Modern Masters Spoilers thread

>>51997134

Lightning Bolt. As the cherry on top.

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IT'S FUCKING OVER
WIZARDS HAS VIOLATED THE NAP
INVESTORS AND COLLECTORS ARE GOING TO HOSETOWN AND WE WILL NEVER RECOVER
MAGIC IS FINISHED

Full spoiler when?

>tfw got my box for $180

>>51997134
>Shinka or Shizo edition?

Shinka, all day. Shizo is just a muddy pit, Shinka at least as some nice architecture and a breathtaking snowy mountain view.

>>51997134
Shimmering grotto

>>51997182

I'm so very glad that piece of shit is whining. Every time a great card was spoiled I remebered how he said he wasn't investing much in MM and smiled.

Leeches like him deserve to crash and burn. He mad bad speculation with revolt and planchase I sincerely hope he keeps making horrible decisions and puts himself into financial ruin.

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WEW LAD

>>51997188
>Cancelled ;)

>>51997266
What?

>>51997290

He's a master baiter.

>>51997266
What website do you use to create fake mother ship articles?

>>51997266
did you paint this on sand and this is a top down shot?

>>51997322
Right click. Inspect Element.

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>>51997266
Troll?

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>>51997322
>>51997346
Like that.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/modern

Full spoiler is up.

>>51997134

Joke's on you, man. MM17 is already massively oversold; there are more orders than supply.

>>51997371

This screenshot looks like it came off an old macintosh.

>>51997405

Forgot a bit of that url, buddy.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/modern-masters-2017-edition

>>51997416
>Second and 3rd print runs ;)

>>51997436
Old Windows that still runs Vista, actually.

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>>51997439
Fuck

>>51997439
No bolt?

>>51997439
List hasn't updated for me yet.

>got into magic when a lot of these cards were in standard
>now they're getting reprinted

I miss INN standard

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LOOKS LIKE DOLLAR RARES ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

>>51997554

Yeah, it's just a "full spoiler" of everything spoiled so far, not of the entire set.

>>51997581
Is that Bill Simmons

>>51997134
A-are those fetchlands? At rare?

GIVE ME MAZES END ALREADY!!!

>>51997637
Yes. Please see >>51997182 for an explanation.

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>>51997675

Rest of the spoilers were, as always, a little underwhelming.

Spell Pierce at common is nice and if the art on Golgari Germination is new that's neat too.

From a limited perspective, Arachnus Spinner at uncommon is going to make for some incredible drafts though. I can't fucking wait to try out limited.

I'm moving to Washington DC soon, lads. Anyone have any LGS recommendations?

>>51997675
This set is like a greatest hits of all the top cards on my wishlist.

>>51997675
GET YOUR FUCKING EDH CANCER OUT OF MY MODERN SET REEEEEEE

>reprinting Thundersong Trumpeter

well I know what uncommon I'm getting instead of Path to Exile. :/

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>0 good commons so far, besides maybe electromancer
Come on Wizarsds pls

>kitchen finks didn't make it in
Thats... really shitty. $20 uncommon ran in multiple decks, here we come

>>51997804
spell pierce is a 2 dollar card and soul warden sees some play

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And the last artifact that was waiting to be spoiled.
Not Chalice or Bridge but this.

>>51997804
Blood Tree Emissary

>>51997843
Just FUCK my shit up senpai.

>>51997843
Still a good control rock

>>51997843
ARTIFAGS BTFO

FUCK, EV is dropping.

>>51997886
Lolol artifags

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Everyone's favorite flavortext.

>>51997917
Seriously, what were they thinking?

>>51997890
Obviously

>>51997890

Ev only drops when prices of cards drop.

Ev literally can't drop when you add cards to the set.

>>51998003

Or when you realize the remaining contents are shit.

>>51998022
Not an argument.

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Does this enable some nasty shit in pauper?
>Opponent discards 3
>you setup some graveyard/madness nonsense

>>51998003
Unless you calculate the EV of incomplete sets based on average values.

>>51998045
You just answered your question faggotron.

>>51998045
Was already a common I think.

>>51998072
why so aggressive

calm down friend

>>51998073
oh you're right, it looked like an uncommon from google

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Well, I'm ready to see someone Gifts Ungiven a Rites and a Griselbrand and then get him back with Torrent of Souls in limited.

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>all these limited jank Lorwyn cards that were already reprinted in a previous Modern Masters

W I Z A R D S W H Y

>Average value of a box after adjusting for a presumed MINIMUM price drop of 30% is now sub 200
Fucking lmao all these cucks getting btfo thinking they had a great deal

>>51997843
While I do wish that more focus was given to Modern than this set has shown, I can at least take solace in that I can make Breya players shit the bed with this.

Real talk tho, what do you think the draft environment of this set will turn out to actually look like? Do you think any of the draft archetypes are representative of proper Modern gameplay?

>>51998150
>Source: My ass

>>51998170
>6 mythics that cost more than 10
>9 rares that cost more than 10
Lol

It was ridiculous to think that there wouldn't be dollar rares in the set desu. Really upset about no Bolt, Spike or Finks though.

On a slight tangent, what other WotC products do you think we could expect Modern reprints in? Another Conspiracy set, or the Commander products?

>>51998189
Conspiracy usually has at least one.

What cards should I not pass to my right/left other than Liliana and Snapcaster Mage?

>>51998169
Are you trying to say that there are people who post on Reddit that also post here? Is this idea in some way distressing to you? Is that why you're sperging out?

>>51998201
Fetches are trash in draft desu, also snap isn't very good either

>>51998201
Foil Goyf.

>>51998202
*aggressively downvotes and hides your comment*
If I can't see it then it can't hurt my feelings.

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>>51998219

>>51997804
What in the FUCK are you talking about, we at least get some kind of janky brewtimes with Thunderous Wrath, and we already had Augur of Bolas, Burning Tree Emissary and Magma Jet.

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>This is 100$ worth of cards to wizards
Fascinating

>>51998217
but what about the value?

>>51998095
ALRIGHT FUCK ALL OTHER STRATEGIES I'M FORCING REANIMATOR IN LIMITED IT'S GONNA BE EMA DRAFT ALL OVER AGAIN

>>51998255

Reanimator is always the correct choice because nobody runs graveyard hate in Limited.

>>51998246
Where are you getting the 100 dollar figure from?

>>51998199
Conspiracy is actually fun tho

I can't wait to money draft the fuck out of this set and put together half-assed limited decks just to go through the motions.

>>51998255
>>51998266
>Gifts getting Unburial Rites and Gristlebrand

UNF MY DICK IS SO HARD RIGHT NOW

>>51998282
Looks like we're in the same boat, then
Cheers, m8

>>51998282
my plan is to money draft as well and hope to assemble a shitty five colour deck thanks to the lands and uncommon signets

>>51998246
>Commander Masters 2017

>>51998282
>>51998297
>>51998320
You (((Rudytors))) are killing the game.

>>51997675
Can we just get a Commander Masters set already so we can make proper room for MM?

Hierarch
Thoughtseize
Surgical
Fulminator
Chalice
And a hell of a lot of other rares need reprints. For fuck's sake, they could even shove in the Commands from Tarkir if they want to push color archetypes! Come on!

>>51998369
Commander players already have the best yearly supplemental product and still feel entitled to have their cards printed in products not designed for them

>>51998336
I'm killing draft but I literally don't care. Draft is a silly format anyways.

>>51998272
You buy 10 packs and pull these 10 rares

>>51998410
>>51998336

I just blame Wizards for letting the secondary market spiral so far out of control that it incentivizes moneydrafting.

Hell at $10 a pack you pretty much HAVE to moneydraft.

>>51998278
I'm still bummed conspiracy 2 got shafted hard.

>>51998398
It's rather ironic, really?

Do you think supplemental constructed product could ever be properly released for Modern players? To just be able to buy Stompy or Burn for like, $35 or something?

>>51998451

In all honesty, I think that's what Preconstructed decks SHOULD be, rather than the jank with the planeswalkers they put out right now.

I was hoping for a sleight of hand reprint. We don't have a modern looking black-bordered version yet.

>>51998428
>he can't afford $10 a pack
Get a job.

>>51997675
>this fucking card
God i feel like there will be one grixis drafter that will make everyone mad forever with this shit

>>51998485
I wanna see the numbers of the walker decks compared to maybe some old event deck numbers. I know event decks were usually seen as kind of whatever since most people bought them for that one single strong card that would be shoved in there but they at least were somewhat playable and provided a base to build a deck.

Just bust a yugioh. Do supplemental decks with functioning and strong effects but leave enough slots open that players still need to either buy singles or crack packs to finish the deck.

>>51998323
>pyromancer ascension
>commander card
You're a joke

>People doing their EVs without factoring in Uncommon tier 1 and 2
lol

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>>51998556
>it only hurts me when I laugh

>>51998521
That was a dumb thing you said

>>51998588
Not an argument.

>>51997439
No hierarch. Set is a fail for me

>>51998588
Not an argument

>>51998603
>>51998607
Is this a new meme I'm missing?

>>51998521

Oh, I can afford $10 a pack, but I don't see it as a good use of my money. Obviously such a decision will come down to how much you personally value Magic: the Gathering. I mean, there are people who spend $2,000 on Overwatch lootboxes, who am I to tell them how to live their life?

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Here's what I got, this is counting anything less than a dollar as Zero(Good luck trying to sell it anyways). Also I'm not gonna do the commons, if you pull a foil spell pierce good for you. This is factoring for 20% price reduction from this point now, which is very reasonable, and will probably be more.

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So a while ago I was asking around to see if I should pick up a set of goblin guides because they were at $12 a piece and I was told that they'd go even lower on release date? Should I have bought them? 'Cause now the cheapest I can find them is $16 each.

>>51997182
Was the video taken down? It's not on his channel

>>51998740
Buy then anon, it'll never be a $5/$10 card. Not too long ago it was $30, count your blessings

>>51998740

Wait 1-4 months after the set is released. If the price will drop, it'll drop then and there. And generally as long as something isn't printed as a Mythic or a Masterpiece, the price will drop.

>>51998740
Prices will be a bit unstable in the next few days. They will stabilize and start to adjust to the new situation. They will probably hit their lowest point 3 months after the release.

>>51998748
You're right. It's gone. (((He))) probably got an email from WotC and took it down like the beta faggot he is.

>>51998793
What was the general gist? Just him sperging out over mm3 having such bomb reprints?

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>It's another Wizards pretends like it's a good box to buy but then the entire rest of the set is fucking garbage with only 15 cards worth a pack in the entire fucking set episode

>>51998793
Damn it. I love seeing people bitch when they realize that this isn't the fucking stock market.

>>51998774
>>51998773
It's so nail-bitingly tempting to just buy when they're half the price they were though. I hope this is good advice I think I'll weather the storm for now.

>>51998793

TImmy with Taco Bell Investments couldn't handle the volatility.

>>51998369
Isn't that what Conspiracy is?

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>>51998721
>People just 2 days ago were jerking off to "MUH PAY 180 FOR 350 DOLLARS IN CARDS"
Lmao, I swear to god Wizards is paying shills to come on here and post retarded EVs for the set

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>2nd and 3rd printrun go their course
>investors start to stabilize, cards begin steadily climbing in price again, Rudy releases a video about how it's not bad and they are still on top
>4rth printrun

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>cavern of souls bumped to mythic

Do people really think they can retire on MTG or something?

Do people seriously think when they're old that there's going to be a massive market for their card collection? Like they'll just be able to walk into a card shop and unload $100,000 in cards?

Do they realize that the actual market for hyper expensive cards is actually very small? I look forward to seeing stacks of Goyfs in pawnshops in 30 years for $10 a pop

>>51998911

>implying a pawn shop would even take items like Magic cards

>>51998146
>mudbutton
butthole goblin
>>51998630
stefan molyneux meme

>>51997244
>>51997670
>>51998748
It's obviously fake.

The picture is from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsN7FK6FV0

>>51998911

No, it's more like they get an endorphin rush from the idea that they made money by being smart with their purchases. It's the same reason people play penny slot-machines. They aren't winning or losing a lot of money, but they still get that chemical "feel good" when they get lucky and win.

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>>51998963
>I believed it

>>51998911
This part always confounds me, it doesn't matter if a website says your card is worth $10,000, you've got to convince one of the handfuls of people who would even give a fuck to buy it from you.

Magic cards aren't gold or oil, they aren't necessary commodities with a massive market to sell to.

>>51998942
They do if they get them for cheap enough

>>51998981
Would Rudy kill himself if WOTC ever went under and stopped making Magic in the next few years?

>>51998981
>it isn't a necessary commodity
That screaming child in the Pokemon aisle would say otherwise. Those kids grow into gambling addicts that want everything they couldn't have as a kid.

>>51998998

Probably not since he's a trust fund baby, he'd make sure to blame WOTC over himself though

>>51999017
>trust fund baby
Source?

>>51999036
Anyone with that amount of entitlement has to be, it's self-evident

>>51998848
Basically. It's the set I can think of that has unabashedly commander oriented cards both new and reprinted.

>>51998963
Well, motherfucker. Got me.

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>>51999047

>>51998998
MTG isn't his main income and he was already pretty fucking rich before he started investing in it, so probably not.

>>51998866
It's just retards being retarded. If packs were worth more than their msrp stores would just open them instead of selling them. It's physically untenable for the product to be worth more than it's sold for

>>51997182
I hate this piece of shit lol so happy hes upset

>>51999229
That is not true. Here in Finland large stores are unable to open sealed product by law.

>>51999260
Wow, you and all 13 Finnish magic players must be happy.

>>51998869
>WOTC carefully watches the prices, and make more printruns every time they spike
>Finally, they stop
>Investors finally have a chokehold on what cards remain valuable
>Wizards Announcement Day comes around
>They announce that they're making a new Un- set
>The promotional art is a Phil Foglio Tarmogoyf and a Mark Rosewater Liliana of the Veil

>>51999328
:^)

On a scale of MM2015 to OGMM, I give it a 6 for card quality
In terms of what I think it will do to the prices if the print run is as big as people are saying, I give it a 7 out of 10
Overall decent set

>>51999424

The printrun better be huge otherwise more people are going to be convinced to bece armchair investors instead of players

>>51999330
I hated the Un-sets, but I'd buy the shit out of it for Fogliogoyf.

>>51999260
How is this law enforced? What's stopping storeowners from only displaying one box in their store and "selling" the remaining boxes to their friends/families to bypass this law?

And what store would sell boxes at MSRP in this situation when they could easily charge more?

So anyone know the ratio of foils per box? Chance of a foil mythic etc

>>51999485
You get about one foil mythic per case and a half if the ratios are the same as the other Masters sets.

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>No Push reprint
I'm quitting Magic, fuck you Wizards

>>51999481
Things are different here. People disappear if laws are bypassed. It is tough.

>>51999424
The set's fucking insane as far as I see. I honestly thought that yesterday they showed us everything valuable and was already content, yet they still got in Unburial Rites and Pyroclasm. Other than that a fuckton of ratrity downshifts, and I feel there is no format other than standard that does not get great shit from this set. They did it well for once.
>>51999505
Either low quality bait or you've no idea how MM sets work. Probably the first one.

Still, for eanyone that does not know: Each MM sets does two more years of MTG. Tle last one was up to Scars, this one added Innistrad and RTR, and the next one will be a fucking joke because there's only so much you can get out of Theros.

So no new cards.

>>51998740
Right now you've got hype prices. Wait a month or two after it releases.

>>51999505
>reprint the card literally already still being printed

good meme

>>51999505
7/10

>>51999502
Per case or per box? Cause per case does not sound right, the masters sets have a higher chance than normal sets

>>51999594
Also consider that mm boxes have less boasters though

>>51999594
Case. Keep in mind I'm a fucking retard, but that's the figure I remember. If you find a different answer, please share with the class because I'd be interested.

>>51997182
Cant find it but wanna watch./

>>51999330
Would that second one just be Lilliana of the veil with MaRo's face shoddily photoshopped on.

>>51999735
I think it would be with art drawn by Maro, like "Look at Me, I'm the DCI".

>>51999734
It's fake you tard

>>51999908
proofs?

>>52000006
>proof it's fake
Kill yourself. Check his channel if you want proof.

>>52000006
read the thread

>>52000049
Not an argument.

>>52000006
First of, its nonexistence is the proof of it being fake.

Second of all, Rudy is an investor that actually knows his shit, unlike the whiny babbies here. He's not one to make such desolator magic tier rant videos for little reason, especially that he invests in sealed product, not singles.

>>51998911
It's rather similar to Team Fortress 2's market. People talk about trading up into keys for ref and into Unusuals that have "real" value on the grounds of their sheer scarcity, what cosmetic set they come from, the Unusual effect and how many of a cosmetic with that effect exist, and so on, until you have people with $2000 cosmetics. Prices are often manipulated by people arguing which effects are better (an entirely subjective argument, might I add) in order to sway uninformed masses and validate their ridiculous price points. And then liquidation comes. I'll give an example:

Say you have a Burning Flames Team Captain, worth about 2300 keys (approx. $5300 USD). You trade that for 2300 keys of other Unusuals from a collector who will be extremely hard to find due to the ludicrous price. Assuming that this actually happens and that you don't have to discount, you then have to trade down into cheaper Unusuals or raw keys, depending on how many Unusuals you got for your original. Then you have to sell allllllllllllllll of those keys on the Community Market. And every single step of this is borderline impossible because people just aren't interested once you get to such ludicrous prices. So after realistically cutting your margins in half, congratulations! You made $2300 dollars!

And in the time it took, you could've made that much just working at McDonald's!

>>51998451
Desu that one event deck they had wasn't terrible and if they released more they'd probably sell.

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So glad more of these foils are coming out.

>>52000150
You're right. This wasn't an argument. Again, kill yourself.

>>52000316
Not an argument

>>52000335

Not an argument

>>52000402
Not an argument

>>51997134
Not an argument

>Open a pack
>See gold in the rare slot
>Pack is immediately worthless
Interesting

>>52000506
not an argument

>>51997134
I'm only dissapointed by the minimum ammount of plane/time/colorshifted whatever you call cards that don't have the normal modern border. Just Gaea's Anthem and Seal of Primordium.

Also, is there less new art than in previous Masters sets?

>>52000506
> this is true

Damn I didn't realize how set up I was for disappointment before this post. Wish I could buy a box but I'm not going to pay over $200 in this lifetime.

>>51999734
>>52000006
>>52000150
>>52000402

Read the fucking thread, faggot: >>51998963

>>52000541
Very clearly just bait. Please don't reply. Filtering them is easy.

>>52000550
>>52000541
>implying you have an argument

Is anyone interested in actually drafting this set? Everyone's talking about depreciation and how market manipulators are going to Jew us out of an affordable hobby, but nobody seems excited for the "main" purpose of the set.

On that note, what cards would fit well into the draft environment that also need reprinting? Wizards works a year in advance, so we have little time to voice our proper criticisms of this set.

>>52000671
The main purpose of the set is reprints. Limited is the "reason" for the rarities.

>>52000671
Drafting is the main purpose of Conspiracy sets. Every other booster set's main purpose can go either way, depending on the singles and on the relevant constructed format environments.

>>52000671
>drafting
>$35
No thanks. The "fun draft environment" is basically a lie. If they were as draft focused as they seemed, it would just be Ravnica Guilds + Innistrad's Greatest Hits. You can make a cube with that shit right now and it would be a more fun draft environment

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>>51997917
Den how comes day all got black belts in suck'n da D

>>52000702
>>52000707
>>52000728
I agree that the draft is a poor excuse for rarity shifts, but what cards in Modern could be added to make the ROI of paying for such a draft worthwhile? Can that even be done while also fostering a fun draft environment?

Or will the price forever be too steep no matter what?

Even the bad rares are good, there's only 4 true stinkers compared to MM2's 18 unsellable rares.

>>51998911
There is a shitload of money to be made with magic, I turned $40 into $480 with Nightveil Specter. But that was only 20 cards I had to move.
5 playsets of a 4x in the best standard deck of it's time is easy as fuck to sell, boxes of Darksteel for 6x MSRP might as well be paperweights cause nobody wants that shit.

>>52000803
>Even the bad rares are good
Yeah for now
Cruel Ultimatum
Fiery Justice
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Blade Splicer
Cackling Counterpart
Cyclonic Rift
Desecration Demon
Mind Shatter
Sever the Bloodline
Hellrider
Zealous Conscripts
Call of the Herd
Summoning Trap
Ulvenwald Tracker
Advent of the Wurm
Aethermage's Touch
Broodmate Dragon
Evil Twin
Obzedat, Ghost Council
Simic Sky Swallower
Boros Reckoner
Wort, the Raidmother
Damping Matrix
Mizzium Mortars
Terminus
Falkenrath Aristocrat
Extractor Demon
Seance
\Thragtusk
Primal Command
Stoic Angel
All trash and will be less than 1 dollar, or barely more

>>51999036
>Lives in military base
>Free ride through business school
>Gets wall street job through nepotism and values it so little he goes back to powergaming restorant staff
>Buys/sells random shit with no apparent reason
>Laughs about losing $10K and posts it online

Rudy is not a whore on the brink of losing his comfy SanFran lifestyle if he doesn't make the patreon bucks like "The Professor". He's in it as an ego trip. The fucker was better off before he started wasting his money on magic and you can see the lingering thought creep up from time to time.

>>51999594
Case, you get 2 rares per box and 1/8 rares are mythic.

>>52001052
On that note, Tolarian Community College and the circlejerk that surrounds it is a big part of the cancer that is the MtG "community".

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>Average cost of a rare in original MM= $12
>Average cost of a rare in MM15= $5
>Average cost of a rare in EMA= $4
>Average cost of a rare in MM2017 after adjustment= $5

Makes me think

>>52001006
If you live cloistered in your mommy's basement and your only human contact is the USPS man.
In real life all but 3 of those cards are easy to trade even when they're inexpensive and generally shought by the kind of people who's willing to trade a bunch of "cool cards" for the Standard staple they just pulled so long as the numbers add up, the quintessential trade sweetener.

>>52001117

Nobody cares how much you love Rudy, go give him a blowjob if you're so desperate for his semen.

>>52001203
Would your autism be quelled if I extended my statement to all Magic Youtube channels, my mentally sluggish friend?

>>52001241

Nobody cares about your hot opinions.

>>52001247
That' just your opinion, lad.

>>52001247
I care. He's right anyway.

>>52001247
Desolator pls go.

>>52001272
>>52001277

go make a general where you guys can talk about how much you hate all magic youtube channels then, this is the spoiler discussion, not "oh look at me and my increeeedible taste in youtube channels~ aren't I just soooo ~special~~~~" general.

>>52001300
XD

>>52001300
I'm going to stop replying to you now, lad.

>>52001176
>pay $10 for a booster
>open a 20c rare
But at least it's something to sweeten up my trades, right?
I'll actually list the ones that will move

Blade Splicer
Cyclonic Rift
Zealous Conscripts
Broodmate Dragon
Boros Reckoner
Terminus
Falkenrath Aristocrat
Thragtusk
Primal Command
Out of all of those, only Splicer sees some play in DnT, Terminus and Thrag see play in legacy. The rest is kitchen casual or EDH shit. People are going to make money off of the uncommons anyway

@52001300
Embarrassing 2bh. I'm not even giving you a (You).

>>52001313

Do us all a favor and stop posting entirely.

>No Heirarch reprint

And they were doing so well too.

What is the esper draft archetype supposed to be?

All the other shards have solid themes, but the only description for esper was "Control (with Creatures)"

Is it just a good stuff deck?

>>52001336
XD

>>52001176
Yeah fuck off WOTCIDF
>Easy to trade
Are you fucking serious? Who the fuck wants to trade for dollar rares? Maybe fucking 5 year olds.
Also
>Ripping kids off for their standard cards

>>52000671
No. I'd rather draft my buddy's Pauper or vintage cube. On that note, lots of "new" goodies for the former.

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Here is the difference between the sets, here we have the Original Modern Masters, great cards, and value spread around to all. Today only 11 of these cards are under a dollar, pretty good.

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>>52001052
Do you have any evidence for any of the shit you spew?

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>>51997182
>WIZARDS HAS VIOLATED THE NAP

>>52001332
I've seen thragtusk in Troj sideboards before.

>>51997715
>he doesnt include a 1 of cyclonic rift in his main deck
dude you really should try it 75% of the time it will be 2 mana bounce something you dont control but that one time you completely hose someone is worth it

>>52001407
And here we have MM 2017, literally 30 of the rares will soon be under a dollar, these are the values now, and very soon will be shit. Also less value spread around. It's literally night and day.

>>52001332
>@52001300
>Embarrassing 2bh. I'm not even giving you a (You).

>Using @ to deny someone a response

As if I needed any more proof that these (you) faggots are all straight out of reddit and cannot physically cope with a system that has no backpats for le epic puns

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>>52001342
Why didn't you pick them up last year? Not that many decks run them, especially now that infect is out.

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>>52001468
Forgot pic

>>52001408
Well, everything he says is true if you watch enough of his videos.

What he fails to mention is that Rudy has like four fucking jobs. He manages properties and restaurants in addition to the Magic. Magic can shit the bed and Rudy will still be doing much better than the majority of us as far as income goes.

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>>51997581
I laughed way too hard at this.

>>52001497

Wasn't playing modern last year. And if not many decks are playing them, the card shouldn't be 50 god damn dollaroos.

The secondary market continues to ruin the game.

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>>52001481
>mfw people reply to you seriously
>mfw people don't understand that you're only pretending to be retarded
8/10 troll, dude. You're killing it.

>>52001531
Pretending to be retarded is still being retarded.

>>52001509
Bant Eldrazi still places top 8's, so Cavern and Noble still have demand. I was more wondering why you wanted them since its home is pretty narrowly within a single expensive deck.

>>52001509
Here's a reply.

>>52001552

Wanted to build GW hatebears, I have the W part and Horizon Canopies, I just needed Voice and Noble. We were almost there.

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>>52001501
>>52001468
>>52001407
>>52001126
>>51998721
Can we please stop arguing like retard children and talk about the actual analysis I did in the thread? For fucks sake I'm trying to have an actual discussion on this.

>>52001574
Enjoy getting cucked and never finishing the deck. Shell out the dollars, goy.

>>52001584

Analysis is it's a massive step up from MM15, still no MM14.

The printrun better be huge or nothing will change.

>>52001594

No, i'll just play Mono-W Hatebears for now.

>>52001599
It's not a fucking massive step up is what I'm fucking saying jesus read the post

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>>52001584
>someone appreciates my analysis
Feels good man

>>52001619
>Not a massive step up from MM15

MM15 was a fucking joke.

>>52001643
This set is a fucking joke, give me a break, the EV of a box is already less than what MM2015 was a day before release, the rares are fucking shit, 3/5 rares arent worth a dollar or are barely, open your eyes.

>spend $35 on 3 packs
>rares are blade splicer, ulvenwald tracker and terminus
>open 1 inquisition

THANKS WIZARDS

>>52001599
http://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/modern-masters-2017-edition
2–3 cases for WPN Core level stores
4–6 cases for WPN Advanced level stores
8–12 cases for WPN Advanced Plus level stores

Allocations directly from Wizards are almost identical to 2015. If stores get more than their allocation they have to go through their distributors. But distributors are not on a first-come-first-served basis; they sell to you based on your purchase history with them; the more you have bought in the past, the more you get if you ask nicely.

I agree, there's no point analyzing EV when the price of product, availability, and 24 packs/box means this shit will once again, be a drop in the bucket as far as invigorating the supply goes. Even if Wizards "shadow prints" a pile of shit, the fact that they aren't revealing there's a lot out there doesn't change prices at all - so long as they are secretive about the volumes everyone is just going to think the still-inflated prices are already adjusted.

It takes 110 packs to open a given Mythic; Rares are about twice as likely. That means it takes 4 boxes to open a single Mythic. If the Advanced level store gets 36 boxes, that means that store will only open 9 of a given Mythic, which it won't because those boxes will be sold to people. That's only TWO fucking playsets of a Mythic injected into a community and FOUR playsets of Fetchlands.

I don't understand this obsession with EV. The whole point of this whole exercise is to DROP EV. It's fine that the "Before EV" is high, but ultimately the "After EV" needs to be tiny if the set has served its purpose; but it won't, so "After EV" will be almost the same so long as everyone keeps fucking raving about how good this product is. And don't get me wrong, it's a fine product, but the distribution and price is all wrong, which utterly and wholly negates the goodness of the product.

Use this opportunity to identify the shills and/or idiots.

>>52001745
>Spend 310$ on packs
>Cruel Ultimatum
>Fiery Justice
>Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
>Blade Splicer
>Cackling Counterpart
>Cyclonic Rift
>Desecration Demon
>Mind Shatter
>Sever the Bloodline
>Hellrider
>Zealous Conscripts
>Call of the Herd
>Summoning Trap
>Ulvenwald Tracker
>Advent of the Wurm
>Aethermage's Touch
>Broodmate Dragon
>Evil Twin
>Obzedat, Ghost Council
>Simic Sky Swallower
>Boros Reckoner
>Wort, the Raidmother
>Damping Matrix
>Mizzium Mortars
>Terminus
>Falkenrath Aristocrat
>Extractor Demon
>Seance
>\Thragtusk
>Primal Command
>Stoic Angel
>Are your rares
>This will actually happen to some person

>>52000978
>a shitload of money
>$480

So, in which ChuckeCheese are you gonna celebrate your 12th birthday?

>>52001531
>I-I know what I can do! I'll just say I was trolling and then my ego will be safe!

>>52001552
? Noble Hierarch is in a bunch of decks.
It's in infect, g/w hatebears, abzan, abzan coco, bant eldrazi, knightfall, and bant spirits. Maybe a few more I'm missing

>>52001584
I understand your frustration. Bottom line, they're not printing enough shit. And if they did, they're not revealing that they did, which means that once again, the secondary market can dictate prices to their whims.

What can we do? Are we going to go to the store and shittalk the product? Are you going to do that to your store owner? That's the victim here; he had nothing to do with it but you're going to trash the product that obviously is going to do well for him. The store owner is on the front line to profit or eat shit from this thing.

But assuming the store owner is not involved here. Is anybody here who realized that this product is the same horseshit we had before but with better marketing (let's only show them the good cards before we fully spoil it!) going to sit there and shame the fuck out of the players at the store? Because that's the only thing that's going to stop this shit.

That's the only thing that can fix anything, if the majority fucking smartens up. It won't happen. It just won't fucking happen. Human society has been grossly unprepared for the power of the Internet where paid shills can pretend to be peers and sell the goddamn product. Then you have all the goddamn retards praising something that doesn't deserve an ounce of praise and those people who are in the middle - some of them will be swayed.

It's the retard money, there is a LOT of retard money. Not everyone has the time to sit on the Internet and bitch and moan or read to better their education. If everyone is doing it then it must be okay.

>>52001950

I'll do the only thing I can, continue to not buy a single fucking pack until Mythic Rarity is removed.

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>>52001993
So never buy packs again, which as one person will change nothing. Alright have fun I guess. 99% of players don't care/don't think about the mythic rarity.

>>52001993
Yu-Gi-Oh sounds more for you, honeybear.

>>51997134

This set represents another episode of WotC pushing players towards the Chinaman. Maybe this time is just a gentle nudge, but it nevertheless falls under the same broad narrative. The price of cards keeps going up and these sets are nothing more than a morphine shot given to a stage 4 cancer patient. We are dying, and they just want us to suffer a little less before the inescapable end.

>>52002078
Not him but doesn't Yugioh have like, twelve separate rarity tiers?

>>52002108
I have no clue. I just know the game is totally fucked valuewise.

>>52002128

From what I remember hearing Yugioh went and printed competetive high rarity cards at common type rarity, destroying the secondary market.

This wouldn't be such a big deal if mythic rarity was just removed and they were all made rare

>>52002073
>>52002078
Okay straight up, who are you people? What are you doing posting Magic wallpapers. Do you actually download that shit - nobody downloads that fucking garbage, only a bitch would use that as their wallpaper or even have it on their hard drive. Are you really going to call someone a YGO baby? Is that the best burn you got? I understand this criticism is only going to make your shilling better; because maybe in the future you won't post fucking Magic wallpapers and just visit some random meme page for your reaction images, but it's the only way to call you out on your shit.

Here's the deal, I think you're both shills. It is entry level tactics you are using and image posting.

And if you're not shills you certainly sound like it. You sound like goddamn children being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory. We're trying to advocate for better and pro-consumer practices from Wizards and you're actually disrupting it. And all it's going to do is make the game and world a shittier place.

I've done some evil shit in the name of business but I don't put myself above yourselves, who are doing the exact same thing. We've done nothing but make the world dumber just so we can afford a home, car, and dog. I'm just sad; sad that in the entertainment business this is what it has come to, people like you making it difficult to access entertainment when there is no reason for it to be that way. And if that's not the case then you're just ignorant, and in many ways, that's worse because then Wizards doesn't even have to try.

inb4 thanks for the blogpost faggot

>>52002096
Magic is fine, nothing is dying. Sales have been consistently been up from previous years every year for the past 7- 8 years. It's only "dying" because you think you're entitled to play without paying for product. News flash: IT'S A HOBBY. You spend money on a hobby. And your precious fakes are one- terrible, and two- illegal. They're counterfeit product you use to cheat and scam people.

>Want to build Junk
>Almost all the money cards got reprinted
>Still gonna be expensive as balls to get

Man and here I was hoping I wouldn't have to spend $1.5k to get the deck if they got reprinted. Guess I'll switch to Weiss Schwarz and keep a budget Magic deck around.

>>52000374
>Not an argument
Not an argument

>>52002269
investor jews will just target the cheaper non-reprinted cards anyway

expensive decks will stay expensive

>>52001006
Terminus literally sparked an entire Legacy deck into existence. Thragtusk sees play in Legacy too.

>>52002232
Magic is not dying. The constructed player is.

Magic is geared more and more towards the draft players, the collectors, even the so-called investors.

The whole entitlement argument is childish and reveals certain insecurities. "Having more money means I get to win". If you are such a defender of free market economies, you should know that counterfeiters are the result of artificially inflated prices and the desire of exclusivity. Your beloved WotC create the fakes.

>>52002232
It's dying because only the people who are reckless with their money are paying for it. While revenues are probably growing, the community suffers. The community is becoming less and less composed of people who want to play the game and be passionate but are pushed out because for some reason, it's become the standard to pay $1000 for a pile of cardboard. And if you want to play another way, it's another $1000.

It's working. Players play like shit for their teenage years, quit, then when they have money they finally pay for what they couldn't as kids. So much money made there in secondary and primary sales. But at the same time, the people with any sense quit, they see how utterly toxic the marketplace is and they know better than to sit there and waste their time haggling over minuscule bits of value over trades or dealing with these people who barely paid for rent but could drop $15 on a couple boosters for the week.

The counterfeits are fine. They're impossible to detect from across the table. You've obviously never seen them because you're working for Wizards and they just tell you to constantly say they look like crap when they don't. I understand it's your job, but fuck off, call it a day.

>>52002324
Terminus was the last piece they needed, not the spark behind it. Top and Counterbalance are just as necessary. And in fact, much more broken than Terminus.

>>52002324
>Legacy
>Modern Masters
Wait, what's that, I thought this was a Modern product. Yunno, where Modern comes first, and if it helps Legacy that's just fine.

Who the fuck wants Dracogeniuses in Modern? Oh wait, Commander players; because they always come first.

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>>52002228
You need to calm down.

>>52002345
>hating fakes must mean I'm a shill

This is the part where I make a sarcastic comment about your leap in logic.

"Wew"

>>51997182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uqDWV3N1Ag

>>52002228
Uh, I just have some wallpapers to use for backgrounds of the Magic Facebook group I run for my local community. As an average nobody, seeing someone like you over react like this is pretty mystifying. I always assumed the tinfoil hat thing was just a joke.

>>52002427
>>52002461
I'm disappointed that that's the best rebuttal you guys got.

I'm surprised your training program allows you to reply to direct criticism instead of letting it languish with zero replies.

>>52002619
Buy Modern Masters 2017 goy.

Actually, how much would people be interested in an actual Commander Masters with a commander themed draft environment?

>Each Creature in Rare or Mythic is a Legendary Creature to assure players have a commander to build around
>Packs include reprints from Commander 2012-2015 along with other blocks like Kamigawa Mirrodin and Lorwyn (So shit like Rhys the Redeemed, Divining Top, and Mycosynth Lattice can get reprints)
>Focus on enemy colored pairs, but both wedge and shard support for tricolor
>Players draft four packs to build 50 card decks (Probably not Singleton due to pack variety) and play at 30 life or 15 Commander Damage

>>52002228
People don't have some sort of inherent right to entertainment. If you don't like that the free market has made something expensive either work harder or find something else. Whining about it on the internet is just childish, grow up dude.

>>52002619
It's a curse, really. I want to ignore you for the ass- hat you are, but I feel compelled to reply. I need to stop. Send help.

>>52002642
Don't quit your dayjob.

>>52002604
Call it an overreaction if you want. It doesn't change the fact that if your claim of 99% of players not caring is true, then the game is not only in a sorry state but it can remain so while idiots keep spending their money recklessly.

I presented a problem and you said nobody cares. Great. Nobody cares, what a wonderful situation; I'm sure not exerting an ounce of critical thinking is something to be proud of.

>>52002663
I don't intend to, how else will I be able to afford MM17?

>>52002685
>buying MM17
Good goy. Buy buy buy!

>>52002345
The counterfeits are getting pretty good but it's not impossible, a few months back my buddy caught his opponent playing with fake fetches during a modern FNM and they were sleeved. Owner got out the jewelers tool and confirmed it, honestly the owner was a bro about it he didn't give the guy shit just said he got a game loss and offered to let him buy the real ones before the next round which he did.

>>52002744
I won a legacy event and took home $1000 of product with a fully proxied deck. The Chinaman is our greatest ally.

>>52002681
Sounds like you're the one not thinking critically. Boycotting only works if it's an issue a lot of people are aware of and can get behind. I claim that most players are not even aware of the issues that having mythic rarity can create, nevertheless actually being upset by it if they did. So if it's an issue you really are invested in then the way to go about making real change in the community if by informing and educating people on your position, and if your reasoning is valid and true then you'll begin to see a shift in people's thinking which could lead to a reality where boycotts might be effective. As it stands right now what you're doing is the equivalent (in terms of how effective it will be) as pouting in the corner.

But what do I know, I'm just a shill.

>>52002838
Actually I find Legacy players to be much more chill than Modern players, they don't typically care or suspect that people may be using proxies. This is just a guess but I've always thought that there was a correlation between the fact that Legacy players are generally older and are people that have managed their lives well so that they have more disposable income and the general higher level of maturity in the community.

Anyway, hats off to you for successfully cheating during every round without getting caught. I'm doing that thing the kids do where they connect their pointer finger and thumb with the remaining three fingers left up in a gesture of approval.

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>>52002994
Please leave this thread, racist.

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>>51997134

Holy kek the reds compared to everything else.

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wtf? I've never seen a box cost so much was this same for last modern?

>>52003352
Anyone buying it at that price is a tard.

I'm shit at magic, but how many of the non-rare cards from this set even see any play at all in modern?
>Pyroclasm
>Unburial Rites
>Serum Visions
>Lingering Souls
>Path to Exile
>Inquisition of Kozilek
>Putrefy?
>Magma Jet?
>Spell Pierce?
>Soul Warden?
>Coiling Oracle?
Isn't this supposed to be "Modern" Masters? Why would they have the overwhelming majority of the set be cards that don't have any use in modern?

>>52003438
because you're a tard that will buy anything magic

>>52003466
I bought two packs of MM15 just for shits and giggles. It was fun, but pretty much made me decide I was done buying packs. Definitely not buying any MM17. That said, I remember most of MM15 at least seeing fringe play or showing up in sideboards, where most of this set just strikes me as totally useless.

>>52003438
Well you missed a lot of cards that are played in Modern, but besides that yes there are many filler cards that are there for limited/to keep the value low.

>>52003501
>Well you missed a lot of cards that are played in Modern
Which?

>>52003516
Ancient grudge
Flickerwisp
Unburial rites
Might Of old Krosa
Spell pierce
Goblin electromancer
Burning tree emissary
Terminate

That's about it that I can think of

>>52003605
Never mind you got unburial rites and spell pierce

>>52003516
>Ancient Grudge
>Intangible Virtue
>Flickerwisp
>Might of Old Krosa
>Mystical Teachings
>Ghor-Clan Rampager
>Sin Collector
>Izzet Charm
>Terminate
>Goblin Electromancer
>Burning-Tree Emissary

Anyway I somehow read it as mythic rares which is why I said you missed a lot.

>>52003605
>>52003643
I listed Unburial Rites and Spell Pierce. The rest, alright. Still seems like a really short list. That's what, 20/25 cards out of how many commons and uncommons? I haven't crunched numbers but gut tells me you're more likely to open a pack with zero (0) modern viable cards than not.

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>""""Modern""""" Masters
>Only 50, (and that's being really fucking generous) of the cards see any play
What did they mean by this?

>>52003657
Did you see MM2015?

Also, seal of primordium could be added to that list

>>52003657
Well they bump good cards in rarity and reprint a lot of cheap junk to make sure prices don't change too much to keep investors happy.
Then instead of filling the rest out with <5$ cards that are actually Modern playable they add stuff for muh limited experience.

>>52003714
>Did you see MM2015?
I thought it was better, but looking back through the list maybe I was just blinded by pulling good rares.

I'm still disappointed, but it's more "oh wizards fucked up again" than "this was supposed to be a good set" now.

>>52003738
I thinkthere are more cards in 17 that actually see modern play than 15. If someone could be arsed making a list it could be objectively proven

Where the fuck is Boros Charm?

>>52003877
in the trash where it belongs

>>52003738
There are about 65 modern played cards in mm17 not including signets or non-fetch lands.

There are about 45 modern played cards in mm15 not including the karroo lands. MM15 is far more heavily weighted to the mythics too for $$$ distribution

>>52003781
I jist did, but mobile, so it would take too long to post. I would post a pic, but my handwriting is terrible and I doubt you could read it.

Anyway, I counted 42/249 cards as Modern playable. (I define playable as cards I recognize from defined deck list, either past or current.) I might have missed a couple, though. But somewhere between 40- 50.

>>51998740
what would be a decent price to buy a playset of Zendikar art Goblin Guides post-MM17?

>>52002073
>The art obscures the feet.

>>52004079
>feetfag
i bet you jerk it to cartoons too

>>52004000
$60

>>52003267
What the fuck, man.

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>>51997134
FUCK COLLECTORS!

>>51997266
Credit where credit is due: this is an elaborate troll.

>>51999505
I kek'd.

>>52001006
>cyclonic rift
>$1
I can only hope. There's no reason it should be barely south of $10.

>>52005094
It's an EDH staple. Instant-Upheaval for everyone except you is going to do some shit and disrupt combos. Gets past fucking hexproof bullshit. Has nothing to do with the fact it sees play in U-Tron.

That's just a guess, I don't play EDH. But I can't imagine a multiplayer format deck that doesn't benefit from this card.

>>51999444
My store is getting 48 copies, which is the same that they were limited to for Eternal Masters. However there are a fuckton of extra copies given to distributors that make direct comparisons hard.

>>52002642
You already have Conspiracy for your EDH draft set.