Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51957072
I really just want people posting more Draph art.

I still want to FUCK Iomedae! A brave mortal with a prestige class won't satisfy my lusts!

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Have you made your preparations for the End yet, /pfg/?

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>>51957072
Draph v2

+4 Str
+2 Con
-2 Wis
Speed: 30ft
Powerful Build: When Beneficial, assume one size category larger. Females can use weapons two size categories larger.

Sexually Dimorphic: Males are Medium Creatures, Females are Small Creatures.

Industrious: +2 racial skill bonus to Craft, and Knowledge (Engineering)

Alt racial Traits:
Goring horns: Gain gore attack, replace Industrious.

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Male
+4 Str
+2 Con
-2 Wis
medium
Speed: 30ft

Female
+2 Str
+4 Con
-2 Wis
Medium
Speed: 30ft

Powerful Build: When Beneficial, assume one size category larger.

Sexually Dimorphic: Males and females have different stat arrays.


Industrious: +2 racial skill bonus to Craft, and Knowledge (Engineering)

Alt racial Traits:
Goring horns: Gain gore attack, replace Industrious.

yall can build off that if you want.

Starting age for adulthood is 13 i think.

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>>51957096

An avowed can gain that divine grace as part of their natural class progression, which is much more convenient than a two-level dip that delays their other class features.

>>51957174

That seems...OP

Just learned that the Life sphere has a handbook in playtesting. http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?516735-Spheres-of-Power-Life-Handbook-Open-Beta

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>>51957174

>Women get +4 con, +2 Str
>Men get +4 str, +2 Con

That... Actually makes a lot of sense.

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Would you allow Eldritch Scion to stack with Hexcrafter and Blackblade?

One of my players wants to play a Halfling Magus with those three archetypes and I'm not sure if I should allow it since it seems that they don't stack RAW.

The thing is, almost everybody else at the table is a PoW initiator or near-full caster of some kind, and I don't think this'd be especially unbalanced in comparison.

>>51957205
>4 levels deep into class you can get stat-to-saves
>if you keep going in that class, you retain the benefits of that ability as part of your class's progression

WOW. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. Does this mean if I go full Paladin I get-YEA, I DO! As part of the natural progression of my class! WOW! This is so broken!

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>>51957113
>I really just want people posting more Draph art.

I think this one's really cute!

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>>51956945

Also, it is worth noting that the new Overcharge Modulation is *wholly insane* when paired with Hellfire Talent, which adds +1 damage per die at two damnation feats.

>>51957206

probably is. honestly , dont care too much to fix it right now.

The second statblock is probably more "balanced". THe first Statblock is for NPCs to bring the smack down on your party of optimizors

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>>51957234

I do not know about you, but this:

>Mind and Matter (4th): Your pact has strengthened you, body, mind, and soul. You gain a bonus equal to your Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws. This does not stack with similarly untyped Charisma bonuses on saves (such as from a paladin's divine grace or the who help themselves clause).

Is certainly more useful than this:

>Filth Absorption (4th): As a standard action, you can absorb filth and detritus. You clean that area completely, consuming all disease, grime, food, and trash within 5 feet. This functions as a remove disease spell targeting all adjacent creatures (caster level equal to your avowed caster level) and a prestidigitation to clean the area. If you cure someone of a disease, you become infected with it. In addition, whenever you damage a creature with an aether pulse, you can infect them with one disease you carry to them. This works as if they had caught it normally, except its save DC is equal to your aether pulse save DC.

It is also arguably better than this:

>Fairy Ring (4th): As a move action, you may mark a square you occupy with a ring of mushrooms for a number of rounds equal to your avowed level. Once per round as a free action, you may return to that circle. This is a teleportation effect, and you may only have one Fairy Ring at a time. If you use this ability to make a new one, the older one withers and fades.

>>51957072
That's stupidly overpowered just because you want to favor your 100% only-for-sexual-reasons race. Be ashamed.

>>51957131
Iomedae would not form healthy relationships, having the mind of a child (see: events of WotR, and that one prestige class that makes her out to be a vain piece of shit)

>>51957224
Isn't Eldritch Scion a downgrade option anyway? Let it fly. Hexcrafter on Black Blade is the only thing powerful here and they don't really combine into anything dangerous so much as allow extra utility.

>>51957174
Seriously? I finished up my app hours ago and you push this out? You're cruel, friend.

>>51957328
>Iomedae would not form healthy relationships

Iomedae had a love-child with the God of Dragons!

Iomedae is a Dragonlayer! She forgot the S but remembered the D!

>>51957328
>only-for-sexual-reasons
>not wanting to wield big weapons as a small chick

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So! Speaking of races, what are some that you like to play? What are some you would like to play, given the opportunity? Is there something you wish WAS a playable race?

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>>51956414

The fly on the wall lesser clause should stipulate that the scout's Fine-sized Stealth bonus applies; otherwise, it is hardly worth a lesser clause slot.

>>51957402
Issun's daughter sure is cute

>>51957367

Real talk, This is me goofing off. It's not a part of dragons. If it is, they're an NPC race. Or a race for a backup character after the main one dies horribly in the Mawagi Expanse looking for the Stone Heart of Akmaundi to make the Demesne a Flying Fortess

>>51957418
Len?

>>51957328

Well, I want to play them because they fit snug into my obsession with big burly bruisers, and this fits that to a T!

Oh, speaking of!

Hey! SwimmingEagle! I've got an idea on how the Draph could've came about in Golarion! Susurex, the Crystal King, is infamous in Osirion's Glazen Sheets as both a brutal dictator and an amoral researcher. He regularly employs enslaved humans to work the scorching crystal mines, maybe he created the Draph for the same reason the progenitor race in Granblue created them?

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>>51957418
>Or a race for a backup character after the main one dies horribly in the Mawagi Expanse looking for the Stone Heart of Akmaundi to make the Demesne a Flying Fortess

>mfw I'm trying to figure out how a Mwangi (or even Sargavan) could have gotten to Thuvia or Taldor

>>51957314
Pacts are intended to be balanced with each other as a whole as much as possible, even accounting for dips, rather than the abilities in a vacuum. Mind and Matter is a strong ability, yes. That said, as it's already available by taking two levels in Paladin or Antipaladin, we're not immensely concerned.

That said, Fairy Ring allows you to be out of reach of a lot of abilities that would FORCE a save, and Filth Absorption can do some very nasty things once you've picked up an appropriately debilitating disease. Mind and Matter is strong numerically, but gives you no additional options.

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>>51957351
I think they want it because it keys the Magus off of CHA instead of INT to fit the Halfling racial bonuses better.

It does seem strictly worse since you can't use spellstrike unless you spend a pool point to be in mystic focus or whatever.

What if I just allowed Hexcrafter or Black Blade to key the class to CHA instead and say fuck Scion? Would that be broken, you think? I want all my players to feel impactful outside of raw numbers, which I know the Magus has in spades.

>>51957637
Nah, Charisma is overall not as strong a stat. You might want to have them take a look at being a Small Tiefling though if the racial attributes are driving the race selection. It fits default Magus without alteration.

>>51957328
Hey, if she's immature, she'll probably put out even sooner!

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>>51957554

The part where that two-level paladin dip delays clause progression means that it is not *quite* as good a deal for an avowed. It has weighty alignment restrictions, it grants only a marginal BAB increase, and the smite is only once-per-day.

>That said, Fairy Ring allows you to be out of reach of a lot of abilities that would FORCE a save, and Filth Absorption can do some very nasty things once you've picked up an appropriately debilitating disease
Both of these also generally require much more finesse to use properly (free actions have to be taken on your turn, for instance), whereas the raw numerical increase will save you from everything from fear effects to confusions to stinking clouds.

>>51957072
>>51957174
I don't know what a Draph is but I know an overpowered race when I see one

>>51957072
>What do you think of /pfg/'s official draph stats? They get +4 Strength and Powerful Build!
Shouldn't they just be, you know, dwarves?

>>51957698

It's a race of horned !notDwarves from Granblue Fantasy. The men are big and burly, and the women are short, voluptuous, and want to have your babies.

>>51957738
>want to have your babies
Do they actually, or is this just the amount of hentai doujins talking?

>>51957738

Are there any fantasy species where the women are a lot bigger than the men and kind of scary?

I only ever see the dimorphism go the other way.

>>51957768
They have been magically shaped to be baby-making machines.

>>51957773

Insects are universally this.

Oh, and the Locust Horde I guess.

>>51957768
>>51957787

They don't really have a psychological urge to breed, it's just something they can do really, really easy.

>>51957773
That unfortunate race of kitties in GW2 that exists because of an artist's hissy fit. Then again, females and males are both ugly as rocks and scary. Females just larger and shittier.

>>51957768
There isn't actually any difference in the social roles and personality of the men and the women with Draph. They don't really have a society so they just all do their own thing.

>>51957815
Story time?

How relevant is it to be able to 5ft step through difficult terrain? Nimble Moves seems very situational in its usefulness.

>>51957815
>That unfortunate race of kitties in GW2 that exists because of an artist's hissy fit.

What, the Charr? I didn't know they were a result of that. I need story!

>>51957833
It's been a long while, so take this with a grain of salt. But as I remember it, GW was pressing for a race of big burly male felines, and sex kittens female. Serious artist for the game went REEEE and "I need feminism because" And dug in. And because they were apparently hot shit, that's why Charr are god awful.

Also note, I'm salty and charr are awesome, I just would have also liked to have sex kittens.

>>51957815
I was under the impression that male and female charr were about the same size. The artists's hissy fit was over how the females either needed no boobs or SIX.

They went with none.

>>51957871
Expanding on that, they pushed artist to give the Charr breasts. Artist demanded that if that's the case, they have six of them down the stomach.

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>>51957668
The pic I included in my original post is the thing driving race selection I think. He's the kind of person who finds a piece of character art that he likes and build something to fit it. I'll throw the idea of small tiefling at him, but he can be kinda turbo-autismo and probably won't go for it.

>>51957871
Honestly I'm happy at the choice to avoid sexual dimorphism with Charr. It always bothers me in games.

SHAME ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE THEY DID WITH THE RACE THOUGH.

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>>51957871

What, you don't think this qualifies?

>>51957901
I mean hey, you do you. Not for me though. I prefer plantigrade slut trash.

>>51957889
>He's the kind of person who finds a piece of character art that he likes and build something to fit it

Hey, I do that too!

>>51957883

Didn't Guild Wars 2 have an extremely cringeworthy "main cast" of heroes?

>>51957920
A lot of us do. It's why I have delicious brown punchgirl app for dragon2.

Thinking about running an 18+ Wrath of the Righteous game, probably leaning a little bit more on the side of the geopolitical shenanigans and the plans of the kingdoms and tribes around the Worldwound.

Probably use those rules for leading troops and organizations.

Anyone interested?

The catch is that it'd have to run on Wednesday.

>>51957955
>Anyone interested?

I'd totally be interested, especially if it's got a focus on the Kellid side of the story.

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What's the best PoW discipline to emulate the kind of trash talk that can get you an upper hand before a brawl? I'm leaning Golden Lion, but I also want to put Intimidate to good use.

>>51958010
Eternal Guardian/Black Seraph have some intimidate shenanigans.

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>>51957955

>Wrath of the Righteous campaign centered around the struggles of the Not!Celts as they try to retake their blighted, violated homeland

We Dark Souls now? If some of the stories associated with the Kellid struggle in the Worldwound are any indication, they'd totally be the types to have Abyss Watchers.

>>51957955
You would find players for it easily, the one that closed yesterday picked up 40+ apps so you've got 30ish people floating around ready to apply.

>>51957941

Where's the link to that game, anywho.

I really need a new character sheet. Anybody got suggestions? I'd prefer something online.

>>51958075

Myth-Weavers has an excellent character sheet template you can fill out and store on their website!

>>51958075
Is Mythweaver no good?

>>51958069
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70319/of-dragons-and-men-dot-dot-dot-and-more-dragons

>>51958099

Thanks!

>>51958091
>>51958088
I've tried Mythweavers and frankly I'm not huge on it. Their pathfinder sheet isn't conductive to playing a brutal slayer.

>>51957889
No no, that's good! That's a good thing that your player does! I was just suggesting to take a look if he specifically didn't care and was shaping around a build of some kind.

>>51957955
I'm leery that you have to specify 18+ here. We're already 18+, so are you just referring to the kind of game you want to run and not the players you want?

>>51958167
Not the DM but I've assumed for ages that any mention of 18+ here referred to an ERP game.

>>51957973
>>51958044
>>51958045

Okay, I'm glad there's instant interest but there is /one/ concern.

Which is that I've never actually GMed Pathfinder. I've done lots of other games, from the various 40K RPGs to lots of Shadowrun and oWoD, so crunchy systems and overpowered PCs don't bother me. So for the sake of running a good game, what should I brush up on?

>>51958167
Content, obviously. I sort of imagine it being a little Game of Thrones in terms of the T&A. A little sexposition here, a major character owning a brothel there.

>>51958075
I think I prefer these sheets over everything I've used bar none, but they're not web forms or anything. If you have a Google Drive folder shared between your devices you'd have it there, though.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/rpgdownloads.php?do=download&downloadid=1041

>>51958191
So a normal game that anyone over like 15 runs?

>>51958191
>So for the sake of running a good game, what should I brush up on?

Assuming you know the ins and outs of the system?

Please please *please* gorge on the lore of the region and the basic snippets on the various major ethnicities. Putting those little touches can turn a serviceable game into a great game.

>>51958138
The thing is, he said both races can fit the image (I have him over for a session-0 type deal) and that he could go both ways.

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>>51956414

I really cannot see fractured shadows being a final clause given that it staggers you. It should be a greater clause at most.

Likewise, into the night's shadow walk effect is too tame for a final clause; that could be a lesser clause, and it would not be out of place.

>>51958213
I guess I also don't mind if people do ERP during side-sessions, if there's the odd mainstream fetish like prostitution, lesbians, genderbending and handholding between a boy and a girl. I probably won't be GMing lawful paladin dickings finishing off the arc bosses though.

>>51958191
DMing isn't as bad as you'd think, not when you have an adventure path walking you through with stuff. You don't even need to be particularly great with system mastery, just understand the basics of all the relevant rulesets, any group that doesn't have someone in it that covers all the rules for them will never suffer for their ignorance.

As the other anon said, read up on the setting. Some useful books are Inner Sea Gods, The Worldwound, and Lost Kingdoms. I think they're all in the OP.

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>>51958255

Any fat-chested shield-maiden types the party could woo and waifu, or big dashing Paladin hunks to sweep us off our feet?

>>51958232
Well, it's up to him what flavor he wants. We can tell you that Tiefling is an overall more powerful race, but it's not dramatically so.

It's also not a matter of true *outclassing* even if one is overall better. With a Charisma focus and a Cha-adapted Magus, he'd get a little different roleplaying opportunities (I forget if they have more than just Intimidate as Charisma-based class skills, but Use Magic Device is useful anyway), but far fewer skill points. The character would also have a very different personality, too, obviously.

>>51958289
Unfortunately for you the shield-maiden has an average bust size and is very tall (6'4") and so feels like her chest size is underwhelming and is angsty about it. Especially next to the tittymonster bard.

Paladin hunks guaranteed 100%. Also come in half-orc and dwarven bearlet edition.

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>>51958320
>Especially next to the tittymonster bard.

Say what now?

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>>51958353
>doesn't have tittymonster Cha 18 bards in his party

>>51958369

I don't feel comfortable with that. She's going to put an eye out with one of those things.

>>51958369

I just think having a bardic girl with huge breasts in the middle of Rapeville is kind of dangerous!

I want to play as a minotaur, which book should I get?

>>51957401
I wish there were more bug races. I wanted to play a monstrous race once just for the novelty. I usually pay humans. You? I'd love a naga constrictor race

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Tell me which /pfg/ meme character you think would make the best waifu/husbando.

>>51958409
I don't know anything about /pfg/ meme characters. I wish I did.

>Making Rory the Skinwalker Slayer/Spiritualist for dragon game
>Putting the finishing touches on the mythweavers sheet
>Be satisfied with it
>Hit exit
>Forget that I forgot to save
>Get confirmation that I want to leave
>hit "leave this page"
>lose all my progress
>starting over now

life is pain

>>51958427
PFFFFFFT FT FT FT

>>51957484
>Susurex, the Crystal King, is infamous in Osirion's Glazen Sheets as both a brutal dictator and an amoral researcher.
Was he driven to betray his own kind because he lacked the stone scales of immortality?

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>>51958427

Now you can play "fill in the blank" all over again!

should i just literally make forte for dragongame?

>>51958441

No, he's just an asshole.

And a pervert.

And a bitch.

>>51958441
No, but he's still basically Seath.

>>51958449
>>51958439

Fuck.

Well, help me out here. I'm planning on using Riven Hourglass and Primal Fury. What stuff do I want from those disciplines?

>>51958465
Do it. Use Rage of Bahamut and not Granblue art please.

>>51957672
Oh no, someone doesn't want to play a braindead easy choice.

You know, Touhou, there's ways to play a game besides the most optimal, you know?

>>51958191
I'd definitely be down, I've got a character I've been itching to try out in a WotR game.

Also, like other anons have suggested, read up on the essential lore for the region. Having that extra level of detail on-hand makes things feel a lot smoother. Also, learn the Mythic rules.

>>51958422
Actually, I didn't! Wow. As evidenced by the rest of the list, it was pretty obvious. Thank you for these insights, namefag.

>>51958468
>No, but he's still basically Seath.

>Susurex, the self-styled Crystal King, is an adult blue dragon who has made the Glazen Sheets region in the Osirian Desert his solitary domain. Susurex has dedicated his life to researching the mysterious origins of the region. He established his lair in a crystalline formation as large as a castle that rises in the center of the Glazen Sheets. The dragon has enslaved hundreds of poor Yerbira and unsuspecting caravaneers, who now toil within and beneath the crystalline tower. Susurex's experiments aim to help him uncover the nature of Glazen Sheets. He believes that such knowledge would enable him to bring the whole of Osirion under his control, with the threat to apply the same process throughout the land.

>Lives in a giant-ass crystal archive full of failed experiments and research projects
>Is kind of blue
>Sounds like a huge asshole, and a bitch

I really, really want to make a character intimately connected with Susurex for Dragons 2 now, just so we have a chance to hunt him down and beat his pasty ass.

>>51958513
>how does it feeeeeeel, susurex?
>to be a bitch?

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>>51958465
I kind of want to make Literally Fae because Fae is adorable, but I don't think making a childlike character for a lewd game is a good idea.

>>51958483
so make her a tief rather than doraf?

>>51958538
>Fae
You have excellent taste.

>>51958496
Let's please not do this again, okay?

It derailed like three threads in a row and 2hu learned nothing.

>>51958538
Do you know where you are right now? Do it.

>>51958538
>I kind of want to make Literally Fae because Fae is adorable

Make a smug Huldra woman who is absurdly sensitive about her hollow back.

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>>51958509

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/51957072/#51958422

Friendly reminder that this is now DSP's official stance!

>Taveena
>> lesbians
>> fetish
>You know that lesbians actually EXIST, right. It's possible to play one without the dice being any stickier than a het romance.

>>51958547
>that 'Yep!' every time you select her in FE: H

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>>51958395

I usually just roll with baseline humans as well. Though looking back, a surprising number of them ended up fairly monstrous for one reason or another. For my next character, I might just skip the initial step and play a monster race. Haven't really thought enough about it to want a particular kind, though.

>>51958513

>The great wyrm red dragon Daralathyxl is with little doubt one of the most powerful dragons in all of Golarion. So powerful is he that he is known as the "Sixth King of the Mountains", a reference to the Five Kings Range where he has made his home on the border between Andoran and the dwarven controlled Five Kings Mountains. Daralathyxl has haunted this part of the world since 3001 AR and is estimated to be over 2,000 years old. While less and less active with each passing century, only a fool believes his power diminished. Whenever his inactivity causes rumours of his death, he seems to re-emerge, venting his fiery wrath across all of southern Avistan. Daralathyxl has rampaged across Andoran, Isger and Druma, and demands tribute in the form of virgin maidens (especially elven girls), mounds of coins, and priceless treasures. Those who have to placate this mighty dragon refer to him as "king", "emperor" or even "god", for he repays any slight with fire and death.

So we've got Seath *and* Smaug.

>>51958570
1. Taveena doesn't work with DSP, she works with FFS.
2. "Official" nothing, have you never accidentally left a name on?
3. Fuck off, you're cancer.

>>51958568
Anon, I already did that!

how did you know it was me

>>51958570
BWAHAHAHA

>>51958418
Each of the RotJR groups has some good ones, though it depends on if you want someone mature and collected (which seems to be mostly SotJR's schtick), passionate and fond of grand theatrics, or some male version of a shrinking violet.

>>51958542
I mean GM already said dorafs aren't actually usable, but yes.

>>51958570
Man, do you just spend all day trying to detail threads or something?

>>51958570
Wow, you're stupid.

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>>51958590
>1. Taveena doesn't work with DSP, she works with FFS.

Taveena works for BOTH.

>>51958559
A place where people will try and lewd the dragon child?

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>>51958593

Because Valka was a great character, and I think she deserves to live again.

>>51958619
You're still not "friendly", your images are annoying and ruin anyone else's chances of using them, and you seem to exist solely to stir shit. Fuck off.

>>51958538
Isn't that the Etrian Odyssey artist?

>>51958629
Isn't that the point?

>>51958570
Yeah, that was me forgetting to turn my tripcode off. ENTIRELY Unofficially, as a lesbian myself, it does kinda suck to be lumped in with genderbending as 'a fetish' - sure, some people DO fetishize it, but referring to my sexuality as a whole as a fetish is just kinda unpleasant.

I'm not actually employed by DSP, just doing some freelance stuff. I don't represent their views.

>>51958638
:3

Someday, maybe!

>>51958638
RIP Witch ;_;7

>>51958638
I second this, adorable!

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>>51958570
Are you contesting those facts or something? How is that even a "stance"?

>>51958570
>>51958619
Spread the news far and wide! THEIR COVER IS BLOWN!
>>51958666
BURN THE WITCH!

>>51958682
>>51958619
>>51958570
>Being a samefag

>>51958655
That is the exact opposite of the point.

>>51958654
Yes, as far as I know. The new FE mobage has a lot of crossover art.

>>51958672
>>51958675
this is flattering and all but who the fuck are you people

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>>51958694
Being this White knight'y, It's a lesbian dude. It won't fuck you!

>>51958568

>Smug Huldra woman who rescued a young Kellid boy from demons
>While taking him back to friendly lines, she learns a thing or two about what it means to be human
>Decides to do something about the demon problem when they're inside Mendev

Optional: the child is an orphan and she's his "mother" now, or the boy's father is a widower and she's starting to get all friendly with the dad.

>>51958716

Some people rather liked hearing about those adventures, is all.

So, I get that a weapon or armor's enhancement bonus gives it extra hardness/HP. What happens when a special quality of the weapon can increase its enhancement bonus? Like Bane or Furious for example (assuming the condition is met for them). Do you just use the base enhancement, or the boosted +s?

>>51958602
Any chance I could get a basic rundown on them?

>>51958746
Well, that's always good to hear. I very much enjoyed playing Valka, too!

>>51958721
Behold...the reason why We aren't allowed to have nince things.

>>51958586
In what way are they monstrous? Like, ridiculously powerful? Describe your characters!

>>51958610
any ideas on how to obtain a drugun to ride?

>>51958716
One of your other players. RIP Shieldthrowing

>>51958753

-Thrune bow to them
-In contact with Aroden
-Possess psychic-like abilities
-Control Taldor with an iron but fair fist
-Own castles & banks globally
-Direct descendants of the ancient Azlanti blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities on Azlant
-Own 99% of magical academies on Golarion
-both parties said to have 1000+ IQ, such intelligence on Golarion has only existed deep among the Veiled Masters & Hermea
-Ancient Vuldran scriptures tell of two groups of celestials who will descend upon Golarion and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
-They own Numerian nanite labs around the world
-You likely have Casbots inside you right now
-The parties are in regular communication with the goddesses Milani and Iomedae, forwarding the word of the Glorious Reclamation and Shining Crusade.
-They learned fluent Thassilonian in under a week
-Dragons entrust their gold reserves with the group.
-The group is about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base humanoid currently accepted by our society
-In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

>>51958833
AFAIK all the ways to get drake mounts are pretty shitty. Ask the GM if you could somehow gestalt this class?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/dragonrider/

>>51958795
People said the same thing about people who talked shit at PoW devs and they'll say the same thing when people are mean to the devs of the next shiny thing that comes along after people stop giving a shit about the avowed.

>>51958833
Is 3rd-party allowed, or just 1st?

>>51958871
3rd.

>>51958857
i don't think that would be tooo out there

>>51958863
There's a difference between shit-talking (which is expected and assumed, and devs who are turned-off by that need to get thicker skin), and actively attempting to stir drama just to draw attention to yourself while still being "anonymous" because you're a pathetic waste of skin who's done nothing of note with their lives.

>>51958895
Try the Draconic Avenger vigilante archetype from N.Jolly; it gives you a Drake that actually functions as opposed to being shitty like the official Paizo archetypes.

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>>51958837

She's catching frisbees in Valhalla!

>>51958908
where can i find that?

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>>51958932
Right here, since I don't actually have the real product yet. Can someone dump that?

>>51958753
I haven't been following the logs that closely, but going mostly by the applications...

Casimir
>DILF
>Neat beard
>Capable
>Potential for healing his broken heart (His dead wife)

Corwin
>Chill, laid-back
>Has plenty of stories
>Musician
>Fun to hang out with, maybe smoke pipeweed with

Seht
>Small
>Cute
>More worldly than he might seem at first
>Exotic

Etan
>Slender, lean build
>Pretty blue-eyed blond
>Potential for healing his broken heart (Nualia)
>Literal animal in bed

Rubio
>Seems the type to make classic gestures like flowers or poems
>Earnest, if a little chuuni about his knighthood
>Kind of a grandstanding himbo if you're into that
>Slightly less pretty blue-eyed blond

Sweettooth
>Cool under pressure
>Endearing in a nervous, spaghetti-dropping kind of way
>Small, though slightly less cute
>Dat agile tail

>>51957955
Important question. If I play a CE Qlippoth-Spawn Tiefling, are my odds of getting picked 0% or greater than 0%.

>>51958955
It didn't go into Legendary Villains: Vigilantes in the end, much like Mercurial Duelist. I don't rightly know what book it went into in fact.

>>51958837
>RIP shieldthrowing

That makes two of us.

>>51958970
Maybe it went into... what is it called, Crimson Archetypes? The book that is a thinly-veiled 3rd-party companion to Curse of the Crimson Throne?

>>51958962
It's a question of your concept, and how they mesh with the party, really.

I'm always leery of evil alignments other than NE (with a grudge against the main villain) or LE (who has an established relationship with a party member).

I've never seen CE done right.

>>51958575
>Her adorable "RAWR!" when she attacks as a fluffy murder-chicken

>>51958998
Sounds like at least 1% to me.

>>51958962

You have to understand that for most GMs CE tends to be a red flag that you're in for the kind of shit CN gets up to only worse, so you're fighting a very uphill battle since the deck is stacked in favor of CE being disruptive and unreliable in a group dynamic.

>>51958998
>I've never seen CE done right.

I've seen it done right! You just have to play a wild, bloodthirsty bitch, but the party are your packmates dammit and the four of you gotta stick together.

Doesn't even have to be that copout of "well, I make more money working with you guys" so many people do. The Chaotic Evil sticks around and plays by the rules because he or she genuinely enjoys the company of the party, and wants to stick around them.

>>51958961
>[dat spoiler]

Intriguing. I wish to hear more.

>>51959043
Why does that example you gave sound familiar?

>>51959049
>I wish to hear more.

Etan and Rubio spitroasted Shayliss, Etan was working her from behind while Rubio worked the throat. When Shayliss got Rubio on the ground so she could get on top of him, she wriggled her rear at Etan and suggested he stick it up her ass for some DP.

Etan, in typical fashion, was confused. You're not supposed to stick dicks up butts, that's just silly.

>>51959069
Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

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>>51959064

I wonder.

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>>51959069
>Etan and Rubio spitroasted Shayliss

I hope you mean literally.

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>>51959098
Not exactly.

>>51959069
You have that backwards, actually.

Rubio was pounding her and spouting corny lines, and Etan was totally stunned until she wiggled up and ripped his pants off and made him spitroast her. THEN she told him to try the back

>>51959089
No seriously, I swear someone like that was memed before but I can't remember who.

>>51959128

Getting fucked from behind when you want to go somewhere sounds like a very awkward and unsexy shuffle.

>>51959129

It was years ago, friend. A different time, a different age.

>>51959160
It wasn't even years ago! It was just this fall, wasn't it?

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>>51959172

Yes... Yes it was, though the memery was in full swing in Spring!

>>51959127
>eiffel tower
What did he mean by this?

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>>51958813

More in a transhumanist sense, though acquiring power was certainly a motivation for some of them. The alchemist made himself into a monster because he believed that human souls shouldn't be limited by the natural evolution of human flesh. Though he ultimately concluded that his ideas of artificial apotheosis were flawed, and chose to let his research die with him, focusing instead on being a good doctor and adoptive father.

>>51959202

Two dudes standing, supporting the girl between them.

>>51959049

As I understand it, he's a literal animal everywhere else as well.

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>>51959211
>Though he ultimately concluded that his ideas of artificial apotheosis were flawed, and chose to let his research die with him, focusing instead on being a good doctor and adoptive father.

>>51959229
Amazing. Positively amazing.

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>>51957174
Why not just use the Wendiabe cervid person race anon made, except with Perennial Horn as permanent, and Short Stock as being sexually dimorphic

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Let us see what we can do with the Hellfire Talent feat and the new Overcharge Modulation feat as a 5th-level avowed, shall we? Since the betrothed's damage output is still being revised, we will avoid the betrothed for now.

If I have committed any errors in this build, please let me know.

Level: 5th
Race: Penitent (Humble origins [+2 Dexterity and Intelligence], tempting visage)
Class: Avowed (any pact will do)

Key Ability Score: Dexterity 23 = base 18 + racial 2 + level advancement 1 + enhancement 2

Key Equipment: Belt of incredible dexterity +2 (4,000 gp)

Traits:
Combat: Reactionary
Race: Reborn (maenad)
Social: Student of Philosophy

Feats:
Penitent: Hellfire Talent
1st-level: Overcharge Modulation
Avowed 2: Fiendskin
3rd-level: Point Blank Shot
5th-level: Precise Shot

Shapes: Aether barrage ×3, one other shape depending on pact

Least Clauses: Lifeleech pulse, any four other least clauses

Initiative:
6 Dexterity modifier
+2 Reactionary
Total: +8

Aether Barrage Attacks:
1 attack from BAB
1 attack from aether barrage
Total Attacks: 2

Range: 100 feet + 50 feet from caster level = 150 feet

Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
3 BAB
+6 Dexterity modifier
+1 Hellfire Talent
+1 Small size
Total: +11/+11, targets touch AC, ignores wind walls

Aether Barrage Damage:
3d8 betrothed aether pulse
+2d8 Overcharge Modulation
+6 Dexterity modifier
+5 Hellfire Talent
+2 maenad FCB
Total: 5d8+13 (average 35.5), ignores damage reduction

Initiative +8. The avowed launches two 150-foot ranged touch attacks at +11/+11. If both attacks are regular hits, that will result in an average of 71 damage, enough to kill a typical CR 6:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

None of this takes any prep time or resource expenditures at all.

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>>51959323

Other highlights of the build include:
• Fiendskin: Given the right outsider, resist 5 cold and fire
• Four other least clauses, which can be like hidden knowledge (+6 bonus to all Knowledge checks and make them untrained), sightseer (see in all darkness perfectly and see invisiblity), or silver tongue (+6 bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks)
• Whatever the pact actually gives, including an attunement, a sense, a bonus shape, and a 4th-level empowerment

I am fairly sure thata 5th-level character killing a CR 6 with no prep time, no resource expenditures, and an extremely high success rate is fairly out-of-line, especially when that character still has an impressive amount of noncombat utility.

>>51959211
That's legit. I dig that kinda shit.

>>51959323
>we will avoid the betrothed for now.
>3d8 betrothed aether pulse
You might want to actually rebuild things when you do this sort of change, instead of just copy/pasting.

You know, as I'm building this Phantom Blade//Brutal Slayer, I realize.

Technically, it would be possible to switch-hit between using unarmed strikes and the phantom-falchion that Phantom Blade grants. Use Primal Fury with the Falchion and Broken Blade with unarmed strikes. I can even fluff it as his werewolf grandmother's phantom claws forming around his hands

>>51959323
Cool, good to know, looks like they'll want to adjust some of these things!

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>>51959352

I still have some copy and paste errors in these files, as you can see.

>>51958409
Song Lilin from back in the OG RotJR waiting game days.

>>51959323
Do you have numbers accounting for accuracy? DPR might actually be on the low side now, depending on those rolls. We're fairly happy with those numbers as the high end of damage, but how reliable that is also matters quite a bit.

>>51959323
Betrothed is present in your damage, but you said you were avoiding it, no? Or am I missing something?

>>51957072
>What do you think of /pfg/'s official draph stats? They get +4 Strength and Powerful Build!
What the fuck is a draph?

>>51959452
literal waifu race from some shitty phone game

>>51959323
>>51959332
Pastebin
Name
Trip
You have so many options that aren't "Single-handedly turn the thread from 50 to 90% autism."

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>>51958409
There's a reason she was basically the new /pfg/ golden girl. Multiple reasons, in fact:
>muscles
>low-grade monstergirl
>scars
>strong arms
>busty
>rock-hard abs
>pleasantly thicc [sic]
>good cook
>oaken thighs
>bold, brash, fun-loving, loud, just one of the guys
>sweet and wise and girly underneath it all
>god damn insatiable
>did I mention the muscles?

>>51959429
The link at the bottom of his post has median and mean stats for monsters at each CR, including touch. It shows easily that these attacks only miss on a 1.

Touch attacks are really good.

>>51958409
DHB, the person, not his characters.

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>>51959463
Hey now! They're a husbando race too!

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>>51959429

+11 touch attacks will generally hit most monsters on a natural 2+, as you can see here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

>>51959441

Yes, the build avoids the betrothed entirely; mentioning the betrothed is simply a copy and paste error.

Wanna play kineticist for pathfinder, what is the best archetype?

>>51959548
Archetype your neck through a noose.

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>>51959429
>>51959542

Also, if you act high enough in initiative, you could very target flat-footed touch AC.

>>51959429
One thing to remember with any 2hu build is that the accuracy will generally be much higher than it would otherwise. The relevant stat is always absolutely maxed out + a +2 race + stat item as early as possible. Earlier builds of the avowed have all involved being a tiny insect using one of the clauses for the additional dex and +2 from size to the attack as well, for example.

This isn't in and of itself a bad thing but it has to be noted. 2hu's builds are generally at the ceiling of what one can achieve if ALL the choices are made towards that ability. 2hu's work is actually pretty useful IF you keep in mind that it's the far fringe extremes, and that things will likely never go further.

>>51959548

3rd party allowed or not? As that changes it dramatically.

>>51959488
>>51959542
Alright. Thank you very much. The numbers will likely be brought down slightly due to the Hellfire Talent nerf, but it will likely not be enough to reduce the DPR significantly. As absolute high-end optimization goes, this is fairly close to the balance level we're aiming for.

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>>51959608

I do not think it is particularly unreasonable to have Dexterity modifier +6 at 5th-level.

Starting with Dexterity 17 or 18 (on a class build that needs absolutely no score but Dexterity), placing level advancements in Dexterity, and wearing a belt of incredible dexterity +2 does not take that much effort.

It is not uncommon to see Unchained rogues do the exact same thing and have Dexterity modifier +6 by 5th-level.

>>51959548
Kinetic Knight and Blood Kineticist are the best 1pp kineticist archetypes. Kinetic Knight gives you a ton of free form infusions, heavy armor proficiency, and the ability to use a shield along with your kinetic blade. Blood kineticist turns you into a blood-bender.

>>51959630
>2hu is getting everything fun about the avowed nerfed
Why

>>51959691
Wow anon, why do you have to witchhunt like that! Surely 2hu does nothing wrong!

>>51959691
Has Otyugh Pact been nerfed!?

>>51959631
But except for your attacks the class is generally charisma or strength(with feat) based. There are also many other items, it's not guaranteed at all that someone will pick, or even GET to obtain, a +2 stat item by level 5.

One thing I've been thinking though is that perhaps steel's betrayal is too big a change: it's a doubled deadly-aim. It's a very large bonus for a single feat, one that may be causing the rest of the class trouble due to the disparity in damage if one does not take it.

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>>51959741

It is fully possible to avoid Charisma entirely as an avowed, so that one can concentrate on Dexterity, Constitution, and Intelligence instead.

>>51959691
Hellfire Talent was inordinately strong as a feat choice compared to other DPR increasing options. 2hu has posted valuable data for high-end optimization.

>>51959709
Otyugh Pact hasn't undergone any changes in a while.

>>51959741
Steel's Betrayal hasn't been a problem so far in theorycrafting, though if you have evidence (anecdotal or mathy, whatever works) to the contrary, we'd be happy to hear it.

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>>51959817
>Otyugh Pact hasn't undergone any changes in a while.
Oh thank god. Don't you fucking touch my trashdog.

>>51959709
Why does Otyugh pact need to get nerfed? Don't take my fun away you fuck!

>>51958961
Wasn't Shizuka or whatever also a meme for a while by being another fucking Kaijitsu?

>>51959858
Yeah. I don't know how things turned out in PbP, but she looked like a more competent and friendly version of your typical shut-in nerd girl, vaguely Tomoko-esque.

>>51959741
A few quick examples: because a bad floor can easily be worse than a high ceiling:

A level 5 human avowed that put 16/16 in their DEX/CHA, and put their racial on CHA (because that's what the class is supposedly heavy on, and things like save DCs do use it as can some attunement effects) for an 18.

At level 5, Barrage III will net them 2 ranged touches of 3d8+4. Now this setup is what you can consider quite baseline. It LOOKS good to new players (3d8+4 twice), and hasn't touched the important stuff yet. For people that don't know how to optimize, given how it's still fairly early game, this would not be surprising.

Well that averages 35 if both hit. In fact if both attack roll all 7s for damage that's JUST under a CR5's 52 health total.

Now let's take a more reasonable veteran player approach. ONE of the two feats (not that they won't eventually get both, but we're level 5 here; it's very easy for people to have taken something else for a more rounded character early on).

Overcharge modulation at this level grants +2 dice. Both attacks are now 5d8+4. This sets the two attacks average damage at JUST enough (53 vs 52) to take down an equal CR's median HP.

Steel's Betrayal at this level instead grants -4 to hit and +8 to damage. 3d8+12. That's a little worse; 51 for both hits and with an accuracy penalty to boot; and not a small one either. With +3 dex, 3 BAB, maybe another +2 from other sources, that 8 would become a 4... even against touch AC that isn't great. Hell, Steel's betrayal was avoided in your example up there for a reason, right?

The hellfire feat; I'm okay with for the most part. It should be tempting, since it's basically damning your character. One of the biggest mistakes made in games where you can screw yourself is making "the dark side" weaker. The old Star Wars d20 game had that issue with dark side points, where except for a short specific level range where it was one more die, it was weaker than light side.

>>51959817
Anecdotally I'm seein' it in all of 2hu's builds.

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Now that Hellfire Talent is to be downgraded as well, let us see what we can still do with the new Overcharge Modulation feat.

Level: 5th
Race: Tiefling (Small size, prehensile tail, scaled skin, underworld guide)
Class: Avowed (any pact will do)

Key Ability Score: Dexterity 23 = base 18 + racial 2 + level advancement 1 + enhancement 2

Key Equipment: Belt of incredible dexterity +2 (4,000 gp)

Traits:
Combat: Reactionary
Race: Reborn (maenad)
Social: Student of Philosophy

Feats:
1st-level: Overcharge Modulation
Avowed 2: Point Blank Shot
3rd-level: Precise Shot
5th-level: Merciful Pulse

Shapes: Aether barrage ×3, one other shape depending on pact

Least Clauses: Dusk pulse, any four other least clauses

Initiative:
6 Dexterity modifier
+2 underworld guide
+2 Reactionary
Total: +10

Aether Barrage Attacks:
1 attack from BAB
1 attack from aether barrage
Total Attacks: 2

Range: 100 feet + 70 feet from caster level = 170 feet

Aether Barrage Attack Bonus:
3 BAB
+6 Dexterity modifier
+1 Small size
Total: +10/+10, targets touch AC, ignores wind walls

Aether Barrage Damage:
4d8 aether pulse with Merciful Pulse
+2d8 Overcharge Modulation
+6 Dexterity modifier
+2 maenad FCB
Total: 6d8+8 (average 35), ignores damage reduction, can deal lethal or nonlethal damage, does not actually have to go through spell resistance due to Overcharge Modulation

Initiative +10. The avowed launches two 170-foot ranged touch attacks at +10/+10, probably against flat-footed enemies. If both attacks are regular hits, that will result in an average of 70 damage, enough to kill a typical CR 6 depending on hit points:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3

None of this takes any prep time or resource expenditures at all.

>>51959905
*most

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>>51959918

Other highlights of the build include:
• Four other least clauses, which can be like hidden knowledge (+6 bonus to all Knowledge checks and make them untrained), sightseer (see in all darkness perfectly and see invisiblity), or silver tongue (+6 bonus to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate checks)
• Whatever the pact actually gives, including an attunement, a sense, a bonus shape, and a 4th-level empowerment

This 5th-level character is still one-turn-killing CR 6s with pairs of attacks that hit on a natural 2+. The most optimal possible 5th-level archer inquisitor would be hard-pressed to do the same, even with a round of prep time and several resource expenditures.

>>51959817
I wouldn't do something so crass as do more than worry if all I had was anecdotal.

It can add up to, what, -12 to hit and +24 to damage? Once your BAB and bonuses are high, for an RTA that's basically nothing, while early on it's a massive penalty (level 4-6 is probably the worst time to have it accuracy-wise I suspect).

So I'm thinking anyone with their heads screwed on tightly is going to avoid it like the plague early on because it makes them miss, and by level 12, the penalty's just an empty threat because you're still attacking touch.

>>51959905
The one up there in this thread doesn't have it, but if you think about it, those +11s would become +7s at that level. Despite the increase in per-hit damage, suddenly going from hitting on 2+ to needing 5+ is quite the hit to your to-hit.

2hu. Honestly. If you're actually reading anything in this thread: Use a pastebin. This shit doesn't just eat up the post limit for a thread, it's really intimidating for anybody who comes here and isn't already raging at you.

I myself only started coming to /pfg/ again when I found out about RotJR. Please just back it down.

>>51959905
As it's intended to be a counterpart to Power Attack, that's not particularly surprising for a build focused on DPR.

>>51959955
We'll run some numbers on accuracy.

>>51959955
>>51960068
Yeah, problem with attacks that target touch is that touch never fucking scales. Even above CR20, it's rare to see anything with over 15.

>>51958984
Intrigue Archetypes. Not in there.

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>the only thing that ever has good touch is a PC specifically made to have a high touch

Really makes me think

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>>51960068
>>51960124

One drastic rebalancing that might take a good deal of developer math is to revamp all touch attack aether pulses (including aether blows and shapes) into regular attacks instead, albeit with a higher damage output.

Balancing the damage output of touch attacks is incredibly difficult, and as others have pointed out, Steel's Betrayal only really affects your iterative attacks after a certain point.

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>>51960169
Danmaku must defeat danmaku!

>>51960184
>tfw you might wind up with 30+ touch in the future
What can men do against such reckless faggotry?

>>51960170
We will never do that. One major appeal of the Warlock's Eldritch Blast was that it targeted touch AC, and we will keep that legacy strong with Aether Pulse.

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>>51959918

>3rd-level: Precise Shot
>5th-level: Merciful Pulse

Now that I think about it, these two should be swapped. At 3rd-level, +2d8 damage from Merciful Pulse synergizing with Overcharge Modulation is too good to pass up.

>>51960217

Clearly, then, Steel's Betrayal will need a revision. Is Steel's Betrayal confirmed to be on the to-revamp list, alongside Hellfire Talent?

Should I buy 100gp worth of board games, dominoes, and playing cards?

>>51960284
Only if you have the carrying capacity.

>>51960315
Yes but I'll have 100gp worth of board games, dominos, and playing cards! It's a winning situation!

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>>51960334
Update time for "100gp worth of entertainment!"

I bought a lap dog. Pic related. What should I name her? I have 14gp worth of tennis balls.

>>51960407
Emergency rations.

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Here is Psionics Augmented: Psychic Warrior:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbzvu86mwfx5fok/Psionics%20Augmented%20-%20Psychic%20Warrior.pdf?dl=0

To be forthright, this is a rather boring product. It is missing the two actually interesting archetypes from the playtest, the pain sculptor and the silhouette.

All we are left with is the halo knight, the reaver, three paths, a disguise-based power that is not even on the psychic warrior list (I imagine it is for a reaver to poach?), three insultingly narrow psionic powers that only function on other animus-users.

Oh, and the layout of the PDF is permanently in a two-page spread. Forrest could stand to correct this.

This product is a disappointing disaster. Would anyone care to look it over for nonfunctional and/or ambiguous mechanics, like those present in Psionics Augmented: Psicrystals Expanded?

On the off-chance that you would like to legitimately purchase Psionics Augmented: Psychic Warrior regardless, you can wait until it appears on the Dreamscarred Press web store or DriveThruRPG. The former will give Dreamscarred Press the full cut of the sale.

>>51960428
NO!

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

THIS DOG IS FOR CUTE THINGS! AND CUDDLING! ABSOLUTELY NOT FOR EATING.

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actually, avowed reminds me: Is the new Aether Channel effect intentionally done so that it doesn't bypass any DR? Because it using Greater Magic Weapon as a base means it doesn't get to bypass any DR, save maybe Magic. I also assume that it won't stack with existing enhancement bonuses on a weapon?

Wow. That's... Wow. Way to fucking go.

>>51960407

Lily? Sheffa? Mina? SUPREMACY?

>>51960535
Hrm. "Supreme Destroyer" for just a tiny, cute little puppy dog! That sounds great!

>>make character for Dragons 2
>>Never get memes
>>every thread, get told your character is the exact opposite of what's wanted.

I'm really getting the feeling I should just pull my application at this point.

Anybody still got the LK2 playtest doc?

>>51960567
Which character's yours, anon? It sounds as though people are just being jackasses rather than actually giving advice.

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>>51960428

>>51960574
I made Errakus. Nobody is saying anything directly, since then I'd be referenced, but as soon as I made my bio, SE started talking about burly martial man team, which caught on here, so my chances feel like nil at this point. I don't have a sheet yet, so no effort has been really wasted.

Also, the apps that do get memes aren't even dragons! What's the point of calling it Dragon Game if the most popular characters (which will undoubtedly get in) aren't dragons?

BIRDS

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>>51960671

What about them?

>>51960715
Tell me which bird race in PF is best.

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>>51960671
This is my favourite tengu art. There isn't much of them actually looking cool.

>>51960450
>It is missing the two actually interesting archetypes from the playtest, the pain sculptor and the silhouette.
Didn't we already know those weren't going to make it in? Unfortunately they were also the only interesting things about the entire playtest.

God that layout is fucking disgusting though.

>>51960757
Tengu are pretty cool. Sword-trained is a pretty amazing trait, since swords are the best class of weapon (and include the f a l c a t a).

>>51959817
Have you thought about making Elemental Pact's Consolation Flare once per round per creature instead of a flat once per round? Flat once per round feels very lackluster when the pact encourages using multitarget blasting shapes.

>>51960467
I agree, the stacking with existing weapon enhancements needs to be clarified.
If people want any special abilities on their weapon at all that's still the initial +1 enhancement 'wasted' due to overlap.

>players travel to a new continent
>continent has 0 contact with the one they were on for a number of reasons
>they find they landed in a empire in transition
>apparently a massive rebellion ended 4 years ago
>the rebellion was so bloody 80% of the able bodied male population died in the 20 year conflict
>in the last battle a hundred thousand men died
>entire empire has a massive deficit of men
>completely fucked up their economy and how the empire functions
>players immediately jump on me because this is apparently "magical realm"

I don't understand.

>>51960450
>>51960760

The current two archetypes really ran into the problem of 'they inherently weren't as interesting so they didn't get as many eyes on them'.

>>51960760
>Didn't we already know those weren't going to make it in?
Since when?

>>51960789
Your magical realm is post WW2 Russia, anon.

I'll get the ushanka and kvass.

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>>51960789
Stop inserting your magical realm into everything, anon

>>51960770
Free exotic weapon proficiency isn't amazing, or rare for a race, or difficult to get as an item. A cracked Opalescent White Pyramid is 1,500gp for weapon familiarity, and if you're taking ANYTHING that has a Weapon Focus prerequisite, you need to get this item anyway for its joint effect with a Wayfinder (500gp) saving you an otherwise garbage feat slot. Comparatively to an EWP race or Tengu, a human would be upgrading from Exotic Weapon Proficiency to a feat that actually provides meaningful effect.

>>51960804
Pain sculptor was directly taken out of the playtest, and announced in the thread.

Silhouette not making it in is a disappointment, though.

>>51960789
It's your players.
All they see is a whole kingdom that is now primarily female, needy, desperate, and knows it.

Is Dex to damage actually as powerful as we think of it being? Especially for Maguses? If you drop that 20 Dex to an 18 and just bump your Strength up with the 7 point buy you get back, you won't really be so much worse off. Is the ~3 damage you gain actually worth the extra feat after Weapon Finesse, especially when most of the damage is coming from elsewhere? Weapon Specialization is supposedly fucking garbage right?

>>51960873
You're forgetting two things:
>You can now dump your STR down to 7 and spend that point buy in your other stats
>Headbands of Dex and Str compete for magic item slot spaces

And probably forgetting other things as well but they're more minor.

>>51959645
>Kinetic Knight and Blood Kineticist are the best 1pp kineticist archetypes. Kinetic Knight gives you a ton of free form infusions, heavy armor proficiency, and the ability to use a shield along with your kinetic blade. Blood kineticist turns you into a blood-bender.

Ohh they both sound interesting

>>51960855

Funny, you'd think they'd be more concerned about the crippling shortages and collapse of infrastructure than whether or not the local widows are getting any.

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>>51960715
>>51960757
Tengu aren't very cute though.

What's the cutest bird race?

>>51960810
Basically. The place is however a lot more similar to a the middle east, pakistan, and india in terms of climate.

>>51960821
Suppose I better just kill myself. They must have noticed my hands under the table.

>>51960855
Their ship has all of 40 men on it. What more is happening in the people in power are seeing someone made it across the sea, which is a big deal, and are now trying to discover how they did it.

>>51960873
Fuck the weapon finesse route, go fully Strength and just use Flamboyant Arcana to block attacks instead of using AC. Then later you can get Reflection arcana and Smash from the Air. Use your stabs for defense.

>>51960956
Wait where do you get the AoOs to defend yourself when Combat Reflexes can't work? Fucking Elven Battle Training?

>>51960925

I don't think there are many others. There's the syrinx, who are owls, but they're pretty dickish.

>>51960995
There's also the Strix, who eat people and hate humans.

But one of the better pieces of art for them is a cute brown girl oracle, so they have that going for them.

>>51960973
Oh sorry. I was trying to meme but the meme fell apart I guess. Strength loses again.

>>51961021
>cute brown girl oracle
Oh?
I thought they were all supposed to be onyx skinned?

>>51960799
>The current two archetypes really ran into the problem of 'they inherently weren't as interesting so they didn't get as many eyes on them'.
Which begs the question of why they got in in the first place.

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>>51961042
The art waffles, but hey.

It does mean you can at least imagine the cute bird girls right?

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https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4552889/apps-go-here

Which apps are your favorite?

>>51961084
Can we split the difference and say they're equally trash?

>>51961070
Nice

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>>51961084
Is Kanna too tryhard?

>>51961108
The Reynolds art looks like trash and makes them look like deformed winged goblins, so obviously disregard that right?

>>51960956
>>51960973
>>51961035
Okay forget the Strength thing, I want to make a dude who attacks all the attacks now.

Combat Reflexes
Flamboyant Arcana
Cut from the Air
Smash from the Air
Reflection

What else?

>>51961046

Not all archetypes have to be transformative.

>>51960789
I would fucking leave the table. It's obvious you're just trying to jack yourself off.

>>51961120
My eyes glaze over when people post giggaton walls of text about their characters.

Kanna's is flat-out unreadable.

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Do Tengu make good archaeologists, /pfg/?

>>51961084
Now that it's over, I wonder what the fuck WotR did to get so many detailed apps.

Are there any other feats like the Shifting feats from the Lords of the Wild playtest that can insert themselves into any class' bonus feats list? Or maybe a race that does so?

>>51961215
But they should have some draw or appeal.

So my character concept for dragon two games can be summed up thusly:
>one of the few dwarven families living under the Queen's rule
>family is famous as vault builders and bankers
>character is the prodigal son of the family, prodigy locksmith
>by day he makes locks and vaults as Rokar Chapman, respected artisan
>by night he is the notorious bank robber Snap Iron

The plan is for him to be a Vigilante as one half of his character build, if approved it's going to be the Night Terror vigilante. However now I am struggling on the other half of the character. How do I support being the greatest safe cracker/safe maker to ever live? Currently I am thinking of possibly combining it with rogue.

In a pinch I might go Hidden Blade Rogue + Alchemical Scoundrel Vigilante, as it provides all the things I need out of vigilante and the material for Hidden Blade and Alchemical Scoundrel are already approved.

Now something I have having a hard time with is the original reason my character became a safe cracker/bank robber/hoard thief. He would have a longstanding friend who was a dragon who got him into the business years ago. He and the dragon have known each other since they were both kids, the dragon now in the Juvenile or Young Adult age category and the character in his 50s. The two of them would have made a career out of robbery to increase the younger dragon's hoard and line the dwarf's pockets. By day they are partners in the Dwarf's vault making/locksmith business, by night they are partners in crime.

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>>51961229

Read it anyway and rate her!

>>51961122
The best part of 1 word responses is the mystery of it being genuine or not.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of half the dudes stuff. Some parts I like others I don't, but I don't like a lot of what's There.

>>51961267
Not overplay its lewd aspects? It seems like it was basically saying "There will be lewds, but you've gotta have a character, too" rather than "You won't get in if you aren't a total hoe-bag/breeding stud"

sultanas harem campaign is pretty fucking delete this tier honestly

Elemental humanoids live longer than normal humanoids. Max age being 200+6d% years.

Now elemental humanoids assume, like other planetouched races, that you're working off a base of human.

What if I had an Elven Oread? Would he live proportionally longer than a human Oread? That would make sense, right?

Elemental Planestouched is around a x4 increase.

Would this mean an Elven Planestouched does not mature until age 440? Then doesn't become middle aged until 700?

>>51960450
>A halo knight can choose combat feats or psionic feats with his psychic warrior bonus feats, but cannot gain combat feats with this ability.
What the fuck kind of proofreading is this shit?

What's a good gestalt for a strength-based stalker Vigilante?

>>51961461
Fighter. You don't need anything else.

>>51959691
>tfw your favorite part of self pact is the last thing that would need to be nerfed

I like sensing power levels

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>>51961387
Why?

>>51961267
ReviewAnon got involved and people got self conscious after a few characters got scrutinized. Standards increased as the bar got raised and the overall quality improved.

>>51961556
when everyones just a homogenized pile of generic animu lewd theres nothing really to look forward too.

same with everyone starting at 16 of all levels.

like its just all instantly gratification to the point that when you get in the game whatre you really accomplishing?

>>51961263
>Penalty to Con
>No bonus to Cha

No. Not in the slightest.

>>51961419
God this shit just keeps getting worse

>This ability alters bonus feats, but does not cause the halo knight archetype to be incompatible with other archetypes that alter the bonus feats class feature.
This gets printed twice in different places for the Anima Skills feature. Nevermind that Tap Animus isn't reprinted in the book so that Halo Knight requires you to have PoW:E or go online. Hell, because of how shit Tap Animus is, a single level dip of Mystic is crazy good as it lets you gain 1 + Wis mod animus at the start of the fight instead of just 1.

> In any case, I’m a huge fan of each of the archetypes in this product—they each exemplify the psychic warrior in some way, and from the halo knight to the silhouette, all are fascinating to play. —Forrest Heck
TOO BAD THE FUCKING SILHOUETTE DIDN'T MAKE IT IN

>Blazing Halation
>This is stressful to his psionic faculties, and initially it may only be used once per day. While his psionic halo is active, he can cause it to blaze with energy as a swift action once per day.
Wow, is it once per day or maybe once per day instead?

Or what about the Reaver being a Psychic Warrior x Cryptic with an Assassin bent but then gets a bunch of monk/ninja fucking proficiencies?

This is a damn travesty.

>>51961562
Yeah, ReviewAnon here. To be honest, any of those that weren't just laughably inept were actually pretty damn good.

I just focused on the weaknesses of each one including my own wherever I could find them because there was no point fixing what wasn't broke. The few mostly-good reviews I gave were just because I ended up genuinely impressed. I don't think I'm the cause of the higher standards here, most people were already trying their hardest.

>>51961631
Honestly it made me end up not posting my character to the game.

>>51961596
The profession, not the Archetype.

>>51961461
Anything else for us to work with?
Want Maneuvers? Warlord or Zealot, both cha based like the Vigilante
Want bonus Feats? Fighter, Ranger, Slayer.
Want Advanced Weapon /Armor mastery? Fighter.
Want Actual Sneak Attack? Slayer, Alchemist (Vivisectionist), U. Rogue

Anything that gives us an idea of what Kind of combo you want.

>>51961691
Vital Punishment, Upclose and Personal, and Leave an Opening are the talents I want to build around.

Sneak attacks don't work with Hidden Strike do they?

>>51961674
Well the profession doesn't require a lot from a class, but it really would be either the Investigator, some form of Bard archetype, or a Rogue. What they bring to each of these is kind of minimal (best I can say is +Dex for Unchained Rogue is good even if the Con penalty works against it ultimately), but I wouldn't really call them bad at any of them. The free proficiencies in all swords is nice for the classes at least, since none of them even have full martial weapon proficiency by default.

>>51961691
"Actual Sneak Attack" from Slayer is minimal at the best of times. I don't understand how people think it's a selling point of the class, it's barely relevant at all.

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>23 apps for Dragon 2!
Well, if I never had a chance before, I certainly don't have one now.

What bloodline would represent a descendent of qlippoth best for a sorcerer? Abyssal seemed like the obvious choice, but it's kind of weird since the Qlippoth hate demons. Impossible maybe?

>>51961912
A lot of those are just "here's a placeholder, I'll apply for real when I feel like it."

You've got plenty of chances.

>>51961967
Aberrant would probably fit better, maybe more so if it's crossblooded with Abyssal, but you should never do that except for flavor.

>>51961707
I'm not sure what I could suggest for you to get the most of of a Vital Strike build, maybe fighter is the best choice so you don't get stuck with situations Vital Strikw isn't the best.
Also, Sneak Attack stacks with Hidden Strike. In the chance you decide to gestalt with something that has it.

>>51961989
And more than six are "All done, ready to go."