How to win a land war against a big country like us or china?

>>51985787
Who wants to know, ISIS?

>>51985787
kill all their dudes

>>51985787
Subvert the government and media over a period of decades, then open the borders and promise generous welfare payments to anyone who comes across.

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>>51985867
Get out of here Christian.

China has lost wars historically, Just look at the mongols. Also don't be intimidated by the United State's size, just bring the coasts under heel and you will cut the head off the snake. Easier said than done but you know

>>51985950
>just bring the coasts under heel and you will cut the head off the snake.

You uh..

You don't know jack about the US do you

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Render their lands uninhabitable.

>>51985787
Dude, never get in a land war with Asia, and never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

>>51985963
Amerifag here, pretty sure you could nuke the heartland and nothing of value would be lost as long as the East Coast and California are okay.

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>>51985950
>just bring the coasts under heel and you will cut the head off the snake

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>>51985983
Why nuke it mate? Just use a chemical weapon.

When you're going to break all rules of war, better do it well.

>>51985950
The last time a super-power came to navally invade our shit was Great Britain,with the mightiest navy in the world. They barely managed to get to the whitehouse and burn it before we kicked them out

>>51985983
>pretty sure you could nuke the heartland and nothing of value would be lost
Yeah, who needs about half the food supply anyways?

>>51985983
>>51986003
Only because they have ports.

>>51986032
Subsidized corn farmer please go

>>51985963
I am American you idiot. Look at a map of population densities.

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>>51986032
That's why you use (short acting) chemical weapons. Kill the people, land remains safe for use.

>>51985983
Californian detected

California offers very little in terms of military might. Nuking the heartland of America would not only fuck the US over, but large parts of the world as America's breadbasket feeds the country, as well as outright destroying almost all exports of food, which the US does in droves.

California's only strategic or military purpose is having ports. That's it.

>>51985983
>nuke the heartland and nothing of value would be lost as long as the East Coast and California are okay.
>I hate food

>>51985950
Wouldn't the coastal region's be able to just keep getting reinforcements from inland, because the country is so huge?

>>51986058
Considering wars have been fought over access to ports and considering America's pacific fleet I'd say that's a pretty noteworthy purpose

>>51986064
>Virginia and the Carolinas weren't founded as agricultural colonies

>>51986074
Yes but only because china has 3 billion people and could just start mass-producing AK-47s to win any defensive war

>>51986092
Unfortunately you cannot eat tobacco or cannabis for sustenance.

>>51986011
I think we both found out that navies aren't much use on land.

>>51986074
Depends, High population non-coastal states such as the rustbelt present a major problem but the midwest has such a small population that they are a literal non issue. So if you are somehow able to pacify the coasts (no small feat by any means, probably impossible for any single nation in the world today) you would probably have to make a move on the rust belt. This is assuming that we are including Texas as a coastal state, if they aren't pacified immediately then lol

>>51986106
You totally can. When harvested and per-processed but not tried they are consumable alright. It's just really not viable financially.

>>51985787
no one WINS a war with weapons of mass destruction against people with weapons of mass destruction. Anything short of utterly annihilating the enemy without them ever reaching your borders will not even be considered a victory due to the standard set by vietnam. The united states could be occupied and buttfucked for 50 years and barely survive and the offending country would not have technically "won". Obviously any sort of nuclear exchange would rule this out.

>>51986011
This was in 1812 though, so they had other things to be worrying about.
Like this Napoleon guy

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>>51986106
You can eat cannabis for sustenance. You just need to pack a lot of fat along with it. The THC and cannabinoids won't get absorbed unless they're dissolved in fat.

>>51986152
Depends on what kind of WMD...

I'm willing to bet that I can beat the USA armed with nukes if I get a big bad bucket of grey goo.

New WMD's > old WMD's.

>>51986106
California produces a shit ton of food.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2013/07/california_grows_all_of_our_fruits_and_vegetables_what_would_we_eat_without.html

>>51986152
Vietnam doesn't necessarily set the standard you say it does. A key determining factor of Vietnam was that the united states was never able to sever the leadership of the opposition, the government of north Vietnam because it would spark WWIII.

>>51986011
>with the mightiest navy in the world
And what about the army?

>>51985950
An accurate plan if you include the Southern Coast of the US, and the Dallas-Austin-San Antonio triangle. That leaves only a few major cities in the Midwest, so the war isn't over till those are subjugated as well.

>>51986159
Considering USA was barely 40 years old I'd say it's a pretty good victory to beat the #1 super power twice in a row.

They were being disrespectful and outright kidnapping american sailors. they're fault they started shit in the middle of the Napoleonic wars and got beat.

(You can argue it was a tie because the USA didn't get canada. But then think how awesome the USA is today, and think how much more awesome it would be if it included canadian territory)

>>51986160
I wouldn't call that sustenance as much as entertainment, my friend. And think how bad the munchies would be

Ironically it is the United states who have formed probably the most effective method of invading the united states in the form of the Anaconda plan.

>>51985787
Stir dissent in government of the country and push one of the competing factions into militarization eventually escalating into a coup d etat. Send your forces in to support new government (make sure you have official invitation so UN can't say shit) and maintain stability of the country. Once in there begin purge from the inside and replace all people of power with your loyal subjects.

>>51986055
That's like pointing to a tumor and saying it must be the most important organ in the body because of how fast it's growing.

>>51986184
Well, I always knew California was full of fruits. But I really didn't expect this would also cover agricultural side of things.

>>51986237
If you're doing this on the scale of the US or China why care about the UN

>>51986257
>people are cancer

>>51986257
While I agree with characterizing the coasts as a tumor, the fact remains that the coasts are where the vast majority of the United states infrastructure, wealth, and Government institutions are located due to what I assume is a organized effort to shift the wealth of the nation into coastal states over the past 40-50 years.

>>51986195
Obviously needs improvement. GB was never about the army anyways.

We still dished serious pain to GB's navy. Old Ironsides is in service still today for it.

>>51986288
>liberals are people

>>51986288
> implying shitskins are people

>>51986215
>got beat.
America won nothing and got their capital burned to the ground.
When facing the enemies arse-end troops, while their main army fought someone else.

How is this a victory again?

>>51986184
>Trusting a liberal magazine not to sing California's praises night and day.

>>51986296
>We still dished serious pain to GB's navy
OP asked about a land war

>>51986257
how will we pay for all the niggers if ww3 starts?

>>51986288
>Mexicans and Leftist fucksticks
>Not cancer

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>>51986233
No problem mate, I got some cookies for you right here.

>i prefer to just stop at the butter, that way i can make some nice sandwiches that get me high as a kite
>also, no one objects when i start eating my sandwiches near the end of the GM session

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>>51985787
>win a land war against US

HAHAHAHAHA

not even the Indians could do that, get fucked

>>51986323
Because they got Britain to stop impressing sailors and to stop arming aggressive native tribes? Wars can be about things other than conquest anon

>>51986323
>"We burnt a building down we won the war" meme again.
If you think GB won 1812 you have to also think USA won Vietnam

>>51985983
If you nuked California the US would be vastly improved. There's a reason why the neighboring states like Arizona are itching to send over death squads to clean the place out. California does nothing but suck up resources and export criminal illegals to other states.

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>>51986343
>leftists
>in the usa

That's like saying Russia has actual people in its borders.

>>51986368
The opposite isn't true either

>>51986372
I'd prefer actual socialism to the cultural marxism we have in the more rotten parts of the USA

>>51986368
The US was winning in Vietnam. It just lost on the home front.

>>51986369

>Nuking the place that controls the electronics industry
>Nuking the place that produces the vast majority of fruits and vegetables for the US
>Nuking the 6th largest economy in the world >Vast improvement

Implying that the West Coast wouldn't be perfectly fine without all your dumbasses fighting any sort of progress tooth and nail, terribly sorry for trying to improve your lives

>>51986401
Which is why everyone who isn't being a nationalist about it calls it a stalemate.

>>51985787
Limited in scope and with massive technological advantage.
Also make sure they're really what you want to be fighting- and not for example a wealthy merchant empire in the opposite direction.

>>51986369
>If you nuked California the entire planet would be vastly improved

FTFY

>>51985950
>>51985983

That's not even close to true. Do you seriously think everything important is on the coasts? Chicago alone is the third most populated city in the country and a huge center for transportation and industry. Then you have places like Indianapolis, Detroit, St. Louis, Memphis, Columbus, Huston. There's a lot of stuff in the interior.

The heartland is where most of our food is produced, as well as lots of manufacturing. Its also huge, less centralized and therefor harder to secure, has a lot of easy transportation in the form of rivers and highways, and has a higher concentration of guns. We also keep a lot of our air-force in the region. It would be a monumental task to bring it under your control and until you do owning the coasts ain't gonna mean shit.

>>51986405
>cultural marxism
>he actually believes that retarded /pol/ shit

You do realise that the reason you won't find any real socialism in the USA is because you're being led to believe that "cultural marxism" has rotted the USA? That's how the system in the USA works. Keep the people dumb and placated with nice conspiracy theories.

They'd rather deal with Trump than worry about the Rust Belt going all Comrade Bernie.

>>51986058
Also being 10% of the population, 12% of the economy, and a major trade conduit, but I'm sure those have never mattered in a war before.

>>51986455
> Implying that the West Coast wouldn't be perfectly fine without all your dumbasses fighting any sort of progress tooth and nail

> progress
So importing huge waves of shitskins and getting them all on welfare to drain the country dry is apparently "progress" for you leftists.

> terribly sorry for trying to improve your lives
Name a single fucking thing that California has done to "improve" anything that couldn't have just as easily come from a less shitty state.

>>51986455
>West coast would be fine.

I'm sorry but the largest state on the west came crying to the federal government recently for money to fix a spill way they should've been taking care of in the first place. If its so good, Why not take care of all those poor illegals and make sure everything is in tip top shape?

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>>51985787
Go Genghis Khan on them.

Highly mobile army with a tiny logistics footprint, massive civilian casualties when people make you actually fight rather than just surrender.

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>>51985787
>>51985867
Wait for (or actively create) political disunity. The specific wedge issue you use doesn't matter, as long as people in the country start hating each other and begin to fight.

Then, when things come to a head, ally yourself with one group against the other. They can provide you with guidance and logistics that would be impossible if you had to figure out everything from scratch in hostile territory.

Once the "enemy" group is destroyed, you will be perfectly positioned to destroy or manipulate your "allies" with impunity, since your army has already been let into all the most secure places.

>>51986416
That's called losing the war. It doesn't matter if you 'win' battles, you have to turn that into a political victory.

>>51986368
I didn't say that - as anon >>51986457 says, any reasonable person would call it a stalemate, which it was

>>51986511
> DURR THAT'S NOT REALLY SOCIALISM!
Every single time. Every single time you leftists try socialism and it fails spectacularly you claim that it was never really tried.

>>51986518
I'm not an american but he mentioned the electronics industry as an example of something california does, and no piece of land on earth has any inherant value, the shit that has been done there does, so your point that "Hurrka fucking durr it could be done in any state" could be said about the merits of any state for any criterea.

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>>51986535

>>51986518
>Name a single fucking thing that California has done to "improve" anything that couldn't have just as easily come from a less shitty state.
I'm not even American, and I'm already laughing. Holy fucking shit, some of you central Americans really aren't very smart.

>>51986564
> I'm not an american
Then shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.

>>51986594
Fuck off dipshit, me living in Britain doesn't make your argument any less shit.

>>51986563
I'm not saying "that's not real socialism".

I'm saying that cultural marxism doesn't exist. It's a boogeyman made up by your corporate overlords.

>>51985975
Underrated post

>>51986556
I'd just like to point out t hat America was only 40 years old at the time and it's first ever declaration of war was against the biggest guy on the block. And they managed to STALEMATE it. Even though half of the country was openly against the war.

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>>51986567
Red Skull is woke as fuck. Are we sure he's supposed to be the villain? Isn't he just some German conscript who fled to America after WW2 and learned to love his new country?

>>51986563
The original idea of communism can be boiled down to "Means of production in the hands of the workers", not "means of production in the hands of the state"

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>>51985975
That's an incomplete statement you buffoon! The second part, between the two sentence fragments you have there, is "never post an OP with an image more interesting than the text"

>>51986520
Because the money we send to the FED is greater than your state's GDP.

>>51986518

Because it's definitely welfare that's draining this country dry, yep certainly not the war that we literally cannot win and the military industrial complex that uses up over half of all our taxes

Also Google but you might say that it could be done by a "less shitty state" (it wasn't) but just in case, the deep water port at San Diego, vital to international trade and to our Pacific Fleet

>>51986520

Are you talking about that same dam that started as a federal project and then had to be handed over and funded by the state in order to complete, the one they should have been taking care of from the very beginning? And let's not even get into the crumbling infrastructure around the country, lets wait until some more of that breaks down and see how many states go begging to the feds

>>51986594
I mean, you won't.

>>51986620
In the scene you posted he used the people he turned to his cause as suicide bombers. And even then he didn't particularly care about what he was describing outside a propaganda tool. He's a terrorist playing on people's fears to further his own goal of world domination, and you bought it.

And he was always a high ranking Nazi who hated the US.

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>>51986723
Not him but I never really cared for when capeshit tried to be political. It always leads to situations like the pic I'm posting.

>>51986723
Edgelords are dumb. Go figure.

>>51986369
>>51986455
>>51986482
>>51986518
Stop this shit. The truth is that the states are all reliant on each other, no single one can make it one their own. The huge businesses on the coast are reliant on the manufacturing and agriculture in the interior to produce their products and food and shipping, while the interior needs the coastal ports to provide markets and buyers for the stuff it makes. The whole reason the US still exists is because the states do better together then they would on their own.

>>51986610
Yeah, as wars go it's not a bad result really. And at the end there were a few tactical victories that meant it ended on a high for the US (hence Star Spangled Banner, USS Constitution etc.)

>>51986766
That page never fails to make me laugh.

Neither do the shrieks of outrage from /pol/fags about [OBVIOUS JOKES].

>>51986567
Where's the part where Cap tells Red Skull to eat it?

There is a part where Cap tells Red Skull to eat it, right?

>>51986766
What's the original?

>>51986836
That is the original. It's not edited.

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>>51986831
Not this time.

>>51986807
It's never not despicable to use comics for pushing a political agenda.

>>51986831
Its the page right after, but I've never seen it posted in a long time.

>>51986873
Tell that to Steve Ditko.

>>51985787
Modern day China would actually be easier to take over than Modern day US.

>>51986766
For a bit of context, the guy who wrote >>51986620 and >>51986854 is actually a failed Democrat Mayoral (or similar) candidate, so theres a constant political element to his cap work.

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>>51986873
>It's never not despicable to use comics for pushing a political agenda.

WRONG.

>>51986567
>implying that the third panel wasn't turned into the fourth panel by a Government willing to let the working class languish in poverty in the name of corporate globalism

>>51986567
Hey, in our defense, the cow flesh is delicious. And it's not all carcinogenic.
But I come from a pretty good family in a pretty nice part of town, so I can't really talk about the dark side of America.

>>51985983
>pretty sure you could nuke the heartland and nothing of value would be lost
That's how people in the heartland feel about the coasts.

>>51986926
No he's right honestly of all the major powers, China's military is probably the weakest and is only notable for its ability to rapidly swell its ranks with conscription.

>>51986455
>California leaves
>Everyone dies because they have no clean water to drink
>Or to water their crops with.

>>51986926
China relies heavily on a central government controlling all aspects of society. The United States being split into 50 self governing states means they can survive an initial breakdown of the federal chain command.

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>>51986926
>Implying the richest cities in China wouldn't immediately defect if invaded.

>>51987046
Like for exactly thirty seconds before everyone starts bitching at each other again.
Then again, that's what we already do, so I guess you're right.

>>51987079
Yeah they'd bicker, but the idea that the US is being invaded would probably put all other differences aside and be a rallying call.

>>51986779
So the only thing that coastal shitlibs contribute is to BUY THINGS. Exterminate them so that productive people can take control of those ports and you can just sell abroad, problem solved with no need for a tumor growing out of the west coast. Plus with no more shitlibs to support obscene regulation, US industry will be the undisputed king in the world market.

>>51986518
>Welfare
You want to talk welfare? Out of all the 50 states, California pays the most taxes on average. Central America is welfare country, mass producing more corn than anyone in the planet can eat, so much that the U.S. government literally pays farmers to turn around and destroy their harvests.

>>51986958
Globalism has nothing to do with it.
Uneven (to excess) distribution

>>51986551
>Win literally every battle.
>Fuck the NVA and Vietcong over so hard that we have to bomb neighboring countries just to find more to kill.
>Force them into a peace treaty.
>Leave.
>Two years later the NVA break the treaty and storm into South Vietnam.
>Politicians prevent us from assisting our allies as promised.
>Saigon falls.

Yep, they sure showed us.

>>51987037
You act as if nobody has ever paid to import a resource.

>>51987099
> implying the left isn't already welcoming in an invading army

Just look at their stances on illegals and rapefugees.

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>>51987037

Uhuh, sure, not to mention the new projects going in for working with desalination the same way Israel does or to mention that if California goes more than likely so do Oregon and Washington and we have plenty

>>51987146
Imports are not exactly cheap, moreover California leaving would raise enough resentment that the export prices would likely be inflated, which the increased costs for operation would likely cause businesses to leave California.

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>>51987157
>We have plenty
>The state that was going to tap their water table for wine crops

>>51986606
It's a documented fact supported by declassified USSR documents and multiple interviews with former USSR agents.

>>51987122
Without middle America the coasts starve. Without the coasts middle America gets on just fine.

>>51987121
What the fuck are you on?

>>51987195
Sure, if you enjoy the feudal japan lifestyle but with corn instead of rice.

>>51986995
China is currently the strongest land-based power. Sure it's not what the Soviet Union was at its best, but it still is.

>>51987046
Breakdown of the central government doesn't mean resistance to occupation stops. Central authority broke down completely during the japanese invasion, doesn't mean chinese resistance stopped.
Also, modern states have a million contingency plans for this sort of thing anyway, and states have no military.

>>51987061
There is really no reason whatsoever to believe this.
Sure, rich people usually are the first to cooperate with invaders, but that applies more to the US than China.

>>51985787
The keys are as such

1. Partition it along natural features. Take the easiest bounded zone you can access.
2. Identify and neutralize ways of access across said features thereby creating bottlenecks.
3. Build new accesses across said features to create flanking opportunities once you have built up a sufficient reserve to take the next bounded zone.
4. Rinse.
5. Repeat.

That would win a land war in the classical sense. Suppression and exploitation of populace and resources are a different series of activities entirely.

>>51987215
>China is currently the strongest land-based power.
With technology from 1975
>There is really no reason whatsoever to believe this.
The fact that China's 5 richest cities basically tell the Chinese government to fuck off every year.

>>51987169
CA would also not be paying their federal taxes, and able to pocket that. Probably wind up doing fine- just like Great Britain or the Russian Federation, comparable economies.

Minds, poor states that couldn't suck on the federal teat for all that California tax money would probably be upset. But hey, they oppose welfare, right?

If any state had the tech base and economy to fund rapid development of desalination tech, California's it.

>>51987182
Cite one.

>>51987157
>implying that the west coast states seceding from the union wouldn't lead to north California, East Oregon, and East Washington to secede from their respective states.
>implying that this hasn't been a movement before the Russian emigrant who thought up calexit was even born https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)

>>51987279
>Implying Succession is even legal

>>51986606
What the alt-right calls "cultural marxism" does exist, but it usually refers to different things.
Most commonly its Gramscian marxism and post-modernism.

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>>51987215
>China is currently the strongest land-based power.

>>51987293
Man, fuck auto correct.

>>51987262
Except cali won't because that might hurt some fish. They have fuck all for tech because of how badly infested they are with envirofaggots. And even if they weren't, they're too busy putting vaginas and shitskins in positions they didn't earn because DIVERSITY.

>>51987253
>The fact that China's 5 richest cities basically tell the Chinese government to fuck off every year.

I would like to hear more about this if you have time. The schism between China's government and the Chinese capitalists is very interesting to me.

>>51987148
My question is why do you care if a deep blue state gets ruined by foreign people? They're not your guys and given the current trend you'll probably lose any attachment you had to them due to huge differences in belief.
As a blue stater, why should I care if the south secedes? The south is full of creationists, moral authoritarians, anti-environmentalists, gun nuts, and even white nationalists. On top of that they take more than they receive from the federal government. The Civil War was a mistake.
Change or reinforce my view.

>>51987262
>Minds, poor states that couldn't suck on the federal teat for all that California tax money would probably be upset. But hey, they oppose welfare, right?
Or they'd just charge more.

>>51987253
Some tension with their government doesn't mean they'd welcome a foreign invasion on fours with their pants down
>>51987315
So which country do you think fits the bill?

>>51987424
>So which country do you think fits the bill?
The US

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Conquer/place armies in Cuba, Florida, and Yucatan. To block the whole Gulf of Mexico. Then, invade from New Orleans and use the Mississippi river to reach the extensive farmlands in the heartland. Then conquer/burn them all.

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>>51987424
I don't know, which military is considered the strongest military in the power by a vast margin in the world today?

>>51987346
What's that? Is he turning green, Lassie? Now why do you think that is?

>>51987454
Not a land based power.

>>51987410
Because California is going to import water from Alabama. Right.

>>51987468
Neither is china, else the whole south china sea thing wouldn't be an issue.

>>51987121
lol that's just not true

>>51987454
I think he might honestly be right, if you remove air power from the equation of "land-based power"

>>51985787
kill their dudes. if they've got no dudes, they can't win.

>>51986455
Improve? Sorry removing my rights to self preservation and self defense is not an improvement.
Having no money set aside for things going wrong is not an improvement
Burning shit to the ground becuase a speaker you dont like comes to talk...

You live in a gorgeous state with nice resources both technological and environmental, but the authoritarian demeanor in which you try to impose your will on your neighbors and your own people while taking freedoms and liberties away from the masses is the reason no one likes your virtue signalling asses.

>>51987491
Land powers aren't forbidden from caring about the sea.

>>51987497
If you remove all of a countries greatest strengths, then they are weak!

>>51987501
This doesn't work against Canada

>>51987517
Yeah but by the logic the US is also a landpower who cares about the seas :^)

>>51987397
I don't care if blue states fuck themselves over. I care that the illegals and rapefugees can then easily flood into other states.

>>51987536
goddamn white walkers

>>51987540
Not really. America's primary means of projecting power is by sea and air. China's primary means of projecting power is by land. Its navy is comparatively weak, whereas the US fields a bunch of carrier battlegroups.

>>51985787

>classic blunder
>land war in asia... etc. etc...

>>51987505
>Authoritarian
>Method of imposing your will involves democratic processes with clear checks in place due to the two house congress system and just having a more prestigious system of education that invites people to learn our ways through study

I'm not certain exactly what you find so authoritarian about what appears to be the least forceful conflict of idea's I can recall in the history of man kind

>>51987540
Not really comparable in scope.
China may care about the south CHINA sea.
The US cares about the south china sea, the mediterranean, the persian gulf, the red sea, the caribbean, and the list goes on.
It's easier to list seas and oceans the US DOESNT care about: the caspian sea and... wait that's it.

>>51987597
> democratic process
Republicans aren't even allowed to run for office in California's elections. They designed their primary system specifically to shut out any other parties and deny representation to anyone other than the dims.

>>51987597
> a more prestigious system of education that invites people to learn our ways through study
Kek, this is what califags actually believe. Your colleges are infested with antifa terrorists who use violence and intimidation to drive away anyone who challenges their dogma.

>>51987635
Elaborate.

>>51986455
>produces the vast majority of fruits and vegetables for the US

Wisconsin produces the most corn, ginseng, snap beans, cranberries, and silage than any other state, along with leading in production of oats, potatoes, carrots, tart cherries, maple syrup, and sweet corn.

Texas has the largest amount of farms and the most amount of Acres in the US and is ranked #1 for revenue generated from total livestock and livestock products and leads in production of cattle, horses, sheep, goats, wool, mohair and hay.

North Dakota is the largest producer of wheats in the country as well as oilseeds.

Florida produces the majority of all citrus fruits grown in the US, and is also the largest producer of sweet corn and green beans.

Fuck off with your "muh California!" meme.

>>51986709
The reason you do is because you have one of the worst economies in all of the US. You're #4 on the list of the top worst economies in the US.

Your unemployment is rated at 5.2%, you have one of the highest rates of poverty at over 16%, and you have one of the highest household debts of all states.

California is a fucking mess.

>>51987597
Look up California gun confiscation squads.... its a real thing

>>51987681
Gerrymandering is pretty ubiquitous in America, and harmful to everyone. If he's not referring to that, got me.

>>51987635
Holy fuck how old are you again? Did you somehow manage to miss the Governator?

>>51986180
grey goo is massively overstated in effectiveness.

>>51985950

>Just lock down over twenty thousand kilometers of coastline in two different oceans on opposite sides of the world and you're golden

Okay, good luck with that Alexander.

China's almost as bad with almost fifteen thousand kilometers.

>>51987681
In the recent senate election in california, the race was between two democrats because their primary system prevented a republican candidate from competing in the election. That's not democratic, that's one-party authoritarian rule.

The weakness of China is the wealth disparity between the Han coastal region and the vast and poor Han interior. This disparity has broken China before. In the 19th century, he more intense the trade, the wealthier the coastal leadership and the greater the disparity between the regions. In due course, foreigners allied with Chinese coastal merchants and politicians became more powerful in the coastal regions than the central government. The worst geopolitical nightmare of China came true. China fragmented.

Mao's goal was threefold, Marxism aside. First, he wanted to recentralize China — re-establishing Beijing as China's capital and political center. Second, he wanted to end the massive inequality between the coastal region and the rest of China. Third, he wanted to expel the foreigners from China. In short, he wanted to recreate a united Han China.

>>51987135
Clausewitz 101 hombre. War is just political action pursued via force. You don't get the political outcome you want, you lose.

Literally the highest echelons of military in America leadership are full of people who took good long look at why we lost Vietnam. Petreaus wrote extensively about it. And guess what, the take is a little more nuanced then 'muh democrats'.

You can shitpost all day about what should have happened because it hurts your dainty little feelings but it doesn't make it the slighest bit true.

>>51987635
>>51987674
>>51987702
I thought the whole thing you fly-over statesmen enjoyed about your self-image is that you're red blooded and not afraid of confrontation and you like to be direct? Someone at campus disagree with your gun ownership, you're fully within your rights to tell them to shove it. Personally, the majority of my friends in So Cal both own guns and have no problems with the law enforcement. Sure, the red tape's a hassle and sometimes the oddly aggressive pussy anti-second amendment kid will pipe up, but it's honestly not so hard to shut their line of reasoning down with simple logic

>>51987704
Gerrymandering has become less of a thing in California since the job of drawing district lines was taken away from the state legislature and put in the hands of a citizen's redistricting committee. Of course, since red states have been ramping up gerrymandering even more, the result has been total republican control of the house of representatives despite the fact that more people vote for democrats. Turns out if one side starts cheating less and the other cheats even more, the side that cheats more will win.

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I'm going to guess that the placement of these bases are a good starting point to invade, once you blow them up.

>>51987728
What's their side of the story? What's their rationale?
I know that there are a few states where you can't vote in presidential primaries unless you are registered to that party, i.e. Independents: Go fuck yourselves.

P.S. I did a quick search and found that the reason how that got that way was that they restricted the general election of any statewide thing to a top 2, party affiliation is irrelevant. To play devil's advocate: maybe they wanted to take party agendas out of politics and make it about the top 2 most liked.

>>51987803
> Someone at campus disagree with your gun ownership, you're fully within your rights to tell them to shove it.
Free speech is SPEECH. It's fine to tell someone to fuck off. But califags riot, burn, loot, and kill when someone says something they don't want to hear. That's not free speech, that's a crime.

>>51987836
Really? Not Washington D.C.? Not NORAD?

Those bases mean nothing if the operation center that orchestrates them is still in effect.

>>51987815
The fact that the republicans have basically dominated the house has less to do with gerrymandering and more to do with the fact that the democrats appeal to the white working class has been dogshit for the last 7 years.

>>51987693
>rated at 5.2%,
You're delusional, uneducated, and a free loader.

The poverty rate in California is closer to 20%. California is expensive. Conversely, the Midwest poverty rate is lower than reported, because the federal poverty line assessment does not take localized cost of living into account.

Because of this, the poor in California are taxed to subsidize the not-poor elsewhere.

And despite all of this, California is 10% of the us population and 12% of the economy, ie, contributing above its weight by a whole state's worth.

Maybe your state should get gud.

>>51987854
They changed the rules and created a system that completely shuts out one of the parties. That strips away representation form a massive number of people who are forced to choose between two leftists. That isn't an election, that's one-party rule. The republicans weren't even allowed to compete in the election because they designed a system that shut them out completely.

>>51987908
Cite anything please.

>>51987900

For an invasion. Washington DC is an unimportant artificial city made for show with little strategic value. NORAD is way too inland. if you want neutralise these two, you just nuke them. Nothing of value is lost.

>>51987589
yes but frankly in a 1v1 between the land armies of china and the united states I still feel confident hedging my bets on the united states.

>>51987928
https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_2016
The race was between Kamala Harris, a democrat, and Loretta Sanchez, another democrat.

>>51987868
Are you talking about the single riot that was close enough to Berkeley for it to be reported on over dramatically? Yea dude, campus's are usually near some rough ass neighborhoods, but are you really gonna sit here and act like the Berkeley student body militarized and starting a Gestapo hit list to terrorize people for owning guns? Civil unrest is civil unrest, that shit just comes with having people in different income brackets and skin colors

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>>51987942
good luck disabling NORAD with Nukes.

>>51987988

I believe the Soviet Union had a Gigaton worth it of firepower targeting the place.

>>51987979
> oh it was just one riot, no big deal
> that's just because of the rough neighborhood, you can't really expect those dindus to not riot
And shitlibs call other people racists.

>>51988017
because your only hope of destroying it with nukes is to create enough seismic activity to collapse the mountain on top of it.

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>>51987902
Though it certainly helps that even when they lose they win big.

>>51988026
Buddy, there were probably more people in that single riot than there are people in most small towns across america. The police handled it exactly the way they were supposed to, they cordoned the area off and then arrested people as it began to lose momentum. What exactly here is your malfunction? Is your argument that your state is superior because you have no riots? You haven't been called a racist so that last bit doesn't even require me to respond anyways

>>51987589

China doesn't project power by land. It can't. It's an enclosed Great Power with very little room to expand inland. The PLA exist more to police and defend China than to launch invasions. The little experience that they have with foreign wars is an unpleasant one. China, when it controls Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, is an insulated state with only one point of friction: Vietnam.

China's most vulnerable point, since the arrival of Europeans in the western Pacific. Hence the efforts to build a navy to protect its trade.

>>51987906
>does not take localized cost of living into account

Of course it doesn't you dipshit, because that's the standard of living for them.

>despite all of this, California is 10% of the US population
>as if that means anything

And Russia is the most populated country in Europe.

And if you want to get into actual logistics, it contributes below its weight, taking into account its total population and asset production.

FYI, the New York metropolitan area is the most populous in all of the US, is one of the most populous urban agglomerations in the world, has the largest foreign-born population of any metropolitan area in the world, and is the center of international trade, technology, education, finance, real estate, entertainment, among many, many other areas, in the world.

You are inbred-stupid it would seem, and are indeed the real "free loader" here trying to make up for your own pathetic existence by applying some brand connection to California, which you have had no part in helping to create or further.

>>51987942
>Washington DC is an unimportant artificial city made for show with little strategic value

It was designed to be separate from the US on the very ground that if any individual state were to fall, the infrastructure would still be in tact. It remains separate for geopolitical reasons which are incredibly important.

No one can. Except for the Mongols.

>>51987965
>Thirty-four candidates filed to run to replace Boxer, including seven Democrats, 12 Republicans, and 15 third-party candidates. Two Democrats, Kamala Harris and Loretta Sanchez, defeated the other 32 candidates to advance to the general election, where Harris ultimately triumphed.
The very definition of injustice.

>>51988073
> Is your argument that your state is superior because you have no riots?
Yes. Civilized people don't riot just because someone says something they don't like. That you califags think that's somehow acceptable behavior just shows what trash you are.

> You haven't been called a racist
That's literally all shitlibs do. That's why they were rioting, because they declared someone who said something they didn't like to be racist. All the while ignoring that the real racism is in the idea that it's somehow okay for dindus to riot because that's just what they do.

>>51986723
That's my problem, Red Skull says things that make a lot of sense, but then turns and does something evil to remind you you're not supposed to like him.

Personally I just wish the losers that write these not use them as their soapbox, regardless of whether they agree with me or not, but everyone thinks they're so enlightened that they just have to tell everyone what to think.

>>51986933
>mashed potatoes man

what did he mean by this?

>>51988404
>Civilized people don't riot just because someone says something they don't like.

That's right because in every civilization all across history there were never riots from the civilized people. I guess that makes all the Sons of Liberty uncivilized heathens

>>51986058
>California offers very little in terms of military might.
>America's breadbasket feeds the country, as well as outright destroying almost all exports of food

>He doesn't know San Diego is one of the hubs of the U.S. Navy
>He doesn't know California has the largest farm economy in the U.S., and it isn't even remotely close (data.ers.usda.gov/reports.aspx?ID=53580)

>>51988204
>Of course it doesn't you dipshit, because that's the standard of living for them.
This might be hard for you to grasp, but the purchasing power of $1 is not the same everywhere. The price for the 2000 calories an adult human (ie, not you) needs every day can vary from place to place. Ergo, the absolute minimum sustainable wage- living hand to mouth, as the saying goes- can be quite different in places. Ergo, the actual poverty line in Texarkana is not the sane as the poverty line in San Jose or especially New York.

You tantrum throwing ninny.

>>51988534
I don't know why you expected him to know what he's talking about.

>>51988512
Did you stop reading halfway through? The point is that people are burning cars, breaking windows, beating people etc because they have different ideas than them. This is not civilized behavior.

Don't misrepresent his argument to make yours seem stronger

>>51988575
>Ergo, the actual poverty line in Texarkana is not the sane as the poverty line in San Jose or especially New York

Holy shit, you're even dumber than I thought. I thought I was misinterpreting you before, because I thought you had some semblance of human intelligence, but if you're actually insisting that the government doesn't calculate poverty rate per state individually and not by any standard, you are one GIGANTIC inbred sub-human.

Holy shit. Is it possible for people to be this dumb?

>>51987942
Taking DC more or less is like nut-shotting people. Its not lethal but it's a huge gouge in peoples morale and ego. You take DC to show you can take DC and with it the intel that's stored there and possible several key political figures if you're quick on the draw. NORAD is the main goal of any major strike but, getting it is thankfully a bitch as its way inland. You can shake it up with some ICBMs if you're capable or at least put them to the point where they know they're in hot water From there it boils down to how long till you can shut the grid down for key states and production sites. The U.S. is a big target and a hard one but it can be done.

>>51986369
>>51986482
go to bed trump supporters. california is something like the tenth biggest economy in the world.

>>51988675
Try #6.

>>51986215
There's a lot of historical ignorance in this post.

>>51988675
Okay.

And India has the 7th highest GDP in the world.

>>51987169
>US now annexes the water plants of California

>>51987590
But nobody's talking about OP's image.

>>51988404
>Yes. Civilized people don't riot just because someone says something they don't like.
Civilized people of all races and backgrounds have done that all the fucking time.

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>>51987693
>North Dakota is the largest producer of wheats in the country as well as oilseeds.

We've also got a lot of nukes!

>>51985787
These countries/republics tend to eat themselves from the inside after their citizens get fat off excessive wealth. They sit around, make a bunch of bad decisions and then collapse. So the answer to your question is: time.

>>51988534
Because California grows luxury crops as opposed to staple food crops which aren't nearly as valuable monetarily?

What does california vs other states have to do with the thread?

>>51988796
Retards screaming about commiefornia, mostly.

>>51988796
Someone said alls you need to do is nuke California, he proceeded to get much deservedly BTFO, then Californians flooded the thread with a bunch of stupid nonsense.

>>51988607

What are the protests and hate crimes that surged after Obama was elected in 2008, don't try to take the moral high ground on this one

>>51985787
For US, simply turn them against each other and cause a civil war. Remember to hire a lot of Canadian killers to pretend to be Americans to kill other Americans in public to trigger backlash.
For China, also same shit.

Even if the government manage to win in the end, their entire country is toast.

Pretty effective in real life as shown by the Muslim Brotherhood. See Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia.

>>51986535
>That Captain America
>That "all people and cultures everywhere are the same multikultist meme"
>Yeah, no, that's some shitty clone or robot version of Cap

>>51988796
>>51988813
You can tell who's a legitimate cunt by the fact that they've got some rando tripfag on their side

>>51988841
You didn't even read what it said, did you

>>51986919
This is factually incorrect. He ran as a Charterist, he worked as an office stooge for the Dems.

>>51988675
Because they have tons of shitskins breeding completely out of control and are importing more by the truckload.

>>51988823
1. Don't get so defensive, I was just criticising your misrepresentation of the other guys argument

2. Assuming what you're saying is true, why do you say that like I was involved? It's not right to assault someone for voting for the other, regardless of affiliation

>>51988823
> What are the protests and hate crimes that surged after Obama was elected in 2008
The only crimes that surged were dindus rioting even more because police were trying to do their jobs and stop criminals, but the nogs thought that because they had a president now they should be able to get away with anything.

>>51986589
>some of you central Americans really aren't very smart.
>central Americans

You're a pretty dim bulb yourself.

>>51988922
>I'm just going to ignore all evidence of things that contradict the horseshit oozing from my mouth in ever increasing quantities

All right lads, thread's over nothing to see here, this guy's clearly in possession of the superior debate skills

>>51986831
>>51986880

Nope. This sequence is from Red Skull using stolen psychic powers to bend people to his will. This whole page is a battle in the mind, essentially. Cap resists, and gets rescued by another hero, and then Skull escapes. The issue never actually gives Cap the chance to return fire or offer a rebuttal.

>>51988961
Name a single conservative protest that turned violent.

>>51988796
Faggots from commiefornia came in and started acting like they're real people or that they contribute anything of value. Everyone else is laughing at them.

>>51989004

Name a conservative protest that received the same level and severity of police response as a liberal one, the protests turn violent after the police start in with their heavy handed response

>>51989004
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/us/anti-obama-protest-at-university-of-mississippi-turns-unruly.html

>>51989004
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama

>>51989110
> posts the old debunked mississippi story
It was a bunch of college dipshits who heard their was a protest and ran out to take pictures of it. Nothing actually happened.

>>51989099
Police show up because of violent protesters. Conservatives don't get the same level of police response because they don't riot like a bunch of subhuman retards.

>>51989004

That's a loaded question, and here's why:

Lets see you name some big conservative protests at all.

Protests are a tool for voicing discontent and raising awareness. By definition, the conservative party doesn't want to raise awareness and lobby for change, they want to keep things the way they are or roll them back. You don't protest to keep an anti-gay law on the books, but you do protest to rally against it. Ect ect.

There was a brief surge of Tea Party protests when the movement was first starting, but they petered out quickly. Other than that, the only conservative protests you really get are unnamed little protests at things like abortion clinics. Which to be fair the protest itself rarely gets violent anymore, but that doesn't mean that violence isn't done to the clinic, it just happens at other times because the clinic isn't going anywhere.

>>51989123
> Southern Poverty Law Center
Oh look, a bunch of trial lawyers who get rich accusing people of being racist accused people of being racist. In other news, water is wet.

>>51988622
>but if you're actually insisting that the government doesn't calculate poverty rate per state individually

"The U.S. Census Bureau determines poverty status by comparing pre-tax cash income against a threshold that is set at three times the cost of a minimum food diet in 1963, updated annually for inflation using the Consumer Price Index (CPI; see the last section of this FAQ for an explanation of the CPI), and adjusted for family size, composition, and age of householder. "Family" is defined by the official poverty measure as persons living together who are related by birth, marriage, or adoption. Thresholds do not vary geographically."

Read 'em and weep, tripfag.

This feels like a fucking F-35 v. SU-35 thread on /k. Y'all need to knock it back a couple notches.

>>51988911

1. He made a blanket statement that protests are perpetrated by uncivilized people and I responded by pointing out that the Sons of Liberty rioted and they are normally held up as heroes in American History, not barbarians

2. I would agree with you up until a point and that point is where the person voted into power is using that power to assault you. The actions of the person that you voted for, regardless of affiliation, reflect on those people that voted for them, to be completely clear I am not saying that we reached that point but that's the line I have and I can see us getting close to it

>>51988067
You're trying to mislead with that table. Every state has elections by district, not by "allocation by percentage of total state-wide votes". Some districts are won by huge margins (leading to large totals) while others are won by slivers. The aggregate totals mean nothing.

>>51989243
>Some districts are won by huge margins (leading to large totals) while others are won by slivers. The aggregate totals mean nothing.
Gerrymandering, of course, has no effect on this. :^)

>>51987979
The riot wasn't because of a "local bad neighbourhood" like you're implying. It was organized leftist violence attempting to shut down free speech, orchestrated by so-called "anti-fascists" who acted just like jackbooted...fascists.

>>51989270
It was a bunch of college students doing something dumb. God forbid that's ever happened before.

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OP here.

This question was not specifically related to us or china. These were just examples for big countries.

>>51989243
The whole point is to show how effective gerrymandering is. It allows a party to get more than two thirds of the seats even though their opponent got a majority of the votes because of the way the lines are drawn. Districts are created in order to concentrate your opponent's supporters into a small number of districts, while your own are spread over the remainder, allowing a party with less support to get more seats regardless of what the majority actually wants. That's gerrymandering, and the republicans have been very effective at using it to maintain control even when they might otherwise lose.

>>51989313
It was a bunch of leftists committing crimes against law-abiding citizens in the name of enforcing political correctness. It shows exactly how intellectually and morally bankrupt the left really is. They have no ideas, all they can do is scream and burn and loot when anyone else tries to talk.

>>51989369
This is the most obvious bait I've seen in days.

>>51988756

Referencing the actual movie quote, not the /tg/ meme.

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Reminder that Niggers and Beaners use significantly more government gibs than Whites. See also:

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

>>51987523
Exactly! If you just remove the military, gun ownership, nuclear arsenal and general sense of patriotism from the American people, they'll fold like a house of cards.

>>51989379
Nothing there is wrong. If that's your definition of bait, then that's your problem.

>>51985787
Cut off it's fuel sources.
Without oil you can't wage modern war.
China is easy, blockade the ports and watch it's industry and military starve as China doesn't have any important oil fields.

For US you need Texas and naval superiority.
Alaskan oil is not a problem as with naval superiority you can airstrike pipelines so it can not be transported.

Without fuel productions stops, tanks stops, planes do not fly.
After stockpiles runs out they could only throw light infantry at you, and light infantry is shit in open battle against mechanized force with air support.

Problem with Soviet Union was that Germans had to cover A LOT ground before they could get to something important, while both US and China have their most important places at the coast.

>>51985787
It is doable, I mean what was WWI for Russia?
In WWII the USSR and the ROC only did as well because of huge amounts of outside help. In the case of the ROC if the battle of midway had been a loss for the US its supplie lines would of been cut before their "Big Rear" plan had fully payed off. Heck in the Boxer Rebellion the Chinese did lose a land war. All of the players on the other side could of won the war by themselves ( barring Italy and Austria-Hungary) just taking a year or two longer.


> current us or china

Get a shit ton of friends and years of planning. Figure how to destroy their nukes when they are still on the ground. With a rather small amount of Russian help the US could do that very quickly because most of the newer Chinese ICBM are very near their border with Russia. That would be the best 1/3 of their nuke stock being gone right at the start.

>>51987262
>>51987906

http://ijr.com/2015/01/230371-2-map-shows-red-states-rely-federal-aid-looks-can-deceiving/

Try to show you aren't a joke.

>>51989450
Nobody is arguing that it was right you doublecuck.
They're just saying that some dumb teenagers who think they know everything- as is the prerogative of teenagers, twenty-somethings, and old men- did some stupid shit.

You're trying to say the one-world zionist leftist government sent elite political action commandos to terrorize the poor innocent citizens of Berkeley.

That would be like saying that the odd nutjob who shoots up black churches in the south is characteristic of all rightists everywhere. Dumb, stupid, will make whoever says it no friends, will not get them taken seriously, and only conceivable in the most cartoonishly black-and-white us-vs-them mentality.

Like those idiotic college kids, (who will be paying for what they did- they're students at the university after all) you need to grow up.

its like im really on /pol/

>>51986779
Good old American thinking. You earned this (You) and respect.

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Why does this state exist and what is its purpose in the US? Why hasn't Congress added it into Texas?

>>51989500
> You're trying to say the one-world zionist leftist government sent elite political action commandos to terrorize the poor innocent citizens of Berkeley.

Wrong. The people in Berkeley are the leftists. Those idiotic college kids that you're defending are criminals who riot, loot, burn, and kill because someone was going to say something that they didn't like. The fact that they're college kids doesn't excuse the fact that they behave like subhuman animals in service to a garbage political ideology that relies on violence and intimidation.

>>51987121
Quick, I found this time machine. It can transport you back 50 years to the time when your shitty state was actually successful and didn't rely on taxes and technology generated on the coasts.

>>51989748

>a garbage political ideology that relies on violence and intimidation.

What is the Republican Party platform

All (mostly) jokes aside, really man kill? Who did they kill in those protests? The property damage is just that, property damage, it doesn't matter in the long run or even in the particular short run, it's stuff. Even when Portland had it's most violent protest that actually involved a large amount of property damage the organizations immediately set up a fund to repair damage to small business owners so that they wouldn't be put too far behind from it and the corporations already had insurance against that kind of happenstance

>>51989794
> implying the coasts generate technology
They generate gender studies majors who whine their way into positions they don't merit. They don't produce anything anymore, they're too focused on virtue signaling to actually do any of the work required to develop new technologies.

>>51988870
can you read?

don't invade Russia in the winter

>>51986779

Oh God, my Texan nature is overtaking me, must hang on to patriotism...must not...be...contrarian shitposter...y'all

>>51989681
>Home of Fortune #1.
>One of the few states that would be self-sufficient in the union in the case of collapse.
>Also home of the largest chicken-products manufacturer, globally.

It's a crappy little place, but it's home, dammit.
Besides, we hate Texas.

>>51990027

Texas hates you too East Oklahoma.
I mean North Louisiana.
Sorry, I mean Arch-Kansas.

>>51986058
Camp Pendleton?

>>51990093
Ohoho, listen to the steer-fucker talk. Don't you have another national ranking to hit rock-bottom on?

>>51986933
Does archangel have a rocket launcher?

>>51987942
>if you want neutralise these two, you just nuke them. Nothing of value is lost.
>nuking NORAD
>an underground military base built underneath a mountain and that is explicitly designed to survive multiple direct hits from long-range nuclear weapons

Yeah you have fun with that.

>>51990197
> Don't you have another national ranking to hit rock-bottom on?
Of course not, he's not from Mississippi.

Split the earth and heavens in a single stroke. Cut down the mountains with a single glance. Stride onto the battlefield with the stride of an army a million strong. Grasp the fruit of heaven and conquer the world.

>>51989681
Why the fuck would we want Arkansas? It's like a shittier Kansas.

That said,

>>51990027
>implying Texarkana doesn't already bind us both no matter how much we hate each other

At least you're not Oklahoma.

>>51990197
>Texas
>national rock-bottom

Texas may not excel in all fields, but they mostly have their shit together to a reasonable level. Besides, if it's so shitty, why is everybody moving there?

>>51985787

3 times the troops. Twice the navy. And a fuck ton of artillery.

>>51990197

I'm sorry anon, I was just being cheeky, we don't really hate you.
We really don't even think about you.

>>51986032
Half the population, who just got killed.

>>51990475
The OVERWHELMING majority of the US population is on the east, west, or third coast.

Destroying the heartland would absolutely fuck over domestic US food supply, and the US would either experience massive famine or become dependent on another nation for major food imports (whereas today the US is theoretically self-sustaining, which is why crop subsidies are considered a strategic asset).

>>51985787
Establish total air superiority.

>>51988277
So you've seen it too, then?

If you want to win a land war against the US, first you have to get ON land.

You have a few options.

>Establish an Atlantic foothold (and get past everyone else patrolling the area)
>Establish a Gulf Coast foothold (and don't die in a hurricane)
>Establish a Pacific foothold (good luck)
>Establish a Bering foothold (and deal with the Russians at the same time)
>come down from the Arctic through Canada (General Winter does not only fight for Russia, and have fun dealing with the REST of the Anglosphere the moment you shoot anyone)
>come up through Mexico (good luck holding Mexico long enough to establish a supply line)

Isn't it weird how we need an attack on American soil every few decades or so to preserve unity in the states?

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>>51990686
A common enemy can do much to unify a people.

Without that enemy, division sets in. Trust dies. Friendships and even families are broken. So blame your anarchists, your fascists, your communists, your "barbarians." It won't matter, in the end, which side you took. Division is your true enemy - and where it reigns, there is no hope.

All according to plan.

>>51989748
I mean, compared to you, anyone is a leftist. :^)

>>51987716
psh, try Canada. we've got over ten times America's amount, five if you don't count islands

>>51991603
How much of that is ice? and who'd invade Canada except to get at the US? I totally see your point though.

>>51986296
if I recall correctly, the royal navy also mauled a few choice american frigates compared to their losses. the difference was that the royal navy had more boats than brain cells at that point, what with fighting a major naval conflict in no less than four major theatres/oceans, while the US navy was tiny and could barely keep up.

it was a tie in the end anyways: britain had difficulty sending troops that far overseas and was suffering from war exhaustion, whilst america learned that canada is just as vast and hard to control as the states were, but with worse winters and angry frenchmen. status quo, borders reset and here we are two hundred years later, the best of friends.

>>51985787
China - Control/raze the coast.Without sea trade China crumbles

Russia - Destroy all pipelines,railroads,bridges and tunnels.

>>51990686
>every few decades to preserve unity
The fuck are you talking about? 50-90 was 40 straight yrs without an attack on US and the country was together.

Before the Civil War it was peaceful and post-reconstruction it was peaceful.

Quit your shit.

>>51991851
>Terrorists attack US
>We're still arguing about social justice and Donald Trump

>>51987346
so an actual argument as to why california might succeed on its own is replied to by the sputtering of buzzwords.

fuck me do I hate the stupidity of the alt-right. ain't even an american

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>>51985787
>Nobody won a war by dying for their country, the only way to win a war is by making some poor bastard die for theirs.

>>51991637
crossing ice field ain't as easy as it may seem. remember top gear's north pole misadventure? try that, but for, y'know, an army. canada's surprisingly well defended against pesky nosy russians

completely understand your point about getting at the states. however, consider what would happen if canada was invaded, even by the states. who's going to account for that nearly 9000 km border and all the potential spillover? america's national security is partially built around the fact that they have a peaceful, well-developed, friendly neighbour to the north so they don't need to fortify that massive border.

tl;dr: Canada needs the US to survive economically, the US needs Canada to exist so it can protect its northern flank.

>>51988404
you've clearly never heard of the byzantines. or the french. or the brits. or the boxer rebellion

>>51991978
Yeah I saw your point, sometimes I like to think, that if america had socialized medicine Canada might just join the union, nothing but a pipe dream at this point though.

>>51986058

most californians aren't as snobby or obnoxious as new englanders

desu everything north of richmond and east of cincinatti should be gassed

>>51989209
its 4chan and its a chance for various american regions to rip into each other. you really think it wouldn't happen?

both objectively inferior, upgraded and rebuilt F-15 a best

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>>51985787
>You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never to get involved in a land war in Asia.

>>51986369
Arizona doesn't give two shits and the US carries a net surplus in federal moneys.

>>51989331
sorry OP, you've unleashed the state tribalism that seems to be taking over

>>51989503
/pol/'s about as good at containment as a sieve nowadays. they pop up fucking everywhere and on everything. its honestly getting ridiculous

>>51990295
incidentally:

>implying taking out cheyenne mountain will magically cause NORAD to cease to exist

what is the DEW line and all the other self-sufficient radar systems

You don't.

Remember Vietnam? Afghanistan? The US is both of those on steroids. Almost every terrain on Earth in a single country with 100 million potential guerrillas. There legitimately isn't a force on the planet that has even a 1% chance of winning a land war in the US.

>>51992098
Lets not forget an easily motivated people who have high firearm use, ownership and ability.

>>51992018
apologies, my hackles are up after reading this shitshow of a thread

you guys don't even need to socialize it; just have state taxation be allowed to be put towards public healthcare under guidelines set by washington. everyone keeps their states rights, everyone gets access to good-quality healthcare. it's just something that seems to make sense, yet everyone either treats it as a potential political time bomb or needing to be implemented now, damn the consequences.

>>51985950
Look if destroying America was that simple someone would have done it by now.

>>51992129
That ice comment was my first post in the thread and honestly you're right the thread is a shit show, because its the same /pol/ reality deniers vs people who think before they speak, as usual.

I would prefer socialization but I see how that could work as well, and it's only a timebomb because somehow we're still recovering what basically amounts to "Anti-commie" shitposting on a national level over a period of 40 - 50 years commonly called a Cold War, ridiculous, I know.

>>51992124
That's what I meant with the potential guerrillas. Gun owners in the states make the NVA, VC, Taliban, etc look like ants in comparison. You would have to be suicidal to consider putting boots on the ground. Even a one million force of American guerillas fighting an invading force could drag a war on for 50 years and one million is the underestimate of a lifetime.

Leftists may not like it, but the second amendment is THE reason America is uninvadable. It's the ultimate deterrent.

>>51992192
least I found a good conversation partner.

my concern is less about /pol/ postshitters then it is variety of their leakage. I found trump vs. anti trump debates in a fucking /ck/ thread about beer a few days back. i remember pre-election when it was still kind of acceptable because stuff would get done besides this, but now its gotten to the point where anything and everything is a flashpoint here

man, what the hell defines communism anymore. it certainly isn't modern communists because they all went and built factories and got filthy stinking rich

>>51992257
> the second amendment is THE reason America is uninvadable
It's a secondary reason. The main one is that it's bordered to the north and south by weak neighbors and to the east and west by fish.

>>51992286
I think everything's become a flashpoint because all the Nazi/pol/ fuckers feel vindicated and like they won, while at the same time their idol Mr. Trump, is showing himself to be a colossal moron on a worldwide level. So they blow up and have to defend against anything remotely left leaning to even begin to feel good about themselves.

I always go by the original definition of power of production in the hands of the workers, the ironic part of all the NO COMMIE attitude is that 95% of what our government does is socialized and conservatives seem to selectively ignore this as they please.

If this thread is any proof, I guess the way to deal with the US is to stir up enough shit to make the states fight each other.

:^)

>>51992382
what, politicians in america ignoring things that inconvenience them?

perish the thought

>>51992454
I know, I don't understand why except to pander to the most retarded of voters, but I'm just one citizen,

>>51992505
the only issue i've ever had with democracy is that you occasionally have to pander to the opinions of people who have no clue about an issue, but convince themselves that change cannot be good for them and that they need to have "normal people" in executive positions of power as opposed to well-educated, well-versed individuals with an understanding of policy and issues.

gee, its almost like trump's """""""policy""""""" proposals don't actually work when put into practice

>>51992382
> their idol Mr. Trump, is showing himself to be a colossal moron on a worldwide level.
The only things he's done so far have been pretty good, and it's still early yet. Every new administration goes through a rocky period at the start, and this one has the entire MSM dead set against it and willing to make up just about anything to try to make it look bad.

>>51992544
Half of his campaign goals would essentially divide america, weakening it severely he pandered to libertarians with half of his mission statement it sounds absolutely retarded on its face and flies against 240 years of the way america has worked and worked well.

>>51992571
The problem, sir, is that none of it is made up, blown out of proportion maybe, but made up, not at all, and I'm not just talking about MSM news alone here. He is making a fool of himself and colluding with Russia, which should bother all the anti-commie fags because, guess what, Putin is and always was a communist in an era that saw the fall of communism as a major world power.

>>51992625
>The problem, sir, is that none of it is made up
> He is making a fool of himself and colluding with Russia
This is exactly what I'm talking about. The entire Russia story is MSM bullshit that the Clinton campaign tried to use to distract from their absurd criminality and the MSM ran with it because it gave them something to attack Trump with. There's nothing to it beyond the winning of sore losers who can't except the fact that the American people rejected the left because they had nothing to offer except empty virtue signaling.

>>51992850
It's sad that you think the mainstream media can create complete bullshit on a whim, Trump is colluding with Russia, this is fact, sorry. He's also abusing his position to get an advantage in his business deals, and this is also fact. Next I bet you'll call me a fucking sheeple without seeing how ironic it is when you believe more bullshit than 95% of people who follow the MSM alone.

>>51992382

>Trayvon Martin coulda been muh son
-Obongo

>>51992625

>Leftcuck pretending to be patriotic

>>51992850
Ignoring Russia: he's flailed at the courts, worsened diplomatic ties with several nations, started rolling health care back, fired some people and maybe created a handful of construction jobs. Oh, and hurt tourism, because the rest of the first world is chocka with lefties. But he's only been there a hot minute.

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>>51992993

>>51992930

> Trump is colluding with Russia

Unlike how Saudi Arabia has interfered with America and Obongo's Administration butted into Israel's election.

>>51992930
> It's sad that you think the mainstream media can create complete bullshit on a whim
They have. The whole story lacks even basic proof to back up any of the allegations. It's just a bunch of talking heads speculating and some political hacks trying to whip up a new cold war.

> He's also abusing his position to get an advantage in his business deals
Which shillary has been doing for decades now, yet the left never had a problem with that. She took millions from the Saudis in exchange for access.

>>51993022

>he's flailed at the courts

Activist judges.

> worsened diplomatic ties with several nations,

Can't beat Obama's Nobel Peace Prize.

>Oh, and hurt tourism, because the rest of the first world is chocka with lefties.

You mean Cucknada and Islamupe?

>>51993022
> he's flailed at the courts
Because liberals cannot into law. There's something called the political question doctrine which is supposed to prevent courts from making decisions on policy. There job is just to apply the law, not second guess its wisdom, especially when it comes to national security. The left, however, flat out ignored that in their rush to try to block Trump from doing anything, no matter how good an idea it was.

> worsened diplomatic ties with several nations
Shillary was agitating for WW3. Merely worse ties is nothing next to that.

> started rolling health care back
Good. He was elected to repeal Obamacare, because the American people despise it. The massive spike in health insurance costs caused by Obamacare is one of the things that led to Trump winning. The sooner it's gone, the sooner prices will start coming down again.

> maybe created a handful of construction jobs
He created more jobs even before taking office than Obama did in 8 years.

>>51986926
China's military is hilariously bad for a country their size.

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Reminder that the MSM's acceptance by the public is at a historic low.

>>51992930

> It's sad that you think the mainstream media can create complete bullshit on a whim

Hands up don't shoot!

Also, White Man George Zimmerman who killed innocent Saint Trayvon.

>>51993028
We've been uneasy allies with Saudi Arabia for a very long time mostly thanks to USSRussia, and how is interfering with Israel new we've been doing this since like 1918?
>>51993044
Personal contact between Trump and Putin from before he was elected going back quite a while isn't proof enough for you?! Russia hacking us on election day isn't enough for you?!! Him appointing other Russia collaborators to his cabinet isn't enough proof for you?!!!
>>51993099
Liberals into law better than any Republican, actually wasn't our previous president a Lawyer?

That you believe Russia had the balls to go to war with the USA And would have flown through a no-fly zone set up through the UN by us, speaks volumes about how stupid you are, Russia does not have the resources to compete militarily with us at all, Putin was posturing and peacocking nothing more.

Except I've been hearing a lot of displeasure from both sides of the aisle that he repealed it,(laying aside the fact that he has no power to repeal it, and never will), without something to replace it.

That is categorically false Obama single-handedly brought us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression, so you're spouting complete bullshit.

>>51993195

> We've been uneasy allies with Saudi Arabia for a very long time mostly thanks to USSRussia

>Pretending Saudi Arabia's government doesn't support terrorists

Next you'll be saying Islam is a religion of peace.

> and how is interfering with Israel new we've been doing this since like 1918

IT'S OKAY WHEN WE DO IT

>>51993253
Why do you think I said "uneasy allies" you fucking idiot?

No religion is a religion of peace, not Hinduism, not Buddhism, not any form of Christianity, not Islam, not a single fucking one of em, so get your strawman bullshit the FUCK out of here!

I never said it was okay, just that we've been doing for almost 100 years, so another strawman. * Claps loudly*

>>51987424
Hong Kong is really sick of mainland China and probably wish they were still British. They've had massive day long protests and there's a lot of political play trying to avoid the communist party to shit on them as much as they do rest of China.

>>51993195
> Liberals into law better than any Republican, actually wasn't our previous president a Lawyer?
And yet he flatly refused to actually enforce the law.

> That you believe Russia had the balls to go to war with the USA And would have flown through a no-fly zone set up through the UN by us
That no-fly zone would require that we shoot down Russian planes, which is an act of war. So yes, no-fly zone = war with Russia.

> Except I've been hearing a lot of displeasure from both sides of the aisle that he repealed it
Soros' paid agitators in town halls are meaningless. The American people rejected Obamacare by electing Trump to get rid of it.

> laying aside the fact that he has no power to repeal it, and never will
lolwut. Liberals actually think king nigger's dictates are above the law. It's a bill that was passed by Congress, it can just as easily be undone by Congress.

> Obama single-handedly brought us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression, so you're spouting complete bullshit.
Obama is the reason why it was the recession was so awful. He did nothing but spend and spend and spend when everyone knows that the first step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging. Instead, he doubled the debt with his "stimulus" and "shovel ready jobs" that were really nothing more than a way to reward his Chicago cronies.

>>51993195
> Except I've been hearing a lot of displeasure from both sides of the aisle that he repealed it,(laying aside the fact that he has no power to repeal it, and never will), without something to replace it.
There already is something to replace it, the system that we had before Obamacare mucked it up. Repeal it and we can go back to that. We had the best healthcare system in the world, people from all over the globe would fly in to the US for treatment, including nations with supposedly wonderful socialized medicine. Why the fuck did we need to give that up? Because liberal progressives thought that would be "progress"? They should have just left well enough alone, but instead now we're stuck with skyrocketing prices thanks to Obamacare.