Warhammer Fantasy General

When will Zoats come back?

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>>51974297
People want Zoats back? They always looked clunky to me.

I suppose the Dragon Ogres might be considered a spiritual successor.

>>51974560

Damn it, that's the only positive thing I could fine with AoS. I could rune a Dragon ogre army and say they were Zoats. The only problem is nobody playing AoS would have a clue what Zoat was, so I suppose it's a catch 22.

>>51974634
Actually, looking a little closer they were featured in Storm of Magic as some of the many magical things happening, so they actually have more modern rules.

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>>51974048
>Send the peasants forward so that they may know the horrors we protect them from!

>>51974827

I can't seem to find Storm of Magic in the pastebin.

Also, I think

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/2qbp22o8ch8qc/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battles

is dead.

>>51974905
I don't care if Bretonnian peasant mobs are possibly the shittiest unit in the whole game, I love them. They're fluffy, they're fun, and they can be surprisingly useful in a pinch, especially since they're so cheap.

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The Phoenix King demands that you develop your ideal Warhammer Fantasy video game. He has promised the treasury of Ulthuan to finance this venture, as well as all the time in the world as if you spend your entire life on it it'd be like a week to him. What is it?

Hard Mode: It can't be an RTS, RPG or open world survival/crafting game.

>>51975258

Shadow of the Horned Rat 2.

I wonder if josh reynolds will ever write for arkhan the based again

>>51975258
Multiplayer first person combat game. Optionally third person mode for witch elf and wardancer players.

>>51975258
I didn't see anything in there about a turn-based tabletop adaptation, so I'd go with that.

>>51975258
>Hard Mode: It can't be an RTS, RPG or open world survival/crafting game.

Castlevania-style point-crawl across the Old World as a peasant in the Empire cutting your way through battlefields and looting ruins.

Two paths of Progression, Saintly Path and Chaos Path. Saintly Path sees you becoming more and more a holy servant of Sigmar given your righteous murder across the Old World. Chaos Path sees you getting more Mutant Powers and slowly becoming the enemy of the Empire and the rest of the world.

Do it up in Barbarian King style pixel art because that's cheap and easy compared to proper stuff. Five levels per zone, plus a Boss. Allow for full on wandering across the Old World. Each zone has one shop/town hub.

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>>51975398
Don't test the Phoenix King's patience, keigh'mon.

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>>51975446

> Mon'keigh

Hey... wait a minute.

>>51975446
To be fair there is shoddily made digital 40k tabletop game, i don't see why WHFB can't have one.

>Spend a few turns recuperating in Mousillion after conquering it because I took some losses and the province is close to rebellion because of all the vampire corruption
>Louen gets the 'Procrastinator' trait

Aw come on

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>>51975502
I thought I had covered it, but I, nay, the King should have specified.

Using my on Hard Mode, I'd want to see a 2d fighting game like Marvel vs Capcom or Mortal Kombat, though obviously the latter due to its dark setting. Control Malekith, Grimgor, Karl Franz, Louen Leoncour, Greasus Goldtooth, Lord Mazdamundi and more on a variety of stages.

The story takes place moments before the first battle of the End Times takes place. The Old Ones have returned and disabled all the combatants. Rather than see their creations, and the other oddities, destroy each other, they take the leaders and host a tournament that pits them against each other. The winner's race is spared and taken into space with the Old Ones while the rest die with the planet. And like Mortal Kombat there is the 'story' ending and the 'ladder' endings.

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>>51975258
A turn-based game in the vein of Disciples II.

Honestly I'd probably just make Disciples II but set in the Warhammer universe and with some fancy features on top.

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>>51975596
I learned from an anon in the last thread that you can deal with that by having your lord stay at a city with a shrine to the Lady in it. They pray there and it deals with the effect.

I get that this isn't the Total War general, but honestly I'm glad I'm not the only one playing it. It's my first time being a part of something as it happens, and it's weird to have almost nowhere else to look for advice.

Has anyone noticed that all the Warhammer Dwarfs are from Yorkshire.

Is there possibly anything better in life than being a Dwarf?

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>>51975801
Being immortal Christmas cake.

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>>51975648
>>51975596

just go to /vg/ there is always a total war general up and its 90% totalwarhammer

you can literally just read the effects of the shrine and it says all that

or you can just use mods to not get shitty traits

>>51975801
>>51975821
Being a Grail Knight. Similar, if greater, lifespan as dwarfs and with none of the many drawbacks of vampirism. Plus your soul goes to the Lady after death and your remains are protected.

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>>51975801

Defeating the enemies of mankind with pike, shot and guts?

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>>51975969
>>not Faith, Steel and Gunpowder

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>>51976189

> Not Beer, Beards and Battle Axes.

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I've been really into the Skaven recently and dug out my army after getting a new warp lightning cannon, the new Thanquol and Boneripper and some stormfiends.

I can't wait until they make it into Warhammer Total War.

>>51977880
They'll be in the expansion, no doubt.
>>High Elves
>>Dark Elves
>>Lizardmen
>>Skaven

Works even if you make it Southlands only.

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>>51977893
Those are the 4 factions I figured would be in the next expansion. Putting Naggaroth, Lustria and Ulthuan on the map makes sense and the Skaven are popular enough that they shouldn't wait much longer to put them in.

I could, however, see them expanding Chaos (either adding daemons or fleshing out mortals) since the Dark Elves, High Elves and Lizardmen all have good enough reason to fight them. But the Skaven and Lizardmen are good opposites. We'll see.

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>>51975258
Third person shooter massive online battle arenas with the occasional npc herding abilities, the possibility to momentarily escalate from being a basic infantry unit to stronger tiers and player driven content in the form of dinamic campaigns and maps workshop.

also modes with aos stuff

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>>51977950
I'm worried about how they'll handle the globe as a whole. The game already has a ton of factions, and adding more makes turns go longer. And most of them won't even really be interacting with each other anyway, unless they add quests and prompts to have factions sailing halfway around the map just to get to each other.

Still, I hope they don't split things up into theatres like they did in Empire Total War, or worse, just chop the globe up into sections. I understand it's already an ambitious project, and I don't want them to cut corners, but if I could sail an army from Marienburg to Lustria, that would make my day.

>>51975733
Been from Yorkshire can confirm, they are all pretty Yorkshire (stubborn, unpleasant, enjoy ale, never impressed by anything.)

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>>51978123
I'm worried about how well the whole Warhammer world will be implemented as well. I'd like to take my fleet of Dark Elf corsairs to every corner of the globe and bring all the slaves, gold and assorted relics and ancient artifacts back to Naggaroth.

How CA does the Skaven is also a thought I've had. How will the many tunnels of the Under-Empire be handled? Will the Skaven be popping up everywhere? Hopefully yes, to add some flavor to the map and allow them to visit any faction at any time for more variety.

How will Ulthuan be handled? So far every faction is split up into subfactions that can war with each other, but it wouldn't seem right to have the High Elves at war with each other. So that means they'll have to sail away from their island home.

I can't wait to see Naggaroth and Ulthuan battlefields, and perhaps the tunnels of the Under-Empire too. The Dark Elves and Skaven are the two factions I've collected and played for many years on the table, and I'm just waiting for one of them to be added. None of the current factions interest me much, but if CA delivers on a good experience for those two factions I'll be a happy man.

>>51978123
I just wish they'd fix the Bretonnia map. It doesn't need to be so squished seeing as how the Empire got all its provinces.

>>51978191
I would find it kind of cool if each dukedom got its own province, but they'd also all be fairly small - unless you made Bretonnia as a whole larger, which might start to strain things a bit. It'd also really help my autism if Couronne and L'Anguille were in the right shape and the proper place respectively.

>>51975258
class based open world fightan game mashup, with Witcher 3s interactivity, and For Honors combat style.

But it's not allowed to be a rpg so we have to shoehorn some dumb progression system in.

>>51977950

Problem with the skaven is that

a) they have to design the UnderEmpire map
b) they've got a fuckton of special rules to port

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>>51975801
Having the comfy life of a spawn.
Chillin' in your cave, eating the odd trespasser.
Get to tag along the cool kids once in a while for a vaction in lush and pleasant lands with a grand buffé of all you can eat human meat.
Never have to worry about developing bad sight as you got plenty of spare eyes.
Get a tooth ache? No worries I'll just eat with my back up mouth for a while.
Never have to struggle with hard to open tins or cans as your handy crab claw snips them open without a hassle.
Never being cold or hot thanks to comfy and insulating fur and shell.
Never get bored or hung up on annoying things as your kind and benevolent god(s) gifted you with the mind of a beast.

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>>51980012
You know what I'd love to see for Skaven?
A Black Hunger mechanic.
There's a few different ways you could go with that. Perhaps they have ridiculous Growth, but if you have a population surplus you get massive settlement unhappiness and your armies get a buff/debuff combination to represent them going mad from hunger. Something to represent their whole Malthusian aspect.

>>51975258
does a diablo-like count as an RPG?

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>>51980740
>have ridiculous Growth
>get rebels stacks every other turn

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>Playing TWW
>Isabella
>Push out against Empire, non-aggression with other Vampires
>Mannfred breaks it
>mamaspank.png
>Spitroast him with Vlad and Isabella
>He flees somewhere
>Lay siege to Drakenhof
>Mannfred offers so much to end the war he loops back around when he runs out of things
>Take Drakenhof
>Whoop Dwarfs, push out into Kislev
>Mannfred has spent the last 30 turns hiding with a small mob of zombies so far north he may be trying to join Archaon
>mfw

>>51975821
Seconding vamp.

100% free from any form of Chaos other than being possessed by a Daemon.

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>>51982148
manlett deserves all bullying possible
even more than archaon

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Another stretch goal past in the Dwarf minis. Free coin piles!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/822163699/dwarven-gold-fever

>>51975258
- Investigate cults in Nuln as a hired blade for the Countess secret service

- Open world survival and crafting in the Chaos Wastes


Hard mode - Angry birds but your a halfling throwing food at Ogres

>>51982817
GW already made Warhammer Angry Birds.

You throw Goblins.

>>51975258
Warhammer Go.

You strengthen your warband and recruit more. You take over structures in your Warhammer-ized area, turning them into faction-specific buildings.

Taking one over is an isometric strategy game with card game magic.

You choose faction (Order, Chaos, Destruction, Undead, Neutral) and your race (Order has Dwarf/Empire/Bret/HE, Chaos has Slaanesh/Khorne/Nurgle/Tzeentch, Destruction has Savage/Forest/Black/Plains, Neutral has Vampire/Tomb/Ogre/Lizardmen).

Dwarf/Nurgle/Black/Ogre are slower troops with shit magic but hardier.
Empire/Slaanesh/Plains/Tomb are jack of all trades with great ranged options, Bret/Khorne/Savage/Vampire are fighty with shit magic, High Elves/Tzeentch/Forest/Lizardmen are fast magic users but flimsy.

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>>51982833
Snotling Fling actually.

https://youtu.be/pqMOzabkzTc

https://youtu.be/DelIoRp5CI0

Someone posted a short story about beastmen in Middenland here a couple months ago, anyone have it? I thought it fit the tone of WHFB really well.

>>51975258
Fuck hard mode.

Isometric RPG which faithfully adapts WFRP 2nd ed.

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>>51983021
>when you love an IP but the owners keep abusing it

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>>51985940
I want to be outraged, but GW has always made shit like that. It's a proud tradition.

>>51975258
a classic Lucas Arts style adventure, set in the Warhammer Fantasy Universe

wow, that hardmode was easy

>>51985940
>>51986134
This.

Renting out the IP for ludicrous reasons was part of the draw.

Remember how there was going to be a 40k television gameshow?

>>51986441
What!?! What would the game even be like?

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>>51982148
>Vampire Counts
>sometimes getting their shit shoved in, but half the time they're spreading across Stirland and Averland and trying to subsume half the Empire
>almost always a fun fight, can bring some challenging armies against you that require strategy to beat their sheer numbers

>Mousilion
>one tiny territory, surrounded by dukedoms that won't go vampiristic easily
>Bad Puke just forms thousand-men armies and gathers them around Mousilion, afraid of Grail Knight bullying
>refuses to attack outside his borders, but no one can fight him because he can just overwhelm with sheer numbers, not fun at all
>keeps suing for peace even when I've been busy fighting Marienburg and forgotten I've been at war with him

It's rather disappointing. Maybe it's just that one game, but you'd think Mousilion could be more of a threat, or at least fun to stomp.

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>>51986785
Robot Wars, before Robot Wars was a thing. The first robot fighting TV show in the mid 80's.

Like Carmen Sandiego or Legends Of The Hidden Temple it'd be a show where there's a setup and story each episode even if formulaic each time. Players were AdMech building robots. Keep in mind this was before "machine spirit" lore where technology is scary, this was when pic related was part of the Imperium army.

It fell through when Kirby bought GW. He didn't see any point in advertising which is why GW ads stopped showing up in magazines too. He was right-ish at the time, but a decade and a half later Warhammer was Warcraft for proto-hipsters due to obscurity and effort needed to get into it.

Is it okay to discuss Mordheim in this general?

Asking 'couse I'm about to start playing Mordheim for the first time and could use some pointers.

>>51987570
It is okay, but I have no pointers to give myself.

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>>51987607
Aight, well hopefully some one does. At worst I'll just have contributed to the thread with some pictures.


I'm going to be playing as Carnival of Chaos.
The setup I'm planning is the following:

Carnival Master - Morning star + Pistol.

2x Brute - Double-handed Weapon.

Tainted One - Club + Shield + Light Armour + Bloated Foulness.

Tainted One - Axe + Sword + Nurgle's Rot.

4x Nurglings.

>>51980044

Eventually you settle down and find a Miss Spawn and have little spawnletts.

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>>51982148

I'll get you next time He-man!

>>51987570

Yes we like all things Fantasy here.

EXCEPT FUCKING AOS.

My best advice for Mordheim is to max out on characters and get henchmen later.

>>51988346
Sweet!
As you can see in
>>51987660
I've maxed out the amount of Heroes I can have to start with. What do you think about their set up?

Just finished my Total War Brettonia Campaign. The last quest battle was really fun. Royal Hippogriffs are really fun to use.

>>51988222
Or adopt a forsaken or two. After all, not every forsaken finds itself a VIP to act as personal champion for.

>>51988474

Well, I'll be honest. My knowledge of the CoC is limited, I was more of a Sisters of Sigmar man myself. But, it all seems pretty good, DHW on Brute is good, the only thing I'm thinking is giving the Carnival Master some better protection like a shield instead of the pistol.

>>51988798
Yeah he is abit on the squishy side. I was hoping that the first round dmg-output he would be capable of would scare away some of the dangers.

Is it worth taking a Bretonnian Lord on a Pegasus on the tabletop? I'm not too particular on editions, but let's just say in the case of 8th.

should I go tzaangor or Daemon focus for tzeentch?

>>51975258
Europa Universalis but for Warhammer

dice+1d6

>>51989335

Pegs are usually pretty good but since Bretonnia has Peg knights I'm not so sure. I would maybe let them focus on flying and run the Lord on a normal horse. You would maybe take a Fey Enchantress or a Wizard/BSB on a Peg though.

>>51989398

There are no Tzangors in Warhammer Fantasy. They would both be demons.

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>>51990707
There actually are Tzaangors, they're just only mentioned in fluff, alongside Slaangors. Pestigors and Khorngors, as far as I know, are the only ones that got models.

However, if you're an autist like me, you'll be pissed that Tzaangors were described as having exotic patterns and colors like tiger stripes or leopard spots, and Tzaangors in AoS are just burds. Well sculpted birds, admittedly, but not especially creative.

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>>51990707
>There are no Tzangors in Warhammer Fantasy.
Tzaangors are just Tzeentch-aligned Gors. Pretty sure the name even goes back to Realms of Chaos.

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>>51990953
And Khorngors, just for completeness's sake.

>>51990953
>>51990971

I meant there were no rules for them, his question related to building an army list I think.

>>51991094

To add, by 'no rules' I meant not in the context of the Demons of Chaos army book.

>>51991124
So you mean proxies?

Mix it. My Daemons mix all three generations of Daemonette, Raging Heroes Mantis Warriors, the Melusines from Mantic, some Reaper Satyrs, a Beastman, and some Dark Elves.

If you paint it right, it just looks like a fantastic Chaos troupe wandering through the woods and looking for trouble.

>>51986827
I haven't played the last patch but in two of my campaigns Mousillion either consumed all of Bretonia or had taken the coast as far south as Tilea. Meanwhile I've never seen VC go any further than Ostmark.

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>>51993368
I'll try to be a little fairer towards Mousilion and see what they're like next time I play, I guess.

This time around they sat adamantly around Mousillion, three lords with about 4000 soldiers between them. They've split up for whatever reason, so I'm trying to attack with Lyonnesse providing support.

>>51980740

There should also be an option to spend a turn after a succesfull battle to eat the fallen.

>>51982833

This brings up memories of one of the last games I saw

>HE vs Orcs&Goblins, 4k
>O&G is known for excessive melee focus
>HE risks it and brings a FH phoenix and a lord upon a griffin
>O&G list includes all the possible warmachines. Bolt throwers, goblin-lobba, rock-lobba
>big horde block of goblins with BSB, poisoned bows
>And of course a big block of savages witht he 4th level shaman
>Turn1 goes to O&G
>Goodgod.jpg
>Gryffin dies, 2 wounds on the phoenix, 2 wounds on the lord, 1 HE bolt thrower is destroyed, 1 O&G bolt thrower misfires and dies, SoA receive 8 casualities and the HE player has to throw his dispel scroll to stop the Foot of Gork
>Turn 1 the HE player is desperately trying to close distance, a Silver Helm units eats 2 fanatics in the face, tries to get around the endless night goblins redirectors.
>Turn 2 continues as the SoA are reduced to rabble, the Phoenix has 1 wound left. Fanatics galore basically wrecks a unit of Phoenix Guard (around 20 hits, totalling roughly 10 casualities)
>Turn 3 silver helm finally get in combat with the savages, but the rest of the army is a mess
>turn 6 the O&G players wins (narrowly, due to a couple of lucky Dwellers and the phoenix refusing to die)

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Can someone dump Dwarf artwork? I can't find any worthy wallpaper pieces.

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>>51974048

What are some good ally factions for Lizardmen?

>>51994394

On tabletop? High or wood elves, or empire. Both elves have exceptional shooting and infantry that packs a punch but is rather squishy. Wood elves have additional singery due to the added woods, which can quickly become nightmarish for your enemies.

Empire can provide the artillery support and heavy cavalry

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Are Ghoul Kangz viable? Back when Fantasy was a alive they seemed like the expensive version of Vampire Lords with fewer options and less survivability.

I ask because my conversion for something entirely different at one stage looked like it would make neat looking Strigoi waifu.

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>>51994436
>On tabletop?

Or Lore, either way.

>>51994532
>lizards riding lizards
Always found this silly.

>>51977880
>>51977893
>>51977950
There isn't going to be anymore DLC after the Brettonia one

>>51994631
Well humans ride other mammals.

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>>51994631
>Mammals riding mammals
not silly

>>51994631
more silly than fungi riding arachnids?

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>“We have political systems like this in the Empire.
>We call them ‘protection rackets’. ”

>- Matthias von Pfeildorf, former Imperial Envoy on Brettonnia.

God, remember when Warhammer had wit and self-awareness?

>>51993584
Now that's a sweet model!

>>51975258
For Honour like combat, gigantic battles where you basically have warhammer units as nice but with 50 or 100 player "Heroes". Pick your faction (Order/Destruction/Undead) and you can play as any of their races (Human/Elf/Dwarf, Chaos/Greenskins/DElf, Vampire/Tomb King/Necromancer) then fight over the Warhammer World from their different starting points. Each map you fight on is related to where the battle is taking place, so you aren't attacking "generic fortress" but actual Altdorf or Karak-a-Krak or Naggaroth.
Everything is reset at the end of a period.

>>51994316
I always wondered if I did something wrong with my Orcs, back in the day.
I mostly had Black Orcs, good Ol' Grimgor with 'em, like two big units of regular Orcs and some River Trolls cause they looked cool. But always seemed to get an ass kicking. Like one match up against Tomb Kings, where the dude just had archer skeletons and casters. Could fire twice a turn and slow my guys to a crawl. Was rough.
Though I was playing 8th, which I seem to remember being "whoever had the bigger Horde wins".
Would have I fared better in previous editions?

>>51995127
Yes. Man, fuck GW.

>>51994631

Humans on horseback are mammals riding mammals - you're right, it is silly.

>>51975733
Dwarfs in general and Longbeards in particular were based on this sketch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

>>51995127
The fuck kinda helmet is that guy on the left wearing?
And the armour on him and the middle guy is of the 'random plates strapped onto limbs' school.

That's a real shame because the rest is lovely.

>>51995398
Sounds like you were getting out manuevered. You were cunningly brutal but you must also be brutally cunning. Such is the way of Gork (or maybe Mork).

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>>51975801
To drive forth my enemies and hear the lamentation of their women.

>>51996682
Dang, maybe should have gotten some Boar Boyz before instead of after I stopped playing. Though those Warmachines do seem a good shout now I think about it.
Bloody loved the Boar Boys after they were update, loads of character in the boars themselves.

>>51996453
Middle guy is wearing coat-of-plates. The left dude has a Roman inspired helmet, but I'm not sure that that lowerable visor is at all functional.

>>51994722
They've already stated since before the release that it would be three standalone games with DLC for each.
Word is that the Next one is Lizards,
skaven, High and Dark elves.
While they're pricey, at the very least they're somewhat justified due to not being the reskins we saw in previous total war games.

I also hope we see Thanquol's glorious incompetence in action as a legendary lord

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>>51996808
The right guy is wearing Coat of Plates. The middle guy (sitting down) and right guy are wearing bits of strapped-on plate.
The helmet on the left guy is not based on anything I've seen outside of bad victorian illustrations and lego knights.
The helmet on the drum is a little better and could be a sallet but the hinge isn't angled so you're going to look like an idiot when you try to lower it.

I don't know, it just triggered my autism.

>>51997056
By middle guy I meant standing man without dumb helmet.

>>51992552

This image is giving me a raging halberd.

>>51995398

That Tomb King list is a common net list and one of the most fucking annoying. Not uncommon to see an 80 block of skeleton archers with Khalida's Asp. He was a bit of a bellend for using that, it's about as fun to fight as Dwarf gun-lines, but i hear the TK army book was a bit limited for good builds.

You would have probably fared better in another edition but really it depends on the opponent. If he's using the net list equivalent of that edition then no wargame will be fun.

>>51994359
Try Pinterest, most of the WAR art is there.

>>51994486
Yes. The fireproof Gem is mandatory. Ignore magic weapons unless its Skab.

>>51994532
High Elves. Lizzies can in theory side woth anyone who serves the plans of the Old Ones, or it helps protect Albion. But Lizzies in existing fluff never allied with anyone, just helping Elves from afar and otherwise repelling unwitting invaders to Lustria.

Or Amazons, they're buddies with Lizzies. You can buy Freebooter's Fate Amazons as proxies.

>>51997496
TK was so limited there really was only four viable builds at all and three of them needed the Archerfest. The fourth was full Chariots.

ET Nagash fixed the problem, months before the death of the game.

>there are people in this general promoting Age of Reckoning
>owned by EA
>already has microtransactions
does EA own the general now too?

What did he mean by this?

Why didn't Rick priestly save Warhammer?

>this is the only thread on 4chan that actively mentions Return of Reckoning
>all discussion of it is actively repressed despite it being in the copypasta
really fires the neurons

What the actual duck did he mean by this?

>>51988514

Really wish that they had done more with Bretonnia. After the DLC pack, it's really sparked up some love for them. The whole knight-in-shining-armour angle is desperately needed in WHFB, even if they are cunts to the peasantry.

> Troubadour
Hero that buffs/debuffs with various songs
> Hermit Knight
Hero on foot with Scout and Stubborn
> Brigands
Special scout unit with a merry-men, stand-and-deliver rule
> Black Knights
Bastard sons, cowards and fools, who have had their honour taken and their horses seized. Foot knights with a desperation-angle and excel at storming buildings.
> Sacred Site
Terrain piece that is deployed anywhere in your table half. Buffs nearby units, comes with a guardian.
> Fey Spirits
Ethereal, returned sons of Bretonnia

Loads of scope.

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>>51998127
Who's dick do I have to suck to get Tristan le Troubadour as a hero?

Hey guys, are there any gladiators in warhammer?

>>51998920
Yeah, Ogres invented it but it's spewed to the empire at least. From pub pit brawls to matches with prestige.

>>51974905
>tfw running 4 blocks of 30 peasant bowmen
>tfw rolling shovelfuls of dice in the Shooting phase
>tfw the Knights get to fight massively depleted units and steamroll them
>tfw everything still goes to shit if I'm outflanked

>>51998920
Yup. Pit Fighter is even a career in WFRP 2e.

>>51976189
>he uses gunpowder
merde alors look at this fucking peasant

>>51997809
We play all Warhammer Games. Unlike /v/ we don't give a shit about "ethics" since we aren't hypocritical due to rampant piracy of sourcebooks.

Also, if we hated microtransactions we never would have spent $50 for ten 1 inch plastic toys unpainted and needing to be assembled from sprues.
>>51997835
He tried. Repeatedly.

He was told to GTFO each time. Fuck, he only created the LotR game to show GW his way (skirmish, small armies) was better, and they gently shoved him out when it got big and made it their way (large armies, large box sets).

>>51997871
There's a difference between repressed and us just not caring. You wanna talk about it, go ahead.

>>51999207
If they had wanted to change Warhammer Fantasy, all they needed to do was use LotR as a basis to make it a skirmish game. Fuck, they'd already done that basically with Mordheim.

>>51999526
That's the point.
RP was against large armies or large kits. GW wanted both.

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>>51994359
Got you covered, my man.

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>>52000659

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>>52000659
Adrian Smith and Karl Kopinski are the best Warhammer artists.

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>>52000688
I really dig Paul Dainton too.

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>>52000705
>dwarf goes to the steampunk convention
At least he has not top hat.

I'm actually kind of interested in Ye Olde Bretonnia from back when it was LET THEM EAT CAKE instead of Arthurian. Might use it for inspiration as regards a homebrew setting for some Pathfinder stuff I'm doing, too. What old books and magazines - or websites - shuold I look into for info on it? I think it was like the middle of 3rd edition or whatever when they retconned them to being Arthurian? I know in the 3rd edition rulebook Bretonnia is still a send up of pre-revolutionary France.

>>52000835
I'm working on a not!Warhammer setting for Zweihander so I would also be interested in this.

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>>52000835
I'm afraid I'm not at all sure. I know there was an odd middle point where Bretonnia seemed to have a mix of the older lore and the newer lore - the Sun King was the father of Leoun Leonceour, stuff like that. Lexicanum says that it completely abandoned the ideas of older Bretonnian lore around 4th edition, but kept some of it in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, so either of those might be a good place to look.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bretonnia_(outdated)

>>52001367
GW drastically altered the lore from 4 to 5e because they shifted focus from Brets to Empire as the main character humans of the setting.

>>52001414
And every edition since they did everything they could to keep Brets in the background, as a shadow of a second fiddle.

But seriously, even though what you said is more than likely true - that was long before I got into the hobby - I'm not sure how drastically it affected the lore, or how long the older lore lingered on before being replaced completely. Did they retcon most of it to Arthurian knights, with vague bits of the old Bourbon theme, and then quietly wipe out the last of those when no one was looking?

>>52001367
In WFRP source book for Bretonnia they combine elements of old and new Bretonnian lore. It's pretty good. The nobility is just as exploitative and deluded as in the old lore, and the whole Arthurian chivalric lifestyle is just a way of legitimizing their rule.

>>52001573
Brets didn't sell that well because GW was far from the only ones making knights. But Empire at the time was niche as fuck.

So they took from Brets what sold and gave to Empire exclusively, namely the cannons. Then put every McGuffin there and gave them all the allies.

Brets went from the best of humanity to being just backwards men controlled by an Elf and Empire went from the Imperium without the excuse of the Emperor and Heresy for being shit to being valiant heroes standing against a daily apocalypse.

Like Beastmen, Brets suffered when GW split them into two armies and decided the other parts are far more important. That's not even going into how every kill everything button that Chaos needs is inside the Empire.

Anyone here played any dedicated Tome of Corruption campaigns? How did it go?

Thinking of running something myself with each player picking one of the four gods, no idea how I can get a Slaanesh player though that doesn't make everything awkward.

>>52002308
Slaanesh is a god of excess, not just fucking. Don't the chaos gods, and to an extent the followers, hate the rival god?

>>52002376
>Slaanesh is a god of excess, not just fucking

So what, like rocking out and eating? A morbidly obese slaanesh worshipper would be quite interesting.

>Don't the chaos gods, and to an extent the followers, hate the rival god?

Oh yeah definitely, but the concept is cool so who gives a fuck.

>>52002406
>So what, like rocking out and eating?
And also what they are advertised as (sex, drugs, rock, and roll.

>>52002406
I've always felt Slaanesh would be best represented by Hellraiser. That idea of excess and of pain and pleasure being indivisible. Sensation. Noise Marines from 40k are, in my opinion, the best example of Slaanesh. Excess. Whatever you do, you do an excessive degree. No more music, only LOUD. No more food, only FEASTS. No more sex, only ORGIES.

Nurgle is lethargy and apathy, but Slaanesh is GOTTAGOFAST and GOTTABETHEVERYBESTLIKENOONEEVERWAS.

>>52002473
That's a good observation, how would you see that applying to RP situations?

Say for example the party has to enter a fortified camp full of enemies. The khorne worshipper challengers the occupants to combat before slaughtering their way through, the Tzeench worshipper schemes a convoluted plot that has the camp infight and break apart, not even noticing the worshipper enter, and the Nurgle worshipper spreads a deadly contagion into the camp, weakening and killing many so that he can simply stroll in.

How would the Slaanesh worshipper do it?

>>52002590
Slaanesh worshiper would seduce the guards.

>>52002590
Seduce a guard or person in the camp in general to open a gate and let them in, charm them into accepting them as friends, give them gifts of poisoned wine and fine foods, get a bunch of nearby locals hopped up on forest drugs to throw at the fortified camp as a distraction...

>>52002590
I'm the (you) you quotes. I'd say the Slaaneshi would do it in one of a few ways.
They might, as others have noted, simply seduce or charm the guards. I don't think they'd bribe, that seems more Tzeentchi, while poison seems more Nurgle's speed. In fact, I think some Slaaneshi might honestly be offended on a religious level by poisoned food/wine. Besides seduction, I think they might do it with brilliant tactics and strategy. The art of war at its most artful. When Slaanesh cultists fight, I see it as a thing of terrible beauty and grace, or as something so feral and orgaistic it resembles rape more than a regular fight. But yeah, excess. Even excess at arms. The Slaanesh cultist who devotes themselves to war devotes themselves to being the most artistic and perfect warrior ever. Khorne is BLOOD AND THUNDER, but Slaanesh is the *art* of war. The duelist's rapier to the axe of Khorne.

>>52002406
Slaanesh is also extreme pride. Which I think is the single most important thing to him since every character of his in lore are prideful bastards.

Ignorant arrogance like Sigvald or haughty overconfidence like Morathi. They're entitled cunts.

>>51997524

Holy shit, how have I never heard of Freebooter's Amazons? Lovely models, the faces look a tad horsey but I'm sure paint can fix that.

>>52002978
So if we were using the situation of the hostile camp in >>52002590. The Slaanesh worshipper would declare themselves before the camp as the greatest at a particular task, and then challenge the enemy to beat them at such a task, sealing their own doom?

>>51997809

Can you fuck off with your copy paste bullshit you fucking AoS shill. Here's a fun fact for you, AoS will never have a video game because nobody could ever give a shit about that steaming pile of garbage.

>>52003011
The guy who does a lot of work for Reaper works for them. Freebooter is 10/10. Brotherhood is great for Mordheim, and the Goblin Pirates are just great. According to 1d4 the best use is Pirates for Rogue Trader, but I dunno about that.

>>52003012
More like duel the enemy like Errol Flynn. Taunting constantly.

>>52002406
Excess also includes striving toward perfection, especially if it's detrimental to something else. As such Slaanesh is basically opposing moderation. A monk who dedicates his life to silent contemplation is just as likely to fall to Slaanesh as the most hedonistic and sexueallally perverted nobleman.

>>52003491
Yeah. This is what I have been saying, basically.
In the modern world, Slaaneshi cultists would include stamp collectors and other autists.

>>52003591
>Slaanesh rewards stamp collector by placing him in a realm where it continually rains unique stamp

>>52002590
The Slaaneshi champion could go about it in a myriad of ways. For instance:

Challenge the fortress('s champion) to a duel. The winner gets the McGuffin.

Bribe the garrison.

Send the fortress garrison a delivery of strong vines and good food under the guise of it being a bonus from their boss. Make sure that the champion's warband/whatever is disguised as servants, prostitutes and cooks. Then when the defenders are drunk and gorged let the massacre begin.

Overawe the defenders with a proper show of force.

Just straight up assault/lay siege to the place. Sell the survivors into slavery.

Sleep your way to the McGuffin.

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>>52003638
Wouldn't that soon become torture?

>>52003690
Fortress, fortified camp, it's all good.

>>52002951
I think Slaanesh followers would enjoy the pleasure of watching someone's face go from delight at his delicious food, to an expression of horror as he slowly starts dying.

It's only vaguely related, but I remember a short story where a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh was disappointed that a daemonette had killed the man he'd been stringing around for decades to do his bidding - not because he wanted him alive, but because he wanted the daemonette to wait a moment so he could realize exactly what was going to happen to him.

There was another short story where I got the idea for drug addled crazy fighters to act as a distraction, but that one also keeps on going on about voluptuous breasts and has a lot of sexual under and overtones.

>>52002590


Also similar to what I wrote in >>52003690
it would also be in the Nurgle champion's character to use the threat of annihilation through a show of force to get the McGuffin.
Nurgle is after all a god of Despair.

>>52002406
>So what, like rocking out and eating? A morbidly obese slaanesh worshipper would be quite interesting.

Excess in ANYTHING. Artists are frequently lured by Slaaneshi daemons as muses, for example. Some are obsessed with beauty. One could have a Slaaneshi who sought to collect rare objects and artificially make them rarer by destroying others of their sort - or maybe do the same thing with people. One could imagine a Slaaneshi duelist, utterly overtaken with his need to have perfect form, to kill in the absolute minimum of moves, to make it as painful as possible...or perhaps to always kill a foe before they even had time to realize they were dead.

Sex and drugs is fine, despite what the whingers say. But you can do way more with Slaanesh than daemon girls with girthy ribbed cocks.

>>52003724
Then torture becomes pleasure.

That's Slaanesh, baby.

>>52002590
Pose as a traveling wine merchant. Allow themselves to be 'captured' and 'robbed.' Cavort with his/her victims as his/her tainted wine drives the camp into a debauched, reeling stupor, then open the gates for his/her buddies so they can get in on the revel.

>>52003913
>I can only get hard by the unbearable torment that is having rare stamps rain down upon me for eternity.
Found my new fetish.

What does your average skaven player looks like?
What does your average bretonnia player looks like?

Speaking of the Brets, so we all know what became of Giles, but what about the other Grail Companions? Were they buried and if so where are their tombs? Are they still kicking around as Grail Knights, and if so are they doing so secretly like the Green Knight, or are their identities known?

Seems like fertile ground for WHFRP shit.

>>52004248
Pretty sure Giles is the Green Knight.

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>>52004244
>average skaven player

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>>52004244
pic related loves bretonnia.

>>52004450
Well he is hobby-nobility

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>>52004244
>average bretonnia player

>>51997835

He did try but he got sick of GW's bullshit. Kirby told him to his face to 'piss off' on one occasion. He hated how corporate it had all become, so in 2010 he left which was the year 8th edition came out. He probably saw first hand how quickly it would kill the game and just wanted out. He couldn't have saved the game, by the mid to late 00's he didn't have that much power anymore. He had been marginalised. A part of me believes this was why 8th was the last edition. They always had a but of a vendetta against Priestly since he represented the last bastion of the 'good old days'. Scrapping Warhammer was probably their was of gutting the last of Priestlyism.

>>52004244
Well, I only have myself an an Italian guy who introduced me to Bretonnians. So they're either bald or have brown hair and a beard.

>>52004248
I know Giles had descendants - Bohemond Beastslayer is one. Agilgar of Parravon fell to his death in the Grey Mountains after he was attacked by a pair of Wyverns. Otherwise, not much is said of the Grail Companions afterwards, as far as I know. I can assume they aren't still alive, otherwise they'd probably still be leading their duchies today.

>>51998920

Yes, they had a warband in Mordheim. They appeared to be Roman in aesthetics.

>>51999207

Well Priestly didn't really develop the SBG, that was 70% Alessio Cavatore.

Priestly always just wanted concise and precise games that were quick to play (ie. about 2 hours).

If you look at Hail Caesar, Black Powder and Kings of War, that was probably the route a Priestly 9th edition would have went. But Priestly was also a fan of stratified games and probably would have kept Warmaster, skirmish games and Man O' War.

>>52004450
he didn't thin his meth

>>52004248
Landuin died of a mysterious wasting illness. No one knows where he was buried.

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>>52004692
Cover thy hair!

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>>52005331
>the unshaven peasant shoves a hand-drawn map into your hand, pointing a grubby finger at it and saying he'll take you to it for twelve coppers

>>52003724
In Slaanesh's way, it'd go into the why and what of the collector.

In theory, he'd maintain Slaanesh's stamps and pursue postmen across every realm, causing fevered dreams of Mickey Mouse Ultramarine tributes then lay siege to Terra and collect them. Monitoring the trade routes of Marienburg and manipulate Slaanesh cultists into opening a portal so he can nab a book of authentic one of a kind postman's stampers and a book of recipets detailing the history of the city.

Other collectors would be drawn into his realm, their minds shattering trying to fathom the completeness of an infinite collection including stamps that mever were and a condition far exceeding "pristine".

>>52005372
>peasant
>capable of reading or writing
>traveled enough to create a map

Seems legit.

>>52005521
'Asinine collection' would actually be a FANTASTIC motivation for a Slaaneshi mid-tier BBEG. Horribly murdering allies, attacking innocents to collect some ridiculous, worthless thing.

>>51994532
I love amidst all the mayhem, the chaos warrior in the center is just strolling up the stairs like an alpha to duel a fucking dinosaur.

I'm sure this has been asked before, but after the success of Total War Warhammer do you guys think there's any chance of Fantasy coming back?

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>>52007436

It's dead, Jim. Let it go.

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>>52007436
No, never officially, but it might revitalize interest from those who enjoy Warhammer Fantasy.

I play the new Bretonnia expansion, and I love it, but it just makes me want to paint up my models instead of working with the semi-generic unit models they give me, make my own thing.

>>52002406

An anon once explained it here in a way I found helpful, I'll try to paraphrase.

>If a warrior trains solely to spill blood and destroy his enemies, this pleases Khorne
>If a warrior trains to be the best, for the sake of being the best, this pleases Slaanesh
I think the analogy can (sort of) be extended
>If a warrior says fuck training and tries to cause misery and death through any means, this pleases Nurgle
>If a warrior trains for some convoluted higher purpose just as planned shit, this pleases Tzeentch

Or alternatively
>Becoming a good public orator so you can [accomplish some plan] catches the eye of Tzeentch, but becoming a good public orator for the sake of pride and fame attracts Slaanesh

>>51975258
Skaven life and politics simulator.
Maybe multiplayer, maybe not.
>Start skavenslave
>meet your warpstone quota to not starve/get eaten
>undermine inspection platform
>overseer plummets into the gloom
>use knowledge of mines to loot shiny weapon from his corpse
>use shiny weapon on overseer's replacement to take his job
>skim the till and deal warpstone on the side to a rival clan behind closed doors
>use money to hire assassins for minor low level political intrigue
>murder assassins to keep them from ratting you out
>keep climbing the ladder
>get shanked in a food riot because you were pushing skavenslaves even beyond what they would tolerate

>high score, start over
>alternate route through the ranks
etc.

Probably assassin's creed/prince of persia sorta interaction with the world, maybe psuedo-overlord/pikmin stuff for controlling the muck beneath you

Some character building along the way, but mostly through what loot you can get

>>52003027
>Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning
>Released 2008
>"It must be an AoS game, because it has 'Age of' in its title!"

>>51997809
EA doesn't support Age of Reckoning anymore, the only thing keeping that game alive now is a private server.

It must be extremely painful for both of you, having to live your lives with such ignorance.

>friend wants to play warhammer total war
>him wood elves and me brets
>picking a hero
>looking at their units
>the king is looking pretty cool with all those hard ass knights
>fay enchantress
>blessed field trebuchet
>BLESSED
>FUCKING
>FIELD
>TREBUCHET

Carcassonne artillery is guided by the Lady!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFnYHja6R0U

>>52006048
It starts off as a murder mystery. Postmen are being killed in cities across the Empire. The guards believe that some criminal organization is attempting to intercept communications from a rival group.

They never suspect that it was the rare "Halfling Emerging from a Pie" Stirland stamps that caused the killings.

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>>52008140
>murder assassins to keep them from ratting you out
>ratting you out
>ratting

>>52004244
I play both, what does that make me?

>>52007470
Stop giving me (You)'s for this, I don't deserve them.

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>>52009787
This actually sounds pretty good.

>>52008140
I'd love to play this game!

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>>52008131
>If a warrior says fuck training and tries to cause misery and death through any means, this pleases Nurgle
This doesn't seem that accurate to me desu. One of the most efficent ways to spread disease and famine is by warfare which in turn generates an awful amount of despair. Warfare, just as a forest fire is also a good way to 'fertiles' a realm which allows for new lifeforms to flourish. A follower of Nurgle is thus doing his god's work if he applies himself in his training so that he can become an even more dreaded fighter and thus prolong the mayhem that is war.

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>>52010639
MFW I just realised that weaponised rape is a Nurgle tool.

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Can anybody do me a solid and tell me which WFRP books cover details about the witch hunters, their powers, and the limits governing them?

>>52010917
Realms of Sorcery, Tome of Corruption and Night's Dark Masters all have material.

>>52011136
Thank you.

>>52010557
>>52008140
Pirate CK2
Download Geheimnisnacht
Play as Skaven

Best you can hope for.

>>51995398

Tomb Kings get rekt hard by your warmachines, and you can field a ridicolus amount of them.

Chariot will find themselves chainspeared by your bolt thrower (which are actaully cheaper than their chariots), both types of lobbas melt their average troops like butter, and fanatics are just overkill against them.

Truly, apart from a good old elite block, there are not much reasons to play orcs, goblins are vastly superior in every aspect

One of my mates and I are looking at getting into Fantasy, even if it's a bit late. What's the best edition to play? I remember hearing everyone loved 6th the most out of the Games Workshop ones, but I also heard good things about the 9th Age

>steamroll the entire fucking game as Bretonnia.
>Can't beat the errantry war battle against chaos.

What are you even supposed to fucking do?

I'm always so depleted by the point of the dragon ogres arriving that all I can do is dispatch them with arrows and then get fucked by the subsequent birdman.

>>52005357
She's a damsel sir, it's okay.

>>51998253
Le Troubadour is a possible title, and Tristan is a possible name for Lords.

So theoretically you could get a randomly generated guy called Tristan Le Troubadour.

You can also get Jongleur (Juggler)

Interesting plot hooks for dwarves in wfrp2ed?

>>52012196
Your great-great-great-great-great grandfather once struck gold and made a mine, which he had to abandon when he was called to do war.

You don't know its exact location, but you know it's somewhere between Zhufbar and the Moot.

>>51995046
>Implying any true Bretonnian would sully a true lady's dignity by forcing her to expose himself.
>Implying any true Bretonnian would touch a peasant with his mouth.

>>52012237
Anything else with that idea? That's a great idea.

>>52012196
The characters are dwares or just ist should include some dwarves?

>>52012252
>Himself.

I meant herself, but obviously now there's Bretonnian traps.

>>52012284
The characters are

>>52012261
Your great-great-great-great-great grandfather was slain in a duel against a petty nobleman of the Empire.
That's a grudgin'.jpg

Your great-great-great-great-great grandfather was once short-changed by a copper. The trader's house have now risen to promince in Tilea and rules a small city state.
That's a grudgin'.jpg

Your great-great-great-great-great grandfather died in battle before he could recieve his pay.
That's a grudgin'.jpg

Your great-great-great-great-great grandfather was taken as a slave by Skavens when his Hold fell.
That's a grudgin'.jpg

>>52012387
Great ideas thanks

>>52012310
Let them walk through a human city.
Sooner or later they get offended by something and kickstart their own plot.

>>52012261
I mean of course there's the general problems of your family not being members of the gold miner's guild.

If you wish to claim the rights you must give them their due, oh but they have a favor or two you can do for them instead.

Local human constabulary (Who look and smell a bit ill) don't honor your rights to the mine, and you must convince them that wronging a dawi may not be the smartest move. (Or, there's a favor they want you to do)

Something has moved into the mine.
The nearby villagers say no one has come out alive for a hundred years.

So after such time... How is Age of Sigmar? Both gameplay wise and lorewise

>>52007436

Too early to say. I think AoS was a key decision in Kirby stepping down, so it was obviously a controversial decision in the company.

If Mordheim is set in the original setting, then I say there's a chance of FW maybe releasing some Horus Heresy style content for Fantasy. If it's switched to AoS like Warhammer Quest was, then I think GW is going all in and Fantasy will only get a look out in video games.

>>52007804

Are they yours? They look good. I would get a better movement tray though, GW's modular ones were terrible.

>>52012700
Maybe ask the age of sigmar thread?

>>52002590
Wrong. They would all just kill them. There is no need to put effort into this short-term goal.

>>52012145
Is there a list of the possible titles?

>>52012387
Dunno if the duel one word invoke a grudge if the duel was legitimate and honorable.

>>52012700
Gamewise: mediocre skirmish game inferior to Mordheim or the LotR game.

Lorewise: utter dumpster fire. Even AoS shills will try to deflect from this by stuttering that you can just play in the Old World if it bothers you.

>>52012829
I see, thanks... I was wondering of playing it as I heard it is faster than WFB used to be (And I played a lot of it back in the day) but lore is really putting me away from even trying it

>>52011904

It's never too late to get into Warhammer Fantasy. Which edition you should play is a hard question to answer because it's totally down to your own taste. Since you're starting with a friend, it's going to have to be a joint decision.

6th edition was a smaller game and less magically focused. However, you're missing out on some of the cool 8th edition units and the later army books were a bit unbalanced.

8th edition had the magic mega spells and focused on large blocks of troops. Had a lot of unit variety and I think the core rules were good but some books have limited competitive builds, this shouldn't bother you though, as long as you don't net-list too hard.

T9A is basically a modified 8th, it still suffers from needing large blocks of men but has opened each faction to having multiple good builds. Also, it has a very active community who play regularly.

Kings of War is a really fast and tight rule-set. Each regiment acts are a collective and they live or die as a whole unit, not individuals. You don't need as many models to play and it's still an active game.

>>52012758
What if taking the fort is their one and only goal?

>>52013282
Why would they need enemies inside their fort?

>>52002590
Seduce the fort commander. Problem solved.

>>52012145
>when you get a Lord with good stats that you really like and level him up a bit, but he dies in a battle he had no chance of winning

>>52013602
>Have level 10 Lord of the empire who has all the good shit.
>Take region.
>Neighbouring dwarves declare war out of nowhere on behest of the vampires and kills my guy.

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>>52013779
>dwarves declare war on behest of the vampires

Someone get me my pen and my Grudgin' book.

>>52013991
I'm sorry, do you mean this to be about Age of Sigmar? Because there is an Age of Sigmar thread, and this is the Warhammer Fantasy thread.

>>52013991
>Age of Smegmar
Get the fuck out.

>>52014007

Oh shit sorry I didnt get that....apologies.

>>52014064
Honest mistake. Hope you have fun with AoS where I can't.

>>52013870
The AI gets retarded on anything over Normal.

>>52014581
I haven't actually tried playing it over Normal yet. What goes crazy?

>>52014654
It isn't as ridiculous as he says.
On VH the main thing you'll notice the AI being far, far less willing to even trade with you. But they don't backstab you noticeably more and aren't much more aggressive.

The main things to consider in VH/Legendary are the public order maluses, so you kinda NEED a public order building everywhere. The problem is compounded further if you're vamps because you get negative public order for not having properly corrupted a new conquest yet.

If VH and not Legendary(the same thing by the way, Legendary just has ironman saves and realistic camera no pause battles), you can change the battle difficulty slider as well.
Which I would recommend, as it feels really arbitrary as artificial difficulty.
Like empire troops having morale close to chaos warriors just because difficulty, and the AI winning a zombie vs zombie engagement because they crumble so much later in the fight.

Though the battle difficulty slider was bugged and wouldn't work before the Bretonnia update. Which I haven't played yet. Hopefully it is fixed.

Probably the most memery you'll see of AI interactions on hard difficulty is playing as Empire and having the local greenskin nomad tribe bribe middenland into declaring war on you before they're wiped off the face of the old world.

>>52014654
They want war, and they don't care about logic.

Which means you'll often have enemies declaring war on you from across the map, going through the territory of like 5 other guys just to get to you.

This has been a thing since Shogun 2, but it got really bad in Attila, and in Warhammer it becomes silly because of the races involved.

>>52014830
>Probably the most memery you'll see of AI interactions on hard difficulty is playing as Empire and having the local greenskin nomad tribe bribe middenland into declaring war on you before they're wiped off the face of the old world.

I've had Greenskin pull dwarves on me several times.

>>52015425
Stunties are naturally treacherous creatures so this is of less note.

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If you had to try and fluff out a cavalry unit for dwarves, what would you go with?

>>52016030
Dwarf motorcycles

>>52016030
GOATS
O
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T
S

>>52016030
War-wagons, but they look more like Old West covered wagons

>>52016030
Goats used for heavy transportation now used as heavy shock cavalry.

>>52016030
Huge war chariots pulled by horses or rams, fitted with wheel blades and a stand-mounted repeater gun at the back. One dwarf drives, one shoots.

>>52010917
The Witch Hunters handbook is a good source for this.

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>>52016030
a Da Vincian war machine drawn by Ponies.

>>52016256
>ponies
>not yaks, goats, or other beasts

>>52016322
the only beasts of burden mentioned to be used by them was Ponies. And maybe Oxen.

Why isn't there a WFRP isometric RPG yet?

I keep trying to play Pillars of Eternity but the setting and characters are so bland that I lose interest.

>>52016860
Would you want to?
All the good writers of CRPGs left the business, died, or started believing their own hype and became crap.

Plus all the new writers who came in to the genre are all ass.
I legitimately cannot think of a well written RPG to come, except The Witcher 2 and 3,in like 10 years.

That's not to say taht there hasn't been games with great writing, they just haven't been RPGs.

>>52016030
MOUNTAIN GOATS

>>52016030
Just reclassify Thorgrim really.

I mean he's essentially already riding a chariot.

>>52017012
>started believing their own hype and became crap.
every goddamn fucking time

Shadowrun Returns: Dragonfall was quite decently written.

>>52017012
If it was a strict adaptation of some of the quest and campaign supplements that exist for WFRP 1st and 2nd edition, it couldn't go too far wrong, right?

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>>52017048
>Dwarven cavalry is just dwarves running really fast while other dwarves ride on them

>>52017085
Real talk, back when I was a wee lad getting introduced to the system, that was totally how I thought it worked.

Where can I find WFRP 1st ed material? I already have a lot of WFRP 2nd ed stuff.

>>52012804
It's not the death itself but the martial prowess of your line that has been shamed.

>>52016030
Pony cataphracts or what >>52016190
said.

>>52016030

I think Dwarfs not having cavalry is kind of their thing. They only really fight in two areas, on mountains or under them. Neither are really suited to cavalry. This is probably why they skipped on the steam tanks, no use in either environment, a gyrocopter is really handy in getting across mountains quickly.

What's the dirt on Karl Franz? It seems everybody has a major character flaw except Karl.

>>52018189
He is a mortal human.

>>52018221
elf pls go

>>52018189

He needs to earn respect, Todbringer doesn't acknowledged his legitimacy.

>>52018189
He's arrogant, demanding respect he hasn't earned.

Of course since the end times fluff happened that's not really relevant any more. Now his main flaw is being super fucking dead.

>>52016860
>>52017012

Good time for isometric RPG's, hasn't been this many since their heyday in the 1990's. Problem is video games are infested with SJW quite thoroughly now. They would not faithfully adapt the Fantasy setting.

>>52018236
Hey fuck you, I'm not insulting anyone here.
Humans are the greatest race in the setting. Though I prefer the Egyptian variants.

I was being serious though, I've only read his fluff in the end times, where his only real flaw is finding himself in a fight with a superior enemy and him simply being an extremely talented mortal human ends up spelling his loss.

>>52018287
>Elective monarchy
>it's not legitimate if we don't win
When it comes to Middenheim, Archaon did nothing wrong.

>>52018189

In the older lore he was seen as a bit of a tyrant. He seems to have mellowed out a bit but I think he's still seen as harsh but fair. He'd burn a village to the ground if it meant it helped the Empire as a whole.

>>52018353
He's got a magic hammer, and a griffon, and that's about it. Otherwise he's about as likely to die as any Empire Captain - he's not even Leoun with his Grail Knight powers. Even a puny Orc Warlord is physically stronger than he is.

>>52018411
Sigmars possess him from time to time.

>>52018397
I like to think of him as being Cesare Borgia as perceived by Machiavelli.

>>52018443
I mean he's more like the Sun King but instead of intrigue and useful splendor he has a hammer.

>>52018395

In theory, really it's down to how many palms you can grease. Franz > Todbringer's cock sucking ability.

>>52018411
Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying.
He doesn't really have any flaws but he doesn't stand out from characters in the other races.
His flaw is his attachment to the perpetually sinking ship which is the Empire and his own natural capabilities.

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>>52018133
wouldn't a different take on the steam tank be of tremendous value for tunnel-fighting? Having a motorised steel wall covered in sharp blades with arrow slits/mounted siege weapons seems like a efficient way to cleanse the underways from invaders.

https://youtu.be/EIDUGZpaSHo?t=1m44s

>>52019381
No idea why the link doesn't start at 1:44 as I told it to.

>>52019381
I mean I didn't think about it too much prior to the total war game, but my mind is set on that aesthetic now: In that most of the dwarvern passages are pretty fucking large. Large enough to pass several such constructions through, making them unviable to be cleared unopposed.
I would assume that skaven tunnels are far more ramshackle, tight paths. But when can stunties afford to go on the offensive?

>>52019381

When she falls down the tunnel and all the hands are fondling a 16 year old, that film always gave me strange feelings.

Well, if the tank fit perfectly then I suppose but that job can also be done by the Dwarf Goblin Hewer. The chances of it fitting perfectly are pretty slim as well, like a tank in an urban environment it would be very vulnerable to attacks from every direction.

What's more likely to happen is it gets stuck by debris and Goblins/Skaven clamber all over it and prise the top hatch open, killing everyone inside.

It would also be pretty easy to just collapse rocks onto it.

> SCREAMING
> WITH ROCKS

>>51975258
>spend the entire treasury on creating a dragon age style game set in the warhammer universe with a pseudo open world and large variety of possible backgrounds and highly developed voiced and romanceable companions
after ulthuans treasury is emptied betray the now decrepit kingdom to its rightful ruler the witch king

>>51988474

helmets are very important in mordheim, preventing stunned effects.

pistols are a luxury. bows (if you can take them) are your friend

in short, avoid light armor and pistol, max out helmets

nurgle's rot will help you lose friends

nurglings are fun!

>>52019487

While I imagine many large caverns exist this is probably more a limitation of TW:W. I would bet 90% are small 5 to 10 men abreast caves.

On this note, I have to say the fucking underground sieges in that game look like total (war) shit. The Dwarf walls should go all the way to the roof of the cave. What the fuck would be the point of building a wall underground?

>>52019553
Oh for damn sure It's a creative liberty taken to avoid any actual work on map design.
And yeah the underground sieges are trash.
But then all sieges are trash.
Thank god we got custom maps on the campaign.

The only issue is making a good map and somehow having the retarded AI properly recognize what is going on.

>>52019538
Better definitely specify DA:O rather than just DA there my dude.
What starts should there be?
What brings all the starts together?
What do you want to stick your dick in?

>>52019553
yeah I don't consider it anything beyond gameplay necessity either. it's just an underground flavoured siege map.

The whole point of having cities underground is for them to be difficult to attack. Many lower tunnels and passages shouldn't be wider than 4 dwarfs and higher than two dwarfs.

That's how even a relative low number of ironbreakers can hold off the vast numbers of skaven and goblins that attack from below.

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>>52019599

I could live with the large caverns for pitched battles since A) it's called total war not total skirmish and B) fighting a pitched battle in the only space available would probably come naturally.

But the Dwarf settlements underground look awful. I think everyone can agree they should have looked like picture related.

I can't fault them too much though, probably more work in the DLC they've made than the entirety of TW:R2.

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>>52019487
>>52019492

Think of it less like in the video I included (that was just to give you a general idea/feel for what I was trying to say) and more like a motorized phalanx. With support that provides flank-protection it would surely be able to mow down vast amounts of foes while being nigh-unstoppable from the front.

>What's more likely to happen is it gets stuck by debris and Goblins/Skaven clamber all over it and prise the top hatch open, killing everyone inside.

I agree that the debris problem is the main draw-back with such a machine.

Having a couple of heavily armoured soldiers on top of it (similar to men on a fortress wall) would decrease the success-chance of any climbing attempts and further magnify the machines function as a mobile and deadly rampart.

>>52019492
>When she falls down the tunnel and all the hands are fondling a 16 year old, that film always gave me strange feelings.
FINE. I'll bite.
What scene?

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>>52019685

Hmmm. If we got a 9th edition a Dwarf Tunnel Clearer that looked like the Marienburg landship with Dwarfs on top would have been pretty cool.

Like the CD skullcracker but with a platform on. Still, the Skaven could just throw a bomb underneath it.

>>52019728

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQUeK7nYxBQ

Somewhere in that scene.

>>52019799
cheers big ears

>>52019540
Thanks for the pointers!
Seems like I should reconsider including some helmets in my warband.

The reason I went with Pistol + Morning Star on my leader is because I reasoned that the first round melee-threat that setup provides would scare away the biggest dangers against him. Is this flawed reasoning?

I included the light armour on my tank because I wanted him beefer and it seemed cheaper than going for an additional blessing. Should I leave him as is, remove the light armour or exchange it for an additional gift? Perhaps a fourth option is even better?

I've been unsure about whether I should include the Nurgle's rot or not (everything I've read on the internet about it just screams fun-killer) even though the guys who asked if I wanted to join in on some mordheim specificly mentioned Nurgle's Rot as a selling point for the pick (most important was however the fact that I already play a mono-nurgle list in 8th ed.).
That being said I'll definately bring the concern up when we get together and will be prepared with a sans-nurgle's rot list.

>>52019745
This combined with a armoured shell/front wall is pretty much what I was going for.

And yeah the skaven could just throw a bomb underneath it but that can be said about pretty much anything and it would also necessitate that a skaven got close enough without dying to do that. It feels like the in-built fire-power and the swirling blades of the construct would take care of that threat as best as possible.

>>52018189
Karl-Franz is, in later lore, the once-in-several-generations type of leader. So, in fact, is the King of Bretonnia, who is so exceptional the Lady of the Lake reportedly gave him a cheeky kiss and more power than any of her other Grail Knights.

If we use Magnus as the last example of a true paragon Emperor, then perhaps Karl-Franz's weakness is also a desire to touch vampire butts.

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>>52020028
>Karl-Franz's weakness is also a desire to touch vampire butts.
Can't blame him for that.

>>52019553
It might be because they need to have dwarven soldiers to man and defend the walls, instead of just trusting the walls themselves to do the job. Small openings might be good for a few lookouts, but if you want a serious defense you'd need the same battlements and towers that you would need on the surface.

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>>52020079
>you will never be their human pet

>>52019553
>While I imagine many large caverns exist this is probably more a limitation of TW:W. I would bet 90% are small 5 to 10 men abreast caves.

I agree with this speculation. The really huge hall-sized tunnels are probably limited to a few central highways between the keeps made during the time of the dwarven empire. As I figure that all tunnels are created for a specific purpose (such as ordinary travel between x and y or transporting industrial equipment down to a mine shaft) I'd suppose that there would also be a huge variety in the volume of a tunnel. The less significant a way the less effort is put into it and alot of effort in tunnel-construction is the volume.

>>52019599
more like DA:O but with some of the flashier combat in DA:I
>What starts should there be? - human witch hunter aprentice, dwarf warrior, norscan raider, exiled dark elf, high elf noble, college mage, dwarf engineer
>What brings all the starts together? the BBEG is obviously chaos, with a certain greenskin warlord in thrall
witch hunter/ college mage - unite the empire. stop chaos. be big damn heroes
dwarf warrior/ engineer - sent to aid the humans against the foes , have vendetta vs greenskins
High elf noble - exiled in disgrace to the empire to "fulfill our duty to the lesser races" (political positioning to remove you)
Dark elf- flee nagaroth to after failed coup, must now find allies and power ( not having the world taken over by chaos would also be nice - cant get your revenge if demons assrape everyone
Norscan raider- left stranded after failed raid, must now stop that treacherous usurping bastard who the real norseman is!
>What do you want to stick your dick in?
shadow warrior ( female) - feels betrayed by her fellow high elves and views them as stuck up short sighted shit, exiled over this
dwarf slayer- is slayer, are you killing big things? then hes coming with
onyx college mage (female) - sent to assist (supervise if DE or norscan) MC, family was slain in raid while she was a child - saw her father cut down before her eyes
engineer(male) - from nuln, isnt very popular back home, wonder why...
norscan raider (male) - rather enjoys the advantages of civilization, is up for hire/ enlisting since he'd rather the world remain mostly as is
High elf mage (male) - sent to assist the party ( eliminate MC if deemed necessary by his master) loyal due to being freed from slavers by his master
dark elf assassin (female) - hopes to regain favor back home by eliminating the MC, was exiled and house destroyed by rival - struck deal with the perpetrator to save it (obviously through dick and MC power you can sort everything out)

>>52019845

No worries, have fun!

Don't put a pistol on your spellcaster - unlike 8th edition you cast magic in the shooting phase, meaning that you want your guy to be casting every turn. If he gets a bad spell you can always get a pistol later on in the campaign.

A sword and helmet to ensure parrying and stun protection should suit him better.

more notes:

I'd go for cloud of flies on both the T.O's , allowing for more henchmen. -2 on to hit (combined flies and nurglings) in a combat isn't to be sniffed at.

likewise nurgle's rot is only good if you want to piss people off, and it becomes a real "white elephant" due to the way that wounds are calculated. cloud of flies is useful every game, and allows you to gain more nurglings in the early game.

mordheim rewards balanced warbands, rush tactics and early game dominance, although carnival of chaos isn't top tier