How do we make vampires cool again?

Not with lolis certainly.

More lolis.

>>51983056
A few lolis, a few adults.

>>51983056
The problem with vampires is that they're all over the place and they're internally inconsistent

They're fast (unless they're not) and strong (unless they're not) and smart (unless they're not) and stealthy (unless they're not).
They can turn into a bat (unless they can't) or a wolf (unless they can't) or a cloud of mist (unless they can't)
They have magic (unless they don't) and they're awesome swordsman (unless they're not) can control the weather (unless they can't) and they're necromancers (unless they're not) and they're undead (unless they're not)

They don't like the sun because if kills them (unless it doesn't) and they don't like holy stuff because it kills them (unless it doesn't) and they don't like garlic because it kills them (unless it doesn't).
They can't cross running water (unless they can) and they can enter houses uninvited (unless they can) and they can't enter church (unless they can) and they don't have reflections (unless they do).

They're like predators (unless they're not) and they're like nobles (unless they're not) and they're like the Mafia (unless they're not) and they're like slavs (unless they're not) and they're like goths (unless they're not) and they're ancient (unless they're not) and they're the next step in human evolution (unless they're not) and they're all named Vlad (unless they're not).


To make vampires cool again, you have to acknowledge all this stuff and try to rationalize it in a logical and consistent way.
The only thing I've seen to do this is Vampire the Masquerade; in VtM, the first vampire was Caine, and he got his powers by being the first murderer. The act of murder usurped the power of God, since only he had the power to kill indiscriminately. Since then, Vampire powers (and the potential for new powers) have been as varied as he powers of God himself.

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>>51983524
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>>51983618
Okay, guess we're done here guys, thanks.

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>>51983056
Making them smug lolis is a good place to start.

>>51983618
Mainly lolis, some adults so that the perverts who are into that kind of thing aren't discouraged.

Vampires are the creepiest things ever

>>51984074
Yeah, no. See, I don't like the idea of having sex with anything that might think of me as food. There's too many real world instances of that ending very badly for the non-bitey half of that relationship.

>>51983056
There's literally nothing wrong with them. I think a better question is, how do we get tg to start enjoying life again

>>51983056
Make them monsters again. Not some anti-hero weeaboo love interest redeemed hero. No. Just make them.blood thirsty monsters who have no regards for human life.

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>>51984123
You can't. The people who hate fun won the war, and now you're stuck with baitspam, repetitive nonsense, and pointless arguments forever.

>>51984123

nothing can be done here im afraid

and you know it, deep down in your rotten heart

nothing can be done

>>51984162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLWAkZCUzM

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>>51983056
> How do we make vampires cool again?
Make them bestial bloodsuckers.

>>51984123
Instead of a fat basement dwelling neckbeard, how about we make /tg/ into a voluptous, outgoing 18-year-old girl who secretly loves playing traditional games?

>>51984217
>how about we make /tg/ into a voluptous, outgoing 18-year-old girl who secretly loves playing traditional games?
She still will be a whiny bitch like most of /tg/ is.

>>51984217

impossibru

>>51984214

this is how i nosferatu

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>>51984214
That's not cool, just spooky.

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>>51983056
>>51983524
>>51983610
>>51984074

>>51984258
>wings growing out of the head
I'll never get this.
Does this mean her head is all brain and no muscle?

>>51984293
> all brain and no muscle
FUCK
I MEANT ALL MUSCLE, NO BRAIN

Something like what is described here https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_(3.5e_Template).

I would suggest taking an unironically look at Witcher 3: Blood and Wine. I think they did the whole vampire aspect very well, from the bestial quasi monsters blood leeches to the high lord of all vampires. It is a pretty interesting idea and close to the original mythos.

>>51983056
Take the Piercing Cold feat to bypass their energy resistance

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>>51984293
>>51984310

>>51983056
hellsing

>>51983056
Simple. Disregard shit like Twilight or True Blood were ever a thing.

Vampires are monsters, and though they have a certain charm, that's always secondary to their bloodthirst.

also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pshSDDqKVSA

>>51985011
THE TOOLS OF THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTIONS ARE STRONGER THAN THE CAPITALISTIC SWINE

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>>51984293
It is a cartoon aesthetic choice bro, there is no explanation here.

Also why is this your only gripe here? A high tier vampire's body isn't necessarily made of flesh and blood, it could be necrotic shadowy energy that is warped to a certain shape? Even classic vampires can morph into bats, sometimes a single tiny bat, sometimes a whole cloud of bats, sometimes into pure fog. If they can do that putting wings on the head isn't a problem.

>>51984444
REMOVE VAMPY!

>>51984232
>this is how i nosferatu
>standing outside the sun
really? REALLY?

>>51983649
Thought about having a setting where Vampires are oldschool, and only created via pacts with a demon.

Their drawbacks and powers vary from vampire to vampire, as part of the bargaining done for their soul. Souls that the demon thinks was headed it's way anyways have very little leverage and end up being shitty vampires. Pious righteous people get much more offered from the demon, usually in some sort of Faustian bargain to try and save their people/country/loved ones.

>>51984178
source?

>>51985197
>Also why is this your only gripe here?
Because it's an aesthetic that never appeared on classic vampires.

Vampires being smoking hot bombshell babes? Sure, why not, just look at Elvira or something. It's not too far of a step to turn them into loli, because Japan turns absolutely everything sexual into prepubescent girls.

Other than that, the general aesthetic is there - the gothic fashion (even if it's gothic lolita), the pale skin color and all that. The basics are solid, even if the execution is meh.

But head-wings were never a part of vampire portrayal before Darkstalkers, at least, as far as I know, and they serve absolutely no purpose.
What the vampire gonna do, flap its head-wings and fly away? I just want to say something how stupid it is, but I think I've just gone fully numb.

Also, if anything, leather wings resembling bat wings were always the succubi territory. Why put them on a vampire?

>>51984293
Always assumed it was a hold over from eastern "vampire" myths that had them as disembodied heads. The wings are how they fly when they abandon their body to do spooky things.

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>>51985266
>But head-wings were never a part of vampire portrayal before Darkstalkers, at least, as far as I know, and they serve absolutely no purpose.
>What the vampire gonna do, flap its head-wings and fly away? I just want to say something how stupid it is, but I think I've just gone fully numb.
They don't serve any purpose, they are just a fashionable accessory. Plus Vampires do not need to flap wing to fly they can just float.

>Also, if anything, leather wings resembling bat wings were always the succubi territory. Why put them on a vampire?
This is a valid question, the thing is that Japan's pop culture considers vampires differently. They are mostly just another type of demon, instead of an undead. Sure there are anime/manga where they use the classic version Hellsing most notably. But a lot of the other source newer source material just puts vampires and demons into one basket. They give them elf ears, they are not harmed by sunlight, they are not eternally craving blood, not cold and dead to the touch, do not live forever just live for very long, automatically have superpowers etc.

Why? Because culture warps everything as it pleases, usually to as simplification to fit a certain story/character.

>>51985257
looks like a certain magical index

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>>51985411
Why is it that Vampy has headwings and Urias don't? Cause he is a beefcake of a vampire and headwings would make him look stupid

>>51984199
"Call me!"

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>>51983649
>someone needs to standardize vampires

Someone did. In fact, everyone did, and each writer did it differently. That's the whole problem.

Mix em up while also keeping within the boundaries of weaknesses. Also, don't be afraid to have multiple origins.

Drow Nobles of Houses that follow Lloth often become embraced to be vampires of a particularly spidery bent. As in, they transform into a spider instead of a bat, they command spiders instead of other beasts, and they dissolve into spiders instead of mist. These are vampires created by Lloth, and failures during the embrace mutate into Driders instead.

When my players went to encounter Drow, they were not expecting vampires, and especially ones that are just spiders all the way down.

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>>51984014
S-step back you fiend!

I have a setting Im working on with regions of tundra and pine forests mostly (and inhabited by not!nordic barbarians and nomads) with a local god/demigod of solar eclipse, lies and annihilation selecting his grand priest through manipulation and violence. Once chosen, the grand priest is turned into a vampire but hes different than 'classic' vamps in few aspects:
>Those vampires are not vulnerable to sunlight (however they may be vulnerable to other stuff)
>Dont need to drink blood but rather feast on last breathes of living creatures (meaning you cant 'farm' your humans by not draining them completly)
>No domination powers (theyre nightmarish enough and exlude fear and anger)
>Cant reproduce quickly (they must slowly transfuse blood through surgical means with their victim in order to turn him to one, isnt controlled by his creator and the creator is temporarily weakened in the process)
>Slightly beastier and shorter temper than regular vamps
>The grand priests control the tundras through puppets or directly and behave like Ravenloft darklords
Just noting this is not a finished idea and definitely needs some more flesh and polishing but hope you like it.

>>51985768
>You will never be a young priest that was choosen to be turned into a loli vampire

Suffering.

>>51985166
Every time.

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>>51983056
Actually make them monsters.

Like the 'Reaper' strain of Vampire from Blade II.

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>>51985918
>tfw

>>51983056
by making them have at least a few set rules and rolling back the angsty/weeaboo shit.
The more weeb shit we add the more vampires stop being vampires and start becoming magic girls with the magic of "dark love and friendship that is somewhat creepy" instead of "love and friendship".
The more angst we add the more we got goth/emo kids instead of vampires.
The less set rules about them we have the more vampires stop being a thing, because we wont know what people mean by vampire.
Look at why zombies worked for so long, while they had slightly different incarnations, they were more or less the same thing in 99% of the time. When you said zombie people knew what you were talking about, fast or slow, virus or curse, muted or not was just background to flesh out this incarnation of zombies, but still when someone said zombie we all had a similar idea in our heads.
Also stop romanticizing them so fucking much, vampires are not fucking Werter, in thier core they are parasitic creatures with wielding inhuman powers, no your wifu/hasbando

>>51985011
>>51985166
>[Combichrist - Tractor.mp3 intensifies]

Have them all follow Mannfred von Carstein as their spiritual liege.

You improve them by killing everyone who fetishizes vampires.

>>51983056
Place them in the freezer for a few minutes.

They can be dark and edgy and all they want
But life as a vampire should be painted as pure, unadultered shit by every DM

>oh, you want to feed onto this street prostitute with no lab testing whatsoever? Here comes a bag of HIV!
>yeah nobody will miss that hobo... but I guess you contracted Sepsis!
>feeding with cats, rodents and other animals? I wholeheartedly agree, my friend! Whoopsies, you failed the save roll, enjoy Bacteremia

>>51986342
I thought Vampires were immune to most, if not all, human diseases.

>>51983056
Refrigerators.

>>51983056
give em trenchcoats, katanas and sunglasses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNOP2t9FObw

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Top vampires to draw inspiration from;

Dracula (Bram Stoker's Dracula), Carmilla, The Vampyre, Kain (Legacy of Kain), Dracula (Dracula Untold) weeb shit beyond this point Dracula (Castlevania), Alucard (Castlevania), D (Vampire Hunter D), Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure), Demitri (Darkstalkers, esp. the OVA)

Shit Tier Inspiration
Alucard (Hellsing), DIO (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure), Every Single Vampire Character (Twilight)

Honorable Mentions: Lestat. Anne Rice's earlier work wasn't too bad but I would suggest that it hasn't aged well.


Feel free to add any suggestions or corrections but I feel strongly about this list.

make them either actual bloodmad monsters or people who have to try really hard not to be, as opposed to this whole "as long as i feed on a hooker semi frequently im a ok"

>>51986366
being a vampire is a fucking curse, no fun allowed

>>51986399
you're wrong.

TOP VAMPIRES TO TAKE INSPO FROM:

characters from Blade and Blade II

SHIT VAMPIRES TO TAKE INSPO FROM:
all the rest, ESPECIALLY Dracula, who is a complete bore.

>>51986404
I thought the whole "bursting into flame in the sunlight" or "constantly craving fresh human blood" or "becoming an inhuman monster that only has the cruelest shell of humanity left" was the curse.

>>51984230

Hot/crazy principle applies here.

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>>51986399

What about Vampire: The Masquerade?

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>>51986399
>dissing based fuckmothering alucard
the pure embodiment of purile edge deserves to be acknowledged

>>51986425

Shit I forgot Blade i'm so sorry goddamnit shit I didn't it again!!!

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>>51986425
Jared Nomak a best.

>>51986431

It has some cool characters, like Beckett, but I felt like it was too non-specific being a table top setting rather than an encapsulated story.

I should probably have also added Morrigan Aensland but she's technically a succubus?? Darkstalker vampires and demons are weird.

>>51986435
yeah Alucard's fun.

Fun things are fun.

I mean come the fuck on, if your character doesn't cock his gun with his fangs you're playing VtM wrong.

>>51986435

I think Seras is a better vampire character because her story arc goes into what the change is like and so on.

Alucard is more a living plot power or force of nature with an agenda. He's like what happens when you reach the end of your story and you're ready to just die or chill out, but the GM insists you stick around and everything he throws at you is a joke so of course you're going to get bored.

>>51986435
>puerile
juvenile

puerile is small children.

juvenile is teenagers.

>>51986121

This is a natural progression. Vampires were quirky historical and literary oddities for centuries. Then for a long time, they were sex symbols. Now their appeal is getting lower and lower class, until it was trailer trash and tweens and landwhales.

Every subculture goes through this, why not a mythological movement too?

The best vampire of the past 10 years wasn't a vampire at all. It was Donald Draper.

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>>51986425
>SHIT VAMPIRES TO TAKE INSPO FROM:
>all the rest,
Are you not forgetting someone?

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>>51983056
Remilia is best. REMILIA!

>>51986366
It doesn't come up very often, but a couple of sources imply that, even though they're immune to disease themselves, they can be carriers. I think Vampire: the Masquerade suggests it as a thing DMs can run with, and I'm sure when Father Callahan is explaining how vampires work to Roland's group in whichever of Stephen King's Dark Tower books he first shows up in (Wolves of the Calla, I think) he mentions that at least one of the types of vampires he's documented can spread HIV.

>>51986399
>Carmilla
>Legacy of Kain
>Vampire Hunter D

Top taste, anon.

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>>51986579
Requiem's a bitch. Turim and Otto are the cool ones.

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>>51983056
I thought vampires were already ice cold.

>>51986598
>>51986399

Why do people like Carmilla?

>>51986452
This and Vlad carstein

>>51986666
Sure, Satan

>>51986579
Oh shit, Requiem. That's some of most bizarre and metal shit I ever read. I know it all takes place in hell, but it's one of my favourite examples of what a vampire society would look like.

>>51983056
Make them creepy again. Vampires were menacing when they were a quiet stalker that existed simply to eat. Vampires (and frankly, all good scary monsters including ghosts) stay scary when they have mystery. So maybe don't try to develop any pseudo science or explanation bullshit for them if you want them to stay scary.

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>>51983056
I like both types of vampires in Tsukihime.

>>51986870
The sluts and the worst girls?

>>51986399
mannfred von carstein and generally warhammer vampires are good stuff too

>>51986399
>Vampire Hunter D

I'm not too familiar with him, but I really liked Bloodlust. The bit with the old guy in that town full of people who hate him turning out to have been someone he saved as a kid and at the end where he goes to that female vampire hunter's funeral decades after the main events of the story were really cool; I like vampire stories that take place over decades or hundreds of years. Might as well get some narrative mileage out of that whole immortality thing.

>>51986957
It helps when your dad is Bigger D.

>>51986680
Vlad and his society of vampire aristos actually making Sylvania a (comparatively) decent and safe place to live compared to the rest of the Warhammer world was always one of my favourite things about the vampire count background.

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>>51985987
In a case of role reversal, the secretary turned out to the be the vampire who bit her boss.

>>51986669
Because it aside from the lesbianism and strangely gothic romance....the vampire is a fucking horror. It's a literal living disease that is at once wiping out an entire countryside while shacking up and giving the heebee-jeebies to a delicate flower of a girl.

>>51986426
>"bursting into flame in the sunlight" or "constantly craving fresh human blood" or "becoming an inhuman monster that only has the cruelest shell of humanity left"

You mean "Now you HAVE to stay up late SO STFU MOM", "See the worthless sheeple as the livestalk they are are treating them as such", and "Being an enlightened being, euphoric in your own intelligence for throwing away the USELESS STUPID-DUMB TRASH that is morality".

You gotta keep the target audiance's mindset in mind here.

"He Never Died" is probably unknown here, but it's goddamn impressive.

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>>51987129

>>51987184

See, I never could tolerate romance of any sorts with vampires, let alone gay or lesbian. There's just something disgusting about it.

>>51986425
>ESPECIALLY Dracula, who is a complete bore.
Do elaborate why

>>51987416
I'm guessing because Anon is a capeshit fag with ADHD.

>>51987247
Welcome to the entire fucking reason why vampires became sexual creatures.

It's meant to be scary.

The point of Carmilla was "lesbians are evil parasites that will murder your children" not fapfuel.

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>>51986587
Remilia a CUTE!

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So to recap;


GOOD Vampire Fiction:

Dracula (Bram Stoker's Dracula), Carmilla, The Vampyre, Kain (Legacy of Kain), Dracula (Dracula Untold), Blade (Blade), Dracula (Castlevania), Alucard (Castlevania), D (Vampire Hunter D), Dio Brando (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure), Demitri (Darkstalkers, esp. the OVA), Beckett et al (Vampire the Masquerade), Requiem et al (Requiem, Vampire Chevalier)

BAD Vampire Fiction

Alucard (Hellsing), DIO (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure), Every Single Character (Anne Rice Books), Every Single Character (Twilight)

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>Thread asking how to make vampires cool
>No one mentions Blood Dragons

Welp there's your answer.

>>51983056
By not using them or bringing them up for few years until the hype finally dies.

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Make them rockstars who only come out at night, again.

>>51986399
>Lestat
It really pissed me off the Anne Rice didn't have the balls to keep him consistent with his "Interview with the Vampire" personality in the later books. He was cool in the first book because he was just so gleefully and unapologetically evil; making him yet another generic brooding anti-hero took all the fun out of his character.

>>51987129
Wew lad.

Make Vampires evil, for one. None of this stupid "he's a good Vampire" shit. It makes the entire idea devalued if there are no downsides other than the sun. Make it so whatever pact you take or way you become a Vampire corrupts your mind, making you feral without a consistent source of new blood. Make Vampire bite survivors into lower Vampires, with a system that has it so that lower Vampires can drink Higher Vampire blood to gain their powers.

Make their weaknesses bigger and their strengths more concise. Sun kills within 5 seconds instead of after two minutes, make religious houses an unbreakable barrier a Vampire cannot go into, make it clear that Vampires are OCD as fuck and that throwing a bag of rice will make them stop and count every fucking grain. But don't make them pussies. Vampires are stronger than a human of physical perfection when well fed on blood, as well as having regenerative abilities and relatively high running speeds. And while Vampires have to stop to count every last grain of sand, or readjust every crooked painting, it's zombie thralls can continue. And of course, when being well fed, they are suave and manipulative.

That should be a good vampire.

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So I guess between the people who want to wallow in eternally young, melodramatic goths, the grognards who want everything to be maximum miserable and grimdark all the time, and the people who want power-tripping vidya/animu superheroics, and the countless variations of all these, the problem with vampires is that no one can fucking agree on anything.

Have you considered just enjoying things you like and not worrying about what other people like?

Depends on the setting and whatrole the vampire should play.
As some Anon already pointed out there are thousands of variations of vampires. So if you want vampire just take an exemplar that fits into the setting and situation.

>>51983056

> tfw vampires getting lamer and lamers is what you want because you are a Transilvanin and would like some real mythos to be shown to the world from my little shitty corner

>>51986399
Hellsing Alucard is Bram Stoker's Dracula though. That is literally his backstory, with a couple of relatively minor modifications.

Hellsing is good. It's not particularly deep, but it's got fun characters and storylines.

>>51983056

Vampires were meant to be the embodiment of sin as a living curse. Greed and sometimes lust. Being so greedy with life they would live for ever but never enjoying it and having to take lives to keep living while in the process making more cursed men.

The thing is people kinda don't want the embodiment of sin type creature anymore because people want "redeemable" and "human" evil cause shit taste.

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>Oh cool a vampire thread.
>It's pedoshit.

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>>51985197

>>51990190
>Hellsing Alucard is Bram Stoker's Dracula though.
Are you really that dense? That may be his "backstory," but there are absolutely no parallels between Alucard and Stoker's Dracula in either character or abilities. I can say Saber is the Arthurian King Arther - it's her literal backstory! That doesn't make that statement any less absurd and contemptible.

>>51990211
It's a curse mate.

Just like how every time we try to have a lycan thread we get stormed by furries or /pol/

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>>51990211
Here, have some age-appropriate vampire girls doing vampire stuff.

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>>51984178
What is the context of this image?

>>51991416
Technocratic conspiracy makes 20,001 inferior clones of an electrokinetic so a psychokinetic can slaughter them all to level-grind until he's the most powerful psychic in the world, in order to challenge literal angels.

Except in reality that's plan B. Plan A is to pretend plan B is plan A, get it discovered, and distribute however many of those clones are still left across the globe, to create a world-wide electrokinetic telepathic wifi network because reasons.

Oh, and the psychokinetic STILL gets strong enough to challenge literal angels, just through other means.

Welcome to the Raildex universe, enjoy your stay.

Vampires, as a contemporary myth, are basically about one thing:

Sexual taboos, sexual morality and breaking them.

You're probably already seeing the problem.

Oh, I am not saying we don't have sexual taboos anymore. That'd be absurd; any society has them, you don't talk with your aunt about anal fisting (well, usually, I guess). But as a society, we're basically in post-sexual morality age: we don't think desires that can be fulfilled by consenting people can be "bad" per se. They might be low as fuck, sad, stupid, toxic but not wrong per se.

That's why vampires in the stokerian sense are dead (AH!). I don't think there is any room left to "save" them. And yes, Twilight is the nail in the coffin: not because it's fetishism unleashed, that's normal as fuck (jesus, go reread Dracula, Lucy's story is fucked up). But because there the vampire is the GOOD sex, not the bad one.

The only real execption is unironically pedophilia, but I mean, I don't think you can really add much to Let the Right One In.

>I wouldn't be surprised if vampires come up representing toxic relationships, but...

>>51984014
Source? Google keeps directing me to worksafe Vic

>>51992068
Artist is 774. Go have a blast.

>>51992080
Cheers mate

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>Some mentions of Bram

Hey anyone here actually read the Dracula books? I know it's iconicly toted as the guide to kill vampires but to those of us that have actually read the book it's a guide to how fucked you are.

Goes over all the traditional way to kill evil creatures. Because these method beleived in the that day worked on any tradially evil creature from the unliving to Demons.
>Sunlight
>Holy Wards / Chruches
>Garlic
>Uninvited into houses
>Can't cross running water
>Side note: Reflection
>Stake through the heart.

And in order Dracula does thus so:
>Burns and is painful, but clearly not deadly, non-explained super healing fixes it the instance his out of direct sunlight.
>Ignores them
>Intentionally eats it at a dinner, because it's one of his favorites.
>Without hinderance.
>Ignores Water
>Can have reflection when he wants, even though the book states he can't earlier.
>As explained in the book, stabbing anything through the heart kills it. From human to Undead, to Evil creatures. As such Dracula is killed with a standard Bowie knife through the back, through the heart.

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>>51983056
Go back to basics. Horrific Nosferatu stalking the night in search of blood.

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Make vampires cool again? Of course it's possible!...Let me count the ways...ah ah ahh...

>>51983668
>God this makes me laugh so hard.

>>51991504
All you really need to know is Touma punches women

And Saten has sex with old men for money

>>51983056

Vampires in my setting are basically intelligent, regenerating living corpses that feed on blood to stave off their eternal hunger.

>>51993216
Uiharu is the strongest.

Just make them the way they were intended; bloodthirsty, but having lived long enough to have the knowledge that going on rampages, while fun and sometimes easy, present a mess of problems in the future. Being subtle, careful, but still open and powerful in their own respects. They shouldn't be a total mystery, because that gives away that something is up; but a baron that keeps his distance from the common fare, or someone that has reason to only be out and about at night or be by himself at times is the way to do it.


It just takes thought. I know that it's drawing information from the source, but Strahd from the book modeled after the module, named "I, Strahd," let you into the mind and the understanding that planning is a big part of power. You don't survive forever in a world where everyone's out to kill you and there are big no nos that can do it like a simple stake at an in opportune time or being captured and put to sunlight or running water.

In my Strahd campaign the character's have already met him three times, being simply open and straight forward and leading fear. He gets what he wants, he knows it, and understands that while being too cocky is dangerous, he's smart and strong enough to have his fun when he's bored between projects.

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>>51986435
>>51986495
Alucard himself is only fun if you want to see a Power Fantasy character that can absolutely never ever loose and he even actively revels in a that fact.

Most other anime protagonists are generally hated viciously when they are like that because there is no tension around if they literally can never be in danger.

Granted Alucards isn't really the protagonist of Hellsign, it is more like Interga or Seras.

>>51993636

Its like if a Disney villain was more edgy and undefeatable. They revel in their evil bullshit and its kind of charming.

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By being a billionaire in the future who tests a special man made disease that gives you psychic powers and makes you into a vampire on a young girl before using it on yourself.

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>>51993741
But Alucard isn't a villain either, he is a "plot device carrot" meaning he is the one that solves the plot problems by easily doing what everyone deems completely impossible and laughing about it. That is mostly the appeal of Hellsing everyone wants to see Alucard do ridicules shit, the plot builds huge and seemingly unbreakable walls for him to overcome and yet he always overcomes them all usually with no effort and he even revels in this fact.

Sometimes he feigns weakness only to taunt the enemy give the viewer the false feeling of tension, because when we watch a character that is so over the top and so arrogant about his power we instinctively wait for that moment when he finally hits the wall and fails, to see how he will deal with that situation but in the end it never happens. This a kind of "bait tactic" that some stories use with these types of characters.

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>>51993829
that's bullshit but it sounds like awesome, source?

>>51983056
Remilia is already cool though.

>>51983056
Vampires come from a more religious time, remember. When they were first introduced, they were actually scary because they were soulless people, void of morality, emotion, and human relationships.

Now, they've been romanticized, often depicted as sexy, and modern culture has swayed more toward the classical vision of a vampire, so we see ourselves in them, or at least something familiar to us.

>>51986399
blood the last vampire and blood+ are good anime portrayals.

true blood has some good ideas going burried under all the romance novel crap.

>>51995516
>true blood has some good ideas
I honestly can't think of any
Then again I've probably forgotten most of that show

>>51994731


Cyber City Oedo 808. It's all the 80's cyberpunk theme wrapped up in animu fashion with stupid one liners to boot. All the episodes are one youtube.

>>51993636
>>51994711
I have never gotten around to watching hellsing despite being here for years

should I watch the OVA or TV series?

>>51995590

Don't. It's shit.

>>51995590
Both, for different reasons.

>>51995580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Q6AwrGUkQ

>>51995590
Read the manga or watch the OVA.

>>51995656
which first then?

>>51995689
TV Series for comparison.

>>51995590
>>51995689
Definitely read the Manga first to get you all the story, it is not that long really. Then watch the OVA Hellsign:Ultimate which is the same story. The old series starts out the same as the manga but it goes to a completely different and IMHO it suffers for it.

But don't just read/watch it for Alucard, if you ONLY want to see Alucard owning everyone you will be bored. It a story more about Integra and Seras Victoria and others too.

>>51995859
TV has cool music tho
>>51995689
The Dawn

>>51985257
>>51985434

Its the spin off manga, a certain scientific railgun (to aru kagaku no choudenjibou)

>>51989130
Need the Witcher vampires in the good section.

>>51992266
That's not the fucking basics, that's Murnau doing a bootleg of Dracula almost half a century later.

The basics is a Byronic (literally) anti-villain who abusive drains his lovers into emotional (and physical) husks.

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>>51984162
>>51985978
>>51986402
Agreed. Monster vampires are best vampires

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>>51983056
Simple.

Take Bram Stoker's Dracula as a basis (and yes, I know this book is offensive towards the actual Vlad Tempes Dragul who was pretty brutal, yet based on so many levels).

Dracula is the beginning of the vampires in modern fiction. Unlike stereotypical vampires these days that seem weak as fuck and can die to so much of a flash of sunlight through a tiny hole in the wall, Dracula is not some monster, he's a literal supernatural horror that is actually scary when compared to most modern vampires. No wonder, since what today's vampires lack is the gothic horror atmosphere that accompanied Dracula and the level of danger he was capable of achieving.

Bram Stoker's villain is, as mentioned before, a supernatural horror and even a embodiment of sin (seriously, his she-vampires are seductive yet monstrous at the same time). Apart of certain vampire abilities that are pretty stereotypical ones by today's standards he has an arsenal modern vampires seem to forget. He can turn into mist, control animals (even turn into other non-bat animals), and sunlight simply weakens him but not turns him to ash.

If you want vampires to be truly cool, then make them an actual threat. Make them into supernatural horrors with the same abilities as Dracula, but add something from yourself and rationalize it why, how and etc. Can add some complexity to them, even make them kind of tragic, yet one must remember that they are a supernatural horror. Also they are masterminds with tons of experience.

The reason why people like Dracula, as well as the likes of the WHFB Vampire Counts, LoK\s Kain and the V:TM ones for example is that that they aren't some sparkly faggots like Edward from Twilight, but actual threats and interesting villains worth fighting against (alternatively interesting characters that lived a lot, saw a lot through the years and makes you want to know what the bloodsucker saw through those ancient eyes of his).

That's all.

>>52000640
What he said, plus check out Extra Credits' video on "what makes a monster scary."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mHCG4zbCPM

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>>52000757
>extra credits
Did we actually ever run out of internet?

>>52000757
>Extra Credits

Used to watch them. Had some nifty ideas, but stopped when they said that Kanji from Persona 4 is gay.

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> how do we make X [buzzword] again
This bullshit is never going to end, is it?

>>52000838
NEVER

>>52000838
How do we make America great again?

>>52000640

>Dracula is the beginning of the vampires in modern fiction.

Not at all. At least Ruthven, if you need a definitive divide.

And can we really forget Carmilla? The ACTUAL first moe lesbian vampire?

>it's kinda scary considering that it was Lord Byron fictional alter ego. Scary in the sense of "shit, vampires ARE 2cool4u bishonen, in the end"

>>52000935
ARGH! How could I forget about Byron? Geez.

>>52000957
>Byron
It was by his Doctor, Polidori, but Lord Ruthven was likely based on Byron and supposedly written at the same time and location as Frankenstein.

>>51983056

Do whatever you think made them cool in the first place, ignore whatever uncool things people have done with them, and stop acting like poor execution ruins the concept itself.

>>51983056
Use Native American vampires as your inspiration. Those fuckers are hardcore
Don't mix it with Skinwalker mythology because that's overplayed

>>52000884
See >>52000877

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>>51988970
Is Remi is /ourgirl/?

>>52002564

lol no

>>52002564

Damsel from VtMB is ''''our girl''''

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>>52002625
Fake news out

>>51985219
>standing outside the sun
>outside the sun

Yep, I'd say that's a pretty standard nosferatu behavior.

>>51985266
>leather wings resembling bat wings were always the succubi territory. Why put them on a vampire?

I hate the head wing thing too, but it does make a small amount of sense when you remember that vampires stereotypically shapeshift into bats.

So having bat themes is not too far off the mark. But I agree that how they did it is fucking retarded.

>>51986399
I fucking love the character Lestat. But yeah, Anne Rice's writing went to shit when she tried to cram religion down the readers throat.

>>52002953
You do know she stopped that shit, and her writing came back up to where it always was, at least according to my mother, lol.

>>52003062
Meh, if I want to read about vampires that are as equally scary as they are sexy then I will read some Laurell K. Hamilton or Christine Feehan.

At least in those novels you get cool werewolves and shit as well. Plus, you get actual sex scenes, instead of being teased then cockblocked.

>>52003230
Just passing along that Anne Rice stopped being a Born again fag, I know nothing of her writing.

>>52000757
If I hear that fucking squeaky voice one more time in my life I will crush something.

Since this conversation will never go anywhere without establishing some baseline, how does everybody like their vampire?
I personally prefer
>doesn't have to kill while feeding but can
>sunlight stops superhuman shit but doesn't kill instantly
>can't go into homes uninvited but an open window is an invitation by stupidity
>all other traditional shit, except what to do to insure they stay dead, doesn't really do anything
>creating another vampire requires a blood transfusion by a full guy, not biting
I want the evil to come from the individual and make it that much worse. If you make all vampires evil baby murderers by default you come up with a good faceless monster race that PCs can feel okay about but not intriguing villains since they don't have control over their own actions. Making good vampires who can control their vices and maintain themselves within the population makes those power and blood hungry individuals all the more heinous.

>>51995590
Watch the abridged version.

>>52003678

I like most of these except for the invitation part. Its related to folklore but I feel like the metaphor of 'don't let strangers into your house' feels a little lost when you're writing genre fiction for games, TTRPGs or roleplaying as one.

What I DO prefer is that they are superhuman in capability and strength,predominately if not entirely of noble birth or demeanor (well dressed predators are awesome), are incredibly charming and carry on the whole 'evil sorcerer' aspect of Bram Stoker's Dracula. Crazy superpowers need apply.

When they're just slightly above average parasitic cannibal humans with severe weaknesses to exploit .. well that should stick to shittier forms of undead like ghouls or pop culture zombies.

>>51984162
Make them smart enough to take advantage of and cultivate their modern repetition. The monstrous Dracula ripoff writes vampire romance™ novels to farm vampire fangirls, which it then devours alive and/or enslaves as cannon fodder.

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>>52002564
Flandre is!

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>>51983056
Don't take them too seriously, and make them castlekino.

>>51984293
twist on bunny ears

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>>51984214

> In broad daylight.

>>52001344
>supposedly
It was at least presented at the same friendly literary contest.

Also Polidori was also at some point Byron's secretary (which, by and large, was basically a sinecure title he used for his male lovers iirc)

>>51984258
It's me, Vania!
Is shadowverse /tg/ appropriate?

>>52008472
No, back to /vg/ with you!

>>51983056
cool vampires...
(vampire the masquerade) ur-Shugli the sheperr. (dracula) dracula, (anime) fuck no, (real life) my mother in law

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>>51983056
with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jle2I1mSUWI

one of my favorite Vampires

>>52002564
>>52002789
WHEN THE HELL IS THE NEXT ONE COMING OUT?!

>>51983056

Make them do more than just suck blood.

There's an episode in True Blood where a vampire is all normal and calm, but then suddenly gets a silver cross to the face and freaks the fuck out. His voice goes all distorted, he's snarling like an animal, and then he lifts the guy in the air and starts biting chunks out of his stomach. By the end of it, the guy is torn to literal pieces.

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>>51983056
More loli.
Claudia was literally my favorite Anne Rice character (or at least until she went full retard) and her slice-off life scenes with Louis and Lestat were adorable.
Flandre>Remillia btw
Even in anime the best vampire are the loli one. Pic related.

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>>52008472
>Vania
>shadowverse
EOP disgust me.

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>>52010334
They should suck cock

>>52011255

We said vampires, not OPs.

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>>52008472
Luna is always appropriate.

Vampires in Witcher games, witcher 3 specifically.
Are pretty interesting.

>>51986009
Good post

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>>51983056
I think this guy is really cool.

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plebs. Plebs everywhere.

>>51983056
Byzantium, Daybreakers, 30 days of night, Only Lovers Left Alive. There's no shortage of good modern vampires out there if you're paying attention.

>>52013255
...nigga read the fucking books. Recovering alcoholic alchemist higher vampire best vampire.

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>>51983056
saved

>>51983056
World of Darkness Nosferatu are the only vampires that exist

Done.

>>52018818

>reeee how dare there be any monsters that are seductive and sexy! everything should be as ugly as me, a balding smelly unbathed pimple faced obese neckbeard closet homosexual who is dressed by his mother! RREEEEE!!

>>51995910
>TV has cool music tho
Thanks for reminding me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXXlUDTWwx0

in my own exposure, post-folkloric eg literary vampires orbit two quality conceptual constellations, the contents of which have been discussed in the thread quite a bit.

The first is the horror vampire, the damned and inhuman personification of various kinds of dreads, the fear of aristocratic parasitism, brutalism behind the facade of a human face and frilled vest, sexual violence and hunger; in some sense, it explores certain aspects of mans inhumanity to man.

The other domain is the (often tragic) byronic hero, which is largely existential in nature; in the sense that if the horror vampire explored man's terrible relationship to each other, the existential vampire explores it's terrible relationship to itself. Fear of death, temptation, guilt or lack of, enlightenment vs instinct/nature, the fine arts as (or as not) humanity and so on.

Considering then that mountains of vampire-related ink have produced concepts of artistic quality primarily around these domains, you might be tempted to think the best thing for vampires is to remain vampires i.e. to adhere to these deeply ingrained portrayals which have a rich and probably inexhaustible subject matter with which to explore the horrible and the social and the emotional and so on.

I'm not so against such a temptation but it's also good to remember that those effective literary vampire domains arose from a recognition that the vampire concept embodied or evoked aristocratic brutalism or immortal malaise or the violence of desire effectively where such a recognition didn't previously exist. So the development of cool vampires didn't occur by sticking to traditional portrayals. So I think a cool portrayal lies in the artistic task of extending that vampiric concept just far enough to be recognizable (I.e. mathesons I am legend vampires or the infamously terrible twilight vampires) with respect to crafting enduring art about potent themes.

>>51983056
We don't make them absolute psychopaths, or all bloodthirsty monsters
They're just people who happen to drink blood

>>52014639
>Byzantium

Underrated. A legitimately cool version of vampirism, with Saiorse being awesome as well.

I need to see Only Lovers Left Alive.

Answer yourself this question.

How do you kill a vampire?

Answer: However the fuck you want, you're the goddamn DM.

An interesting blog post from the OSR community related to this thread, about the depictions of Dracula and vampires.

http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.ca/2014/08/castle-psychedelic-panic-dracula.html?zx=68ac7f306a9b9161

>>51992690
/thread

>>51986706
It fucking rocks thats for sure.

>>51989892
this or at least make them amoral af

>>52025310
Just don't make them chaotic stupid
Or stupid evil either
I'm thinking of making a vampire and a succubus duo the leaders of a huge criminal organization

>>51985411
>They don't serve any purpose, they are just a fashionable accessory.
I always assumed that head wings were so that, if the head got severed, it could fly away on its own, like a penanggalan.

>>51992690
>the majority of "bad" vampires mentioned in this thread are from western literature
Really makes you think.

>>52024311
T. Vlad Dracul the Blood-Drinker.

>>51986399
Why is DIO considered a worse vampire than Dio? Personality-wise, I think him being much more of a calm, calculating manipulator works better than him being a psycho who just makes mancats all night.

>>51986621
>forgetting my nigga Sabre

>>52016942
Regis is a great character, but I think Dettlaff is almost equally interesting in motivation.

>>51983056
>How do we make vampires cool again?
Focus on one aspect of vampires and develop that. Vampires have been everything from zombies to Superman in popular fiction, and you really can't put everything to use and end up with a meaningful result. Pick one option, like
>vampires are the physical embodiment of disease
>vampires are the result of blood casting maintaining a life and body
>vampires are superhuman creatures with specific vulnerabilities
and then work from there.

Interdimensional energy-vampires which feed on suffering, who control the elites of the world to cause wars, large-scale pedophilia-rings, slavery and the monetary system.

Make them fancy & stylish

>>52027776
And amphibian homosexuality.

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Like this.

>>51983056
Not with anime, because if there's one thing that nobody finds scary, it's anime.

>>52007049
Well, Dracula could go out in sunlight, he was just weaker.

>>52027776
Alex Jones go home.

>>51983056
http://mythcreants.com/blog/creating-a-fresh-vampire-antagonist/

>>51995580
Is this one the source of
>You wouldn't know a vanpire if it rose up and bit you on the end of your fucking dick.

?

>>51983056
Remove all sexualization that's not creepy and rapey, let them be monsters.

>>52024792
>>52014639

>Byzantium

Tedious shit.

>>52031228
>looking through this website

vomiting animu girl.png

>>52003678
>>can't go into homes uninvited but an open window is an invitation by stupidity
So they can just ignore their weaknesses if they feel sufficiently entitled? Like a violent asshole who acts self-righteous because anyone he punches was "asking for it" when they provoke him?

The idea of a universe that runs on rapist logic is more frightening than any monster could be.

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Make them batshit crazy with potentially world-destroying powers.

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Kinda related question that doesn't deserve its own thread. How come werwolves are often portrayed as the vampires enemy? Is this just a modern thing, earlier literature or based on some myths? And who started this?

>>52000640
>tfw most people I know discovered Dracula was a real person through Assassin's Creed

I didn't even know if AC's Dracula was a legit Templar because he liked their ideals or he just joined them for his country. And then he has fangs too.

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What about this guy, my dudes?

>>52009986

What game is it in the first place?

>>52014639
>Only Lovers Left Alive
I dig the movie, but those vampires were like vegan glutten-free hipster vampires. It doesn't help that they never explain much about the "contaminated" blood other than "humans fucked up everything for vamps".

I might have missed something, though.

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>>52032843

Not sure if it's the exact ground zero of this trope but 1945's House of Dracula was one of the first movies to feature it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Dracula

>>52032843

In earlier myths, vampires and werewolves were very similar, if not the same thing. I've got a feeling that the Underworld franchise had something to do with their modern enmity.