/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>52014336
I visit Constantine Aurelius, the eccentric Canadian mage who thinks they are a reincarnated Roman senator. Is permanently annoyed that his home-grown Seattle grapes make shitty wine.

Don't drink his wine. You either wake up wearing a toga with your flaccid dick shoved in a roast pigs head, or you go on a metaplaner trip to randomdiceroll.

I wanted my talismonger to be an Irish lady who's a front for the IRA, funneling money back home. But I wasn't sure if she'd even deal with an elf, or if she wouldn't just send material like foci to the fight instead

>>52014551
>metaplaner trip to randomdiceroll
is that where the dice gods live?

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>>52014336
My Talismonger was an owl shaman that was also my mentor. She came to my birthday party, helped me learn Astral Perception. She was a good friend.

>>52014586
It is a land where the only rolls are 1's, and your number's up.

>>52014336

Quick question because I have my game in 3 hours and I forgot to research this: are there any mid or high class restaurants/bars that are friendly to trolls?

>>52014924

In the Seattle area, district doesn't matter

>>52014924
>friendly to trolls?
you mean "cater to trolls/are nice to trolls" or "accept trolls"?
Because I can't think of any of the first but I'm pretty sure there are many of the second as long as the troll is dressed nicely, doesn't smell too bad and behaves
If not and you are (as I think) the GM then just make one up. There's gonna be at least one of the second, maybe even one of the first kind

>>52014336
>Drones can only have armor 3 x their body before becoming encumbered

I hope they work like vehicles in that they're unaffected by stun damage.
They probably do but I want to build a big tanky ass drone with a shield, so I want to make sure it can actually do its job.

>>52015097
They do work like vehicles, they can't get stun damage but electric damage becomes physical.

>>52015139
Excellent news.
Now where the hell am I gonna hide a big ass tanky anthro drone...
Ah well, issues for a future rigger.

>>52015002

Either? I was going to sit down with the 2072 Seattle book but I don't have the time now. I guess I'm just going for a restaurant that would have troll accommodations in the middle or high lifestyle range.

So I actually dug out the rules for inventing Magic Drugs from Street Grimoire, and I am really conflicted.

On one hand, the formula is multi-use, and depending on what reagent you end up rolling, potentially not that expensive to produce. And you get the Critter Powers table, which has some fairly incredible effects for you to poach.

On the other hand, month-long Circulation, which means that running during that time is a awkward, since you have to make it back to the lab to keep tending the potion every eight hours.

Hiring someone to perform the Circulation for you is gonna be cripplingly expensive, so you can't really bypass that part by having a hireling do it.

I dunno, the end result of being able to create alchemical suppositories that give Hardened Armor 8 is pretty enticing, but you gotta jump through a LOT of hoops to get there.

What are the required bioware for a stealthy biosam?

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>>52015168
FWIW it doesn't really need to be big or anything. Just keep in mind you're spending potentially over a million nuyen on something designed for the sole purpose of getting destroyed. Unless you get really creative there's better (and cheaper) ways to protect yourself in a straight up fight.

>>52015275
Enhanced articulation and Synthacardium?

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>>52015275
Muscle Toner: more AGI for your shooting and sneaking.

Pain Editor: for not getting crippled.

>>52015322
Just exploring my options at the moment. I'm sure I'll find a balance between style and function.

Trying to wrap my head around RCC rules. I know how to jump into a drone and what that affects. The problem comes when I want to issue commands to several drones at once. The bare basics I know is that issuing more than one command to several drones means my die pool gets split up accordingly for each other, action? That and the drones use the autosofts of my RCC (or their own) to do things.
I've barely looked at decker rules though and it seems I'll need them to command drones in this manner. And that's a whole confusing kettle of fish. I know that owning a device means you have four marks on it. I spend those marks to give commands to my drones, right? Then how do I get marks back? Am I going full retard and over-complicating things?
(I'm aware of swarm programs but those seem simpler since it's one command across a whole fleet of drones.)

>>52015322
some times the thing that costs a million is really good at killing everything before it can be taken out. Like main battle tanks, you don't build something with a notion of losing.

>>52015225
Speaking from personal experience working audiotech in a few restaurants around my county, including some real snazzy ones: So long as your troll books their table in advance, most restaurants will go a reasonable distance (specialised seating for one) to make sure your troll is comfortably sat down and enjoying his meal. If anything, they'll be slightly more lenient than other establishments since a troll customer is gonna be asking - and paying - for larger portions of food. Really, your biggest problem is either gonna be trying to get a table without a booking, in which case good luck dealing with the pickiness of whoever's manning the front door, or another customer raising a stink about a troll eating in the same establishment as he is. Either way, a nice suit, a polite tone and flashing lots of cash will get you into most restaurants that your average goob can book a table at with their savings. Once you get to the top-end stuff, it's more about who you know than who you are, but that's more for luxury lifestyles.

Rigger 5.0 also mentions a bar frequented both by Evo junior-execs and employees of metahuman corp Krime, so keep that in mind.

>>52015590
>main battle tanks
>he doesn't know about chunky salsa

>>52015658
its just an example

>>52015590
Problem is a drone isn't going to be able to take things out nearly as effectively as say, a streetsam. Sure you'd hopefully get it out before it gets destroyed but the fact that it's a drone means that it's all or nothing when it goes down.

>>52015739
why not 4 roto drones slaved to a lynx controlled by the rigger backing up the street sam and other beefies.

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>>52015418
You're just overcomplicating it. You don't have to spend marks to use the Control Device action. The marks are just a prerequisite, and since you're the owner it doesn't matter.

Additionally, if you're commanding a group of devices you own to all do the same thing, you don't need to split your pool

Since we're talking about drones, can drones with personality eventually develop to the point where they become somewhat self-thinking?
Sorta similar to how Star Wars droids manifest their own personalities and begin thinking for themselves if not regularly memory wiped.

>>52015846
read how AI develop

>>52014601
Was? What happened to her?

So, GMs of /srg/ (all 3 of you)
How do you deal with plots?
Do you deliberately construct an enemy they'll have to fight through runs?
Do you make a big conflict and have the runners decide which side they'll support and how each decision will affect them?
Or do you just throw out some minor runs and see what sticks?

>>52017156
This seems to be more of a general GMing question than a SR specific one.

1) I just make some consistent defense/hazards, if my players manage to avoid them, go them creativity, if they try to trigger each one with their face by beign careless, it's a learnign experience.

2)Most runners will either try to form their own side and try to get what they can out of any given conflict or will ignore it till some side starts paying them, then it's gain vs risk

3) Mostly yeah. But that does not mean that one can't weave in an larger plot into it.

>>52015839
Weekly reminder that the best sort of hacking in 5e is beign a Face with good computer skill.

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>>52017156
I craft my plots in a semi-gamey way.
I usually have an overaching plot that will advance and the Players have the chance to interact with it and influence it heavily. The plot in itself has different actors that want different things and the players have free reign to have any impact they so wish on that plot.

Often I try to make player plot coalesce with my plot to create more cinematic scenes. I let them decide what runs they want to take and what objectives they want to undertake and then I find ways to mesh it with my plot over the span of several runs. It usually comes in the form of breadcrumbs my PCs inevitably follow.

All in all it's like a big game of chess put in front of the players, the can take either the whites or the blacks or they can be the hidden hand that moves both.

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GM wanted me do draw him a sporty looking runner chick with cosmetic wings like some kind of pixie poseur. didn't specify much about implants so I assumed it had no real visible ones.

What do you guys think and what could make it even more shadowrun-ish

Sorry for the bad picture btw

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How badly am I screwing myself over if my main means of defense is a Cavalier Deputy or other 7P heavy pistol?

Pic unrelated.

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>>52018475
Other design I've been working on for comparison

>>52018475
google glass style buillshit is always good
>>52018492
do you think you'll ever actually use it? If the answer is no, then it's ok.

>>52018562
That looks like a cross between roadhog and a porn star.

>>52018562
>>52018475
Those are pretty good, you got no ink pen to make it pop more. Too bad the pic quality is shit

What if spells were more open ended instead of each spell being a specific effect, and getting more hits lets you do more with it?

For example, some pyro can just fuck with heat instead of getting flamethrower, fireball, ignite, and napalm. He rolls one hit and he can raise the temperature in the room a few degrees. If he gets a lot of hits he can make any of the fire-themed spells or something like that.

Or a dude that messes with his body can mess with his attributes like the spell with a low number of hits and flat out become other critters with a high number of hits.

>>52018945
read file names I see... you almost make it sound like it's a bad concept

tfw the only reason you are alive is because the decker managed to brick 2/3 of the enemy guns
Street sams are though but 8 guys firing full auto at you is a litlle bit too much

>>52019196

Mages do not need more versatility, nor do they need to be encouraged to twist spell effects to apply in ways they shouldn't.

>>52019333
>Not having 51 Damage Resistance pool
Come on man.

>>52019196
>>52019350
I probably should've added "aside from the obvious game balance issues" to my question so that the immediate answer wouldn't just be shooting it down and nothing else.

>>52019406

What input are you looking for then? Because outside of comments on the balance and implications of it there's only how to implement it, which I have no interest in because I think its a bad idea.

>>52019350
>Not using the magic finger spell to fondle people's junk while they're discussing serious stuff

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>>52019196
It's not a great idea because it essentially makes lower magic mages worthless. If your spell effect depends on number of hits you lose the whole idea of mages doing big Force spells at the cost of their own body.

I do think that maybe they should group spells together more isntead of creating this mess of a spells list.

>>52019478
Thoughts on how it would be implemented are exactly what I'm looking for. Good thing you're not the only person who posts on /srg/ then.

I'm sure there is at least one other person here who hates vancian magic as much as I do.

>>52019514
That grouping thing is really my bigger concern. I always hated when spells do very specific things.

>>52019493

The spell that goes out of its way to say that it has problems with fine control, and you're going to use it on peoples junk? Not the best plan.

>>52019517

But Shadowrun doesn't use vancian magic.

>>52019578
One of the "rules" or whatever of vancian magic is that spells are each a specific effect.

In Shadowrun Flamethrower is just a stream of fire and Fireball is just a ball of fire, and you can't just make one into the other. You have to learn both spells separately.

>>52019650

Fulfilling one criteria of a thing when there is multiple criteria, does not make a thing that thing.

>>52019676
Well then what should I call it, enlightened master of going off topic to correct people on shit no one else cares about?

>>52019750

Predefined spell effects? You know, actually saying the thing you dislike about the Shadowrun spell system, rather than using a word that means describes a range of things that not everyone is guaranteed to know about since this is a Shadowrun thread and Shadowrun doesn't use vancian magic?

Also on the note of implementation, you would have to completely change the spell casting system, probably making it a two roll system, which will further complicate it on top of the additional complication that such wildly varying spell effects would produce. Its also a massive change to the lore of the world, do you have any plans on addressing that?

>>52019874
lol hell no

The game has enough crunch as it is. I was never going to actually do anything it was just an idea that popped into my head and I was wondering what others thought of it.

most ez modo optimized character to play in SR5e?

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I want to make a cyborg ninja type of character, stealth and melee combat focused, what qualities and implants are a must, I'm pretty new to SR, and there's seem to be a lot of books so I don't want to miss on the good shit.
Also what do you recommend for FUN implants?

5E btw.

>>52019926
Mystic Adept

>>52019958
Synthacardium, Muscle Toner, 570 Cyberschlongs

>>52019919

Well than that's easy. The long is its a bad idea, it would further complicate things, likely cause balance issues both internally to awakened characters and between awakened/nonawakened characters, requires extensive work to implement and it doesnt mesh with the preexisting in world explanations of magic.

Short version, Bad idea, ultimately fixes nothing and takes too much work.

>>52019958
Used Wired Reflexes 3

>>52019980
how do you build one, what does it do?

>>52019926

Easy mode as in powerful, or easy mode as in little work to make or use?

How does touch spells work, do you literally just touch the guy you want to kill?
Can you combine it with a punch or a weapon attack?

>>52020045
both when possible, if not then the former.

>>52020081

Basically yes
The closest mechanical way to do so is as multiple actions, which means splitting your dice pool, so its a bad plan without house ruling.

>>52020092

Adept, high reaction, intuition and agility, get improved reflexes 3, combat sense and improved ability automatics. Its about as easy as you can get it.

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>>52019958
With no limb replacement:
Muscle replacement at 4 with Restricted gear
Wired Reflexes or Synaptic boosters at 2 (Remember that WR can stack with reaction enhancers so if you have low Reaction it might be a good idea.
Dermal plating and some cybereyes.

That's your typical cyberware sam build. Very low essence but you cover the basics.

You can check out cyberarms if you like the flavour of em', they add a lot of utility if you kit them properly, plus they add armor and Physical boxes.

Bioware thought, you'll get a lot more bang but not at chargen because your buck is limited. Synthcardium, Reflex records, Suprathyroid gland, muscle enhancer/toner.

if you want to go raiden, go cyberware.

>>52014336
Last Campaign's talismonger was dug out of archives of old games: Emmanuel Goldstein, Jewish Stereotype and golemicist.

"Oy vey, goyim! Velcome, velcome! Please, look around. You want some schlitz?"
"Bubbolehs, hide me! My mother is coming to visit! Let me stay at your safehouse!"
"I give discounts for payments in gold!"
"You wanna read my copy of the protocols, goyim?"

>>52019290
I'm not complaining desu.
...
Dammit, now I'm trying to figure out what all the other hypothetical pornoverwatch characters would look like. Some (dva) it's not so hard. Others (bastion) I'm at a complete loss.

>>52020551

You lack imagination.

>>52020551
You seriously can't imagine a pornstar version of a robot that can turn into a giant phallus shaped minigun?

>>52020641
Well now I'm imagining it. I kinda wish I wasn't desu.

>>52020667
your mind is way too pure, anon-kun

>>52020641
Quick, someone post the 4A cock-samurai.

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>Narco + Nephritic Screen 6
>Narco-Enhanced Kamikazi
>+2 Body, +2 Agility, +3 Strength, +2 Willpower, +2 Physical limit, +2D6 Initiative Dice, High Pain Tolerance 3 for 1d6 x 10 - 6 minutes
Is this a viable alternative to Wired Reflexes or Synaptic Boosters for a streetsam at chargen? I kind of like the idea of beefing up on combat-stimulants and absolutely fucking shit up, addiction be dammed.

What don't people like about bows? There was some talk about them yesterday, and I looked online, but what I mostly got were ways to improve Bows instead of ways that bows were not meeting expectations.

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>>52020260
>cyber eyes

>>52020750
>What don't people like about bows?

Mostly that they are very resource intensive to get them comparable to even the dinkiest of assault rifles. They are novel and they do have situational uses. They are silent, their ammo is retrievable (and thus reusable) and tougher to track through forensics. Plus they aren't as heavily policed since they are "sport" weapons. However a character who has the strength to use any bow that is worth a damn would be better off using literally any actual firearm since their strength allows them to better resist the effects of recoil.

>>52020750
Bad damage
Bad rate of fire

Just get a gun.

>>52020750
-slow to fire without GM permissiveness and buy in
-expensive per shot at high ratings or with non-standard arrows
-require what's almost an exotic skill
-usually need high strength for DV
-a firearm can do everything a bow can, cheaper, easier, faster, with no rules questions

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>>52020750
Two simple actions to load and fire, gotta have 10 STR to even get close to being as effective as firearms, alternate arrowheads aren't great, and you don't really get a lot of choice or versality for the skill-investment, whereas the various firearms-skills all give you a pretty decent selection of goodies.

It's not *terrible* with the right build, they're silent and ammo is reusable most of the time but you're still gonna be seriously gimped compared to firearm users. Only invest in it if you're seriously dedicated to the flavor and don't mind being lagged behind the gunslingers in your group. Not terrible as a flavorful ranged-backup for an Ork or Troll melee adept, mind you.

>>52020752
Two extra dice to your shooting is pretty hard to argue against m8.

>>52020744
Sorta, the problem is that this is only good for one, maybe two combats per run.
The stun damage from the crash effect will screw you.

>>52020839
>stun damage from the crash effect will screw you

Pain editor?

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>>52020839
Stun damage is my main concern, yeah. Our party's Decker has 9 dice for biotech skills and is planning to carry along a decent supply of medkits, stimpatches and the stuff, so we're hoping that'll take the edge off the crash until our sammy can afford pain-editors as >>52020881 mentioned.

>>52020752
Well they're cool and you get implanted smartlink bonus. Plus a plethora of other cool vision mods you have all the time.

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Any must-have/mandatory qualities for a Decker besides Codeslinger and Overclocker?

>>52020831
>gotta have 10 STR to even get close to being as effective as firearms
wait, aren't most melee modifiers positive ones instead of all the negative ones firearm gets

If I remember right, If your character charges at a guy, the melee attacker gets a +2 for charging while the ranged defender gets a -2 for trying to hit a moving target. Additionally, the melee attacker gets bonuses for stuff like outnumbering and weapon reach

>>52017156
When I was GMing it for a short bit, I really just gave them a job and sat back. There was a running kinda central plot and that required a few scenes to be fit in, but otherwise I had kinda schedules for roughly when/where people would be. In general I try to make my games feel as though if the party weren't around the world would just continue on without them, and I especially did that with Shadowrun,

What's your runner's street name, /srg/?

>>52022347
steve

>>52022347
Dorkula. He wanted everyone to call him deadeye, but he dresses up like dracula and no-one likes him, so that wasn't going to happen.

>>52022576
Way to memorable.

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>>52022347
Consort. I'm the joygirl Face from a couple threads ago.

See, I like the Cuba writeup. Gives you lots of local flavour, lots of plot hooks, an idea of the people and contacts - so why was it jammed into Hard Targets? It's not even tangentially related, like War and Bogota.

They put out a rewrite of SWA with stuff like that through it and they'll go a long way to making people think they're not huffing paint thinner anymore.

>>52014336
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

In 5e can you have all your skills at the max or is it only one at max like with attributes?

>>52022777
You can have multiple skills at max at character creation in 5e. Like other editions though, your ability scores can only have one maxed out.

>>52022347
My team reads these threads, but I can tell you past names. Good ones include Wolfmother; Silver Samurai boku no Kokoro, The Silver Wind, Trust Issues, Back Problems, and Wastrel.

>>52022347
My team reads these threads but I don't even give a fuck. Peaches is my handle.

>>52023437
Don't you lie to me. Anyone in our team would know you couldn't even post on a messaging board thanks to your Gremlins.

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>>52023450
You forgot my 2 logic and computer illiterate trait on top of that, chummer.

Go back to bed, Church.

>>52023437
Jesus, Peaches, way to out yourself. Shouldn't you be punching kangaroos and helping the Church steal drugs?

>>52023468

Bruh, that ain't me. I'm >>52023644


Who the fuck is mocking you?

Take your dramafag bullshit back to wherever it's from.

Quick, I need all the rival cliches possible.

>52023688
>a run team is memeing at each other 8n the dead of night
>DRAMA HELP HELP

Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.

>>52023468
>>52023644
>>52023659
>>52023716
Well done Peaches. Not only do you mess up on jobs, you mess up threads too.
Cowboys in ponchos were a mistake.
Love you though.

>>52023704
Evil twin. Evil clone. Evil third cousin twice removed. Evil next door neighbor. Secretly evil spouse who wears a domino mask while doing evil.
>>52023972
Why would a cowboy be named peaches?

>>52024032
Cause he's peachy-keen, pardner

>>52022682
There's that fucking razor chin again.

>>52025237

Well she is in a pretty sharp suit.

>>52025237
How else is she going to stealthily poke holes in her clients condoms, anon?

What's the most hilariously skewed ratio of payment to property damage you've ever caused?

>kill about 10 regular guards
>crash an attack helicopter into a downtown building
>blow a highway bridge to make our escape
>get 10k nuyen a head, and a new location for my eco-terrorist cell

Is there anything in Shadowrun, preferably through spells, which acts like a magnet?

>>52025933
Magnets?
What exactly do you need?

>>52025949
I want the ability to make a giant magnet at the top of a room and rip every person with chrome nearby up to the ceiling.

>>52025960
Don't think there is one Chummer
And even if there were one, you most likely would have to get a fuckton of hits to actually move Cyberlimbs and not just make the tableware float

>>52025933
Steal a high power, low density magnet from an industrial facility, attach it too a drone with a fantastic battery and just have the drone climb to the floor above you.

Yekka, I don't know what you did, but Movement Rates aren't showing up properly in Chummer now.

Is it possible to make a build that makes use of Deadly Venom and have it not be shit?

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>>52026343
Hm?

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>>52026613
Other Info tab at the bottom right. 100% vanilla human character that I just made, only thing on it is a disposable throwing syringe which is terrifyingly shit.

The movement numbers just don't show up, it just shows zeros.

>>52026613
The charsheets no longer display walking/running speeds (cyberlimbed or normal).
Also, drone cyberarms are buggered. Giving them strength/agility enhancements gives you money instead of subtracting, and crashes Chummer if you click on them.

>>52022347
Tinman
Four obvious cyberlimbs and tons of armor.
If I'd ask my teammates though, it would be "inspector Gadget", nowadays.

>>52025822
There was an assassination run we're we kidnapped a politician, harming no one in the process and then personachipped him into being the man he always wanted to be. Telling mr Johnson he will not be coming back.
We got 80k each.

Or the time we actually had a "one off" deal to use a Thor shot, because we had some really fucky pink mohawk campaign and the campaign was coming to a close.
So we had a group of kamikaze trolls to clear out as a favor in return for 3 months of average lifestyle for an NPC.
At most 3 sessions left.
An unused thor shot.
No civvies nearby.
Yeah, that went on the news.

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>>52026636
>>52026640
Can't reproduce either one in debug, I'll take a look at the nightlies first chance I get to see if there's something weird going on there.

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Can someone explain me how cyberlimbs work, for example this chummer screenshot, I have natural 3 str then between parenthesis there's 5 and then in each arm I have 9, so my understanding is for general strength tasks that use the whole body I have 5 and then for attacks with only the arms I use my 9 strength (plus whatever the weapon has).
Also how does it work for agility? I put some cyberlegs with full agility and my walking rate didn't go up, only if upgrade the base stat does go up.

>>52026989
Because you're retarded and you probably have the cyberlimb option work so that it goes Arm+Arm+Torso+Head+Leg+Leg instead of cutting out the head, and because you only have arms and not legs, so it's averaging it together. If you were to use them with just the arms actually in use, it'll use the full 9.

>>52025960
here is the problem
most "chrome" is made of polymers, carbon and very little metal. Bonelacing is the most metal you can get on metahuman and even then its aluminium/titanium, both nonmagnetic.

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>>52027035
Is this wrong then? it's my first time using chummer and I don't understand jack shit.
How can I change the cyberlimb option, sorry for being retarded.

>>52027035
How do you configure Chummer to only factor in arms/legs for averaging stats?
I looked through options and switching through number of limbs didn't seem to change anything.

>>52027088
Tools>Options>General>Characters and Printing>Limbs for Standard Characters, make the box use the relevant selection.

>>52027132
Thanks chum.

>>52026989
Doesn't augmented maximum of +4 prevent you from getting cyberlimbs with 9 str, if you have 3 str?

>>52027369
Cyberlimbs go off of your Metatype maximum and augmented maximum, not your own personal ones.

>>52027382
Lets be real here, though.

If you tried to take some weak as fuck guy and bolt on an arm that was 9 times stronger than him, it'd literally rip itself off his body when he tried to use it.

You should have to have the actual stat at the rating of your cyberlimb, or take physical damage when you use it.

Maybe allow an Edge test to avoid it.

>>52027382
Really? On p.94 in core I can only see
>[...]can only receive an augmentation bonus of up to +4.
Nothing about natural maximum. Am I reading it wrong, or is there other place they specify it?

>>52027469
Cyberlimbs have their own attributes, anon, and the augmentation bonus is what the Cyberlimb Customization is doing, not the limb itself.

>>52027469
Cyberlimbs, Pg 455+.

>>52027492
>>52027511
Ok, thanks. I'm in the process of learning rules right now. Want to run campaign for friends, they don't like magic part of setting though. I was thinking if dropping it would be good idea.

>>52027550
Nah, not really.

A direct neural interface, or DNI, connects your brain to
electronic devices. Direct neural interface (along with a sim
module) is required for VR use, but DNI is also useful for AR
in that you don’t need any additional gear like earbuds or an
image link to see or hear augmented reality objects.
How do you sign up? You get DNI by wearing trodes, or
having an implanted datajack, commlink, or cyberdeck. And if
you’re using a sim module along with your DNI, you can get a
sort of “super AR mode” where you can also feel, smell, and
taste your AR experience.

Core rulebook, p. 222

So how does this work if I have a datajack/control rig? I just... automatically see things in AR even without cybereyes? Does this mean I can send messages with my head too or does that require an actual implanted commlink?

>>52027603
Yup, as long as you have a DNI to your comlink you can use AR without additional tools
Also you can send messages with your mind as long as you are connected to it.

>>52027603
>I just... automatically see things in AR even without cybereyes?

Yes. What happens is that your 'jack or rig recieves the signals from the Matrix arounds you and injects any relevant one straight into your brains so you can see them.

>Does this mean I can send messages with my head too?
No. Sending a message is a Matrix action. To perform a Matrix action you need to be connected trough a device giving you a persona. (Comlink/Deck/RCC/device modded to allow it). If you have such a device and your 'jack/trodes/rig is connected to it, then sure, you just need to think at the machine.

>>52018492
Depends, if your a mage or technomancer, that's fine you shouldn't be gun slinging anyway.
If your a gun adept, I'd go with two pistols and split your fire when you shoot. Go full Neo with that shit.
If your a cyborg, make sure that's just a side arm. Have a long arm or assault rifle as your primary weapon.
And remember pistols are always good because you can easily sneak them into places and most of them you can get licenses for.

>>52027418
>If you tried to take some weak as fuck guy and bolt on an arm that was 9 times stronger than him, it'd literally rip itself off his body when he tried to use it.

That idea is already represented as the metatype maximum for cyberlimb customization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59uAseJFh7M

So what do you think of this original not-shadowrun movie trailer, /tg/

>>52015846
No rules for it, and it's very unlikely for a standard drone to turn into AI; they're just not that complex, they're called dogbrains for a reason. But there are personalitysofts for neets to put in their toasters.

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>>52020544
>"You wanna read my copy of the protocols, goyim?"

That's a very strange thing for him to say. Either he's offering antisemitic propaganda, or he's revealing secret minutes of Jewish world domination to some schmuck.

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>>52022733
I'm guessing someone just wanted to write up Havana. Why was Istanbul in Cutting Aces? Because they wanted to write about it, so they made it fit.

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>>52026613
>that pic

The future is coming.

>>52021326
I'd actually call Perfect Timing (and possibly Quick Config if you really want to go all in) better than Overclocker because of how it lets you swing things around in an emergency.

>>52028381
So is the extra matrix attribute not as fantastic as my head hyped it up to be?

>>52026690
>80k each

Prime runner campaign?

>>52029632
Oh no, it's quite good. It's just that depending on your circumstances it's quite possible to get better use out of being able to instantly go into defensive mode once you make a mistake.

Or adding on even more sneaking if you suddenly notice that a spider is present or think that a Patrol IC is going to be scanning you soon.

>>52027550
Play Cyberpunk 2020 or something.

>>52027751
Is this bait?

>mages and technomancers shouldn't be gun slinging

Everyone should have a gun and know how to use it, magic only gets you so far.

>if you're a gun adept, I'd go with two pistols and split your fire when your shoot.

Splitting your dice pool is a terrible idea.

>>52029758
Well I'm going for a Hacking/HotF build so anything that'll be handy for keeping sneakybeaky as long as possible is gonna be convenient.

>>52029945
If you also have the physical sneaking chops, consider direct connection all the time and running Smoke-and-Mirrors at full power.

If you can't sneak well enough, then limit it to less than what you can cancel with Noise Reduction in your current situation. And then jack it back up afterwards. (This is easier with Perfect Timing, but doesn't need it.)

No sense taking a penalty that could get you spotted, after all.

>>52027550
Just keep Magic mostly in the background.
Runs with little to no magic are super fun and work pretty well with the system.

What's the best element for elemental body? In addition, is that ability any good? Seems sweet just from a flavor angle at the very least.

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>>52030190
Don't know about Elemental Body, but I had a lot of fun with Elemental Strike (Acid).

With the power to... MELT!

>>52030190
Nobody ever takes armor to protect against cold unless the setting is in a cold environment.

>>52030060
Signal Scrub + Vectored Signal Filter module + Antennae should provide more than enough noise-reduction to let me use Smoke-and-Mirrors at full-blast without penalty, effectively giving me 5 extra sleaze for the cost of one program-slot.

This could mean my Ranraku Tsurugi's low-3 could be thrown onto sleaze and I'd still have a respectable 8 for getting shit done and still have two fives and a six for my other matrix attributes, or put the six into Sleaze and bump it up to eleven for maximum clusterfuck (twelve if I run the Stealth program alongside).

I am still not sure how to Rig into a robot. Anyone got a step by step?

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>>52030327
Because Cold is a garbage elemental effect. They need to roll zero hits on their armour test for the cold effect to take place, so literally anything thicker than a t-shirt and they're fine. Mathhammered, you'd need to attack 83 people in armoured jackets before you got lucky and broke one.

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>>52030190
Electricity is the best option for Body, because of the debuff. If someone is hitting you in melee, odds are they are a melee combatant (or you fucked up and stood next to some schmuck but didn't annihilate him with your own attack). Taking an IP away from the dude trying to stab you is incredibly useful, and it works on high-soak targets as well.

Electric Strike and Body means that anyone who gets within arm's reach is fucked irredeemably.

Question for y'all:

I'm running a campaign now - party's got a sniper/summoner/face, a troll "i punch things good" adept, a decker, a medic, and a mage powergamer who understands the system far better than everyone else. Now, I've given most everybody at least a few moments to shine - except for the troll. I don't know what I can give the troll that can't be accomplished by the sniper, or (more accurately) any of the various spirits or mind control magic the party can summon. Do you guys have any suggestion for a run that would give the troll adept the spotlight that wouldn't seem contrived? (ie. having the run take place in some "no spirits allowed" zone or something like that).

>>52030373
Datajack and a good E. Warfare roll can also help add to that in emergencies.

(If you need to know what I mean, Rigger 5.0 formally turned the RCC ability to roll E. Warefare and reduce Noise into a regular Matrix action. So anyone can do it. RCCs are just slightly better at it.)

>>52030550

What can the troll do besides punching things?

>>52030374
Okay, so do you own the drone, or have been given 3 marks by the actual owner? If yes, you're golden. Just take the action and start making your hot-sim VR bonused, noise penaltied actions like semi-normal.

Are you not? Well, then you've got to somehow get the three marks. It's really hard to have a good Sleaze or Attack rating, so hope you have an outside helper, or a lot of edge.

>>52030707

Honestly? Nothing. I think he's put all his skills into combat.

>>52030550
Separate the party so the Troll has to defend somehow?

>>52030550
Have them suffer a chemical trap (gas or drugs) at the end of a run so the troll with his ridiculously high body rating is the last one standing and has to carry the rest of the party to safety?

Have a Johnson send them to a pharma corp where they get captured and used as lab rats. Put drug/restraints on the casters so they can't use magic so the only ways to escape would be to be tough enough to resist the drugs or just brute strength through the restraints?

Have your party hired by someone who wants a rare item, one of which happens to be the first prize of an underground fistfight/martial art tournament?

Have enemies throw the anti-spirit grenades from 4e at your party? Esprit 'petite brume' if I remember the name right

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>>52030550
Going off of >>52030869, play up the troll angle. Have him contacted by the Ork Underground; they heard about his ability to punch, and they want him to punch things for them. There's a bunch of thugs (dwarves and paid-by-Renraku legbreakers) coming to evict a bunch of orc grannies from a building.

Spirits can't pass through living earth, and the tunnels severely limit sniping opportunities. But when a squad of cybered-up dwarves with more iron in their bodies than a Warhammer Dwarf has on his body comes rushing down a narrow tunnel, it's time to play Whack-a-Mole.

>>52031002
I already pulled the race option - he decided to go into goblin-town with the elf summoner ("because she's the face!"), which got him quickly blacklisted - the medic, an orc, took his place there.

I do like the sleep gas thing that >>52030893
mentioned, though.

>>52022347
I've had a few that I really enjoyed playing.

Dr. Smiles
Khem
Laboon
Lobo
Rumble

All pretty good memories.

>>52022347
Vulcan. Moon Knight/Punisher-style vigilante in the streets of LA.

>>52022347
Lober - Comic relief ork face
Karjack - Dwarf rigger

>>52022347
Brandy. Works alongside Whiskey, Sangria, Vermouth and Shochu in a runner-group that calls themselves The Cabinet.

They're all worryingly dependent on alcohol to get through the working day.

>>52022347

I'm not running right now (trying to find a group is becoming frustratingly difficult) but my past favourites have been Chodak, Martini, and Static.

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>>52022347
I've played a few, Stag, Sierra, Liv, Nyx, DOOM, Sokol.
Currently playing the last three, it's a bit of a multi-runner campaign.

>>52031698

>dye hair
>change ears
>pretend I'm playing a different character when it's actually still my waifu

They'll never catch on :)

>>52031763
I know I sameface pretty hard, I'm trying not to.

>>52015273
Heavily dilute the formula and sell it as a high-end combat drug and cater to wiz-gangs and maybe cop corps. See if your Face or Fixer will do you a solid for cheap and use your profits on the good stuff for yourself.

>>52015273
What do you mean "circulation" couldn't some kind of drone do that for you?

>>52032041
It's implied that it's an expert job only performed by one of the awakened across a few books. Tweaking the aura, the circulation's properties by dint of what's happened in a way that you can only identify by the aura, etc.

>>52028012
I think I'll watch it. It's going to suck, but I'm going to watch it.

>>52031812
You can start by drawing porn. Making every set of tits different is a good practice, I'm not kidding.

>>52032519
As a random anon with little to no drawing experience, are there any good porn drawing guides floating about?

>>52032394
The only one I can think of that takes a long time is making Orichalcum. Got a page number?

Because I thought you were talking about Advanced Alchemy, which takes the normal amount of time, assuming you already have the properly refined reagents for the potency you want.

>>52032519
Dammit Frank, get off /srg/
>>52032561
Watch porn and start from there, that's what I did.

>>52032567
Different person. I see 'circulation' and that's my default answer. But pages: 42 of 3e's magic in the shadows and a page I can't check in one of the SOTA books since I don't have them anymore talking about it are my fluff justifications.

>>52032561
There are a lot of nude references and guides in the internet. It's not something hidden behind 10000 proxies or something.

>>52032704
At least from the book the other guy was talking about, it's the 5e book, and I'm just looking for what he's talking about just for more knowledge on my end.

Or correcting, if that's the case.

>>52031698
Man I miss Liv :(

>>52030505
>That .webm

You monster, i thought something bad would happen to that lil' muffin

Has anyone ever played a character with no combat skills whatsoever? How was it?

>>52033171
My current character is a TM with 2 in every physical attribute. Noncombat is great because it challenges the GM to make the environment more interactive.

Still survived a firefight with Delta Force thought, it was a lot of "I go prone to not get hit by the Barret 50cal with DU rounds".

>>52032609
>>52032728
I'm an idiot. Of course.

>>52030505
Webm made my anus clench.

>>52032782
Fluff justification. 5e books are remarkably thin on the ground when it comes to fluff, or fluff that doesn't outright contradict other fluff.

>>52033219
Cool. I was thinking of something like that for my first character, a TM/Face.
If only I'd actually have a group to play it ;_;

>>52032976
I miss Achilles, Sigurd and Rowan too man.

>>52033302
The thing is that the Advanced Alchemy stuff doesn't take that long. Making Orichalcum does, but Advanced Alchemy (which lets you give out spell-like abilities and Critter Powers), only takes a few minutes if you've got the reagents already ready.

And if he was talking about Advanced Alchemy in his post, then it only takes a handful of minutes once you've refined your reagents, and while the refining process does take a good bit of time, but they can also be purchased if you don't mind leaving a bit of a paper trail.

The actual product will take less than ten minutes, max. (Only because there's a small number of those powers you'd want at such high levels, and even then you're going to have to deal with the side-effects for an equally long amount of time. And some of them kinda suck.)

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>>52015418
Biodrones might work better, While they can take stun damage, teh can also take noPAINt and don't give a fuck.

And thinking about the money involved in single-drone rigging there might not be too much of a difference from the price.

Also Biodrones have overflow and may or may not use their own edge to do stuff.
Also have bigger dicepools than their shiny counterparts

>>52032561
Doxy has a bunch of tutorials on anatomy, perspective, etc. that are pretty good.
Before that, draw every day. 100% the most important part of learning to draw.

Hypothetically, a player wants to create a character with an augmentation bundle (full cyber body) and have it self-advertise as a Shiawase i-Doll or something similar. What do?

>>52034843
Let him. Make sure to give him a Wanted (Shiawase) quality if he ever gets caught doing something really shitty, though.

>>52022347
I GM forever and like making characters too much, but they're still technically "my runners".

There's Brutaliza, an elf combat biker who tries too fucking hard to disprove all the elf stereotypes because she's afraid at failing at the one thing she devoted her life to (drinking whisky by the liter and eating beer cans with her cyberjaw).
Quilty, the 50-something Renraku exec with an obsession with humanlike drones from a failed marriage that made him think he can never hope to have children (he's just afraid of fucking up) and compensates through running with Realistic Features 4 anthroform drones in order to somehow compensate for the child that will never be. His internal logic takes hundreds of words to explain.
Grungie, a physad who looks like he stepped straight out of 1994, who quit a life smoking weed and sleeping on friends' couches because a girl he liked was "stolen away" by a Mitsuhama drone (they'd agreed beforehand that she could marry if she wanted to because he was a financial drain, but his memory is selective).
Jonesy, the middle-aged housewife with a Humanis past who was saved by her successful daughter's life insurance when her husband (eclipsed by their daughter and going mad with shame) decided to try to kill her in a double suicide, then turned to "fixing" the streets because the high-grade bioware needed to save her also made her feel like a monster who couldn't go back to her old life.
Tool, the nerdy elf cybernetics student with fantastic skill but abysmal social and cooperative skills, who was rejected by Ares (he is a sperg, given) enough times to make him bolt a huge cyberarm with an internal shotgun onto himself and seek revenge.
I write too much and play too little.

>>52034843
When you say 'full cyber body' do you mean a brain inside of an iDoll or a guy with 4 cyberlimbs + cyberskull + cybertorso?

>>52034901
The latter, as an augmentation bundle. (Chrome Flesh 92)

>>52034901
Not the guy you're replying to, but full-body cybernetics and then hacking the cybernetics bundle's transmitter to broadcast it as an iDoll.
You could also fluff that as his cybernetics actually being a repurposed iDoll operated in piece by piece. It would probably get Shiawase mad either way just because they don't want runners giving them a bad name.

>>52034843
Keep in mind that a 'full' cyberbody is not a full cybernetic replacement. You'll still have all your limbs and such, the cybertorso and skull are just invasive scaffolding.

>>52018183
Funnily enough, that applies to the real world, too. Most "hacking" is just simple social engineering taken out of context. Knowing code helps, but you can "hack" peoples' accounts across the internet with nothing but a phone and enough bullshit.

>>52034843
Major?

>>52035056
Try Armitage III.
Major Kusanagi is a completely sensible, functional and non-sexualized cyborg compared to that bundle of fetishes.

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>>52022347
Fraggin Greg, seen here bottom left.
Real name Greginald Chen-Van der Woud. He was not a popular man at any point in his life. Our team was full of hard gangers, ex-Firewatch, Vory hitmen, etc. and here's this fragging fat bald chain smoking troglodyte mouthbreather who won't shut up about some new sim Ares has been hocking. He also had fixed lens cybereyes, which made it unnerving to talk to him since you don't know where he's looking. At least he was some kind of idiot savant at rigging. Broke the GM's sequence of events one time by driving backwards at full speed through parked airport traffic.

>>52035116
Hey, I have that on my hard drive!

>>52035144
This honestly reminds me of the mafia driver from Jormungand.

Is it just me or does sum to 10 mys adept allow you to build crazy good and versatile characters?

Just built an elf that can rooty tooty point & shooty as good as a cybered sam but can also fly and go invisible, kill in complete silence.

Isn't bad at social or B&E either

>>52035152
It's good, but the main OVAs are generally considered the most worthwhile.
It really has a sense of grit that most Shadowrun games seem to lack - a central part of a lot of good cyberpunk is properly showing exactly how fucked-up society is getting, why it's getting that way and why people aren't stopping it.
There's a severe shortage of cyberpunk that goes into the details of the bread and circuses at work in the setting, not to mention politics and even law enforcement, and Armitage III manages to create a sense of a world gone honestly wrong and not just the real world with megacorps plopped in.

Where are the rules for full cyber skulls?

>>52035175
It felt kinda like Jormungand. We were a KE-sanctioned shadow unit of collared criminals who managed to get a little extra work on the side as long as it benefited our employers. Did some crazy shit with a seaplane gunship, set up a triad gang war, cut off some dude's toes and made a deal with a dragon.I KNOW RIGHT

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>>52035116
>the future
>using 20th century tech to shoot at androids
All the more weird because armitage carry a future gun.

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>>52035672
But did you have a fixer named Coco?

>when you realize that elemental body does the same damage your basic attack does, only with the added benefit of killing you with drain

Well, guess that's one power point I just saved.

I was considering playing a decker with a side of rigging as my main combat option. I'd be letting my drone's autosoft do the job whilst I hack my way through whatever needs to be done. What's a cheap and efficient drone build ? Either one drone that won't die on its rating 6 autosoft or a swarm that I can easily replace.

>>52036822
Last I heard, damage from Elemental Body is not a replacement for melee damage.

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>>52036889
Rotodrone with AK-98. Suppressive fire and grenades for about 10k, all inclusive.

Do I need a control rig to use the ocular drone eye implant?

>>52037140
You only ever need a control rig to jump into a drone. If you don't want to jump in, you don't need a control rig.

I'm going to start DMing soon. First time in any system, with players who have never played. I played one campaign and am reading through the core rulebook. Any advice? I'm thinking of doing a campaign in Las Vegas revolving around an ex-prostitute trying to establish a brothel, securing a location, deeds, permits, workers, security, reputation, etc.

>>52037163
Cool, thanks for the fast answer.

>>52037008
What about using Dobermans ? Does the fact that its tracked rather than flying come up as an issue often ?

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>>52037233
Get Hayek sheets from pastebin, read moar, make players read section for the thing they want to play (the mage needs to know the magic rules, etc), stay clear of technomancers for first-time players but deckers are fine, don't listen to the hate, SR is a terrible idea for people new to tabletop gaming and virgin GMs because the rules are denser than plutonium and more confusing than deep memes, etc.

>I'm thinking of doing a campaign in Las Vegas revolving around an ex-prostitute trying to establish a brothel, securing a location, deeds, permits, workers, security, reputation, etc.

Pretty low stakes famalam. Unless this woman is actively fighting against the corporate/mob cartels that control Las Vegas, this is the basis for a single run to smooth out a rough patch, not the basis of a campaign.

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>>52037324
Depends on what you use it for. If it's literally going to be at your heels the entire time, it doesn't really matter. The plus is that you can put points into Pilot Groundcraft and know how to drive the car carrying your drone and meatsuit out of there.

The rotodrone is just default because it's easy to mod (with BOD counting as 3 higher for mods and parts readily available per fluff) and because flying can be used in a bunch of ways if you get creative with it.

>he doesn't change safe houses every month

Do you wanna get geeked omae?

>>52038060
>he has the money to outfit a new safehouse every month

I want corpkid poseurs to leave

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>>52038060
Chummer, I got work to do every day. I can't be looking for a safe hole in the wall all the damn time. Just make sure the one you got is clean, paid for, and check in with the landlord every once in a while to make sure they haven't rented it out under you.

>>52038089
>he lives a lifestyle higher than squatter

Do you wanna get geeked omae?

Get a bolt hole. Don't change it til you use it.

>>52038060
>not just burying your stuff in random locations

>>52038451
Found the Dog shaman

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What exactly does magical research involve in Shadowrun? I have a Drake who's letting herself be science'd by a kabal of mages in exchange for their protection.

Aside from what I came up with (Detailed observation of her aura and the astral signatures she creates when she Shifts, which she'd be asked to do repeatedly, back and forth), what sort of experiments might be being run on her during her off-hours?

Also, obviously, 'dissection' and the like are off the table. They only have one Drake guinea pig, they're not going to kill her out of hand.Plus, you know, I'd rather my character not die.

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>>52038511
>What exactly does magical research involve in Shadowrun?

>>52038553
SR has werewolves?

>>52038601
SR has spirits and infected.

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>>52033163

Same here, man, was genuinely worried for a moment there.

>>52038511
Shoot lightning into his chromosomes until they turn inside out. Fuck around with spell formula to see what happens. Ask him to shelf half a dozen varieties of reagents, then do the lightning in the chromosomes trick. Etc.
>>52038601
Both shifters and loup-garou.

>>52038601

Loup Garou. They're infected.

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Hey /srg/, Its 8-player GM anon again. I have two questions: How does Life module compare to Point Buy as far as character balance goes in 5e? Also, what is a good amount of Karma for PB to get a more Paramilitary feel?

>>52038743
By the looks of it Life Modules just make more rounded, less specialised/minmaxed characters.

Isn't there an option in Point Buy for advanced runner generation?

>>52038743
I'm assuming all of this is 5e
Life Modules are not that unbalanced compared to karma gen, since unless you go out of your way to minmax modules (that will be pretty obvious), you still need to pay the karma cost for the higher attributes and skills. The main downside of Life Modules, is that in an 8 player game, it will be kind of hard to make characters distinct themselves from eachother. Karmagen and Life Modules reward generalization, and the larger the group the more common ground everyone will have, and step on eachother toes constantly.
Life modules are good for starting up in Shadowrun, since they give a bit on insight on who your character is while building him up, but not great if you know what you want and feel the system is not helping. And if you know your players won't go full abusive, they have an understanding of the system, and you would rather if they were a more mixed breed instead of 4 generics and 4 specialists, Sum-to-10/11 lets them get what they want.
For a more paramilitary theme, I would increase the karma-to-money ratio and increase availability. Or give them a group budget, so they can afford stuff like choppers and assault cannons without costing into their 'ware.

>>52038956
So for StT i would just increase the amount of money in each category to get the same result, right?

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>GSA doesn't like his character
>Traditionally plays magic characters
>Party will soon be 3 Mages 1 Decker

>>52039232
Not too surprising given the amount of cool stuff magic users can get, on top of the normal cool stuff any mundane could get (albeit less effectively).

>>52039127
Yeah, the official rules for "Prime Runner" on the corebook are a good guideline, personally I would just leave it like that and increase the karma-to-nuyen ratio to 2500 per karma.
• Priority A: 500,000 nuyen
• Priority B: 325,000 nuyen
• Priority C: 210,000 nuyen
• Priority D: 150,000 nuyen
• Priority E: 100,000 nuyen

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Alright, /srg/. How do I get into this room in Dragonfall? Last mission in Harfeld Manor.

I've played through twice and haven't found a way

>>52039338
IIRC you need some ridiculously high strength to break the wall down?

>>52039338
I think you use the drones. There is a drone control there, and you can make the drones self-destruct.
I recall when you use them, you have options on 'where' to send them, and one of them is that armory. Don't quote me on that tho, it was a while ago.

Does the markup system in chummer not allow you to factor discounts in? I set a purchase to give a discount from made man and it keeps telling me 'not enough nuyen' as if I'm trying to buy it full price

>>52039424
strength isnt the answer- i used console commands to have max STR and still couldnt bust it

>>52039607
is probably right

>>52039723
Wild guess is that it's checking your Nuyen total for the unedited amount. Try adding the price of the item to your cash, then try the purchase again.

If all else fails, just just re-account out the balance you should have after the discount.

Is a good way to mess with meta-paranoid players making them have a jiminy cricket that follows them around and gives sound-seeming advice?

>>52039937
Honestly I'd kill for that. Sometimes I have no idea what's a smart move to do so I just sit around and wait for my team members to come up with an idea.

>>52039962
>At least the BUG SPIRIT has a plan, unlike you knuckleheads!

>>52014336

>shoot ammo
>watch your ammo
>conserve ammo
>And never, ever cut a deal with ammo

>>52039246

After chatting with him, he just needs a good concept to play. He's normally the Minmaxer to end all minmaxers, so I helped him make a GSA that was the hottest shit ever. I mean, it's what he wanted.

Turns out it's more boring to play than he thought, because there's less combat than he thought.

So back to the drawing board for concepts that I can translate to mechanics

I basically made most of my player's characters, because I am the only one who studied the system and had an interest.

>>52040165
What is a GSA?
Also, if your players come with the idea of shooting their way through things, they have the wrong idea of Shadowrun. The game is about the Plan A, not Plan B. And even if you go full Pink Mowhawk, it's still about the crazy plans and how to make them work, no matter how shooting first ask questions later the team is.

>>52040165
>>52040223
>mfw this is me and my first character
>mfw all they can do is shoot things gud
>mfw I totally underestimated the potential the system and world has, but now I have this character we're kinda stuck to shooting at things every time

I fucked up.

>>52040223
'Gun-Slinger Adept'?
Just a guess.

>>52040271
You can always talk to your GM to retire the character and make a new one. If a players come saying "Hey, I feel like my character is just a bunch of combat stats and nothing else, can you help me fix it some way?" I would give him a hand. Even more if it's your first character.
Depending on how many sessions in, I would even let you do a "do-over" as long as you don't change your role in the party, and don't change the main 'flavor' behind it (Instead of a guy with a gun, you can be a guy with a gun that likes to sweetalk ladies and knows a bit fixing cars).

Making your first characters in shadowrun is hard mate, don't worry. My two first characters were a shirtless yakuza with a katana, and Daddy Yankee+Adam Jensen fucked up hybrid.

>>52040316
That sounds better than "Greatest Stealth Archer"

>the game is gonna be influenced by crime movies and somber jazz music, the crew is likely gonna navigate through high-life societies and get involved in both political and criminal intrigue if they wish


>"Okay so my character is a drake teutonic crusader"

Wut de fuark

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How much money would someone get for selling a whole non-cybered awakened human to the cartel for organ harvesting?

>>52040518
His character is obviously a devout "Catholic Assassin", taken as a young child under the care of a Church with ties with the local Mafia. He worked as a small errant boy and made his way up the criminal ladder, ending up working as the personal guard of the eldest daughter of the Montegraccio, a third rate family growing in size due to their magical blood. The daughter wanted to make some experiments on him in order to turn him into the perfect weapon, using some "powerful reagents" she got somewhere, and it awoke his sleeping dragon blood.
After a few struggles to control his new powers, he realizes he is a danger to the woman he has at his side, and feeling he would fail to protect her requests to work for the Father who raised him, an old Italian Covert-Ops leader, and starts to work the dirty deeds of both the Mafia and the Church.
Not long, he discovers a plot to remove the Montegraccio family to the last man, and decides to take matters into his own hands, working in the shadows to find contacts, money and experience; so he can be ready when the shadows come knocking to his door.

>>52040576
See, that's wonderful, but what i have is

>i must kill everyone affiliated with Humanis without exception
>also Lofwyr is my big pal because drachenschatten

>>52040600
>also Lofwyr is my big pal because drachenschatten
No.
Lofwyr does not have friends.
Lofwyr has people on his shit list that he will ruin their lives to the point they will kill themselves, people he killed, and pawns. If you are a drake, the last option is for NPCs only.
I blame Dragonfall's ending.

>>52040636
In hindsight i probably should've denied the entire option, but i was younger and more gullible back then

I suppose the crusader guy could be in contact with a "Lofwyr" and have a rude awakening if he thinks he is anything more than just a pawn

Live an learn, i guess

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>>52040534
Approximately two-tenths of nothing. Organ-legging is only expensive now because of the lack of available goods. With Type-O organs, a lot of that economic pressure for the people that have the money to arrange these things now disappears. The only people left that need the services of an organ-legger are SINless, who are mostly broke.

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Any favorite Metavariants any of you chummers are running? Do you use them for the stats or just for flavor? What are they like?

What is the difference between an augment that injects drugs into your blood stream internally, an augment that is external but fused to your body that injects drugs, a drone riding your back and injecting drugs, and an IV machine?

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>>52031417
Who's your fixer?

The Sommelier? Or maybe just Barkeep.

>>52040773
>With Type-O organs, a lot of that economic pressure for the people that have the money to arrange these things now disappears.
Actually, setting info is very confused on the subject. Vice 144 onwards is good for early 2070s info on organ legging, though.

>Of course, that’s not to say that the market is dead, it’s just a bit depressed. Type O isn’t always available—the corps probably under produce to keep prices from plummeting and it’s not biologically or economically wise to keep a large stock on hand. Those who have quality medical care aren’t hesitant to live a lifestyle that can destroy their organs—after all, they expect to get something back for their health care costs. Not everyone has good health care, and some of the people who have it don’t want it known that they’ve had to replace an organ.

Organlegging is still good for small time money, like a day job - it's often not dealing with people who have access to medcorps like DocWagon, but backstreet chopdocs who can't afford expensive and corp-controlled cloning tech, organlegging rings who muscle dying patients into taking hefty loans for pre-owned organs, etc. The shady stuff.

The cloning tech bit I got from 5e, though I can't quite find it right now.

>>52040845
Two they can take away from your, one they have to cut out of you and might not find if they aren't looking for it.

>>52039338
There's a drone controler thing, I forget what it's called. Use it to make some drones suicide bomb the wall.

>>52040636
There's also Johnny Spinrad, who has graduated to a special part of the list due the Lofwyr trying to kill him for decades and failing.

>>52041435
The question of whether the failure is genuine or whether Lofwyr somehow enjoys Johnny's attempts at getting back at him and doesn't want the fun to end remains open.

>>52022347
People all have cool street names and stuff. Mines are all crap.

Hrm. Anyone got an opinion on how spirit fettering would stack with the Spirit Whisperer quality?

>SPIRIT WHISPERER
>COST: 8 KARMA
>There is something about you that makes some spirits want to avoid you—while others seem oddly drawn to you. Spirits add 1 die when resisting Summoning Tests from characters with this quality. However, if the character succeeds in the test, the spirit summoned is always at 1 point of Force stronger than chosen. For all purposes, the character is considered to have summoned the spirit at the declared Force—it simply shows up at 1 point of Force higher than expected. Summoned spirits behave rather curiously toward the character, asking questions about the character’s past, though no amount of mastery can compel them to reveal why they are so curious and why they show up stronger than summoned (the gamemaster should play up this mystery; it could even be the basis of an eventual campaign)
---
>To fetter a spirit, a conjurer must perform a Binding ritual (see p. 300–301, SR5). In addition to the normal expenditure of reagents and time, the magician must give the spirit Force x 3 Karma and 1 point of his Magic attribute. In return, the spirit gains the Banishing Resistance power (p. 194). If the spirit breaks free (see Losing an Ally, p. 202), or is banished, destroyed, or voluntarily released, the conjurer regains his 1 point of Magic. On the other hand, if a magician with a fettered spirit loses the last point of his Magic attribute for any reason, the fettered spirit automatically departs and takes the last of the magician’s talent with it; the magician is then considered burned out and does not regain the 1 point of Magic the spirit borrowed.

>>52042005
Exactly like it appears.

>>52042005
>For all purposes, the character is considered to have summoned the spirit at the declared Force

I'd say it counts for fettering as well. Spirit liek weird meatbag, yo!

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>>52042020
>>52042036
Thing is, the mechanics of binding and fettering don't care what rating you summoned it the spirit at, they care about the actual force of the spirit. My reading says that that limit only really applies to the maximum force limit and the kind of drain you're facing.

>>52042054
Spirit Whisperer makes it a F+1 F spirit, so it's treated as F+1 for everything.

>>52042054
Would there be any way to give AIs a place in Chummer where their Foundation Attributes are listed?

It's basically:
Body=Firewall
Agility=Sleaze
Reaction=Data Processing
Strength=Attack
With a few of their qualities and whatnot giving bonuses to them.

>>52038450
kek

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>>52040862
Why can I never find the magic slut bar?

Ok guys, I need your lore opinions on something i’m trying to make in my campaign.
A girl got cyber-implemented as fuck because of some dark corporate secret experiment (how unusual i know) but something went wrong ’cause a bunch of shadow runners rekt the shit out of the complex during the final phase and the girls is now an empty shell connected to a bunch of cables. Her essence is obviously gone but my scenario take place 10 years after those events and I want my players to visit this place an settle a very creepy, dark lab ambiance
And I’m thinking about about the fact that other experiments could have totally gone crazy and of course attack the chummers.
What I REALLY want to do is that theses crazy robot are corrupted by the essence of the girl and therefore act as different faces of here psyche, as a remnant of here, like they where corrupted by her essence or something like that. Is there a lore-friendly way to do it ?

Say I want to make a mage who is terminally flamboyant with his "ULTIMATE UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC POWERS".

How do I avoid him getting geeked? Note, he is not going to be exactly smart enough to do anything incredibly tricky.

>>52043423
Background count causing weird spirit/haunting shenanigans type shit? Yeah, fairly normal.

>>52043530
>How do I avoid him getting geeked?
You make a new character and keep the mage as far away from any game as possible

>>52043563
okay, so I'm just going to run with him PROBABLY going to die then.
I wonder if I can use "will inevitably get geeked for being a mage and wearing a pointy hat with stars on it" as a terminal disease for the points.

>>52043530
Grab a possession tradition, shove spirits inside yourself, laugh as bullets bounce off your face
Later on grab that metamagic that lets you cast spells and stuff while posessed

I played a good bit of Deus Ex HR lately. Can you tell?
Cyberlimb harvesters. How common are they? Sometimes the guards are more valuable than the paydata itself.

Thinking of playing a cybered-up Chinese ex-harvester who got duped into a run on a [asian gangster king]. Has horrifically strong cyberware as a result but half of the asian underground wants it sawed off.

The real problem with decking/technomancers: The GM wants to avoid a TPK so he'll always undervalue enemies in IRL fights. Yet he has no problem throwing you against a R5 - military grade - host with a jacked in Spider just to shut down three cameras in a warehouse.

Elderly Elven Shadowrunner who was a criminal way back in the early 2000s, retired for a number of years doing jobs running his own little fixer bar, and eventually decided that he's on his way out anyway, and that it's time for a few last runs in the twilight of his life. For old times sake, and because he's not satisfied with nobody remembering him anymore.

Y/N

Is this too dumb of an idea?

>>52044174
Elves don't get old until they are like 400 plus years old, so he can't be in his twilight years. He can be jaded and tired of the runners world though.

I am so, so fucking mad at Personafixes right now. My hat of SR know no limit.

Uuuuuugh.

I'm basically pinging back and forth between Sim Dreams and Nightmares and the back of Twilight Horizon trying to figure out the details on these things because they don't make any goddamn sense.

SD&N first off seems to imply that Personasoft is the term, while PersonaFIX specifically refers to Personasofts that have Know/Active/Lingua softs loaded in with them, and sets prices for Personasofts in unlimited duration and timer-locked versions, as well as 'Cracked Personafixes', while not providing any suggestions for how much Skillsoft should be in a particular personafix. It also is where it says you can either black out for the duration of the personasoft and remember nothing, or have perception turned on and just observe as the personafix reacts to things, unable to interfere.

TH contradicts SD&N and the corebook by saying Personafixes are not BTL grade, but more on the level of over-the-counter moodchips, says that there are three grades of Personafix, the basic grade 'angel/devil on your shoulder' that advises and informs your choices but doesn't keep you from acting, Advanced Personafixes that are the kind where you can zonk out and are forced to act in-character without any say in the matter, and Extreme Personafixes which are the ones that have Skillsofts coded into them. EXCEPT SD&N says that most Personasofts come packaged with the Knowsoft and Linguasofts needed for the personality, so that sort of implies that the xTreme versions are for people who have skillwires and want to run activesofts too.

And then the sample Twilight Horizon 'softs are just... incomprehensible in their pricing. Two of the sample Xtreme P-fixes have a 600% discount on activesofts attached to them for no real reason.

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>>52044913
chummer, let me remind you of a quote a few threads back

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>>52043530
this >>52043750

Psionic tradition from Shadow Spells is both the tradition for enormous douchebags with less self-awareness than a cardboard cutout of a Kardashian, and a possession tradition.

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>>52044127
Getting the scale right on decking is hard because you don't get a lot of practise to test out variables and the decker is always alone, so one bad roll bones them. Personally, I always go under than over, because it's better if the decker blows through security, feeling badass and getting the Matrix shit wrapped up fast, than the opposite.

>>52044913
>My hat of SR know no limit

Unfortunately, your mental limit looks like it's about 3.

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>>52045045

>>52045045
Man, it's been a while since I saw "My hat of d02 know no limit" or some variation on it.

>>52045032
>You have a 12 DV on your data spike!
>Your enemy blocks it
>Take 12DV!
:^) - CGL
Biggest issue, IMHO. Matrix combat almost encourages you to have a lower DV because it's less risky to you.

>>52045157
Honestly, if you're going up against something that can get 12 net hits over your die pool, you shouldn't be taking it on.

Of course, if it was just bad luck, hopefully you still have some edge for a re-roll to lower that down some.

>>52045321
I think he meant that he attacked with a 12 DV data spike. The attack was blocked and thus he had to deal with the reflected Attack

>>52045377
[He'srightyouknow.jpg]

>>52045377
Yeah, but the damage on a failed attack action is based on the net hits the defender got, not the damage you were going to do. (See p. 231.)

So to take 12 DV from a failed Data Spike action, they had to beat your roll by 12 hits more than what you rolled.

>>52045453
Now I get to inform my DM that he read the matrix rules wrong. Thanks, anon.

>>52045693
NP. Just remember, the only time that a bigger rating (on your end) is bad for you is if you think you're going to need to scrub a Resonance signature.

Then it's worse, but on the plus side Resonance signatures aren't nearly as obvious as a Magic one.

>>52044243
Spike Babies are a thing.

Is Cool Resolve as broken as it looks?

Because it looks pretty fucking broken.

>>52046474
No. It's expensive for what it does compared to a rank of Authoritative Tone and Kinesics.

>>52046586
It's +1 to ALL your social skills, and it's not capped at +3 though.

>>52046642
Yes, at a cost of 1PP per rank. That adds the fuck up.

>>52046642
Think about it like this. That price brings it almost in line with Improved Reflexes, which is about as strong a power as you can pay for.

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New thread on the way.

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>>52048330