Who is worst Primarch?

>>51983514
Mortarion.

>>51983514
It's Russ.
We've been over this, anon.

>>51983514
either girlyman because his inability to ever lose making him a boring character or russ

>>51983514
Abaddon the harmless

>>51983514
Magnus was given a simple instruction.

>Don't use your fucking witchpowers, son.

Magnus decided to disobey his Emperor, Father and Commander.

He damned humanity.
He damned prospero.
He damned the galaxy at large.
He is solely responsible for the horrors of the siege of terra.
He was an idiot or toddler incapable of following extremely simple instructions.

And everything he did was for no reason at all.

If you like magnus it's because you're literally a fucking degenerate.

>>51983514
Given the new Inferno book for HH, Russ is a hot contender.

>>51985090
You find out the your brother is planning to kill your dad, what do you do?
Try to get there as fast as you can
He didn't have time to go through all the different rituals and was thus, fucked over
He could have easily beat russ or the yiffs but decided not to
Otherwise he's an autistic manchild

>>51985249
You stall for time and follow your orders while still sending your REDUNDANT warning. It's not like the heresy lasted multiple decades lol.

Better still, have a fucking astropathic choir send the message, it'll still get there faster than a ship.

>>51985249
>"Could have easily beat Russ and the yiffs"
>Comes back as a supercharged daemon prince to attacks the yiffs' homeworld
>Yiffs are now Chapter, not Legion.
>Primarch vanished, half of Legion assets lost with the Wolf Brothers
>Magnus BTFO
>Twice

Anon.

>>51985072
>inb4 abaddon the armless

>>51983514
MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG.

>>51985399
That's because GW's writers have lost what little grasp on the lore they had (see Fenris' "pure warp soul").

None of the Daemon primarchs should ever make an appearence in 40k, with he possible exception of Angron, since he's effectively just a bunch of Bloodthirsters taped together.

>>51985010
>his inability to ever lose making him a boring character
>nearly decapitated by Fulgrim
>forced into stasis for 10,000 years
>never loses

>>51985399
When russ first attacked prospero, magnus could have easily fucked up the yiffs before they could have reached the planet, but choose not to
When magnus and russ were 1v1ing magnus was holding back
You know how bullshit GW is with the lore
Look at "pure warp soul of fenris" for example

>>51985090
>here son, I'm genetically engineering you to have witch powers
>your witch powers are super powerful
>I have similar powers and I use them all the time, and I'm awesome.
>don't use them tho

>>51985615
>"D-Defeats don't count if I don't like the lore."

TSfags getting desperate.

Magnus is Tzeentch's bitch these days, just like he always was.

Magnus aint do nothing

>>51985710
Andl lemon is in the warp and probably a giant wolf
Literally all the primarchs are autistic manchildren prove me wrong

>>51985710
Never disputed that.
The fact is, Magnus story was done. There is no reason for him to bother with the material realm at all.
When he does, it's almost alwayssome hack writer needing material for their wolf wankery (see Battle for the Fang, where 1 Runepriests outmackigs the entire TS legion INCLUDING MAGNUS and 1 Bloodclaw wrecks an entire squad of rubrics, including a sorcerer).

>>51983514
Daily reminder that Lion Elf's Jhonson is STILL hiding from his chapter, right under their noses, and pouting like a little baby.

Other Primarch's died, or finally bit off more than they could chew, but him? Nine THOUSAND year sulk fest. FFS not even Konrad, emo fuck that he was, was not that big a man-baby.

>>51985863
>FFS not even Konrad, emo fuck that he was, was not that big a man-baby.
Implying Konrad wouldn't have done exactly that if he had only thought of it.

>>51985808
You mean besides revenge? Or Tzeentch telling him to do it? Daemon Primarchs are rare, not nonexistent

>>51985654

Don't forget Corax whooped his ass at holographic miniature wargaming until Guilliman got gud.

>>51985946
Magnus' lore has always been that of a man utterly broken by fate. He knows that while the wolves might have been the instrument, his downfall was entirely orchestrated by Tzeentch, down to the Rubric.
He knows that revenge would be pointless and that the Imperium is perfectly capable of going down the shitter wthout his help. So he spends most of his time in his tower, staring into the warp to see how things might have turned out differently.
Same goes for most of his sorcerers, Ahriman's cabal being the notable exception.

Up until recently, him being obsessed with revenge has been the squarelly in the domain of mediocre SW novels, who feel their protags are too kewl to only take on roque sorcerers.

>>51986060
Nice headcanon.

>>51985703

He was made a psyker so he could sit on the golden throne.

Imagine if you had to painstakingly make a clone with the powers of Superman, because you needed Superman's heat vision to power a device that would keep the galaxy from exploding. So you tell your son, look, don't fly around punching things. And then he does that and destroys the galaxy saving machine.

And you dumbasses defend that shit.

>>51986079
Oh, you're that kind of anon.
Should have said so earlier; would have saved me a lot of typing.

>>51986060
>Spends thousands of years as a literal daemon living in hell
>Serves the literal god of change
>"H-His character will always remain stagnant, anon."

Nurgle please.

>>51986168
Daemon Princes are not bound to the the willof the gods the way normal daemons are.
Admittedly Tzeentch can probably force Magnus to do his bidding in some matter (never really explained in the lore), but to my knowledge it was never really mentioned.

Magnus getting involved in 40k is a cheap way to up the stakes, with some shuddy lore clamped on afterwards to justify it, same with Rowboat returning.

>>51986093
Nope, it's different anon. You are projecting your headcanon on Fagnus.

>>51986250
>Daemon Princes are not bound to the the willof the gods the way normal daemons are.

Yes, they are. They are part of the god and everything they do from now on is in his service.

And stop headcanoning.

>>51985808
One bloodclaw wrecking a unit of rubics can happen in game

>>51986398
Rubrics are such trash

>>51986250
>"Magnus should be in moping in his tower forever."

Fuck that. It's bad lore, and it's boring. Tzeentch would get tired of unchanging emo and give him a feathery boot up the ass if nothing else.

Also Khorne Daemonkin explicitly call daemon prince-hood an eternity of slavery.

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>>51986636
>Also Khorne Daemonkin explicitly call daemon prince-hood an eternity of slavery.
That's because GWs new writers don't do their homework.

>Fuck that. It's bad lore, and it's boring.
No, it was aconscious decision to sever the ties between 30k and 40k, to emphasize the decline in scale and grandeur that had taken place in between.

>>51983514
How did he lose on Fenris?

>>51986740
Did you just rip text from a WHFB army book?

>>51986822
Yeah, why?
Are you one of the idiots that insists that things work differently btween the two?

>>51986740
But isn't that why Abbadon doesn't want to be a daemon prince, so he's not a slave to the gods?
Instead he tries to bind demons into people and Orks so he can have an army of crazy possessed.

>>51986865
I'm honestly not sure why Abbadon doesn't ascend.
I assume its something similar to Archaon; the chosen of all Four must be mortal.
Besides, if the gods really wanted to screw him over, what difference would him being mortal make?

>>51986740
> "Daemon Princes retain much of their individuality and independence."
>This somehow means their gods, who gave them their power and can take it away, can't boss them around.

Reading comprehension, anon.

>Muh lost grandeur

Guess what? It's time for the apocalypse, everyone who's anyone is going to be there. Even a scrub like Magnus.

>>51986865
>>51986903
Daemonhood means the loss of their freewill. See Be'lakor.

>>51986930
He didn't loose his free will, he is simply not powerful enough to defeat the Big Four.

>>51986947
He's explicitly acting on behalf of one or another without realizing it. An unwitting pawn in the Great Game.

>>51986947
Read his dataslate. Be'lakor has no freewill. He is slave to the Chaos Gods and their game but he doesn't know it.

>>51986972
Only because they are more powerful than him, not because he is automatically subserviant.
He can and has rebelled against them in the past.

>>51986947
Demon princes have the illusion of free will but they are ultimately slaves to the will of their gods, its why Abaddon and Archaon never accepted demonhood as it would mean sacrificing their personal goals for an eternity of slavery.

>>51987004
by that definitions they are still slaves though, since the gods can withdraw their blessing the moment they go against their will.

>>51987015
Abaddon can handle himself without the Warp.

See: Cadia, Fall of

>>51983514
>>Taken down by the Space Yiffs and Grey Knights five seconds after Khorne punched through his faggy "everything-proof" shield

Wait, did Khorne actually intervene in the war for Fenris on the side of the Imperium because he hates Magnus that much? That's fucking hilarious

>>51987015
Sure and it would suck but it would leave Abaddon unchanged, less powerful without legions of demons but he would still have the same goals and the same personality. Demon Princes on the other hand CANT go against the will of the gods, even Be'lakor is a pawn in the great game and he's probably the most powerful and 'independent' prince.

>>51987049
Something to do with the Khornate axe the Logan Grimmnar has.

>>51987067
>Demon Princes on the other hand CANT go against the will of the gods
Again, they CAN defy their patrons.
It will lead to them getting their heads kicked in, but they have the capability to rebel, unlike normal daemons.

>>51987175
Daemons can rebel against gods and be exiled see: Kha'Bandha and Masque.

>>51987217
Pretty sure the Masque was just Slaanesh throwing a tantrum, not sure about Kha'Bhanda.
He the one who got his wings ripped to shreds?

>>51987237
He tried to overthrow Khorne.

>>51987261
Consiously or simply because he was raging at the time?

>>51987217
You mean Skarbrand.>>51987237

>>51987015
FoC, IIRC, says that Abaddon is as strong with the Chaos as he is without them.

>>51987217
According to WHFB daemon army book, the Chaos Gods allow the Greater Daemons independence and free action to the point of rebellion because everything they do ultimately serves the will of the god.

>>51987237
>He the one who got his wings ripped to shreds?
No that was Skarbrand. He attacked Khorne and got his shit kicked in. Still that was just one of th Blood God's Moods manifesting itself. It's not like he could have usurped him anyways.
In the end Khorne was pleased proven by the fact the Skarbrand still kills in multiple realities.

>>51983514


There's no denying Magnus was a genius when it came to the arcane. That's what he was born to do, the Emperor's Sorcerer, the poster boy for the Emperor's eventual 'psykers are not bad they are our ultimate destiny' stick, except as you said, Magnus got tricked by Tzeentch (Magnus' towering pride - which ironically enough parallels his father's own - did not help).

Magnus was actually one of Emps' more-favored sons, at least prior to Nikaea. And even after Nikaea, Emps still hoped to reconcile with Magnus eventually, as shown when Magnus emerged from the ruins of the Imperial Webway the Emperor not only recognized him but also, and to quote "...the sight broke his heart."

If it weren't for the Istvaan V Drop Site Massacre, I believe Russ and the Wolves would be receiving as astropathic distress signal that Fenris was under attack, and upon arriving they'd find V Legion ships in orbit and White Scars scouring the settlements. And when Russ and the VI descend to the surface and their fleet prepares to engage, surprise, surprise, Bucephalus emerges from the Warp accompanied by an attendant fleet, Emps ordering the VI Legion fleet to stand down before descending to the surface accompanied by Khan and the Custodians. And when he confronts Russ...

"Father, what is..."

"KNEEL."

"Father?"

"KNEEL."

Against their will, the Space Wolves are crushed to their knees, Russ being the last to fall, falling on all fours before shakily raising his head in disbelief to stare at the Emperor in shock and betrayal, while Khan looks on with a veiled expression of satisfaction.

>>51987823

In your little head canon there, why is the Emperor censuring one of his... if not (arguably) most loyal Son?

>>51987917
Because he blew the one chance to MAYBE contain the warprift under Terra?

Not sure how Big E is on Fenris though...

>>51987823
>tries to mimic the Lorgar shit on Russ

Pathetic

>>51987917
Simple,He wanted magnus brought back to Terra so he could fix THE MASSIVE HOLE HE TORE IN THE IMPERIAL WEBWAY. WHICH HE COULDN'T DO IF HE WAS DEAD.

>>51987823
>If the Horus Heresy hadn't happened my shitty headcannon would've instead.

If Horus hadn't been about to get his heresy on he never would've ordered Russ to burn Prospero.

learn2lore

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>>51988109
FAIR ENOUGH

>>51988009

The Horus Heresy Black Library writers all hate the Emperor and the Imperium so I wouldn't doubt they'd write the Emperor as poorly as that.

You burnt my world, Father?
>Yes, you tried to kill Magnus
I was tricked by Horus, Father, he manipulated me and changed your grim-dark arrest warrant to a grim-dark death sentence, I could not have known
>Regardless, I'm still going to burn your world and kill your people
Father, I'm really not to blame here, and have you considered your poor parenting techniques are what caused half of your sons to go traitor?
>I can't hear you, Boy, I'm slaying native Fenrisians

>>51985654

Losing to Fulgrim was before the Wardian GW writers took over

Rest assured he will get his revenge on Fulgrim

>>51985654
>nearly decapitated by Fulgrim
Let's be fair, Fulgrim is pretty good at decapitating Primarchs.

>>51986617
No, they're just very good at killing MEQ's that aren't in cover while acting as psychic batteries for your powerhouse Sorcerers.

The problem is that there are better MEQ killers and Horrors do the psychic battery thing far better, so it's usually better to just go with the specialists rather than the all-rounder.

It's similar to the Defiler problem, really.

>>51986753
Proving that even immortal Primarch daemon-sorcerers are cowardly bitches, Magnus (with some assistance from the Blue Scribes) devised a warding that was essentially god-mode. Khorne found this unmanly as fuck, so when Logan hit Magnus with his reforged Khornate axe it ripped through his shield like tissue paper. From there it took the Grey Knights all of a few seconds to banish him.

Magnus BTFO.

>>51985888
>implying Curze didnt want to die

>>51983514

Corvus Corax is a pretty faggy character

>>51988954

I always liked Khorne.

Then again I'm a meleefag who hates casters. If only I didn't hate red and like blue

>>51988201
Honestly, the Emperor wasn't around enough to treat his sons as sons. They grew to adulthood without him, I think saying he was their father at all may have been a mistake from the start. Treating them like adults and generals and giving their home planets more credit may have helped there.

>>51985703
>>51988939
>they're just very good at killing MEQ's that aren't in cover
Outperformed by cheaper units armed with Plasma, and their effectiveness drops sharply as soon as any sort of Cover or Invulnerable save is involved.

>acting as batteries
150 points for 1 WC is dog shit, even if the alternative of Pink Horrors didn't exist.

The problem with current rubrics is that they're shitty sorcerers. The squad psyker should be 2W and ML2 with access to the all important Spell Familiar. The issue with how expensive Rubrics are is that you have to buy hundreds of points of Rubrics and Scarab Occult, and then you still have to spend hundreds of points buying HQ psykers that are actually good at casting and likely to randomly generate some of the good spells. Tzeentch Discipline still being fucked doesn't help either.

>>51990440
30k era world eaters say hi

>>51988201
ADB would do it for sure.

>>51986857
Considering that Slaanesh is still around and moving in 40k, yes.

>>51985358
He could've not known it was redundant.
Also warp storms blocked astropaths.

He was in a situation were he had to break the edict.

>>51992966
Except all he did was make everything a million times worse by confining the Emperor to Terra for the duration of the war to fight the endless tide of daemons he unleashed.

Also, he was already breaking the edict long before sending his message.

>>51987917
After said son willfully drove away the most useful and otherwise loyal son? And genocide a planet for it?
Russ fucked up big time. Not Curze level but quite close regarding the fallout.

>>51993130
All he did was obey the Warmaster, who had literally been given leave to speak with the Emperor's voice by the Big E himself.

>>51988954
Great game. The four constantly fuck each other over.

>>51993153
And ignoring a direct command of the emperor for it.

>>51983514
What's with the nipple horns on Magnus?

>>51993178
>The Emperor, enraged, did not listen, and banished Magnus from his sight. He then ordered Horus to unleash the Space Wolves, capture Magnus and bring him to Terra in chains. Horus instead told Russ to bring utter devastation to the Thousand Sons.

That's the canon version from Wrath of Magnus.Codex > BL

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>>51983514
>magnus the Fagnus

>>51985863
I think someone is insecure about Thramas. I know a Night Lord when I see one.

>>51983514
Sanguinius of course. He should have joined Horus and fuck the False Emperor out of the Galaxy.

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>>51993246
You're not funny OP, replying to your own comments won't help.

>>51994798
Go to bed Abaddon

>>51983514
Lion Fag Johnson

>>51986972
>>51986947
>>51987000
He's not intentionally subservient but every single thing Be'lakor will ever do is to fulfill the schemes of the gods and fail. Daemon Princes have personalities beyond their gods, their memories of humanity and some emotions.

They do not have free will. They still have aspects of their gods in them. The fate the gods have written for them will always occur.

>>51986389
Explain skarbrand

>>51994837
Kek

>>51993237
Nope. Whatever is new goes.

>>51985072
What part of 'PRIMARCH' did you not understand anon?

>>51984918
^This.

>>51993186
Don't diss the boobtusks anon.

>>51986060

He was man broken by fate but also hubris.

His legion literally kept daemons as pets.

The 1ksons arrogance fucked them just as hard as the Wolves or anything else.

>>51988913
Killing Primarchs is arguably what Fulgrim is best at

>>51984918
^Only this

>>51997718
Tutelaries aren't neccessarily daemons, they are like the entities that exist between the astronomican and the warp since they are a part of the psykers soul.

Also Magnus obviously was supremely confident but that doesn't mean he wasn't vigilant and intelligent. He was winning his pact with Tzeentch to get rid of the flesh change simply by serving the Emperor, most the sons were doing fine and had very developed rituals and restrictions for themselves as well as the technology for psychic hoods and crystal attunement.

At the end of the day they were right, the lack of knowledge and the destruction of the great crusade left the Imperium totally open to chaos fuckery.

>>51998435
It's been suggested that tutelaries are time traveling shards of Magnus

>>51983514

The main problem with Magnus is that he's a fucking pawn in the hands of fate. He just sort of falls backwards into Chaos - He never really goes "Okay, I'm invested in this shit now." He's just kind of "Oh fuck, I fucked everything and everyone. I guess I HAVE to side with Horus. God, I made such a fucking mess of this, didn't I?"

It's not very impressive, as plots go. Like, he's just sort of going along with everyone else, dragging his feet because he's caught up in the swell of things.

I mean, Lorgar's a shit, but Lorgar at least believes - passionately - in what he's doing. Magnus doesn't, and if he was left to his own devices he would much prefer to fuck off.

>>51998435

> He was winning his pact with Tzeentch to get rid of the flesh change simply by serving the Emperor, most the sons were doing fine and had very developed rituals and restrictions for themselves as well as the technology for psychic hoods and crystal attunement.

No he wasn't, Tzeentch basically made every Marine in his Legion a time-bomb, set to go off when they would do the most possible harm.

>>51998435
>Tutelaries aren't neccessarily daemons
Khayon's tutelary was a daemon (or at least turned into one, it's been a while since I read Talon of Horus). There's a TS Sorcerer in the Ahriman trilogy that runs into his tutelary, and it had definitely been a daemon the whole time.

The canon Nikaea scenario was pretty retarded. They should have clearly established that the TS were using spooky warp shit that went beyond standard psykery, with librarians from other legions to display the difference. Instead, they had the SW use their own spooky warp shit and act like a bunch of hypocrites, making Magnus and the Sons look innocent.

>>51998849

The problem is that the book 'A Thousand Sons' was really poorly written. It was so poorly written that Dan Abnett has to make a save.

In ATS, the battle's actually really dumb. Everyone just smashes into each other, and the wizards pull out a Titan with crystal controls that also has pyrokinesis.

In Prospero Burns, however, the Wolves are scared shitless of the Thousand Sons. When the TS actually engage them in combat, their effect is completely disproportionate: Entire squads of Marines are incinerated in vast numbers when they start hurling magic around, and they only falter when the Sisters of Silence turn up.

Sorcery in 40K is supposed to be some seriously scary shit, even more scary than the usual psyker stuff. I mean, the Space Wolves are familiar with psyker bullshit, but the Thousand Sons creep them out on a fundamental level.

>>51998877
I think one of the issues is that there isn't really a good, widely applied division between sorcery and psykery. A lot of 40k material kinda uses the two interchangeably, or just refers to psykery as sorcery whenever it's being criticized.

Establish a concrete definition for sorcery, and then have the Thousand Sons dabble in it. That way, Nikaea can come out and say "don't do sorcery, but psykery is fine as long as you're careful."

>>51998849
>The canon Nikaea scenario was pretty retarded.

Horus Heresy Inferno makes it pretty clear that it wasn't the psykers the Imperium had issue with, but the occultism, ritual, and all the reminders they had of Old Night.

>>51998958

Being a psyker seems to limit you to your basic talent. For instance, a pyrokinetic is always fundamentally a pyrokinetic. Sure, psykers may have general abilities, but it's limited to their main gift and being a psyker in general.

Sorcery, in contrast - apart from daemonology - seems to give the users a wide variety of effects. Like, if you're a sorcerer, you can learn spells to emulate any psyker ability, even those outside your particular 'gift'. You do this by drawing on the power of the Warp even more than you usually do.

>>51998962
Too bad the BL series already got there first and shit on the floor.

>>51983514
>Not Corvus
>Not Lorgar
>Not Pert

>>51985702
>When magnus and russ were 1v1ing magnus was holding back

Except no he wasn't? He had held him and his forces back the entire fight but when it came to the 1v1 he decided to stop dicking around, he went all out and lost

>>51999074

Magnus basically shot himself in the foot in every way possible.

>>51984918
This.

Russ and space wolf players at the worst part of the setting/game

>>51985090
Leman Russ pls go

>>51999074
Lol, Magnus could have won the battle countless times but chose not to

>>51999548
Then why did he lose two subsequent battles against the lessened, Primarch-less yiffs despite being even more powerful than on Prospero, TSfag?

>>51997838
He's failed at it 50% of all the times he's ever attempted it.

>>51985010
You're not allowed to say this anymore, anon.
/tg/'s become the kind of place where the proper behavior is to fellate ultramarines as often as possible. We have forgiven Matt Ward, and realize he is the only bringer of true wisdom. Any criticism of ultrasmurfs or the girlyman is to be done only ironically, as a nod to the place this used to be.
A nice sign of how the place has turned to shit.

>>51986081
To be fair, this plan has a few holes in it.

>>51986903
Mortality keeps him the most Mary Sue.

>come at me chaos-bro

>>51999946
>/tg/'s become the kind of place where the proper behavior is to fellate ultramarines as often as possible.
Speak for yourself redshirt

>>51996644
Thereby forcing everyone to buy the newest products to be the most right.
And you are all completely cool with this.
This is why this franchise a shit.
This is why this hobby a shit.
This is why geekdom a shit.

>>51999548
Except its literally stated he didn't hold back, went all out, and lost

>>52000199
I have yet to hear any TS fag who makes the argument "M-Magnus held back against Russ" explain how he lost twice more against non-Primarchs despite being daemonically empowered and going all-out.

Least to most Douchy Primarchs
Vulkan
Sanguinius
Magnus
Corvus Corax
Jaghatai
Horus
Ferrus Manus
Rogal Dorn
Roboute Guilliman
Alpharius Omegon
Lion El'Johnson
Fulgrim
Mortarion
Leman Russ
Angron
Perturabo
Konrad Curze
Lorgar

Lorgar, because the bitch ruined everything for everyone for no damned reason.

>>51983514
Ferrus Manus.

He gets killed by Fulgrim. The canonically gayest primarch with little to no effort.

>All this retarded arguing
>No ones said Lorgar
Glad to see that /tg/ isn't completely retarded.

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>>51984918
I definatly hate Russ the most but Lorgar is up there too

>>52003070
Move Russ to second worst and I agree

>>51999742
Just because he's bad at it doesn't mean it's not his best skill.

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>>52003070
>>52003280
>>52003344
>"No reason."
>Implying the Primordial Truth of the Chaos Gods isn't the truth path for humanity

Someone's going to the Basilica of Torments.

>>52003174
Fulgrims put the most primachs out of action.

>>51999742
And for killing a primarch that % isn't bad

>>51983514
What the fuck is up with that fucking bolter? Why couldnt they have it as underslung one like marneus has. This idiot cant even close his fist for fear of shooting it.

And what the fuck is that prostate stimulator uder the barrel?

>>51983514
Dorn is the worst Primarch.

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>>52008445
it's mounted in the same spot as the bolters on the gauntlets of ultramar, actually

I'd be more concerted about the fact that he'll be smashing the gun barrel into people's faces and bodies, but that's a problem marneus calgar's gunfists share.

>>52008445
>Why couldnt they have it as underslung one like marneus has.

It is.

>>51983514
no it was dave he's a real dick

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>>52008445
Eldar got it right.
Silly Mon-Keigh.

>>51985615
>just a bunch of Bloodthirsters taped together.
I need that model.

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>>52010880
>Space Marines got it right*

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>>51999548
>H-H-He was h-ho-holding b-back!
Gets back broken by a real fighting Primarch.
>H-He could've o-one sh-shotted Russ!
Gets one eye stabbed by a random Space Wolf.
>F-Fuck you furfags, feathers fo-for l-life!
Got fucked by a khorne axe wielding Space Wolf.

Stay mad, Cucknus, now with our saviour Guilliman back your five minutes of fame's up. Gonna soften you up good before Leman comes back to fuck you up again.

>>52010947
>Guilliman
Isn't he 10/10 want to die after seeing the state of the Imperium?

>>51986903
Abby doesn't ascend because he made a promise. Once the Imperium is in ashes and the False Emperor is dead, he'll ascend.

Not sure why Archaon doesn't. I assume something similar.

>>52011029
One of his rules is literally "Lord Commander of the Imperium". It's just a phase. He'll probably write some edgy poetry, give Magnus a wedgie, then feel all better.

>>52012080
Think he might actually start another civil war? He got damn close at the end of the Heresy.

>>52012436
Nah. He was always more tolerant of religion than dad, and that was before he got magicked back to life by a literal god and crowned by an auto-reviving saint of the Emperor.

>>52012513
What I mean is that the established institutions of power are going to be pissed that someone is going to be the new Regent of the Imperium. I see no out come in which the High Lords of Terra, and other powerful players, don't try to kill Guilliman or brand him a heretic.

>>52012601
They're fanatics too for the most part. It'd be like if Saint Peter got up one day and walked into the Vatican.

>>52012663
I'm pretty sure that at least a third of the Christian World would reject St Peter if that happened.

Translate that into 40k term, another holy war.

>>52012701
Guilliman's brood make up ~50% of all Astartes, and I'm sure most of the remainder would follow a Primarch over the High Lords. I doubt it will happen.

>>52012772
Death of a million cuts.

There's always the AdMech to worry about to. If they stop helping Guilliman and his followers, things might go bad.

Given the nature of 40k, the Imperium, and specifically the Imperium's leadership I just don't see a peaceful transition of power happening.

>>52012819
He's literally being crowned Lord Commander at the foot of the Golden Throne. He could easily just put it down as reclaiming the rank he held before his throat got cut.

>>52010947
>Gets back broken by a real fighting Primarch.
Magnus getting blinded in juuuust the right moment was totally a coincidence...
>Gets one eye stabbed by a random Space Wolf.
Mary Sue gonna Mary Sue.
>Got fucked by a khorne axe wielding Space Wolf.
So the yiffs use chaos artefacts now? So we can expect them to get purged soon? (Before they go extinct.)
Again smells like Tzeentch fucking with Magnus again, a weapon to fuck him up juuuuust in the right place.

>>52003070
Why Lorgar so low? He was just a philosopher dude that could not accept his place in existence (being a soldier when he wanted to be a priest).
Why Girlyman so middle? He's one of the few to think beyond fighting

>>52003070
Fulgrim should be at the very bottom.

>>51986753
He fought very briefly and got almost immediately banished.

Meanwhile Mortarion had corrupted another planet causing the DA and later Logan to exterminatus it. Magnus used this pottery of Prospero to bring the Planet of Sorcerers into real space

>>52016076
He would like that too much
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>>52010798
>>52010843
Welp it being sideways apparently fooled my eyes.