sounds cute

>>52028888

Switch-hitter slayer.

>>52028779
I would say enough to survive the save or take huge damage spells like finger of death, disintegrate and wail of the banshee.

>>52028900
I would put min 14 to con, level bonus to hp and maybe get toughness too.
That should be enough.
That is like ... 8 hp per level on average?

As a spell-like ability, which is more vital, in your opinion.

Detect Magic or Detect Poison?

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>>52028375
Run a shitty low-level dungeon-crawl module, trust me. It's much easier to start that way.

If you want the one I did for my first, this was it. It's a dungeon-crawl, but still makes sure to test for stuff like social skills, and Knowledge and Survival skill investment, which is quality enough for me. Just don't let the party use the fucking sample characters at the back. All except the cleric are built to be fucking useless, especially the wizard.

>>52028967
Detect magic because it detects a million things while poison is very rarely used.

>>52028967
Magic by far. The majority of poison you ever encounter is going to be on some monster's fangs anyway.

>>52028848
>implying 2hu is the cause of any of the butthurt

anon, 2hu's builds were all almost basically pure dex and focused on "how much damage can I do"

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Which Dragongame PC is the best at traditional games?

>>52028930
>>52028900
wait slayers are d10 not d4 im retarded
average of about 10 hp per level or sum

>>52028983
>>52028988
Thanks. I was having trouble deciding which one to pick.

>induring the GM makes it a political intrigue game where poisons are used in food and drinks regularly.

>>52028473
... how is its wording fucked for unarmed?

>>52028810
Doesn't their punching work fine with channel anyway?

>>52028915

What do you need to survive these spells?

>tfw the longest part of making a new char is picking a second trait that actually fits.
I don't know how people take three traits. I struggle to find two...

>>52029082
easy
people just pick some easy +1 to save or init one and call it the day

>>52029242

Does any bother with backstory/roleplay when it comes to picking traits or people only care about mechanics?

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Ice or Fire for this character's elemental focus, lads.

>>52029271
depends on the person
there is also the magical word of
refluff

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>>52029281
Ice.

So you can say you "deal in Strict and Cold Pain."

>>52029271
The mechanics' job is to describe your character and what they do.

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>>52029281
LIGHTNING

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>>52029054
It is possibly because I am either retarded, or the rules themselves aren't consistent at all. I also forgot that they removed "functions as greater magic weapon" from Aether Channel, which WOULD have fucked it up even more.

>GMW says that it can only enhance the unarmed strikes of a monk, because otherwise unarmed strikes count as natural weapons
>the unarmed strike weapon page says they're NOT natural weapons, and always count as light weapons
>monks specifically say they count as manufactured and natural for stuff, which implies they are not normally both

christ I hate this system

What traits should a character belonging to a "Varangian guard" (praetorian bodyguards of the Byzantine Empire coming from foreign lands Rus, Vikings etc) have? No loyalties with the local nobility, and thus unlikely to be involved in a palace coup. They are easier to purge if they become a problem.

>>52029281

Ice, so you can wear a big fluffy coat everywhere you go.

>>52029421
Okay yeah that makes sense. So they punch fine enough I guess?

>>52029457
Self Pact punches "okay" assuming shit works, but it's still sliding so far back from "Not!Monk" it's starting to make me wonder why they're bothering.

>>52029430
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/race-traits/bred-for-war/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/regional-traits/trench-navigator-xidao/

To Miklagard, my son!

>>52029523
I mean, isn't the point of the changes to the punching so that you can mix punching and weapons without gimping yourself, and then still go and get TWF for fists if you want it and get even more normal punches to go with the special ones?

Any reason not to take a Pathfinder's Kit?

>>52029622
If you're "optimizing" then you probably have 7 Strength and it weighs 22 pounds

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>have a character I like, build and personality are pretty much decided on
>have no ideas for an interesting backstory

>>52029788
Do you want help, anon?

What game?

>>52029271

I'd love to do this.

But the presence of such traits as Reactive and other overblown shit that gives you access to highly popular skills, or which might open up entire BRANCHES of character options(armor expert, anyone?) means that you're losing the optimization arms race if you don't do this, and may be left in the dust.

>>52029811
I just picked the ones that implied my character was attractive.

Eagle, bruh. Open a discord or an IRC.

>>52029430

The Ulfen Guard are a thing! A thing!

>>52029319
>>52029359
>>52029436

Okay lads, this is getting spicy because I already had a Lightning idea before this Ice one hit me.

Which meme combination sounds better for Dragons 2, The Nameless King and Ornstein or Eredin and Dancer of the Boreal Valley.

>>52029920
Boreal Valley.

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>>52029920
I always vote for ass. So Dancer.

>>52029799
Dragons 2, I'm trying to put together a greedy entrepreneurial qt dragon girl.

Are there any safe pics for Dragons2 other than Aisha "I want to be a hero just like my elven light novels!" Enkidu and Aurora "Power is Maximum Chest is Minimum"?

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>mfw even more dragon2 applicants

>>52030024
I know I'm not getting picked for sure. I wonder why I even bothered.

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>>52028352
>Avowed
I love the theme, the callbacks to the old Warlock, the fact that the devs are listening to us about things as they build it, the all-day abilities and different kinds of Pacts.
I especially love the archetypes, Tinker and Betrothed both hit my buttons and I think they can mix! while the teased dungeon lord archetype has me all hot and bothered.

I dislike the current large focus on the optimization ceiling, the slightly confusing manner in which some of the shapes are presented, and that there isn't more awesome artwork within the book.

I am particularly thankful for the fact that I'm playing a Fae Pact Betrothed in a game right now with another player acting as the Betrothed Companion, and the in character interaction has been some of the best and most amusing I've ever had in a game.

>>52030024
I guess Rory's pic (the Ulfen Rory, not the trap) pic is pretty tame? Same with Lythinex, Ivelia, Forte, Philo and Kabouite.

>>52030083
>and I think they can mix

Sorry anon I don't think they can since they both alter pact progression without specific wording saying they're still compatible despite altering the same feature
Considering Forrest specially put all that wording into the PoWE archetypes and a lot of their stuff, I'd say the absence of it here rules out the stacking

>>52030088
He meant "safe picks."

As in the people we think are getting in for sure.

>>52030114
>Picks
>pics

Well okay then.

>>52030088
That was a typo, meant picks not pics

>>52030083
I feel what's happened is that Forrest being from DSP on some level wanted something that could compete with Path of War at first, but now they've stepped back and thought "wait I don't want that, I instead want it to be the same level as magus and inquisitor and bard and alchemist, where Path of War /should/ have been."

>>52029567
Sure, but at this point you might a well present the option to NOT do so considering how much kneecapping that route has to it.

Which are the enemy spells/abilities that are likely to get a PC killed or even cause a total party kill per level?

>>52030146
Or maybe we should just ...
Enclose Path of War into a special little zone in our heads
That others do not need to compare to

>>52030143
My ideal party is Aisha, Ulfric, Marianna, Aurora, Rory (the Ulfen one), and Ivelia. They could have some fun interactions!

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>>52030105
That makes me sad, but on the other hand everything is still in development so there is chance I can beg a special exception off of the devs to make it possible.

Which by the way, if you're listening Forrest/Taveena, please oh please make sure that Betrothed can stack with the eventual Dungeon Lord archetype.

>>52030146
A big part of the issue for the balance I think is that paizo is religiously opposed to anything resembling an all-day at-will ability that is useful. If we just ignore that stigma, a lot of the class is perfect.

>>52030146
>on the same level of magus

god I hope not, magus is a piece of shit outside its single gimmick build

>>52030173
Very few of the clauses or all day abilities have been changed over this playtest, actually.

It's just been a lot of damage tweaking.

>>52030182
Magus is commonly advertised as one of the classes Initiators are meant to be compared to, rather than things like the fighter or rogue.

I personally believe Initiators blow Magus out of the water, but it doesn't change what they're trying to claim.

>>52030212
I can see why the comparison is simple, though. Initiators have effects that trigger when they smash stuff, just like how a magus has a spell going off when he strikes something.

>>52030212
and every time it's brought up the comparison is mocked mercilessly, because the magus has a cool idea shot in the foot by terrible spell and feature design

If you ban resurrection, should save or die spells be banned as well?

>>52030265
Only for PCs.

As the GM it's your mission to kill the PCs. Ergo, Save or Die spells should be enemy use only.

>CotCT allows Neutral Asmodean worshippers

Time to cook up an Asmodean lawyer?

>>52030171
So how do you feel now that Aisha is now also a punchgirl?

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>>52030301
Is there any other choice?

>>52030265
Depends on what you're trying to accomplish by banning resurrection.

>>52030325
Jesus. Why is everyone a punchgirl?

Of Dragons and Men and... More Dragons not Of Dragons and Punch Girls and... More Punch Girls amirite?

>>52030325
I mean, punchgirls are neat. I like them! Rory still has his niche (of being a shapeshifter that slams people with strikes and shit) so I'm happy with that, but there are a LOT of punchy people in this game!

Question: I really want to be not!Sif, and wield a cutlass in my mouth with which I initiate strikes, because holy fuck that aesthetic. There's nothing that supports this in Pathfinder AFAIK which makes me sad

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>>52030356
I'm not sure I see a problem here.

>>52030356
Well, shes also a swordsman. Self avowed is cool like that

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/pfg/ how would I homebrew stat aliens as an agrarian race? I'm going to make a summoner sheet to show my GM tomorrow

>>52030356
I'm not a punchgirl!

>>52030430
Literally humans because why would aliens need to be different

>>52030349
Yes! I bet the Acadamea has some summoner cuties!

>>52030353

Making death feel more definitive and avoid situations like: Why doesn't the court hires a cleric to resurrect the king?

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>tfw March 15th can't come soon enough so I can finally be at peace

>>52030524
Because the souls of Kings are arbitrarily judged way faster than the normal souls, anon :^)

>>52030442

Why not?

>dislike about the Avowed?
Pretty much everything about it from theme, to pacts, to mechanics.

>>52030551
Because.... I want to date a punchgirl!

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>>52030567

>>52030529
BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH

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>>52030567
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>>52030529
Anon, this ride never ends

>>52030524
>Why doesn't the court hires a cleric to resurrect the king?

For starters, unless you're an adventurer or very dedicated to whatever you're doing, there's a quite good chance that you won't want to come back from afterlife. And of course, if someone assassinates the king, they'll probably take steps to make resurrection harder, like mutilating the body, using something like quieting needles, or even destroying the body entirely or turning it undead. Finally, if the king is dead, whoever is next in line for the throne has a vested interest in him STAYING dead, unless they really love their daddy.

Why is Cheliax best kingdom?

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>>52030356
>>52030442
>>52030421
Let's go down the list:

Punchboys
>Ulfric, fights unarmed or with gauntlets.
>Rory, fights mostly with slams.
Non-Punchboys
>Brejik, fights with a nodachi and psychic powers.
>Yoichi, fights with honor and Rokugani steel.
>Godna, fights with his anime towel boy good looks and theurgy.
>Irving is probably a healslut with a breath attack.
>Errakus, a pretty straightforward caster.
>Raine, fights with a tow- katana.
>Philo, fights with a zweihander.
>Rorymei, fights with psychic energy swords.
Punchgirls
>Aurora, dfc fist dragon powerhouse.
>Vorelira, probably eats people.
>Aisha, busty sentai heroine with that synthesist cheese.
>Mercedes, spunky brown tomboy punchgirl with a little divine power thrown in.
>Kabouite, ffffffucking hobgoblins. Combines shifting with unarmed, probably pretty scary.
Non-Punchgirls
>Ivelia, speccing for time magic so probably a god wizard.
>Marianne, scythe user (so fuckin' edgy) and divine caster.
>Forte, uses a dueling sword, combat scabbard and more fucking knives than your body has room for.
>Calsicahedrix, bard/dragon? Probably a buffer with a little magic and breath attack thrown in.
>Livie, if playing to class spec probably combines healslut, evil debuffs and dick-ass thief modules.

>>52030699
Which makes me wonder, are there cases in Fantasy of a previous King being ressurected and how they handle succession from there?

I mean, theoritically, the most powerful ressurection spells in Pathfinder could bring back people dead since nearly a century back, why not a king who fell in battle?

>>52030699

What's stopping any loyal servant from resurrecting the Big Bad?

>>52030683
But anon, the ride has already ended for me.

>>52030760
The cases of many big bad isn't so much the fact they're living, but the fact they're using powerful artefacts and whatnot that you can remove from them.

>>52030760
Lack of a level 17+ cleric to cast true res.

I normally make sure by eating their soul.

>>52030745
>tfw I TWF with axes
I'm not gonna fit in, am I?

>>52030357
>Question: I really want to be not!Sif, and wield a cutlass in my mouth with which I initiate strikes, because holy fuck that aesthetic. There's nothing that supports this in Pathfinder AFAIK which makes me sad
There's also nothing that really prevents you from doing this so long as you're not also trying to wield weapons/shields in the other hands. Just fluff it the way you want and move on.

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What race would be good for a Magus/Crossblooded Sorcerer [Draconic|Orc] focusing on lightning damage?

I tried half-orc for the favored class feature to fire but there aren't as many nice Magus options with fire spells compared to lightning..

Pic semi related.

>>52030741

It helps guard the world against demonic incursion, provides its citizens with stable rule and security (barring total embarrassments like Bazzy Girl), and lets the slips know where they stand in society.

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>>52030803
A majority of characters in the game don't fight barehanded. Most of the guys and half the girls.

>>52030745
>more non-punchers than punchers

Im half tempted to dis allow avowed entirely, with all the changes happening;

And I the saturation of punch girls is honestly bad.

I'd like a bit more variety in my muscle girl/boys

>>52030810
Half-orc, take the human FCB.

>>52030820
No I mean I'm the only one who has ever touched an axe.

>>52030699

That's another reason to ban resurrection-like spells: Contrived explanations to justify it and moonlogic.

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>>52030829

Fair to say.

>>52030745
Can we get one of these showing who's actually a dragon or not?

>>52030829
Rory has a bit of variety! He's a natural attacker! A literal wolf! Can I trade a feat for being able to wield a cutlass in my mouth while in wolf form, treating the rest of my nat. attacks as secondary attacks?

>>52030810
Sylphu

>>52030834

Why not just be human then, anon?

>>52030874
Because humans suck ass and no one would play them if they weren't mechanically superior to literally every other race that isn't intentionally broken.

>>52030852
What about who's an off-spring of Culdranth and who's not.

>>52030829
>Im half tempted to dis allow avowed entirely, with all the changes happening;
That honestly seems like the best course of action right now short of picking an official revision of the avowed which will not update after it's called. With the frequency of changes, tweaks and new options you're like going to get your avowed players wanting to completely rebuild their character practically every week.

>>52030911
Nah, I want to see who's actually a dragon in this "Dragon game".

>>52030901

Okay true. I was thinking more about me hanical advantages.

I really just wanted to do a fiery half-orc dervish dancer but Shocking Grasp is too easy to cheese.

>>52030829
Make the decision with enough time that people can respec.

>>52030915
Changes have been made to damage numbers, and recently a big change with the SAD cut, but the fundamental abilities of the class in terms of clauses, pacts and utility have remained largely untouched.

Playtesting will actively help the class. Less so for a gestalt, but still

>>52030849
Im just gonna tuck that away into its own little folder

.>>52030864
sounds good.

>>52030915
Okay, which Avowed, came out last , before the 26th of February? That's the one we go off of.

>>52030745
>tfw still can't decide between Rubato or Diva

Ngaaaaaahhh

>>52030852
Actually a dragon.
>Vorelira
>Calsicahedrix
Sort of dragon-like.
>Rorymei
>Forte
>Aurora?
>Xen
Not really dragon-like.
>everybody else

>>52030874
You're ORC BLOODLINE

Holy shit this latest dragon app.

I can't tell if this is satire.
>Kardzaros Hellreaver, the Blade of Darkness, Wielder of the Akashic Eye, Bearer of the Cursed Flame
>Alignment: True Dark
>Not even Edge Lord Archetype

>>52030995
Diva seems more flavorful, Rubato more powerful. Depends on which you want to be, really.

>>52031000
I work for dragons is that a problem?

>>52031000
Where do we draw the line at "dragon-like"? The point where you have more draconic features than human? Where you have wings? There's folks you just didn't list who have stuff like tails, horns, etc.

>>52031000
Wow, there's really only 2? And one of those is that Princess race that is sort of only half there.

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>>52030852
Sure friendosuke.

Dragonboys
>Brejik, dragonblooded shota. Looks more like a goblin.
>Xen, dragonblooded anime towel boy. Looks draconic.
>Ulfric, dragonblooded hunk. Looks draconic.
>Irving, actually a dragon. Empty sub.
>Errakus, the worst at being a dragon.
>Rorymei, the fuck is a Ganzi? Also clearly using trap lizardwoman art, but whatever.
Non-Dragonboys
>Yoichi, FOOL! The Rokugani are descendants of dragons!
>Raine, an oni-spawn man made of man-meat.
>Rory, a wuff who might turn into a dragon later. Fuck knows.
>Philo, literally straight white male swordsman.
Dragongirls
>Aurora, dfc white dragon.
>Vorelira, the dragon who probably eats people.
>Marianne, background says descended from dragons but blood is thin. Questionable.
>Forte, a dragon girl who comes stock with handlebars.
>Calsicahedrix, dragongirl Jessica Rabbit. Not a shortstack, apparently.
Non-Dragongirls
>Aisha, a human who summons armor.
>Mercedes, brown human punchgirl.
>Ivelia, wizard is a race right? Actually human.
>Livie, also a human.
>Kabouite, pretending to be a dragon so actually pretty funny!

>>52028352
>Avowed Edition: What do you like/dislike about the Avowed?

The Avowed hit a lot of good notes initially: tons of flavor, lots of options, great nostalgic throwbacks to the Warlock, and just enough power to keep people interested without going overboard.

Then it seemed like they bought into their own memes. They overtuned it way too much and tried too hard to make it SAD the class.

Now it feels like the fixes are going all in the wrong direction. Dropping unique options in favor of balancing the DO TOO MUCH DAMAGE options that are the actual problems. Pulling dumb shit like Con to Knowledge skills out of their ass with excuses like "we have half thought out fluff reasons for it!"

Balance in PF is a tricky needle to thread because you're constantly being pulled between the player who wants an option with more power and a GM who wants options that are easy to manage. There's a short list of people I trust to do it right and Forrest is on that list, but what I've been seeing from FFS lately has been making me question that. In the end I worry that the Avowed will just end up another messy 3PP to throw on the pile of overtuned do-everything classes out there that nobody's actually going to play.

Is there any spell that can cause laxating effects at a distance?

>>52031050
Sort of Dragon-Like
>Do they look like a dragon, or could they be mistaken for another half-breed fairly easily?

Like Ulfric? More tiefling than draconic. Brejik looks more like a goblin like other anon mentioned.

>>52031032
Yeah the issue is that I don't really like Path of War, but my experience with standard Bard has always been turning into a wand caddy, which is also lame. On the other hand, Rubato seems like its really just a melee striker and there's already plenty of those to go around.

>>52031069
>>52031069
>Aisha, a human who summons armor.
>armor.
Enkidu is not only a male gender swap, but he's also part dragon

Reading the Healer's Handbook, and I just want to make sure this right.

>A druid who chooses to learn druidic herbalism can use combinations of nuts, berries, dried herbs, and other natural ingredients along with appropriate containers to create herbal concoctions or magic consumables that function like potions. This acts like the Brew Potion feat, but only for spells on the druid spell list. Herbal concoctions are typically thick and sludgy, and their creation time, caster level, spell duplication capabilities, and all other variables and properties are identical to those of potions created using Brew Potion.

>A druid can create a number of free herbal concoctions per day equal to her Wisdom modifier. Additional concoctions cost the same as creating an equivalent potion using Brew Potion. Druids can sell their herbal concoctions just as if they were potions (though NPCs unfamiliar with druidic herbalism may need some convincing before purchasing these wares).

So it looks like it says you can make a number of potions equal to your Wisdom modifier each day, for free, without having to spend any money in making them!

Does this mean that if I had 10 days of downtime and a Wisdom of 20, I could create 50 potions to load my party out? Also, it doesn't say anything otherwise, so I assume I can make these potions operate at my caster level. Normally that costs more, but in this case it's free anyway, so why not.

Second question - it says that I can brew a potion as long as the spell comes from the druid spell list. How does this interact with feats like Fey Spell Lore, which adds spells to the druid spell list?

Specifically, I'm looking at making a ton of Invisibility potions to load out my group with.

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>>52030745
>>52031069
>>52031127
So as we see here, the game apps is about 50/50 dragons (and descendants) and non-dragons.

For the girl apps they're around 50% punchgirls, while the boys are a lot less skewed towards unarmed combat.

>>52031149
Fair enough. I was dazzled by your Gil-ko memes.

>>52031069
... So there's exactly one actual, honest to goodness dragon.

Word of Eagle came down

Does anyone have the Avowed document from Feburary 26th?

>>52031184
Clearly most were in the first group ok? The groups are working in the same canon.

>>52031184
Nnnno? Unless you're going strictly by whoever didn't include humanoid character art for an alternate form.

>>52031184
More than one.

Vorelira, Calsicahedrix have art that show them in draconic forms, the former having no human form at all. Some of the others have strong draconic features.

Irving is described as a dragon, but his app is empty.

>>52031200
Give me a number, anon. Beta 10? 11?

>they keep calling my char a goblin
I knew I should have went with that other image...

Honestly, I probably could still, would just need to rewrite his everything.

>>52029060
>Check spells
>Assume enemy caster is 3~4 levels higher than you
>Compute how much damage it would do
>Have an hp pool higher than damage
Wow so fucking hurd!

>>52028453
So is nobody interested in this at all then? Still hoping to get some players fer this game.

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>>52030977
>>52031200
Wait, isn't that the one before the great purging of SAD? Is... Good lord this is a circus.

>>52031251
>E6

Nah dawg nah

>>52031217
I don't know and I don't think he knows either.

Until then, I'm going to suggest this old version https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg/view

>>52031313
but why?

>>52031339
That is the newest one.

>>52031251

Honestly I might, I just didn't get a chance to see the advertisement until just now.

>>52031339
>>52031362

Wait, I totally thought they were uploading new pdfs for their revissions.

I guess we need Beta 10? to roll back two changes.

>>52031278
Yeah. Not being able to get his numbers big is making him sad despite using Synthesist and Self-Avowed already.

>>52031179
>Gil-ko memes
So, Gil comes from Gilgamesh, but what's ko?

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>>52031418
Indicates fem-Gil.

>>52031425
But do we have the old version of Avowed 2? Are we even going to USE the old version of it?

>>52031418
"Child" or "little", usually. Tellingly, it's used in Japanese as a generic term or suffix for anything female.

I need an answer, is Dragons 2 using Avowed?

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>>52031466
It's allowing Beta10 avowed as far as I'm aware

>>52031251
I'm tentatively interested but I'm honesty not a big fan of Golarion, don't know a lot about it much less a reverse version of it, and the green text description doesn't give me a lot of appealing stuff to work with. What is the focus of the campaign going to be? Where are we going to start?

>>52031466
It's not really clear because shit's a clusterfuck

>>52031452
>>52031435
theank you senpaitaichi

>>52031494
Eeh, to be honest, I kinda wanted to run the inverse version of Golarion because it seemed interesting, and as for the focus of the campaign, it's still all up in the air, hence why a Session 0 was going to be done; Group brainstorming is better then just some lone neckbeard brainstorming up stuff the rest of the group might not like.

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>>52031494
There's a screencap about it. It's not that good, though.

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>>52028352
>>52031491
>>52031489
>>52031466
>>52031425
>>52031378
>>52031278
>>52031200
>>52030977
Okay after much deliberation with myself.

We're going with the most recent version, Beta 11, And its going to STAY beta eleven for the duration of the application process.

However, in the interest of the actually assisting in the playtest this is how it will work.


Once in game, if a player is per of a playtested class, every time they gain a new level, they get a free respec. You can use this opportunity to update to the newest version of Avowed during a time when you'd already be changing things with your character. Or, if this ruins your character concept, repsec it into a class that better fits your vision. This isn't to be taken lightly however. If you simply don't like the change, then you dont like the change. If this change "Renders your idea unplayable" then it is allowed.


That's the official decision, and will be reflected in the LFG

>>52031520
If this is an IRL group I'd agree, but it's not. It would pretty much be easier on everyone if you decided(at least as a vague idea) on a campaign premise. It's kind hard to make a character when details like "where are we starting and what is this going to be about?" aren't even available to you. That way you have a chance of getting at least somewhat like minded people together.
>>52031580
That's the greentext I mentioned. I don't even know what half that stuff is in default Golarion lore.

>>52031635
>Beta 11

But isn't beta 12 the latest version?
Rip Self Pact AC

>>52031251
Ehh, was somewhat interested and I really like the idea behind E6/8, but in an E6/8 game magic doesn't degenerate the game as much as it might in a 16 level adventure, so being limited to Spheres of Power or Might is a huge turn off and defeats the whole purpose of being e6/8

>>52031580
Gorum's kind of a weird one because even though he's Chaotic, he actually has a warrior code his followers need to abide by and that includes maybe the most clear cut case of Geneva conventions and warrior ethics of any god. He's more merciful than Iomedae if you read his ISG entry. An LN take on him would probably actually slant him more evil instead of good, because as CN he's inclined to respecting other's choices and making pragmatic decisions in order to fight, while LN would incline him towards bringing other cultures in line and demanding nothing but straight up battle. Organized warrior-conquerors instead of divided warrior-mercenaries, you know?

I guess Chaotic Good Zon-Kuthon would be all about self-sacrifice and growing better through pain, spreading healing around the world to everyone who needs it. Shelyn would take up body crafting as an artform, representing the madness of artists. Rather than some lusty goddess I think her love domain would come up to obsession and stalking maybe?

>>52030977
>I can be not!Sif

Thank you! Thank you thank you thank you!

>>52031675

Staying Beta 11

>>52031675
Yep. 12 is recentest. See OP

>>52031251
I'm playing in an E6 campaign right now and it feels kinda shitty, if anything I'd much prefer E8.

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>>52031706
Fair enough.
Unrelated, mostly, but if two classes give unarmed strike, will you have to suck up the redundancy or will you end up with like, Weapon Focus: Unarmed or something of the sort?

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Who's the edgiest Dragongame 2 app?

>>52031729

you get the better of the two equvialent class features. That's it.

>>52031687
Well, remember, there's a feat in SoP that lets you take an extra sphere/talent, so it becomes slower to progress magic-wise.

>>52031718
Yeah, thinking about this, E8 means that most classes can get to a comfortableish "Capstone" at level 8. Gonna adjust this on the post I made.

>>52031744
As expected. Fucking steelfist commando wording is whack AF on the pfsrd

>>52031759
Right, I'm saying it's largely unnecessary to slow the progress of magic, because it doesn't go very far anyway.

What kingdoms do you consider interesting enough or thematically to be the homeland of an PC?

>>52031803
All of them are good tbhfam

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>still no fey shape spell

>>52031740
Kardzaros Hellreaver, the Blade of Darkness, Wielder of the Akashic Eye, Bearer of the Cursed Flame

Gods bless that boy, he's trying so hard. A true follower of the path of chuuni.

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>>52031803
Aelyosos, also known as not!Greece.

>wizard ate a destruction spell to the face
RIP
his piddly hit dice was never going to save him from 150 dmg

>>52031830
holy fuck dis boi.

>mfw he ends up in a party of baras, ara~aras~, and bara~baras~

>>52031830
I wish I was a dark souls character too...
I wanna roleplay sister friede!

>>52031775
There's plenty of ways to get lots of magical talents in SoP, and, like I said, with how E8/P8 works, you'll get more magical talents/spheres easily.

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So, I'm working on a campaign For mostly 3.5 but there's no standard D&D thread up and you guys are my only hope... And I'm technically using PF's vehicle system so that makes this entire question in the right place? where the main plot thread involves the players trying to overthrow an evil tyrannic kingdom, and to help them with this, a mysterious group gives them an artifact-tier airship.

How should I make airship play fun? I already have in mind a few encounters with the empire's shittier, lower-quality airships (and a few young dragons/bird riding enemies invading the ship) But how should I keep the players moving, other than chasing them? Should this mysterious group give them places to go, or perhaps a list of informants to meet up with?

Maybe I could give them a list of 'artifacts' to find that they can equip their ship with, at least at the start until they can develop informants for themselves?

I'm really not sure. I'm just worried that I'll give them this ginormous world map and none of them have any idea where to go, and I'm looking for ways to avoid that.

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>>52031824
Anuli isn't, unless you want to be a Paladin of Asmodeus.

>>52031908
My point is that Spheres of Power is often used to alleviate the fact that traditional casting systems are plain broken, but E6/E8 flat out stops magic progression before it splits the game over the wizards over-engorged cock.

Are there any books besides Legendary Rogues itself that has legendary rogue stuff? I mean Avoidances, Instincts, Skill Specialities, etc.

>>52032014
No, but Legendary rogue is in the trove.

>>52032003
I feel like E6 is just kind of a half-assed approach to just moving the fuck to 5e if they want lower overall power levels.

>>52032036
But 5e is fucking boring and has no character creation options.

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>>52031929
You would have to make the campaign like Assassin's Creed Black Flag.

Have them hunt down other airships to build a fleet.

Have NPCs give plot hooks that make them want to travel.

Give them opportunities to take control of new territory.

Have some of those NPCs die painfully.

>>52032047
I thought this for a long time but I got to try a learning game of 5e and discovered that my level 2 Rogue in that game had more options than my level 16 Unchained Rogue ever did throughout his run. It was pretty unsettling.

>>52032047
I don't see how 5e is boring when compared to pathfinder, especially E6 pathfinder. It has fewer options, but Pathfinder's wealth of options isn't an advantage when 90% of it is completely worthless trash.

>>52032078
You must not have known all your options.

I've played 5e and don't see how you can think that.

Rogue is one of the best 5e classes now though, I'll give it that.

>>52032078
Are you talking about how you got one good skill and can stab shit?
>>52032079
But those 10% not garbage options vastly outnumber the options you have in 5e.

>>52032079
The 10% of not Trash options is still more interesting and varied than anything in 5e, especially with stuff like Psionics, SoP, SoM, etc.

5e feels like all the weakest parts of D&D had a smooshed together.

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>>52032061
Of all the money that e'er I had
I've spent it in good company

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>>52028352
I had an idea
Paragon Surge is a elf/human hybrid spell.
Well, with bloodforge infusion, there is a elf/orc hybrid. So a new interation of the spell could be done, one more appropiate.
Instead of +2 int/+2 dex and a feat, perhaps +2 str/+2 dex and ferocity ?
Any ideas?

>>52032167
don't do it because its broken

>>52032167
>paragon surge
STOP

Actually Fuck it. Banning Avowed entirely.

>>52032190
I think it's for the best, it went from having slow changes to being completely upended out of nowhere and doesn't seem suitable for a game that isn't for explicitly testing it now.

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>>52032167
ugh, spelling
I meant to say iteration, not interation

Post orc and half-orc waifus you would play as with

>>52032190
B-but why poppa?

>>52032190
Btw, get a trip so people don't assume you're a troll

>>52032171
>>52032185
it is broken because of the free feat, the human part
but if it is orc instead, what is the typical orcish ability?

>>52032222

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4691090/character-creation-rules/?pageforid=4730783#post-4730783

>>52029421
So, does Aether channel work, or does it not work, with "improved unarmed strikes"?

>>52032231
Being retarded

>>52032190
Rest in peace the dream.
I was only thinking of submitting an app for meme magic anyway, no skin off my back

>>52032231
Ferocity

A buddy of mine shared this little set of questions with me a while ago. It might help people with generating a character. I think it comes from DSA but I'm not sure. Anyways, here it is:

1. How does your character look?
2. What is their demeanor to others?
3. How did your character grow up?
4. Does your character still have connections to people of their past?
5. Why exactly is your character adventuring?
6. Where did your character travel already?
7. Does your character hold strong beliefs? Are they religious?
8. What does your character think of magic/hightech?
9. What is it your character would risk their life for?
10. What is your characters greatest desire?
11. What is their greatest fear?
12. How moral and lawfull is your character?
13. How open to strangers is your character?
14. What is a life worth to your character?
15. How does your character feel about animals?
16. Foes your character have a sense for aesthetic?
17. Favorite food and beverage?
18. What is your character's love life like?
19. Does your character have a dark secret?
20. What are your character's most obvious characteristics?

>>52032190
The funny thing is that Dragon Avoweds focusing on the breath/claws option would have hardly been affected from most of these changes.

Why's the unified link repository gone from the OP?

>>52032282
This sounds autistic as fuck and entirely pointless.

>>52032167
>>52032278
is what i thought
it seems people having a kneejerk reaction to Paragon Surge
so, +2 str/+2 dex and ferocity would be the appropiate paragon surge for orc/elf?

>>52032306
You sound like an idiot.

>>52032306
It sounds like it was lifted straight out of either L5R, 7th Sea, Dark Heresy, or WFRP to me.

How do you introduce noobs players to the Kender for maximum hilarity?

>>52032332
By showing them this and telling them why they should never play one.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kender

>>52032328
Honestly I don't know the source, I just remembered a friend had sent it to me and figured SOMEBODY might find use out of it. Pathfinder doesn't have an equivlanet IIRC.

>>52032324
Yeah, maybe the feat is really good. But maybe the enhancement bonus to two scores is really good as well?

>>52032332
Kill yourself.

>>52032328
>>52032325
These ANSWER 50 QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER tables seem really fucking autistics and like something the people that actually need it, like first time players and spergs who only care about numbers would completely ignore

>>52032332
>>52032345
>>52032377
Has anyone actually DEALT with kender before or is it just memery?

>>52032377
it is good
but, not broken, and at casting 3rd level spells
most characters will have enhancement items

>>52032386
I don't think they're entirely valueless, but shit like 'what is your character's favorite food' are pretty fucking ancillary.

Yes it can help to jog you into thinking about your character more, but I can scarcely decide what the fuck my own favorite food is.

>>52032101
>>52032108
I know a lot of other classes compare favorably to Pathfinder, but Pathfinder's Rogue, even Unchained just doesn't. "One good skill and can stab shit" is how it more or less played out for me through my 16 level run. I spent half my feats becoming competent at dual-wielding and the other half trying to patch up major holes in my character. It's no good saying that I can tumble around enemies and that I can grapple when the game's so punishing to me for not equipping out in those options.

My 5e rogue got to somersault over fence posts, throwing daggers upside down at his pursuers without any fiddling of the rules. It's possibly that was about as good as it gets since I only went that far, but I was impressed by being competent at melee and ranged with skills that stayed relevant and a lot of turn options to pick from.

PF is still my choice of game and I'm hesitant to move but the 5e issue doesn't seem nearly as bad as people make it out to me. You should be able to cover all by the most esoteric concepts.

>>52032439
Meh, I like to figure out little details about my characters...but more just as a way of feeling it out and thinking about what would help define them.

Games that make you answer questions in a list just feel like inorganic busywork.

>>52032397
Yes. I played a goofy campaign where people were drawn from all sorts of different dimensions (read, campaign settings) into a battle royale. There was a House Cannith noble, a Thayan knight, a Signer from Sigil, and a Kender.

There wasn't a Kender for very long.

>>52032442
"My 5e rogue got to make jump checks and use weapons nonlethally and my DM let me do it because 5e doesn't have any rules about nonlethal damage and no concrete DCs for acrobatics checks checks. So it's a better game."

>>52032386
First time player will most likely do what the GM tells them to, and will end up with a more thought-out character as a result. People who sperg out about having to fill a questionnaire are ones you most likely want to get rid of anyway. Seems like a win-win to me. And anyway, it's 20 questions, should take ten minutes to fill out if you've already been thinking about your character, so it's not a big deal to the rest of the players.

I don't know that I'd use one, but it doesn't seem like such a bad idea as you're making it out to be.

>>52032456
Oh yeah definitely. They work terribly as lists of things to be answered, but just reading the questions can, in some cases, get you thinking about it. Which is the ultimate goal.

>>52032442
>You should be able to cover all by the most esoteric concepts.
No you can not.

Person who punches things well because he is strong is something that is pretty much impossible to do in 5e for example.

>>52032493
Barbarian with Tavern Brawler.

>>52032524
>Use a weapon so inferior that even with your level 20 rage bonus damage you won't be hitting as hard as a level 1 fighter with a greatsword and the same strength score

>>52032598
You didn't say it had to be competetive, you just said a man who punches well because he is strong. Comparatively a barbarian with tavern brawler punches way harder than anyone who is a monk, and most of it is by virtue of his strength.

I'm not even the guy you were talking to before the barbarian thing, just playing devil's advocate.

>>52032479
There're things I wish they had real rules for but jumps and acrobatics are one of the things that do actually have clear and concise rules, you fuck. When I said upside down, I meant I was upside down throwing two daggers, attacking mid-jump-movement because the game actually lets me do without crippling myself on Shot on the Run.

>>52032493
>>52032598
I'd argue that one's easier to get away with in 5e than in Pathfinder too. It's sub-optimal, but pugilist playstyles have always been straight up crippled here without 3pp supplements.

There's a lot of shit that does turn me off of 5e and reasons I'm still playing Pathfinder, but I'm pretty convinced right here that the people looking down on the system don't actually know anything about it. What's being said isn't "debatable", it's just plainly false.

>>52032397
The problem is that kender aren't bad because of memes--there is no Drizz't equivalent to make them an insufferable conga line of mary sue wankfests.

They're bad by definition. Everything about them that is horrible is hard-coded into the lore. They're assholes, they're thieves, and anybody who doesn't like them for being thieving assholes is just designated as insensitive or cruel. Sure, you could play a kender who isn't a giggling shitheel, but that begs the question of why you didn't just play a halfling, or a human, or any other race. It's not bucking convention or subverting a trope when you just remove the one defining thing about a race. And it just so happens that the one thing that defines kender is that they're idiotic, childish douchebags.

>>52032630
Pugilists get shit on because even if it is memery, Reynolds was right about water balloon fighters
Not all concepts are made to be equal

>dragons 2 game says to roll for HP past level 1
>roll with a d8 Hit Dice
>roll two 8s

No one is ever gonna believe me, what do I do?

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>>52032442
>You should be able to cover all by the most esoteric concepts.

How about a mounted knight with a horse that doesn't die to the first fireball thrown its way?

>>52032663
You should have waited until the invite came out so you could do it in game.

>>52032663
Everyone's on the honor system, anon.

>>52032663
Just take the average, it's not like you're losing all that much.

Given that Avowed just got banned, is there any other class that is even remotely similar to what an avowed does?

>Unarmored AC boost
>Weapon damage boost
>Skills and social utility

>>52032630
>what is Dragon Style+Pummeling Charge

>>52032697
Rogue with Prescient Dodger?

>b-but no save booster!
Legendary Rogue my dude

>>52032282
Dragongame applicant. Want me to submit?

>>52032630
Nigger do I need to screenshot the part of the rules that says "you can also use acrobatics to jump and flip and shit I guess?"

>>52032697
Vigilante, probably.

>>52032665
Okay fine you're right, mounted combat and anything with companions seems to be a massive hole in the game and having competent companions is one of the reasons to stick with Pathfinder.

How 'feral' are skinwalkers when they transform. Are they like the shifters of eberron who maybe grew claws or something, or are they like the worgen of world of warcraft where it's basically full on werewolf mode.

Is there a standard? or is it up to player interpretation.

Canonally, how do Elves age? Do they stay child sized for centuries, or do they grow like normal people until they hit 20 or so and just stop?

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>>52032723
Jumps work perfectly fine.

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>>52032746
Officially they just grow claws and sharp teeth, like a beastman. There's nothing stopping from flavoring it as full werewolf/bear/whatever though.

>>52032751
no one knows, please stop bringing it up

>>52032751
It varies from writer to writer. Most who actually use elves as characters tend to have them grow to adulthood at a slightly slower rate, reaching about the equivalent of a human 18 in their 20s.

Those who just have them as background or ancillary characters are more likely to say that they grow proportionately to their ages, being children and then teenagers for decades upon decades.

>>52032762
I dunno anon, it looks like you had to have lifted your arms in order to jump, thus have been unable to throw your daggers, still looks like GM fiat to me.

>>52032751

They pupate at the age of two, turn into horrible insect-like monsters for the next seventy years or so, then molt into regular elves.

Is it a good idea of instead of killing/incapacitating a PC, giving them long-lasting injuries and mutilate them until they can't fight and have to retire?

>>52032829

I like the way you think.

>>52032852
I kind of like dying. But I guess mutilation is cool too though.

Retire, pfft.

>>52032829
This is now universally canon.

>>52032829
Whatever it takes to stop the elf pedophilia sick fucks.

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>>52032829

Yes.

>>52032904
We only tolerate kitsune pedophilia here in pfg

>>52032955
>tfw I have vague memories of this movie but I don't remember if the girl on the train was the same as the woman later who was at the house with the pool

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>>52032852

Long John Silver impersonators.

>>52033033
Was it actually that hard to find a dwarf with alcohol?

>>52032852
I just kill them.

I have villains kill PCs if they can unless they have a pressing reason not to.

>>52033059
It was hard to find a dwarf not looking stern/not in armor.

>>52032829
I want to see a sentient race like cicadas, where they spend most of their lives solitary underground and spend five or six weeks as social sentient adults who look to mate

>>52033025
Catfolk?

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>>52033033
Some possible closeup art?

>>52032630
>I'm pretty convinced right here that the people looking down on the system don't actually know anything about it

>Says the person who played one character up to level 2

You're just shit at making PF rogues, anon.

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>>52032146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxX4YjOx1TA

Also, have the PCs run goods.

>>52033096
I actually had this in my setting. They lived underwater instead of underground however. This was in a setting I talked about where there was no sun/light. They were one of many failed attempts by humans to make a species that could permanently live in the darkness.

They're bioluminescent and when they hatch they move as a great colony of light for two months before finding a new body of water to spawn in and wait for eight years.

>>52028352
What happened to the pastebin?

Should the party be aware that you are a thief/rogue?

>>52033136
You ever make a roll20 page for your game? Cause I still wanna play .

>>52033151
It got ditched in favor of baiting.

>>52033157
Yes? If they think that "I steal things," means "I steal things from everyone," then they deserve to have their biases confirmed.

>>52033151
Someone fucked up the link posting new thread, others were lazy enough to just copy it without fixing and now it's deleted entirely. Here:

>http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

>>52033188
Too busy with life to commit to running a regular game and I don't want to cause a character making frenzy for nothing.

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>>52033157
Only if they know you're there to disarm traps.

Otherwise, you are a light swordsman or archer.

>>52033111
A catfolk is fine too.

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>>52033228

>mfw make a chart for random shapeshifter appearance.
>mfw the first result I get is a brown-haired, brown-eyed Eastern European man with a single birthmark and a blemish on his face.

RNGesus pls.

>>52033157

Knowing your way around locks and traps isn't something to be ashamed of. Being able to quietly retrieve a useful item unseen isn't something to be ashamed of. Knowing where to stab a monster to inflict maximum pain and misery isn't something to be ashamed of. Having a few friends who can get you valuable information or equipment at reasonable prices isn't something to be ashamed of.

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>>52033214
But what if I want the trap to have arms for maximum hugging and cuddling action?