MTG Modern General

>>51962142
MM17 is a set that will benefit Legacy more than it will Modern. Calling it now.

I have no spicy tech because I will be buying staples I have been missing that have been stopping me from playing Blue in Modern. Like fetchlands and snapcaster.

>>51962142
>Opinions on MM 2017?
Still waiting on Cavern
and Rishadan Port

I'll ask until satisfied : I want to build either Goryo's or Valakut Breach. Goryo's seems more fun while Valakut seems more competitive.
Anyone with a bit of experience could give me the pros and cons of both decks ?

>>51962836
Valakut is more consistent and makes more big dumb fun plays like casting multiple primeval titans.
Goryos is more fun but is very tight, sideboarding can be very tough as you have very few flex slots.
I think Valakut is the better deck to build because it's harder to hate against and is a lot less likely to get banned.

>>51963014
I don't think Goryo's is likely to get a ban given it's an underplayed T2/3 deck and that Wotc doesn't really care about the "design space" in Modern.

Well thanks anyways, I think I'll start withValakut and then, in time, will build both as they share some cards in common. and maybe I'll try to brew a bastard child of the two replacing worldspine by primetimes in the process

>>51965409
Well that's funny.

>>51962248

I liked todays spoilers until I saw seance. Seriously, wtf this card wasnt even playable in the first set's standard or draft for that matter.

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Anyone play abzan scales? Thinking about selling naya burn for it but idk

>>51966203
WotC is putting loads of memes in the set, Craterhoof, Sphinx's Rev, Death's Shadow, along with Seance

>>51962142
>What tech do you guys have against the hottest new iteration of Death's Shadow?
Nothing. I was playing Jund and already had a playset of Death's Shadows, so I went ahead and made the deck.
I fucking love it.

>>51962142
>tree
That's actually hilarious

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>>51962142
>>Opinions on MM 2017?
i bought all those cards as chinamen fakes, i don't need to play lottery as some autist do
when will they unban top?

>>51967408
Buying fake cards that look like shit is autism bruh

Been wanting to build Grixis Control in Modern for a while: how much do you see Snapcaster and Scalding Tarn shifting with MM2017?

>>51967799
Wtf how would any of us know?

>>51967509
>le chinamen fakes are bad XDDX meme
>Spending 20$ or more on cardboard is not autism
whatever helps you sleep better faggot

>>51967509
>things I don't like are autistic
>thats why I cling to my principals so hard
anon, I have some bad news.

>>51967799
prices won't drop lower than 5 dollars

>>51967956
Tarns have already dropped about $15

>>51967838
>>51967890
What's with all the projection? I have fakes and they don't look good.

You guys need to calm er down.

>tfw playing Doran
>tfw doing well
>tfw tower defense

Fuck it I'm buying this in paper. It's fun as fuck

>>51968027
that's just a couple speculators, but the prices will go back up

>>51968029
you were being autistic while calling other things autistic
we are laughing at you because of it.

>>51968054
My nigga. Shit is so cash in this meta.
I'm torn on running leyline of sanctity in my list though.

when's the next B&R? I know they said March

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LET ME PLAY HIM WOTC

>>51968662
Not fun

>>51968778
It's fun for me

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i tried to get rid of empty space, but now i'm worried that it's too cramped.
should infect go in sonic fast or pretty fast?
Anyways, do you have any content-related suggestions before i move to aesthetics phase?

>>51968054

>Doran outside of EDH

dude that sounds fun as fuck

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what's the best deck I can play this card in

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>>51969236
>naturally dodges ensnaring bridge
>fucks with affinity
>premier removal and sideboard hate
>lingering Souls and tower defence
>4x spellskite

Hot damn I can get behind this

Would worship fuck over Death's Shadow in a super heavy creature deck?

With MM17 coming out im looking towards playing a bit of Modern. I like creature based decks and am looking toward something like Melira Company. Whats that like right now?

>>51969424
They could put you to 1 really quickly, and just wait until they draw Collective Brutality.
Of course, you're assuming you live past a retardedly huge swing on turn 3 or that worship wasn't TS'd out.

>>51962142
>tech against death shadow
Codemn, hit one shadow and you kill the rest, slows them down from playing more.

>>51967956
>prices won't drop
>>51968027
>they dropped
>>51968189
>yeah but that doesn't count

>>51969609

Prices tend to go back up a little bit. If the printrunt of MM17 is big enough that might not even happen this time

>>51969292
Esper Draw-go

>>51969292
esper control
its an entire deck built around how flexible esper charm is
its pretty ok
I think the win condition is white sun's zenith so thats pretty neat
it runs the same shell as gifts so i think its mostly a budget deck.

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I'm back

Epser charm probably isn't good but I wanted more ways to make my opponnent discard and still have it be instant

should I just have 2 LotV instead

>>51969976
You're doing it wrong.

What's a fun entry-level modern deck?

>>51970116
Emeria/Sun Titan control

>>51969306

I've got three Dorans from my days of playing Lorwyn limited, what else do I need to meme this deck up, senpai?

>>51970020
Everything or Esper Charm

cause I already know everything is wrong

>>51970203
I see that you're trying to play some off color death's shadow, which is fine. But, you forgot your Baubles to start with.

>>51970224
What would you cut for 4 bauble

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This feels like it's a couple card short of being mildly decent

>>51970391
Thoughtscour.

>>51969134
I love this.

>>51970176
I'm out now so can't post full list but you'll surely need treefolk harbinger, spellskite, tower defense, assault formation and birds/nobles
Optional chords, removal, Lagonna-Band trailblazer, siege rhinos

>>51970429
Should I keep all 4 snapcasters?

Would a one of slip through space be alright? I can't give double strike/trample but unblockable and draw sounds not bad

>>51970539
Neato, thanks. I've got the Treefolk Harbingers too. I wonder if Rootgrapple works for removal as it's like a Desert Twister that replaces itself. I've also got some Nyx-Fleece Rams which might be good...

>>51970539

so more or less this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cokZItWUFzQ

>>51970642
Yea more or less. I think the sideboard is shitty and Ajani is retarded.
Do you think going a coco route or more removal heavy is the way to go?
I feel like I should drop skill rhino but it's my modern guilty pleasure

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I can't believe I can finally get Liliana

I've waited so long

>>51970684
>mythic

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>>51962142
>What tech do you guys have against the hottest new iteration of Death's Shadow?

>>51970680

CoCo seems good to go faster, yeah. Sideboard in the video could be easily changed, More discard now that Inquisition is being reprinted should be good, maybe Heroic Intervention if your meta has a lot of boardwipes.
I'd even get fatal push if death's shadow keeps going up in popularity

>>51967055
Its a really strangely solid midrange deck. Naya burn is probably better though.

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>>51970695

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>>51970539

*thinking emoji*

>>51970116
Gw stompy, or the new multicolor burning tree revolt zoo deck

>>51970711
>fatal push
Would path not just be better? They don't have ways to utilize their lands and push doesn't deal with prime time or bigger eldrazi. I'm always torn on what to use now in wbx decks

>heroic intervention
That's something I'll try out for sure.

My issue with CoCo aside from variance is in much more comfortable when I have answers in my deck rather than creature spewage

>>51970772
Dude.

Use the innistrad trees like in the OP
Or at least I can see tree of redemption being great. Burn and other aggro decks will have alot of trouble killing you and with assault formation it can actually swing

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>>51970736

How are Treefolks not a thing?

>>51970815
Oh they will be now.
This can be our deck. We'll show them who's bad at magic!!

>>51970833

It's me. I'm bad at magic. I know it in my bones. I will forever be 2-2-1

baral or curious homunculus?

>>51970539
Main deck ensnaring bridges?
Or more of a sideboard package with LotV?

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This is all I have to contribute to death's shadow tech

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>>51970894
just run this

>>51971071
>Fatal Push
>Temur Battle Rage

>>51962142
I think I'm going to build my shitty modern miracles deck now. This will be the best time to get it all for cheap.

>>51970894

This is actually bretty gud?

>>51962142
>What tech do you guys have against the hottest new iteration of Death's Shadow?
Don't need, play Affinity.

>>51967175
Craterhoof, and Shadow being memes...

bait much?

>>51971997
Death's shadow is bad senpai, Its flavour of the month Jank.
Its just as uninteresting and dumb as it was when Git Probe was still legal.

And yes Craterhoof is a fucking meme
No one plays elves in modern, and elves is the only deck that shit like craterhoof sees play in.

>>51972160
Craterhoof is 25 dollars, why are you upset? You wanted the green miracle?

>>51972240
I'm not upset
Though If Goyf doesn't get reprinted I will very upset

>>51972160
>>51972285
>Death's Shadow shouldn't be repinted because it's uninteresting
>wants goyf

>>51972160
The mythic in the set, besides snap and lili, are there for the draft experience (TM). Not because they are used in decks

>>51972686
What about griselbrand

>>51972160
>Death's shadow is bad senpai
Disregard this post. Anon is delusional

>>51972697
They couldn't think of a better black card to put at mythic, but didn't want to use another card for Draft Experience (TM)

>>51972737
what about past in flames?

>>51972752
Draft card.

It's really fucking good in draft

When will be the right time to buy new snappies? It's around 35 buckos now, think it will fall lower post release? Also, same question about Tarns/other fetches.

>>51972998
They'll drop, they aren't played in any high tier decks. The best shell for him right now is Grixis control/delver which is barely hanging onto viability. I say they drop by 5-10 bucks immediately and trend down over the next year. It might be a twenty dollar card again.

>>51973065
>control and delver hanging on
Sure, compared to the flavor brews of the month that are eldrazi tron and DS. But otherwise both decks are pretty solid

>>51973175
you really like calling decks flavor of the month huh?

>>51973184
How are they not? Eldrazi didn't exist before the last month or two and DS wasn't even tier 2

>>51973255
DS was definitely tier 2 before. But more than that calling them flavor of the month just ignores how good they are. Decks like jeskai nahiri could barely top 8 when everyone was jumping on the bandwagon, death's shadow continues to place multiple decks in the top 8 of every event since GP Vancouver. The conversion rate of day 2 to top 8 is also extremely high.

>>51973327
It also goes to show how great DS is when wotc does bans that target it, and it only gets stronger.

>>51973470
It's not the same deck at all though. DS now is basically jund but it always has an aggressive hand and a discard spell on turn 1.

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>>51973470
We need version of this but with Deaths Shadow.

>>51970401
too much ramp not enough value imo

>>51969976
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>>51970894

I can't wait to see my opponents face when I play this jank

>>51974198

Anon you can't just put Death's Shadow in everything

>>51975235
I'll show you. I'll run Jund Burn with Deaths Shadow and Bump in the Night and beat your ass for for shits and giggles.

>>51974198
Working on it now. What should the text say?

>>51975411
hey i'm already working on it

>>51969292
thopter control

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>>51974198
>>51975543

Newboi here, what top tier deck should I buy after MM3 comes out?

>>51975829
All of them. Drop 10k on singles and buy every deck.

>>51975829
UW control
Counter everything and Sphinx's Rev for 15

>>51975829
mono red burn
With it you won't have too much trouble piloting against more experienced players with wide array of different decks and playstyles. After a while you'll get a feel for the format and what you like.

Is there a deck that has a definitive good matchup vs Death's Shadow Jund?

>>51976051
Abzan

>>51976089

Heading to states with a meme deck I want to make sure i'm ready for Death's Shadow, and the deck that beats Death's Shadow.

>>51962142
my janky tech against death's shadow.

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>>51976141
Whoops forgot the pic

>>51969134
I hate this.

>>51976051
Merfolk, Grixis, big mana decks like tron and titanshift. Dredge is likely a favorite, as they don't give a fuck about discard or removal and can murder them with a huge conflagrate.

>>51976217

I've never played against Merfolk, still newish to Modern. What makes it such a good deck? A bunch of 2 mana lords?

>>51975758
These are the memes Modern needs.

>>51976262
It's only tier 2, so it's no like it's super great in modern or anything. But yes, it makes a whole bunch of creatures, enough that spot removal alone won't stop them, while lords make each creature strong enough that they can end the game. It has a good match up against death's shadow as it can chump block to keep itself alive then go face.

>>51976289

Funny I thought the whole idea with death's shadow is chump blocking isn't going to save you.

>>51970702
>attacking creature
>Defender

>>51976334
Most decks normally aren't set up to chump block death shadow and attack the opponent for a large amount of damage, go wide decks aren't super common in modern. Also they have temur battle rage but it's usually a 2/3 of and cursecatcher can limit their use of it.

Are Bant Spirits (w/ Hierarch and CoCo) even remotely viable? Or am I better off just running UW with Cryptics and Snabcasder :D:D:D ? I need a cheap deck to play an FNM or two while I decide what to build next now that my main deck is obsolete.

>>51976382
You have third grade reading comprehension skills. Seek help.

>>51976395
CoCo is good if you wanna play the deck like FIsh with lots of lords

>>51976436
He thought someone cared about the stupid tree enough to discuss it.

>>51976395
Bant Spirits has continued to put up good to decent results

a UW version with snap/cryptic would probably also be fine, just with less explosiveness than Bant. You get to run fun stuff like Azorius Charm and Ojutai's command also

B L O O D M O O N L A D S

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>>51976508
Oh damn, I didn't think they're put it in a set with so many multi color cards

>>51976518
That and Voice of Resurgence in the same night

>>51976383

Intradesting, i'm running a wide deck myself with Judge's Familiar so maybe i'll have some success against the deck.

>>51976532
Neat, they just have to spoil cavern and everything I wanted will be reprinted

>>51976518

I came.

>>51976500
A stupid question - is it worth running some vapor snags over a set of paths?

>>51977006
if budget is your concern then sure

Is dredge linear? I'm trying to build a secondary deck that will be fun but not blue tempo out goyf deck. That's all I've been playing lately

>>51977315
Mostly yeah. Your only real interaction is conflagrate

>>51977315
dredge is very linear

you could try the new Abzan counter scales deck, machine gunning with a huge walking ballista is really fun

>>51977036
Not really - I have a set of Rebecca Guay paths. I am mostly considering Snag's application for bouncing queller

>>51977360
if you wanted to be able to bounce your own creatures you could try Familar's Ruse

>>51972160
Many elf decks do not even run hoof as ezuri and shaman of the pack are more efficient and you can easily chord/collected company them into play.

Why no love the Siege rhino? Comfiest card printed

>>51977620
Because if tapping 4 lands does not win on the spot, it's too slow.

This rule does not apply to eldrazi or tron decks

>>51977637
That's not true. What decks play four drops that win on the spot?

>>51977660
Scapeshift

>>51977660
gifts storm

>>51977736
Deck isn't that great. Cheerios tier.

>>51977665
I guess but most of the time they're just titan grabbing lands

Regardless, we're obviously talking aggro, midrange, or control, not fucking dedicated combo decks

>>51977755
nothing in your post indicates that at all

>>51977383
>>51977360
quickling seems better than ruse. more on-theme and splashable

What is the most fun abzan deck?

Midrange, wilted, company, tokens, Doran? Other?

>>51977935
company

>>51977935
Aristocrats

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I recently came up with this synergy.

Anyone have any deck ideas to put it to use in?

>>51978140
that plus mesmeric orb, pls four horsemen and get yourself disqualified from the tournament.

>>51978167
You wouldn't though. You can exile parts of your library with this version. Eventually, you can configure your library so it is only the relevant parts of the combo, greatly increasing the odds that your combo reaches the graveyard configuration you need.

>>51978304
You don't know how four horsemen works

>>51977935
Wilted by far.

>>51978304
I think they meant using the untaps to trigger the Orb.

>>51978140
Judge of Currents plus that combo is infinite life
Wake Thrasher and that is infinite sized creature
fill out your deck with Stonybrook Schoolmaster and Fallowsage and you've got a spicy bant merfolk meme deck

>>51978373
oh and pilipala

I know a store whos does tournaments and they play only modern format but ive never played magic and want to can yall help me with what modern is and what boosters and boxs are best to buy for modern format I have $2000 to spend thanks

>>51978314
Four Horsemen works by using narcomeba emrakul, sharuu, blasting station, and dread return.

You mill your deck until the following happens: you get sharuum, blasting station, and dread return into your yard, and 3 narcomebas on the battlefield. Emrakul is in your library.

The slow play problem was because you can't shortcut. You've got probably about 40-50 cards in your deck, there is no statistical certainty that you'll ever get that configuration.

With this version of the combo, you can advance the gamestate every shuffle, because you can remove a card from your library at least once a loop. Additionally, you can shortcut to the point where your library is nothing but Emrakul, Dread Return, Sharuum, Narcomeba x3, and Blasting Station. This is a 7 card deck, and can be shuffled effectively in less than 10 seconds. At this point, you just need to play out the loop until Emrakul is at the bottom of your deck, a 1/7 chance each iteration.

>>51978411
You can buy pretty much any modern deck with $2000, or several cheaper ones
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#paper
don't buy boosters to get into formats

>>51978462
OK thank you Anonymous I will look at link what is wrong with booster you are not guaranteed rare card??

>>51978426
Oh you're right, I was thinking mesmeric orb triggering before you got to see the card screwed it up but it just means you can't know what the first card you mill is. You can still get in a situation where you're re-milling emrakul without changing the board state a few times even with the 7 card deck, but it's a lot lower than the legacy version.

>>51978471
It's just cheaper to buy the exact cards you want, unless you want to draft with the boosters.

>>51978471
You have so far to go still.
Don't jump into Modern

>>51978475
It's probably easier in modern to just set up some sort of sac and recur loop with things that ping your opponent when your narcomebas enter the battlefield. Until Dread Return makes its dread return to modern legality.

Some day...

>>51978486
OK thank you what is draft magic is much complicated

>>51978489
I never play magic cards before I ask other thread but they say look here and also local store whos does only modern

>>51978498
I'm fairly sure Dread Return will be the last card to ever come off the ban list

Guess who's back

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mardu-blossom-3/

R8, h8 and appreciate

>>51978512
It is my sincere belief, that someday wizards will fire rosewater, and hire a competent designer, who realizes that the graveyard needs some good interaction (not a silver bullet, something that is generally good, and also good at hitting the graveyard), and then dread return will be allowed again.

>>51978546
How's that big mana matchup? I bet eldrazi, karn and prime time love you

>>51978551
I mean scooze exists, and DRS exists in legacy and graveyard decks still exist, and when DRS was in modern dread return was still banned. At the point where to keep a card in check half your deck has to incidentally fuck it over while still being strong in the majority of your other match ups, it's probably just that the card is broken, not that your answers are weak.

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When will Sultai have a turn in modern?

I thought after Fatal Push their could be something but really just Grixis and Abzan do it better

>>51978607
When blue has good cards

>>51978584
Was there ever a modern configuration where Golgari Grave Troll was banned, DRS was unbanned, and DR was unbanned?

What we need are more cards like Anafenza and DRS.

>>51978628
Dread Return has never been legal in modern, it was one of the original bans

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>>51978617
Don't hurt me like that

The chances of a new good blue modern impacting standard card in the NWO standard no-fun zone is low as fuck. They gotta keep up the Selesnya creature/walker circle jerk forever.

>>51978607
Sultai Midrange with Traverse for a small creature tool-box seems pretty good to me senpai

>>51978642
Whoever is in charge of bans (name escapes me at the moment) said they were discussing JtMS at the next unban meeting, so they clearly know blue is shit. Hopefully preordain gets unbanned at least.

>>51978638
Yeah, then I think it could safely be unbanned in some hypothetical meta.

You shouldn't think about good graveyard interaction as being "incidental". Wizards is continuing to print mechanics that rely on the graveyard to function: Flashback and Delerium are the two most recent IIRC. They'll continue to do it. The modern cardpool is going to contain almost all of these (I think it's missing threshhold and that's it?). The graveyard, in effect, is going to become an important resource for all colors as time goes on, so we need to print more cards that viably target it just as effectively as they do things on the battlefield. For instance, printing a path to exile that can also exile a targeted creature in the graveyard. A thoughtsieze that can also exile a card in a graveyard. That sort of stuff.

Either that, or we get a rotating card pool in the next iteration of modern.

>>51969134
This accurately describes why I play living end.

>>51969134
It looks way uglier now that there's huge tracks of white space at the corners.

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Cruel Ultimatum and Augur of Bolas spoiled.

Is it time for daddy Bolas hype?

>>51978580
Drazi can be a pain game one but Tron isn't as hard as you'd think. Alot of the time I just burn them down. Plus crumble to dust and I'm thinking about putting 2 GQ in the sb

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>>51978780
>>51978795
noted. thanks for feedback
i don't think i'm smart/patient enough to eliminate all the extra white space so do you think extra space inside is better than at the corners?

>>51978607
it's getting closer, maybe. Recently you got push, brutality, flayer, traverse, delirium hymn, etc

>>51969689
most lists run secure the wastes now

>>51978796
In mm3?

>>51979454

In mm3.

>>51972160
Death's Shadow is the best modern deck right now by a fair margin, it has no weakness to exploit - unless you are willing to play 4 snapcaster mages and 4 paths in a format as hostile to control as modern currently.

Would a card like this fix modern?

U
Sorcery
You may cast ~ as though it had flash if you pay u more to cast it.
Counter target spell.

>>51976217
Merfolk is literally unplayable versus Death's Shadow, please stop theorycrafting. It was okay against jund because of Junds slow draws, now every game is discard into threat into double removal.

>>51979543
t. someone who has never played the match up

>>51976154
What a coincidence
This is getting a reprint in MM3

>>51979521
I would play that without a second thought in copycat. Jeskai twin is back baby.

>>51979531
That's just counterspell

>>51979521
>it has no weakness to exploit
They start at 6-8 life in a format where Lightning Bolt is the most played card, any control list runs more removal than they have threats, the deck folds to Blood Moon, it can be outraced by any real aggro deck, the deck can't kill Eldrazi other than with Lili edict that's slow?

>>51979723
>They start at 6-8 life in a format where Lightning Bolt is the most played card
Are you really that fucking dense? Go ahead, Bolt them, you're doing their work for them.

>>51979676
Funnily enough I'm the first one to play Jeskai Saheeli (with Spreading Seas at least) to a finish, the matchup is pretty 50/50 - while path and snapcaster are excellent, forcing your combo through their disruption is hard and winning without it often times even harder.

>>51979884
No one said that a) you can't remove Shadow first b) bolt them all the way in one-shot (shit I've won games with 2 Galvanic Blasts before I even got to swing with Champ+Plating) c) they ever find Shadow in the process of killing themselves.
Just stop posting.

>>51975758
neat

>>51979895
The deck runs 8 cantrips and Green Sun's Zenith. I'm pretty sure it can find Death's Shadow quite consistently. Not that Goyf isn't an even bigger threat in that deck than usual.

>>51979918
>Gsz
Stop this meme, traverse isn't anywhere near Gsz.

>>51980206
Oh yeah sorry, GSZ can't fetch Death's Shadow. Just like how Mox Opal is nowhere near Moxen.

>>51980220
>mox opal
And the thread just died, next.

>>51980220
>just like opal is nowhere near moxen
It isn't and you're a retard. Both cards require a lot of build around to function properly and both don't come close to their respective counterparts, especially if they aren't online.

Why is Mishra's Bauble 30 dollars?

I was just looking at the price lists and I realized I have a ton of these.

>>51980300
Because a couple decks found a niche use for it, so every speculator and their nan jumped on the bandwagon. Sell now before it's spoilered.

>>51980306
Will do, I bought a stack of them like 8 years ago to fuck around with in various decks and never ended up using them much.

Never thought I'd be able to turn them into fetchlands or whatever.

Secondary market is fucking retarded.

>>51979531
Wat?

>>51962142
Was this set designed by Reddit?

>>51979531
>counterspell that is just a confusing and broken card 1/2 of the time

i'm thinking of getting into modern as a non-rotating format because i'm tired of paying money for standard every 3 months
decks i really like to play are eldrazi and taxes, dredge, lantern control, and bant spirits
what should i build first

>>51980853

build lantern control and see if someone stabs you after FNM

>>51980875
>lele dae hate prison i want to tap my goyfs
Not everyone is desolator.

>>51981107

reeee i payed $600 for my goyfs i should win fuck you and your shitty artifacts your cheating!!!

>>51978140
shelldock isle

>>51979543
Then why has merfolk suddenly come back from total obscurity and is top 8ing events again?

>>51981107
Does desolator even know what Lantern control is? I thought he was just a standard babby.

>>51981396
He has a general idea about what decks xyz are and do but that's basically it, he hides his retardation behind the veil of not having an interest towards the competitive side of mtg despite doing nothing but bitching about it around the clock.

Are there any MTG channels that aren't either Wizards shills or autists?

>>51981889
Gathering magic is pretty good. So is rogue deck builder

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>tarmogoyf and cavern of souls reprinted as well
What the fuck is going on

Test

>>51979678
My point.

How about this?

1UU
Instant
Kicker U
Counter target spell, then draw a card if ~'s kicker cost was paid.

I'm trying to figure out what counter control decks need, and what can be printed in standard. But more and more I'm starting to think that modern masters needs to be used to add cards to the card pool.

If it did we could get reprints like daze, or cabal therapy, that wouldn't be appropriate for standard.

>>51981941
$400 boxes that's what's going on.

>signets
>lingering souls
>blood moon w/ duals and triple lands
>iok bolt path magma jet at unc
Not sure what to think considering draft.

>>51982041

>Spelling errors
>grammar errors

looks legit

>>51982041
Not with that spelling.

>>51982041
Never ever twin cucks

Friendly tip: mass drop likely has another 325 boxes of modern masters they're going to ship. Iirc, the last order they put in was 160 per box, so you can reasonably expect that.

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I regret doubting this set would be complete chaff and didn't buy 170$ boxes.

>>51982034
Not if they print shit ton of them. If it's absolutely huge print, then we are finally getting more actually usable cards circulating.

I regret that wizards won't sell directly to the consumer.

>>51982200
It's going to be limited print™ we can't hurt the secondary market goyim

Enjoy the $600 boxes that maintain the integrity of the secondary market.

>>51982017
That's just Cryptic Command

>>51982241
Do we honestly know if it is a limited print run or print on demand? Because if it's latter, how can you hoard set that's just gonna get printed more if you buy it?

>>51982315
It will be limited print run just like every other masters set. 99% of people want it to be unlimited but the 1% pretend wall Streeters would throw a fit at the money they lost in a children's card game.

>>51982342
You say that, but how the hell do you know? This is not something that is "oh because it was so before it's how it's now also", since it literally just needs someone at marketing to say that "hey, we need to make this print on demand" and it will be so.

>>51982342

Wizards fucked them once with EMA by doing a "bonus" print run when boxes got to $300. You can bet they'd do it again.

Wall Streeters get btfo.

>>51982364
>oh hey we need to print to demand
>can't. some autists will get upset at the money they invested in a children's card game going down the drain
If it turns out to be unlimited feel free to call me a fucking retard but I'm 90% sure based on wizards past practices and the previous sets it will be limited.

>>51982277
It's half of cryptic command. Cryptic is still superior, due to versatility. This is cancel with upside.

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ITS FAPPENING

>>51982600
Fake

>>51982600
At least edit the errors twin cuck

Kys

>>51982600
>What?, is not splinter twin banned end modern?
LOL ok bud

>>51981594
Desolator has said the following about tiered modern decks.

>The only way to beat Jund is to have a dismember. Jund folds to one dismember on a goyf or scooze.
>Ad nauseam is the best deck in the format, right up there with soul sisters.
>Cryptolith rite would break decks like affinity.

>>51982758
Like I said, general idea. He knows Jund has goyf in it and that's it.

>>51982758
He's right about cryptolith right though. The card is sleeper op and I wouldn't be surprised to see it spike soon.

Buy your copies now lads

>>51982812
Even if you're ironic it's still shitposting.

Wizards should really just print Counterspell into a standard set and make every other counter in the format terrible to lessen its impact.
If your counters pool is Counterspell and shit like Cancel, Delay and Revolutionary Rebuff, control wouldn't dominate.

>>51982844
>counterspell
How am I going to cast my 20 mana Gideon planeswalker with that in the format? No one wants control with 30 counterspells maindeck, it's not fun to play against.

>>51982844
No offense but you clearly don't play control. It's effectiveness isn't dictated by how good the counters are. Also counterspell will not be enough to help control in Modern.

Control struggles against aggro and Tron. Mana leak is essentially counterspell against low to the ground aggro and no counter is going to slow down cast triggers or an endless stream of incredibly powerful walkers

>>51982600
Wouldn't the new text say "Create a token"?

>>51982908
Yeah the only way to boost control in modern is to either ban urza's tower, introduce some kind of hard lock like countertop, or unban jace. And the only matchup Jace would really help is against other fair decks, the games would just come down to who can resolve him first.

>>51982908
I actually don't play control, but I think counterspell is such a nice, clean card that it's a shame it's not playable in modern, specially because its powerlevel feels right on par with the top of the format in a vacuum.

>>51982969
>>51983025
reprint propaganda

>>51971071
>permeating mass with doran
I like the way you think

>>51983425
That sounds bad. That isn't even what he was talking about either

>>51982600
>en Modern

Try a LITTLE harder

>>51982908
Counterspell would help tons against tron. The problem with the control matchup against tron right now is that mana leak, dispel, and spell pierce absolutely blow when your opponent has access to 7+ mana.

Counterspell would shore up the tron matchup, while not hurting any other matchups. Cancel for instance, makes your deck better against tron, but unplayable against fast aggro.

>>51983533
Wrong. Control has no clock. It's a dumb archetype to run in modern
>I counter karn then proceed to durdle
>ok?
The tron player then proceeds to cast ulamog, world breaker or cycle for other threats

>>51983533
t: a retard who's never played the matchup

Mana Leak and 90% of the time Spell Pierce is already a hard counter vs everything Tron taps out for excluding Oblivion Stone which does fuckall vs any control variant that's not Grixis. If the game goes to turn 10+ Tron has already won, Counterspell or not, because the UWx party is the beatdown in the exchange and couldn't out-tempo the deck with the better late game in chaining Ulamogs etc.
The problem is not that your counter reads x and not y, the problem is the lack of fast finishers that aren't answered by a board wipe or a Ghost Quarter.

>>51978607

tasigur
bob
goyf
flayer
snap
liliana

semen visions
thought scour
traverse
push
abrupt decay
countersquall

what other good spells are there in BUG?
we lose
lightning bolt
terminate
lingering souls
kcommand
path

>>51983828
Whispers of Emrakul
Collective Brutality
Some amount of enchantments, artifacts, tribal spells and new Emrakul.

>>51978546
Intangible Virtue maybe since all your creatures minus Pyro are tokens.

Why are none of the good decks any fun to play?

Is it time for little kid abzan to come back?
>fuck your discard
>best removal
>best hate cards
>gavony motherfuckin township

>>51983929
Because "fun" decks involve large decision trees, requiring lots of skill to navigate through.

"good" decks need to be uninteractive as possible, and minimize the possibility of skill from playing a part in victory, because then your opponent's skill also plays a part.

"fun" decks can be good, in the sense that they can win you tournaments, if you are talented and smart. But those decks wouldn't form format defining archetypes, because the skill required to win with them is not something 90% of the modern community can expect to have.

You can try to win with a "fun" deck, and if you are smart and talented, you will. But the fact that you had to have this explained to you like a child implies you lack the critical thinking skills necessary to succeed. So I recommend burn for you.

>>51984030
*tips fedora*

Is it possible to make a modern deck that costs less than a hundred win at FNM Modern on a consistent basis? I'm guessing not.
What about under 200 and so on?
I typically play standard, but I'm burned out on facing nothing but the same two or three decks. Especially when my go-to deck, esper control, isn't so well positioned in the meta.
If it helps at all, Tron is the most played deck at my store followed by abzan and affinity.

>>51984084
Colorless Eldrazi without Chalice of the Void or Karn is probably your best bet if you're fine with a braindead autopilot list.

>>51984084
Play Burn or Eldrazi Tron

>>51984084
You could build mono G stompy or Mono R burn for ~100 and win sometimes. If you bumped up to 400-500 you could get some solid tier 2 decks or the majority of some tier one decks. Prices might get cheaper with MM too so keep that in mind right now.

It is worth noting that unlike standard your cards won't rotate so you'll actually save money in the long run provided you don't get something extremely degenerate that'll get banned completely, but honestly there's nothing like that in current metagame in my opinion.

>>51984158
Aren't those critical to the deck?
>>51984161
Everyone already plays tons of tron.
>>51984191
>win sometimes
I'm not the guy that always has to win, but unless I can believe I've got a shot at winning the night, I won't have much motivation to play.

And yeah, I saw that the new MM set is reprinting a lot of staples, so I was hoping it'd make it possible to put together a decent modern deck that doesn't cost a fortune.

>>51984270
>Aren't those critical to the deck?
Karn, no, Eldrazi Tron (I wish people stopped calling it this since it's the only non-control Urza deck and it should be addressed differently, either just eldrazi stompy or colorless pushed creatures.dec) is a dumb beatdown deck that aims to just close games asap and ping your opponent's shit with Ballista, Karn is a stabilizer in opposition to the gameplan even though he's the best thing to cast with 7 mana when you hit natural Tron on Christmas without Stirrings or Sylvan Scrying.
Chalice of the Void gives some free wins vs 1drops.dec, but does nothing vs other Eldrazi/Midrange piles (most of the meta) and isn't too great vs Affinity (only good at 0 on the play really, if they don't have Grudge or a fast start otherwise) and Burn (which can just Smash/Revelry it). The meat and bones of the deck is the Sol and Urza lands and the dumbest colorless shit printed in recent sets.

>>51984270
Honestly you could get some very functional modern decks like Merfolk, Eldrazi/death&taxes, Elves, Skred, Titanshift, Ad nauseum, dredge, Tooth and Nail, Zoo, Ponza, and Living end that are all around 4-500 and are very capable of taking the night with enough practice and metagaming. You don't need to spend 2k on jund to be competitive and considering all of these cost about as much as a few rotations I don't think its a ludicrous investment if you play regularly.

>>51984320
Looking over the eldrazi tron land deck, it is pretty cheap if I don't worry about karn, chalice, or surgical extraction.
But, I know it's heavily played where I am.
Is Naya viable? I vaguely remember seeing some Naya decks a while ago, but they seem to have vanished from the meta.

>>51984367
I've spent tons on card games so that's not the issue, it's more having that amount of money tied up in one deck. It's also a big initial outlay rather than a little bit here and there.

Can you play D&T without Vial? Or does it absolutely need 4 Vials

>>51984400
You shoulda just said you want to be your lgs's special snowflake

>>51984501
Yes and no. If I'm playing a common deck, people are going to sideboard for it and probably know how to play against it, which leaves me at a disadvantage since I don't really know what's going on.

>>51984400
>I've spent tons on card games so that's not the issue, it's more having that amount of money tied up in one deck. It's also a big initial outlay rather than a little bit here and there.
Yeah but then you don't have to pay that little bit here and there aside from maybe a new card from a set that affects your deck. Having the money tied up in one deck can be a little daunting at first but most of the cards you'd be getting can be applied to other decks too so its not terrible. Also the big foray will often yield return investments so that's a plus.

>>51984450
Need

>>51984531
Ad Nauseam has a pretty good matchup vs big mana and Eldrazi in general and isn't too expensive, the hate against is either only somewhat effective and common (Blood Moon/Stony Silence) or game-enders that rarely if ever see play (Slaughter Games). That's if you like putting the same a+b together every game though.

>>51984030
You're a fucking faggot who will never do better than 2-2 at fnm. Every viable deck has decision trees, every viable deck in modern takes a combination of skill, timing, and luck to win a tournament. I bet you whine about burn and affinity being braindead after they beat your "fun" 5 color shitbrew too, just like hoogland.

Why did you guys tell me dredge wasn't fun?
It's fantastic

>>51984983
Dredge is as close to solitaire as it gets in magic.

>>51985038
That's not true.
That would be ad nauseum or the valakut decks
>muh midrange

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>>51978140
I ran with your idea: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queer-as-folk/

>>51986451
I would play this card so hard if it were ever printed in like an unset. I'd somehow figure out how to ramp into it and still have the color fixing. It would be hilarious

Other than tron, which decks are good against midrange?

>>51986911
Degenerate combos like Valakut and Ad Nauseum

>>51986911
anything with tentacles will annihilate midrange
merfolk tends to do well against blue midrange (grixis, jeskai)

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>>51978426
>>51978167

Who wants to run it?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-horsemen-2/

>>51986949
Okay, so is eldrazi tron or bant eldrazi the way to go? Or something else?
My entire lgs is control/midrange with a couple ponza

Should I make Bogles or WB Soul Sisters? Is Bogles worth it if you have none of the fetches or shocks?

>>51986961
You only need one or two narcomevas, so you don't draw dead most of the time. Also, you only have half of the pia pita combo.

>>51987002
yeah if there's no death's shadow to worry about then bant eldrazi is a good choice. you're probably not gonna beat ponza that often but t2 thought-knot will steal games every now and then.

>>51987087
Bogles doesn't really have any play to it. The guy at the gp I played against just had his hand on the table because he said it didn't matter if I knew or not

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>>51987499
So Sisters' is funner/more flexible? Is it simply that Bogles is "solved"?

>>51986451
That's a fair card. Better than most custom cards.

>>51987526
whether you win or lose just depends a lot on your draws and not very much on how you play. soul sisters is actually pretty interesting to play, and you can build the deck a million different ways

>>51987601
I feel like norin sisters gains a bit from adding black. You'll always have revolt for push

>>51970840
>I know it in my bones
Bones you say?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/skeleton-warriors-4/

Does WOTC have the authority to prevent stores from price gouging if they ever felt like enforcing it?

>>51988376
WoTC can stop selling product to a store any time they like for any reason (barring discrimination laws)

So I'm assuming the multicolored mythics in MM17 are a cycle of allies colours, the last being U/B.

Tezz Agent of Bolas, Ashiok, or Lazav... which will it be /tg/?

>>51988398

Yea I thought as much, also speaking strictly about sealed product, not secondary market

>>51988376

They could print the suggested price right on the booster/box. So, if someone wants to increase the price, they'll have to put a big ass price tag over the suggested price.

Where are the lantern control reprints?

>bought one booster box of MM3 from one of my stores
>second store already rised price for box
>twice

There's some nasty shenanigans going on.

>>51988418

It'd be nice if they did, especially for sets like these.

>>51988376
No, once they sell it's the stores property you tard, they can charge whatever people will pay.

>>51988420
wizards learnt from last time and won't reprint things from decks they're about to ban

>>51988376
Not really, the more effective way would be to dump mass product to force these shills to compete

>>51988506
>they're gonna ban lantern
Top retard

>>51988506
They're just banning Mox opal.

>>51988650
>>51988519
Bridge is going to go. Cards that don't let creatures tap are against the spirit of magic.

>>51988661
LOL no

>>51988650
No they aren't, stop desperately trying to push this shit meme.

>>51988661
Not sure if this post is ironic or not but they aren't going to ban a card that kills a deck when it gets hit by the most common form of sideboard hate in the format.

Wizards doesn't ban for salty Timmys

>>51988759
>the most common form of sideboard hate in the format
like what just happened with dredge? People were running more graveyard hate than artifact

>>51987095
I only need half of it but I'm thinking -1 Narc, -3x Greater Gargadon, +4 spell pierce. Maybe some leak?

>>51988777
The difference being that dredge wouldn't die without GGT and that Lantern and affinity aren't nearly as polarizing and can be beat without dedicated hate unlike dredge.

>>51988759
Is Mox Opal in the latest modern masters? If not I think it's pretty open and shut that it's getting banned.

>>51989037
Is Karn Liberated in the latest modern masters? If If not I think it's pretty open and shut that it's getting banned.

It was reprinted in MM2 you fucking moron, not to mention the lack of affinity in this set would make it out of place

>>51989037
You have no idea how drafting or set design works.
Why would they put one metalcraft card in a set with next to no artifacts?

>>51989245
To be fair Daybreak Coronet was in MM15

>>51989266
And also was in super desperste need of being reprinted, unlike Karn and Mox Opal that were both reprinted in MM2

>Karn reprinted
>Price goes up

??????

>>51989486
Pretty sure someone posted a fake spoiler here the other day, karn isn't in MM3

>>51989427
>super desperste
No it wasn't. Who gives a shit anyway if it did need a reprint. Bogles is a shitty meme deck

>>51989537
Daybreak Coronet was like $40 before the reprint

>>51967055
It gets dumpstered by the BGx decks and really only does well if it plays against the non-interactive decks.

Plus snek gives infect creatures 1 more power so theres that. Just stick to burn.

>>51989510

Oh that explains that then. I was rused.

>>51970116
Merfolk, but dont play it now because everyone is

>>51990362
Merfolk is certainly not fun.

>>51970116
Lantern Control is fun for the pilot.

>>51991215
Fun for the burn players too :)

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>>51991266
Poor little goblin guide

>>51991331
If you're going to post anti burn lantern cards you should at least be posting collective brutality smdh

>>51991631
You can't collective brutality for 15 though

>>51991631
Is collective brutality a 4 of in lantern?

That would convince me to invest. I love collective brutality, and want a deck I can play 4 of it in.

>>51991821
Nope. Most lists are around 1 main, 1 side.

>>51991852
DESU, I don't understand why most lists of any deck don't run 4-ofs for most things.

If a card is a generally good answer, and superior in more situations to cards of similar roles, it seems to me you'd want to max out on it, to increase the odds of having a generally good answer available to you in any given game.

>>51991910
You need to play more. You seem very new

>>51991821
Most lists run at least 2 but some of the straight GB lists run 4 main and if you have a lot of burn in your meta I'd suggest doing that.

>>51991645
>implying you'll live that long

>>51991949
Could you explain it, rather than insinuate that I'm new? I've been netdecking like a fag for years, but only just got into brewing myself.

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Same guy who came up with Puresight Merrow + Cryptolith Rites here.

Does this work the way I think it does?

>>51991910
Some cards are less good in multiples. For example some control lists run 2 or 3 snapcasters over 4. Snapcasters are super good when you have the mana for them and a target, but a fist full of snaps is a bad starting hand, and if you have a snap and no spell to target it's a really shitty card.
Similar thing with removal in some decks, fatal push is great if you have targets, but useless if you don't.
Decks with cards like ancient stirrings or traverse the ulvenwald can run 1 ofs that they can find off these spells.
Cards you do see run as a 4 of are good is the vast majority of situations, and in multiples. Goyfs, lingering souls, thought knot are good examples.

>>51991972
Yes, you can also use paradise mantle on him. However you still need something else once you achieve the ability to exile your deck to win with it.

>>51991973
Thanks. Isn't fatal push one of the better cards to have 4-ofs? It hits basically everything in modern short of wormcoil.

>>51992063
I meant the attached image.

>>51992082
Yes, but in most decks it's fighting against other removal for spots. In grixis you want 4 lightning bolts always, and 4 lightning bolts already hit a lot of 1-4 drops. You don't want to be in a situation where you have heaps of removal that doesn't hit what your opponent has, for example reality smasher or drowner.
In esper it's a similar story, fatal push is better than path against 1-4 drops, but you want path at some point to hit 5 and 6 drops. So esper control lists usually run 3 of each.

would price of glory be a good option until i get blood moons? i could play it as early as turn 1 or 2.

>>51992135
I can understand that.

Now how about decks where I see someone include one of cards, like a one of spell pierce, or a one of leyline of sanctity in the sideboard. What's the reasoning here?

>>51992083
like if you had some number of surging flames > 1 and no other cards in your library?

>>51992153
Not modern legal.

>>51992195
Yes.

>>51992195
You wouldn't get infinite damage, you'd get 8 for every one you cast from your hand if you had the 1 you cast + 3 others in your library though.

>>51992199
surging flames is cast, triggers ripple, ripple into another, cast that one, ripple trigger.... process is repeated until no more ripples succeed.... yea no it doesnt work

>>51992178
Well for sideboard cards you just don't have slots for all the things you want. There's a whole bunch of decks you want sideboard cards for but only 15 slots.
Spell pierce only hits non-creature spells, so there's some decks it's pretty bad against. A lot of decks that run it (like infect) also need the other cards in their deck to win. No use having lots of spell pierces to protect your creature if it's going to take 10 turns to win.

>>51991972
No.

When you cast Surging Flame, ripple triggers. Ripple resolves. Then Surging Flame resolves. Only while Surging Flame is resolving does it get moved to your graveyard, triggering the wheel of sun and moon replacement effect.