Modern General

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spamming my meme while it's still somewhat relevant

>>52024139
This is pretty good. Would you consider making more spicy modern memes?

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UNBAN SPLINTER TWIN

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>tfw you Secure the Wastes for 10+

feels so good every time

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>can't decide between Grishoalbrand or Titan Shift

SHIT

>>52024254
Titanshift is for plebs, if you can't combo off on turn one why even play?

Is getting placed in new player table something normal? Is it due to score or just LGS favoritism?

It's retarded I'm placed with children every single FNM pod. I don't wanna play kids.

>>52024207
You playing esper draw go fampai?

>>52024278
you fucking know it my man

you know what's more fun than having 4 esper charm, 4 cryptic?

N O T H I N G

>>52024254
Both. Although there share feck all cards between the 2

>>52024315
I know. I just really like Scapeshift

>>52024273
Grishoalbrand can go off on turn 1? God damn I might have to take the plunge

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>>52024153
maybe later. I was hoping to finish the deck chart this weekend but i don't even know if i can get around to that what with the studies i've been neglecting

>>52024254
>>52024347
does pic related help you decide?
matchup is actually p bad you need to topdeck like a G. never played valakut.

>>52024347
Me too. Thats why i built it
Posted the list at the end of the last thread. Deck is awesome

>>52024359
>does pic related help you decide?
I can't really see anything... Were you about to Breach in an Emrakul?

>>52024359
>playing on Cockatrice
>people bullshitting and deliberately misinterpreting cards to cheat their way into a win

You're better than that, anon

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Here's a Geist brew I've been messing around with. It draws a lot of cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bant-research-2/

>>52024385
yeah
also in my experience turn 1/2s are really rare, t3/4 is what you should expect unless you mull like a madman

>>52024431
i mean, the actual outcome of game isn't really important, it's just reps, learning matchups, etc.

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>>52024105
>Playing?
uw jerks aka death & taxes: standard all-stars edition
>Hating?
no events on sunday
>Brewing?
nah
>Thoughts on the current meta?
Needs Pod and Twin
>Anything that needs to be ban/unbanned?
Pod and Twin

I'm really enjoying Bant Spirits right now. My build is testing fairly well, I'd just like the opportunity now to test against some of the more prevalent builds like Deaths Shadow and Scapeshift. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of that locally.

Ripping fat collected companies gives erections I haven't had since Standard Miracles.

>>52024431
>thinking that competitive players try to bullshit matches when we are all there to grind out matchups
>thinking that you wouldn't just leave that one game out of the ten games you have running concurrently if that were to happen
Gee, it must be really rough being that casual.

>>52024477
Has anyone given Saheeli Rai any thought as the new Twin? Or is the three colors really too much?

>>52024431
Who the fuck is going to cheat on Cockatrice? You waste somebodies time and they leave. The only person you are cheating is yourself when you go to actual events and people don't get tricked by misrepresenting things.

>>52024496
I've been trying saheeli. It's not as powerful as twin once was but it's definitely got some game to it. Sun Titan is pretty nuts in the deck

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>>52024484
As an addition.

Any thoughts? Would love to discuss my choices.

>>52024105

>Playing?

Affinity, Gifts Storm, Titan Shift & Eldrazi Tron

>Hating?

Not being able to get to enough events

>Brewing?

Mono U Eldrazi for standard, havent played standard since Shadows over Innistrad release weekend & have an opportunity to play next week while i am away for work in Sydney

>Thoughts on the current meta?

Current meta is fine, but i miss Splinter Twib

>Anything that needs to be ban/unbanned?

Twin & Pod

>>52024484
>when you CoCo into Spell queller + Drogskol into topdeck drogskol
That CoCo roulette in that deck is just gas, I really should put it together in paper and bump some O.T Genasis

>>52024529
How's the extra birds? I like having two godhead but enabling t2 quellers more often seems dank

>>52024553
An issue I was running into often is not having enough mana early enough. The build is a bird up from proven builds, because of preference. Replacing a godhead. Steel of the Godhead is a excellent card to draw into but I never want it in an opening hand.

Numbers having already been crunched on the 2 vs 1 argument, statistically speaking having one less doesn't hurt that badly. It's a win more card that helps with racing or in weird spots, or can just be a random life saver.

The extra bird is there to get my stronger turn three plays live more often. A game that lets my mana dork live the first turn is a much stronger one for me than one without, naturally.

In an ideal playstate, I would turn one fetch and mana dork. Turn two Geist, turn three swing for 7. Turn four coco into gas, and we can be flexible from there on how we kill. In our worse case scenario, our opponent is killing the dork and the game is longer, which plays into your favor anyway, as you want the draws and land drops. Being able to hold up quellers faster is ideal also, as it makes being on the draw sting less.

>>52024595
Lately taking account of the current meta, and the addition of more targeted removal, it might become fruitful to test Kira, Great Glass Spinner again as the one off. As Death Shadow having fatal push makes the matchup a lot harder. But I wont know of the necessity until I test it. Kira can be... awkward sometimes with other card choices like Phantasmal Image.

Which by the way, my biggest hard on is when I collected company into a phantasmal image that becomes a Spell Queller. That really gets my jimmies going and the salt a flowing.

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Which version of Gifts should I build?

>>52025996
Ur storm

>>52024293
Winning

>Playing?
Eggs

>Hating?
Affinity: people run so much artifact hate fearing affinity

>Brewing?
Ways to play pod without pod

>Thoughts on the current meta?
Pretty healthy

>Anything that needs to be ban/unbanned?
Pod.

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>haven't touched modern in 6 months
>mm17 hype got practising again
>queue some games
>face some rg zerg deck
>face three death shadow decks
>face some t2 blood moon bullshit

Nice to see this format is still a fucking meme.

>>52026983
>wah, mommy, why can't I play my 4 colour good stuff deck

>Playing
RG Tron

>Hating
I have trancended above and beyond the emotion of anger

>Brewing
Testing out different pieces for my meta such as Slaughter Games

>Current Meta
Excited to see how Amonkek shakes things up

>B&/Unb&
Unban Twin and Pod

Hey Modern friends. I have two questions, as a complete outsider to your format. (Primarily Limited, also Standard and Commander player here)

1) What kind of decks run Geist, and are they fun/good/affordable/etc.
2) Do you think Modern Masters 2017 is going to be worth a draft or two?

>>52027045
bant spirits runs geist. if it's fun/good/affordable is entirely subjective. expensive dick ass mana base like every other 3 color deck in modern, rest of the deck is moderately cheap.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14446&d=286502&f=MO

>>52027329
I suppose 'fun' means 'is it playing the exact 3/4 cards in the exact same way every single game, or is there some interaction/playing around the opponent from time to time'.

Good is 'can it stand up in the meta'.

Affordable I just threw in because I'm technically on a somewhat limited budget.

>>52027329
Also that decklist looks pretty dope.

>>52027350
well, like all competitive decks it has some repetitive elements, from what I've seen in person the collected roulette can be a pretty fun part of the deck. shit like spell queller and rattlechains let you react with and counter-play your opponent while giving you impressive tempo swings

AFAIK it still gets shit on by tron but such is the fate of decks that want to cast 3 drops.

>>52024274
what are you talking about dude

>>52027350
If you want an interactive deck, why are you basing your selection on whether it plays Geist, an uninteractive, inefficient creature?

Nearly every deck is linear as fuck in modern. what you're looking for are t2 or t3 decks like 4cGifts.These interactive decks can compete, but the potential for mistakes is huge, so most people don't play them.

>>52027425
It wasn't so much a selection as it was curiosity. The theme of the thread is Geist, so I figured I'd ask about Geist. I'm honestly pretty new to contstructed to begin with, my Standard deck is a wonky shitbrew that's constantly being modified as I run smack into new cards that blow me out.

>>52025996
Garbage gifts. It's fun

>>52025996
Some BTL build desu

So my buddy is making an infect deck.

What's the best way to counter him? I had used bogles to make him scream before and now I want to do it again.

>>52028143
burn or jeskai control. So much spot removal that he'll cry

>>52028143
Anything with red so you can use sudden shocks.

>>52028143
You're a shit human

>>52028143
Black
>push
>inquisition
>lili otv

White
>blessed alliance

Red
>bolt
>sudden shock

Green
>blockers

Blue
>nobody plays mono blue

Artifacts
>engineered explosives
>bridge
>chalice

Anyone got any others I missed?

>>52028143
Pretty much any deck that has removal > his infect creatures. Normal lists run 4 glistener elf, 4 blighted agent and 4- 6 mana dorks (noble hierarch and bird of paradise). Although, they also run counter spells and can ruin your day. If you want to be really cheeky, bring Volcanic Fallout and Exquisite Firecraft.

>>52028368
>black
You missed Night of Souls' Betrayal which just locks infect out of the game

>>52028332

Yes I know.

>>52028312
Ok

>>52028221
I'll look into jeskai.

>>52028418
I want to be really cheeky.

>>52028464

Without earlier interaction you're dead before it hits the board

>>52028479
well you ain't exactly gonna keep a hand of 6 lands and a four drop are ya? I'm expecting you to do other things while you try to hit turn four/

>>52028472
Jeskai comes with path, lighning bolt, mainboard lightning helix, and snap
all mainboard, it's a slog to try and get through all this fire

>>52028472
>really cheeky

Play Jund Super Removal control. Bolt, Terminate, Fatal Push, Abrupt Decay, Exquisite Firecraft, Thoughtsieze, Inquisition. Throw in no more than 6 late game wincons (Tasigur and Kalitas is a good choice) a few ways to refill your hand, something like Grim Lavamancer.

Basically, remove everything and rev for 15.

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So why is mardu burn bad? Standard red package, mainboard helix and path/palm, bump in the night, and crackling doom seems pretty ok to me.

>>52028626
>3 mana for 2 damage
>Seems okay to me
Stick to standard retard

>>52028626
wouldnt be too bad if blightning was instant or cost 1 less

>>52028688
Also gets rid of a threat.

>>52028806
>Discard two cards
>deals three damage
>For two mana
glad nobody on this site works for wizards

>>52028806
Instant speed discard is oppressive. I'm surprised k command was allowed

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>>52028143

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so where would i get started on building zoo? is black worth including for death's shadow, or are there better decks out there?

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What do you guys think? I'm thinking about going up to 4 flayers

>>52024293
I preferencia entreat the angels
Cuz i'm am angelfag

>>52029762
Death's Shadow is currently the best deck. I was working on it before GP Vancouver, and it was well worth it.
If you can build it, do it.

>>52029955
Maybe just cut a lingering souls for the fourth flayer? Since you can flashback souls

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>tfw shitty mono-G Belcher build went 3-1 last night

>>52030204
Lingering Souls is so integral to the deck though. the spirit beatdown is actually real.

>>52030433
Idk then senpai maybe one of your 1 ofs?

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It's possible to combine Nahiri and saheeli to make the Ultimate jeskai meme deck?

>>52030636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
JUST BREW IT.

>>52030636
Nahiri is a value train all by herself.

>>52030636

>saheeli scry nahiri draw
it might be okay. it's hard to run saheelis wincons and also protect nahiri enough for her to go off. but I like the + interaction.

>>52031100

also too many 4 drops. maybe a 2 of nahiri/emrakul in copy cat, but that still slows it down a lot

>>52030636
>running additional mediocre cards in an already mediocre deck
Sounds like an awful, just awful idea desu senpai

So, how would 8whack hypothetically work in an environment full of storm/delver and other UR combo decks

>>52031304
>UR delver
>Combo deck
Explain

>>52031426


Fuck, I don't know what I was thinking. UR Delver and mostly combo decks, although one guy is running Eldrazi & Taxes and I don't know how to handle that with anything

>>52031304
By being faster. Decks like delver and storm arent good on D

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the meme deck claims another victim through a surgical

>>52031715

sorry, through a surgical, a grafdiggers, and a leyline

>>52031715
Fine ill bite, post the list

>>52031304
you dont change your strategy against delver. it has a bad matchup against you

against storm you might want to side in more removal. dont let their electromancers and barals stay on the field

>>52029955
Flayer is not good in the current meta desu, gets brick walled by eldrazi and giant deaths shadow creatures too often. Cut all your flayers and the two maindeck artifacts and play 3 bOb and 2 more proactive spells

>>52031304

you're faster than most of them. Goblin kings in the side for muntainwalk funzies.

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so is this unplayable?

>>52031183
Saheeli decks are worse than mediocre, they're bad.

>>52029739
Oh well that's literally all I need just to troll him.

But how do I protect her properly?

>>52032085

That's a good idea. I can even use them white-bordered to trigger people

>>52032138
Isn't there a dredge variant that plays it?

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How shit is this deck?

>>52032317
A shit variant

>>52032355
Dank as fuck/10

>>52032355
Also if you're gonna run 4 resto and other good ETB creatures then you might as well run at least 1 kiki

>>52032355
Losestodsj/10

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I want a very non linear deck, preferably not too expensive but I guess I don't really care. Which one is the best? The most fun?

I'd like to see a no mana deck.

aka no lands at all.

Could it work?

>>52032520
In Legacy sure, and you could kill your opponent on turn 2 doing it. But not in Modern.

>>52032543
>What's the name familia.

>>52032517
I'd say Eternal Command is a pretty fun deck, not linear, and reasonably powerful as well. Expensive af tho.

>>52032543
>Turn 2
Lol shit all in deck desu

>>52032355
>Crackling doom
Just stop it with this fucking garbage

>>52032582
Nobody plays Manaless Dredge because they think it's good; they play it because it's $100.

>>52032603
I'm referring to oops all spells and belcher, not meme shitty dredge

>>52032520
Travis posted a deck like that some time ago.

The mana that deck was generating was from Opals, rocks and Spirit guides.

>>52032737
>Travis Woo
Literally a fucking retard, his shit brews make me vomit

>>52032737
>Travis "Für die Führer" Woo

>>52032778
tumblr plz go

>>52028889
im not saying it would be balanced. im just saying it would be played. its a fucking awful idea

>>52024105
>Playing?
Lantern
>Hating?
Tron, Valakut
>Brewing?
Mardu
>Thoughts on the current meta?
It's fine, no more bans necessary

>>52032972
Run 4 GQ and 3 surgical, my tron matchup is 60%, splashing blue or red is a shit meme

>>52024105
>Playing?
Grishoalbrand
>Hating?
Tron, Lantern
>Brewing?
Something involving Valakut
>Thoughts on the current meta?
I think it's fine for now.
>Anything that needs to be ban/unbanned?
Summer Bloom

>>52032997
>my tron matchup is 60%
What do you get out of lying on the internet? Especially to a fellow lantern bro.

>>52032517
Aggro: Affinity
Tempo (if you want a bit of Control): Grixis Delver
Midrange: Jund (or Death Shadow Jund)
Cheaper Midrange: Eldrazi Tron
Control: lol

>>52032172
I don't know, I don't make asshole decks built to counter one other deck. I do have a Legacy deck built around Kavu Predator though, Alpha Authority seems to work good enough for green.

>>52033031
I main board 3 needles 4 gq and 3 surgical, what's your list?

>>52032603
Manaless fulfills a meta role that regular doesn't. In particular it's uncounterable.

>>52033181
// 60 Maindeck
// 25 Artifact
4 Codex Shredder
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Ghoulcaller's Bell
4 Lantern of Insight
2 Mishra's Bauble
4 Mox Opal
3 Pithing Needle
1 Pyxis of Pandemonium

// 4 Instant
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Surgical Extraction

// 18 Land
2 Academy Ruins
4 Blooming Marsh
3 Ghost Quarter
4 Glimmervoid
2 Inventors' Fair
2 Spire of Industry
1 Swamp

// 13 Sorcery
4 Ancient Stirrings
2 Collective Brutality
1 Infernal Tutor
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize


// 15 Sideboard
// 5 Artifact
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Welding Jar

// 2 Creature
SB: 2 Spellskite

// 5 Enchantment
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Seal of Primordium

// 1 Instant
SB: 1 Nature's Claim

// 2 Sorcery
SB: 1 Collective Brutality
SB: 1 Lost Legacy

>>52032517
If you cut the enemy fetches, abzan toolbox is fairly nonlinear in the fact that you're playing midrangey board stall while digging for combo.

I've had plenty of games where I chord or coco for board control pieces and managed to grind it out for combat damage wins

>>52033249
>3gq 2 surgical
There's your problem senpai, also I'm not a fan of bauble

>>52033225
>it's uncounterable
Dread Return can be countered, senpai.

>>52033301
Manaless dredge doesn't rely on dread return, a lot of lists don't even run it

>>52033261
>abzan toolbox is fairly nonlinear in the fact that you're ... digging for combo

>>52033351
>manaless dredge doesn't rely on Dread Return

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>>52033225
you mean to tell me I've been getting btfo by force and daze for 4 years now?

>>52033351
>I have no idea what I'm talking about the post
Manaless runs return to flip the deck with spy and then return flayer+GGT or Dragonlord/flamekin zealot to win.

Do you even play legacy?

>>52033287
bauble makes for explosive mox opal hands and helps you find your pieces. But I see you can dislike the card. Might cut it for 1 gw 1 surgical, but tron isn't that big at my FNM.

>>52033351
manaless dredge is dread return the deck. Ichorid and nether shadow beats don't cut when you're looking for a turn 2 win

>>52033390
>>52033376
>Doesn't rely on dread return
>Implying this isn't true
Listen faggots, the fact of the matter is dread return gets countered, it's there to be explosive against decks not running force and other fair decks, but most of the time you're getting dazed or forced, the deck can still win without hitting dread return, that's my fucking point

Anyone got that silly Treasure Hunt/Lightning Storm list?

>>52030149
Is flayer any good in deaths shadow jund?
>>52033494
the 2000$ version or the 20$ version?

>>52033466
but you still need to CAST dread return, right?

>>52033594
No you don't need to CAST dred return

>>52033635
you winning with narcomebas and nether shadows in manaless dredge? Do you hvae any idea what you are talking about?

>>52033594
If you probe and you see they have a force of will why would you sack 3 creatures into that?

>>52033672
bridge triggers. if you have multiple you can push through it too

>>52033670
They have prized amalgam, ichorid and bridge from below you tremendous faggot, it's not like it's just fucking 1/1s

I want to play dragons. Is there a deck that lets me do this or are they too overcosted?

>>52033698
so a bolt target is gonna win you the game? come on man, try harder

>>52033724
Skred plays some

>>52033724
you could play steel hellkite in tron if you wanted

>>52033357
If you're going to use that logic then literally every deck is linear.

Sure, there are games where you just find the combo turn 3 when they're tapped out. But there are games in Jund where you just have a removal for their 1 thing and beat down with value creatures.

If you've ever played the deck, you'd see that there's a lot of times where you need to go extremely non-linear and chord for a Voice/Tracker or a Scooze or hand disruption creatures.

>>52033724
just play Commander. Dragons have no real place in Modern.

>>52033547
Both

>>52033765
Won plenty of games of modern you faggot cuck

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>>52033861
>implying modern is anywhere near the powerlevel of legacy

>>52033902
>Implying manaless dredge is anywhere near the powerlevel of legacy
THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT YOU DONKEY

>>52024274
>Not hymen-redesigning the virgin players on the first few fnms when they think their homebrew or duel deck can step
You don't deserve to have fun

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>>52033926
manaless dredge is a shit deck i know because i play it , but the fucking point was that manaless dredge relies on dread return to combo out as soon as possible. Some fuckstard said otherwise, which is just pan'ts on head retarded

>>52033724

It is garbage, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5eNylVQfxo

>>52034022

man, blood moon enables so much jank

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These Karn Liberated prices are insane, makes it tempting to sell them off now.

>>52034184

It's probably still going to go up more

>>52034184
holy shit, i just check them. Damn, that's awesome. I'll probably trade in 3 of mine along with 3 chalice of the void i've been sitting on. Should wait a month or so though. Let Modern season be in full swing so those prices can spike. I've been meaning to bling out my edh deck

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>>52034184
>mfw I bought all of mine for $38 a pop a month before MM17 spoilers started

>>52034184
Ugin better be in the next modern masters. he's doubled in price

>mfw people actually want to 'play' Tron
I have no face. Just disgusting

>>52034541
is Eldrazi Tron as disgusting as Gx Tron?

>>52034553
Eldrazitron is colorless-only but it maindecks a set of chalice to get free wins and it's harder to hate out because they're not just relying on tron to ramp.

>>52034541
>Not wanting to drop game-ending fatties on turn 3
What are you, a pleb?

>>52034553
it's a cheesy aggro deck so yes

>>52034541
>mfw people actually want to 'play' Tron
>I have no face. Just disgusting
It's not bad. Is your meta not Tron friendly or something?

>>52034688
Not that guy, but with the influx of Goblin Guides, Gx Tron is in their crosshairs

>>52034688
not that anon, but Tron is incredibly linear, and every game is pretty much the same. I bought into the tron meme a couple years ago, but quickly realized how few choices I had while actually playing.

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>>52034743
>mfw I collective brutality a guide, drain them and take a burn spell on turn 2

>>52034749
Well, I'm not suggesting that anyone play it every week. But I play it a few times a year and it's not so bad.

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>>52031936

>>52034787
No deck gets boring if you only bust it out once every quarter

>>52034785
>After the Guide hit a land for you

>>52034811
It's a small group at my FNM... usually only 10-20 folks. If I play the same thing over and over, I'm going to get shit on by sideboard hate.

>>52034810

there are still tweaks I can make but im pretty happy with this list right now

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>>52034785
I slap your face with my sideboard and run out crying.

>>52034749
Everyone knows the deck is linear, fuck, 40/60 cards are lands/cycle/find lands, and the rest is just fat shit you play off your good lands.

welp, ordered a box. if i decide i don't want it it'll still hold value, right?

>>52034785
This is why I love G/B tron so much. Only been on the deck for a month or so but Collective Brutality is so satisfying to use against burn.

>>52034541
Found the Jund player.

>>52034889
Yep, unless it ends up being a huge release

Fuck it, I'm buying Grishoalbrand on paper. Been playing on xmage and it's just way too much fun

>>52035093
>march
>ssg and opal banned
Enjoy it while you can :)

>>52035093
Should really wait until the ban announcement. It's like a week away

Right faggots I've got 3 super spicy brews lined up and only want to spend money building one, so you faggots get to pick which I build.

>Loam Control
Molten Vortex + Life from the Loam to control the board and slowly win through burn, counterspells to handle everything else. Plays a bit like Twin, but instead of going infinite it reaches a point of being insurmountable. Has a phenomenal matchup versus small creature aggro decks like Merfolk, Affinity, and Infect. Deals with Eldrazi fairly handily too.

>Gravestorm
Abzan weenies who die well with Blood Artist effects. Capable of comboing off as early as turn 4, but can also just win through face beats. Chord gives you toolbox, Return to the Ranks is just gross honestly. Incredible matchup against traditional aggro as the lifegain really does add up. Orzhov Charm is an allstar here. Deck runs an Abzan Ascendancy.

>Self Mill
UG aggro deck using Boneyard Wurm and Ghoultree as the main face beaters, surrounded by a shell of Snapcasters, cheap counterspells, and creatures with cycling to fill the yard. Splashes black to be able to cast Architects of Will and lock someone out of the game long enough with bad draws to push damage though. Vedalken Aethermage is the most supreme spice you'll read today for something like this.

>>52032355
Loss the pyroclasm and go anger, hits much much more and the exile is as important as it sounds for a variety of reasons.

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>>52035165
>(You)

Do I want Reality Smasher or Blight Hearder for BW Eldrazi Processor

I know Blight Hearder is part of the name sake but Reality Smasher is Reality Smasher

>>52035165
>Abzan weenies who die well with Blood Artist effects. Capable of comboing off as early as turn 4, but can also just win through face beats. Chord gives you toolbox, Return to the Ranks is just gross honestly. Incredible matchup against traditional aggro as the lifegain really does add up. Orzhov Charm is an allstar here. Deck runs an Abzan Ascendancy.
This is the only one that can win games (with some work).

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>>52035224
>Do I put this bad card, or this good card in my deck
While you're at it, just take out all the trash eldrazi and replace them with good ones.

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Who's ready for Opal and SSG to be banned on the 13th?

>>52035275
From what I've seen the deck only runs Wasteland Strangler, Thought-Knot Seer and then either Blight Hearder or Reality Smasher. SOMETIMES Matter Reshaper

>>52035319
Fuck that.

>>52035319
Jokes on you, splinter twin is now unbanned.

>>52035165
>Plays a bit like Twin

by this you mean "plays literally nothing like twin" right?

>>52035394
In testing I've had players completely out of the game by turn 4.

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>Eldrazi is 10% of the meta more than twin ever was
Ebin, simply ebin wizards. Also, how does this meme make you feel?

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>>52035404

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>>52035390
keep hoping twincuck

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>>52035319
I'd be pretty surprised by that. But after twin and BBE, the stupidity of the DCI knows no limit in my book.

>>52035429
You're the fucking retard for replying to this obvious bait

>>52035442
>twin and bbe
You spelled twin and pod wrong.

Fuck bbe cascading into Lily is too stronk

>>52035404

Being capable of winning turn 4 doesn't mean it plays anything like twin

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>There are people on here right now who don't have at least 50 copies of twin.
Everyone knows it will get unbanned someday, like seriously everyone, and when it is unbanned I promise you it will be no less than 60$ overnight. For real, just buy a bunch of copies of twin, there is no reason not to.

>>52035464
>pod
I played pod in standard and modern as long as it was legal. The ban is fair. It was stupid good when it was banned and it was gonna get even stupider as time went by. I miss the deck, but it was fucking stupidly good.

BBE was banned by mistake. DRS was the real offender. If they banned DRS first, BBE would still be legal.

>>52035493
I didnt know it was THAT cheap. I kept my copies for the day it would be unbanned but I could buy a few more.

>>52035493
Should I start building Twin now for the inevitable unban? The deck is looking pretty cheap, especially now that tarns are dropping like crazy.

>>52035575
Different anon here: id do it.

>>52035575
I would reccomend just buying a bunch of copies, you'll be able to buy the entire deck for the money you would make if you bought 50 of them for 4 dollars and they went up to 30 which I 100% believe they would and that's being conservative. So essentially you're just putting a 200 dollar deposit down on the deck, and if it ever became a deck then you're fucking golden and can buy it easily With the money you'd make off eBay

>>52035575
Don't listen to the twincucks, that deck is never coming back and they know it.

I'd advice against building anything with fetchlands because those are going to get banned when Wizards announces big changes for modern soon. Hope you guys are ready, they're going to completely change the format.

>>52035657
Autism

>>52030149
I remember when probe got banned and all of the suicide zoo fags were crying in threads about how their deck was killed as collateral damage from the banning.

Fucking retards.

>>52035729
Suicide zoo and deaths shadow jund are completely different you faggot cuck. And suicide zoo is dead by the way RIP

>>52035729
Death's shadow jund and the old Death's shadow zoo are two completely different decks. Granted some people were moving towards the Jund build before the ban but that doesn't excuse the fact that old death's shadow was killed.

>>52035772
Yeah the one's with swiftspear and nacatl and mutagenic and shit are dead as fuck, this guys a massive autist. Only things the decks share is a similar mana base and deaths shadow

Maybe this is the place to ask. As far as being a decent tier 3 deck, what holds back Trader/Immortal Coil?

>>52035126
Banning SSG would be a huge fucking mistake

>>52035880
t. Ad nasuem/Grishoalbrand player

>>52035880
Why? Name 1 non degenerate deck it's used in

>>52035815
Nothing is holding it back, like you said it's just a meme deck, as soon as it gets screen time or something I'm sure some people will play it, also I think I'd prefer that new red donate over bazaar trader

>>52035939
I play Titanshift and Forest Belcher

>>52036029
>Valakut decks
>Not degenerate

>>52035336
There is no card called 'Blight Hearder'.

>>52036029
>oh no I can't ssg into through the breach
It needs to be banned, all it fuels is degenerate non-interactive decks

>>52035951
We are talking about modern here. Whole format is linear degenerate decks with occasional "fair" decks.

>>52036049
What do you play, friend?

>>52036078
>the whole format is linear degenerate decks
wrong.

>>52036078
What is, in your opinion, a linear deck? I genuinely want to know. Because what I'm starting to believe is that most of the shitposters here believe a linear deck is 'one with a win con in mind."

>>52036068
>Assmad infect player

But do you guys remember the kithkin tribal anon?

>>52036205
Tron actually.

Fast mana like opal and ssg only fuels degenerate decks and needs a ban.

>>52036208
That deck is real, I see a ban coming desu, harbinger op

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>>52036253
>Tron Player
>Bitching about fast mana
>Bitching about degenerate shit
Kys

>>52036253
>Tron player calling other decks degenerate

>>52036281
Tron is fair though you assmad jund babby and tron's fast mana isn't comparable to degenerte shit like opal or ssg, both of which are vintage level cards and are hard to interact with unlike tron lands

>>52036208

Quick! Let's all act like monstrous assholes and drive people away. His crime was badwrongfun.

>>52036317
>hard to interact with unlike tron lands
You gave yourself away

>>52036317
Had me going there.

>>52036332

>badwrongfun

this deck isnt kitchen table i run coco and path you fucking netdecker

>>52036164
Would say that any deck which normally doesn't have decision making in game plan. That includes every hyperaggro, burn, combo decks, tron. There are of course exceptions for each decks, but technically they always don't care about interacting with opponent.

And yes, I do know there are mid range decks in the format.

>>52036343
ghost quarter and Land destruction + surgical

Stay mad faggot

>>52036349

Can't we all just enjoy this awful format in peace?

>>52036332
That asshole called kithkins synergistic, when most of the kithkin cards have synergy with everything, but kithkins. There just isn't enough good kithkins to make a deck, but that retard has to shitpost every thread now. "Ebin bait", fuck you.

>>52036317
>mox opal is vintage level
I fucking love this meme desu. SSG being vintage level may just be the next big meme deal though, that meme could really take off.

>>52036357
>GQ
>a 1-of in most decks that run it
>Land destruction and Surgical
>On turn 3 at the earliest, after you already resolved Karn
>Also requires 2 cards
Yeah, real easy

>>52035413
If you lose to Twin on turn 4 it's usually a sign you yourself are playing an unfair deck.

>>52036357
Ghost quarter is literally one of the absolute worst land destruction cards, but it sees 4 of play in modern decks. Think about that.

>>52034810
I don't get it

>>52036253
I'm sorry friend, but you're not in a position to talk about degenerate decks as a Tron player.

>>52036407
>I have no argument so it's a meme
Love this fucking meme. You stupid fucks had no arguments last time and you don't have any now, because you know I'm right. Enjoy the banlist on the 13th faggots, Wizards agrees with me that vintage level stuff like opal and ssg don't belong in the format and they were a mistake to print.

>>52036355
So are you saying that midrange is the only nonlinear archetype? Or only control is nonlinear?

Every deck has decision making and every deck has options of interaction. The only decks that don't are legacy combo decks and hypercombos like Grishoalbrand, Cheerios and Infect.

Every other deck needs to interact or respond to interaction in different ways. The fact that you can boil down any 'linear' decks to "they have a wincon in mind and continue down that path" is the definition of trying to win the game.

Why are you arguing against decks that look to win in more ways than countering, destroying permanents and swinging with big, dumb beaters?

>>52036442
>;_; tron is degenerate please don't exile my goyf with karn
>n-no don't O stone me
I love jund tears, Tron is fair and there are a ton of ways to beat it just because you play some durdely jank it doesn't make tron degenerate.

>>52036418
Or a shit one

I don't even know why I come here.
I enjoy reading stuff about modern. I like that you can be anonymous and ask stupid shit. I like some shitposting once and another.
But this shit has went deep down in the ground. The quality of this threads have getting lower and lower by the month. Even reddit[/spoiler] is having better content, and that place is a shithole, inhabited by feces-throwing obese monkeys or normal-fags that think that movies are good games.
All I see is "ban", "ban, "ban". I know Modern General has never been good, but that doesn't mean it should be aweful.
I know this cunts shitpost in order to "trigger", but this is just boring, it's "banana-tier" in /b/'s YLYL threads.

tl;dr: Modern General was never good, but was never this boring, thanks to the shitban-posters.

>>52036468
t. Mox opal/ssg user

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>>52036448
>Vintage level

>>52036473
>Tron is fair
you're trying too hard man, you have to be more subtle than that if you really want the (You)s

>>52036494
Nice blog post, upvoted :^)

>>52036448
Oh gee, we are talking about vintage level? I think monastery mentor and young pyromancer should be banned, because as you can see they are clearly overpowered and vintage proves it.

What about ravager and walking ballista? Jesus they are so broken, how can they still be legal? I think it would be only fair to ban them.

I mean I get it. Fast mana is issue, because it makes some volatile decks win earlier than they "should", but could we underline bigger issue here that has something to do with not being able to play a deck that polices degenerate combos and instead forces us to play either discard deck or decks that hopefully win before combo.

>>52036512
>a deck that just wants to slam big timmy things with ramp is unfair
Christ you scrubs need magic bootcamp or something. I mean I know /tg/ is "bad at magic" but this is taking it to a new level.

>>52036546
>A deck that is slamming 7 mana bombs into play on turn 3 is fair
Yeah sure seems like it

>>52036545
That's not what vintage level means you fucking mouthbreather. It means it's comparable to vintage in terms of power level, not actually played in vintage you mong.

>crying for a twin unban
Never mind you're just baiting.

>>52036567
>tron always has is on t3
Nice meme just like Burn always kills you t3-4 and infect killing you on t2?


stay mad

>>52036601
You seem upset, are you sad because someone pointed out that you're a hypocrite? ;^)

>>52036577
>That's not what vintage level means
Then how can someone be of some sort level if it's bad on that exact level?
It's like saying the car X belongs to the Z category, but would never work at Z category.

>>52036601
>Tron always has it on turn 3
>Grishoalbrand always has it on turn 3
>Affinity always has it on turn 3
>Every deck ever always has the thing they need on turn 3

>>52036577
Pro tip: if any of the original moxen had metalcraft none of them would be played in vintage

>>52035764
>suicide zoo became a better deck
>but it's dead

t. the kind of person who thought the probe ban would kill their pet deck

>>52036647
the og moxen aren't rainbow or legendary though so you're wrong.

>>52036625
you're misinterpreting again. The card is a very high power level card that is comparable to things in vintage but might not necessarily see play in vintage. Happy? I spelled it out for you guys last time but apparently none of you can read.

This thread makes me happy I primarily play EDH with my friends

>>52036672
see
>>52035772
and
>>52035795


kys they're not even remotely the same.

>>52036628
No, Grishoalbrand always has it on turn 2.

No joke. Whenever i play this dude at FNM and he's on Instant Reanimator, he ALWAYS has the win on turn 2. I have to pack half my entire sideboard with hate just to not let him combo out turn 2 every week.

It's pure horseshit and I wouldn't even be mad at a SSG ban at this point.

>>52036672
G Probe did kill infect. It just made Storm build a new shell.

>>52036672
Sure, let me just go drop one thousand dollars on goyfs baubles and lilis so I can play my old deck that's essentially just deaths shadows and a mana base and nothing else similar

>>52036719
That dude sounds like he's cheating, dawg. So yeah, it's horseshit, because he's playing you like a fucking drum.

Reminds me of what happened with Speck and Bloom Titan.

>>52036719
>always has it
I play quite a bit of grishoalbrand and I'm thinking he might be cheating man. Shuffle his deck and look for marked cards. The more common kill turn is 3-4+ with t1/2 occasionally.

I'm fairly confident he's cheating unless you're just exaggerating

>>52036465
I view any card that tries to hinder opponent gameplan as a control card. Midrange decks in modern utilize mostly discards or removal. As in every jund/junk variation and Grixis control, delver being an oddball. You could argue tron has a lot of decision trees, but it really does feel like playing the same thing against every deck.

Hyperaggros just vomit their hands on table and hope to win. Sometimes they have occasional removal like dismember/bolt/galvanic blast to supplement, but it's the same shit every time. Your decision tree consist of what's correct attack order.

Dare you tell me how combos are going to play their deck differently between matches? I get you are trying to protect the combo, but most of the time rest of the deck is build around to get the combo off, is that not linear?

Not trying to belittle modern decision making, but it's really, really limited.

>>52036719
I can't believe storm is still a functioning deck, literally 80% of the original main board has been banned

Hey guys. I wanna get into mtg but idk where to exactly start. I plan on starting a mtg friday night thing with friends but idk what or where should i buy cards from i wanna make a mini collection to get me and my 4-6 friends to play at once. Any tips? Modern seems interested but we will probably mix standard play too

>>52036719
He's fucking cheating desu.

>>52036687
Because a small 4chan thread is representative of a format?
K

>>52036777
I'd reccomend you all start with pauper. It's really cheap and has some high power cards and the decision making and stuff is there. Also I should mention it's really cheap, like you could build 20 pauper decks for a single pricey standard one. Maybe ban delver cause it's kind of op in my opinion. But for real start with pauper before shoveling money into modern or even standard.

>>52036793
desu casual magic is the goat format

>>52036777
Start with standard.

Modern is expensive.

>>52036837
Standard is fucking garbage right now, start with pauper

>>52036857
No one fucking plays pauper you massive faggot. He said they were going to play at FNM.

>>52036877
He's not going to play at fnm you illiterate kike, he said his friends are going to get together on Friday and play. You wouldn't understand cause you don't have friends clearly.

Hey its cool! I'll check pauper out.

So Would you advise against modern then? I mean we don't necesarily want top meta decks right now. Mostly to draft and play while we git gud and learn the ropes

>>52036905
This is true.

>>52036933
Even like a budget modern deck can run like 100 dollars. I'd say start out with pauper, find a play style you enjoy, and then ease into standard or modern

>>52036933
Not that anon, but modern, while not the most beginner friendly, does give the best bang for your buck. Drop $200-$500 on a deck and you can use it for years, standard will drain you.

>>52036933
If you're just learning the ropes, then the pauper format, or a set of intro decks or duel decks is probably good.

If you're committing to modern, you're going to be spending a few hundred to over a thousand dollars to be competitive. You wanna be sure you know what you're doing and that you really like the hobby before sinking any significant amount of money into it.

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>mfw going against some crazy fucking homebrew using this thing and Mindshrieker to mill huge spells and bring giant fucking beatdown

God damn that was insane.

>>52037013
Hey what about those 20$ sets magic sells which are like a box of cards with some decks in it?

>>52037074
Those decks are just really bad though, in all formats. They got it right with the tokens modern event deck, and then never made a playable deck again

>tfw Twin will soon be free
>tfw Wizards will have to admit that they were idiots to ban it
>tfw I'll make lots of money from the 200 Twin cards I own online

>>52037074
None of them are any good against a halfway competitive deck.
They're okay if you just want to learn the basic rules.

A decent pauper deck can be made for less money.
Deckbuilding is also a significant part of the hobby, which prebuilt decks completely bypass.

>>52037074
just play pauper or magic duels to get antiquated with the game. Modern isn't the format for you unless you have a lot of experience with other card games.

Avoid standard at any costs it's a money sink designed to milk you

>>52036050
Oops

>>52037097
>>52037148

If deckbuilding is important should I go ahead and buy a lot of cards or should I just spend a bit in booster packs ? Any places online good for card aquisition. Even if its for pauper ruleset?

>>52036777
Modern is the best, but if you dont have any cards will be a steep sell to your friends. Start with dual decks - theyre 2 preconstructed decks that are reasonably balanced. Then build a standard deck and take it to your local flgs to battle it out.

Dont buy boosters, just buy singles.

Use resources like mtg goldfish to check out competitive decks.

Try to build a deck that uses a lot of cards that are also used in Modern - eldrazi, spirits, graveyard synergies (to play dredge) etc. Pick up modern staples that are currently in standard as it is when theyll be in their greatest supply.

When standard rotation coomes around, shift in to Modern and enjoy being able to play your deck without having to shell out 300 every 6 months to keep up with the meta

>>52035815
Sweet! Thank you for reminding me that card exists.

Why would you rather go with the spell than a permanent? Just curious; I tend to prefer my effects have bodies.

>>52036933
Modern is the best. Work towards it as a goal. Start with precon intro decks, then draft, then standars, then modern

>>52037206
Yeah tcgplayer is best for pauper stuff, and eBay for more expensive. To start out try a mono colored deck with just some creatures and spells, all commons, a good place to look up cards is gatherer.wizards.com

>>52037123
Was only banned for the modern pt, which no longer exists

>>52037228
>Modern is the best.
Why must you lie to yourself, friend? Legacy is best.

>>52037228
>modern is the best
That's a funny way to say holiday cube

>>52036679
How can you compare with something that doesnt work in that situation?

Lets do this instead:
>Is Mox Opal good in Vintage?
No, isn't used, so it doesn't belong in Vintage.

>Is Mox Opal good in Legacy?
It's user but it's underwhelming. The only Deck that uses is, Affinity, is tier 2.5. So it doesn't belong in Legacy.

>Is Mox Opal good in Modern?
Yes, it's used in a Deck (the oldest) that's been popular since the star of the format.
So it belongs in Modern.

other representation:

p(Mox Opal | Vintage) = 0 => Mox Opal ⊄ Vintage

p(Mox Opal | Legacy) << 0.01 -> 0 => Mox Opal ⊄ Legacy

p(Mox Opal | Modern) > 0.05 => Mox Opal ⊂ Modern

So I don't understand when someone says it's Vintage Level, considering it's barely Legacy level.

>>52037286
What's the difference between Affinity and MUD?

>>52037334
What Mud? Legacy Mud? Or as I like to call it bad Eldrazi?

>>52036148
>wrong.
Yeah! It's an unfun and bad format for often completely unrelated reasons!

>>52037334
I don't know, tell me what's the difference.

>>52037371
>boohoo my 5 color aggro won't work ;_;
>I can't brainstorm, cabal therapy or force of will therefor it's a bad format
kys

What is best fringe deck

>>52037412
Eternal Command

>>52037401
hehehe

>>52037034

That sounds rad as hell.

>>52037334
Mud? Which one? Metalworker combo is cool, but tier 2/3

>>52037401
I personally don't want modern to be legacy lite, but I also don't want it to be dominated by Aggro decks I think the format would be a lot better with more of a balance, but as it stands it's more than 50% aggro, with pretty much only 2 real combo decks between valakut and ad nauseum. I just don't understand why wizards is fine with turn 3 wins as long as they're coming from aggro and not combo, it makes no sense to me.

>>52037482
It was. Turning Tora into a 24/24 on turn 4 is a hell of a thing to see.

>>52037501
It's easier to deal with creatures than spells/activated abilities, in modern. That's their explanation.

>>52037520

Wait, what on earth did they pitch from their hand that had a 24 mana casting cost?

>>52037501
serious talk if modern wants to not have combo decks than that's fine, but banning fast mana is the most retarded way of going about it. Pauper is an alright format and it didn't ban combo decks by banning its fast mana it banned the actual combo cards. In modern you're for some reason allowed to play a deck that wins with 0 interesting plays or interaction, but only once you've played for 4 turns. It's bizarre. Fast mana makes card advantage better, which makes control better. Bombs make card advantage irrelevant, which turns control into midrange.

>>52037567
Or 2 12 mana, but still

>>52037560
It's almost like wizards is too retarded to think up a half decent counter spell

>>52037567
>>52037584
2x Iname As One.

>>52037501
>I just don't understand why wizards is fine with turn 3 wins as long as they're coming from aggro and not combo, it makes no sense to me.
Because you can actually interact with aggro in modern? I'm not saying combo shouldn't be allowed to exist but having combo consistently win before t4 is problematic because modern has less interaction for that sort of thing compared to something like legacy.

Also valakut decks have more than 1 way to build them and you forgot grishoalbrand, storm, bloomless titan and living end for combo. These might not be tier 1 but they've all put up results. I also think you're exaggerating aggro in the format right now, we have a pretty diverse meta right now so I don't get why you're complaining.

>>52037615

Jesus christ. Well I have to give it to the homebrew deck, I'd love to see it in action. I have a soft spot for Kamigawa cards.

>>52037628
All they need to do is print fucking flusterstorm desu

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>>52037642
>I have a soft spot for Kamigawa cards.

>>52037584
>>52037615

Walk me through this one. Because as I understand it, it should just become a 12/12 once. That power doesn't stack.

>>52037788
Yeah you're correct, it would just be a 12/12, I read it wrong

>>52037810
I mean, don't get me wrong, that's still going to ruin someone's day on turn four. Just a little less cataclysmic.

>>52037669
jeez kamigawa was objectively less anime than mirrodin or ravnica which were the blocks before and after it, but because it was japanese it didn't matter if its plot/atmosphere was literally an american anti war movie?

>>52037644
Never gonna happen, sadly. MaRo hates Storm with every fiber of his being.

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>playan some goofy mono-R aggro deck against Suicide Zoo
>guy cracks fetches and untaps shocks on turn 1 and 2 but plays nothing
>my T2
>motherfucking 4 Pacts of the Titan
>kicked Bushwhacker

>bring the fucking slap on turn 2

>>52038236
>>52038236
>>52038236

new thread lads

>>52036049
just trickbind the valakut trigger

>>52036068
Why do people always confuse gentle, god-fearing Titanshift with the degenerate, inconsistent menace known as Breach? They're about as different as Gx Tron and U Tron.

>>52037990

Don't respond to the shitposters. They just want attention. I mean he used an "iFunny" picture.