The Future of of 40k

>>52006528
Age of Emperor begins this Summer!

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Will Guilliman remain the only loyalist primarch, or will GW decide to print money by bringing the rest back one by one? On one hand, Ultramarines are daddy's favorite. On the other, cash. Does the power of Spiritual Liege trump that of shekels?

>>52007193
Doesn't stop the rest of daemon primarchs from finally getting up off their asses.

Wait, holy shit has GW been advancing the plot?!

>>52007223
Loyalist SM sell more.

>>52007257
At a pace never seen before in the past 20 years.

It's pretty interesting. I'm looking forward to some of the new books covering these new events.

>>52007193
What if a Primarch came back as a Blackshield?

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>>52006528
>We saw a Primarch rise again
Wait, what?

>>52007330
>>52007257

Have you been living under a rock?

>>52007330
Gulliman can walk and talk once again, Anon.

>>52007355

Grad school, so yeah basically

>>52007330
Guilliman is back in action.

Also, Magnus finally got off his feathery ass.

>>52007355
>>52007399
>>52007460
I haven't played since 4th ed, and stopped following the happenings (there were none) a few years later, because everyone was stomping around the last year before the millenium turned for a decade or so.

>>52007571
Cadia fell, Biel-Tan fractured, and primarchs loyal and daemon are starting to stomp around again.

>>52007592
Is this fluff written in the latest main rule book, or is it divied up over the respective codexeseses?

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Magnus

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>>52007625
Guilliman

And in supplements, not full codexes. Gotta get dem shekels.

>>52007625
Go to the general and read War Zone Fenris and the Gathering Storm books. That's the big stuff.

You can also read Shield of Ba'al and War Zone Damocles if you care about the Blood Angels or the Tau.

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>>52007330
He hates it.

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reminder that Guilliman is a fucking BEAST

TRAITORS GET FUCKED

For all of you who haven't heard yet check pic related

>>52007691
I guess Roboute "SJW" Guilliman didn't get the memo that the 41st millennium is dark and brutal.

>>52007698
The only thing that can beat a Primarch in battle is another Primarch.
with Angron, not even a Warhound could stop him. though it heavily damaged Logar with plasma

>>52007691
Don't worry, he'll get over it. GW won't let their cash cow stay down for long.

>>52007730
Unless your name is Luther. Or a tide of Khorne Berserkers (suck it Rogal).

>>52007730
>>52007781
Or you're Kaldor Driago. In that case you might as well allow your heart to be tattooed and save yourself the trouble

>>52007730
Unless your name is Luther. Or an endless tide of Khorne Berserkers (suck it Rogal)

>>52007730

Lots of things have beaten Primarchs. A tac squad once kicked the shit out of Guilliman. Then there was that time Vulkan was beaten by a super Warboss. Or the time Angry Ron was beaten by a GK Captain. Recently, Magnus was sent packing by Grimnar and his axe. And of course, Draigo smacking around Mortarion and his honour guard.

>>52007730
Or an Alpha Legion (Suck it Roboute, oh wait..)

>>52007730
Or if you are Konrad Kurze and a Dark Angel pokes you with a sword like a sneaky git.

>>52006993
I can't wait to get back into 40k. As a Tyranids and Orkz player I gave up long ago.

There's just no competing against endless releases of inexplicably fancy speshul marines and Tau/Eldar anime fuel

>>52008308

To be honest while there is nothing suggesting that Orks and Tyranids won't get new stuff, at the same time there isn't anything suggesting they will. Even if they do end up getting new things, Imperials, Chaos, and possibly Eldar if they decide to expand on the Ynnari could end up getting new stuff or resculpts first.

Would probably be better to hope that the base 8th Edition ruleset is kinder to Orks and Tyranids.

>>52007257
>>52007320
Anyone wish 40k mentioned alternative timelines to explain this new fluff contrasting with older accounts so the plot advancers and the grognards can make peace?

Hell we already have time travel and different dimensions as canon in 40k, why not formalize it with some time warp cannons that teleport targets to different time streams, but in pieces so it kills the target horrifically.

Or have stasis bombs and weaponry malfunction and occasionally erase or modify their target's matter and even history. Just go crazy with it.

>>52006528
Wait, which Craftworld blew up? Damnit, I knew becoming a hermit wasn't a good idea.

>>52010031
that basically goes full marvel/ dc comics. You cant make everyone happy, and the thing about many grognards is this: they dont buy new stuff, because they like old stuff, because its in the name. "old soldier" old ways ,olde models, etc.

If GW is to survive the transition into the modern era they are going to need to shake off some of the rust that has gathered on their IP since the 90s. A lot of their fanbase demands progress, demands a shred of hope in the grim darkness, not star trek, but "hey we have an impossible battle to fight." not "we must fight but none of it matters at all."

Nihilism is not cool anymore.

>>52010088
Biel-Tan was damaged but slowly restoring.

>>52007667
Just read the Gathering Storm books.

Not a lot actually happens in the Warzone Fenris books.

>Wulfen returned
>"Wolftime is upon us. Where is Russ?"
>Magnus attacks the Fenris system and gets his ass kicked
>Mortarian got a planet in the system exterminatised by Actaeon and then Logan tho
>This pottery of Prospero allows Magnus to bring the Planet of the Sorcerers into real space

>>52010128
Damnit. Why does GW hate Eldar?

>>52010188
They are in good shape, eldar brought Ynnead and Guilliman, made friends with Imperium and have hope of killing Slaanesh.

I can't wait for this to go the way of Fantasy and become absolute shit.

Oh wait, it's already doing that.

They can't bring every Primarch back if they brought Sanguines back somehow it would cause Blood Angels heads to explode.

>>52010307
Sanguinor is ripe for the narrative

>>52010326
If at one point in the oncoming shitstorm in the 40k universe the sanguinor reveals himself to have been sanguinus all along I will lose my shit

>>52010453
It would be lame if Sanguinius shriveled to size of normal marine.

>>52010453
He always was - his entry is opposite sanguinary guard for a reason
Basically azkaelon was the last of the original guard and let himself merge with the ghost of sanguinius

>>52010294

Fantasyfags wish they had got this result. The setting didn't go anywhere and the only character off the top of my head that died is Kell.

>>52007193
I hope not and that the other Primarchs will appear for both Imperium and Chaos.

In the Imperium's case, if Corax, Dorn, Vulkan, Russ and Jagathai come back, then Guilliman will have it easier to slap competence into the Imperials as he wouldn't need to be constantly in battle.

On the other hand, the Daemon Primarchs would screw up a lot of vital battlefields if they get to be deployed. They already teased Fulgrim as the next Daemon Primarch to be released.

>>52007691
Rowboat will slap someones shit. REALLY HARD.

>>52010514
Russ is probably a literal wolf by now

>>52010529
As in like a Fenrisian Wolf?

Nah, hoping the he'll be a Wulfen Primarch, yet in this case more of a man-wolf to the Wulfen's wolf-men.

I'm unironically excited for age of the emperor. The rules need to be radically streamlined.

Only 100 dollars each for a primarch model

>>52010573
Try 1000

>>52010573

This would be slightly humorous if even the most expensive Primarchs from FW weren't around $80 and for $90 GW is giving you Guilliman and two other SM sized characters.

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>>52010294
You lucky bastards, its impossible for 40k to became as shitty as new Fantasy. Nothing can be worse than the revolution that we had.

>whats next

Well a few more primarchs will be released and then primach tier units for all factions to balance this out and make more money. You know it to be true.

Necrons will probably get the Void Dragon or restore a C'Tan fully

Eldar have Ynnead

Dark Eldar have Jaghtai or more seriously something mega powerful from commoragh

Ghazzakul will become as powerful as the beast (who is the strongest ork cannonically)

Tyrannids main fleet will arrive bringing with it some super hive mimd tyrant death monster

Etc etc

>>52010748
>Dark Eldar have Jaghtai
Citation needed

>>52007691

KUYASHI

>>52010748
>Ghazzakul will become as powerful as the beast
Wasnt the beast several orks or something like that?

>>52007698
So despite specifically having rules that allow the Gemini to come back to like, they are completely dead in the fluff?

Two, completely new and original characters and two thirds of all new SoB releases in fourteen years, is dead already.

What the fuck?

>>52012980

Well, she might not have had time to rez them yet rather than 'perma-dead' as she's exhausted and injured herself.

Still, it's worrying.

>>52010125
>>52010031
It's not like having an in-universe explanation isn't going to stop the bitching (because it's not truly about the contradiction, it's the fact that they changed things), and once you bring that shit in into it you've officially lost all stakes or weight since there's nothing you can do that can't be easily undone. How many months was Superman "dead" for again?

Which craftworld was destroyed?

>>52011861
In the end of the Beheading book, Eldrad already began having visions about an ork calling himself "I am Slaughter" again in orky is Mag Uruk Thraka who may win where the Beasts failed. It's funny that it was Eldrad who manipulated events who led to Ghazzy rise to power.

>>52013151
First it was fractured, not destroyed. Second it was Biel-Tan, turns out most craftworlds are actually Space Hulks unied by the Infinite Circuits, and after the Ynnari mess, Biel-Tan now a big ass fleet instead of a craftworld.

>>52013241
Thank you for the information, I am not up to date with all info in 40k so I was curious on this

>>52007691
I'm actually kinda hoping that m42 is going to start with an Imperial civil war.

>>52006528
Wait they reached Terra?

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>>52007698
OTP
T
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>>52010469
"I didn't die, I just deflated a bit."
-Sanginius, The Bloodening book 2: Wings of Blood

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>>52006528
Soon

>>52014939
Why this anon posting blank pictures?
Man, such silly anons.

>>52014939
>>52014957
Blank? No no no noooo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6q8nBZKYo

>>52014983
DAMN IT MALAL GET BACK INTO RETCON HELL

>>52010223
>They are in good shape
>the only relevant faction now Ynnari
>they are nothing but sidekicks for U!tramarines

>>52010509
>The setting didn't go anywhere
Yep, but it's totally changing

>>52010514
>Corax, Dorn, Vulkan, Russ and Jagathai
>relevant

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>>52015058
>Craftworlders souls are protected from Slaanesh
>Dark eldar are no longer required to be addicted sadists
>implying being protected by noblest and least grimderp chapter is bad thing

>>52014939
>>52014957
>>52014983
>>52015036
Who knows? They got retconned back as a background abhuman species in 6th ED, so...WHO KNOWS?

>>52015177
At least they would boost morale and etc.

>>52015204
>being deus ex machina for smurfs are good thing

>>52015231
They've always been abhuman like Ratlings and Ogryn, just confirmed as being Still Alive back then. And I'm still waiting on them catgirls they mentioned.

>>52015231
>At least they would boost morale
Nope that's Guilliman job

>>52007730
Kor Phaeron stabbed Girlyman in the throat, he only failed to kill him because he wanted to try and turn him to Chaos instead.

And got his heart torn out because Guilliman's super-autism protects him from Chaos passion.

>>52007720

/pol/ really wants to go with this retard and autistic excuse that Girlyman is SJW

and that 40k should stay on this grimderp state until GW goes bankrupt and disney or hasbro buys it

>>52015367
>until GW goes bankrupt and disney or hasbro buys it
Sorry shill, but we care about 40k, not about GW, so "but they should be more progressive" not an argument

>>52015290
>Felinids.

They could at least make a sketch of them and other abhumans.

>>52015296
>Corax
Would go on a guerilla spree with his sons and teach this and that to various stealth-based IG regiments like the Tanith 1st and Only.

>Dorn
Would go and fortify positions in preparations for Abby's arrival.

>Vulkan
Would boost the morale of the armies of the Imperium with the power of friendship.

>Russ
Wreaking shit as always.

>Jaghatai
Would take control of some of the Imperial Navy battlefleets and then go on a hit and run campaign against Abby in order to slow the 13th Black Crusade so that Dorn would have more time fortifying positions.

>>52015404
>>Corax
>Would go on a guerilla spree with his sons and teach this and that to various stealth-based IG regiments like the Tanith 1st and Only.
>>Dorn
>Would go and fortify positions in preparations for Abby's arrival.
>>Vulkan
>Would boost the morale of the armies of the Imperium with the power of friendship.
>>Russ
>Wreaking shit as always.
>>Jaghatai
>Would take control of some of the Imperial Navy battlefleets and then go on a hit and run campaign against Abby in order to slow the 13th Black Crusade so that Dorn would have more time fortifying positions.
But why, if Guilliman will do better.

>>52015402

>care about 40k

>MUH ARMY IS GETTIN SHIT FROM LORE, FUK U GW

ah go fuck yourself

>>52015423
>>MUH ARMY IS GETTIN SHIT FROM LORE, FUK U GW
Yeah, how dare people love non-ultramarines, how dare they love classical Imperium and setting

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>>52006528
How badly does this affect my chances of getting into 40k in the future? Are there lore changes I just can't avoid, or events that have dramatically changed everything?

This was a hobby I always thought wouldn't go anywhere, and while I'm glad people are hyped, I'm afraid that by the time I'm ready to play all shall be dust, or so completely changed that it wasn't the game that I was first interested in anymore.

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>>52015461

>edgelord DA newfag who forgets that Guilliman was sheduled to return since Day1 of rogue trader

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>>52007691
>Celestine is just a glorified halo bearer

I should have guessed.

>>52015416
Guilliman's job is to focus on reforms and making the Administratum useful for once, as well to prepare the logistic system that would supply very efficiently the Imperial armies when Abby will waltz in.

Fighting should be secondary in Rowboat's case.

If only Lion finally woke up and Sanguinius and Ferrus were still around, then the situation would've been even easier. Only hoping that the Sanguinor will actually be revealed to be Sanguinius being in the body of Azkaellon who is sharing it with the former.

Also Lion would slap the Unforgiven, comment about the Angels of Absolution for actually getting shit done and mobilizing the DA and their successors to join up with the Fallen (if it's confirmed that Cypher wants to redeem the Fallen and fix the Lion's Blade) into one giant Legion and aid in the battle against Abbadon.

>>52015518
That wasn't a thing then they were just stealing random quotes

>>52015496
Don't worry about it. The whining and freakouts you hear are just leftover butthurt from AoS. 40k actually makes money, so it'll be fine. Even if it does get completely ruined, there'll still be an active community of pre-whatever-is-happening-right-now 40k players to join. Because, again, 40k has a playerbase.

>>52015036
Abaddon will ascend and become the new Malal

>>52013241
The core still exists and is slowly reforming the rest of the craftworld

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>>52015627

>>52010730
Age of sigmar is flawed but I enjoy it more then I ever did fantasy

>>52010509
Egil ironwolf
Creed has been effectively retired
One of the old inquisition codex inquisitors
Maybe some major one dies in this one as well - probably agaman since he is messed in the head
Meanwhile not one dead chaos character

>>52015686
>flawed
>bad fluff
>flawed
>bizarre high-fantasy Norse Mythology and He-Man mix
>flawed
>Not!Space Marines
>flawed
>Nu anything
>flawed
>Generic maps and landscape names

SUUUUUUUUUUREEEEEEEEEE...

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>>52015761
I feel really sorry for Agemman. One of the few Ultramarines characters not to get some huge HE IS THE BEST fluff, but seemed solid enough and the fact that he was 1st Company Captain at least said he had skill and experience, and it could be fun to play off the idea of an Ultramarine that was jealous of Sicarius. He had a faint tie to Saul Invictus as his successor, and was working hard to rebuild the First Company. A great character for guys that want a character they can play as more their own.

Now he's heavily implied to have Space Marine PTSD or something, and he's probably going to get wrecked sooner or later.

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So do we know what Cypher/The Fallen is up to? Whats their role in this?

>>52015537
Being a furniture piece that provides a light source for a real army is better than providing paint for a real army.

>>52015987
No wonder, since he had to compete with a whole lot of special snowflakes and now he ended...BADLY.

I want him to get his own novella where he gets over all of this, and for Guilliman's sake he gets his shit together and proceeds to kick ass.

>>52016207
It seems that they are definitively loyalists, and that Cypher probably reforge the Lion's Blade with the help of the Emperor when he finally gets to the Throne Room. If that will happen, then the Fallen will be redeemed and the DA will have to drop the hunts on them.

>>52016530
Having a character get knocked down and actually get back up again would get sweet. Failure is usually total in 40k, so it's not a common narrative.

>>52016555
Yep. Also I prefer him as next in line as Chapter Master of the Ultramarines over Sicarius and his glory-hogging.

Agemman seems to be more down-to-earth when compared to most Ultramarine characters. Him getting over all of this and becoming THE Primarch's Asskicker would also be a good character development. Also with Gorillaman around and probably telling this and that about the Codex and what it really supposed to say would also trigger something in him. In fluff he's a by-the-book commander, but meeting with Guilliman would make him try to overcome this and become an adaptable captain.

>>52016530
Sounds pretty cool to be honest. Would love to see some new books on Dark Angels and the Fallen. One of my favourite aspects of 40k.

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I, for one, am ready for a second Great Crusade. It's going to be a riveting experience!

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>>52016754
I only wish it wasn't all over the Dark Angels lore. You really have to dig to find some battles that didn't involve the Fallen at all sometimes and remind you that it's not all they do. And for most of those, it's just that they're so deeply entrenched in the canon for other reasons they couldn't add a Fallen narrative in, like the Third War for Armageddon or the battle where Ezekiel lost his eye.

>>52016754
Yup. Dark Angels need a little bit more love.

>>52016822
Indeed. The Sons of The Lion also did their share of achievements where the fallen were not involved.

Yet you know what I would like? That even despite the Fallen's Redemption, the DA and their successors would still try and still make them repent, only to see the number of battles where the Fallen were and were not involved in their records and realize even more so how much they screwed up with the whole thing instead of focusing more on their job of defending the Imperium.

I'd like that kind of character development, but it shouldn't be instant and done much better than what I wrote. At least the Angels of Absolution minimized the whole hunts for the Fallen and focused more on getting shit done.

>>52016207
Cypher agrees to help Guilliman if he gets him to Terra. Rumours then split on whether he wants to kill the Emperor or Abaddon

>>52018573
Both

>>52013139
>>52010125
Well that already takes place though with all the different 40k mediums such as the books or video game and plot holes galore out there. Like how many times has Eldrad died and come back now?

What I'm saying is for 40k just to put in some form of ambiguity and grim dark references to an imperfect narrator that could use these time shenanigans as a "window" to different times.

Also I would counter that "moving" on is noticably worse because ultimately that creates retcons that accomplish most of the same arguments and such.

I like the progress personally and anything that would grow the setting such as fluff seeds so I am not a nihilist fag at all, but I understand that other fan perspectives could be partially pandered too.

If anything alternate timelines and shit could give GW more reasons to implement cool models and concepts that would not normally fit snuggly with 40k right now. And even though you brought up marvel/dc comics, I would like to remind you they make SHITLOADS of money, which is why they bother having all those parallel versions of heroes in the first place.

>>52015367
this guy gets it. 40k is losing GW so much money and the only cure is to lighten up the mood. give the world some true heroes, just like Overwatch. make the imperium stand for love, tolerance and open-mindedness and maybe 40k will stand a chance at competing with age of sigmar.

>>52007643
>>52007193
People implying GW are greedy for trying to make money off their products.

That's what companies are FOR! To make money! They sell tiny plastic soldier for fucks sake!
Why would you expect artistic integrity from the producers of male power fantasy cliche #1?

One could argue that for example Nirvana sold out, and that it was a bad thing that contradicted their edgelord tier lyrics, but saying that GW is selling out for trying to make money off their fucking IP is just dumb.

>>52007720

I know you're being sarcastic, but there are genuinely people who think the concept of Guilliman preferring 'reason and hope' as a societal foundation is an attempt to force 'SJW' ideas into 40K.

>>52019883
6/10 made me reply

40k is garbage for anyone that isn't elder, tau or spess maroons atleast it was when I stopped playing it 5 years ago.

AoS was the best thing ever, it killed off all the grognards and refined te rules to better reflect what the game is. 40k needs something similar, kill off all the Waac faggots and delete the current smegma fest ruleset. 3rip wfb, the setting will be missed but it was purged so we could rid the hobby of fag lords.

>>52020133
When they try and make you buy six $50 hardback supplements just to run a single army effectively it's hard to call it anything else.

>>52019749
>If anything alternate timelines and shit could give GW more reasons to implement cool models and concepts that would not normally fit snuggly with 40k right now. And even though you brought up marvel/dc comics, I would like to remind you they make SHITLOADS of money, which is why they bother having all those parallel versions of heroes in the first place.
As much as I think that would be the best for us, let's not forget that while capeshit makes money, the lore is borderline impenetrable beyond a surface level to people trying to get into it. 40k is bad enough in that regard as is. It really doesn't need to be worse.

>>52020273
It kind of is though.

They were already militaristic af in 30k, they hated and feared xenos, mutants, and anyone who didn't buy everything the Emperor told them to do.
Other than "muh religion", there isn't anything the Imperium is doing that was different than what the Emperor ordered, and in regards to that, it definitely takes hope on the part of the citizenry to believe in it.

But if we look at this with deeper meanings, Guilliman always had pretensions that his corner of the Imperium was better than everyone else's, even the Emperor's. It wouldn't be out of character for him to overplay his rhetoric in order to aggrandise himself and get people to obey him.

Why are there so many sjw trolls attacking the
Primarch release with fake troll bait. Are they triggered people will think hes like Trump?

>>52020419
Don't buy that shit! Simple as that

>>52020509
I don't think it's the xenophobia or Chaos hate Guilliman objects to, but the brutal oppression and merciless exploitation of the average human citizen. The corruption and fruitily, the pointless waste of entire planets and billions of human lives. The inefficiency and squalor of it all.

Guilliman is there to make the Imperium great again, not to write space tumblr articles about the inherent microaggression of thin SoB armor.

>>52015404
Omegon needs to come back too. He'd finally have a real purpose, unlike during the Crusades where they were just ramping up the stakes to look impressive.

>>52020509
From what we know the book ends with Guilliman calling Great Crusade 2: Electric Boogaloo. Rah rah kill the aliens, purge the heretics, claim the galaxy for man. Do what they've been doing, but more effectively and with less insane leadership.

This SJW-Guilliman meme is just some anons being paranoid.

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>>52021121
>Rah rah kill the aliens
Except eldar, they also shared webway with Roboute as i predicted.

>>52021168
>Thinking any alliance in the grim darkness of the far future
>Thinking GW won't have every faction battle every other faction, including itself

Anon.

>>52020509

But, like, if that's 'it kind of is though', what does the SJW acronym even mean anymore? When you read the first few Horus Heresy novels their whole thing was that they were a society of hope and reason. Scholarman (forget the name) and Garviel have a whole running theme throughout the books discussing philosophy, and the ides that their violence is justified by their ideals, etc. Isn't the whole irony of 40K being such an oppressive shithole when they set out to make a utopia, like, part of the tragedy backing the narrative?

Isn't Guilliman waking up and saying 'Wow jesus christ you guys you took our dream and made a nightmare' just the natural result of a Heresy-era idealist waking up in future-dystopia?

Did we expect him to wake up and think 'Holy shit this is awesome, why didn't I think of a helltopian torturescape for Sucundus?'

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>>52015231
>At least they would boost morale and etc.
:^)

>>52020785
>loyalist Alpha Legion
Fuck yes

>>52021240
>Age of Guilliman
>grim darkness of the far future
>>52020343
>40k is garbage for anyone that isn't elder, tau or spess maroons
SO just like in AoS?

>>52020515
>with fake troll bait.
>Rabbi Goldman says that IoM shouldn't be so xenophobix and religious
>everyone supports him by default

>>52012980
They die in every battle. You have to be dead to be rezzed

>>52019749
Once
They retconned eye of terror the same way they retconned storm of chaos
The difference is storm of chaos had some post storm fiction - that novel about wood elves and knights
The eye of terror was only referenced in Cain and then loosely or in that adb wolf story which arguably could have been set during the retreats to the final kasr
Heck they pretty much rewrote eye as soon as they created newcrons since no more ctan jackal God shit

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>In early M42, the Kriegers, for once, dig too deep
>digging their trenches in one of the oldest nuclear bomb craters on their planet, their entrenching tools unearth the rusted and rotten remains of the utterly ancient, 30k year old colonization vessel that, long ago, brought them and their kin to this world and one day crashed onto the planet
>a few files are found and coveted... by nobody but the Adeptus Mechanicus, as Kriegers have no value for cultural studies of the ancient times
>the ancient files detail a new type of warfare command pioneered by the armies of Jermani, the Whyrmackt and the Bondeswhyr

"Auftragstaktik", read the files. A concept of command that invovled the brain power of every single soldier. That held as its basic foundation of (in detail) telling every soldier what the goal, the mission was, and what the general idea of how the commander wanted to have it achieved was.

And then- just letting the subordinate officers, the NCOs, and even the individual men in the field go ahead and do whatever they thought would make the most sense to get that shit done.

Up to and including telling certain orders to go fuck themselves when it becomes clear to the subordinate down in the field that they are at best impractical or at worst directly counter to the intent of the commander and getting the mission done.

The Warhammer universe would never be the same, as Krieg moved up from WW1 tactics- to WW2. And as, somewhere in the deep, twisted passages of their brains, that spark of individualism was fanned into a steady flame, and the legacy of men like Rommel reanimated itself in their hearts.

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As has not Sebastian Thor himself said:
"If I have deviated from the Path of Obedience, then only to walk the most holy path of all, the Path of the Emperor himself. For is it not written in the Book of the Astronomican: 'A true servant follows his Lord by following his heart, not his mind.'"

>>52015402
>he honestly thinks fucking D*sney would not make it a thousand times more progressive than it is now

I guess you must have been sleeping when they raped Marvel and Star Wars.

>>52010514
Don't forget The Lion...

>>52025599
>implying Disney will buy GW.

>and Star Wars.
By turning Empire into cool space Nazi?

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>someone with experience living in a much better version of the 40k universe says that the 40k universe sucks some mad balls, which it objectively does
>"wow ur such a SJW"
I think the grognards here forgot that the living situation and the operating parameters of 40k IS OBJECTIVELY ASS and that it could be MUCH BETTER but everyone is actively being kept dumb by dogma and if you try to get smart you get executed. Which is the reason that everything is shit, because operating on no innovation for millennia at a time is sure to get even the Orks on outteching you.

>>52010170
>Magnus attacks the Fenris system and gets his ass kicked
Fenris can no longer sustain a chapter with the few gene modded mortals alive. And as wulfes can not recruit from regular mortals since a long while, they are doomed on the long run.
And Magnus got the Planet for the Sorcs out of the warp.
So Magnus did not win tactically, but strategically he did.

>>52024361
>falling for false-flagging bait made by a butthurt fantasy fan

>>52025841
>guys it's a bait
>nothing happens here it's just average tuesday in 40k
>u a whfbfag
Nice arguments

>>52025909
But it is bait. Who the fuck is proud to be an AoSfag on /tg/ and then get told to eat shit by fantasy grognards?

>>52026024
>But it is bait.
Where exactly?

>>52025648
First Order was gay and the Empire have always been space Nazies

>>52026099
>40k is shit
>AoS is the best thing ever
>calling fantasy fans grognards

>>52026110
>>40k is shit
>>AoS is the best thing ever
Where I said anything like this?

>>52026124
I was referring to the other guy. >>52020343

But oh well, seeing your original reply shows another grognard.

>>52015987
>Now he's heavily implied to have Space Marine PTSD or something
Just makes him more likable a character. Marneus and Agemman are true bros, too. They just want to do their jobs while tigirius and sicarius squabble about succession bullshit and PROVING MUHSELF.

>>52026167
>shows another grognard
How exactly I am grognard by mentioning that AoS had the same balance problem as he said about 40k?

>>52021346
Corax's OK. Pragmatic, but not an asshole.

>>52025611
Already mentioned him there: >>52015548

>>52016822
This, I'm fucking sick of the Fallen. They are a cool idea but thanks to HH traitors are no longer anything special and each book is about Dark Angles digging themselves deeper into shame by fucking over their allies with the payoff always being Fallen or Cypher. Fuck, I want them to go on some sort of a quest, like Ezekiel gets a vision of Lion's return and it's tied to some lake so all of the Chapters go on a quest around the galaxy to find it. You know, like Arthurian mythos, knights on a quest and shit.

>>52026964
>They are a cool idea but thanks to HH traitors are no longer anything special and each book is about Dark Angles digging themselves deeper into shame by fucking over their allies with the payoff always being Fallen or Cypher.
Relax they will join to CSM soon.
>and it's tied to some lake so all of the Chapters go on a quest around the galaxy to find it
>Lion sleeping on the Rock
kek

>>52027066
>and it's tied to some lake so all of the Chapters go on a quest around the galaxy to find it
>Lion sleeping on the Rock
Yup, and once one of the Chapters report back to the Rock with a goblet of the water taken from the lake (make it related to Caliban somehow, like it's on another asteroid like the Rock, lost in space after the scattering), wondering what to do next, the Watchers open a hidden door and BAM! They all see the Lion asleep, waiting for the miracle water to wake him up - his body might be healed but the mind and soul is clouded, unable to wake up on it's own. And with a sip of the mysterious water he finally opens his eyes.

>>52006528
>My heart goes Thump Thump
>Bullets go dakka dakka

>>52027450
It would be interesting, but you knew that it's not going to happen

>>52027638
Sh-shut up, GW will notice my superior canon idea one day !

>>52021278
Not that anon but Gilligan seems annoyingly black pilled in that quote. What's the point of reviving him if he's just going to act like a whiny bitch about it?

>>52025790
Nowhere is it said Fenris can't support a Chapter anymore, that's an outright lie.

Magnus lost, as usual, and ran like a bitch.

>>52027758
Nope anon, the time of non-Ultramarines important chapters is over.

>>52027912
Welcome to the non-Space Marine club non-Ultramarines, don't worry you'll get used to serving just as bodies or sidekicks soon enough

So a guy who got the book says there are two more primarchs (other than Maggy and Robot) appearing.

He leaked the fallen being BB with both Imperium and CSM so he's trustworthy.

So who are they?

>>52028388
Any deamon primarch, i bet on Fulgrim since he will be so pissed about Guilliman returning and being BFF with eldar.

>>52027794
He'll get over it. We know for a fact he calls for another Great Crusade at book's end. It's called undergoing an internal struggle.

Fuck, the opening page previewed has Celestine saying that you shouldn't even feel like you're doing Xenos and heretics a mercy by killing them. That purging them with fire is a blessing in and of itself. 40k is not going noblebright.

>>52015537
She looks cute putting up that halo though.

>>52028660
>Great Crusade
Against Chaos, just like realmgates wars

>>52028660
That must be...awkward with Yvrainne and the Vizarch standing right next to her and being the only reason she isn't dead...and Celestine glaring daggers at Greyfax when the latter was rude to the Eldar.

>>52029941
Because the were helping them not get overrun and slaughtered by the Black Legion. Priorities.

>>52030151
Why scold Greyfax for insulting them? Celestine goes out of her way to treat them politely and cordieally instead of accepting their offer whilst spitting at them. Unnecessary and very unholy of a Saint of the god Emperor to be so cordial with filthy aliens.

>>52030234
Use the xenos to get the Primarch back, to soak up Chaos bullets, then slaughter them when the time is right.

Do you even realpolitik?

>>52030560
Celestine is a fucking Saint and she's failing her duty HARD right now. If she were a true Saint she'd kill the Aeldari the moment Roboute is back, which we know she doesn't cause Yvrainne's and the rest still alive and with them,

Celestine is a fucking heretic.

>>52030873
Why are you so eager to waste the lives of the Emperor's servants when you can get foul xenos to die in the fight against the Dark Gods instead? We don't work for Khorne here - what is wrong with using them as meat shields until we can stabilize the situation? I don't know if you noticed but right now it's not these guys rampaging through the galaxy and burning the Emperor's sacred worlds. If they're willing to fight and die to help prevent that they should be allowed to do so until we can properly murder them later.

>>52031202
The time to 'murder them' is as soon as possible as any servant of the god emperor knows. Your desire to spare them any longer than necessary is heretical

>>52031246
No, we murder them when it is not actively detrimental to the Imperium's interests to do so. What do you think we keep jokaero around for?

>>52025447
...
...
... fuck, that's good

>>52031246
I agree, the human-eldar alliance is the only major glaring issue in all of this.This is seriously heretical

>>52031246
>>52031397
>>52031609
>Not allying with the best waifus
>Not taking advantage of their god of death/whatever
>Not taking advantage of the webway for profit and troop deployment
>Not creating the next super race to rule the galaxy
Fags, all of you.

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>>52031609
Its only going to roots of RT and 2nd edition.

>>52031960
Seconded.

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>>52031960

>>52010748
RIP 40k

>>52031609

Human and elf alliances aren't a new concept

suffer not the alien to live should mean chaos and imperium work together (and cypher is missing link)

>mfw I still think 50k would be the better direction

You'd get the initial shake up of familiar Imperial and alien and chaos forces getting seperate and actually in-conflict additions.

Then when you get into the New era you get yet more cool stuff

Only problem is

>Bye Bye Tyranids
>New Devourer is the very definition of OP
>All the Eldar an hero'd except Biel-Tan
>Fucking Biel-Tan
>Necrons uhhhhhhhhhhhh

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>>52031960

>>52031549
Yeah thanks, I thought hard about it!

>>52010748
Why would the Necrons restore a C'Tan? The C'Tan are supposed to be kept in shards only

>>52031960
>>Not allying with the best waifus
There is no Overwatch humans in Warhammer.
>>Not taking advantage of their god of death/whatever
>>Not taking advantage of the webway for profit and troop deployment
>>Not creating the next super race to rule the galaxy
Kys, we doesn't need Ultracast

>>52020273
It's usually the same people who insist the Imperium, called literally the worst regime imaginable by the impartial voice of the opening text to 40K, are the good guys who have done no wrong and are only awful because the galaxy is awful.

The point of the Imperium is that it has done more than its fair share to shit up the galaxy.

>>52035123
Hi comrade

>>52021278
>Isn't the whole irony of 40K being such an oppressive shithole when they set out to make a utopia, like, part of the tragedy backing the narrative?

Yes.

Imperiumfags and disguised /pol/fags don't understand this, though, because it suggests that the tenets the Imperium is founded on - xenophobia, absolutism, centricism, etc, tend to create terrible societies. And that triggers them hard.

>>52035170
>Imperiumfags
Look who is talking, Ultramarines sidekick

>>52015953
>implying early fantasy was anything but

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>"A dark new age called from amidst the fires of endless war, and the Imperium would answer."

Final fluff quote of the book.

Grimdark status: still grimdark

>>52035190
By Imperiumfags I mean people who genuinely believe the Imperium is 'good' as an institution and have put far to much of their identity into who they support in this game about space knights and space demons.

I don't want the setting to become noblebright, at best it would be cool if M42 saw Robot Gullymane's efforts spark a civil war that makes things even more complicated. But I can understand what 40K is about and how Guilliman's reaction works. He thought he was setting out to make a realm of reason and hope, that all the violence and killing was justified by the exciting ideas and rhetoric of the time... and then he wakes up in the middle of what those ideas actually create: a horrific nightmare where the vast majority of humans live in abject squalor, oligarchy and corruption are way of things, and the galaxy is more perilous and war-torn than ever. He believed in a dream and woke up to the reality.

>>52034423
Literal gods are manifesting in the galaxy now that Abaddon broke the only things keeping the Warp away from the galaxy.

Having a restored C'tan would help the Necrons greatly the problem is how to convince it to forget what the Necrons did to it and fight for them.

>>52035265
>He thought he was setting out to make a realm of reason and hope
He did, though.

The defining trait of ultramar is that it's not a shithole.

>>52027897
The mutagenic curse that Magnus left in the people's of Fenris is a time bomb waiting to explode. Every recruit now is a possible disaster.

>>52035341
It's still part of the Imperium and its laws. It's marginally less a shithole than the rest of the Imperium but still a shithole nonetheless.

>>52035341
It's LESS of a shithole.

>>52035385
>It's still part of the Imperium and its laws.
No it isn't, it's under the jurisdiction of the ultramarines and their successors. Space marine worlds are independent of the greater imperium because of their responsibilities to the chapters.

>>52035238
With how Yvraine is present at Guilliman's fucking coronation, I can't help but see her repeating this while winking and giggling with Yvraine. Meanwhile, Yvraine chortles haughtily and repeats some Biel-Tan shit about humans being mongrels, while nudging Celestine conspiratorially.

By the end of the ceremony they're both red faced from holding back the laughter.

>>52035238
>>"A dark new age called from amidst the fires of endless war, and the Imperium would answer."
>Grimdark status: still grimdark
Where?
>>52035265
>I don't want the setting to become noblebright,
>Ultramarinesfan
Pick one

>>52010125
When your only strength is your setting, fundamentally changing your setting is literally the worst thing you can do.

>>52035477
Last page of Rise of the Primarch. Things are still shit, and there is only war. They just have a somewhat competent leader as opposed to the prior senile lunatics.

>>52035561
>Things are still shit, and there is only war.
Yeah Alliance vs Burning Legion. So grimdark.

>>52010555
The rules will never be good as long as GW is still focused on releasing big models that do not belong outside epic scale.

>>52035476
Sweet Emperor not killing a powerful enemy of the Dark Gods on sight while Chaos is rampaging through the Imperium does not mean they're besties now. The IoM and Eldar have teamed up to fight Chaos on many occasions in the fluff, it doesn't mean they won't go back to fighting.

>>52035596
games workshop has been having space men and space elves team up and fight evil for longer than warcraft has existed as a setting

>>52012980
Thank Matt Ward. He came back to kill off more sisters AND add more spiritual liege wank.

>>52035596
I like how the Imperium occasionally wheel and deal as needs must now means they're all xeno-loving heretics. For crying out loud the Fallen formation in the book is battle brother with both the Imperium and Chaos Space Marines, are they now all one big happy family?

>>52035477
I don't recall saying I was an Ultramarines fan. That's just a retarded strawman you've toted out to cover up your absolute lack of a coherent argument.

>>52035629
But they never forged the Alliance.

>>52035476
This is basically what will kill the setting.

But I couldn't avoid chuckling.

>>52028660

Celestine doesn't actually say that at the time, it's an excerpt from something she said or wrote in the past.

>>52035170

To be fair, the Imperium's xenophobia is justified. However there is a difference between distrusting xenos and knowing to pick your battles and deciding to start another war when you're already over your head because you feel spiritually compelled to.

>>52021168
I just wanna see what they say to each other.

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>>52020343

>>52025739
But all of those were issues that existed back in 30k, the adeptus mechanicus predates the imperium of man by a fair margin and they fucking hate people learning things and improving the world.

>>52035123
>>52035170
>it's the imperium's fault that the setting's such a shithole
But that's just fucking wrong, have you never read any of the background material? It was even worse before the imperium took over and most of the horrendous things they do is in response to horrendous things that would exist regardless of whether or not there was an imperium (psykers, chaos, tyranids, etc.). Stop projecting real world politics onto a setting that is so completely and utterly disconnected from reality it's just embarrassing.

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>>52019883
3/10.

>>52020419
unless you start adding a bunch of allies no army is going to need more than 2 books.

>>52040100

I've gotten the impression that while the Mechanicum wasn't willing to share their information, they weren't as ignorant either and were more willing to innovate and create. However a lot of those people threw their lot in with Horus and went on to create the Dark Mechanicum.

>>52040100
>they fucking hate people learning things and improving the world.
that's never really been a thing.
they hate other people learning. All the knowledge is theirs and only theirs.

>>52040168

It's entirely the Imperium's fault when it has planets who for hundreds to thousands of years have been operating in or worse than Industrial Revolution like conditions.

>>52020785
He dead nigga

>>52040451
that's not their fault.

that's part of the grimdark, this is the best that can be done.
The universe is just a shitty place and you have to choose between survival and staying "good", you can't do both.

>>52031397
No only heretical radical Inquisitors use filthy Xenos-apes, good servants of the Imperium attack them on sight as the Deathwatch did, if you don't comprehend this then your a heretic.

Stop trying to justify not genociding all the Eldar on sight, you make me sick.

>>52040931
The imperium is a place where billions toil in order to provide a life of luxury for a select few. It's hardly 'the best that can be done'.

>>52040931
The Imperium is not as good as it can be, that monstrously misses the point of the Imperium's own problems which are consistently highlighted in the fluff.

There is a fine line between arguing the Imperium is not pure evil and white washing it to an unrealistic degree.

>>52035196
At least it didn't start in SUCH a retarded way.

>>52007193
Expect to see primarchs released for Dark Angels, Space Wolves and probably Blood Angels with some kind of evolution of the Sanguinor as their books come out next year.

>>52040451
They are kept that way because it makes the people tougher so better space marine recruits

>>52041164
>The imperium is a place where billions toil in order to provide a life of luxury for a select few.
Tbh it's almost like you don't know shit about the setting.
The IoM is a place where TRILLIONS work every day for the benefit of everyone.
The nobility of the imperium maintain their life styles for a fraction of a percentage of what their single planet produces.
The governor of an agri-world may live in a fucking straw shack while the governor of a hive city will live in a mansion.
And the governors live these elevated lifestyles to make up for what they actually do, which is hold sole responsibility for whatever their world produces for the empire as a whole and if they don't keep everything at an acceptable standard they get a bullet through the head for treason.
The government of the imperium as a whole is a fucking meritocracy lead by a council of individuals who spent centuries working themselves up the ranks in their various sectors to eventually take charge of them.
The entire structure of the imperium is focused on one singular goal "Support the war effort"

>>52041830
t. mon-keigh

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>>52010748
you forgot imperial fist sending 500 marines to the eye of terror to attack Medrengard.

im suprised nobody mentions about this

>>52041830
This is a joke right?

>>52032038

If 40k setting reverts it back to 2nd ED

i'll personally travel to england to buy a truck full of 8th ed codex and a smurf army for myself

>>52007691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPeGyKNBa0M

>>52043337
It's not entirely untrue, though, the idea that the Imperium is retarded and led solely by retards doing retarded things has never been anything short of a meme. It's by no means the best that could come of the scenario, but the universe itself is terrible enough that trying to impose any sort of change for the better might have quite drastic negative consequences for the war effort.

The Imperium is about wilful ignorance and stubbornness in order to preserve its own stability, something it has done against every kind of opposing effort, whether more advanced, more powerful or just better, for 10,000 years, it's not just for the sake of being grimderp.

>>52039968
>o be fair, the Imperium's xenophobia is justified.

It really isn't. They come across loads of aliens that aren't hostile at all. There are quite a few minor xenos that are only hostile to the Imperium because the Imperium's first contact with them was exterminatus. Tarellians, for example, had peaceful trade with loads other species, and hate mankind solely because they burned their homeworld. Same goes for the Demiurg and Nicassar, who allied with the Imperium's enemies for one reason and one reason alone - the Imperium attacked them.

During the Great Crusade they ran into aliens that had put themselves in danger to save human refugees - multiple times. They killed them anyway.

What you mean to say is there is a REASON for the Imperium's xenophobia. But it is not a good reason, because it clearly doesn't apply in many cases.

>>52040931
>that's part of the grimdark, this is the best that can be done.

DAoT mankind maintained a utopian lifestyle for the majority of humanity for longer than the Imperium has existed. Literally the only thing they did wrong was not understanding psyker stuff, because it appeared at random without any warning.

So your assertion is 100% incorrect.

>>52043725
At best those stories are the 1 in 1000 times that the aliens weren't trying to murder them. That's why they get a story written about them, because they're the exception to the rule.

Every other time they've found an alien race, they've been incredibly anti-human. Just look at the current lineup of races that form the major factions of the galaxy: Necrons think of humans as ants to step on, Eldar think of humans as pawns to die for them, Tau think humans should conform to their beliefs and be another brick in the wall, Tyranids think humans are delicious, Orks think 'umies are puny and only occasionally worth the fight that they give.

If you take it as a cross section of the universe, which it is, then the comparatively small amount of friendly races are - The Jokaero? Who usually don't want to be there? A tiny, insignificant race that happens to do something convenient.

Meanwhile the 99.5% of the rest of the time, meeting an alien means humans are probably going to die.

>>52043754
>DAoT mankind maintained a utopian lifestyle for the majority of humanity for longer than the Imperium has existed.

Yes, with their better technology, lack of lost knowledge, lack of Chaos trying to corrupt them all the time, lack of Xenos beyond Orkz hammering down on them, lack of the Immaterium fucking up communications and travel royally, lack of broken down infrastructure networks that are easier to sub-optimally maintain rather than replace.

Your example is reductionist and doesn't take any circumstance into account.

>>52044033
>Yes, with their better technology

Do you know why the Imperium hasn't regained any of this? Because it has turned technology into mysticism and refuses to learn new things.

>lack of lost knowledge

See above.

>lack of Chaos trying to corrupt them all the time

True, but this is just one thing. Having measures to deal with Chaos does not mean having to turn your society into an insane, inefficient nightmare. Which is what the Imperium explicitly is.

>lack of Xenos beyond Orkz hammering down on them

Have you ever considered why this might be? Has it ever dawned on you that it was because humans weren't constantly picking fights in those days?

>lack of the Immaterium fucking up communications and travel royally

Wrong, the Immaterium was just as turbulent back then. Only during the Age of Strife was it completely fucking impossible to navigate. All that cleared up with the birth of Slaanesh.

>lack of broken down infrastructure networks that are easier to sub-optimally maintain rather than replace

Consider: the easier option is not always the best option, especially in the long term.

Also consider: the Imperium isn't even using this infrastructure properly, because its insane mysticism and the bureaucratic mess it generates prevents anyone from doing so.

Golden Age humanity exists in the fluff as a reminder that better things are possible, that falling prey complacency, xenophobia, and superstition have put the mankind where it currently is.

>>52043903
>At best those stories are the 1 in 1000 times that the aliens weren't trying to murder them.

Dude, there are tons of races that interact with each other amicably in 40K. They all hate humans because humans are a Tyranid tier threat to galactic life from their perspective. There is functionally no difference to your average alien between the Imperium and the 'Nids or Orks.

>Every other time they've found an alien race, they've been incredibly anti-human. Just look at the current lineup of races that form the major factions of the galaxy:

Those are just the big playable races.

>Eldar think of humans as pawns to die for them

Eldar are varied as fuck in how they think. One of the groups of aliens that went out of their way to save humans during the Age of Strife were corsair Eldar. They actually saved them from Dark Eldar.

Xeno states like the Demiurg, Nicassar, Tarellians, those guys that helped the Imperium against the 'Nids and then got killed off by the same admiral they assisted, etc - they exist in the fluff to show that for the most part, mankind creates its own enemies in xenos. Yeah, there are nasty shit like Dark Eldar and those shadow orb things from the Halo Stars, but there are many, many, many aliens that could coexist peacefully, and it's a horrific waste to attack them. The Imperium is literally throwing away the lives of its people for no reason whenever it does this.

>>52043725
How about adopting a position of only killing Xenos which are hostile to you?

You know an easy to practise and practical position which doesn't draw you into needless conflicts against groups and sets every other living species in the Galaxy against you because you have a reputation for exterminating all members of every non-human group you encounter?

>>52025790
Let us not forget, only because Papa Wolf is a Khorne worshiping faggot. Canon

>>52035345
This is a lie. The book says many were lost but that the planet eventually purified itself and that there is still a population.

Sorry Magnus just lost. Again. As usual.

>>52044254
>those minor races make up a significant amount of the galaxy

Most of them had 1-3 planets in a tiny section of the galaxy. That's like saying we should be crying about policies that hurt people the relative population of Greenland; Yeah, it sucks that potential allies got killed, but that's a hilariously low amount of xenos compared to how many the Imperium has to deal with.

The playable factions are playable because they're the most plentiful and the most powerful. And the Tau have barely stuck their head out of a remarkably small section of the map, making them only barely relevant enough.

It's worth remembering that the Imperium deals with things on a galactic scale; They have a horrendously massive empire to take care of, and most of the people making the decision are months away from travel to the places in danger. If a small planet somewhere reports they had peaceful trade with an alien species, what the fuck are they going to remember - Are they going to remember the one time they barely got fucked and it ended poorly anyways because of someone's incompetence, or are they going to remember the ten million accounts of Orks making the warpath through ten billion innocent lives?

>>52044838
Who cares?

Just adopt a sensible policy. Don't attack Xenos on sight but if they threaten you. Its simple. Look at the Tau, they've managed to survive and begin to flourish without exterminating every alien species on sight.

Its really not tough, it'd save the Imperium wasted resources and win potential allies.

At this point, to the majority of the galaxy, the Imperium are exactly like the Orks and Tyranid, a galactic threat attempting to extinguish all other life in the galaxy.

>>52044930
>Look at the Tau, they've managed to survive and begin to flourish without exterminating every alien species on sight.
Ok so it's confirmed that you don't know anything about the Tau.

>>52044945
Know its confirmed you don't, I suppose, since we're just throwing platitudes.

The Tau have 'not' killed on sight Hrenians, Nicassar, Demiurg, Kroot and a host of others and have not died as a result of it.

>>52035238
Now the crowning scene is confirmed to be on Macragge, not Terra. The Eldar fuck off after the battle of Ultramar, saying basically that they're going to fight Chaos and Guilliman decides not to kill them immediately. No filthy xeno sets foot on Holy Terra.

>>52044945
Ok so it's confirmed that you don't know anything about the fluff.

Tau have done extremely well by not being genocidal assholes. They're still not 'good guys', but they've shown that there's no real point in trying to exterminate everyone.

>>52044971
The cannon outcome for any race the tau encounters is either full extermination or joining the tau and becoming a chemical castrated slave race, the kroot are pretty much the only exception to that rule.

>>52045040
This is bullshit.

The Nagi aren't a chemically castrated slave race, the Demiurg aren't a chemically castrated slave race, the Nicassar aren't a chemically castrated slave race, the humans of Cytheria and Taros aren't chemically castrated slave races.

This is so hilariously inaccurate I don't even know what you've been reading.

Regardless, none of this changes, Tau do not exterminate all other lifeforms on sight and they have not died as a result of that yet.

>>52044838
>That's like saying we should be crying about policies that hurt people the relative population of Greenland

Sorry, but trillions of lives is still trillions of lives, no matter how few that is to the Imperium.

>They have a horrendously massive empire to take care of, and most of the people making the decision are months away from travel to the places in danger.

This doesn't mean they can't make rational decisions.

>If a small planet somewhere reports they had peaceful trade with an alien species, what the fuck are they going to remember - Are they going to remember the one time they barely got fucked and it ended poorly anyways because of someone's incompetence, or are they going to remember the ten million accounts of Orks making the warpath through ten billion innocent lives?

So basically, you're saying the Imperium constantly makes poor, often outright evil decisions out sheer of cognitive bias? Cool, I'm glad we agree.

>>52045040
>a chemical castrated slave race,

Nope, the Tau don't sterilize the races under them. Also Kroot, vespids, and old ally races are afforded the same rights as the Tau civs. Some humans were even given suits and allowed to lead th Tau.

>>52045040
>The cannon outcome for any race the tau encounters is either full extermination or joining the tau and becoming a chemical castrated slave race

Not true and you know it, bruh. Don't pretend DoW Tau fluff has ever been supported by GW.

>>52044838
>orks are hostile
>so everyone else is hostile!

Are you seriously holding this up as an example of the Imperium being rational and good?

>>52027628
TL note: boruta means bolter

>>52045040
>cannon

Anti-personnel or anti-armor?

>>52045106
>Tau don't sterilize
>Some humans were even given suits and allowed to lead the Tau

Water Caste propaganda is strong.

>>52007193
>or will GW decide to print money by bringing the rest back one by one?
Probably this, but spread out over time to maximize shekels gained.

I'll be very excited to find out what the fuck Russ has been doing for 10k fucking years if it was so low key apparently as to not even get rumors back to his sons.

Can a lorefag explain how Guilliman is now around?

>>52045800
More like lore. Source is the Damocles Anthology.

>>52007193
I feel like loyalist players would feel pretty snubbed if only Rowboat came back, if only because it would marginalize their chapters. As a Chaos player I'm hopeful we'll get at least Angron, Mortarian, and Fulgrim in order to have all the gods represented.

So... Have they addressed the fact that Guilliman explicitly knows the Imperial Cult is complete and utter bullshit because the Emperor himself forced him to nuke Lorgar's shit back in the day? Because Celestine constantly praising the Emperor around him seems like it'd bring up the fact that the Emperor hated worship at some point. I mean, the fact you have possibly the greatest hero ever walking around while simultaneously being a massive giga-heretic seems like it could be used to tell an interesting story.

I mean, what the fuck are the Ecclesiarchy going to do? Declare the greatest primarch ever traitor, or let him walk around and explain how their entire religion is a lie? Space Marines are already hard enough to handle, imagine the power balance shifting going on with Guilliman back.

Then again, knowing the quality of GW writing, he probably just kills a bunch of Chaos dudes and his reappearance has no political or religious implications.

>>52046247
I'm sure experiencing the heresy and fighting actual daemons as well as seeing Celestine's power might have changed his perception of things a bit since Monarchia.

>>52046574
Probably. But not even addressing it seems weird. I mean, at least have a conversation where he comes over to another point of view. Not to mention that despite him creating the Codex, the very fact he's around is kind of unbalancing seeing as how a vast majority of Chapters are Ultramarine successors and they're likely to do whatever he does. And given his position among the Primarchs and the fact he's the only Loyalist Primarch around, even a lot of the other Chapters and probably a lot of non-marines will tag along. Whether he wants it or not.

It just seems like wasted opportunities to just have him kill Traitors and not even address the fact he's a giant vortex of fuckery for pretty much everyone in power in the entire Imperium.

>>52007691
Gulliman is gonna become a chaos primarch only to get shit stomped by Calgar.

>>52014911
Sanginius' greatest battle wasn't with Horus, but with the gains goblin.

>>52010748
How the fuck will GW pull off the 'nid main fleet?

how/why the fuck are black templars cooperating with eldar

>>52050372
They've failed defending Cadia, their probably last survivor of defense went on suicidal duel with Skarbrand, they are just like Dorn.

>>52035318
A single C'tan would never fight for the Necrons. It would likely fuck off and wake up any remaining C'tan and return to truly wreck shit on unimaginable scale.

>>52050372
Celestine, whom they are as the embodiment of the Emperor's will at this point, tells them to, the Imperium's survival is at stake, etc.

>>52055032
*Whom they see as the embodiment of the Emperor's will

>>52010748
>Dark Eldar have Jaghtai or more seriously something mega powerful from commoragh


Vect will make a deal with the mandrakes, they dont seem to sweat chaos too much for some reason.

>>52011861
Yes each the leader of the clans that would later be the current ork clans.

>>52045845
The eldar save the magos (Cawl) who's been working on a way to revive him for the past nine thousand years, and help him a little with their voodoo magic. That's why they show up at the end of Fall of Cadia.

They do this because the imperium is the best shot for halting the advance of chaos, but they need a living idol to follow, rather than the (essentially) dead emperor.

>>52008308
>There's just no competing against endless releases of inexplicably fancy speshul marines and Tau/Eldar anime fuel

This.

Made worse by the fact that much of it can mix and match ally together.

>>52046247
He was always more personally tolerant of religion than his dad, was just revived by a literal god, knows other (evil) gods exist, and has living proof in front of his very eyes that papa is now handing out sainthoods for real. Moreover, Guilliman has always been presented as extremely pragmatic and results-oriented. If he realizes that trying to get rid of Emperor worship would cause a massive civil war that would doom humanity, as it obviously would, then he won't try. And that is of course assuming he doesn't eventually become convinced that the Emperor has actually become a god from millennia of trillions-strong populations ardently believing it.

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>>52046247
>"Emps is my dad. He is not a god. Worship Tzeentch now."

Primarchs have a literal heresy rating of 50%. Why couldn't they declare him Horus 2.0 if he started trying stupid bullshit like attempting to undermine one of the last pillars holding humanity together in the hellscape of 40k?

>>52007691
>>52043438
Alternitivley, when Pappa Smurf finally gets to fighting one of the Demon Primarchs as he brings down warpstorms and demons onto the surface of a planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tVTEyuCKn4

>>52008308
This depends on your local Meta, if you're going to the big tournaments sure you're likely going to get crushed by all the other armies fancy toys and rules. Genecult just won a local tournament here though, and against some heavy cheese lists, the new Ynaari took second, and spaess marines took 3rd.

>>52055572
>Genecult just won a local tournament here though, and against some heavy cheese lists

Anon I have some bad news about where Genecult sits on the cheese list totem pole, you may want to sit down for this...

>>52007691
I like this piece. Gulliman, the voice of reason surrounded by the Livign Saint and an inquisitor, the most obvious exanples of the Imperium's apiral into blind faith and paranoia. Being crowned with a halo, another symbol of faith.

And he just sits there, hopelessly looking on, sliding deeper into despair. He is possibly the most powerful living being in the Imperium and still he is unable to stop the madness. Gulliman can only play along, knowing that if he does not play the role on angelic saviour he might well destroy any chance of doing anything positive for humanity.

That's more grimdark than a thousand exterminatus.

>>52010748
Fuck off. Vect is a thousand times more cunning than any primarch could ever hope to be. The best Jaghatai could hope for would be to end up in a haemunculous workshop so they could replicate and improve on what made him special.

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>40k ten years ago
>elegant, with a few sets of distinct armies
>40k now
>LOOK AT ALL THESE IMPERIUM FACTIONS AND GIANT $80 KNIGHTS AND SHIT

Imagine a space marine chapter whose primarch returned, but he is too busy with other chapters to even talk to them.

>>52025447
>the legacy of men like Rommel
You mean the legacy of sending your men to their deaths completely unnecessarily would be somehow new to the Imperium? There's a reason he was known as "The Butcher" among his own staff.

>>52044254
>Xeno states like the Demiurg, Nicassar, Tarellians, those guys that helped the Imperium against the 'Nids and then got killed off by the same admiral they assisted
I thought you were arguing about how the Imperium was always xenophobic? Of course they kill the alien in 40k, they're xenophobic as fuck. They weren't in 30k though, otherwise the Tau wouldn't be around.

>>52056287
You do realize the Great Crusade was made to unite mankind and genocide the alien, right? Because the Imperium is based on xenophobia and exterminating aliens is literally in its foundation.

>>52056350
you must not have read the same books I was reading then
They kill aliens, sure, but they do not mindlessly murder everything not human.

>>52056495
Yes they do. They kill everything nonhuman they come across, even otherwise harmless or seemingly helpful species. Xenophobia is the Imperium.

>>52056529
No they don't. I don't have the book on hand, but in one of the first 3 books in the HH series there's literally a paragraph about how only a minority of the Imperium distrusts the xeno enough to kill on sight. They have, through experience, learnt that the Eldar cannot be trusted to consider the future of man and that the Orks are uncivilized barbarians that cannot be reasoned with, but at the same time they themselves are not unreasonable enough to kill everything non-human as soon as they see it.

>>52056785
Bullshit. Read up on your lore, when the Imperium found the Diasporex, it offered the humans a chance the Imperium. The aliens, who had helped and lived with these humans for generation, were offered nothing but extermination. When the human refused to join, they flipped out and genocided the fuck out of all of them. Iron Hands and Emperor's Children worked together to exterminate them down to the very last. The Laer were destroyed not for being Slaanesh worshipers (IoM didn;t know that was a thing yet) but because they existed and weren't human. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

>>52056871
Yeah that's why the Interex weren't bombed the fuck out of existence and the Lunar Wolves were on their planet peacefully until Erebus fucked it up by stealing their Chaos-infused relic, right? Fuck the fuck off you nigger.

>>52007691
Is he directly referencing the alpha legion's philosophy there?
Like, that's 100% the reason alpha legion turned.
Coincidence, I think not.

>>52057223
>tfw it turns out it's not Guilliman but Omegon playing dead all along

>>52040341
>wat is admech
To legally run the grand convocation detachment you need:
>Astra millitarum
>Skitarii
>Cultmech
>Gathering storm
>Imperial knights
and brb. That's about 250 euro in books alone. No allies.

>>52056181
I wouldn't hold out too much hope to wehraboos listening to this. People tend to have this false notion of the Wehrmacht being some kind of faultless image of perfection, which is why Krieg is such an overwhelmingly popular guard regiment.

>>52056977
He's actually refering to the Diasporex. The Diasporex were a spacebound peaceful coalition of aliens and humans. The Imperium offered the humans the ability to live within the Imperium but intended to wipe out the aliens. The humans refused to forsake their allies and tried to just avoid the Imperium. The Imperium responded by killing them all.

Then, the Interex, are only not killed on sight because Horus disobeys the Emperor's orders. Horus' own men protest and inform him that there are standing orders from the Emperor to eliminate all Xenos on sight, regardless of threat, but it is Horus' personal decision not to do so. Fulgrim encounters the same situation when deciding to negotiate with the Eldar, with his men protesting that it violates the Emperor's standing 'kill on sight' order concerning all Xenos.

>>52056785
That's simply not true. In the HH it is literally stated to be the explicit order of the Emperor that Xenos be killed on sight, hence why Horus and Fulgrim face protests from their men when they do not do so.

Furthermore, as demonstrated in the case of the Diasporex and the Tarellians, the Imperium attacks and wipes out Xenos regardless of whether they are a threat or not.

Of the Primarchs Magnus is the only one who ever expressed a belief in not killing all aliens on sight. All other Primarchs were xenophobes who either happily believed or swallowed the order to wipe out all non-human life on sight.

>>52056287
>Otherwise the Tau wouldn't be around
Wat? How does that make any sense? The Tau survived not due to a lack of Xenophobia but due to a Warp Storm preventing colonists landing. Do you even know lore?

Anyway the Tarellians were virus bombed during the Great Crusade, their homeworld destroyed.

Also do you even know the story of the Diasporex? You don't really seem to know your lore very well.

>>52055669
Haha! Good one, a non-Primarch being as cunning as a Primarch, sure. Vect's gonna get replaced by Kaghatai, he could easily solo Comorragh.

>>52007193
The precedent exists, and they know the models will sell. They'll get around to it.

II and XI when?

>>52025447
I'm down. The Armageddon steel legion already channel blitzkrieg too with their fallschirmjaeger outfits and mechanized style. Krieg und Armageddon channeling bewegungskrieg into the rest of the guard please

>>52049316
Guilliman is going to defect to Tau Empire, taking the role of space Pope Papa smurf.

>>52057283
>there never was any "Robert Guilliman"

>>52055515
>Why couldn't they declare him Horus 2.0 if he started trying stupid bullshit like attempting to undermine one of the last pillars holding humanity together in the hellscape of 40k?

You know every Ultramarine successor and most First Founding chapters would side with him. It'd split the Imperium in half.

Which is why I hope it happens.

>>52007634
Am I the only one to think that base is too damn flat for the model? Pretty underwhelming desu