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>>52000497
Cheating Pic related in and then jokulhaups or apocalypse

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Alright /edhg/

I've decided to make a deck with nothing but beefy, manly men. No homo of course. I've already got my first creature card, pic related. What are some other studly male creatures that I could include?

>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Enchanted Evening + Ajani's Chosen
technically still playing a game from last year as the stack has yet to resolve

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>>52000540

>>52000637
Looks like you need to lay off the white

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>>52000619

>>52000651
Congrats, you ended the game in a draw

>>52000637
dont listen to him
i also play white in every single deck i build
its good

except mono black

>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Buyback+Paradox Engine

Worst Fears/Mindslaver/Sorin Ult with anything that has an opponent of mine making a choice. "I would LOVE to put all the cards from your Fact or Fiction into one pile!" "You're tapping preacher? Here, have my insane voltron commander!" Oh sure there are better things to do with controlled turns, especially Mindslaver going infinite, but abusing the everloving fuck out of effects that would normally invite someone to try to screw me is just so hillariously dirty...

>>52000663
Unless you can drop either offending card at instant speed, then it just loops until you choose to exit.

>>52000599
>no homo of course
Uh huh...Just run gayboys you fairy.

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>>52000599
Hero of Iroas

>>52000599
Not sure about creatures, but you need to run Succumb to Temptation.

Well, unless you plan to run gay couple. Then you can't.

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>>52000599
either art for tormented hero

Sadistic sacrament also kinda fits

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>>52000599

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>>52000599
Phalanx Leader. This is lookng like a Weenie Heroic themed deck

>>52000799
>succumb to temptation

oh I remember this when it got spoiled.

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Wort in the 99 in tokensandramp.dec with like 15-20 useful spells to copy, y/n?

>>52000916
Why not commander?

You've included Plow Under, right?

>>52000599
Bruse Tarl or Zurgo for commander.

>>52000932
>>52000599
Bruse Tarl & Ravos my man. Sure, the latter is a bit of a twink but it allows you access to Mardu

>>52000599
You'll need access to both red and white for Gideon and Koth, as well as Iroas, Purphoros and Heliod.

Just look through Theros spoilers in general, you'll find plenty.

>>52000950
We can allow twinks. This is a celebration of male vitality.

>>52000916
Depends on what spells you're copying. If it's mostly draw and removal with your ramp being mostly artifacts, the 6 mana is going to be a bit steep. If you're ramping with spells, it's ridiculous. You could try Mirari as well.

>>52000926
Because while I like the concept in theory, I'm certain that I'll hate playing it because it'll just be durdling for 5-8 turns followed by a 30 minute turn to find out if I'm able to storm off or not. In the 99 she'd just be doubling my ramp, removal, card draw and the occasional Second Harvest.

No, why would I run that instead of red LD if I want to be a cunt?

>>52000988
>limber, well-balanced and taut with muscle
>not male vitality

Look, he's a spirit, he can't help the sparkles. He can beat the shit out of people with that cane tho

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>>52000599
Pic related as commander and throw Kresh in there.

>>52001028
I said I'd allow it!

>>52001028
>CAN allow twinks

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>>52000599

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6 months after building my 5 color basic land deck, this is still my favorite card in said deck.

>>52001005
Denying an opponent their next four draws as well as taking out their resources is much, much more evil. Now imagine reverberating it

>>52001050
>>52001055
Oh my b

don't even swing this way, the concept's just funny and these kinds of decks usually find spicy tech

What planeswalkers? FUCKING INVINCIBLE and Koth are obvious, but what about the less combative colors? Does blue have anything to offer?

>>52001097
This is my guilty pleasure in my Gay Greeks deck

>>52000727
It's a do not a may so no you can't. You do technically need a third piece for the combo if enchanted evening was out first, but that can be any permanent. Same goes for spore mound + life and limb, put a land or saproling onto the battlefield and you need to remove one or the other or you never stop getting sproling forests.

>>52000599
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=0&output=spoiler&method=visual&action=advanced&color=+!%5bG%5d+!%5bU%5d+!%5bC%5d&type=+%5b%22Creature%22%5d&subtype=+%5b%22Human%22%5d

It's only 13 pages, and when you're only looking at the art, should go like a breeze.

>>52001114
Garruk, any Garruk.

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>>52000540

>>52001119
>guilty pleasure
dude its straight value, though I have ways of casting it like 4-5 times a game
heh
3 mana target player picks what cards kill him hah

>>52001330
Of course you're supposed to recur it. The only unsavory aspect of it is you having a wank session in front of your opponents when you cast it, eternal witness it, then Feldon the Witness it all in the same go

>>52001365
that sounds like a good time to me

>>52000497
Bearer of heavens + sac outlet

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Thoughts on pic related in general and it in OG Omnath specifically? It's served me well in the past and I've never been hit by the drawback, but I'm making cuts and I never see any builds that use it. I'm inclined to keep it, but I'd like a second opinion.

>>52001657
I would run primal command over it. 1 more mana and sorcery, but way more versatile.

If you are running original omnath, wouldnt genesis wave, chord calling, green sun zenith be better picks?

You have the mana to burn.

>>52000916
No

Run her as commander

Use Valakut package as your prime wincon

>>52001712
I've got GSZ and Genwave, yeah. Chord is on the order list. I DO have a primal command. That could work better, yeah.

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>mfw my group has allowed the use of Primeval Titan
>mfw planning on Titania with Prime Time in the 99

They aren't going to know what hit them.

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>>52001840
>mfw my group has allowede oldrakul
>mfw he's now in command of my Kozilek deck
>mfw next time my playgroup gets together they will know the true meaning of suffering

>>52001840
They deserve everything they have coming to them for that dumbass move. Primetime is crazy strong

>>52001166
What he was saying was if you had a Disenchant in hand you can break the combo yourself.

>>52001893
Yeah, I'm really only doing it to teach them the error of their ways.

>>52001840
>Primeval Titan
I know its banned, but can anyone tell me why? I am fairly new to commander, and I am curious as to what land combo makes him ban worthy.

>painter's servant is still banned.

How can a group of people be as consistently and stubbornly incompetent as the rules committee?

>>52001924
Because it's a value train and as soon as it comes online, the game tends to stop being "Commander" and starts being "Who can reanimate/clone/steal Primeval Titan"

>>52001926
Do you even know why they banned it? It's not something they're likely to change course on.

>>52001924
There is no specific land combo. But primeval Titan was unquestionably the most fun bribery target in the format, generally. So, like sylvan primordial, entire games warped around bribing, cloning, bouncing, blinking, and stealing prime time, because casuals can't into restraint.

>>52001924
"enters the battlefield" effects on creatures are repeatable in many ways
ramping two lands per attack on top of the ETB is great
you can search for non-basic lands

>>52001948
Why'd they ban it? Because of the Iona interaction?

>>52001956
Sylvan also had the extra problem of being a HUGE tempo swing. "Blow up the 3 biggest artifacts/enchantments/planeswalkers on the board, and also I ramp"

>>52001968
Because there were multiple no-fun combos involving it (Grindstone, Teysa, Iona) and it was easier to just ban the common thread among them.

>>52001926
Because it can combine with some basic pieces for stupid shit. Servant + grindstone goes into any deck and becomes an instant kill on any players. More if you can untap grindstone in the same turn. You can also combine it with Iona to effectively make someone unable to play magic.

>>52001948
I know the stated reasons, and the actual reasons.

The stated reasons are retarded, and don't mesh with their attitude on other bans. The actual reasons are that Sheldon lost a few games to it, and the RC is a group of retards incapable of either having a coherent philosophy, or consistently applying whatever philosophy they do have.

>>52001939
>>52001956
how odd, that makes it seem incredibly arbitrary.


>>52001968
grindstone combo no? Two artifacts that will end the game, and can fit literally in any deck. Basically making commander a 98 card format

>>52001985
>The actual reasons are that Sheldon lost a few games to it, and the RC is a group of retards incapable of either having a coherent philosophy, or consistently applying whatever philosophy they do have.
[Citation Needed]

>>52001985
I don't think I'll ever get tired of the "Sheldon bans whatever beats him" meme.

>>52001982
Servant plus grindstone isnt even in the top 100 most degenerate things you can do in vintage. Protip: if your combo loses to anyone who has an oldeldrazi in their deck, your combo sucks.

Iona is the problem with the painter's servant combo, not servant. In any sensible application of the RC ban list, Iona would be banned.

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>>52001926
>tfw it will never be unbanned
>all I want to do is some Jaya Ballard shenanigans

>>52001981
So why do we still have Deadeye Navigator

>>52002037
Because Sheldon has a deadeye navigator.

>>52002037
Because it's not colorless, can be disrupted easier, costs literally three times as much mana, and it's not a unique effect. If you ban Deadeye, those combos still exist, they just use slightly different cards. There's not a ready replacement for Painter's Servant in the same way.

>>52002052
That sounds like an argument for keeping servant in the format for diversity, and banning deadeye for the same.

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>tfw finally got around to building nekusar
>tfw playing commander with my group and resolve windfall 3 times in the same turn
tfw 30 plus damage to each opponent

God nekusar is sexy anybody have any secret tech cards for him?

>Thread topic
What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
I love pia's revolution in my Bosh Iron Golem artifact throwing deck its literally double dipping and i love every minute of it.

>>52002067
>Jamming a two-card instant kill combo into any deck regardless of color is good for variety

>>52002036
Just find a group of players who'll let you play it.

>>52002111
>Still thinking servant/grindstone is good

See >>52002022

>>52002037
Respond to the Soulbond trigger, you fucking gay baby.

>>52002084
Corrupted Conscience and Phyresis

Also Sigil of Sleep, that shit is hilarious

>>52002130
>Literally two cards that are hardly in any decks stop this combo so it's unplayable shit
I'm not saying it's the most busted combo in the universe, I'm saying giving access to a two card "i immediately win this game" combo to literally every deck in the format is not a good idea.

>>52002111
>implying everyone is a tryhard waac
I COULD play Food Chain in my Prossh but that doesn't mean that i SHOULD do it

>>52002130
Not ever deck are running old eldrazi, and even then plenty of decks cant deal with their library in their graveyard.


So I fail to see why commander should now be a 98 card format as painters servant/grindstone are now in every deck

>>52001982
Metalworker + staff of domination goes in every deck too, but that's unbanned now.

>>52002175
So, which is it, fuckmouth? Is the combo utter trash not even worth playing, or does using it render you a "tryhard waac" faggot? It can't be both.

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>>52000599

BIG SWORDS

>>52002159
Then ban Grindstone and Iona - one is only useful for the combo and the other is one of the most fun-police cards in the format besides the combo so it's a win-win. Teysa still has Darkest Hour anyway and tons of tutors for it so she isn't affected much. Meanwhile Painter's Servant was useful for a shitload of interesting interactions and made color-hate something to build around instead of padding for your deck.

>>52002159
>I immediately win the game
>Painter's servant is the easiest type of card to remove in the game, as a 1/3 artifact creature
>Combo can only kill one player per turn, giving everyone else significant time to dig.
>Still can't kill anyone with a blightsteel, darksteel, gaeas blessing, kozilek, or ulamog in their deck. You know, some of the most popular creatures in Timmy: the format.
>Meanwhile any real combo player is killing everyone simultaneously with more efficient, less fragile combos.

You are literally terrible at the game if you think grindstone/servant would be relevant.

>>52002241
So instead of banning one card that turns several otherwise-fair cards into busted ass combos, we ban all the cards it combos with, leaving it nearly worthlessly unplayable anyway.

Wow, you're right! That is way better for variety and format health.

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>>52002238
>and everyone came
this guy really likes war

>>52002111
Because every deck plays every single instant kill combo in its colors right?

Shut the fuck up retard, you don't k ow what you're talking about. If it worked like you say it does, every five color deck would consist of nothing but 2 card combos.

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>>52002208
It's not THE most broken thing in the format but is broken shit nonetheless. In the end don't use it unless you want to pass as the tryhard that shoves all the fucking possible combos and tutors in his commander's color, it's gonna get old really fast.

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>>52002238

>>52002248
For like the fifth fucking time, I'm not saying it's some busted, unfair, broken, OP unbeatable combo

I'm saying I don't like the idea of literally every deck being able to just win out of nowhere. Imagine if every deck had access to Splinter Twin- that it was possible for them to just go "End of turn, this guy, and then on my turn I win", in any colors. Yeah, it can be disrupted with removal or counters. Yeah, it can be disrupted with specific hate cards. Yeah, it can be beaten by tryhard decks like Food Chain Tazri. But that doesn't stop it from being shitty that you would constantly have that axe looming overhead against every single fucking deck.

>>52002299
Every color combo already has "I win" combos. I don't see how a colorless one would be problematic.

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>>52002286

>>52002299
Every color can already win out of nowhere you sweet, ignorant, child.

>>52000497

One of these days I will get off a World Gorger Dragon into Obliterate and it will be glorious.

>>52002249
Iona is only fair if hardcasted which hardly ever happens. We're talking about banning two cards that are insta-win with Painter's servant and useless/frustrating in a bad, fun-killing way to play otherwise.
>leaving it nearly worthlessly unplayable anyway
Yeah except for protection, Jaya, Llawan, 8½, color hate... and that's actually it, and yet it encompasses easily about 50 EDH-viable cards at the very least. Even hardcore jank like Purraj of Urborg would be much less painful to build with a servant available.

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What are some ways to guard against graveyard hate?
I play an artifact deck,and nothing makes me sadder than when it's all exiled from my graveyard.

>>52002341
What's a monored "I win" combo besides a full board and a one-piece 8 mana card in a 99 card deck without a tutor?

>>52002380
If anything, we need more graveyard hate. Preferably at instant speed, or even with split second.

>>52002380
counterspell
stifle
not putting incidental mill in your deck

>>52002380
There's no true way to protect against it since graveyard hate keeps the game functional.
Granting yourself hexproof with Witchbane Orb, Leyline of Sanctity, or Aegis of the Gods will save you from a Bojuka Bog or Tormod's Crypt, though.
Pull From Eternity and Riftsweeper will allow you to reclaim a keystone from exile, too.

>>52002398
keek's the jeek's
zealous conscrips

all sorts of krenko insta wins

theres probably more but i dont play red

>>52002084
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Possibility Storm in Zada, Hedron Grinder.
It's counterspell protection for your general, makes any attempt at sweeping a gamble, and gives you the most insane turns. You can Renegate Tactics, Possibility Storm into Empty The Warrens (PS effectively doubles the storm count), draw a card for each tokens made (plus whatever you already had, minus one.)

Makes assembling your win-cons a lot harder though, since you can't rely on Blazing Shoal or Dualcaster Mage.

>>52002443
>zealous conscrips
Yeah, good luck grabbing that hexproofed voltron general
>keek's the jeek's
>krenko
Perhaps in a Purphoros shell, but otherwise?

>>52002486
>Yeah, good luck grabbing that hexproofed voltron general
Stop posting anytime

>>52002486
>Yeah, good luck grabbing that hexproofed voltron general
What?
You make ZC target Cheeki Breeki and he untaps. Then you make another ZC. And another. And another. And you have arbitrary haste tokens to swing with.
Splinter Twin can replace the Kiki Jiki in a pinch too, making each ZC target the enchanted ZC.

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>>52002286

Was vanishing part of your plan?

How do I get card draw in mono white?

>>52002380
anyone else have "that cunt pays the price" cards?

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>>52002486
>Yeah, good luck grabbing that hexproofed voltron general

>>52002341
How many of those are two-card combos that can theoretically win on turn 3 in every color?

>>52002588
Play mono-black.

>>52002588
Staff of Nin
Mesa Enchantress
Mentor of the Meek
Skullclamp + white's myriad ways of getting 1/1 soldiers out the ass

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>>52002594

>>52002617
Plenty, considering the amount of good colorless ramp that's available.

>>52002519
>>52002533
>>52002613
I thought you were talking about Conscripts as a card in general, not just in Keke

>>52002588
Artifacts, mentor of the meek.

Any of the enchantress style "play an enchantment/aura draw a card"

or recursion with sun titan, emeria Shepard, or emeria land.

>>52002637
Oh?

Name one other two-card, win-on-turn-three-without-ramp combo that fits into every color combination.

>>52002654
>Any of the enchantress style "play an enchantment/aura draw a card"
All one and a half of them?

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>>52002640
How do you get a combo out of a single card though?

>>52002640
And you're retarded.

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>>52002588

>>52002655
First of all, the combo is disruptible as fuck, since painter's servant is incredibly vulnerable. Secondly, it only kills one player each turn.

But saying "no you can't use ramp" is retarded. This is a format where every deck shits out ramp left and right. Excluding it is just arbitrary.

>>52002660
I was also vaguely thinking of puresteel paladin, but i couldn't remember at that moment.

>>52002706
>First of all, the combo is disruptible as fuck, since Painter's Servant is incredibly vulnerable.
Never said it isn't. Also didn't ask for you to submit an undisruptible combo.

>Secondly, it only kills one player each turn.
Fair. Give me another two-card combo that can kill a player on turn 3 without ramp, and can continue killing a player every turn after that without adding other cards.

>But saying "no you can't use ramp" is retarded.
It is when the combo in question can win on turn 3 without ramp.

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>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Mikaeus and Cauldron of Souls.
>drop a Fleshbag/Executioner with or without Grave Pact out and laugh maniacally
>tutor fucking everything with Sidisi
>steal the shit out of some life with Kokusho or Gary
>mfw

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>>52002588
Also cantrips are nice for monowhite, something like pic related is generally more valuable than most Disenchant effects

>>52002736
How is that janky?

>>52002736
That combo does not do what you think it does.

Is there a monoblack general other than Skittles that isn't just gravepact.dec or some infinite reanimator instawin shenanigans?

Anyone got a good Ruhan list? I want to get drunk and make people mad on xmage tonight.

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>>52002398
Aggravated Assault + Whatever creature + Sword of Feast and Famine -- Infinite Combat

>>52002753
Because it takes two specific pieces, plus another thing to sac, and a sac engine on top of that more often than not. All that, and it doesn't even really guarantee a win, just makes it a hell of a lot more likely.

>>52002757
I wasn't trying to imply I thought it went infinite, I just worded that poorly.

>>52002398
>Isochron Scepter
>Imprint Final Fortune
>Sundial of the Infinite

>enjoy infinite turns

>>52002675
I tried this once. It was disenchanted when I went to put the third counter on it.

>>52002654
Already have Mentor and all those, actually.

>>52002633
I'll probably pick up a staff of nin. Local shop might have one floating around in one of their dollar artifact boxes.

>>52002750
Maybe. I could use some more spot removal in my deck, but I don't know what to replace.
I mean, overall I know the deck is pretty meh, but at least half my games I lose because I just sit there drawing my one card per turn and doing nothing interesting.

>>52002855
You have to realize that card draw is monowhite's major weakness.

Unfortunate fact, but fact

>>52002535
I just now realized those guys are Human Warriors

I thought they were gorillas or something

>>52002733
Okay, if my combo can't use ramp, yours can't use lands, deal?

>>52002855
What kind of monowhite you run? Well of whatevers coupled with Alhammaret Archive is another one to consider if you're a lifegain deck.

>>52002666
>tfw haven't ascended to the level of magic knowledge where you can combo with only basic lands

>>52002907
While we're moving the goalposts, why don't we make your combo a 6 card combo in a specific color combination, and mine has to be a 1 card combo that wins on turn 0 in any deck with no mana?

>>52002942
Fine by me friend.

>>52002925
>tfw you can predict the outcome of any game by just staring at your deck for 5 seconds after you've shuffled it

>>52002084
hivemind is lols in nekusar, pretty much any wheel spell becomes lethal. but hivemind also has a habit of backfiring horribly all the time, use with caution.

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>>52002588

>>52001466
Bearer of the heavens + rescue from the underworld and any legal target in your grave.

>>52002588
Run Sram as your commander.

>>52000497
If my opponent is retarded and plays this do i basically lock him out of the game by playing humility+removal?

>>52003406
No

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>TFW group allows un-cards

>>52003454
Why not? Humility removes the ability to allow his stuff to return.

>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Baru grandeur combo!

>>52003506
Damn thats just begging for a neat mod to give it an actual spinner.

>>52003569
Oh wait shit it totally works, I'm an idiot and confused Humility with Stony Silence for God knows what reason

But to be fair, if he's running Worldgorger, he's most likely running the Animate Dead combo as well

>>52002803
Phage, although it's a bit high on the meme scale.
Sidisi is Ad Nauseam instawin shenanigans instead.
You can just play control and use all the mana doublers to Exanguinate the game away after you've sold your soul five times over to draw most of your deck.

>>52002803
Ob Nixilus the Black Oath creatureless control.

>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Dunno if it's jank but Doran+Behind the Scenes makes for a good time

>>52002803
Toshiro umezawa is the most fun I've ever had playing edh.

>>52000497
what are some 'safe' planeswalkers that can make small tokens in green, red, or white? i currently run elspeth, sun's champion but her -3 and ultimate make her an immediate target for everyone

>>52003971
All Elspeth's ults are proper fucking nukes so she'll always be a target. Maybe Sorin Solemn Visitor or Freyalise

>>52003847
Got a list? How does he win?

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What is the best way to win with this beautiful card?

>>52004386
Craterhoof?

>we don't have a legendary bear

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zurgo-tokens-counters/

Any advice or comments? My friends in edh club have suggested I switch some of the counter stuff for more artifacts but idk what to get.

u play heritage druid and then lose

>>52004502
Why no worldslayer?

>>52004559
oh, didn't know about this card.

Replace something like Loxodon with it?

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Out of your arsenal of tech cards, which deliver the most satisfying blow out?

>>52004657
How is this tech? It does two things poorly.

>>52002907
I mean if his combo can use ramp but not lands he wins on turn 1.

Just saying.

Also servant is banned because of too many combos with him, and they did say that they don't like the idea of every deck being able to win early with grindstone+servant specifically.

After they unbanned staff though I did think they didn't give a fuck about combo pieces anymore, but this must be gross when unbanned (or Sheldon is babby)

If you don't like it so much why do you just create your own banlist anon, I'm sure it will catch on if you aren't shit. If it doesn't though then you are shit and you should probably stop posting shitty opinions on the internet. Unless that's what gets you off, not about to try to stand between a man and his nut.

>>52004792
>instant speed exile as many cards as you want from graveyards
>bad

>>52004592
I'd take out one of the curses personally.

>>52004856
>as many cards as you want
Only if you've got the mana for it

>>52004879
>not having at least 2-3 mana open for instants at all times
sorry you suck

>>52002148
>mfw I never realized Sigil of Sleep doesn't specify type of damage
Holy bollocks that's some secret tech eh!

>>52004856
>exile as many cards as you want
Exile as many as you can -pay for-.

>>52004932
>using 3-4 mana on an instant when Tormod's Crypt can do it free
Anon pls

>>52004964
if you can't keep 3 or 4 mana open to exile the couple of cards needed for someone to pull off their infinite graveyard combo that's your problem for being terrible at magic
>>52004971
tormod's crypt can't be played at instant speed

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>>52004983
Tormod's Crypt can be played super early and activated at instant speed though. Also makes the grave memers a little more wary about doing their shenanigans.

If you've got to go for an instant though, I'd say pic related would probably be better.

>>52004592
>>52004870
And if you do go ahead and take out bitterheart witch and throw in martial glory.

>>52004983
So you're permanently 4 turns behind because you have to leave up that mana, instead of just playing an "exile all graveyards" card like Ravenous Trap, or playing proactive things like Tormod's Crypt, and we're the ones who are bad at Magic.

OK.

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>>52000599
Don't forget the manliest dwarf.
Also Ajani I guess is pretty buff (but furry), and Bruse Tarl like people already said

>>52005045
>>52005070
>Tormod's Crypt can be played super early and activated at instant speed though
it's also a destructible artifact just sitting on the field waiting for someone to trash it.

>So you're permanently 4 turns behind because you have to leave up that mana
you honestly have no idea what you're talking about. how bad at this game can you be?

Also ravenous trap is obviously good but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be playing both if you're in a graveyard-combo heavy meta

>>52005112
If I was going a meta of graveyard-combo hate, I'd probably just make anafenza hatebears, instead of relying on a situational card that relies on me having a fuckton of mana.

>>52005193
>3-4 mana
>a fuckton
do you have no ramp at all

>>52005112
If your area is so graveyard-heavy that you have to constantly leave 4 mana open at all fucking times to stop them from comboing off, there are still better hate cards than Suffer the Past. There are cards that hit one target for less mana. There are cards that exile EVERYTHING for less mana. There are proactive things like Rest in Peace/Tormod's Crypt that cost less mana.

But hey, you're clearly the better player here, being 4 turns behind to stop combos as inefficiently as possible.

>>52005203
So you ramp so much that you're constantly 4 mana ahead of everyone else?

If you're having to leave 4 up at all times, that means that if you WOULD have 8 mana, you have 4. You're working with 4 less mana. Your opponents are playing 8 drops, and you're playing 4 drops because you have to leave up your shitty hate spell.

>MM17 Craterhoof is now $15 preorder

Should I wait for it to get lower or jump right in and snag a copy?

>>52005224
>>52005237
>leaving up a sol ring and a signet is tooo hard, i just wanna pway big creatures :(((
that's fine too timmy, just don't pretend you're good at the game

>>52005288
>Should I cast relevant spells with my mana?
>Nah, I'll just drop 4-drops while they play big shit because I need to be ready to use my horribly inefficient disruption
Also, I like how you argue against Tormod's Crypt because it's an easy-to-destroy artifact but you apparently rely entirely on artifact ramp to put you 4 mana ahead of everyone else.

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Have you ever had any fun stories involving people with anime sleeves? Or just weird card sleeves in general.

>>52005317
>having mana open for answers to opponents plays isn't 'relevant'
once again you prove how bad you are
it's alright to admit it, you know

>>52005338
Yeah, guy got asked to leave due to incredibly lewd sleeves, anime girl with very little covering cow tits. It was edh night, and there were kids there

>>52005346
Having mana open to answer your opponents is relevant.

Having huge chunks of your mana open at all fucking times, when there are far cheaper options, is not. This is like arguing to leave 4 mana up for Chill to the Bone instead of running cheaper removal.

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>>52005317
Stop taking the bait this is getting hard to watch.

>>52005420
>four mana
>huge chunk
by the way, it doesn't even have to be four mana, since the card has an x cost
if you're facing someone whos combo can be disrupted with just one piece removed then you don't need to keep four open, and you obviously don't need to keep four open in the first couple of turns where four mana is actually a meaningful amount since they can't pull off their combos yet anyway
but hey, its cool, you've made it quite clear you're a garbage player who has either never faced or never beaten someone who plays heavy combo or control

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>>52005406
I'm wondering more about the psychological effects of having anime tiddies on the sleeves would be towards my opponents.

I'm also disappointed at the complete lack of /m/ related IPs outside of Evangelion, Symphogear, and Cardfight vanguard I guess. I just want some gundams on my sleeves damnit.

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Quick, post your raddest foil

I know you chucklefucks have really cool ones

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>>52005338
I do, and Im proud of it :^)

There was this one random girl in an LGS I played EDH night with, and she kept referring to me as "anime babe man"

After the game she asked me where to get those sleeves, claiming its for her friend. Then she went in horror on seeing some of the loli sleeves on the amiami website.

So I'm thinking of building Riku of Twin Reflections for all of the cloning effects because Biovisionary is hilarious. Anyone have any tips?

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>>52005574
>Loli sleeves exist
>Still no Chicago Bears themed sleeves for my Bear Tribal deck

>>52005247
It's $12 on card kingdom senpai

>>52005659
>bear tribal
Huh, I'm actually curious. You got a list?

>>52005725
Sadly no, I suppose I can put it on Tapped out though. It's pretty shit with Kamahl, fist of Krosa as the commander.

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>>52005659
> Chicago Bears

>>52005627
Your colors get pretty much all of the good clones, cram some of those in and go crazy cloning whatever the hell you want. Clones are crazy fun with Riku

Besides playing more, what's the best way tim improve your play and deck building skills?

>>52005842
to*

>>52005739
I thought about doing a bear tribal once, I just couldn't get a grip on who the hell should be the commander.

I'm thinking maybe a Pauper EDH deck with Bear's Companion or something.

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>>52005659
The majority of animu sleeves are made by one company that has connections with most of the major animu studios, so they pump out a set of sleeves for a bunch of the popular currently airing anime. Stuff that has card sets in Weiss Schwarz usually gets priority, but there's a lot of shows not in WS that have sleeves. It's mostly the moeshit waifu shows from what I see sadly. Tits sell I guess

I'm surprised there's no market for sports sleeves out there considering how popular baseball cards are.

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>>52005574
>"If I put ":^)" at the end of everything, no one will think I'm a disgusting cum-incrused basement-dweller!

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>>52005725
Ok,

list is complete

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bearly-playable-1/

>>52005741
>Packers

>>52005928
If it wasn't obvious enough when I spoilered that sentence, anon.

>>52005545

Too lazy to go fish it out and snap a photo, but I've got a foil Olivia Volderan that I pulled from a prize pack back at the Innistrad prerelease.

Honestly I'm more proud of some of my signed cards than my foils. All Hallow's Eve signed by Chris Rush may not be my most valuable get, but it's definitely my coolest.

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>>52005955
>Not being a Packer Backer

You came to the wrong general senpai

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>>52005659
>>52005741
>>52006064

Sportsball please leave

I need a safe space to get away from the local packers fans, living in WI is misery And just talk about fantasy cardboard

>>52005574
>Youmu Selvala
Damn dude, you were born my nigger.

>>52006163
I find it appropriate to choose the character sleeves for the colors associated with it. I have some Mokou sleeves en route, but Im deciding what colors she would go with. Mardu, perhaps?

>>52005545
Got a foil Elesh Norn and Queen Marchesa but I'm at work.

>>52006201
She's a perfect fit for Archangel Avacyn, indestructible but burns everything around her.

>>52005545
I only have a foil Newlamog.

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>>52005545
This is my raddest Foil. There may be many others like it but this one is mine

>>52005545
Away from home, but sadly nothing very exciting or EDH relevant. Just whatever I happened to pull and not trade away/sell. I don't tend to buy them.
>Eldrazi Displacer
>Ad Nauseam
>Emeria Angel
>Liliana the last hope

I really want to get a bunch of Ravnica MPS promo basics for my Teysa deck, but that money could fund singles for another deck.

>>52006404
gA pls stay

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>>52006161
Someone else living in Wi on 4chan? Never thought I'd see the day.

Building Commander decks on a budget is suffering.

>>52002084
Fellow Neky here.

1. Commander Damage is only combat damage. You gotta do the full 40. :(

2. There's like 18 wheels in magic history? Use about 15.

3. There's a bunch of cards (mostly black) that due the same thing as Nekusar damage wise. Use them.

4. There's a bunch of cards that due the same thing as Nekusar card draw wise. Don't use them. Except maybe Anvil of Bogardan to trigger discard effects.

5. Speaking of Discard: Run Megrim, Liliana's Caress, and Waste Not.

6. Omniscince? Yes. Enter the Infinite? Maybe not, but that's up to you.

7. Propaganda is the literal only card with a Nekusar quote on it. Use it and anything like it. I enjoy No Mercy, Dissipation Field, and Crawlspace.

8. Did you know there are Voltron cards for Nekusar? Stuff like Curiosity and Sigil of Sleep can do some real work. Just to keep your friends from getting too salty, maybe avoid giving him infect.

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>>52002148
tfw I never realized how good that is and I know I have a foil version sitting in my card box somewhere

About half the faggots at my LGS play high-end mono blue bullshit decks. What's the best commander to utilize to fuck them and their 40 counter spells?

>>52006749
Dosan of the Falling Leaf cast using mana from Cavern of Souls

alternatively Seedtime or Eyes of the Wisent if it's as bad as you say

or Ruric Thar and Vexing Shusher

>>52006494
I'm actually not gA

>>52006651
Those are horrible suggestions.

Don't play Megrim, don't play voltron cards. Omniscience is too expensive unless you're cheating it into play. Propaganda effects are meta dependant, if there aren't a lot of wide creature decks it probably isn't worth it. And play Hatred if you want to surprise kill people with your commander.

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Preety new to this whole commander stuff, so sorry if the question's stupid

Why isn't this card regarded more highly? It only a 30 cents rare, but has saved me from knife ears, tokens galore and left me with a preety favourable board state for next turn kills. Am I not seeing the downsides or are there better green board wipes that expand your own board?

>>52006894
It is 8 mana.

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>>52006651

>>52006910
Sorcery speed AND dependent on the board state of your opponents. aka garbage

>>52006894
literally only works in the mirror match against another token deck that somehow flooded the board but didn't win that turn

In my short experience running it it makes like 7 beasts tops and half of them die because most of the creatures in this format are bigger than 4/4

thought about buying the saskia precon as a budget alternative to rakdos and norin. how's the value?

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>>52006796
It's bad. One game they had went on for like five hours because three of the monoblue singleton vintage faggots got into the same pod and they just slapped their dicks together the entire time.

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>>52005545

>>52006893
At least where I am, I play Omniscience regularly. Everyone of my Blue decks has it and I drop it every other game. And then I win.

Megrim is fine. This is commander! Things can be a bit overcosted when the effects are that good.

How does hatred do anything? It give Nekusar a boost to power, but his damage trigger is independent of his power. Are you swinging with him? Why?

I understand not wanting to do the voltron thing. Since Neky gets hated off the field so much, I give him hexproof. Then since he has hexproof, why not make him better? Helm of the Ghastlord on him makes opponents no longer have hands, for instance

>>52006494
He's not me.

I don't use UltraPro

>>52006749
Derevi Stax. Pack Boseju, Cavern, Abolisher.
Run Ice Cave so they know how they make you feel.

>>52002817
>>52002817
>>52002817
pls help I'm already somewhat drunk

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>>52007113

>>52007282
That card is very, very special to me.

>>52007113
Yeah okay you win.

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>>52007294
Because it's $500?

>>52007180
>Derevi Stax
Anon what's the point if I'm not having any fun, either?
Also, I can't afford that shit. I might run Ice Cave in some other decks I have that use blue.

Anyways, another random question: What are some artifact creatures that pack over 20lbs of flavor? I don't mean bullshit like Blightsteel Colossus, but more like... Inkwell Leviathan. Right now my artifact deck does a lot of shit with no real pay off. I want to slip in a good ten to twelve fat ass artifact creatures that won't get me instantly hated out of the game and aren't expensive.

>>52007166
You recommended voltron but don't want Hatred? It literally kills idiots, which if they're letting you hardcast Omniscience they're probability fucking retarded.

That said running a bunch of suboptomal shit to keep Nekusar on board when all it takes is a pair of Greaves and then running more suboptimal shit to let him ki someone in 4-11 turns when all it takes is a wheel is obviously a pretty bad game plan. You could run anyone else in those colors and it would probably perform that task better.

>>52007453
Because of how I got it. I honestly couldn't care less how much it is dollar-wise.

>>52007113
What language even is that? Looks like some scifi moonman shit

>>52007525

New Phyrexian.

>>52007501
Sounds like a story. Do tell.

>>52007525
It's Phyrexian script, my dude

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>>52006749
When your LGS is acting degenerate, it's time to be canon degenerate

>>52007501
What, you're a judge?
Or maybe you were at a tournament when a gunman burst and began to scream demands. People screamed and panicked, no one followed his demands so to make an example he opened fire on a hapless Francis. A judge who'd just gotten his promo took the only action he could: He leapt, holding his card sideways - the bullet was cut in half by the superior foiling, one half burying into the floor but the other lodged itself in the judge's heart. You ran to him as he collapsed; he gripped your arm with one bloody hand and with the other thrust the card into your palm. He tried to speak, but no words came, only a final, pained smile before the light left his eyes.
Is that how you got it?

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>>52000540
Deck operates at face value, all about knowing what removal to use.

Odric is usually what lets the deck win.

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-marchesa-long-may-she-reign-control/

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>>52007113

What a qt

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>>52007559
>Havoc Festival + Wound Reflection

Does anyone have the image of that Mogis stax 8rack deck that's probably a couple dozen cards all in one image surrounding Mogis?

hey guys i recently started putting together a few EDH decks, i dont suppose u guys know a good place to get bulk sleeves? i live in australia and i dont want to get charged out the bum for shipping :)

>>52006590
Yeah, lived in Madison for a few years, farther up north now

>>52006404
Is that single sleeved? ??

>>52007559
I like this. What else is there I can stuff into a Rakdos deck?

>>52005863
I would probably go Yeva because she has a bear in her art and for suddenly bears.

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>>52007760
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-10-16-let-it-burn/

Here's my Rakdos deck using that pic as a basis. The gameplan is basically the opposite of Group Hug, but you want some ways to gain life yourself like Polluted Bonds in there. This deck was birthed from a similar situation where some new guy walked into my LGS with a Yisan the Wanderer deck that shut down everyone the same exact way three times in a row for tutoring for Craterhoof on turn 6 before anyone else had a decent boardstate to do anything to him. Never saw him again, but I can probably understand why he didn't come back

>>52000497
>What's your favorite janky combo/interaction?
Don't know if it counts but I've been back on a Karlov kick and I still love that that deck lets me run every single one drop dork that gains me life some how while probably being the best way to actually play that deck. I got started tuning it again and realized Kaladesh gave me Night Market Lookout as another addition to the gang. I hadn't even realized when it was first released.

>>52007453
>Anon what's the point if I'm not having any fun, either?
Well then ignore the stax part. Tell your group that your deck is Bird Wizard tribal or some bullshit so you don't get hated out immediately. Derevi is solid against controlly metas because you can always put her into play without worrying about eating a counter.

>just get back into magic
>bro teaches me edh
>show up with my old cards
>drop Mox Emerald
>immediately get called a faggot and told to leave
>some guy gets so mad that he picks up his deck and walks out
Wew

>>52008396
>Playing a banned card

>>52008396
Power 9 cards are banned in EDH bro

Look up the restricted list

>>52008421
My buddy said I was free to bring power, so I figured house rules said I was fine. I'm more concerned about the guy that was so angry at seeing Mox Emerald that he stomped out of the room.

>>52008396
P9 is banned in Commander.
Though really, the moxes aren't all that powerful compared to the other degenerate shit you can do.

I don't really believe this cool story is true, considering they'd just say 'hey that's banned' and not allow you to use it.

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>>52008396
You... almost got me there anon


Surely you can't be this autistic

>>52008439
Not going to lie, I'd also be pretty fucking mad if someone brought a card that's
a) Worth that fucking much
b) Banned

>>52008439
Did you know that guy? I assume it was a stranger.

I remember I was playing EDH with randoms on an LGS, this one neckbeard does the usual Wordly Tutor and picking Prophet of Kruphix (back before it was still legal) to put on top of his library.

When my turn came, I casted Traumatize on him. He immediately scoops and kept muttering that "I was no fun" over and over

Needless to say after more outbreaks like that, I decided to just play EDH with my friends. I find more fun to play with them as well.

He probably got mad due to the bling cards that you have, and breaking the rules.

>>52008468
Not him, but seriously? Like mad mad? That doesn't make any sense. I can't imagine being anymore than slightly annoyed at having to point out it being banned and slowing down the game. Its price shouldn't even factor in.

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>I get mad at cardboard rectangles

>>52008468
Would you honestly get mad? Really?

>>52008476
I didn't know him, but he was in my buddy's playgroup. Again, my buddy told me I was free to bring P9, so I just assumed it was legal under house rules.

>>52008485
Really, who doesn't?

>>52008543
Rudy from Alpha Investments.

So I buy sleeves for my cards

First aggressive shuffle they all split into each other

What am I doing wrong? I wasted money for those and probably nicked my cards

>>52008396
Grade-A bait right here

>>52008632
You need to buy from the Chinaman. It's where I got my Elesh Norn promo.

>>52008632
what brand did you buy?

KMC or Dragon shields should be the standard since theyre tough and have a good card seal

>>52008560
Rudy gets mad at card prices and reprints, not the actual cards themselves.

>>52008693
Fuck off shill.

Are the commander starter decks worth buying?

>>52008693
Hyper Mat chinaman ones

Do I need to make sure my cards aren't flipping?

I'll try dragon next time

>>52008803
Never buy precons.

>>52009205
I hope you're kidding. The Commander precon decks are some of the best value prodcuts WOTC offers.

Even if you don't plan on using the deck as it is, they always contain a ton of good shit to pull out and use in other decks.

>>52000637
Can I see you Daxos deck? I've got one myself and I'm always interested to see how our additions differ

>>52000648
White is literally the best color

>>52009227
Yeah like $0.50 lands in the rare slot, or Ravnica bounce lands, or gainlands, or unplayable jank EDH-exclusive rares like Ezuri's Predation.

Seriously, take two cards out of the Atraxa precon and the EV drops to $7. Seven fucking dollars is your idea of a good deal?

>>52002588
kozilek

>>52008396
I wouldn't pick up my cards immediately, but I would inform you that the mox is banned, and ask you to replace it with a basic before moving on.

>>52007525
Jewish.

>>52009227
Not him, but it is usually a bad idea to buy the precons unless something funky goes on like with atraxa and you can find it for MSRP.

You will use a handful of cards from a precon at most for your "final build" of a deck. Most of the stuff in precons is chaff that you will replace with a better version. There will be removal, but you can run better, there will be fixing but you can run better, etc.

The few commander only cards you want can be bought as singles for much less than the price of the deck.

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>>52004493
>who is surrak

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>Thread Topic
Wort isn't part of the interaction, she's just there for reference to what deck it is.

Brewed up a rough draft of a Riku cloning deck. Tried to instill a bit of an artifact sub-theme thing into it to make it a bit different and more fun to better utilize Mechanized Production as an additional alternate wincon among other interactions. I feel like I could use an extra set of eyes on this before I set to building it though.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/k-a-l-e-i-d-o-s-c-o-p-e/

>>52008286
How are you utilizing night market lookout in Karlov?

>>52008867
Be sure to mash shuffle them with the sides meeting eachother. If you shuffle them by sliding the bottom of a card into the top of another, there's a chance the top card will go into the sleeve, and they will absolutely split if that happens.

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Which one is objectively better?
Which one is objectively more fun?

>>52010380
Obzedat
Obzedat

>>52000599
>magic
>manly men
>not nerd wizards

>>52010380
Never played with either but from the looks of things GCO would be funner as a commander.

Being able to protect itself from removal is a big bonus.
In a life gain deck you're probably going to exploit Soul Warden and Blood artist with a shitload of tokens, so having a built-in sac outlet would be useful.

On the other hand, not being able to trigger OGC's ability at will means that with him as your commander you won't be making as many choices. Making decisions is fun; not having options is generally unfun.

>>52004341
No list right now, I'm on my phone.

You can build your list to be storm wins (dark ritual and similar cards can be given flash back with his ability), control (kill everything while building up a mana base for a good exsanguinate), or commander damage (hatred and howl from beyond are both instants, though this strategy gets worse if you have 5+people in your game).

I like him because mono black has some of the most balls to the wall instants you can play with.

Tainted pact (I've never failed with it, the only repeats I have are 4x swamps and 4x snow covered swamps)
Spoils of the vault
Ad nauseam
Demonic consultation
Necroligia
Hatred
Imp's mischief

All of those cards are super fun to use. There are also lots of gotcha cards, like darkness and sudden spoiling.

There are also quite a few instant speed reanimation spells you can play with, of that's more your thing. Imo that's a more casual strategy.

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>>52010448
>nerd wizards
>not manly muscle wizards

>>52000599
Keldon <anything>

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>Order Tazri from MCM for a non-competitive version of her deck
>Next day open a foil CN2 Grenzo from a draft
>already have 3 decks I'm trying to perfect, not including Tazri

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>>52005338
I'm honestly kinda tempted to get these for my Selvala deck. But I never really came out about my powerlevel with my playgroup and I haven't been part of it for that long. They might actually think I'm a super normie since I tend to be well-groomed and dressed and have no idea about most of the videogames they talk about, so the culture shock might be too much for them. And there's also the fear that the quality of the sleeves is straight garbage, of course.

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>>52005545
Don't have a camera, but I do own this one.

>>52010807
Those culture shock moments are hilarious, I've had it happen many times with the playgroups I'm part of.

Yesterday I asked this community about proxies and recieved some good information.

After some research, the cards I wanted to proxy were ~10-20 dollar ones I already own, and the pain of ordering them and the price and logistics don't make it remotely worth it over just buying them again or using a land.

Thanks for the help. Once again, Valve at Steam Dev Days is proven correct, Piracy is a service problem.

>>52010380
Ghost Council of Orzhova is safer. When you exile them, you can put it to command zone. If someone stifles your upkeep trigger on Obzedat, they stay exiled forever without any eay to retrieve them, besides Pull From Eternity. GCoO doesn't have the same issue if you put them in zone every time you use their ability.

>>52005346
Needing 4 mana for an answer doesn't seem worth if you could use less mana for better options.

>>52009535
>take out the high value cards out of the precon and the expected value drops

Holy shit, I think you're on to something here

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-03-17-mob-rule/
I'm in need of some assistance, should i put more lands in? I have an average CMC of 2.72 with 32 lands, 2 permanent accelerants and 5 one shot explosive accelerants (battle hymn, treasonous ogre and such), am i fine?

>>52011415
Cut Chancellor of the forge for a mountain, and I wouldn't run temple of the false gods either (cut for a mountain or other land, that shit is awful, especially when you have no drops above 5).

Low land counts have problems of not getting you there late game and fucking up your opening hand. Both of these changes should help fix that.

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>>52005545
Got these the other week at a GP.

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>>52005545
My baby, still havent found a deck for it. Might toss it in my Breya list with Platinum Emperion. Runners up are my foil 10th edition ornithopters, Promo dungrove elder, or Lorthos, the Tidemaker

Requesting "Commander Containment Zone" Comic, don't find it around the web...

>tfw i broke down and bought 5 MM17 while drunk last night

welp, hopefully they will be worth a shit ton in a few years...

>>52011935
Boxes or packs?

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>>52011908
Do you mean the one that has the spike searching for a competitive format to play in? Couldn't find it.

>>52011935
I don't know what price point you got them at but they keep going up. If you are worried about getting fucked if they do a second printing then you can just sell them off in 2 weeks for 10$ more than you just paid for them (assuming you didn't fuck yourself on cost already).

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>>52011935
>bought a box at 216 on Wednesday
I'm gonna crack em though. I ain't into all that mtgfinance shit

>>52011973
boxes, i dont think mm has fat packs

>>52012074
220 usd shipped

>>52012089
im thinking about cracking one just for funnsies

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>>52011935
>tfw I preordered 3 boxes for 160 bucks before spoilers
I'm really glad about all the dumb "modern is going to die and wizards doesn't care about it" stuff, it worked wonders on dropping the prices.

I'm gonna draft one of them (but keeping all the cards unless my frienda want to pay me for the packs before they open them) and sit on the rest.

>>52011935
where's the fun in scalping? just fucking open them and play games and show off the potential holo damnation.

i assume if you can afford to buy 5 boxes, then you can make that money again by just working

>>52012129
I think he meant boosters. There's fat packs only of standard sets.

>>52012141
its more that i want to see where the prices go before anything. if they just tank im going to open them or draft probably but if they steadily rise ill keep them and sell them. mostly depends on if wizards reprints them in 6 months like they did with EM

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>tfw you watch your casual fun group hug deck morph into the dirtiest asshole stax deck because you got tired of people using your presents to more easily assemble the same 4 fucking infinite combos over and over again
Look, maybe stop fucking playing boring ass Phyrexian Devourer combos, if you don't want this game to end with a frustrating whimper after an Armageddon with Winter Orb and Ebony Owl Netsuke in play. This ain't fun for any of us.

>>52012319
>playing grouphug
>being salty when others win because of it
Just stop. If you're playing meme strategies, don't expect to win.
It doesn't matter if you win through Craterhoof alpha strike or Mike with his trike. If you hand the wincons to someone, don't expect them to not play them.
God bless you for converting into staxman though.