Modern Masters Spoilers thread

>>51989622
Why so much collector hate, /tg/?

>>51989622
We'll find out tomorrow when full spoiler hits, famalam

>>51989622
>tfw I won't get to use this new serum visions and gitaxian probe in the same deck
Feels bad desu

>>51989622
Fitchen Kinks

>>51989622

$300 and climbing. You faggots WILL have to put up with hoarding and price gouging.

>>51989655
If they do it I'd really be happy

noble hierarch is a shoe-in

>>51989640
Because collectors ruin eternal formats for the actual players.

They hoard pieces to a children's card game thinking they're the wolf of wall street when they're actually just making the game harder for people to play.

>>51989640
Because they care more about the value of their cards than actually playing the game with them.

>>51989651
It's alright bruh, you'll never see them in the same deck anymore

;_;

>>51989666
You mean 300 and falling you stupid fucking bitch, I jerk off to the thought of you losing money on this
>>51989671
Nah it's not though

>>51989672
>Because collectors ruin eternal formats for the actual players.
But I am an actual player.

>>51989680
>Because they care more about the value of their cards than actually playing the game with them.
Not necessarily. If I had to choose between collecting and playing, I'd easily choose playing. Collecting is just sort of a side gig for me.

>>51989655
>>51989667
Given that Bant is Bant Blinks, there's a decent chance they'll find their way in.

>>51989705
Let me rephrase.

You ruin it for OTHER players because you want to play baby's first stock trades

>>51989720
I don't really trade or sell much. I mostly just hoard and admire.

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>tfw MTG is going the same way as Yugioh

RIP

>>51989759
Why is it a bad thing for cards to be accessible?

>>51989759
>80 dollars over MSRP
OY FUCKING VEY GOYIM ITS ANUDDAH SHOAH ILL BE BANKRUPTED! HOW WILL I AFFORD A NICE MATZA BALL FOR DA SABBATH?

>>51989759
I don't think we're ever gonna see Tarmogoyf tins.

>>51989771
>implying they are not accessible as is
get a job

>>51989799
>60 (Sixty) dollars for a piece of cardboard that sees play in the sideboard of a couple modern decks
>Acessible

>>51989666
Wizards stated they will be printing 5x as many of this as mm15.....and mm15 is still readily available at or below msrp.

>>51989799
Why is it wrong to have decks at a reasonable price?

Why is it alright to have a card game that has an entry cost of a small car?

>>51989824
>Wizards stated
Source?

>>51989799
Paying more than 20 dollars for a card is stupid as hell no matter how much money you have.

>>51989622
You know what they could print to make this perfect?

Ancestral Vision

>>51989887
Ancestral Vision at rare

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>>51989887
This tbqh - that will mean all overpriced pieces of Grixis Control will be out there.

Shame it will never happen.

>mfw jund gets most of its key pieces reprinted whereas my shitty control deck will fade into obscurity

>>51989908
Is this porn?

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>Mishras bauble $40
OY VEY

>>51989824

Then I just hoard more. Storage space is pretty cheap for me.

>>51989824
>and mm15 is still readily available at or below msrp.
Because there is zero demand for it. But 5x is quite a lot. I hope it's enough.

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>>51989860
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>>51989819
>>51989799
>>51989771
>>51989759
>>51989666
>>51989640
Real talk here, hear me niggas I have a honest question for /tg/.

These Modern Masters reprints seem pretty amazing, but what's the point when the Modern scene is being reduced more and more?

There's less premiere events, Modern nats got canned, and basically everything is getting turned into Standard events, like the event in Las Vegas that always was a modern tournament.

Personally on my country, the ONLY big modern events were 2 Nationals, and Wizards killed them and we now only have a single Standard tournament.

Honestly what's the point of spending $1000 or $500 on a competitive modern deck just to play Locals?
I beat that 90% of the players in /tg/ also don't even attend to tournaments even if they were hosted near their cities.

I ask again, so yeah reprints and cheaper cards but for what?

>>51989934
No it isn-
>it actually is
Well, there goes my chances at getting this until mm21

>>51989933
Anything is porn when you're brave enough.

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What's up goys, I mean guys! Rudy here. AMA.

>>51989968
Because we enjoy playing the game and are clearly willing to pay money for reprints.

>>51989985
Who are you exactly? I have no idea who you are.

>>51989968

I think lack of Modern events was a feint designed to curb expectations and deter speculation, just like the crappy box art.

>>51989968
So I can't want some of the best cards if I don't compete in torments?

>>51989968
>Honestly what's the point of spending $1000 or $500 on a competitive modern deck just to play Locals?
I'm not spending that much to beat up locals. I already have everything in Modern.

>>51989985
>he thought the lack of hype around MM17 was distributors were burned by EM restock and not the players being pissed about MM15

He has his head pretty far up his own ass.

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>>51989968
Because I'm a crack addict AND I CANT FUCKING STOP BUYING BOXES/PACKS TO OPEN THEM


SEND FUCKING HELP

>>51990006
Some trust fund baby who LARPs Wolf of Wall Street with mtg cards

>>51989968
Because the next 6 months or so is going to be the best and maybe last window to buy these cards at a near-reasonable price.

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>>51990087

Salty as fuck. He's making money with your hobby and could probably build any deck he wanted.

Guys, what if the print run lasts for over 6 months? What will happen to the secondary market?

>>51990087
This is the most accurate description of MtG """""Finance""""""" I've ever seen.

As someone who works in law and spent a lot of time working in acquisition finance, every time I hear these faggots talking about it I want to gouge out their eyes.

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>>51989985
How do I make 5 figures a month off of the mentally enfeebled like you do?

>>51990154
He donates to himself

>>51990154
Patreon is the biggest cancer in the 1st world.

>>51990154
What are these people paying him for?

>>51990176
>he can write off his own donations to himself as both charitable donations AND business expenses

Genius.

>>51990176

That's likely.

>>51990154
that's unreal

>>51990186
Existing. Just like with every patreon ever.

>>51990124
>He's making money with your hobby

Why the patreon account then? Do you think Warren Buffett has one to make ends meet?

>>51990124
But he's not building any decks because he's an autist who only plays with cards from before 1995. He rarely opens boosters because it "loses their value", even for dead fucking games. He's not even willing to waste six fucking dollars to show the cards from a card game nobody even knows exists

>>51990209

Have you ever seen the Monty Python skit about donating to charity?

It's like that.

>>51990186
Getting cheap mtg boxes? afaik, he sells boxes for 80 to his patrons.

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>>51990039
>So I can't want some of the best cards if I don't compete in tournaments?*

fixed for you

>Because the next 6 months or so is going to be the best and maybe last window to buy these cards at a near-reasonable price.

>I'm not spending that much to beat up locals BUT....

Of course, you can do whatever you want guys, you're free to buy several boxes and singles, Im not debating that, Im just trying to see the point of it.

For example you could with enough money hire people to throw excrement at each other, and the winner gets to shit on your mouth.
But does that makes sense?
It's practical?
Of course not....

I see buying expensive Modern cards in the same way, you use $1000 or more to create a deck, and if you don't go to premiere events you're stuck playing once or twice a week with other 7 seven guys that you may or not like.
Probably the same guys, every week.

At that point wouldn't make more sense to spend the $1000 on something else and just print the cards you want with a cheap printer? You're not playing in a premiere event, so who would give a fuck?

Is this some white person ego thing?
I just don't understand, I have enough money to go and buy an Abzan or Jund deck right now in SCG, but I can't see the point of using $1000 decks to play locals.

Is just seems like nonsense when there's no high end stakes to move the gears.
I would totally approve if Modern was the main format and Wizards wasn't trying to kill it...

>>51990226
>plays with cards from before 1995

He doesn't know how to play. He has shown this in many occasions.

>>51990266
>just print the cards you want with a cheap printer? who would give a fuck?


Why even print them? Write the name of each card on a piece of paper and put them in a plastic bag. Every time you draw a card, pull a piece of paper from the bag.

People buy cards because the immense majority of players will not accept playing against proxies.

>>51989968
More affordable cards are about the only way to revive the format and get more players involved in it

>>51990259
He sold CN2 and SOI for $70. Aether Revolt this month for $80.

>>51990278
Show me three examples or forever be labeled a shitposting faggot.

>>51990320
So they pay the same for a booster box and just donate money every month, fascinating.

>>51989651
Could play Atraxa in EDH ^3^

>>51990338
Never underestimate the stupidity of people that get caught up in a trend. See: Silly Bandz and similar items.

>>51990336
Knock yourself out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8zv8irGIvU

>>51990338
Really? show me where to get a box for 70, s&h included.
>inb4 muh local shoppe can't give prove

>>51990369
That's one. Two more.

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>he hates someone just for being successful

>>51990369
Does he fucking enjoy this? Why doesn't he spend his money on a boat or a fucking snowmobile? Jesus christ.

>>51990427
>successful

Probably not related, but it's wrong that my standards of successful is someone like Bill Gates?

Someone with so much money and power that you can just do nothing at all and your life would go perfect anyway?

I can't see as successful someone who still has to work to survive.

>>51990383
But you're still paying for the discounted price. It comes out to be a wash anyways.

>>51990454
Those are big words for someone holed up in mummy's basement

>>51989622
lol, a shitty ponder/preordain at uncommon. What a joke.

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>>51990454

>>51990369
>>51990438
Did you guys know that Robert Downey Jr. isn't actually Iron Man? Blew my mind when I found out.

>>51990469
I don't even get what you're going here. So for a $10 patreon fee, you want booster boxes for free?

>>51990406
What would be the fucking point? You just watched a 20 minute rundown of his "awesome" deck where he clearly shows he doesn't know how to play beyond the very basics. What else do you need?

I know it is hard to swallow that your internet boyferendu is a mong, but there's more fish in the sea. Before you know it, you'll be sucking some other guys dick while he takes your money.

>>51990501
>Aether Revolt box on eBay ~$95
Gosh, I don't want to spend that much!
>Aether Revolt box from (((Rudy))) ~$80
What a great price! Never mind that my $15 Patreon fee makes it the same price as eBay, Rudy is truly my greatest ally!

So we're lowering the cost of modern, great.

Now how do we keep investors from ruining standard?

>pay money to Rudy every month to get a minor discount on product you may or may not buy that month
>it looks like he is the one who chooses which boxes go on sale, so you probably won't want what he has up, but still gotta pay
>no clue what the minimum dollar sacrifice is to get this, but probably enough you could have gotten the one box you DO want with it after about a year
I sorta understand places like Costco where you pay to unlock a discount on shit you actually need constantly, like food (I've never shopped there but I imagine food is nice). But how often do you need a booster box? How often do you get the one you need? This seems like a horrific deal.

>>51990454
It's okay. Any day now, your balls will drop and you will see life in a different way.

>>51990517
>[Autistic Screeching Intensifies]

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>>51989968
for commander, the best eternal format
snapcaster and goyf at mythic are just ploys to get stupid modern players to buy boxes and lower prices on the REAL reprints, like hoof-daddy and damnation.

>>51990480
>>51990487
>>51990544
Im not the same dude trying to shit talk the streamer, I haven't seen his videos or anything.

I just mentioned it because sometimes I can't relax or chill, not even sleep, because I feel anxiety over things like losing economic stability which would lead to losing my apartment, job, car, etc.

I think I will not be able to sleep well or enjoy things until I get so much money that my life is solved even without working. I think it's because that means I am successful.

So I was asking, it's bad that something like that means successful to me?

I have 2 savings account and some other money hidden in case something goes really wrong, but it's not enough.
My mind doesn't let go of the anxiety.

>>51990543
Costco is basically the exact same idea, you pay a membership fee to get bulk products (not better, just bulk) at a discount rate. The difference is Costco doesn't limit you to one product a month, they have huge stores and you can buy as much shit as you want, so its easy to end up paying less than you would at a normal store even with the membership cost. Also, the membership cost can be paid off by purchasing items from the store. If you do your normal grocery shopping at Costco every week, you'll never pay a membership fee beyond the first.

>>51990533
>entering rudy's patreon and only buying one booster box
You have an allotment of a case and you only buy one booster box? Well, i dunno, sounds like you're the stupid one.

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>>51990595
See that guy lying down? That should be you a couple days a week.

>>51989666
Getting a box for 270aud

>>51990087
You sure love that movie anon

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>>51990609
>he spends $500 a month on cardboard
>he pays someone a monthly subscription to then pay that same person $500 a month

>>51990648

How much is that in real money?

>>51990634
lol white people baka

>>51990679
About 220 Trumps.

What a shit thread.

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>>51990736

>>51989666

Nice try Rudy, WOTC has our back on this one. Player #s are down, they are going to be actively fucking over investors until this changes.

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>>51989622
So what card (so far) is your personal target?
Pic related, I've need a copy for some time.

>>51990657
>he's a poorfag

>>51990736
this tbqh famalamadingdong

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REPRINT
NOBLE
FUCKING
HIERARCH

>>51990762
Cavern probably, and a playset of that new art Serum Visions.

>>51990762
Cavern, just wish it didn't get mythic-bumped.

>>51990758
Anon, please, let's not get ahead of ourselves. This Masters set is better than any of us hoped, for sure, but that doesn't necessarily change the fact that WotC are filthy jews.

>>51990784
its coming tomorrow

>>51990762
get my final copy for a playset of Blood Moons, then bitch out and just get all foil Blood Moons

Complete my playset of foil Death's Shadows

pick up some Craterhoofs and Damnations for EDH

>>51990762
I wanna pick myself up a few craterhoofs for my completely competitive, tier one green devotion deck

HEY GUYS DESOLATOR MAGIC HERE

>>51990825

Even filthy Jews know they need goyim like us to keep playing their game.

>>51990762
I also kind of want a playset of the new art Terminates, because fuck Sun Titans

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>>51990856

>>51989827
>a small car
>small

>>51989968
Modern is dying because decks cost thousands to build and maintain, and wizards rotates the format, meaning there's no advantage over standard. Also, the format is really fucking unsatisfying to play in, because Tron is a thing, and every deck besides tron is just uninteractive aggro, with maybe 5% playing control.

Wizards doesn't want to reprint cards in ways that will help allievate the first problem, because they're scared of alienating store owners by reducing the value of their stock. So they'll just keep distributing modern masters boxes to store owners at 100 bucks a box, and allow the storeowners to charge 300 bucks for a box with a like 1/16 chance of having a tarmogoyf in it.

There's also the problem of Standard. For whatever reason, Wizards hasn't figured out that they could easily just make any card printed in a modern masters set modern legal. So to get a card like counterspell, or cabal therapy in modern, we'd have to have those cards go through a standard rotation, which would not be a good idea.

So basically, modern is killed, because players don't like the idea of investing thousands in a deck that could be banned and the format sucks to play in because wizards can't into sane reprinting policies.

>>51990087
i laughed

>>51990736
Yeah well the spoiler season is basically over at this point, so we're back to bitching pointlessly with each other, whaddya gonna do about it, that's the way it's always been on every board, whether it's /co/, /v/, /vp/ or /tg/.

It was fun autistically spazzing out with you guys while it lasted though, haven't had this much actual fun.

Hop we all crack great stuff and have a great draft experience with MM17!

>>51990976
You too, Anon. Fighting for that foil Goyf.

>>51990976
>great draft experience
Not if I can help it goyim

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The power level looks pretty nuts for a draft, I can already tell I'm gonna enjoy this

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>>51989934
>moysha's bauble

>>51990976
Was wondering, how many rares have been spoiled? Are these all of the rares already?

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>>51989934
>$40
Not anymore anon Mythic Uncommon

>>51989934
What the fuck

Why? What even uses it?

>>51991073
It's used in Death's shadow Jund which is the hot new deck and is occasionally used in Lantern Control as well as Temur delver.

>>51989651
((pauper))

>>51991066
Please secondary market please fuck my ass hole god I love it

>>51991063
30 ish rares out of the usual ~50 have been spoiled.

You already preordered your MM17 box right?

You did preorder them when they were at $180 right? Please tell me you did it. They are at $240 now.

>>51991101
>Poorper

>>51989622
Engineered explosives pleeeeeeeeease

>>51991101
>Playing Serum Visions in Pauper

W-why? I play Pauper specifically so I DON'T need to bother about Serum Visions.

>>51989759
By reprinting all the good stuff a few years later to keep prices in check? Seems like a good thing, considering cards in MTG's non-rotating formats are invalidated by the power creep like Yugioh's are. Tarmogoyf is still a high value competitive card, Dark Armed Dragon isn't.

>>51991129
Got mine cancelled :D

>>51991129
I paid retail because my owner increases the cost on limited MTG product based on interest, and the MTG crowd here is too lazy to drive out to express that interest before FNM. He is getting anywhere between zero and 25 pre-orders this Friday for that reason.

>>51989968
M O D O

>>51990951
jund and junk make like 11% of the meta plus theres eldrazi tron and bant eldrazi. last time i went to fnm i got stomped playing affinity by uw control

the meta is not bad, i dont know why people want control decks to be 40% of the meta like in legacy

>>51991117
Ah, so still alot of dregs they haven't spoiled yet.

>>51989622
I don't see the hype train for this. The higher allocation is the only difference between this and MM15, and magic markets don't work like normal ones - see shit like Cloudstone Curio and Warren Instigator. There's still a ton of jank rares. Cards are gonna crater in price that should have been cheap in the first place, which I'm happy for, but the format is still dull, the format still has little support, and speculators will just buy out other key cards in decks and call it a day. In a vacuum it's GREAT, but with the state of the format as it is and the constant history of the secondary market pretty much being price fixed, I expect key cards in decks to go up - fastlands, Eidolon of the Great Revel, maybe even shocks

>>51991136
Pssh, you're just salty because it took you several times the amount just to own and play Delver, Elfball, Affinity, Burn, Reanimator and Tron in Modern and yet you STILL can't cast a good counterspell and/or Ponder and Preordain.

Face it, Pauper has strictly better spells than Modern at this point.

>>51990469
$80 is still less than $99.99

>>51991185
I've noticed that a lot of people that play legacy just dislike modern and want to turn it into legacy lite and boost control to a dominate position. I'm not saying control doesn't need a bone but we sure as fuck don't need something like miracles taking up 15% of the meta.

>>51989759
You mean L5R? Shit commons and uncommon in Standard with rares and mythics being key. Magic packs are like Pokemon packs - you open it, keep the rare and Supporter and chuck the rest.

>>51990762
If Auriok Champion and Serra Ascendant are in, I'm getting 4x each plus 4x Rangers for Meme Sisters.
If not, just Stony Silence and Grizzldizzl.

>>51991145
I'm not saying you should, just that you could

>>51991219
What if you don't want to buy that month's box? $15 wasted, fuckboy.

>>51991247
I agree. blue is arguably the weakest color in modern and id love for more hard counters and top of the library manipulation to see play but it makes sense that wotc are afraid of pushing blue after looking at legacy.

I actually have a feeling that we might see JTMS unbanned in the next announcement. you heard it here guys.

>>51991253

People like you are why it's easy to pick up 50 copies of Fatal Push/Aether Hub in a night.

>tfw you only want two cards and the rest of the set can go fuck itself

Damnation and Bonfire, c'mon.

>>51991063
20 more.
All artifacts have been shown save one between Boros Signet and Dimir Signet and maybe one before Azorius Signet so no Ensnaring Bridge, Oblivion Stone or Mishra's Bauble.
All lands have been spoiled save one that must start with S, so no Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Cavern or Urza Lands.
There's 46-48 more multicolor cards in the set.
13 more white cards in the set.
17 more blue cards in the set.
19 more black cards in the set.
20 more red cards in the set.
21 more green cards in the set.

I'm personally rooting for Lord of Atlantis, Darkness, Funeral Charm, Electrolize, Maelstrom Pulse, Aven Mindscensor, Kitchen Finks and Meddling Mage.

And Avoid Fate to keep molesting MaRo's precious color pie.

>>51991412
>bonfire
It's fuckin 4 dollars

>>51991129
Got two for $330 and my store kept the price because I was the only one that preordered and they're getting 192 boxes.

>>51989622

Ancestral Visions.

I guarantee it. So far the colors that have been spoiled the most has one bomb mythic and then a ridiculously good rare except white.

>Black
Lilly
Damnation

>Red
Blood Moon
Goblin Guide

>Green
Goyf
??

>Blue
Snapcaster
???

>White
White doesn't have a lot of main board bombs like the other colors because its mostly a sideboard catchall.

>>51991459
192

Well fuck that must be a big LGS

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>They also unban Stoneforge Mystic

>>51990154
his patreon site is basically just a cheap(-ish?) mtg store. it's not like he get 17k a month to his own pocket

>>51991481
Yeah fucking right.

>>51991459
>a huge LGS getting 192 boxes of preorders
>i'm the only one who bought it
You posted on the wrong place, this isn't the LARPing thread.

>>51991469
Not really, word is every Advanced store gets 12 cases from Wizards plus whatever they get from distributors. And a friend who is a store but not really got offered 32 cases by one of his distributors.

This print run is at least 5 times the size of MM17.

>>51991523
Point is my store isn't huge. The WotC allotment is.
And I'm not the only one who bought it, I'm the only one who paid for it before spoilers.

>>51991547
Correct. My LGS owner has just confirmed they have 11 cases left available for preorder

>>51991547

What the absolute fuck ever, MM17 is already oversold.

Will buying a box of this shit be worth it?

>>51991428
>Funeral Charm
You terrified me for a minute there anon.

I like the card and I have my playset in my binder of useful cards, but I remember it being like a dollar.

For a moment I thought the jews found an excuse to inflate the price to $20 or something.

>>51991762
180-200-220, maybe still worth it. Don't recommend getting higher than that though.

>>51991783
>275 at my lgs
WElp

>>51991648
No. Bury it in to the ground. Goyf to be $1 bulk rare

>>51991374
The occasional good uncommon doesn't change the fact that out of 15 cards in a pack, 11 of them at best are going in the trash.

>>51991822
250 is still worth it provided that you like draft because imo, the price premium is worth the fun you'll be having.
275 though, nooooooooooooope.

>>51991762
If you want to play it, of fucking course.
If you want to be a jew, first kill yourself, second unless you get it under $180 you're losing money because card prices will crash harder than EMA.

>>51991763
I just want it in Modern borders so faggots will stop calling the judge when I play it like they don't know what the purple hourglass rarity symbol mean.

>>51991928
I know the feeling. They called judge all the time when I played my Stronghold edition copies of Ensnaring Bridge. That was back when the card was a few dollars and before lantern made it the meme card of the month.

>>51991966
>they called the judge on my stronghold bridges
Does that still happen at all? I switched over to stronghold for the better art+black border but I never thought I'd have to deal with that.

>>51991986
No. That was back when the only deck that played bridge was 8rack and the average player at FNM hadn't heard of it. Ever since lantern control, they've started recognizing the name.

>>51991360
The problem is that even with the best blue counters and deck stacking it still isn't enough for how strong the threats in modern are. JTMS might be a good place to start. I think now is a good time considering that most of the meta couldn't splash blue for whatever wizards gave us.

>>51991428
The last land is either Shimmering Grotto or Seraph's Sanctuary since it must specifically sit between Selesnya and Simic. There's an argument to be made for Seraph's Sanctuary (Bant Blink) but my money is honestly on Shimmering Grotto.

>>51990762
Blood Moon to complete my Skred Red, Snapcaster Mage so I can sell it and buy Innistrad artwork Snapcaster Mage, Tarmogoyf so I can try a green deck for the first time in my life. If I pull a Cavern, it's Merfolk time.

i'd like to see goyf finally fall in price this time, seeing as i've never been able to play green in an eternal format due to not owning him

>>51992122
He was nearly $200 when MM2 came out. Now he's $120.

>>51992210

He was just over 100 before mm1 came out. Context.

>>51992053
Control or any midrange deck that aims to play for longer than 4 turns isn't fundamentally unplayable because threats are too strong. it's fundamentally unplayable because Tron resets their board in turn 3-4 consistently and it's popular enough that you're aiming to lose at least one round per tournament.

The second Tron fucks off we'll see Mono Black Devotion, Faeries, BUG Midrange, Mardu Midrange, WU Titan and American/Grixis Control become contenders.

>>51992318
But Tron helps keep the format healthy :^)

>>51992378
I play Burn, I lubricate my cock with Karn and Ugin's tears. But Tron is still a cancer on the format, decks that could easily force Infect, Burn, Affinity and Shadow to take it slow and think what the fuck they're doing or get fucked, just auto-lose to Tron. So the format stays turbomode.

Tron keeps the format stupid.

>>51990762
All I pretty much play is edh. That being said I pulled a Liliana way back in Innistrad days and traded her off like the stupid ass I was. So I mainly want her back. Craterhoof because I'm a sucker for big Timmy cards and Hoof is like the Holy Grail. One of each fetch for my decks and a Tarmogoyf not because of price but I adore it's art. Probably can just buy just those singles for the price of a box if they go down some.

>>51990580
Commander is bad and you should feel bad for liking it.

>>51991464
I believe Ancestral is already out from the number crunch. The first blue card is Augur of Bolas. I guess that could change if the amount of cards of each color was wrong.

>>51992575

Damn didn't realize that, what a bummer. Oh well the set list is still amazing.

So what's left on everyone's wishlists?
Here's the number crunch for those wondering what's out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XFq8oiGSxdwFzbEtkVJA8uWKQ7aknrAHdfOilKTDtDo/edit?usp=drivesdk

I'm gunning for Cavern of Souls and more burn.

>>51992575
Are there any good cards we can somewhat accurately predict from the remaining gaps in the number crunch?

>>51993004
Cavern has been spoiled

>>51993004
Caverns already been spoiled ya dumb cuck.

>>51993036
>>51993032
Shit, I meant Crucible of Worlds. Fuck me.

>>51993004
>Abyssal Spector 59
>Bone Splinters 60

Damn. I was hoping for Bloodghast. Oh well. Can't win 'em all.

>>51989622
>decent fucking serum visions art
Fuckin sick.

>>51989666
bought 4 boxes on massdrop for $180 US each shipped

WHERE THE FUCK IS COLLECTED COMPANY

>>51993318
lmao enjoy getting them for Christmas

>>51993004
Noble Hierarch is the big one. I think anathemancer would be cool.

>>51990454
rudy is more successful than trump or other trust fund babies

Space between Primal and Scavenging might be Scapeshift.

Might also be a lot of things, in draft there's nothing to Scapeshift into.

>>51993323
Too new

>>51993323
Not eligible for MM3. It will also be bought out by the Facebook group in about two weeks. Get your copies now before they shoot up to $40 a pop due to scarcity.

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G-guys. Is the speculator cabal a real thing?

>>51992462
Tarmogoyf is super bad in commander unless it's Saskia 1v1.

If they keyworded the goyf ability it'd be literally a french vanilla creature in wrath land.

>>51989968
Should help tank prices on MODO, no problem finding games there.

>>51993005
The remaining artifact can be Crucible of Worlds, Chromatic Lanterm, Chromatic Star, Coalition Relic, Chalice of the Void, Coat of Arms, Darksteel Forge, Defense Grid, .

It could also be Civic Sabre.

>>51993507
I'll bet you Reddit Gold it's Chalice.

>>51993520
I hope it's Crucible

>>51993507
>>51993520
>>51993524
I know we want Crucible or Chalice, but I am genuinely okay even if it's just Chromatic Star, that shit is also pretty overpriced at the moment.

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>>51993004
>wants to buy in RG Titanshift
>zero cards got spoiled
>ZERO

If Scapeshift doesn't make it in, i'll' be very afraid of getting Rudy'd out the market big time.

>>51993535
>getting Rudy'd
What did he mean by this?

>>51993533
Yeah, $3 could get me a Chinaman Goyf. Overpriced Chromatic Star shit. It's going to be Chromatic Lantern.

Liliana's Caress to go with all these specters?

>>51993545
Not him and not a (((rudy))), but looking at past MM sets whatever doesn't get reprinted fucking skyrockets and does not go down ever. Cavern of Souls as an example doubled in price after it was shown to not get a reprint.

>>51989622
That serum visions art is atrocious, but not as bad as the semen visions one....

I'm betting on either mana rock or the saber. Crucible in a limited with fetchlands is ruder than just pulling your cock off and telling the table to suck it.

>>51993594

It should be illegal to have taste this shit

>>51989968
Standard is at an all time low.
Seems pretty obvious why they would let Modern hang out for a bit. It's doing fine. They want to rebuild standard

>>51993593
>not a (((rudy)))
I'm not going to lie to you. I'm fucking stupid. Please explain this meme to me. Your actual point is solid. If it isn't Crucible or Chalice, those cards are going to go through the fucking roof.

>>51993593
Cavern could not have gotten a reprint until now because MM1 was 8TH-ARB and MM2 was 8TH-NPH. They add two blocks each year and Cavern was from AVR.

>>51993625
It's Desolator being a bitch because he's not relevant anymore. Even MTGLion is less repelent nowadays.

>>51993656
>Desolator
>MTGLion
Are these tripfags?

>>51993637
Could have printed it in EMA, Commander, Conspiracy etc

>>51989622
Is it worth buying a box? These boxes are expensive as fuck.

I want one to draft with but at that price only if I at minimum get what I put into it out of it. There are a TON of bottom of the bin cards at rare already.

>>51989640
Because this is a GAME. WotC really should set up some kind of program or something that keeps any card from going higher than 10usd.

>>51989685
>I jerk off to the thought of you losing money on this

Will never happen. They just wait. To put it into perspective Dark Ascension is now making investors 100% profit. If its never what they want in the short term they just wait.

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>>51993682
THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS YOU FUCKING TIMMY

>>51992422
Banning Karn would do a world of good for the format. It would keep things like Wurmcoil and Ugin available and mostly fair, without allowing them to completely rip apart control decks.

>>51989968
I get them to draft with because I fucking hate the low power of standard legal drafts. Also EDH.

>>51993700
But it could be. Just set up a system where when ever a card that is out of print spikes up high they just order full sheets of the thing and sell them as singles directly from the WotC website.

>>51993717
Not really.
Then they lose support from Channel Fireball, SCG and the like.
Those are the guys with the good coverage and articles keeping MtG alive.

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>>51993717
Let's just get rid of the flippin' Reserve List while we're at it! Jesus Christ Timmy take a business class.

>>51993737
I would like that. The powers deserve some reprints. They should make a reprint set of all the most powerful cards so you can draft with them like they did on their online client. Sounds fun. I would pay for that.

>>51993669
You missed the sub-$200 gravy train, unfortunately. At MSRP I would not expect guaranteed profit out of a box, but it is still very, very possible with all the big money rares and foils adding up (there's a 1/5 chance of pulling a >$20 rare from a pack, I believe, and there's a handful of fantastic uncommons).

Depending on how much a personal draft experience is worth to you, you could buy a box, or just draft at your LGS. It's more of a personal needs and wants question at this point.

>>51991213

The reason some people are getting their hopes up is that enemy color fetchlands as rares mean the rare slot actually has a lot of value now and you don't necessarily need to crack a mythic to get something that costs more than the booster.

>>51993747
>Oh yea I'd totally pay money to do that thing that they already did on their online client.

Then just fucking draft vintage cube on MODO you fuckwit.

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>>51993747
Well of COURSE you would pay money for that. Who wouldn't! You're really toeing the line Timmy. But that's okay. Sit down over there and let old Uncle Rudy teach you how to walk all over again.

>>51993776
Well I got a reserved 219usd box on hold for me if I want it. Its just 200 is a fucking lot. I could buy a new deck with that. I dont want profit I just want to break even.

>>51993779
I only play with physical cards.

>>51993785
See your talking about business but I don't see how that makes WotC money. They get nothing from the secondary market. Wouldn't they make more money by you know playing to the secondary market themselves and reaping all the money?

>>51993807
Go talk to the Chinaman.

>>51993820
I tried but I could never find a seller with good quality. At the quality I was seeing I may as well just use slips of paper taped over a land.

>>51993717
>>51993747

>"I hate local game stores and want them all to die"
>"Also just end all vendor sponsored events while you're at it, who needs 'em?"
t. literally you

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>>51993817
>they get nothing from the secondary market
Timmy, now I know you're yanking my chain.

>>51993841

You don't need to LARP as Rudy, you know.

>>51993795
You're probably fine considering all the bombshell rares, but I can't predict the exact contents of your box for you. Just either sell your cards on release month or sit on them for a year if you want to really maximize your returns.

>>51993849
>Guy buys box for 180
>Hold it until he can sell box for 300
>WotC gets whatever they sell boxes for and guy gets 120

When it could be
>WotC prints more boxes
>Sells them for 200 when the secondary market reaches 300
>Players win with cheaper product
>WotC makes 200
>The only one that "loses" is the investor who now only makes 20 which is STILL a profit

>>51993817
Cards don't just materialize out of nowhere.
To get a specific mythic you need to open aprox. 110 boosters. SCG put 40 copies of each mythic for presale.

The REAL secondary market is what keeps the game alive. But we really do need to get rid of faggots who think they'll pay their mortage by hiding an EMA box for 10 years, those faggots only keep people from playing and make life harder for actual stores.

>>51989640
>Why so much collector hate, /tg/?

I don't hate collectors. Collectors are good boys, dindu nuffin wrong. I hate investors, which are very different from collectors, even though they're often nonsensically lumped together. An investor is cancer whose goal is to make money by driving up the price of cards and thus the cost of playing the game. A collector is just somebody who wants to own the cards and would rather have them be cheap and plentiful, not rare and expensive, because he never intends to sell a single card from his collection.

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>>51993703

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>>51993884
Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. That isn't how any of this works. Look at Johnson here >>51993887 . Johnson knows what he's doing and that's why he's paid the big bucks. Do you think Star City or Uncle Rudy would keep buying Magic product if Wizards sent us to Poundtown whenever prices sailed a little over Timmy's head? Of course not! They need a good, no, a GREAT relationship with their sellers, and your little idea undercuts everything. It's anarchy!
.

>>51993901
>and would rather have them be cheap and plentiful
As a collector, there's nothing special with owning a collection of cheap and plentiful items. The entire point of having a collection is that it contains something rare and expensive.

>>51992499
no you

>set has shit reprints

WIZARDS FUCKED IT ON PURPOSE TO KILL MODERN

>set has amazing reprints

WIZARDS FUCKED IT FOR COLLECTORS, FORMAT'S DYING

You fucks are never satisfied.

>>51993625
((())) comes from /pol/ IIRC where it's essentially calling someone a buzzword like jew, but they have to make it complex for some reason.

Rudy is a fagbag who invests in MTG like it's the stock market. and gives people dumb advice.

>>51993925
Go back to looking at your Criptolyths Desolator. Everyone knows Rudy is crying on the bus to Hosetown cause he didn't order enough MM3.

>>51993952

As a collector, I disagree. The entire point of having a collection is just that: having a collection. When I see a thing, I want all of that thing, purely for the sake of having it.

>>51993961

I'm pretty sure everybody here Rudyposting is just a memester having the ol' ironic laugh. Everyone who plays the game wants as many reprints as possible.

>>51993952
There's nothing rare about industrial items. True collectors collect test prints, uncut sheets, missprints, miscuts and ironically signatures which mark the cards as instantly "damaged" for (((investors))).

>>51993884
This is totally what they should be doing

How long should I wait to buy singles before they start going up again? A month? 2 if I really want to push it?

>>51993964
It actually comes from Google and signals someone as a jew "ally", whatever that means.
/pol/ caught on imediately, started using it for memes and Google stopped using it.

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>>51990762

One set each of the fetchlands.

Sets of:

Blood Moon
Gifts Ungiven
Cavern of Souls
Liliana of the Veil
Stony Silence
Damnation
Inquisition of Kozilek
Path to Exile

So it's gonna be an expensive set for me, I'll probably wait a month or two before getting in.

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>>51993967
Wasn't that yesterday's video?

>>51990648
Fucking where tell me

>>51994010
Depends on the card.
>FOW
Flagship mythic money ticket.
Bottomed 3 months in and started rising from there.
>Deathrite Shaman
The most used rare in Legacy.
Bottomed 4 months in and flatlined
>Entomb
Excellent 4x card in some decks and popular Commander combo piece that was ridiculously expensive because of scarcity.
Hasn't stopped falling.
>Sinkhole
Casual darling that was overpriced because of scarcity.
Hasn't stopped falling.

Judge what kind of card are those that you want and buy accordingly. I expect Lilly, Cavern, Goyf and Snapcaster to follow the FOW patter. The fetchlands Goblin Guide and Blood Moon to follow the Deathrite pattern. And pretty much everything else to work as Entomb/Sinkhole.

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>>51994022

>>51990762

I'm going to do the same thing I did with the previous Masters sets, I'm going to open one (1) pack (not box, not case, one pack) and see if I get lucky. Then no matter what happens I'll stop, because gambling shouldn't become a habit.

>>51994022

How the fuck did a do-nothing uncommon ever become 50 dollars

I can see it for Aether Vial because Ather Vial is obviously strong but a fucking peek effect with delayed cycing, wtf

>>51990951
Since when does Modern rotate, and since when does Modern Masters include cards that aren't legal in Modern?

>>51994057
It's no one's fault but his own, distributors were trying to get rid of this set like we were playing hot potato because it's print run is 5x that of MM2, but now everyone wants to pretend they didn't have a chance to order it by the shit ton.
My store got 44 cases total and only 15 boxes sold for our $175 presale so we get to unload a bunch on ebay to undercut faggots and keep some to draft with the loyal locals at MSRP.

>>51994116
>he still doesn't understand the power of a zero cost artifact

>>51994057
I love the definitions he puts into every video's description box

>>51994122
>Since when does Modern rotate

Modern doesn't strictly speaking rotate, but Wizards will periodically ban the top decks just because they are the top decks. That's functionally very similar to a rotation.

>>51994116
It's because Deaths Shadow is that fucking good

>>51994122
>since when does Modern Masters include cards that aren't legal in Modern?

He means that WotC could put cards into modern that have never been legal in standard, by simply printing them in a Modern Masters set and saying that any card that's printed in a Modern Masters set is modern legal even if that card was never standard legal. Hence, you could introduce something like Cabal Therapy to modern without having to worry about breaking standard.

>>51994201
And Wizards could reprint the RL. What's your point?

>>51994244

The point is, I believe, that WotC has plenty of tools they could use to maintain the health of the Modern format that they're not using and the reason is that they're actively uninterested in the health of Modern.

>>51994272
WotC is actively uninterested in the player's at all. If Rosewater had his way, every card would be on display in a gallery and people would pay $65 a ticket to go look at them and circlejerk over how each wing of the gallery is a different color.

>>51993467
He said he adores the art, not that he's going to use it. I have one just for keeps too so I understand where he's coming from. I wouldn't mind picking up a foil one now if the price drops hard enough. There's just something special about owning such a format defining card in your hands.

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>>51991129
I got one for $170 on the day the box art was revealed, then the fucking nigger I was buying it from deleted his account and the item's page. I doubt he's actually selling it to me, so I sent in a refund request. Now I have to wait for either an account that doesn't exist on ebay to respond to my message or wait a whole week for an automatic refund to go through.

Really wish I had enough money leftover to buy a box now, that jump up to $200+ is more than I have without the money from the first box. I'm not even angry, just disappointed that I'm gonna miss out on this great set. It's shaping up to be the big one we were all waiting for, huh guys?

Full set reveal today ?

Where my modern dredge cards at?

>>51994511
Apparently

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>>51994199
now that i think about it, mishra bauble is still a decent replace for probe in infect deck...

>>51994545
>one card
>whole hand

>>51994562
meh....makes anyway two of the three jobs of probe: fill the graveyard for BI, draw a card

>>51994615
Not meh. The information was the reason it was banned, not because it was a free cycle

>>51994545
Just play Surgicals, like god intended

>>51994645
no, it was banned because of too much efficiency, and basically a free splash ....

Get ready for a Dark Confidant, Collected Company, Surgical Extraction, Noble Hierarch, Mishras Bauble, Prime Time price spike.

>>51994707
>Collected Company spike
Why the fuck would CoCo spike? We knew right from the start that it wasn't going to be reprinted - MM17 only goes as far as RTR block.

>>51994719
Not because it didn't get reprinted, but because modern decks tend to even out in price. More people will be able to buy into modern, demand for Coco rises, its price rises.

>>51994500
Nigger this thing will still be on shelves by Amonkhet release.
You overestimate how many people have $200 to casually drop on cardboard and hoarders will panic the fuck out as soon as week three post-release shows up and LGS are still getting boxes from distributors.

>>51993664
They're from youtube

And is Desolator = Rudy just the hot new meme or something proven?

>>51994076
Sorry bro, sold out

Stores next shipment is 320 a box

>>51994966

>And is Desolator = Rudy just the hot new meme or something proven?

Of course it's not proven, they're not even remotely similar in any way other than that /tg/ doesn't like them.

http://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/modern-masters-2017-edition

2–3 cases for WPN Core level stores
4–6 cases for WPN Advanced level stores
8–12 cases for WPN Advanced Plus level stores

What the FUCK is there to be excited about? Who gives a shit if there is treasure in each box when Wizards is only giving stores 48 boxes at most and in case you don't know in order to pull of Advanced + you have to crank out at least one 100-man event a year. And if stores go to their distributors their distributors are probably going to fuck them up the ass with pricing because of how much demand there's going to be.

God, fuck your fucking rumors about unlimited print run. It's almost identical to the 2015 print run.

http://wpn.wizards.com/en/event/modern-masters-2015-edition

Newsflash people, it takes around four fucking boxes of this shit to open a specific Mythic.

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What are the chances of Splinter Twin reprint/unban?

>>51995064

>"I'm fucking retarded and actually think that Wizards sells the majority of their boxes directly to store"
>"What's a distributor?"

Not to mention that EMA proved that initial print run numbers given out by Wizards are meaningless.

>>51995086
About as likely as Baby Jace.

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>>51995086

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>>51990517
What part of that video shows he doesn't know the basics? Are you referring to him having multiple copies of the same moxen in a deck? Rudy has been playing since the game began, back when it was absolutely zero card limits beyond having a minimum of 40 in a deck; pic fucking related. Why would he bother updating his deck he never plays when he could keep it as is for nostalgia purposes?

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>>51993982

Of course

>>51993961
No one here cares about collectors

>>51995103
looks legit ;^)

>>51995097
Do you know how hard stores have to fight to get boxes from distributors? It's done completely from a loyalty basis, the more you've ordered in the past the more likely they'll sell you something, otherwise the most loyal stores get priority not to mention "friend" prices.

If a store suddenly had the motivation to grow its Modern player base by buying boxes it can't.

So fuck this situation. And fuck Wizards for being too goddamn lazy to grow their distribution channels.

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>>51994645

You're probably just memeing, I refuse to believe that /tg/ is that bad at magic

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>>51995086
>>51995102
The market doesn't agree, senpai.

>>51995169
>tfw own 160 copies online because I anticipated this

>>51995169

>le mtgo prices

Meanwhile the paper price isn't moving whatsoever

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>>51994707
>yes
>lol no
>legacy card
>sadly yes
>already in orbit
>got printed to death

>>51995323

I don't know about surgical. I'm seeing it more and more as sideboard for things like tron, and mainboard in some cases

>>51994997
That beats the 400 aud at shops near me. Give me a link bro please

>>51995323
Why would people think that CoCo will spike?
honestly worries me. I need a playset for my Bant Spirits but do not have spare 40 yuro around for a few days.

>>51995459
I'm worried about the same thing. After the enemy fetches got spoiled it became pretty feasible to build Bant Spirits on my budget. Hoping for Noble to get spoiled tomorrow, but with CoCo already at $12 I don't really want to see it go up any further in price.

>Faeries is a $1000 deck
>Nothing printed will make it go down

>>51995485
But bant fetches are Misty, Heath and Strand. Heath and Strand were both in KTK. Yes, Misty Rainforest is good because it's blue.

Don't tell me you couldn't get through FNM with just the ally W fetches using Breeding Pool to get your other color.

>>51995502
I definitely could but I think having the Misty's would be better, if I'm going to build it I might as well go all out. Also Cavern being reprinted helps even tho it's just a one-of.

>>51995122
> doesn't know how StP works
> doesn't know how Mirror Universe works
> he uses Workshop mana to activate Candelabra
> only played duals in the deck, deck is mono white
> burn decks were a problem. In 1994.,

>>51995413
Adelaide, most game traders

The worst part about investing huge amounts of money into Magic is that unlike stocks, you can't offload 200 boxes of Born of the Gods instantly to a single buyer. You have to drip them out one by one, which just isn't possible for boxes that aren't in Standard anymore as there's no demand for 200 boxes of Fifth Dawn.

>>51995615
>no demand for 200 boxes of Fifth Dawn at $316 a box
ftfy, if they were still at msrp they would sell fine.

>>51995711
Exactly. Box hoarders think "oh, each one of these has a value of $316", and don't ever think about how they're going to physically offload 200 boxes without crashing the value back down.

>>51995726
I know I, for one, would buy a box of fucking homelands if it was at msrp, just to get a taste of magic's history, but for some fucking reason HOMELANDS is at $180 on tcg with $100 more for shipping. I understand inflating boxes of mirrodin because of power cards, but nostalgia alone shouldn't add $180 to a memetically bad set.

>>51989640
Because most people playing this game are spoiled children who think that they are entitled to everything for free.

I'm not a collector or an investor, but as long as these people pay for their children's game cards, they can decide for themselves what to do with them. The one at fault is WotC for creating and maintaining a situation where investing in pieces of cardboard is profitable to begin with. We wouldn't have this problem if they printed sets like MM on demand instead of doing these retarded limited print runs that basically scream for people to invest in them because their existence is rare and valuable per definition.

>>51995086
I want to impregnate Anzu.

>>51995141
Fairweathers don't desserve premiums.
Your store is shit, boo hoo. Mine is getting 36 cases and isn't even Advanced+.

>>51995769
You can get it for cheaper elsewhere, assuming you live in the continental USA.

Also, keep in minds, Homelands has cards on the RL, which automatically makes it "RARE AND VALUABLE QUICK BUY ALL THE SEALED PRODUCT BEFORE IT GOES UP IN PRICE!".

Lightning bolt at uncommon when?
Any other Commons or uncommons you guys predicting?

>>51996795
Cultivate and kodama's reach.

>>51996795
Lightning Helix, Kitchen Finks.

>>51996837

Commanderfags pls go

>>51993952

>The point of having a collection is that it's worth money

Fuck off, people collect stamps, bugs, rocks, coins, and all sorts of worthless things. I'd collect cards because I like them or they're useful, not because of strict value.

I'd have goyfs in my collection yeah but I would also have Huntmaster because I really like the card, or Eater of Days, or Myr Servitor, or the blue shoal. I know some are worth more than others but it's about the collection.

>>51996904
>he wants another reprint of giant growth

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Cmon reprint.