How do run a game in pic related?

>>51974603
Context for those of us which don't know this isn't just any other scifi superstructure?

>>51974603
Isn't that in north korea?

>>51975468
Present day North Korea, as it happens.

>>51975441

The Night Land.

Millions of years in the future, Earth has taken a long slide into shit. The sun's gone out, humanity now lives in the pyramid at the bottom of a deep, massive canyon where the last of the atmosphere hangs around. The stars are gone from the sky and nightmarish creatures and twisted humans live outside the pyramid's protective circle, some monolithic, others smaller and no less insidious. There's also a whole lot of strange phenomena out in the dark, like twinkling malicious lights, a terrifying sentient house, and fields of blue flames.

Humanity itself has ways to fight this, most notably the protective field around the pyramid, but they've also developed psychic potential and can use it to listen to the night. The top of the pyramid is where the monstruwoccans live, the people who study the monsters. They study them from afar and try to make sense of their behaviors, and also safeguard the knowledge and libraries of the pyramid for future generations.

>>51975535

Mostly, however, mankind is bound to the pyramid and no one really ventures out into the dark ever. Too many monsters.

Main plot is that one character has "night hearing" and hears his beloved calling to him across the darkness. Also him and his beloved happen to have been lovers in a previous life in the Victorian/Arthurian era or even before, but she died young. Now they're reborn somehow at the same time in the twilight of the universe and he's going to try and get her. Adventure ensues.

>>51975535
Probably a semi-interesting setting and stuff, but the sun isn't a lightbulb, it doesn't just wink out of existence. When it dies, it's going to take us all with it

>>51976183
>The book was written in 1912. They didn't know that.

>>51976183

Well, yeah. The Sun dimmed out like something was... eating it, maybe? It's implied that either something is obscuring the atmosphere, or that these creatures of darkness are literally eating the stars.

This is actually a huge problem since the Night Land is frigid cold everywhere, and the Last Redoubt gets its energy from the "Earth Current." Also, most creatures stick around volcanic vents, since that's where the heat is. A good couple of sections detail how a whole section of valley is lit by volcanic activity and there's actual plants growing in the soft light and hot springs.

But, ultimately, that's the point of the book, written in the theme of "dying Earth," where the Sun is gone and humanity is just kind of hanging on, but ultimately doomed in the face of it all. The Night Land is basically the story of one of the last heroes there will ever be before the entirety of history and culture and even the planet itself is consumed by the dark and again by the dying sun.

>>51976659
What good is it, then? What purpose does it serve to know or care if there is no escape or victory?

>>51976360

It's crazy to look back even such a (relatively) small time-frame and see how drastically our understanding of the universe has evolved. Hell, this was back when "aether" was an actual scientific term.

Stuff like HPL's aliens who flapped around in space on wings are a little bit less ridiculous when you take into account that the scientists of the day were still working towards figuring out that space is a vacuum.

>>51976979

Okay, 1: You say that like the real Earth isn't going to become uninhabitable long before we develop a means to successfully travel to and populate other planets. Why even get out of bed in the morning knowing the human race is doomed to extinction in the long-term and that it's not terrifically unlikely that it'll go extinct in a manner entirely of its own doing before that?

And 2: It's a story, what the hell kind of question is that.

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"Where did JRPGs get the idea for pizza cutter swords?"
GLAD YOU ASKED.

>>51977044
Every single scientific problem right up to the reversal of entropy can, by definition, have a solution. We know this already, even if we don't have an answer yer. You seriously fucking think the Sun dying will stop us? This isn't even HFY shitposting; NOTHING CAN STOP US. We can figure out ANY forthcoming problem. Maybe even entropy itself.

This scenario is just defeatist bullshit.

>>51977081
No, defeatist bullshit is "abloobloobloo what's the point of doing anything when magic future technobabble special snowflake science won't work ;_;"

>>51977081

It was kinda this science that attracted the things from the darkness anyway. Some kind of fucking with things that should not be fucked with and even at the time they knew what they were doing.

Also they've been visited by several alien civilizations, but they tended to drift off after a while, or get fought off. It's unclear whether or not mankind has gotten off planet, but given that the stars themselves are being eaten, it's likely any descendents of those are on the run from the evil that's eating the stars, or already consumed. We have no answer for that since most of this setting occurs on Earth specifically during differing time periods of its fall.

In the grandest of timelines, humanity makes it to around 27 million AD, and that's even a few million after the Last Redoubt falls. Not a short stretch of time by any definition, although geologically still a drop in the bucket of time. Resistance might be ultimately futile, but it's the journey that typically matters (if we're taking a page from All Tomorrows), and the human spirit got us further along than mankind has already existed, so there is that.

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>>51974603
Okay guys, I have an

Guys.

I have an idea.

Okay just hear me out.

What if,

Guys seriously

What if the Redoubt...

was a BALL?

>>51977297
He was one of Lovecraft's inspirations.

Although it's worth noting that in the end humanity may have been saved by outside interference.

It's a pity the author died in WW1.

>>51977081
>Every single scientific problem right up to the reversal of entropy can, by definition, have a solution.
Really? I'm interested to here the reasoning for this, legitimately and unironically.

>>51977555

Where at? I'm only read up on The Night Land, not any of his other works.

Although there was mention of the Forces of Good which stepped into play like chess pieces at extreme and pivotal moments, not least the ones that are blocking the Watchers.

>>51975535
This setting sounds... both tremendously interesting and deeply retarded, like, spooky bullshit kind of retarded.

Would play in any point based system that would allow me to construct all sorts of new monsters that defied laws of physics and allowed for maximum point overstretch.

I mean, monsters made of darkness and sand, radioactive screams wailing at explorers, parasites inside the PC's heads, that sort of shit.

>>51977876
It's based on a 1912 science and itself inspired by Time Machine of the 1890s. It's understanding of things is going to be a little off from our perspective.

Did they even commonly know about radiation back then?

>>51977876

Most monsters seem to have some general physical limitations, though mostly overwhelmingly strong. There's a good deal of just hazards that have to be avoided, like The Doors, but otherwise the weirder shit tends to obey rules and follow an order unto its own, though it's mostly horrifying. There's also the Watchers, which can try and will you to death by staring at you, but a little persistence can make them decide it's not worth the trouble or allow you to crawl out of the range they can turn their heads.

The House of Silence is especially malicious, but ultimately rooted in place, although you never quite lose the feeling that it's watching you. The Silent Ones will tear you apart if you walk the same road as them, or walk into their clearings, but will otherwise notice you though not particularly care. This stuff tends to accumulate closer to Redoubts, where mankind is actively trying to be snuffed out by evil.

The vast majority of creatures are giants, weird vampire-people with extra arms, troglodytes, fat scorpions the size of basketballs, and big spiders. Larger ones include monster hounds the size of horses and massive, horrible slugs, and Forces of Evil which are huge, horrific kinds of unstoppable demons. One of which is described as a massive, leafless willow tree with whipping arms.

Basically, most of this stuff is pretty knowable, and has defined limitations, but a whole lot of what they can do is save or die. I personally think it works much better as a narrative than a game setting, but a dark fantasy game setting can probably take inspiration from it.

>>51977952
At least the writers wanted to keep up to date with those kinds of things, but that was still fringe science to most people that werent in those fields, X rays had already been discovered, people experienced radiation poisoning (even if they didn't understood exactly what was happening to them) and physicists actively asked the academies to push for regulations in the distribution of radioactive compounds while trying to outdo each other in discovering new types of rays that could be useful (and a lot of them suffered side effects for it).

They basically knew that it was a new thing, kind of eerie, that it emitted pretty light under some circumstances, that some variations could be used to see your bones, and that too much could kill your ass.

I can see it being used for novels back then, although mixed heavily with myths and suppositions.

>>51977779
The Night Land has a massive Professional Fanfic/Expanded Universe following (Well, massive as those sorts of things go, which is to say that they're not up to scale with the Cthulhu mythos but they do actually have published works by respected authors).

Surprisingly, they've kept their shit together for a timeline where it can all go in 'canon'. The chronologically latest story involves a universe reboot WITHOUT the Powers of Darkness.

But that's fucking fanfic. Let's keep to Hodgson himself.

If you hold the Fanfic out, the final fall of the Redoubt and the extinction of man is no longer a known factor. Predictable, perhaps, but not unerring, infallible prophecy. If you take Hodgson's view, this is also a universe, ultimately, with a caring god where all souls that make it to the end will be reunited with those they love. This, and the Redoubt's time having scientific proof of the soul, reincarnation, and so on is part of why being able to suicide in the face of certain hazards is so goddamn important: Death isn't the end, the end is either Destruction or Salvation.

>>51975535
It would actually be pretty easy then to run a game knowing that. There's a lot of inherent conflict in the setting you've just presented to us. First, determine who the players will be. Explorers sent outside of the protection of the pyramid? Those who capture and study the monsters? Personal security within the pyramid that deal with breaches, monsters, internal conflict, and insanity? Also consider modifying the setting for the sake of gameplay; ie if the world outside really is too dangerous lighten it up a tad bit or give the PC's some sort of Macguffin power so that they can go on expeditions and shit.

>>51976183
IIRC back then people believed the Sun was a ball of burning coal and it would have a shelf-life of a few thousand years up to a few million years.

>>51977081
Uh, current scientific predictions are that humanity will be extinct within 1000-100,000 years due to mass extinctions, climate change and a completely fucked interrupted phosphoros cycle.

Our extinction will make the Permian-Triassic extinction event featuring Siberia getting covered with 2,000,000 square kilometres (770,000 sq mi) of lava over a few million years of non-stop volcanic eruptions look like a joke.

Because it will literally be billions of hairless apes starving to death on a desert death world because we didn't get our shit together today.

>>51978006
What's wrong with save or die "enemies"?

It'd be nice to see a game where the main mechanic is "survive for XP" instead of "kill for XP".

>>51981224
I'm sorry, but can you imagine the technology we will be having in 1000 years?

I mean, if we don't nuke ourselves in the next 50 or so we should be golden, and if we do, we die anyway.

>>51981224
lmao

>>51977431
I love destiny. How accurate is your post/ how much does it draw from this book?

>>51981368
Technology can only improve if we have money to fund scientific research.

Given the current global political climate of populism, nationalism/anti-globalism and anti-intellectualism, I can very much imagine a future where research stagnates, or even deteriorates.

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>>51981224
>current

>>51981558
>implying it is "The End"

Human extinction isn't the End. Earth and life on it will happily continue.

>>51981557
Makes you wonder how on earth we ever got anything done before global elites did everything for us.

>anti-intellectualism

You mean anti-narrative driven politics? There's plenty of scientists who have been silenced because their research doesn't fit the narrative being pushed. There's plenty of evidence being suppressed and denied to tow the party line.

>>51981605
>end of human existence is not the end of human existence

>>51981632
>wah wah wah muh flat earth creationist annunaki crystal serbian pyramid science

Kingdom Death

>>51981557
>Technology can only improve if we have money to fund scientific research.

The "we" is the consumer, which is not limited to only governments. As long as people want new cool shit, new cool shit will be made.

Also, military research trickles down to the private sector anyway.

>>51981749
I'm not gonna argue for your strawman's, anon.

>>51981224

>current scientific predictions are that humanity will be extinct within 1000-100,000

First of all, no, that's not true. You probably read that somewhere, but that somewhere wasn't an actual scientific journal.

Second, "1000-100,000 years"? That's like a doctor saying "your blood work came back, with your cholesterol levels you have only a year to live. Or maybe a century. Somewhere in there."

>>51981794
Does this new cool shit involve renewable power/nuclear power/fusion power, space exploration or environmental protection/recreation?

Because if not, we're still fucked. You can't save the future with iPhones.

>>51981343
>literally no context
>just teared up a little.
that's some impressive visual story telling you've got there
would be a shame if anyone...

sourced it.

>>51981861
It came from a journal. The journal also mentioned that it's unlikely humanity as a whole is stupid enough to keep on living like we live today for long enough to make extinction a certainty. But that's not the point. The point is that human extinction is very close and just around the corner.

The coming collapse of the phosphoros cycle is some scary shit man. You better hope for scientists to come with a solution on that.

>>51981632

>There's plenty of scientists who have been silenced because their research doesn't fit the narrative being pushed. There's plenty of evidence being suppressed and denied to tow the party line.

You truly don't understand what's happening.

It goes like this:

>"Ok, guys, we did 5,000 studies on climate change, and one of them came back negative. We're not gonna draw too much attention to the one negative result. We've just barely got these mouthbreathers understanding that this shit is happening, but they don't want to believe it and they'll seize on any tiny scrap of evidence against to ignore the mountain of evidence for."

And then people like you screech "THE EVIDENCE IS BEING SUPPRESSED!!!!!!!!!"

>>51981894
Hotel by Boichi.

>>51981926
Nevermind that retarded faggots like him don't understand how science works.

It pays more to destroy a theory than to hold one up with faulty data. You get more fame and more funding from wrecking shit.

Science is inherently anti-hierarchical and anarchistic.

I wonder if that faggot now comes with some schizo-paranoid Christian wank shite about Satan controlling the entire science community. That's what my dad does when I tell him this.

>>51981861
>Second, "1000-100,000 years"? That's like a doctor saying "your blood work came back, with your cholesterol levels you have only a year to live. Or maybe a century. Somewhere in there."

well a thousand is pretty optimistic to start

but if we make it through to a hundred years from now, then we'll necessarily have figured out enough of the immediate problems (peak oil, desertification, population crisis) to make it through the next thousand, because the hypothetical solutions to those problems are significant enough to keep us going for a long time

then if we manage to muddle our way through THOSE couple thousand years we would HAVE to have solved a whole new set of enormous crisis, so it'll likely take way bigger problems to challenge us again in the future

it's like when you first level up, there's a while where you crush all the old encounters that previously gave you trouble, though eventually you run into some new big bad to fight

>>51981926
You mean like scientists whose research was not recorded in reports, but whose names were used in them to give the report more credibility? You mean like how satellite readings find that global warming has been on a pause for the past 18 years? You mean like how the dude who came up with the famous hockey stick model everyone was using as proof says he was wrong?

>>51982078
>muh annunaki reptilian microwave mindcontrol drain the swaaaamp!

>>51982078
>He solved peak oil with a hockeystick, Liberals Hate Him!
>click here to find out how!

>>51981632
>There's plenty of scientists who have been silenced because their research doesn't fit the narrative being pushed. There's plenty of evidence being suppressed and denied to tow the party line.

Disagreement is not denial, and refusing to publish shoddy papers in your journal is not suppression.

You're not being silenced, you can shout dumbass theories from the rooftops for all I care. I'm thankfully free to call you a fucking idiot, though, just like I'm free to ignore your idiocy.

FREEDOM FUCK YEAH!

>>51982078
[citation needed]

>>51982095
>>51982116
>>51982161
>gets the requested specific examples
>spews memes
If you're so confident in your own viewpoint, defend it.

>>51977045
Huh, what a nice visualization of the concept.

>>51982133
So what do you call someone's name being used in an official report without anything they said in it, and them having to threaten legal action to get their name out of it?

>>51974603
The Night Land is actually listed in 5e's "Inspirational Reading" appendix. I don't know about the previous editions. So honestly I'd say you could run it just fine in there. Use re-fluffed monsters a bit above the party's level to keep things scary and voilà. Take into account the limited telepathic powers that most people have as well, include the diskos as a staple weapon and you have all you need.

>>51982320
freedom

>>51982320
A mistake. Shit happens. Mature people realize this.

>>51982558
Mature people would also have the name removed at the request of the person without legal action.

Mature people would also not be afraid of dissenting opinions and instead debate them openly, rather than just silence them. We saw how well silencing people have worked so far.

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>>51975441
have a map for your edification, y'moonborne summerchilde.

>implying humanity won't continue on existing until heat death driven by pure spite and selfishness
I mean it's pretty much how we've survived up until now, I personally want to see how we manage to pollute the rest of the milky way like we have earth, it'll be glorious

>>51982611
What did we see?

>>51982715
Alpha Centauri, your biosphere work came back. I'm sorry, but you have humans. It's terminal.

>>51982794
Planet has a strong immune system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L5JgTkxAkg

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>>51982792

>>51975571
Does she end up being a monster?

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>>51975535
>>51974603
Setting strike me as very Numenera -eqse. Perhaps you should run it in that world. Basic book already has a ton of overly weird monsters and events for you to use.

God damn this book sounds awesome, will read. Any other good shit like this?

>>51982320
>>51982611

Here is how hard science work : You, a scientist, have a field of expertise. Your job is to make findings in that fields, supported by enough evidence.
Once this is done, you publish your findings. These are then scrutinized by other scientists whose field of expertise is similar enough to yours that your paper will warrant their attention, and that they will understand your particular technobabble. Then, one of two things happen : >Said submission is deemed accurate with regards to the current understanding of science, and.
Or
>Said submission is deemed idiotic with clear contradictions with most other papers submitted on the topic, the community laughs at the author and calls him a hack.
Very, very, very rarely (I do need to emphasize on the rarity of this occurence) said author is, some time along the way, proved right in spite of prior assumptions. In the exceedingly large majority of cases, the scientific community as a whole is more or less efficient in removing noise from signal in any field of research (some more than others of course).

>Can such a process by influenced by politics?
Yes, of course. Politics and "the Media" can, will and have exagerated the visibility of some fields of research at the expense of others.

>Can such a process compromise an entire field of research
It is unlikely. Political influence deals in country-by-country basis, while the scientific community is international. Compromised documents will be laughed at by honest peers.

>Is Climate Change real?
Yes. You will believe otherwise, but yes.

>Gib proof.
I shouldn't, since the burden of proof lies on the accuser, and since acceptance of Climate Change being real as been a global consensus in the civilised world for a few years, that makes you the accuser.
Nevertheless, you are free to peruse this website at your leisure :
http://www.sciencedirect.com/
A significant amount of scientific data is published here, and submitted to peer scrutiny.

>>51983287
So if, say, during the next few years we start getting more and more publications going the other way on climate change, you will accept it as the truth?

>>51983060

It's not actually that good - all the cool shit you're hearing mentioned in a couple of pages,and then the hero of the peice goes to the lesser redoubts rather unadventfully, slaps the bitch in the lesser redoubt until she comes back with him and stops being a hysterical woman.

>>51983287
Cont.

>Is there some shady business in the field of science?
There is no singular field of science, but yes, fundings will sometimes, ah, "flavor" the outcome of some scientific pursuits. Private-funded research are especially dicey in this regard, if you think these are more reliable than publicly-funded ones, you are an idiot, the kind of idiot who wears tinfoil hats.
Sometimes, a scientist, postgraduate student or what have you, will not be properly credited, despite having done most of the work. This is often due to an unbalanced power relationship between the ones that are credited and the ones that aren't. It's ugly, it happens, but is does not, in any way, compromise the veracity of these publication. Only peer-review can affirm or debunk scientific findings.

>Does anecdotic examples of bad pratice in some fields of research compromise the whole field ?
No. Generalization, in *every* aspect of social scructures, is wrong, harmful and leads to terrible mistake. Keep that in mind.

I'm not really hoping that I have changed your mind, but I did try civilized discourse rather than Ad Hominem. If that did change your mind, great! If it didn't, well I tried.

Pardon my grammar. English is not my first language.

>>51983377
That's how science works you fucking retard.

Of course, if all the publications come from the Christian Science Institute from Mexico... hahahahahahaha.

>>51983432
>That's how science works you fucking retard.

Well, you did say you tried, so I'll give you that.

>>51983444
Tried what?

>>51983482
Civilized rather than Ad Hominem.

>>51983501
not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person

>>51983521
Then why are you answering for someone else? I didn't ask you, I asked >>51983287.

>>51983501
>waaaah someone is being mean to me on the 4chan mom!

Fuck off back to Plebbit you fucking sissy faggot.

>>51983540
because not everyone is the same person but we can all read how fucking retarded you are

>>51983564
>>51983557
Way to get triggered over nothing.

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>>51983607
If it's nothing, why are you so mad about people calling you a fucking retard?

Maybe you should leave 4chan until you've grown up and left your humongous teenage ego behind you.

>>51983662
You aren't even trying.

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>>51983662
>Screaming umad? umad? umad? umad? umad?
Nah, you're the mad one newfriend.

>>51981886
>Does this new cool shit involve renewable power/nuclear power/fusion power, space exploration or environmental protection/recreation?
Well yes, all research in those domains are driven by consumer demand nowadays.

I work in such a lab

>>51983060
>>51983384

Might I recommend "The Night Land: A Story Retold"? It's a very good modernization that keeps most of the important core (including the beautifully weird desolation and menace of the Land, most importantly) without the shitty faux-16th-century overwrought prose or the really awkward failure of Hodgson to understand human interaction (Mirdath/Naani is still impish and sometimes uncooperative but both her actions and the main character's reactions read a lot better as being the behaviors of actual people with feelings).

The story is still a fairly basic "Dude goes through hell and back to rescue chick" yarn, but as with Avatar (The James Cameron one, not the awesome cartoon that got a painfully mixed quality sequel) you're here for the scenery anyway and there's so much imagination spent there that having an old, basic plot is totally forgivable when it's (re)told well.

If that sounds not to your taste, maybe just read chapter 2. Or 2-5 if you're being generous.

>>51977431
Just the fucking sight of this dumb fucker makes me angry...

>>51983377
Not that >>51983432 anon, but in essence, yes, he is right.

Though I wouldn't say "more" but "most".

You see, peer-reviewed publications concluding to Climate Change not being real makes for such a tiny proportion of the whole field that it *is* basically risible.
The reason for that is, the reasons behind climate change aren't part of an easily-falsifiable (is that even a word?) field : They're physics. Simple, tried and true physics that was figured out in the 19th and early 20th century : Carbon dioxyde is a gaz that prevents some solar radiation from leaving Earth. Solar radiation is, by its very nature, energy. Energy can be absorbed or reflected. When it is absorbed, is rarely stays : it can, among other things, fuel chemical reactions, or be released through heat.
Therefore, less radiation leaving the planet means more being absorbed, an then released through heat. Therefore, more carbon dioxyde means more heat.
It just so happens that the overwhelming majority of human vehicles, and a significant amount of power plants and some other industries, release carbon dioxyde in the air.

I am making criminal oversimplications of course, but the basics are there, they are real and accurate, unless we make findings that somehow invalidates two centuries of very easily observable and analyzable physics.

>>51983781
Do you mean he's an effective villain or an avatar for your frustration over grindwall gameplay?

I hear Destiny is basically Warframe that you have to pay money for. Which is like fucking bad because at least Warframe is a free grindwall game.

>>51983805
Yes
Also:
>I could tell you of the great battle, centuries ago

>>51983816
...
>BUT I WONT

>>51983816
>>51983830
Do they actually pull that?

You'd think they'd know it's best to show things unexplained instead of half-way explaining things unseen.

>>51982234
>>51982078
Are you talking about the global warming pause that has been debunked over and over? Wow, what a retard.

>>51983859
They didn't even have the fucking decency to tell the player about "the great battle", let alone show it. It's not bad writing, it's a fucking scam

>>51983901
It's not exactly hard to put it in the game. The Warframe team does it all the time.

>hey we have this big thing we want to show the players that we don't want to put in the game itself because it's too big (expensive) to model by our graphics team and/or too big (resource intensive) to be rendered by the game
>let's turn it into a matte painting/skybox painting

>>51983961
Whoops. I mean put the evidence of some massive ancient battle in the game without any mention of it.

Like say huge warmachines wrecked on the horizon.

>>51983961
>>51983979
No, they didn't even do that. The whole reason that humanity is confined to a single city, the whole reason the player even exists is given ONE LINE.

>>51983789
Water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone do the same thing, and I don't know how I feel about getting rid of water and the ozone layer. Seems like a bad idea. Probably isn't healthy for all the plants either to get rid of carbon dioxide.

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>>51974603
You drop on the floor, wiggle uncontrollably, muttering "oh, woe is me!".
Then you declare all PCs died and even the death didn't bring them release.
I hate so much worlds that give no chance for at least a decent outcome. And compared to this WH40k is all rainbows and unicorns.

>>51984088
Yeah, getting rid of all CO2 would be hilariously bad. Which is why no one is advocating that.

But we've been crapping a ton of it into the atmosphere for a while now, and it's getting fucking tacky and starting to fuck shit up. I mean, seriously, do you take dumps on your couch and just leave it there? This is about cleaning up our own fucking mess for our own fucking sake.

>>51984088
> Getting rid of water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone
What? No one is talking of getting rid of those things, and even if they were, that's not exactly feasible. Well, less methane would actually be a good thing.
>Probably isn't healthy for all the plants either to get rid of carbon dioxide.
Likewise, there is no feasible way to do that. But what we have been doing for the past two centuries or so is spewing increasingly large amounts of the stuff.

You don't seem to be denying either the premises or the conclusions of Climate Change, merely the method to stop it (Which is impossible with regards to the current state of science, we can only hope to slow it down).

Does this mean you agree to Climate Change being real? You haven't yet shown otherwise.

>>51984119
Do you hate D&D because you're, by default, not going to destroy the Lower Planes and annihilate both fiend-kind and all monsters for all time?

Night Land is a bleak world. It's a world where humanity is on the ropes and we can see the implacable force that may, at some point in the future, spell our doom. Of course it's also a world where we have millions of years of history and, by the best estimation of the Monstruwacans, millions of years yet to live before the advance of the Watchers brings them to the Redoubt or the Earth Current fails. It's a setting in which, on the scale of individual characters, you can live, fight, survive, find true love, better the lives of those around you, and ultimately die with the hope of either reincarnation or absolute theistic salvation.

Unless you think going to work each day is meaningless because the heat death of the universe looms ahead, I wouldn't call this a "No chance for a decent outcome" setting. The threats are very large and very difficult (if not impossible) to shift but also very, very slow or distant.

>>51981123

They tend to study monsters from afar. The protective circle around the pyramid kills any monsters who try to enter. Also most people know the Word of Power, which so far only humans can repeat. Evil creatures can speak with others from afar, but they can never answer the Word of Power.

If we're going something more amiable to players, maybe change it to a fortress and brighten up the land a little. Now it's dying Earth, but the night hasn't yet fallen the sun's just setting. Monsters might be less prevalent, evil less potent, and possibly even humans can live outside whatever fortresses or arcologies house the major cities, but only the major cities are safe. Something more like Jack Vance's Dying Earth than the Night Lands.

>>51984170
Do I think Earth temperature has changed over time? Yes. Do I think it's all due to human activity? I don't know, the temperature has changed before we came around and before modern industry. Do I agree with the latest craze that we're all doomed and we must repent? Not really. Do I think we should take actions to make environmentally friendly decisions? Yes, if they're smart decisions. Do I think we should all just off ourselves to save the world? No. Do I think global warming can and is used as a political tool? Yes. Do I think scientists can be subject to bias? Yes.

Bottom line, I'll take off my hat to the hippie who rides a bike, lives modestly and believes in what he is doing. I don't know how much I'll trust the rich dude riding in his personal jet around the world to paid events where he tells us all to be poor and give his charity more money to save the world.

>>51983752

Unless you've got a mustache so curly and long you can hang all the coats in your closet from it, it's going to be a slog to read The Night Land in any other version than the Retold version.

It was written in an already archaic fashion for a time when writing in an archaic fashion was the norm, and it even surpasses Lovecraft in that style. Not to mention a lot of it is... Antiquated. Half the book is our protagonist beating his lover because she's being "hysterical" and their love story reads like /r/theredpill storyboarded it. Retold actually makes the romance seem real, cuts the crap, and actually ads in a few sections that the original book missed entirely to make the book read in order and make some semblance of sense.

>>51984538
You do, at the end, seem like a reasonnable fellow. An overwhelming amount of data does suggest we are responsible, though I'll point out that Climate Change can only be slowed down through a common effort from all, or at least a very significant proportion of Mankind.
To be honest, if we pull that off we'll have successfully dealt with issues at least as great and daunting at Climate Change itself. The latest summit were a joke of circlejerking politics.

At the end of the day, all the effort each one of us makes to reduce CO2 footprint is likely to also reduce our spendings, and that's a good thing, no?
As ridiculous as it may sound, I ask of you to put more faith in scientist, if not in science. Most of us are genuinly trying to make things better, and we do our best to accept outside fundings without submitting to outside interference. Sometimes it's hard, and on more uncommon occasions, it's impossible. But most of do have ethics. The intimidating, uncompromising specter of peer-review also helps.
With that said, I can agree with you.

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>>51984696
I'm all for science, but I also know that scientists are only human (even great minds have been wrong on some things) and that what scientists find and how it's used can differ wildly.

Hell, remember when genetics were all the craze and then we got into eugenics? That didn't turn out so well. And now the subject of human genetics is a touchy subject. To the point that it can end up being harmful.

>>51984334
>Unless you think going to work each day is meaningless because the heat death of the universe looms ahead
I kinda do.
But I still hope I'll be in the first generation to remove the shackles of death.

>>51984822
That's a false equivalence though, no one is going to die because they built a solar panel instead of burning a pound of coal.

>>51984982
OK then, at least you're consistent.

>But I still hope I'll be in the first generation to remove the shackles of death.
You and me both. Live forever or die trying, eh?

>>51985016
A coal mine can lose his job tho

>>51985016
How did research into human genetics cause humans to die?

Also, I don't know how much solar panels would help people living up north, where days last but a few hours and they need something to keep them warm. Or should I just rub some shoe polish on my face and walk to Germany?

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>>51984982
>>51985027
I'm asking for this.

>>51984982
>>51985027
>>51985232
Transhumanism soon, brothers

>>51985244
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/13/elon-musk-humans-merge-machines-cyborg-artificial-intelligence-robots.html

>>51976183
because lord knows 100+ years from now people aren't going to laugh about the silly shit we think we know about stars.

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>>51985244
Oh, really? When?

>>51985078
The problem isn't sticking panels in the north, it's storing the energy they collect during the long summer days for use in winter without massive bleed off. Which people are working on now. No clue how it's coming along though, because I'm a pleb.

>>51985327
I really doubt they'll make batteries that capable. Let alone solar panels that efficient.

>>51985327
>No clue how it's coming along though, because I'm a pleb.
90+% yields in hydrogen cells. I's 10% more efficient than storing water uphill with pumps. Some units are already being sold, but the problem is that there is no real feedback on how long those cells last.

>>51985367
I disagree, as we've done some amazing things in the past with increasing energy efficiency and miniaturization and such. But at this point, it's really just my speculation until these things hit the market. Unless you choose to believe Popular Mechanics in which case we're only a week away from living in Star Wars.

>>51985448
Consumer scale, affordable energy storage that can store several months of electricity for a house to power all the electric devices in it, including heating (which is not cheap), and solar panels so efficient they're able to gather most of that power during the few months it's sunny...?

>>51985448
problem is we have a lot of the technology and knowledge required to start doing fantastical things like putting a colony on another planet, but people aren't willing to throw bodies at them.

>>51985535
We've also got a fair number of engineering hurdles for a few of those things. Or is that what you meant?

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>>51985284
>implying 100+ years from now people won't weep tears of blood about how they wish to return to our times when we knew nothing

IA IA IA TEKELI TEKELI

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>>51985535
We have plenty of people ready to die on the Moon or Mars.

We don't have politicians with the vision to send those people to die in space. And I don't mean politicians as in pic related. A president can want a lot, but if his fellow politicians don't go along, it won't happen. Bush wanted people in space, Obama wanted people in space.

Fuck knows what Trump wants, he probably believes the Moon landing is done by Stanley Kubrick out in Arizona and that the cold vacuum of space is manufactured in factories in China.

>>51985610
what I mean is that most of the engineering problems around those problems is a lack of applied effort more than anything else. The instant the goal of a project becomes more important to a society than the people doing it progress rapidly increases.

>>51985524
I understand that you're attempting to poke fun of my hypothesis by portraying the scenario as absurd through your wording, but yes. Theoretically it's much like what happened with computers over about 50 years.
Although being from Alaska, I can say with much more experience that the more likely scenario would be storing the power at the plant itself, rather than selling the batteries to consumers. From there it can be fed into the grid to provide power to the more remote villages and communities throughout the colder parts of the year. In fact, some villages like Kotzebue are already trying to ween themselves off of fossil fuels. https://www.kea.coop/renewable-energy/ Admittedly this is an example of wind farming, but it faces similar power storage complications. Therefore I feel it's applicable enough to the situation. I also don't want to say that this will be an easy process, but it's one we've already begun.

>>51985535
Personally, I'd be set just seeing a body get thrown at Mars and returned safely to the Earth. Likely not before the decade is out.

>>51985737
Most politicians care about having a "successful space program" and don't give a shit about people going into space.

>>51985794
for that to happen people have to be willing to accept that body not making it back at all. Someone has to take the leap.

>>51985737
Plot Twist: Kubrick DID direct the moon landing movie because we sent him to the moon to do it.

>>51985817
>Most politicians care about having a "successful space program" and don't give a shit about people going into space.
Which translates "Let's pay the Russians to put some tech on a junkpipe filled with rocket fuel".

That's not a space program. That's SOCIALISM!

>>51985737
What exactly are the benefits of sending people out to die on Mars?

>>51982984
No.

But the protagonist is a bit of a wife beater.

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>>51974603
Mah nigga.

>>51985843
Public interest. People are more likely to demand politicians give space programs more money when there are people out there in space doing things. Even if they're just growing po-tay-toos or dying.

>>51985817
>tfw when politicians are so scared of the possibility of being seen failing that they don't bother to try
They really are just like us.

And there's a ready supply of astronauts chomping at the bit to try to go to Mars. The real problem is that the higher-ups are to scared of the bad press from a dead astronaut to let them loose.

>>51985843
Saying we did it. Just like the moon, it's a measuring stick for national dicks. That's why I hope China makes an honest effort. There's no bigger motivator than a threat to a country's ego.

>>51981525
>was a BALL?

Both stories are about The Last Human city dispatching techno-knights in to the wilderness outside their walls, which is filled with monsters, relics of past civilization and looming lovecraftian darkness.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that somebody on Destiny's writing team has read Hodgeson, but OTOH the scenario is broad enough for it to be parallel evolution.

>>51985794
>I understand that you're attempting to poke fun of my hypothesis by portraying the scenario as absurd through your wording

I'm not. There's a difference between that's possible and what's feasible. I'm sure we could built an energy storage facility and a solar panel farm that could power a house in the north through the year. But how feasible it is, is another question.

>Theoretically it's much like what happened with computers over about 50 years.

Even at 100% efficiency a solar panel can gather only so much energy from the Sun and that amount has to be enough to account for all the time it's not getting energy. The energy storage has to be capable of storing all that energy and holding it for months with little recharge along the way, and do it reliable year in and year out.

>>51985843
If you send some people with the equipment to scout for a base, those people will die because they'll run out of breathable oxygen, but they might be able to find a good site and tell you where.

If you send some people with prefabrication equipment to build a base, those people will die, no air, but they might be able to rig an airtight area up with docking facilities.

If you send some people with plants and oxygen replenishment tools, those people will die of starvation, but they might be able to get oxygen up and running in that base.

If you send some people with sufficient equipment to process food, you might have people living on mars, atop the corpses of others. If you send enough people then you can actually succeed.

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I did like the side story where one of the characters actually managed to train the giant fuck-off cthulhu dogs to protect him. That was nice.

>>51985915
>>51985921
Well, why don't we just take one of those Mars probes, leave out the lander and put a dude in a space suit in there? Sure, he'll die along the way and it's just gonna be his frozen corpse rocketing into the Martian soil, but we did dun it! We put a man on Mars, fuck yeah!

Even then Moon landings were being planned, just sending people out there and worrying about getting them back later was an option, but for some weird reason sending people to die didn't have that same glory to it than bringing them back alive.

>>51985967
Why can't we just use machines to do that and then send people down there once it's all set up?

I don't know how much I trust a person who's willing to sit in a space ship for months, knowing they're destined to die and get forgotten in favor of the people who get to make it back.

>>51977045
You know that might be the only way to make an actual plasma weapon, put it in a loop

>>51986094
The thing is, humans can use many tools, can intelligently solve problems, are relatively light - AND they cost no development money and time.

Some guy and girl already did all the "design" for you about 20 up to 40 years ago through some good old lewd inni-and-outti.

>>51985967
It honestly wouldn't be that bad. Step 1 can be done remotely and steps 2 and 3 could be bundled together. Personally I want someone to launch a lichen bomb so that eventually the environment wouldn't be as hostile.

Here in this thread we see the most basic divisions of humanity. The pessimist and the optimist. The rationalist and the empiricist. Those who accept and those who refuse.

Life. Death. Hope. Despair. Will you rage against the dying of the light? Or will you go quietly into that good night.

>>51986136
>The thing is, humans can use many tools, can intelligently solve problems, are relatively light - AND they cost no development money and time.

People need food, air, waste disposal, space, and a whole slew of things to operate and something to do so they don't go crazy. A probe need to be strapped to the tip of a rocket.

>>51982984
I feel like that might be a more fitting plot twist after the world had been through WWI and suddenly despair was in vogue.

Lots of people lining up. Few of them actually qualified. Even fewer of them psychologically stable enough to walk into death slowly over the course of a year in confined quarters with specific mission goals.

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>>51985960
>I'm sure we could built an energy storage facility and a solar panel farm that could power a house in the north through the year. But how feasible it is, is another question.
>Even at 100% efficiency a solar panel can gather only so much energy from the Sun and that amount has to be enough to account for all the time it's not getting energy. The energy storage has to be capable of storing all that energy and holding it for months with little recharge along the way, and do it reliable year in and year out.
I would say that it is feasible, even without 100% efficiency, which I believe is thermodynamically unreasonable. Provided the correct scaling (and the Alaskan arctic has plenty if you have the stomach for industrializing it) you could heat and light these villages year round. Maybe not next year, but we are making progress on these problems all the time.

And pick related just gave me another idea, if you'll forgive me moving this goalpost. Europe has been entertaining the idea of using the Ouarzazate Solar Farm in Morocco as a source of cheaper power. They're considering using a sunnier continent to circumvent the need to store energy from their own temperate farms. This gives me an idea for the following hypothetical scenario laid out in my next post.

>>51986643
Welcome back.
We build two solar farms. One in the arctic and one in the Mojave. The local farm collects, supplies, and stores solar power 24/7 during the sunlit summer months. During winter, even with bleed off, they could supplement their energy needs (which outside of the oilfields on the slope are fairly small) with power transported (again, with loss due to inefficient batteries) up from the more regular farms in the lower 48. And here's more good news that relates back to my mention of Kotzebue. Even in Alaska alone, we are experimenting with improving Wind, Hydroelectric, and even Geothermal energy sources. And they are being used in conjunction with traditional fossil fuels to power peoples' lives RIGHT NOW!
So solar power doesn’t have to take the entire load of energy demand. We can (and are) use(ing) diversified renewable sources of power to replace fossil fuels. We don’t need one perfect solution. We have many.
And to bring it back to my original point because I’m sure I’ve spewed enough crap on /tg/ to make everyone sick of reading from me, this is actually happening already. It’s not enough yet, but it’s getting better every year. And even though it’s not front and center in our minds and wallets for a whole host of reasons, it is getting money and it’s more than feasible that these sources of energy will be able to power our lives without the need for fossil fuels. It’s something we’re already working towards.

>>51986025
I think that would fall short. We gotta at least get him onto the planet alive enough to take a selfie we can show off.

>>51986643
>>51986656
Well, we'll see. I'm not holding my breath.

>>51986735
Well of course.
You'll pass out in like, 2 minutes.

>>51985027
Anyone claiming that death doesn't terrify him is a liar.

>>51985327
If you want to store energy for a long time in large quantity then pumped storage electricity is always the best answer.

>>51981886
Bruh, you fail to realize how much of a fucking miracle smartphones are

>>51974603
KANGZ

>>51987231
>Anyone claiming that death doesn't terrify him is a liar.
Then call me a liar, famalam, because death holds no fear for me. I fear what it takes to get there sure, but actually being dead isn't scary. No >edgy reasoning either, it just isn't a thing that affects me with fright nor do I really understand why it should. Sure, it's non-optimal to my well-being but I do lots of stuff that isn't optimal and none of that frightens me.

So go ahead and call me a liar and explain to me in childish terminology (4chan, natch) why I'm wrong to live without the fear of death but I'm not seeing it.

anyone got a link for an epub of Awake in the Night Land?

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>>51987809
How big is the Diskos anyway? Does the book say? And how good a weapon would a plasma lased buzz saw on a telescopic stick be anyway?

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>>51987875

>>51987515
Calm down, man, it's a hyperbole meaning "I can't imagine how anybody can not be afraid of death."
Good for you, anon. Good for you. Have you seriously never had nights when you couldn't sleep because thinking about death kept you awake?

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>>51987892

>>51977876
The Night Land is pretty funny for several reasons, but mostly because it is the most Freudian novel I have ever read.

It is a mix of dreams, perfect and unattainable waifu, rape, towering and massively erect obelisk, impossible night, flowery words, towering and massively erect monsters, and a lot of other things which makes it the most unabashedly frustrated work in existence.

I quite like it and I like the setting more, but that novel isn't the work of a healthy mind, far from it.

>>51987896
>Calm down, man, it's a hyperbole
This is 4chan, there was a very real chance you were being serious. Also, autism happens. I have my moments, apparently.

>Have you seriously never had nights when you couldn't sleep because thinking about death kept you awake?
Nope. Well, not in the sense you mean (I was seriously suicidal for awhile, better now, and that kept me up). But death just isn't scary to me, it's a fact of existence. Since death is an eventuality, I plan to enjoy my life while I have it. Somewhere, someday, I'm going to die. It'll (hopefully) be painless but maybe it won't be. Either way, obsessing about and worrying about it seems just too silly to bother with and like it'll just take away from the value of my living days.

It also helps that the eschatology I subscribe to has no punishment, only an endless cycle of death and rebirth until final release into the blessed void. But that's probably neither here nor there.

>>51987817
No, but I do have Awake in he Nightland, one of the newer works.
http://bookzz.org/book/2479982/699fe4

>>51987982
>also helps that the eschatology I subscribe to has no punishment, only an endless cycle of death and rebirth until final release into the blessed void

POO
LOO

>>51988001
>http://bookzz.org/book/2479982/699fe4
based <3

>>51987940
Second most Freudian tbqhfam, after Justine.

>>51974603
Whee, the Night Land. The one setting that makes Lovecraft look sane, happy and uplifting.

John C. Wright wrote a story set in this universe, reminds me I need to pick it up when I get the chance.

>>51976979
Have to take comfort in the small joys of living, Anon

>>51977081
You must be fun at parties.

>>51988075
>>51988001
Here's your chance.

>>51988034
Not Hindu, try the fuck again. I'm white as snow, fuckwit.

>>51981224
Moron.

>>51977081
Moron.

Entropy has no solution, by nature, but the heat death isn't permanent, so it's all a moot point.

>>51987858
My recollection (which isn't really reliable on its own, but anyway) is that the things are big and/or heavy enough that using them without training falls somewhere between a bad idea and straight suicidal, so I imagined them as being polearm-sized.
I guess they could be the size of an actual pizza cutter and just *really dense*, but that lacks something in the way of gravitas.

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>>51985982
>that thing on the horizon staring at the Redoubt

I love this picture

>>51984024
You're a fool and an idiot. The landscape and enviroments you go through are literally the bones of human civilization, and you can collect information about that conflict. So they didn't throw a three hour long cutscene in your face.

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>>51988383
>he doesn't want 3 hour cutscenes

>>51975535
>>51975571
Wow, that sounds like the ever-popular "mankind under siege by unstoppable monsters" sub-genre of animu, except not a pile of shit like all the animu.

>>51988498
Until it gets an anime anyway.

>>51988544
Anime are not known for adapting western Sci-fi.

The closest I can remember in the last decade was Shiki which is based on a Japanese novel which was heavily inspired by Salem's Lot by Stephen King.

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>>51983060
If you are still around...
Its not good. Its incredibly long and boring without particularly worthwhile writing.
The fluff sounds cool but it is mostly a chore to read through.

>>51985037
The coal miner is going to lose his job anyways because coal is a dead industry

>>51988788
They don't do a lot of direct adaptions, but theres a lot of stuff inspired by western sci fi and fantasy
Theres a shitload of Lovecraft inspired shit in Japan

>>51985396
But isn't hydrogen a real shit fuel source. Low density so it has to be heavily pressurized and you need to put a bunch of energy into making the cells. Or am I thinking of something different?

>>51986198
The movie was way to hamfisted about the poem. It got cringy

>>51988877
Checked and Keked

>>51987892
>you scramble behind the obelisk, the giant monster bitch can smell you but her eye sight is shit and you listen as her lubed tentacle hands groap the massive shaft blindly.
>suddenly, the great gray widow wraps her mouth around the tip of the monolith, gobs of spittle rain down on you and you watch in horror as the black worms that serve as her fingers work its shaft furiously, coming within inches of where you are lying prone, you are in serious danger of being crushed.
>drawing from a well of bravery you did not know existed, you roll over on your back and start tracing the obelisk's glowing fire runes with your finger in perfect sequence, bearing witness to the monstrous hag's furious fellatio.
>the monolith pulses with bright orange light, swelling and shuddering as it's hot liquid magma ejaculate rockets down the monster's throat.
>you roll away just in time to watch as the widow pulls her mouth off the throbbing dong of earth's vengeance. Her belly swollen and glowing with lava, smoke pouring from her mouth as another hot red rope of death hits her square in the eye.

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>>51976659
>But, ultimately, that's the point of the book, written in the theme of "dying Earth," where the Sun is gone and humanity is just kind of hanging on, but ultimately doomed in the face of it all. The Night Land is basically the story of one of the last heroes there will ever be before the entirety of history and culture and even the planet itself is consumed by the dark and again by the dying sun.
Related?

>>51976990

I don't think he actually came out and said that Mi-Go went out with wings. I mean, it's the thirties, we did know about orbital mechanics.

It's kinda funny that he almost always glosses over "normal" tools with his races tough. No vehicles, minimal furniture. I mean, we don't NEED to see a Deep One plumber, but still.

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Here's an audio book version listening to it makes the prose more tolerable.

https://librivox.org/the-night-land-by-william-hope-hodgson/

>>51987852
?

>>51981557
>nationalism cutting down on space research
The only reason we landed on the moon was to beat the Soviets. There's a reason NASA's manned space program pretty much died after the USSR collapsed.

>>51977642
Same.

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>>51983444
>>51983501
I don't think you understand what an ad hominem is.
Calling you a fucking retard isn't an ad hominem unless that's their entire argument, you fucking retard.

>>51975535
Shitty pretext. For the sun to "go out" it would have to do so explosively.

Meaning the earth would be in its blast range and turned to cinders, as the atmosphere and the water vaporize.

Everyone and everything would be incinerated.

BARRING THAT, though:
The rest of it sounds like the giants from Attack on titan, but if there are beasts like that, they would use up all the fucking breathable atmosphere in no time.

So no, the world would not work. 0/10. Wouldn't even fucking play.

The map is nice, though. Maybe turn it into an underwater habitat where there is a force dome over it keeping the water out?

>>51977081
>This isn't even HFY shitposting; NOTHING CAN STOP US.

Except us nuking ourselves to oblivion before we reach this point.
>We can figure out ANY forthcoming problem. Maybe even entropy itself.

I'm betting the Higgs-Boson particle and Dark energy/matter are at the core of it.

>>51993680
Solar life cycles weren't fully accepted at the time, if anything this was ahead of it's time. If you're that anal about the realism of a setting with lovecraftian horrors bent on human destruction, just say it's 30 billion years instead of 30 million. There, now the suns a black dwarf.

>>51993430
I fucking hate these people who accuse everyone else of using fallacies when they clearly don't understand how those fallacies actually work.

It's a fallacy in and of itself. I wonder if anyone has named it yet?

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>>51990614
T-that doesn't actually happen int the book, does it?

>>51993746
Fallacy fallacy?

>>51982847
I don't care how much the gameplay is beloved; the storyline was the worst transhumanist horseshit.

>>51983901
I love the implied ideas behind the setting, but you can tell that they lost their story guy like halfway through.
Granted, he was probably going to declare that The Traveler and The Darkness were actually two halves of the same thing, which is fucking retarded. (Seriously, the worst plot twist of all time. It never works. If you ever consider using this idea, kill yourself.)

>>51985828
Well, yeah. He was a perfectionist. It was the only way to get it right.

>>51988495
Plot twist: we're all extras in a really long cutscene for the last Metal Gear game.

>>51989006
This is what happens when you gut public education.
You end up with people too dense to enjoy any prose heavier than Dan Fucking Brown.

>>51985828
Yeah, but all that footage ended up on the cutting room floor, because he wasn't happy with it and had it reshot in a studio.

>>51994331
It is constant first person exposition in forced 17th century prose while being a 1900 century novel.
Without ANY dialog.
Also it is repetitive as fuck and drags on for hundreds of pages with the same points, seeking shelter and finding food etc.

Was all of that the intention of the author in order to set the mood of this gritty world? Maybe but it makes the book an absolute chore to read through and frankly not worth my time.

These are commonly shared critiques by the way so you can shove your education argument up your ass and gobble some watcher-cock you stupid cunt.

>>51990614
>>51993767

IIRC the obelisk eats the monster's soul while the human slips away.

>>51990614
I miss smut threads

>>51988788
Starship Troopers and Lensman, of all things, did get direct adaptions

>>51991376
Thanks for this, man.