Horus Heresy General (HHG)

>>52027730
>Plastic Mk II next box plz Edition

Fuck that. I want 30 mk4 assualt Marines.

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Emperor of Mankind mini fucking when?!

>>52027793
If it ties into Angelus we could see mkII DA and mkII or mkIV NL assault marines

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Would you look at that /hhg/
You have been granted 1 decree of the emperor
What will it be?
It can be anything you want!

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>>52027878
LIES DEEP IN THE DARK

>>52027878
> dat pic
I just cannot understand why those Cuckstode haven't run over to help yet, or why a Shield Tribune isn't just tanking every attack from horus for Emps.

>>52027793
Don't worry Anon, there will be a mkII box soon enough.. My greedy recaster fingers are all over it.

Complete with the correct phobos bolters, MkII power weapon set as well as a GRAND TOTAL OF... 30 MKII Bodies, 5 Cataphracti Terminators as well as one other thing that I have yet to decide as of now.

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>>52027951
>plastic NL ass Marines
>plastic Night Raptors

Yes please

>>52029118
What if its like a a plastic Landspeeder or something. That would be nice

>>52029109
probably with a Rhino. I'll be including an option for Legion Specific upgrades with the BAWKS.

>>52029150

If they tie it in with Angelus, that could also go with the Atramentar rumor, though I doubt that would be in the plastic box.

A Speeder would be cool, and maybe bikes. I just want to see some plastic assault Marines. They're $45 for 5 dudes right now, which is crazy.

>>52029243
>plastic iron bollocks jetbikes when

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>>52028640
Oh fuck my life why is there a hair in his face

>>52029395
Why do you think he has that facial expression ?

How common were MKIV assault Marines for night lords? Night Raptors use MKV armor, but given the fluff about them, they seem like they came along later.

I ask because I'm debating getting a 20man squad of assmarines, which are the MKIV. Personally, I think NL look best in MKIV armor, but I like the dual turbine look of II and V better.

>>52029533
All traitors had a pretty decent supply of mk4 because most of the Mechanicum favored the traitors

>>52030043

Well, then MKIV it is. It also makes them more distinct from Night Raptors, too, so that's a plus.

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>>52029157
How much?
And where can I get Luna Wolf Transfers?

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>>52028640
WHEN TIME STANDS STILL

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>>52029109
>>52029157
Come on, don't just tease me, I want info.

>>52027730
This is Argel tal. Youre welcome faggots.

>>52029081
Apparently, they were attacking too fast for others to conceive, and each clash between the two of them would be akin to destroy a world, or something.

>>52029109
Would you ship to Canadia when the time comes?

>>52028609
what's the best font to go with it?

>>52027878
M-maybe after Dorn gets a model?

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Which legion has the best color scheme and why is it XX?

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>>52035197
Personally I like Bare Ceramite.
In Aaaaaaaall its tones :^)

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>>52027730
>Plastic Mk II next box plz

Screw that I want mini-titans first! TITANHAMMER WHEN? NOT SOON ENOUGH!.

>>52035197
emperors children

>>52035197
Ultramarines.

>>52035222
Should ceramite even rust?

>>52035291
It does corrode when exposed to extremely hazardous environments. Which is the sort of places the DG go to.

>>52035253
>mini-titans
Knights?

>>52029150
>>52029157
>>52029243
Got to keep in mind, it has to be able to work as a board game. All the boxes use tiles as required terrain, and everything so far has been able to fit on/with them. How would a rhino fit and work with board tiles?

>>52035222
If that's bare ceramite, what's the armour colour of the Knight-Errant and Grey Knights? I thought they had bare (knight-errant) and polished (GK) ceramite as their armour colour.

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[You cunts thought you could get away from me edition]

These threads were fucking GREAT, before Betrayal at Calth.

Ever since then they have been an absolute shit-fest of people not knowing what the living fuck they are talking about asking the dumbest questions about things a simple google would inform them on.
>"Should I buy the rule books?"
>"Should I take my Primarch in a body guard of termies?"
>"What is the most op load out on termies?"
>"Guys, when did MkVII come out in the heresy?"
>"Did the Death Guard have MkVII? Mine do...".
>"Did X legion have X armor? How many of it did they haves? I could read, or google, but I cba. I think they look best in plastic Mk4 anywayz"
>"Guys, is 60 tactical marines, one preator in cataphractii with a chainfist, one primus medicae in cataphractii and a chainfist, and three contemptors make a good army?"
>"Guys, if I don't want to buy FW, LOL COS THEY LOOK POOEY, is the plastic box-sets, which look so GOOD, a good option?"
>"What legion should I collect? I know this is a story driven niche of an already niche industry, but i'm so detached from what makes this form of Warhammer good that I don't even have a top two legions I'm torn between."

I remember being HYPED when these threads started popping up. Really in-depth lore and speculation. People who were in regular contact with BL and FW production teams from weekenders and correspondence. Minute rule discussion. Headcannon. Now all it is is stupid questions, people justifying their tactical boxes purchases, and every time a new GW release comes out it just re-sets all the gayness.

On a side note, as to >>52027793
>>52029118
>>52029150
Discussion, talking to people close to nottingham and the thought processes, it is unlikely there will be a rhino, it will probably be Dark Angels vs Night Lords, so either MkIII or MkII with MkIV + jump packs. There will likely not be another heresy era vehicle in plastic, too much of a cash cow for FW to hand over to the sperges.

Does anyone have the colour-swapped photo of the new Guilliman that makes him look like the Emperor?

>>52035673
Bare bare ceramite and Silver?

>>52035701
>>52029169

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Is there any legal way besides the lord of war slot to take griffons in 30k?

Would you personally be object if I took griffons as my legion artillery selection (paying the appropriate upgrade cost for space marine crew)?

Keep in mind these are genuine FW resin griffons, so not even plasticphobia anons can hate them

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>>52035702
Not really, sorry :/

>>52035701
Well, no one reads the ANSWERS in the OP. What can we do?

>>52035735
Just run them as Medusas.

>>52035701
The thread quality has always been the same, whatever golden you may think existed was probably the same shit we have now just in different color.

>>52035735
>FW griffons
>not using original GW griffons

Why not just use them as Medusas? Would have suggested Whirlwinds, since they both have a mediocre large blast, but then remembered that they're on different hulls.

>>52035791

>just run them as medusaes

huh.

Would the average player even be able to tell they aren't actually medusae? The barrel isn't as thicc but it's the same length.

>>52035701
Eldar made this general. SPACE MUHREEN posters destroyed it.

>>52035791
There is wisdom in this.
This thread has always been shit.

>>52035813

Hilariously enough I run my old 2nd edition, metal manned turret whirlwind as a scorpius.

>>52035222
It's not bare.
It's ivory white.
Read book 1 you fuck

>>52035740
Muchos Gracias Hermano.

in hindsight I should have just done a search for it.

When did Horus changed his armor color to black? When he became Warmaster? Or the Legion renamed to the Sons?

>>52035837
>A
But Eldar aren't playable in 30k?
>B
XENOS-BUILT THREADS MUST BE RAZED TO THE GROUND.

>>52035876
>Or the Legion renamed to the Sons?

This, I think it was after Isstvan.

>>52035197
It's definitely not AL.
AL suck.
It's either Blood Angels, Night Lords, or Dark Angels. Clean Death Guard look boss, but they are never clean. Ever.

>>52035875
De nada

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>>52035791
>Just run them as Medusas

No sir, you cannot do that. You will riun the game if you do that and people will be really angry and screech if they see that.

NO EXCEPTIONS

>>52035876
>>52035701
FUCCKKKK
REEEEEEEE

READ NIGGA READ. READ THE FUCKING BOOKS. HOLY SHIT. ENOUGH. TRIGGERED. MAD. RAGING. BABY RAGE.
HOLY SHIT.

10/10 YOU TROLLED ME. I KNOW YOU'RE TROLLING AND IT FUCKING WORKED. GOOD JOB. POST YOUR SMILEY FACE.

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>>52035920
This pic is better off in your hands.

>>52035869
I'm working on making a manned turret whirlwind as a scorpius.

>>52035673
We have no idea. You've got novels referring to pale gray Death Guard when they always looked painted ivory to me. Some of the early Crusade-era gray schemes seem to be bare ceramite too. GW sells a color called Ceramite White. So who knows? I'd be surprised if we ever got a canonical ruling about it.

>>52035735
I don't believe there's a way. You sure you wouldn't stand them in as Medusas? But no, I wouldn't object to Griffon stats and points (how would they be pointed, anyway?), even though the Chimera chassis doesn't exist in HH yet.

>>52035876
Got pimp black armor around the time he became Warmaster (actually one of the Mechanium short stories makes it sound like the Traitor Fabricator General gave it to him as an 'I'm all in for Heresy" gift).
Changed legion to Sons of Horus after Interex campaign

>>52035944
Isn't that the D&D 5e handbook?

>>52035813
>>52035791

See my issue is that I have 3 griffons and would never feel cheesy using them, but 3 medusas sounds mean.

>>52035961
Didn't the one IH in MkIII with MkIV parts used to repair it note that the parts were unpainted parts straight from the factory, and they were all grey.

>>52035968
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. We haven't been ressuplied so it'll have to do

>>52035979
3 Medusa is mean.
But some people deserve mean.
Are your friends TS/SW/Cuckstode/IW players? If yes, don't feel bad.

>>52035962
No. He didn't get black armor then.

READ NIGGER. FUCKING READ.

Why would he have turned the Fabricator General to his rebellion BEFORE he became warmaster in order to have that suit commissioned?

FUCKING. R-E-A-D.

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>>52035961
Bare Ceramite is ivory-grey
>>52035872
No, fuck u :^)

>>52035979
Give them phosphex shells. Those aren't as good as the regular medusa shells.

Or 3 whirlwinds with pintle heavy bolters. Explain shittier armour with fuck you, that's why. GW doesn't need a reason to give the same hull different armour values and neither should you.

>>52035961

Since that's everyone's suggestion, I might fly it by the usual crowd at 30k night and see what they say.

I'd just take the Imperial armor 1 version, slap on 10 points or whatever for BS4, voila.

>>52036012
Then he got it shortly before the whole Istvaan III betrayal.
His old shit was white or something. Like when Sanguinius and him wiped out those gross jelly nephilim xenos.

>>52036010
>3 Medusa is mean.
>But some people deserve mean.
Uhhh, how about 4 Medusae, in two squads of 2?

>>52036048
Artillery tanks are 0-1 choice, you can only have one unit of 3 max.

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>>52036047
>Like when Sanguinius and him wiped out those gross jelly nephilim xenos.
You made me remember.
He had white armour at the Triumph of Ullanor, so he must have changed it to black when the LW became the SoH.
Heh, back in the day he fought with power (paragon?) sword and combi-bolter. Those were the days.

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>>52036081
;^)

>>52036047
>White or something

Are you 13? Why are you telling me things I clearly already know? Why do you speak in a way which implies you don't really know and don't really care, but you're telling people, confidently, things which are wrong?

DROP 30K. Stop playing it. Go read the fucking books, LISTEN when it's talked about, don't talk.

Please can we burn these threads off the face of the earth? Or have some kind of password-protection introduced to access them. The sheer amount of "I don't know a fucking thing" is hurting me.

>>52036129
wew

>>52036155
Good, pain builds character.

>>52036155
Can we also get rid of "I don't like it, so it shouldn't be"?

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>>52036155
We do have a failsafe that back in the day removed most of the autism from these threads, and as of today it seems the situation has reversed and...
No, you know what, there's autism here, there, everywhere.
And >>52036168 is right. Pain builds character, Need breeds innovation and Struggle brings growth.
You'll come out of this crucible forged anew...or you won't come out at all.

>In autism and shitposting tested.

>>52036183
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

No! I don't like and I know how this game should be played by everyone!

Go hang yourself and take your plastic models with you!

>>52036155
You know what, just because of this post, I am going to convert some of the shitty old scout models I have in the back of my closet into 30k recon marines. And I won't even convert them either, I'll just paint them in a 30k scheme, oversized knives and all.

>>52036226>>52036183

There is a difference between autism and being irritated when someone can't even know the answer, or even has to ask "When did Horus become Warmaster?"

It is on the tier of "Who is chaos?"
"Has Sanguinius got wings?"
"Which Primarch Died first?"
"Who were the traitors and who weren't?"

The questions just scream "WHY are you here?" Why the fuck do you CARE about this game? How did you even hear about it? Why would you even want to put money into playing it?

Do salamanders have a tiny fraction of a perpetuals ability?

That seems to be the source of Vulkans toughness and since it's their legion trait, it only goes to reason that a small part was passed down.

>>52035063
I really hope they pose him standing vigil on some battlements

>>52036294
You were going to do that anyway, don't use me as an excuse. I'm sure they'll look terrible and you're a shit painter.

>>52029081
DBZ levels of combat in where the strongest custodes can only broadcast the combat to the weakest Krillin and Piccolo style

>>52036294

I have done this for scout marines for not one but two different legions

>>52036294
The ones with the poofy sleeves? I love those dudes. If only I didn't have a PA recce squad, I'l get some WHFB Empire arms and convert me poofy sleeved scouts.

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>>52036312
Your heart is in the right place, but you're crying over spilled water and only making the problem bigger.
Tell them the answer they're looking for is in the HH books or in the wikis and be done with them, instead of making marines with the Nails look calm and collected by comparison.

>>52036350

I use plastic and metal scouts as recon marines and used my PA recon squad as an AL command squad (who better to represent tacticool?)

>>52036325
>Since it's their legion trait

Where does any of the fluff imply that any Salamanders aside from Vulkan perpetuals?

>it only goes to reason that a small part was passed down

Why? The Emperor was a perpetual, and only one of the Primarchs is known to be a perpetual.

Are you asking in the sense of fluff or rules? What does a "Tiny fraction of immortality" mean? Have you thought this out in your own head? Have you googled it?

>>52036312
>/hhg/
>being autistic is ok, but don't you dare to irritate me

Hide posts, motherfucker, do you know how to do it?

>>52035701
Will they ever make an update mini of the Saturnine armor?

>>52036370
this.

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>>52036395
No. Sorry :(

>>52035120
So which legion's, and which primarchs probably took sex slaves?

>>52036395
No. Try googling these kinds of questions next time.

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>>52036415
DG
They dress them in gold and tell them to remain silent.
They really miss the SoS, nobody purged witches like them
:^'(

I really hoped this thread would be better.

All is lost

>>52036387
>>52036370
It's not the specific posts which are in question, its the fact that EACH and EVERY thread is a total repetition of each one before that.

Stupid, dumb, simple, moronic questions, the same ones, over and over and over and over. I don't want to have to hide the threads but... I guess retards don't get better by slapping them... they'll probably get on better without me raging at them to pick up a book or use a search engine or even just know anything about the hobby they're spending hundreds to be involved in.

>>52036432
What is your definition of better?

A rolling, sticky-fingers-of-a-retarded-child, dick touching "Haha~ Which Daddy is the bestestest?" "guiez, can marc Four be taken in my army? I do dark angles~" "Hehe, primarchs are so badass when is mine getting a model? OH, he has one? err.... is it coming out in plastic?"

Wow. Quality.

>>52036415
I can tell you which didn't. XII and XIX.

Erect your phallus, son, it's liberation time!

>>52036415
Night Lords occasionally did, under Curze's nose. At first, he flayed any marine that he discovered to be guilty of this act, but over time more and more legionaries were found to be guilty, and so he arrived at the predicament where executing all the rapists would have cut the strength of the legion in half.

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>>52036325
The Salamanders are resilient but by their own means, both their bodies to radiation and their minds to fear...but they're still killable.
Unless you give them a fucking Mantle of the Elder drake and a Dragonscale shield, then they'll never fucking die.
Perhaps that'd explain how Numeon came back.
Is that a Volkite spear?
>>52036508
For the record, if you didn't battered at them to read then they'd never ever pick the goddamed books. Everything has a purpose and a place, anon. Even our anger.

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>>52031263
AT THE IRON HILL

We need to make a 30k version of this song now

>>52036533
>he arrived at the predicament where executing all the rapists would have cut the strength of the legion in half.
Which is why he lost 45% of his legion on Istvaan III?

>>52036381

Because cassian dracos survived being nuked to the face and salamanders are typically known for being the most physically tough of any not nurgle/beep boop marine.

>have you googled it?

I think you're overdosing on memes today m8

>>52036415

Did you google it, shitlord?

Get the fuck out of my thread and take your plastic sex dolls with you

>>52036432
>>52036508

You should google how to make a better thread instead of posting about it, fucking morons

>>52036557
That's a pretty standard casualty figure for whenever the Night Lords are forced to fight something that isn't an unarmed civilian.

>>52036568
Partially correct answer.
Dracos was forged by Vulkan out of a DAoT alloy, so it doesn't really count, and the top three tough marines are the DG and Sallies true, but also the IHs.
DGs are matched with Sallies, but Mortarion isn't a perpetual so it has nothing to do with it.

>>52036557

You mean isstvan IV


Yes, 'tism

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Gueiz which Legion should I collect? Dubs decides. Space wolves box sets from GW are okay for HHheresy / 30k right, if I get told to do spacewolves?

Which books do I need to buy? Does anyone know where I could like, download them for free or something? Has anyone photographed the pages?

When you say the legion I should buy, can you tell me what is best for them and who their primarch is and where their rules are?

I can't find anything in the space marine codex about Legion rules.

>>52036683
Kek, fuck you.
Istvaan III best Istvaan, no matter if it's plastic or resin. Made for forward assault operations.

>>52035906
>blood angels
>just a bunch of red

>dark angels
>just a bunch of black

1/3 the Night Lords are pretty neat looking.

So who would win~?

Horus or Sanguinius?

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>>52035906
>Clean Death Guard look boss, but they are never clean. Ever.
One day we'll be sent to the planet of polish and wax. One day...

>>52036796

Won't know until the black book is released, all BL and GW sources are noncanon

>>52036796
Sanguinius will probably be able to beat current horus.

Horus with chaos juice will probably be able to beat him.

IV + XII + XIV legion co-op battle when.

>>52036853
You mean there are rumors they're going to fight??

Don't tease! I gotta know! Will we get a model of them?

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>>52036878
Don't make me want things I can't have, anon.
I guess IV + XII + Emperor's Talons will have to do for tonight.

What Chaos god faction do the black legion belong to? Like, if the word eaters are Korn, and the Purple guys are pleasure, which is Horus?

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>>52036892
Memery aside, I hope the Chaosjuice Horus' base can be locked with Sanguinius' like Fulgrim and Ferrus can..

>>52036962

Belakor :^)

>>52036962
Huros worships Dahrksid. This well known.

>>52036370
>Kharn, First Captain of the World Eaters
>First Captain

I mean...I guess, technically, if only because the first 7 were killed, but come on FW...you guys of all people ought to know better.

Grav Rhino's when boys?

>>52035890
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k#Eldar_in_30k_.28Eldar_Craftworlds.2C_Dark_Eldar.2C_Eldar_Harlequins.2C_and_Eldar_Corsairs.29

>>52029081
The Custodes are very far away and will in any case be intercepted by the traitors entering behind Horus.

A better question is why are the Custodes over by the window instead of coming through the door behind the Emperor, even if they're only a few minutes behind (since he finds Horus when both are alone).

The answer to that is thematic composition: Horus' eye sigil dominates the right-hand side of the image, indicating his baleful power being turned on Terra, which dominates the left (and is above rather than below because Horus is a creature of the underworld by this stage). The Custodes, guardians of Terra, are therefore thematically standing "between" Horus and his goal, as are the God-Emperor and his slain angel. If this was painted on the roof of the Sistine Chapel, you'd be fucking loving it, you heretic.

What I really want to know is what's up with that globe with the moon by the CSMs in the right corner. It's just kind of there, at the top of the stairs. It's pretty redundant (since it's not recognizably Terra) so it's just the clutter of a crazy old Warmaster... but what does he do with it?

>>52035673
Bare ceramite with a different finish.

Polished, even. Just as little as that.

>>52035876
>>52031241
>>52029533
>>52027878
>>52036415
>>52036702
>>52036796
>>52036962
>>52037113


The later ones are me, the salty cunt, memeing. But do you guys now realize how fucking annoying it is? We need to DO something. If only to add a permanent header to the Original Post listing a couple examples of stupid questions.

We can't let one of the best topical generals (in that the topic is great, not the threads themselves) be reduced to a constant, never ending, stupid questions, ignorant people, plastic justification, people who don't know and don't care about the FIRST things in the setting of 30k, people who can't even be bothered to know ANYTHING or even find out ANYTHING on their own before delving into the subject. OVER and over and over and over and over and over, thread after thread after thread after thread, the SAME questions, the same dumbfuckness.

Seriously. Maybe having a first post in the thread being a standard template of saying NO "dubs decides my legion" "did this armor mark exists/get used by xyz" "Can I take". It's all THERE right at the top. Wiki's are THERE for basic fluff. We need to do something guys, because these threads have shit discussion outside of Forgeworld Open days and recent BL HH book releases.

>>52037261
it's the problem with generals. Everything that can be talked about has been. Or we assume that this is the case.

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>>52037261
Want better, more meaningful discussion? How about starting some? Want to see cool models? Make some and post. Want to stop shitposting? Stop shitposting.

>>52037261
How about you add a fucking sentence or two to the outdated OP instead of being a cunt when people come in and have no idea how to start friend? See how nobody actually responded to your literal dumbshit questions?

>>52037356

No clearly the solution is to make the OP copy pasta more passive aggressive as ironic shitposters obviously read the OP thoroughly before asking facetious questions to trigger autistaetors.

>>52037356
I'm not talking about stopping shitposting. Shitposting is fine, we can all identify and ignore it. I'm talking about ignorant as shit discussion or questions from people who clearly know nothing about, and can't be bothered to find out about, 30k.

I'm trying to start a discussion about circumventing something which takes up 60% of these threads, which means they will go slower, take a longer time to reach their post limits, last on the board for longer, and have, theremore, far more considered content.

I DO want to see those things, but we need something added to the picture, the OP post, or the first post as a C&P rules/guidelines.

>>52027730
BoP paint guide link is broken

>>52037261
The OP already has that info, but it's never heeded. I also like the first post general message. What you propose does have merit, of course, so here's this.
Standard responses.
Whenever I asked my father the meaning of a word he made me grab a dictionary and search it up myself.
Thus, we could give standard responses to dumb questions.
>Hey guise what about X?
>It's documented in Y, go read it.
So they'll leave for answers and we'll keep our sanity.
I knew those posts were a dissillutioned (You), but I tried to go Salamander/Death Guard/Iron Warrior on you:
In order for our works endure, we must endure ourselves. We're not right because we're mighty, we're mighty because we're right.

Stupidity and ignorance are inherent of mankind (why do you think only the Emperor could lead us?), but the ones who know must school the ones who don't.

I'm with you, brother. Do not despair. We got a new book, I'll post meaningful stuff when I finish, I promise, and I want you to be there so we can discuss it.

Also, I can't meme if there's not enough quality posting to dilute my shit, so I'm interested

>tfw chastised by one of the legion's Forge Tyrants for combining two Kalibrax V-1 Pattern lasrifles with a Volkite Caliver and a Conversion Beamer

>>52037423
>>52037427
Don't be mad because you're part of the problem. Become a more informed part of the community.

I'm being a wanker, but it's the only way to make you all stop and think about what you're actually talking about.

>>52037491

>make you stop and think about what you're talking about

You mean goad on armor mark spergs

>>52037491
Not really friend, not everyone can be a turboautist lore wizard. And are you really getting upset about a discussion on this, our australian shitposting board?

>>52037462
Yeah yeah...that'll drive those plastic plebs away.

Get fuck you autistic piece of shit. All you do is bitch and cause arguments.

How about YOU fuck off, you are as much of a problem as the people you bitch about.

>>52037491

I would take all the dumb newbies in the world over stupid resin-only grognards who do nothing but bitch.

>>52037583
THIS

We need more Auramite Cog Solid V posting.

>>52037553
>>52037570
>>52037571
Alright guys, you just ask dumb questions about models being released in plastic 4 years from now which no one can possibly know the answer to, console yourselves about how you never liked skinny MkIV legs anyway, talk about easy to access fluff which you know nothing about, ask about easy to access rules which you can't be bothered to read, don't post your models, don't post interesting lists, don't discuss how to interpret rules which havn't made it to a FAQ yet, talk about which primarch can beat which primarch, roll those dubs on someone who can't be bothered to even have an affinity to a particular Legion, and do that again and again and again and again and again, day in, day out, thread after thread.

30k isn't FOR people who don't care about fluff. It is a subset of a period of history of a single faction from one half of a table-top gaming company franchise. WHY you would even WANT to be here if it didn't fascinate you to the point of actually reading things about it independently I don't think I will ever understand.

>>52037570
>not everyone can be a turboautist lore wizard
I-i'll be your turbo lore autist. It's ok, I sort of like answering questions. That's pretty much what I've been doing all this time anyway

>>52035701
>I remember being HYPED when these threads started popping up. Really in-depth lore and speculation.

We tried to discuss the reason why Horus turned traitor in the last thread but you just had to keep shitposting about plastic plebs ruining your game.

>>52037662
I'm trying to help, why don't you give me any (You)s?

>>52037677
No you didn't. I was there the entire thread.
And at any rate, that is EXACTLY the kind of stupid question I am on about. It doesn't belong in a general about a game system, it deserves its own thread, once a month, and other than that, in books and wikis. READ. Use your EYES nigga.

>>52037583
Seconded

>>52037662
Are you saying because we want to ask questions we dont care about the fluff? Fuck off. We're here to learn. How the fuck are you supposed to grow a hobby when you hate new guys?

>>52037662

It's not your thread grognard, you can fuck off back to your subreddit and make whatever moderation standards you'd like.

>>52037699
Who says YOU have to answer any questions? Are you too autistic to ignore a dumb question and let somebody else answer it?

This isn't your thread, its everyone's. Its a General too so all topics relating to the game are okay.

>>52037662
>30k isn't FOR people who don't care about fluff
>>52037699
>Fluff questions doesn't belong in a general about a game system

wut

>>52037732
L-leave the questions to me, guys. I'll handle them from 14:00 to 22:00.
It's sort of what I do...

So, do you guys think Blood Angels will get any interesting special units beyond Sanguinary Guard? I can't think of any legion specific terminators and death company isn't really a thing yet.

Maybe some legion specific vehicle? I don't know, I really hope they push they shock and awe avenging angel aspect of Blood Angels.

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>>52037715
I don't hate new guys, but much like when you want to join a book club, or travel to a foreign country, or knit, or sew, or cook food, you actually have to understand the very basics of what the fuck it is you're doing and what you want from it.

You don't turn up to an airport and do "Where is a good place to go on holiday?" or go to that book club and go "So what happened at the end?" It's fucking stupid. What you could really get out of it, and everyone else could really get out of it, are those lovely "OHHHH" moments where small details and nuances click, or asking about how contradictions in fluff mesh or fail to mesh. Asking "When did Horus become warmaster and bad?" is so disgustingly painful to everyone else.

I'm fine with you all going REEEE, I know I speak for dozens of people who would word things less harshly, or just not bother bringing it up at all.

All you have Betrayal at Calth. All of you have 5 plastic custodians you have no idea what to do with. I would wager you have maybe the first 3 or 5 BL books, MAYBE, MAYBE ONE of the red books. And that's it. READ niggers. Please.

>>52037774

I care if the guy wanting to join gives a shit, not what his prior knowledge is. Your metric for judging newbies is off.

>>52037774
Please go to bed Perturabo

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>>52037699
>that is EXACTLY the kind of stupid question I am on about. It doesn't belong in a general about a game system, it deserves its own thread, once a month, and other than that, in books and wikis. READ.

Soo..... if the cause of the Heresy is not relevant, then what exactly counts as, in your words, "in-depth lore"?

Also why the hell don't you post some of your superior resin marines so every person with BaC minis can hang their heads in shame?

I'll start by reposting some of my shit tier plastic garbage just to make you feel better.

>>52037774
Is this a troll?

>>52037774
Time to go to bed, anon.

>>52037774
And what are the basics of 30k? Thats right, 40k. I'm sure none of us just decided to pick up 30k out of nowhere. Notice how all those books you guys read say "a supplement for warhammer 40k"? At the moment you're only speaking for yourself and another it seems. Some of us don't have 30k groups to talk to at our LGS. Go take a cold shower and wash off the grease.

>>52037774
If you really don't like being surrounded by ignorant plebs, it would be much faster for you to just get out of /hhg/ and find your own decent people to talk to. Honestly.

>>52037758
Death company is more of a RoW atm, and they don't really happen until after Sanguinius' death, which is the trigger.
Back then they only had the Red Thirst, and it was thankfully rare.
I am thinking they'll have.a termie unit, yes. But all I know is the angels are the rip and tear Legion.
See? I'm answering questions. There's no need to worry

>>52037822
I doubt he actually plays the game, he probably has no friends to play with.

I can't see why since he sounds like a blast to have in a group.

>>52037758

Red Thirst crazy guy consul type maybe? Like a melee moritat

>>52037933
Maybe, unfortunately any melee consul is going to get over shadowed by a praetor with a blade of perdition.

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Hurry up and ship you bastard

Possibly a talked to death topic, but the homebrew post in the last thread made me think about some of my own HQ choices. What are the good uses for a forge lord, and how would you kit one out for each role. Are servo-automata worth the points investment on one or a techmarine?

>>52037950

Sure and that's fine, he just needs to be "stormraven proxying as a storm eagle" levels of REEE against 3+ marines to have a cool little niche, if he's cheap enough

>>52038001
Well, either full tank mode w/ Rad in melee squad, or on bike w/ C-Beamer.

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>>52038001

Forgelords are fun as fuck

First they're one of the only units that anyone can take that can get a 3++ by combining cataphractii and a familiar

Add a (relentless) conversion beamer and he's a tough artillery piece

He combos amazingly with servitors with rad missiles as they can knock down thallax to T4 so he can ID them or wound a castellax on a 2+ for the rest of the game.

Forgelord + rad servitors is probably one of the best sources of rad phage in the game.

Oh and he can take a jetbike if you just want a really fucking fast relentless conversion beamer

or he can hang out with your jetbikes/outriders because he's got fucking rad grenades on a bike chassis.

And to top it all off he can have a nuncio vox in any of those combos.

I've ran a forgelord no RoW list as AL and it's fun and effective

Pic related, my MVP

>>52038071
I've played around with the idea of modeling one in cataphractii, but it seems like a large points investment for what is essentially just a 2w chosen with a Toughness debuff attached.

Any thoughts on the servo-automata? the use of them in recon companies as pseudo-devastators is there, but I haven't seen much discussion about the rad missiles option or any of the other weapons loadouts.

>>52038118

Servo automata with rad missiles are pricey but solid even for their points. T5 in 4+ cover in your deployment zone is pretty tough and being able to dump 4 small blast templates with fleshbane and radphage is useful against anything but a knight list.

>>52038105
>I've ran a forgelord no RoW list as AL and it's fun and effective
Ooh nice. Mind telling me about it? I want to know about the supposed AL's main trait being flexibility.

What point size is commonly played at your store?

>>52038182

It was a mostly armored list with the forgelord way in the back in cover. He provided some very needed objective cleansing by wiping out thallax, rapiers and tacticals in spades while the Spartan and sicarans did the heavy lifting.

The forgelord himself won't necessarily benefit hugely from mutable tactics directly (although don't underestimate a long range tank hunter conversion beamer + krak missiles)

but he benefits greatly from having a Spartan scout move up the table and take attention away from him.

No RoW in that list because there really wasn't any gimmick I wanted to push.

>>52038214

1k zone mortalis for a quick game, 2k normal 30k night 1v1, 3k 3v3 if we have a lot of new guys/new armies being made.

3k for tournaments or long casual games

>>52038319
Which do you prefer?

My group is obsessed over 2500-5000 2v2 or 2v1 or god awful 3v2 games that take all night to play.

I lose interest about halfway in the game, and would rather play ZM...but group isn't haveing any of it.

>>52038382
I have the same problem. Everyone wants to play high points for >muh scale, but I'm just over here wanting to do Victory is Vengeance...

>>52038382

ZM is fun as fuck, if I worked all day and get to the store at 6:00 or so, I prefer a quick and dirty ZM game.

All of the optional rules for ZM make it a blast to play. Doors add a lot of unpredictability (the good kind) to the game and make it feel a lot like space hulk.

3v3 3000 point games (so 1000 points each) can be a lot of fun too since it's a big group of guys playing together.


5000 2v2 sounds like a fucking mess.

>>52038417
I wouldn't mid a big game once in awhile, just not every time we get together.

I've always wanted to do a full narrative campaign, with scaling armies.

Anyone ever do anything like that?

>>52038462
Quick, someone post the story of the bitterboy blowing up his own bunkers!

>>52038462
Haven't run conquest yet, and still reading into it for any 'gotchas', but I'm currently making a DIY zone mortalis board and plan to run an escalation campaign using the board once it's complete.

>>52038439
It is a mess. If its just a couple of us that show up i can normally get them down to 2500 points, which I can handle.

But, like you, when I get off work and show up, I'd like a quick and brutal game with some good banter etc.

>>52037171
>The Custodes are very far away and will in any case be intercepted by the traitors entering behind Horus.

Irrelevant. 1 cuckstodes can kill like 50 chaos marine.

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>>52035701
>"I like thing."
>Other people like thing, they aren't experienced with it.
>"REEEEE"
Yes they could put a bit more effort into just looking for things themselves but nobody will want to get into the game if people act like they're better for having been in before it was almost affordable.
And if it's that bad, just ignore it.

And in the spirit of raging at stupid questions, Where on forge world are just general Mk II marines? I saw HQs with it and upgrade packs, but otherwise just upgrade packs.

>>52038534
>Where on forge world are just general Mk II marines?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Legion-MkII-Crusade-Armour-2016

>>52038567
thank you.
No special rules to it right? It's just treated as a different design?

>>52038622

Precisely

I'm having a hard time deciding on Terminator loadouts /hhg/ I know the conventional wisdom regarding terminators at least for the most part, but none of it seems to help much when I'm trying to put together a pride of the legion list for Raven Guard. Use will be for zone mortalis boarding actions, but I also wanted to try and make it workable for standard 30k. Currently have 2 squads of cataphractii and 3 squads of tartaros, all unbuilt except for 1 squad of tartaros. some magnet work is being done on right arms to allow for combi/volkite swaps, but given the nature of the plastic terminator kits and upgrade sets I have to glue left arm weapons in place and the same for any special weapon arms (reaper/HF) I only have 5 combi-weapons available to spread around as well.

>>52038858

Shooty termies: cataphractii

Sweepy tactical deleters: tartaros

Anti termie terminators: cataphractiis with fists

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For anyone who hasn't seen a warlord in person and haven't appreciated it's size:

Here's a WIP warlord holding a wraithknight in its powerfist

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>>52038996
Holy Omnissiah.

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>>52039025
posted this before, but it's actually kind of fun to see the underneath without all the plate attached. Commission build (no paint) that has since been delivered.

>>52038996
I love that - great way to remind people that knights are NOT Titans.

>>52039050

But they're called knight Titans.

>>52039037

You can really see the similarities between the FW warlord and the old epic Armageddon warlord without the round armor plates

I'm surprised I haven't seen any conversions making a FW warlord into a Lucius pattern yet

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>>52039075
>knight Titans

The internet is wrong.

>>52039075
interesting thought, do they therefore count for the purposes of secutarii? FW never did really define what classes as a Titan for the purposes of that rule.

>>52035701
Okay... Well I'm torn between Iron Warriors and Ultramarines...

>>52039094

No, questoris Knights don't have the word Titan anywhere in their rules.

>>52039087

I would prefer it to be this clear cut, believe me.

>>52039109
Ultras primary with loyalist IW secondary? can make dantioch's force from the pharos

Gold within, Iron without

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What's better, 2 shot strength D or 2 shot STR 10 AP1 twin linked tank hunter?

sup /hhg/,

I'm expanding my XIIIth and want to add some Locutarus Assault Squads. However, most of my army is in Mk3, which isn't really fitting for Jump Pack Units, so my question is:

Should I use Mk4 or even Mk6 for my Locutarus or just put them in Mk3 anyway?

>>52039145
Fuck yeah! thank you!

>>52039145
Are there any other Loyalist IW forces anyone can think of?, I'm having a hard time finding any

>>52039094
>do they therefore count for the purposes of secutarii?
>>52039128
>Knights don't have the word Titan anywhere in their rules.

Interestingly enough, the Warhound, Reaver, and Warlord unit Compositions always mention "Titan", but the Warlord-Sinister is referred to in the Unit Composition and next to its stat line simply as a Warlord-Sinister. As Ordo Sinister Sinister does have Secutarii, do their Secutarii benefit from the Titan Guard rule? or is it RAI that they do not, due to the Shroud of Terror?
Forgive me if I'm being an idiot.

>>52039237

I don't think anyone will ever seriously argue that the warlord sinister is not a Titan but fuck me, idiots have tried to claim terminators don't wear terminator armor before

>>52039220

There's no reason at all they can't be Mk2, 4 or 5.

Mk6 works too but can be a little harder to get a full jump pack unit of

>>52039200

And yes I am asking if taking the Porphyron instead of a warhound is worth it

>>52038517
But that takes time, and if they don't stop to do it they'll be attacked from the rear anyway.

The Emperor and Horus are already fighting. This isn't your Dragon Ball Z, that fight's going to be over in seconds before anything mortal can possibly intervene.

>>52039255
>There's no reason at all they can't be Mk2, 4 or 5.
Ok. which one do you think fits best with the Mk3? I actually kinda like Mk4 because it has that High Tech look, but it clashes with Mk3 a bit when put next to each other.

>>52039307
Mk2

>>52039344
Thanks for the input!

>>52039307

Mk2, since Mk3 is literally just Mk2 with some extras bolted on.

On tabletop, what would be the 'head' when fell off that would make the body wither? Warlord kill is good, but it would not make the opponent unable to function, or break chain of command.

...Should I cut my opponent player's head off?

>>52039236
Kyr Vahlen's group for one

>>52039227
Glad to help

>>52039441
>Warlord kill is good, but it would not make the opponent unable to function, or break chain of command.

If you kill off the HQs in an Ultramarines army, the whole army has to take a pinning test.

>>52039441
Cortex Controllers (or Psykers in the case of TS) where Automata are present, Warlords and HQs in UM, NL, TS and Mechanicum armies. Primarch and 10-man TDA squads in Super-heavy. In all honesty it varies on case-to-case basis and skilled opponent will not allow it.
In my opinion it's better to shatter the backbone of the enemy army because even the head can only do so much.

>>52036312
>"Which Primarch Died first?"
Alright, was it II or XI?

Just how the hell Vulkan and his black guys suddenly become to love Japan and Samurai culture?

>>52036312
>"Has Sanguinius got wings?"

This is a question that gets asked?

>>52040084
>suddenly become to love Japan and Samurai culture?
1) Wait, what?
2) Where the hell did you import that grammar from?

>>52040192
Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. Can read shits most of the time, but it's troublesom for me to write and speak properly.

>>52040192
And IIRC Salamanders had 'kamikaze' tendencies before Vulkan came in, and later adopted 'Saburai' culture.

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Finally finished this tactical squad. What say you /hhg? And what are you working on?

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I've been working on my Praetor and I've wanted to convert them to add a helmet but none of the ones I've tried fit. Does anyone have some tips on how to convert them or fit a helmet onto the models (The cataphractii and the normal model)

>>52040416
Just keep on shaving off the back until you can shove it it.

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>>52035063
HAHA good one anon

>>52040433
The back of what exactly? The collar or the little "slot" for the head?

>>52040528
The head itself. No one is going to see the back of it, just keep on carving it away

>>52040537
I didn't think of that.. I'll go try that now, Thanks for the help

>>52040393
Looking good! How did you dirty up the armour?

>>52040583
Thanks! I sponged on some dark grey paint and used black weathering powder on the boots and greaves.

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>>52040631
>my reaction when I realise Paragon blades mean I can have a sword and board terminator who's actually decent at his job

>>52040669
Not sure whether Dorn is special, or other Primarchs were also called as their Legion name - the Blood Angel, the Night Lord, the World Eater and shit.

>>52040740
>Ferrus Manus

>>52035197
Gotta give it to the Word Bearers. Deep red and black with silver and/or brass to tie it all together? Perfect.

>>52040740
I think some more so than others - Sanguinius gets the Angel shit all the time (the Red Angel I've definitely seen) for fairly obvious reasons, but I doubt Guilliman gets called "the Ultramarine", and Fulgrim isn't singled out as "the Emperor's Child" - he does get called "the Phoenician" from time to time though.

And I think it's only ever Petruabo that gets called the Lord of Iron

>>52040836
Don't forget Ferrus Manus

>>52040854
Why not?
Everyone else does

>>52040836
>>52040740
Corax the Ravenlord.

>>52028609
>By-y

WTF is with that first illuminated character?

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>Play WB
>Friend now plays TS and shittalks them saying he is the only legion good at Psyker shit
>Bring Dark Brethren with allied Daemons, 4 Heralds of Tzeench and two 11 man squads of Horrors
>[Summoning Intensifies]
>In the end his Praetor gets instagibbed by ID perils trying to Endurance which is pretty fucking hilarious, am pretty much able to deny Magnus of the D
>Gal Vorbak and a Chappy manage to eat an entire vet squad

Everything went better than expected

Can it be possible for a marine who participated in the Terran Unification War to be still active in HH period? Not sure how long the marine lifespan is.

>>52040934
>trying to beat the only legion with a psyker hard counter with psykers

>>52040944
Is this one of those dumb troll questions? Marines are immortal, have been forever and there are fluff examples of Terran Unification astartes.

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>>52035038
Here's a better version where you can use whatever font you want.

>>52040944
Yep, there's explicitly one (chapter master Astelan) in the dark angels novels for starters. Also I think there's a piece of heraldry involving lightning bolts that's seen on some legionaries in the FW black books which indicates a veteran of the unification wars. (Though sometimes the lightning bolt heraldry just indicates they've fought alongside the Emperor, but not necessarily on Terra.)

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>>52041000
Also:

>>52040971
From what I read in 40k Codices marines did have lifespan. Like BAs around ~1000 years, GKs 'retiring' to library when they can fight no longer, etc. Not sure 30k Marines were effectively immortal though.

>>52041031
Nothing indicates that marines have a lifespan. BA Chapter Master Dante has served for 1000 years so maybe you are getting mixed up and Grey Knights are a unique case, maybe they have knowledge and skills more important to the chapter than their fighting ability.

>>52041031
>lifespan

It's strange how Iacton Qruze of the Luna Wolves is said to have become somewhat aged and decrepit, while Astelan's age or infirmity is never mentioned as far as I remember. Inconsistent writing? Or evidence of variations in legion geneseed?

>>52036962
Undivided. There were four cult legions (devotees of one Chaos god), three followers of Chaos Undivided (Word Bearers, Black Legion, Iron Warriors in decreasing order of piousness), and two legions that never really got into Chaos (Night Lords, Alpha Legion).

>>52041067
Congratulations, you just replied to a post explicitly advertised as a troll.

>>52037758
Librarians, now that we know Sanguinius was the main guy behind codifying the Librarius program (with Jaghatai Khan in a supporting role).

But I do hope FW surprises us.

>>52041031
TRIGGER WARNING: 40K STUFF
The community site had a bit about Guy Haley's upcoming Dante book, where it said this:
>Dante has a role to play, and he plays it well. The kicker is that he’s absolutely exhausted. He’s old. Really, really old, almost impossibly so. He’s been watching the Imperium slide toward destruction for 1500 years, and that’s got to be depressing.
So, yeah, along with Qruze like that other anon says, seems marines do lose some vibrancy with age.

To make this post slightly 30k related, it seems this book will have more details of Baal and that:
>The funny thing is, I discovered there wasn’t actually all that much detail about the Blood Angels. Certainly nothing to compare with the Ultramarines, Dark Angels or Space Wolves, all of whom have had lots of novels written about them. I found that fairly basic things were not stated. Their fortress monastery had no name. Baal and its two moons of Primus and Secundus were sketchily detailed.
>Sound bad? Not really. This lack of definition was an absolute gift to a writer like me. I love world building, all that figuring out the details of societies and planets, of how this crazy stuff I love so much works.
...so it may be interesting to get some of that fleshed out. Still not sure how I feel about Haley making the Blood Angels his pet project (like Kyme did the Salamanders when he noticed they didn't have a lot of lore) though.

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>>52041059
Well, this is what I read. If it has been changed since, or HH marines are different, I do not know.

>>52041089
>Still not sure how I feel about Haley making the Blood Angels his pet project
I liked Shadowsword a lot - I think I'm willing to trust him.

>>52041114
This does explain the different rates at which 30k legionaries age.
Now that I think of it, there was a Rune Priest in Prospero Burns who was also described as very aged.

>>52036129
>>52036012
>>52035920
>>52035701

Can you start using a tripcode so I can hide all your posts? Jesus fuck we don't need people like you. What are you fucking new here? Weve had hundreds of threads withoutt this level of autism, why now? Because youre fucking new here thats fucking why. Youre the only one flipping out over shit nobody else even responds to.

>>52041114
Interestingly, Custodes are explicitly immortal as of Inferno (at least to the author's knowledge), so theoretically there could be some ancient Custards still about (though we know Valdor didn't last as Captain-General forever).

>>52041114
>If it has been changed since, or HH marines are different
This is going to sound like a tired meme and moving goalposts but I think the issue here is is Matt Ward, there was never anything so explicit with regards to space marine life spans, it has always been yeah they could be immortal but they all die in battle so we have never been able to test it.

There are a couple of examples of Heresy era marines being found in 30k but there were either in stasis or in a sus-an coma, a Luna Wolf found by the Flesh Tearers and a Salamander found by the Inquisition if I remember.

>>52040416

What is this? A Fucking picture for bats?

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So, 40k Custodes get Land Raiders (and Rhinos, but those are irrelevant). I feel kinda envious; a assault transport sure is nice to have.

>>52041203
Just a night lord.

>>52041205
I thought Bulky guys cannot get into Rhino because... fat?

>>52041230
GW also let Guilliman join a unit of terminators during a strem, despite his status as a monstrous creature explicitly forbidding it, so, hey, whatever.

>>52041230
They can when wearing a misericorset.

>>52041230
They were all there at the Siege of Terra so probably got to see Khan surfing the tank and thought it was the coolest thing ever.

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This guys pretty much set as a Magos right?

I'm thinking of just swapping the phosphor pistol for a Hand Flamer/Inferno Pistol and then adding some sort of servo arm in the place of his big gun to make a Machinator Array

Not a big fan of the FW snailman

>>52041205
Seems kinda off that it's Bobby G vs. Maggy.
Bobby vs. Ful or Wulfy vs. Maggy would have been better.

>>52041286

Maggy's the only one with a model at the moment.

>>52040944
Yeah
>Astelan
One of the first five thousand marines.
>Fabius Bile
He was one of the chief apothecaries by the time Fulgrim had been found.
>Amadeus DuCaine
Legion commander of the Stormwalkers, died above Isstvan V.
>Shadrak Meduson
Maybe participated in the Unification Wars, maybe didn't, what's known is that he was one of the Stormwalkers.
>Autek Mor
Terran by birth, was a field commander by 820s.M30, make of it what you will.
>Endryd Haar
One of the first four of his legion before they became Warhounds.
>Ahzek Ahriman
If memory serves me he was the leader of his legion before Magnus was found.
>Cassian Vaughn
Interred in a dreadnought upon unification with Vulkan, known to have participated in the assault on the Tempest Galleries.
>Arkhas Fal
Terran, but unknown if he'd fought in the UW.

Would you guys be offended if I use 40k Cawl model as a Archmagos + Abeyant or Scoria?

Are there actually rules for the Praetorian Breacher Siege squad as per the forgeworld kit:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ultramarines-Legion-Breacher-Siege-Squad

Because I can't see options for normal Breachers to get power weapons.

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>>52035197
XV hands down.

>>52041336
>Ultramarines
It's 13th legion only, no one else get access to it. Check Book 4 or the legions red book.

>>52041350

Yeah I can't see it in the red book thats the fucking issue.

>>52041336
>Because I can't see options for normal Breachers to get power weapons.

It's under "Legion Specific Units" in the Ultra legion rules appendix. Legion Breachers may exchange their bolters for power swords at +5 pts each.

>>52041350
Book V

>>52041336
Yeah, in the legion section where it says which legion-specific units they have access to, right under the LA(UM) rule.

>>52041350
>>52041364

Found it.

>>52041374
>>52041370

Thanks guys.

>>52041336
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Ultramarines-Legion-Breacher-Siege-Squad

This actually annoys me as I was hoping my XIII Legion powersword breachers would have MkIII armor, but here they provide MkIV arms only.

>>52041396

I'm not sure what to do about the right arm but I'm sure no one would really notice the left arm behind the shield.

and it really does suck because I really want to know how good those pieces look on MKIII's

>>52041414
by the time the model is put together and the MK3 shoulder pad is on there you will not see enough of the arm to be able to tell. I'm making some DA breachers with the boarding assault shields with MK7 arms and you can't even see the arm once things are assembled.

>>52041328
Hell no. Its also implied that cawl was actually around at the time of the heresy anyway.

Imo, most of the 40k mechanicus and skitarri suit 30k anyway, theyre not like marines where we have a guide as to what was available at the time and whatt wasnt.

I'm looking to convert a Secutarii Axiarch model, should I just stick with the base skitari model and Secutarii helm with a few bits added (and appropriate painting) or go for something a bit more like a magos?

>>52041468
Try using this dude

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Astra-Militarum-Tech-Priest-Enginseer

>>52041474
Anon you beauty, I'd never even seen this guy. Thank you.

>>52041487
The best part is, he looks like a beefed up skitarii anyway with the bionic legs and cloak

>>52041460
Hell, there's even a specific mention in the Wolves Exemplary Battle of Skitarii and Ruststalkers fighting alongside them

>>52036129
Bro bro. Take it easy.
Is your life so shit you get this worked up about the fake history of plastic and resin models?
To be fair, it probably is.

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How much conversion would I need to make this guy a Moritat?

>>52036461
Who won the Horus Heresy?
Is Abbaddon Horus's son?

>>52041540
Zero?

>>52037261
Can my NL take MK VII? Also who was their Primarch?

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>>52041414
Can give a small example

>>52037662
> I DECIDE WHO 30K IS FOR!!!
I can smell the rolls of your fat through the Internet.
Kindly die!

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>>52041540
Depending on the legion, very little to nothing at all

>>52041560
See pic

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>>52041540
Too bad I can't give him a jump pack

>>52041574
>>52041560
>>52041542
Why are you guys even replying to this guy?

>>52037774
Why don't you go to another HH site then?
Christ did you already get kicked out of those?

>>52041581
With some converting it wouldn't be too hard.

>>52041581
Do you always give up so easy ? Just cut the sheath from the cloak, fix errors with greenstuff, and dryfit a jump pack on there.

>>52039200
Well, str 10 will be more precise, but double D will do 2d3 penetrations in average, while 2 str 10 will do only 2.

>>52041029
Thanks!

>>52038858
>Raven Guard Terminators
Now there's something you don't see every day
>Use will be for zone mortalis boarding actions
You'll probably want a chainfist or two, but sadly there'll probably be too much 2+ about for Lightning Claws to be effective, despite how fluffy and cool they are

Is melta-weapon useless in HH environment?

>>52041654
Not all vehicles can have armoured ceramite, and against vehicles with an AV lower than 14 a melta can still punch through and make it go boom, it's just less likely. Also multi-wound models with a 2+ save would rather not get shot in the face with a meltagun.

>>52041654
No.
Still insta kills terminators.
Still puts hurt in dreads.
Still hurts rear armor.
It's just next to useless against Spartans and their ilk.

>>52041654
No.

>>52041278
Yeah, he looks about right. Be warned that the servo-skull is a bitch and will break off all the damned time, though.

>>52041474

Well, thanks for the not-directed-at-me help, I needed one of those too. Might add some Kataphron Breacher armour plate and swap the arms for the actual weapons, but the model itself is about perfect.

>>52041114

Its a bit of a moot point though, given that the overwelming majority of Astartes will die in the line of duty before they reach an age where infirmity becomes an issue, after all, attrition, especially in the HH is pretty high.

Unrelated, there was a Anon that was complaining that Aspyx shells were not issued to other legions last bread, while at the same time complaining that its more common with the Tsons then the far more common seeker ammo is with other legions.

The reason is simple. Its not just about numbers, its about the production capability, given that said ammo, which due to its psyker nature, would only be produced on perhaps a handful of worlds outside of Prospero. Now consider that the amounts of munitions expanded by the Legiones Astartes are truly massive, you will see that there are some issues with this. For Comparison, in Operation Desert Storm, the US fired off some 223.000 tonnes of munitions.
Anon's reasoning of 100 rounds per Marine goes wrong the moment you factor in the speed of ammo consumption.
to arm a 1000 marines, you'd need to have 100.000 rounds of special ammo. that is true, but fails to factor in combat operations, refills and other logistical issues.
Assuming that the warfare in the far future is roughly the same as it is today, (basing this off the French, due to lack of better information on my part) its not that hard to fire off 120 rounds in an engagement, especially in the kind of battles that the Legiones Astartes wage, ammo consumption is far higher then Anon stated.

Given the above, the actual amount produced will be more akin to 500.000 rounds PER DAY, given you want to compensate for shipping problems, stockpiling and other contingencies.
The Reason why the Tsons have the ammo in the quantities that they did is likewise, relatively simple. According to Inferno, the Tsons operated relatively close to Prospero, which manufactured the stuff in quantity, which pretty much negates the biggest bottleneck.

Where should I look for to get Servo-Automata with Rad missile? FW ones look a bit melee-centered, and GW Servitor models are old as hell.

>>52040740
fun, I've never read that sentance as him calling dorn "the emperors fist" but rather that to legionaries from the emperors fist legion a handshake is almost the same as a outburst of joy.

The opening line of the TS info in Inferno is
>Betrayal is a child of many sires: power, hate, vengeance, shame, guilt, bitterness, viciousness, callousness
And then it adds Hubris for Magnus

Power is clearly Horus, and memetastically Bitterness fits Peturabo, but who would you match up to the others?
Lorgar, for example, could easily be Hate or Vengeance

>>52041137
WITNESSED

>>52041770
> hate, vengeance
Angron

> guilt, shame
Konrad Curze

>viciousness
Fulgrim

>callousness
Mortarion, Alpharius

>>52041783

MEDIOCRE

>>52041770
Power = Horus
Hate = Angron
Vengeance = Lorgar
Shame =
Guilt = Curze
Bitterness = Perturabo
Callousness = Fulgrim?

I guess shame might be Alphaboy because of the cabal or some shit

>>52040934
> Summoning intensifies
Kek
I am starting a word bearers army too. Would you mind posting some of your models?

>>52041770
Power-Horus, Hate-Lorgar, Vengeance-Mortarion, Shame-Curze, Guilt-Perturabo, Bitterness-Angron, Viciousness-Alpharius, Callousness-Fulgrim

Power = Fulgrim
Hate = Angron
Vengeance = Mortarion
Shame = Lorgar
Guilt = Alpharius
Bitterness = Horus
Callousness = Perturabo.

Aw fuck, I went to sleep and suddenly the thread is over. Goddamned aussies

>>52041831
It's was originally an ally force for my Dark mech, and because I collected DE I have a bunch of leftover Talos/Wrack bits that I used. it's all in storage near my FLGS so I don't have to lug about 500 quids worth of resin on a train.

But if you wait a while I get get a couple quick shit shots of a guy I'm working on

Dark Eldar also have really nice daggers for the Scourge kit that I use as my CCW also a lot of spears with skulls on them from Raiders/Venoms for a Vexilla

>>52041866
why is Alphie guilty?

>>52041866
>Bitterness
>Not Perturabo
One jobbu