>tfw should have been Warmaster but wyrd said otherwise

>>51958277
Aren't warmasters supposed to be good at war though?

>>51959457
He was the loyallest though.

>>51959478

Also an unpopular douchebag who could never have effectively commanded other Primarchs in a combined multi-Legion force.

>>51959555
give literally one example

>>51959555
Russ was pretty widely respected among the Primarchs though. He was second found so that gives him the informal rank of second highest ranked Primarch

>>51959826

Lion punched him in the face

>>51959850
Lets not act like the lion was the most sociable Primarch. Even his own Legion thought he had trouble identifying humor and people's intentions.

Russ on the other hand has been described by non other than Garvial Loken (who had met just about all the Primarchs multiple times) as the most human of all the Primarchs. Russ also the only Primarch who comes to mind who didn't team kill one of his "sons"

>>51959919

Lion never punched Sanguinius or Horus in the face.

>>51959942
Your point? Horus and the mutant had nothing to do with this conversation

>>51959971
>Your point?

It was YOUR fucking point you fucking dipshit

>Russ also the only Primarch who comes to mind who didn't team kill one of his "sons"

Holy fucking shit

>It's a Russfags pretend their Primarch was top tier thread
Sad. Russ's greatest '''''victory''''' was team killing a guy who didnt even want to fight. Everything else thats good about the Space Wolves was present before or after Russ. Only Angron has a worse effect on his legion IMO.

Seriously Russ's whole 'I'm only pretending to be a barbarian' bullshit is so fucking gay. If all you ever do is act like a duck and look like a duck, dont try and pull a 'MUH PRETENDING' when called a duck. Just makes you look extra retarded.

Sanguinius with self-confidence would literally be the perfect being.

>>51959994
>It was YOUR fucking point you fucking dipshit
No son, Sangy and Horus had nothing to do with the conversation. You just moved the goalposts by bringing them up in this conversation

>Holy fucking shit
Seriously. Did Russ ever kill one of his Legion? Because literally every other Primarch murdered one of their own in cold blood at least once

I eagerly await your response

>>51960074
>Because literally every other Primarch murdered one of their own in cold blood at least once

Source your shit you autist.

>>51960042
He was already perfect.

>>51960074
No, he killed marines from other peoples legions.

That's real leadership.

>>51960074
>>Holy fucking shit

>being this fucking retarded and thinking that was a quote and not pointing out your own fucking retardation

Holy fucking shit

>>51960098
I challenged you, you prove me wrong and stop getting so upset dude. It's a fucking 40k thread lol

>>51960110
That was his job though, and the ones he killed deserved it such as that Thousand Son Chaos Spawn

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>>51960177
>>51960177
he was quoting >>51959994
anon, or do you not know how greentext works?

>>51960183
>and the ones he killed deserved it such as that Thousand Son Chaos Spawn
Sure they did. No matter that that's not what the Emperor ordered or wanted, its only important that Russ didnt like them so they deserved it right?

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>>51958277
Daily remainder that the destruction of prospero and the thousand sons was sanctioned by the Emperor's own hand as he gave Russ total liberty to hunt down and bring back Magnus

>>51960247
He's talking about Leman killing the chaos spawn 1KS on Shrike dude. You seem out of your class in this argument.

>>51959826
Corax would probably do a lot of stuff to act against Russ since he acted as a mediator when Perturabo and Corax had a disagreement. But that's Corax and he's a Emp bitch who complains to everyone.

>>51960042
>Horus with self-confidence would literally be the perfect being.
FTFY

>>51960274
>Be brought forth in censure and bound by lore to stand before the Throne of Imperial Terra

I finally figured out why Prospero happened. Whose idea was it to send written orders to barely uplifted dogs who cant read?

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>>51960278
Flesh change is not the same as spawnhood, fucking space wolves players learn the fucking lore!!

>>51958277
There's like 3 primarchs who were ahead of him in the warmaster candidacy, not even counting Horus

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>>51960278
>He's talking about Leman killing the chaos spawn 1KS on Shrike dude.
If he was it wasnt clear to me otherwise I might not have joined the arguement. Besides the flesh change isnt chaos spawning so hes fucking wrong anyway, as would claiming that kill as justified.

>You seem out of your class in this argument.
This is actually how I picture you now. Havent had to bring this one out in awhile.

>>51960098
Traitor primarch a purged their legion so that counts right?
That leaves us the loyalists.
Lion killed Nemiel?
That's all I can remember

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>>51960307
>lol tts device reference am I cool yet guys?!
You're everything that's wrong with this hobby

>>51959919
When did Vulkan or Robby kill any of their "sons"?

>>51960380
The fuck you even talking about lol? Complaining about a reference that the other person doesnt know is next level Anon.

>>51960274
Didn't Horus tamper with the order though?

>>51960294
It was Corax and Horus who had the spat

>>51960353
Gulliman didn't command the respect that Russ did, Lion couldn't be trusted and Ferrus was ironically too hotheaded

>>51960365
Hot meme lad

>>51960098
Perturabo and decimation

Lionel knocking off that one captains head

Corax purposely sending all his Terran legionaries to die because "much freedom"

Dorn when he committed to the Iron Cage to purge his legion of non Codex Astarte conformists

That's all that I can think of.

>>51960402
>Hot meme lad
The meme was secondary to the response but its nice to see you had no argument.

>>51960396
Yes but either way Russ was allowed to be as drastic as he wished and even without Horus tampering the TS weren't going to let the SW burn their libraries and destroying their research, battle was unavoidable.

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>>51960402
>Gulliman didn't command the respect that Russ did

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>>51960393
>justifying text to speech device and 1D4 Chan references

>>51960471
I dont watch text to speech and 1d4chan memes are /tg/ memes you fucking newfag.

>>51960438
But the order says bring Magnus to Terra not burn Prospero.

He never even tried talking to Magnus.
Why is that.

>>51960447
In Know No Fear it is stated that Gulliman is looked down on by most his brothers

>>51960426

Angron killed quite a few of his World Eaters when he was first kidnapped by the Emperor.

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>>51960347
>>51960365
>flesh changes
>not of chaotic origin and irremediably mutating them into chaos monsters
>being this much into denial
Thousand sons players everybody!

>>51960502
>In a Black Library novel something wrong is stated
Colour me shocked.

>>51959994

>being this mad

You should be in therapy.

>>51960516
The flesh change was a genetic flaw from their geneseed. Something the Wolves should start talking shit about honestly.

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>>51960489
>Using head Canon as facts
Oh boy this gets better by the second

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>>51960494
1. The order says "by any and all means he may find needful, without limit in law, [or] sanction

>He never even tried talking to Magnus
yes he did

>>51960555
really? because im sure that they just dropped out of warp and started blasting the shit out of prospero's orbital defenses

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>>51960541
And the fact that Tzeench in admits he is responsible for the flesh changes in the thousand sons novel must be ignored right?

>>51960553
>Using head Canon as facts
Facts? You somehow took a joke this seriously? Wow. Thanks for you input mang. Can wait for this next (You) with you doubling down.

>>51960593
>in the thousand sons novel must be ignored right?
Are you talking about a BL novel? If so then of course? Who uses BL scub as a source these days lol? There's plenty of canon material you can go read instead.

>>51960494
The plot demanded it

>>51960582

That's because Horus changed the Emperor's order. The Emperor's order was to do whatever it took to bring Magnus to Terra to answer for what he and his legion had done.

Horus changed the order to "Kill em all".

>>51960582
And I'm pretty sure you can't read. Russ tried to reason with Magnus before launching the assault on Prospero

>>51960393
>>51960614

Every time you put "lol" before the question mark in your sentence, I'm imagining you laughing with an upward inflection. Like you're laughing in the tone that one would ask a question in.

>>51960634

Did he? >>51960621 here and I don't remember that, I thought the Space Puppies just got the order from Horus, never questioned it, and gleefully went to doing what they wanted to do in the first place.

Either way, Emps wanted Magnus alive.

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Why do Transexual Sonsfags hate BL so much?

>>51960659

Because "Black Library sucks" is a meme and even though it is officially sanctioned by GW others feel like they can pick and choose themselves which pieces of lore are canon and which are not.

>>51960659
>Transexual Sons
I dont get it.

>>51960582
>rapidly going to the victim complex
Typical TS player
>>51960594
Yes you're using head Canon and memes as facts, Leman Russ was not a savage when he joined the Emperor, he was the conqueror of Fenris and the Emperor arrived only when he had heard rumours of him as the king of Fenris, he was just taken to Terra to learn Gothic, imperial warfare and the use the imperial technologies.

>>51960654
1. Russ didn't want Magnus alive. That wasn't clear especially considering his exact words at Nikea.

2. Yeah Russ attempted to reason with Fagnus. Everyone thought Kasper Hawser has a 1KS spy and Russ appealed to him before launching the assault

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>>51960696
>Leman Russ was not a savage when he joined the Emperor

>>51960720
can any of you thousand sons mental midgets make a legit argument without memeing?

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>>51960720
>Being this new and ignorant of the lore

>>51959994

So much asspain in one post, which opens the floodgate to...

>>51960074
>>51960098
>>51960177
>>51960183
>>51960215
>>51960278
>>51960347
>>51960365
>>51960380
>>51960432
>>51960489
>>51960516
>>51960553
>>51960555
>>51960593
>>51960594
>>51960634
>>51960696
>>51960735
>>51960779

Alllll this asspain and autistic screeching. Would some of you angry neckbeards mind screen capping this post? There's only 16 posters in this thread and I'd feel a lot better if I knew it was only 2 or 3 shitlords arguing with each other instead of 5-10.

>>51960779
No thats right he was just pretending to be a reta.. I mean, a barbarian.

>>51960793
Blame ts players, since black library back stab them they relay only on head Canon to keep going since everyone else (GW and FW) kept their stance that, well yeah it's all Magnus' fault.

>>51960864
Inferno is about to troll the shit out of you. You should look up the leaks to prepare.

>>51960904
You mean like >>51960274 sanctioning every action the SW took against the TS?

>>51960426
The Khan stopped that rebellion in Scars bloodlessly and formed the traitors into suicide companies does that count?

>>51960933
Mkay. Please clarify the 'bring Magnus to me clause' and why didnt Russ follow it in your eyes?

>>51960793
>thinks it's just 3 people and not literally the entire thread calling you and that other faggot a dumbass

Look at the fucking time stamps moron. Maybe it's not everyone else, it's just you.

>>51961006

None of the posts I quoted were replies to me, anon. Just saying, there's a lot of people getting extremely upset about this.

>>51960989
Because Horus change that part to kill Magnus

>>51961006

Those time stamps are far enough apart to support the theory that it's just a couple of different people posting, and I'll bet around half of them were you.

>>51961092
So why are you backing away from what Russ did by blaming it on Horus, Yet claiming Russ did nothing wrong because of the Emperors orders. Pick one please.

>>51960989

Emperor was the one who wanted Magnus returned to Terra. Horus had gone bad by that point and wanted the Thousand Sons out of the way, so he intercepted the order from the Emperor and changed it to "destroy Magnus and his legion".

>>51961127

I'm glad you enjoy taking sucker bets, it proves the theory--nay--fact, that you were a fucking retard. Especially when you have multiple posts occurring within 30 seconds of each other.

>>51961140
Not according to Inferno which is where that document he claimed sanctioned Russ's actions.

>>51960426
>Corax purposely sending all his Terran legionaries to die because "much freedom"

wut?

When did that happen?

>>51961133
Horus was the warmaster and he hold the same authority as the Emperor, therefore he was bound to follow his orders wherever he like it or not, he did what he was asked and acted as he was expected, by that time there was literally no reason to doubt Horus word.

>>51960529
Stupidity is stronger than the Butcher's Nails

>>51961147

2-3 people can post within 30 seconds of each other. I'm still saying that around half were you. You seem especially upset by all this.

>>51960659
Do Emperor's children fans hate the BL that much?

I mean sure, every one of their characters come off insufferable, but that's kinda their thing

>>51961180
>by that time there was literally no reason to doubt Horus word.
But he had just received conflicting orders from the Emperor himself, with the Emperors main bodyguard confirming that Big E wanted Magnus brought back to Terra and instead chose to follow Horus's orders?

I wonder if that had more to do with Russ's personal feeling about Magnus and his legion?

>>51961203
No, Horus received the orders from the Emperor and he send the altered orders to Russ, or the Emperor wanted Magnus axed if you take the prospero burns game lore into account.

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>tfw space wolves have been your favorite for over a decade and no memes can stop you

>>51961227
>No
Yes. You linked to the Inferno fluff so dont pick and chose like a fgt. Valdor is there with Russ and argues with him about following Horus's orders over the Emperors. You're gonna have to learn to deal with it.

>>51961252
It's ok to like terrible things anon, you just have to make sure you aren't delusional like OP.

>>51961254
>Valdor is there with Russ and argues with him about following Horus's orders over the Emperors
Valdor wanted Magnus dead and convinced Russ to attack

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>>51961252
Same here brother

>>51961295
Please tell me you didnt just point to that post with out knowing the rest of the leaks? Cause that would truly be disappointing.

>>51961317
Obviously I wasn't aware of the leaks, point me into the right direction

>>51961336
it was 2 threads ago at hhg.

TLDR

Russ receives kill order from horus and Malcador approved order for bringing magnus in from emperor.
Russ goes for the kill order because his involvement at Xenocide campaign with *REDACTED* , his bias against Magnus, and the fact that the order puts him in charge.
Oh, the REDACTED xenocide campaign also caused Russ to write a book called the Omega Codex, which is "How to Murder Space Marines for Dummies"
Valdor is attached with group of Sisters of silence.
Valdor wants to stick to Emperor's order, but is overruled by Russ since he's the one who is in charge of this mission.
Valdor tries repeatedly to contact Magnus, but there's a radio silence.
Russ does the Russ thing.
Valdor still tries to see if cease fire can be reached.
Nothing gets through and eventually plot of BL novels happen.

>>51958277
Im a Wolf player and even I know Sanguinius should have been warmaster. Russ is probably a top 4 contender but everyone everyone knows sanguinius was the top choice. Guilliman and Russ are in the line up

>>51961488
You forgot the part where Russ was getting his ass kicked until Valdor disregarded his shitty tactics and went on to win him the fight.

>>51959919

No, just his brothers

>TS had the moral high ground until BL happened
>BL also did dumb shit like the pure wolf spirits of fenris
>the autism on both sides in lore has caused mass skub between the players
I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight

>>51959999
Quads confirm truth. Yiffags can burn in hell.

>>51958277
Aside from Horus, the only guys who really stood a chance at becoming Warmaster were Sanginius, Guilliman, and Dorn. And none of those guys really had as good qualifications as Horus did.

>>51963088
TS have always been the most whiny crybabies in the entire hobby.

You don't see World Eater's players crying they don't get tons of unique sculpts and units or that their Daemon Primarch was taken down by GK rather easily.

Because TS players have this weird victim complex based on Propsero, you want the deal? Here is the deal. Magnus was a pompus dickhead who was meddling in shit he didn't need to and ignored everyone telling him otherwise, when the dog finally bit him, it was his own fucking fault.

>>51960426
So you are saying you have no idea why Dorn went into the Iron cage?

>>51963974
Have You Seen The model gallery?

Khorne is half the fucking game.

Magnusfags and Russfags are both equally autistic and pathetic, 30k fans know patrician taste is any of the following:
Iron Warriors
Emperor's Children
Ultramarines
Imperial Fists
Salamanders
All other Legions, Wolf-faggots and Thousand son autists especially, are absolutely shit and need not apply for rational, adult warhammer discussion.

>>51960307
>"Primarch Russ, my lord, the Sisters of Silence have just docked with us, and they're carrying sealed orders for you.
>"Tundras of Fenris, father knows I can't read, why would he send me written orders? Horus, could you team this for me?
>"Of course brother."
>"Well, what does it say?"
>"Oh no. This can't be."
>"What?"
>"It says you are to go with the Sisters of Silence to Prospero and kill Magnus and his legion."
>"Ha, I always knew father would see things my way eventually."
>"It seems that way."
>"Well I'm off to go kill Magnus then. Thank you for your help brother."
>"No problem at all Leman, no problem at all."

>>51965689
>rational, adult warhammer discussion.

This isn't a thing that exists, autismo. It's a shit setting for a shit game that only manchildren like.

>>51960387
Rob mercy-killed a smurf who got partially teleported into a floor in Know No Fear. I don't think that counts, though.

>>51961158
One of the 30k tabletop rule books. It was the book that dealt with Blackshields, I think. Corax didn't like most of the Terran Raven Guard, so he sent them away from the main Legion force. They turned into a renegade warband.

>>51962890
Please go on, anon.

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>>51960274
the order said that if needed he could punch magnus out and bring him to see daddy for his spanking, what horus told him to do was burn down his house and kill his kids before draging magnus broken body in for execution, it was totaly not the same thing and it only worked because the yiffs had a grudge and didnt want to question these orders.

>>51960502
>In Know No Fear it is stated that Gulliman is looked down on by most his brothers

Where does it say that?

>>51958277
tfw to intelligent to be Warmaster

>>51959999
>9999
Hey magnus

>>51958277
best warmaster would have been an uncucked lorgar. he did world rebuilding even better than rowboat and he was devoted to the emperor

big e was too worried about nasty tricks from chaos that he didnt realize that his fuckups for sons would happily ruin everything on their own

>>51964078
Depends on how you see. You could see it as Dorn just falling for Perturabos trap or you could view it as Dorn removing the more Black Templar like elements of his legion who would probably revolt and throw the already crippled Imperium even further back.

>>51970936
yeah but his world building was good because he created mindless sheep to follow the Emperor, which is exactly what Big E didn't want because he knew he'd be essentially the same as a chaos god at that point.

It's very much the reason for the primarch hierarchy, the more the primarchs worshipped him or considered him their father the more he despised them. Also the Emperor almost certainly hates himself so being worshipped pains him.

>>51960523
Shame they are canon until retconned by newer works. official GW publication and all

>>51966330

Corax mentioned that too in Deliverance Lost but to say

>Corax purposely sending all his Terran legionaries to die because "much freedom"

Is retardedly wrong, he just had his Terran legionaires doing other things while he romped around with his home planet home boys.

>>51960654
you havent read prospero burns have you.
dont like BL huh.
you havent read inferno have you (buy iy, its good)

>>51960989
It doesnt say alive

>>51961200
Fulgrim wasnt a jobber though

>>51971296
I cant tell if you're being serious or just a Poe?

Awuuuuuu

>>51971337
It could have said in an iron cage (alive) but it doesnt
Poe?

>>51971480
>To stand before the Throne
>Stand

>>51958277
>caring about lore in a universe with chainsaw swords, 10 foot tall super wizardz, and soccer orkz
fag

>>51971240
It's a reference to the battle of gate forty-two

>Corax conceded to Horus' plan. He placed many of his Terran-dominated companies to the frontal assault.
>The assault that followed was hailed as the Legion's darkest hour, a grim honour that saw entire Assault companies decimated in the face of heavy enemy defenses.

>>51971543
good point well presented

>>51962890
False

>>51960707
>Russ just assumed that Magnus was spying through a guy and didn't check to make sure before murdering billions of people
It kind of fits with all the other stupid shit he did in that book. Most importantly totally ignoring hard intelligence simply because he didn't want to admit that he was wrong.
I'm not even saying that Magnus was any better, if anything he was even more of a giant retard to simply meet up with a giant superintelligence within the warp and think that "ah, he's probably cool" followed by retardbarging through the defenses around the webway project just because ah they were just in the way.

All the other primarchs did similarly stupid shit and/or had full on autism.
Well maybe except for Sanguinius

>>51971185
big e didnt hate any of his retard sons, that was literally the problem. he treated them like adults and not like the emo faggots that bl made them

also considering hes the founder of all human religions, he doesnt despise being worshipped. its just that at that point he wanted to try out something else

>>51972136
Sanguinius was king retard I don't get why /tg/ idolizes him

>>51959826

He was a proud, rash, boastful prick who'd offend everyone around him rather than unite them. Horus had the gift of charisma. Russ was just a big-mouthed thug, little better than Angron.

>>51972315
You sound beta af

>>51972201
Cause he has wings, man

>>51972315
Worse than Angron. Angron had the fucking Butcher's Nails screaming in his brain anytime he wasn't fucking shit up. Russ didn't even have that as an excuse.

>>51971738
His Terran legionaries actually volunteered for the possition because of their admiration of Horus. So it wasn't entirely emo bird's fault
>>51972201
Making a heroic sacrifice resonates with people. The fact that he knew he was going to his death only makes it all that more poignant

>>51972562
>Making a heroic sacrifice resonates with people. The fact that he knew he was going to his death only makes it all that more poignant
and yet /tg/ was calling Russ a retard after Vengeful Spirit because Russ was going to face Horus despite not knowing if he could beat him

>>51971214

You know what else is canon? Blood Ravens and Eldar sharing secret research installations. Yeah thats right, before there was the Gathering Storm, there was the fucking Blood Ravens.

>>51972596
How are you even comparing the two? Jesus man stop being such a mouth breather.

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If Sangunius was so good then why is he dead? Check mate nerds

>>51966330

One group went Blackshield.

A much larger force he had sent away under the XIX Legion's original Terran commander with Terran legionaries from the old Pale Nomads days became the Carcharodons. The XIX were the original owners of the battleship Nicor, now the Carcharodons have it. Pretty fucking obvious.

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>>51958277

>>51959999
Magnus, are you saying that the Bjorn writefaggotry was right?

>>51974129
Bjorn's writefaggotry wasn't anti Russ, it's more anti 40k Space Wolves. Bjorn only disliked Russ because he fucked with him all the time

>>51972136
If Magnus wasn't an arrogant retard he could've just walked out unarmed and surrendered himself the moment the Space Yiffs showed up in the system. Or committed seppuku where Russ could see it if he wanted to die that fucking badly.

Or just used an astrorpath in the first place like everybody else.

>be Magnus
>"Holy shit I fucked up and the Wolves are coming to kill us all."
>"Ahriman, take the legion and GTFO right now."
>Last TS on planet
>"Ok Russ, I give up. Do you think Dad would rather you kill me on the spot or have me brought back to Terra for his judgement?"
>Prospero doesn't burn

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>>51958277

No, you useless dog, I should have been Warmaster

>>51958277
Give one valid reason why Russ should have been picked over Horus?

>Charisma
No.

>Leadership
No.

>Victories
No.

???

>>51972201
The majority of the people here (Or what used to be the majority) made their decisions on who was their favorite Primarch based on only the most major of plot points from before the Horus Heresy Series was even a thing or from skimming the lore and that is all they needed cause in the beginning the entire point of Primarchs and the Emperor was that they were just a distant legend from a Golden Age. Now they all act like moody teenagers and are all thoroughly awful characters.

>>51958277
I think you meant to post a pic of Sanguinius there OP. I mean, there's no way russ could EVER be warmaster.

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>>51962827
>Russ is probably a top 4 contender

>>51959994
You seem upset. Did your daddy fuck you?

Did you love it?

>>51975150
>Now they all act like moody teenagers and are all thoroughly awful characters.
Not my boy Vulkan

>>51974992
Didn't Rob mentally admit that it he didn't have the personality or charisma necessary to be Warmaster in the early chapters of Know No Fear?

>>51974424
In his defense he knew that Horus would fiddle with the order to arrest him. He knew that walking out there would mean death, and so he had to delay that until he could escape.

>>51977440
He never tried to escape, he just sat there in his tower being emo until he couldn't take the sight of his sons being slaughtered anymore. He even tried to stop them from fighting back.

>>51971335
He jobbed to a sword

>>51976720
Vulkan is written fucking awfully.

Seriously, name a unique character trait Vulkan has.

>>51977067
Yes.

He wanted it though, he was jealous as fuck when Horus got the position instead. I think Horus says that Sanguinius had to talk Robby around in one of the early HH novels.

>>51958277
He had most his legion on Prospero, and Custodes, and Silent Sisters, and Ole' One Eye didn't want to fight him.

AND HE STILL ALMOST LOST!

>>51974992
>coward
>separatist
>cannot into close combat
>Warmaster

>>51980443
>>cannot into close combat
Aren't his in-game stats actually pretty good for melee combat against many of the other primarchs?

>>51960494
The Emperor told Horus to personally deliver the order to Russ. On the way, Horus changed the order to KILL.

>>51980223
I don't know about "almost lost", but even with his preparations (SoS were a very good choice to bring) and Magnus giving him all sorts of advantages (allowing it to be a surprise attack, shutting down defenses) it was still a pretty tough fight.

If Magnus had actually put effort into fighting off the wolves he'd have had a decent chance of winning. Hell, he could have potentially won and brought Russ back to Terra in chains.

That'd have been an interesting sight.

>>51980666
Had Magnus intended to fight from the beginning, the Wulfes would have reached the surface.

>>51980701
Well, yeah probably. But the orbital defences would have done a real number on them first.

>>51980462
In-game, not a fluff

>>51980715
The TS would have wiped the floor with the Yiffs if they hadn't had the Custodes and Sisters to back them up.
Heck, without the Sisters, even the Custodes might not have been enough.

>>51958277
>outplayed by fucking Angron

>would have been fucking killed by a reluctant Magnus if it weren't for his giant wolves, despite Magnus dividing his attention between their fight and destroying Russ' legion

>ONE PUNCH KO'd by the Lion

Please yiffers.

>>51980462
He's good in protracted fights. Mathematically he should best Vulkan for example, but if Vulkan gets one dice spike, that's it for Robbie, whereas this generally isn't the case the other way round.

If everything works out as you'd expect based on averages Roboute should be among the best duellists in 40K, but things rarely go that way.

Which is really good design because I feel like that would be exactly how Roboute fights. Every move is somewhat safe and based on how he thinks things should go based on the laws of probability. But as soon as something unexpected happens he is tripped up hard.

>>51977811
being a nigger

>>51958277


There's no denying Magnus was a genius when it came to the arcane. That's what he was born to do, the Emperor's Sorcerer, the poster boy for the Emperor's eventual 'psykers are not bad they are our ultimate destiny' stick, except as you said, Magnus got tricked by Tzeentch (Magnus' towering pride - which ironically enough parallels his father's own - did not help).

Magnus was actually one of Emps' more-favored sons, at least prior to Nikaea. And even after Nikaea, Emps still hoped to reconcile with Magnus eventually, as shown when Magnus emerged from the ruins of the Imperial Webway the Emperor not only recognized him but also, and to quote "...the sight broke his heart."

If it weren't for the Istvaan V Drop Site Massacre, I believe Russ and the Wolves would be receiving as astropathic distress signal that Fenris was under attack, and upon arriving they'd find V Legion ships in orbit and White Scars scouring the settlements. And when Russ and the VI descend to the surface and their fleet prepares to engage, surprise, surprise, Bucephalus emerges from the Warp accompanied by an attendant fleet, Emps ordering the VI Legion fleet to stand down before descending to the surface accompanied by Khan and the Custodians. And when he confronts Russ...

"Father, what is..."

"KNEEL."

"Father?"

"KNEEL."

Against their will, the Space Wolves are crushed to their knees, Russ being the last to fall, falling on all fours before shakily raising his head in disbelief to stare at the Emperor in shock and betrayal, while Khan looks on with a veiled expression of satisfaction.

I'll make it simple for you guys:


Leman Russ is the worst Primarch.