Why do people hate these guys so much?

>>51944931
I can't tell if that's supposed to be a Space Marine or something from World of Warcraft

>>51944931
they would be better if they were the angels of Sigmar, but like animated suits of armor, or golems.

>>51944944
WoW, I think

>>51944931
Its like a space marine but with a WoW influenced design

Not to mention the backlash was even greater because they nuked fantasy

>>51944931
>Lol space marines sell in 40k
>Let's add them to fantasy
>Let's destroy the old world while we're at it
>Every race now has their own "plane" of existance

All this right after
>THE END TIMES
>LET'S MAKE FAN FAVOURITES RELEVANT AGAIN
>Fantasy starts getting more players
>People like it
>People buy miniatures and assemble armies with an identify in the old world
>Lol all that shit is gone now.
>Let's also dumb the game down to make it easier to children to get into.
>Field whatever you like
Age of Sigmar is a big fat stinking turd and sigmarines stand for everything wrong with it.

>>51945129
>they nuked fantasy
This.

Stormcasts are basically like the einherjar from Norse mythology, collected at the moment of death to serve in a god-king's army and forged to fight his battles, death after death after death, until nothing of the individual they were remains.

The aesthetic is questionable, and I feel like it would have been better served by hamming up the graeco-roman influence rather than going for WoW/Diablo paladins, but you have to admit that's a fairly heavy fucking metal concept in its own right.

However, one vague concept taken alone in isolation isn't worth losing an entire setting with years of fleshed-out lore and development, and the setting that replaced it is still in its formative stages. AoS will flesh itself out in time and they've had to cover everything in very broad strokes, but some people are put off by the more heroic, high fantasy tone.

The Stormcast Eternals are the posterboys of the franchise so obviously they take the most flak.

>>51944931
How can you look at that and not hate it?

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>>51945154
>several Warhammer Fantasy videogames and shit are released at around the same rough time period as Age of Sigmar

What the fuck were they thinking?

>>51945175
They probably weren't, they most likely just put out the licenses and then more or less forgot about them.

>>51944931
I don't like Space Marine in 40K.
I like them even less in Fantasy.

>>51944931
they are both metaphorically and literally built from the ruins of the old world

they don't integrate into the already present aesthetics but instead take protagonist role and expect the rest to adapt to them

they don't know what they want to be: from being space marines except when don't, from being faceless representatives of a god to each being a mary sue OC, from having a very standardised looking force to such a plethora of redundant variants that make the absence of proper fleshing out of the other factions even more ridiculous

they are an intentionally dumbed down concept/details for the purposes of appealing to the moba/wow aesthetic and to make cad sculpting them faster, easier and cheaper

those fucking pauldrons! who the fuck drew those lines and said "yep, that's okay"

they are being pushed as posterboy, not because they are popular but because they want them to become such


I can see why someone would like them but there're so many if and but that I don't even

>>51944931
It's shit-combo
SpaceMarines+Marvel Asgardians+current GW writting

People just salty WHFB died because they wouldnt buy more models.

Stormcast are the new scapegoat that people hate on from their basements.

>But muh spesh muhreens in muh fantasy

Stormcasts are actually really popular among the people that actually play AoS, both fluffwise and aesthetically on the whole. Theyre very common at events both competitive and narraitive.
inb4 "But I play AoS and I hate gold space marines

>>51946114
The people that actually play AoS are the same people who drool and need to wear diapers. Not exactly a stellar recommendation.

>>51946114
>Stormcasts are actually really popular among the people that actually play AoS, both fluffwise
Of course kids loves Ultramarines and AoS age rating ios 8+. so it's pretty obvious who is the main audience
> and aesthetically on the whole.
Yeah sure not because they are new OP army like trees and new Tzeench

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>>51946143
>salty replies
Like clockwork.

>>51946204
>oh no he dislikes my borring marry sues he must be salty!

>>51944931
>They were supposed to be the good counterpart to Warriors of Chaos
>Became not!Space Marines
>Hammers of Sigmar literally not!Ultramarines
>They have not!Bolters
>NOW THEY HAVE NOT!BOLT PISTOLS/NOT!STORM BOLTERS

Oh gee, I do wonder why people hate them. As if the shitty setting that replaces Fantasy Battles wasn't bad enough...

>>51946131
>>51946143
>comments by glorious autistic master-race

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>>51945175
At least I still have vermintide and Total Warhammer

>>51944931
I despise them for the loss of the Old World that birthed them.
I read Warhammer Fantasy for years and loved the lore. I played a lot of WFRP (2nd edition, because fuck 3rd) and it surpassed everything D&D ever created.
GW then killed it.
They could have saved the setting and revamped the gaming system but, in an autistic fashion, they decided to blow it up instead.
That's why I hate them.

>>51946354
Well guess anyone who play /tg/ are autist

FLGS manager here, GW lied to me about AoS.

>AoS is not a replacement for WHFB, it's a new standalone game, like Blood Bowl.
>WHFB isn't going away

Next thing I know, they've changed the logo on their website, Fantasy is gone and replaced with this.

>>51946304

No one who plays Age of Sigmar hates the SCE.

t. Moonclan Grot / Death / Tzeentch Player

>>51946534
>No one who plays Age of Sigmar hates the SCE.
Well sounds pretty obvious IMO

>>51946456
Also FLGS owner, uk-based. We got the whole story. Told it was a new edition with a completely different ruleset. They told us we should start running WHFB games with skirmish rules because the new game was going to be like it. They were kinda cool about it, but I had connections in head office. Used to be a GW staffer when I was in my 20s.

Tbf, we saw a small spike in sales after release compared to the end of WHFB when people were starting new armies, but it dropped off for a while. We couldnt sell the starter boxes for shit though. Pretty sure we STILL have some of the original order out back.

We had a bunch of people dive into AOS from tthe start who kinda encouraged people to play, so from a business standpoint we were kinda lucky. I hear about FLGS who had nobody playing and couldnt sell any fantasy whatsoever.

>>51946114
In a setting with little to no fluff that doesn't concern stormcast of course people will prefer the guys with the fluff

stormcast are also OP and the mainly supported miniature range, of course it will attract the most

>>51946628
Have you actually played the game? Theyre not that OP. They don't really do well in tournaments. Theyre on the higher end of the mid-tier and pretty much a one-trick pony.

>>51946650
>they're not the actual best so you can't say they are better than the most

>>51946650
>Theyre not that OP.
With new Battletome they are clearly OP. not to mention just like all new armies they are much better than any old just because of their minis.

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>tfw I was a big anti-AOS shitposter
>Made angry memes
>then I eventually gave it a try to determine if I would sell my WFB armies
>really enjoyed it
>Rebased one army already, three to go
>Bought a Start Collecting SCE + starting set of SCE from intro game bundle off eBay

S-Sorry Fantasy bros

>>51946724
>>Rebased one army already, three to go
:>playing old armies
t.cuck

>>51946114
As AoS and Stormcast marketing are pretty much equal most of the time, it's a small wonder.

>>51946724
You're dead to me.

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>>51946741

what?

>>51946781
Well you should be a true cuck if you plays armies which is totally irrelevant both rule and lore wise.

>>51946801

You know all armies from WFB have AOS rules right?

Didnt't AoS make Ghouls and Savage Orcs viable?

>>51946821
Yep and they are toitally useless. TK was kind of good when GHB dropped, but they already was replaced by Tzeench, Sylaneths and Sigmarines, not to mentoin they have old models

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>>51946801
>>51946741

>>51946822
Not only viable, it made them really fucking stronk.

>>51946846

But Savage Orcs aka Bonesplittaz are great - no new models just new BT
Vampire Count Ghouls aka Flesh Eater courts are great - no new models just new BT
Empire aka Freeguild can be great - no new models or BT
Ogres aka Beastclaw Raiders are great - no new models just new BT

It's swings and roundabouts

>>51946821
Bretonia has rules? In AoS? Since when?
Chaos dwarf too?
Beastmen?

>>51946872
>are great
>are great
>are great
Nope new armies stornger and old models are shit when it comes to distance's count.
>Empire aka Freeguild can be great
Not an army, just bunch of support packs for space marines (Stormcasts, Sylvaneths, fireslayers)

>>51946895
Yep, yep and yep. Since the beginning. Chaos dwarfs a little later though, from FW.

>>51946895

>Bretonia has rules? In AoS? Since when?
yep, since day 1
>Chaos dwarf too?
yep, since day 1
>Beastmen?
yep, since day 1

Rules since day 1, points when the General's Handbook came out

>>51946916
>Nope new armies stornger and old models are shit when it comes to distance's count.
Thats not an actual sentance, but no, the age of the model doesnt mattter when itt comes to relative strength. Bonesplittas and Flesh Eaters are extremely strong.

>still thinking in terms of armies and not as grand alliances
laughinggirls.jpg

>>51944944
Source this image, my dick needs it

>>51946932
What about Kislev and Cathay?

>>51946949

Were they a playable army during 8th?

>>51946940
>Bonesplittas and Flesh Eaters are extremely strong.
Not stronger than new Stormcasts battletome, not stronger than new Tzeench, not stronger than Sylvaneths.
>>still thinking in terms of armies and not as grand alliances
mono armies > grandalliance's Auxilias

>>51946949
Same as in the last couple of editions of WHFB. There are warscrolls you can use to represent them but no dedicated units.

Remember none of these factions actually exist as they did, you wont be feilding a brettonian army, you'll be fielding an army of questing knights. Brettonia is long gone.

>>51944931
>Ground Marines, chaaaaarge!

>>51946940
>the age of the model doesnt mattter when itt comes to relative strength.
>gobling_trying_to_hit_prosecutor.jpg

>>51946932
You sure? I'm sure those didn't show up till later

Also Bretonia is now Generic Knight the army

>>51946988
Theyre as strong if not stronger than Sylvaneth. Especially with the kunnin ruck.

>Not in top 2 lists = terrible apperantly
Lul

>mono armies > grandalliance's Auxilias
Its pretty clear you dont know what youre talking about because youre making no sense.

>>51947048

I was wrong about the Chaos Dorfs, they appeared a little later.

>>51947050
>Theyre as strong if not stronger than Sylvaneth.
Nope they cannot do any shit against hunters.
>>Not in top 2 lists = terrible apperantly
It's Warhammer, so yes.
>because youre making no sense.
Because..? New battletome armies have stronger rules, stronger formation, better artifacts and traits than Grandalliance sub-armies.

>>51947043
They hit them on 5s.

>>51947078
They cannot hit them.

>>51947091
Eh what? Yeh they can.

>>51947134
>d
I mean they should move on prosecutor's base to get close enough,l because you should count distance from weaopn, not from base

>>51947164
>measuring model to model and not base to base like an intelligent human being
Ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahha

>>51947164
Are we returning to the giant incident?

>>51947190
>loves AoS
>using homerules
kys WHFBfag

>>51947207
We use GW's own event packs. Which use base to base. Thats how the GT is being played this year.

>>51947235
>event packs.
It's not core ruleset and not GHB

>>51947164
>Not modelling your gitmob with spears so autists cant can't whine about not being in range.
Its like you've never played warhammer before

>Fyreslayers are still shit
EXPLAIN THIS

Shitty plastic WoW/DotA aesthetic replacing one that emphasized a different historical aesthetic than the traditional "lol vaguely medieval fantasy". Nobody else did early modern period stuff, no one else did The Holy Roman Empire, and it got replaced with fucking WoW.

>>51947279
It's like you dislikes GW rules

>>51944944

Source of the FAP material

They look like bland Chaos warriors.

Seriously, the game is ass and the setting sucks dicks, but those finis themselves aren't that awful, just absolutely uninteresting. The only thing making them good is a headswap with bret grail knights.

The models on lizard things look like the megabloks dragon too.

>>51947345
>The only thing making them good is a headswap with bret grail knights.

What a pleb.
Mask helm is far superior to generic knight shit.

>>51946724
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

Honestly, that's the best kind of post I like to see about AoS. I just like knowing people are having fun instead of wasting time shitposting and being bitter.

>>51947458
>generic
>knight
pick one anime-kid

>>51946131
Aos is decent after the update. Still hate smegmarines with a passion though. Liked fantasy setting much more.

>>51944931

Haters gonna hate.

Some of them think if they hate AoS enough, GW will bring WHFB back... but reliable rumormongers (Hastings, SadPanda) confirmed if it fails, GW are prepping a horus Heresy range.

So... bitterness. Mostly.

>>51947485
Yeah, now we just have to wait for gw to actually stop spamming us with SCE releases and give freeguild, aelves, and skaven a decent release.

>>51947552
>mortals
>relevant
top kek

>>51947552
>skaven

>>51947534
>So... bitterness. Mostly.
Or may be army itself are bland and borring.

>>51947534
To be fair WHF was dick over by GW incompetence.

Lower point cost
Lower model count in boxes
Higher cost for each box
Pushing higher point games
Requiring 40+ Models minimum for a normal game
No balance between newer and older armies
Nothing new to buy and the things that you could buy where this expensive kits with little model value.
Snap fit models more expensive than the multi part ones.

The list goes on and on.
Your army is gone! Your army is back! Your army is gone!

GW killed fantasy long before AoS show up.

>>51947585

That would make you ignore the setting, not hate it.

Unless it's because you preferred the Old World, in which case... yes, that's bitterness.

>>51947585
Shoo Ivan shoo, no one likes you.

>>51947592
>To be fair WHF was dick over by GW incompetence

Oh yes, definitely, not claiming WHFB was a bad game, just saying the hatred AoS gets is disproportionate to what it is... ergo, it's bitterness for what it replaced.

>>51944944
veruca james

>>51947593
>That would make you ignore the setting, not hate it.
Or I will dislikes them.

>>51947534
>Some of them think if they hate AoS enough, GW will bring WHFB back...

Nice strawman, but I've never seen that point brought up by anyone but pro-Aos shitposters. Projecting?

>>51947610
Some store owners say it here. GW told them AoS was a spinoff now a setting and model line massacre.

GW said to store owners was a skirimish game while still selling the soon to be nuked whf models.

Removing the marine statue from the HQ for the Sigmarine manage to not only piss of the fantasy player but the 40k players.

GW went out of their way to make the most shitty and asshole release of the game.

The bitterness is more than reasonable

>>51947629
Shoo! You're either fanboy with hammer tattoo or bitter disillusiobed grognard! There are no option three!

>>51947674
Or that's Ivan and he's just a known shitposter.

>>51947629

You actively hate things you don't find interesting?

Okay comrade, keep building that utopia...

>>51947722
>You actively hate things
Because I posting in this thread?

>>51947635

Funny, all I ever see in the WHFB General and various forums is the talk of GW bringing back WHFB "when AoS fails", like it's the only reasonable outcome, so it is a widely held opinion.

It's also horribly inaccurate, unless you've got a source more reliable than the above.

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>>51947731

Yes you does

You does posting in thread.

>>51947777
>You does posting in thread.
So what?

>>51947657
>The bitterness is more than reasonable

No it's not.
Unless GW managed to destroy every copy of WHFB ever then there's no reason to be bitter.
They did not enter into a contract saying they would support Fantasy forever.

>>51947798
>No it's not.
Say it to Orks and nids players.

>pointless system doesn't work
>bring back points!

>magic is dull
>bring back lores!

>battletomes don't sell
>bring back magic items and hero customization!

While I don't believe they will get back to the same old rulebook, It's silly to think they are not going to either reharsh old mechanics or run on nostalgia value whenever they feel they need something more when they are doing it right in front of you.

>>51947825
What do they have to do with AoS exactly?
Ork players got some nice conversion material with Ironjaws and that's about it.

>>51947560
Right there is my problem with aos. They established them in the universe and are choosing to do absolutely nothing with them, instead giving them a rundown in a paragraph or two, while dedicating books upon books to space marines

>>51947569
Problem? There's lots of people who play skaven and enjoy the game.

>>51947855
>What do they have to do with AoS exactly?
Not with AoS, just anopther example of "pointless bitterness "
Also, 40k orks doesn't looks like 40k orcs

>>51947856
AoS is more narrative based.
Stormcast focus makes sense given the current narrative.

I dislike them because while the concept is cool, the aesthetic is kinda boring as hell. Bulky Burlyman was something we had covered already by Chaos Warriors. I'd have preferred something more like a full army of Warrior Priests/Sisters of Sigmar. Lots of flowing robes. Play up the holy/cleric angle rather than ending up more than a bit space marine.

>>51945154
>No one buying fucking models for years
>Spinoff now outselling the fucking thing it was a spin off for
>Give the original shit a send off
>Write the rules to get crusty neckbeards to fuck off so that the community wont be a shitfest of toxic subhumans trying to fuck every woman with tits that tries to buy models or shitting on every kid that walks in the door under 200 pounds
>Too autistic to get the message
>Try and turn sigmar into the toxic shit heap their game became

JUST
FUCKING
LEAVE
ALREADY

>>51947887
>AoS is more narrative based.
And that's why mortals looks very pointless in AoS since they cannot do shit in setting.

>>51947887
>AoS is more narrative based.
What narrative?

>>51947916
Current GW narrative.

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>>51947910
>toxic subhumans

>>51947916
They're basically making all of the releases in order to help their sigmarine propaganda sell

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>>51947916

The one you forge.

FORGE.

>>51947798
Did you miss the part where GW intentionally dick over store owners?

>>51947916
The first part was the Realmgate Wars, with the Stormcasts first striking out into the mortal realms and seizing the Realmgates.
The Realmgate Wars have ended and we're moving onto the yet unnamed second part which is about the burgeoning order brought to the Realms.

>>51947910
>>No one buying fucking models for years
Gee... I wonder who made 8th edition

>>51947970
I just don't believe it.
My local store knew what was happening and the boss has talked about how it's nice to work with GW.
I have no reason to believe there's some weird store by store basis that GW works on were it fucks some but is nice to others.

>>51946942

Seconded.

>>51947932
If you're obese you're subhuman.

if you can't leave when you're told explicitly by a company that they don't want your patronage, and are an autistic piece of shit that will scream and cry and harass when they don't get their way, you're toxic.

>>51947973
How is that MORE narrative than what there was before?

>>51947980
Autists who got the message that they weren't wanted.

Fantasy still didn't sell though, no matter how many red herrings you bring up, faggot.

>>51948004
>if you can't leave when you're told explicitly by a company that they don't want your patronage
Except GW report explicitly stated they want to attract again the old guard

>>51948004
>If you're obese you're subhuman.
Says who..?
>you're toxic.
>stop talking bad about GW! just shut up, REEEE!

>>51947910
What models to buy?

Some armies die with kits made on the first editions of whf.

You can't expect people to buy old kits, with fewer model count per box and more expensive than before.

Even if people wanted to buy shit there was nothing to buy but the same old fucking models, with counted exceptions.

They push and push the player base to even bigger armies till people simply stop buying fast enough to keep up their failing business model.

For fuck sake some armies had 0.5 cost per models other no more than 3 points.

Let's not forget the unbalance crap or armies left to rot for editions!

>>51948013
Before we were stalled in the same time for many years. There was no narrative, the world simply was.

>>51948018
>Fantasy still didn't sell though
6th edition was 40% of GW profits, so looks like someone fucked up 7th and 8th editions and it weren't players.

>>51948018
>it's the buyers fault REEEEE
>it's the product that doesn't sell itself REEEE
t.seller

>>51948042
>the world simply was.
and each faction had its own thing to do, plus numerous examples of narratives through the history to explore.

>>51948044
What were the differences between 6th edition and 7th edition?

>>51947996
This is GW the company that killed every store that sold their product in the country.

Store owner ask for x, y and z. Fuck no! Here have 2 boxes of 30 Ethereals and 1 box of 10 Empire steam tank.

GW is not consistent and it isn't reliable.

They try to push fantasy models to an old lady store owner before nuking it with AoS.

Anon GW is bad at best and some time out right "evil Jew" at worst.

>>51948023
[citation needed]

>>51948102
Storm of Chaos retcon, monstrhammer.

>>51948071
Right, and nothing ever actually happened.

>>51948024
>Says who?

I know you're baiting, but come on Ivan. That's some low tumblr tier shit about fat acceptance right here.

If you're obese you are a subhuman indeed, says vzry goddamn doctor on the planet.

And anon isn't defending GW, he's (rightfully) attacking fat autistic grognards that turn a good store into a shit place because of their terrible attitude.

>>51948118
Sorry, I simply don't believe you.

>>51948102
Never updating older armies.
Before it was never the perfect world of balance, but during 7th the "pay to win" was most clear.

Same shit is happening in 40k till 5th it was some what playable. Now? It is just pay to win.

>>51948144
>hat's some low tumblr tier shit
>says tumblrina
top kek
>If you're obese
And I am obese because I said that SCE looks bland and borring faction of Marry Sues?
>you are a subhuman indeed,
Nazicuck, plz

>>51948146
Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative or something? GW abuse their monopoly to no end.

You know how annoying it was to tell my clients that their shit didn't arrive because GW sent the wrong things again?

>>51948192
>Why? Because it doesn't fit your narrative or something?

Because it doesn't fit my experience and the experience of people I actually know and trust.

>>51948192
Other anon here but that's weird to me as well.

I do aggree and have heard about how GW was really hard on independent sellers, wanting huge space and ads for their products.

However, they were and still are known to be extremely on point with deliveries.

Where do you operate?

>>51948213
Different anon and friend with 2 different store owners in my city, in their own words "we don't sell what our costumers want, we sell what GW wants us to sell"

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>>51948118

>>51948247
South America the hate boner of GW.

GW works reasonably well in USA and Europe in my experience. Get her? LoL fuck no.

>>51948146
My local FLGS was treated like shit by GW. Anything he wanted to order was a pain in the ass. So he stopped carrying GW. Then he closed shop and moved to Cuba or something.

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>>51948292
>o he stopped carrying GW. Then he closed shop

>>51947910
>it's the one autist who shows up in every thread to yell about how warhammer fantasy's decline was the user base's fault and not mismanagement of the product

Wew

>>51948281
>GW works reasonably well in USA and Europe
Even there they still practice policy "buy what we want or we will stop selling anything to you"

>>51948262

Sauce?

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>>51948321
>>51948292
>>51948192

How does it feel knowing they're seeing increase in profits and on the rise?

>>51945159
Whfb never had Greco Roman you dumb fuck beyond tileans

>>51948321
We kind of make it work by bounding every small store owner in the country to try and force sell us what we wanted.

Still it was annoying as fuck to do, eventually people simply got fed up and clients started importing on thier own from the USA or from online stores.

GW killed their foothold here on their own doing.

Since the nerds here are turbo nerds the hobby didn't die out. Today mostly buy recast or third parties because the shipping times from GW directly are fucking insane.

>>51948388
Learn to read before you start slinging poo everywhere mate, I was talking about what they did wrong with the Stormcast aesthetic. I think if they were less chunky pauldron paladins and emphasised the graeco-roman elements in their design instead they would look a lot less obnoxious. Did not mention there being a classical culture in WHFB at all (although there is a 'Classical' language that stands in for Latin in WFRP, at least)

>>51948383
Well half year without AoS (no seriously, they really should just close their fantasy line) surely make it better, but they still didn't recover from 2014 25% drop.
Now let's see how players react on Age of Guilliman

>>51945159
>Stormcasts are basically like the einherjar from MCU pseudo-Norse mythology,
fix

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Why is this thread even a thing? Who gives a rats ass (kek). Let the conservative neckbeards think their thoughts and complaints quietly, and let the young, future neckbeards jack off to their golden totally-not-space marines in peace

>>51948383
I'll never understand this incredibly retarded mindset of the ardent AoS tribalists
>gw is doing better as whole so you have no right to say you don't like their new products, popularity is all, even though they don't relese the information for specific lines and a considerable chunk of profit is from licensing out the fantasy ip to two quite successful titles
I really get the impression that AoS has this segment of their fanbase who has been driven into such a defensive autistic rage they can do naught but shitpost at all times.

>>51948466
Does marvel even have einherjar?
Aren't Asgardians just aliens or some shit?

>>51948383
They still haven't recover from the drop of what? 5 years ago?

Not sure if they'll survive not! Age of the Emperor. Since they are committing the same mistakes they did with whf.

>>51944931
I think part of it is because they had received a huge amount of attention when they were first released with AoS. GW was pushing them down fantasy players throats. I think the year they were released, they had weekly releases that consumed all of like 2 or 3 months which gets tiring when they all kind of look cookie cutter similar. The other animosity is like what anons said above: they are basically space marines. Especially now since they got bolters-er i mean "bolt throwers". Lastly is the Mary Sue vibe of them mingling with the saltiness some of the community still feels about the End Times and the end of the grungy dark narrative universe that once existed.

Personally I really dig these guys. I always wanted bulky armored knights in Warhammer. I just wish GW made them more unique and more human rather than Soace Marine-esque god children. Not a huge fan of their fluff either because the whole being reborn thing is kind of super convenient..

>>51948467
Because you autist, autisits occupy themselves at all times with autistic fury over who's autistic hobby is best, and it's fun to fight

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>>51948497
>Does marvel even have einherjar?
Does AoS really builded around Norse Mythology, not around Marvel Asgard (citadel of superhuman googles in golden armor builded around planetoid)?

>>51948490
Since the dawn of AoS salty people have been saying it's a guaranteed flop.
So now that GW turns out to be growing AoSfans are merely enacting retribution on the still salty Fantasyfans.
It's simple the cycle of the oppressed turning on the oppressor.

40k player here to laugh at you all.

>>51948490

But when I stuck my head in the AoS general there were at least 3 or 4 fantasy battles diehards in there bitching. When I searched the fantasy battles general I found no shit posting by AoS fags.

>>51946456
>>51946627
At least you can still go and buy the BL books from Fantasy Battles.

>>51948516
fuck marvel

>>51948522
>So now that GW turns out to be growing
Yes after 6 months without AoS releases.

>>51948546
AoS has had several big releases.

>>51948516

You're not familiar with the concept of the nine realms in norse mythology are you? I'll give you the gold bit though.

>>51948466
>>51948497
Yes, AoS takes a lot of stylistic cues from capeshit, but what I meant was the premise was lifted almost wholesale from the einherjar, which to my knowledge don't have a direct equivalent (i.e. host of elite warriors who get chosen after death to fight again in their god's army) in Marvel.

>there is a guy who corrupts Chaos Warriors into becoming SCEs if they get hit by his hammer

Why is this allowed?

>>51948574
Such as..?
Except books
>>51948575
>You're not familiar with the concept of the nine realms in norse mythology are you?
Oh I am fammilar, with both, with classical and withy Marve magetech and guys with boltstorm pistols looks much closer to the second one

>>51948262

Her disinterest in her impending dicking arouses me, I must know the source.

>>51947855
I have to admit Ironjawz are fucking beautiful models

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>>51948446
>Well half year without AoS

February 2017: Daemons of Tzeentch
January 2017: Disciples of Tzeentch
December 2016: Mega Army deals
November 2016: Silver Tower heroes, battlemat, scenery
October 2016: Knight-Questor, Arcane heroes
September 2016: Gorechosen
August 2016: Sylvaneth

But cute, keep trying.

>>51944931

Because they are the physical representation of the willful and needless murder of a 40 year old setting that was one of the integral cornerstones of modern wargaming.

We are literally talking about the setting that made GW more than just a purveyor of D&D miniatures and the occaisional boardgame and RPG scenario.
We are talking about the setting and associated wargame that made GW a success.
Murdered.
In a pre-meditated fashion intended so GW could literally frame their own customers for the deed for "not buying enough product" even as they were deliberately doing all they could to try and kill it, like calling in Matt Ward to write all of the Elf books back to back in a move so obvious you don't need to be Jessica fucking Fletcher to work out what was going on.
Christ, even Inspector Gadget would have been able to have a denouement in the drawing room with the GW Execs at that one.

Even then, we still kept buying it enough money to make a profit off the range. Making their attempt to deflect blame all the more obvious.

I'm not entirely sure why they did this either. At this point my best running theory is that Jervis Johnson must have fucked Jack Kirby's daughter in front of him or something, or we the customers did in some kind of delicatessan order ticket system.
It's the only way to make his complete and utter contempt for the people that actually pay for his wages and his incredible effort to kill GW from the top any sense.

>>51948582
>Yes, AoS takes a lot of stylistic cues from capeshit
Not just stylistic even AoS authors said that they took inspiration from Kirby's comics boooks

>>51948522
Gw growing means nothing about AoS
They do not expose their sales by line, we don't know how much whoring out their ip, the most successful whoring of which was fantasy, is keeping them fed.
We have no information at all, so autists who say AoS is succeedeing or failing are pulling shit from the aether.
>>51948527
Who's going to be more salty, players of skub or the people who hate the skub that replaced their game?
I can't think of a better way to incite nerdwrath.
There is one serial AoS shitposter who frequents fhfb to screech about how "u didn't buy the models" but it's relatively calm

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>sitting in a unit library blasting edgy music an eating tendies
>mfw this thread

>>51948612
>February 2017: Daemons of Tzeentch
So after November 2016.

>>51948603
>Such as..?

If you're not even going to keep track of what GW brings out each month, you shouldn't be claiming no AoS sales...

>>51947283
Were slayers ever good?

>>51948619
Fair. Not necessarily a bad thing but as a graduate student in Renaissance and early modern history I definitely preferred it when Warhammer Fantasy took inspo from the previous thing.

>>51948610
Are you handicapped
The only model from that line that doesn't induce contempt is the shaman. The boars in particular are a disgrace

>>51948653
>Ignoring it goes down to August 2016

That's half a year ago. You said there was nothing for half a year. Justify yourself.

>>51948612
>December 2016: Mega Army deals
>November 2016: Silver Tower heroes, battlemat, scenery
>October 2016: Knight-Questor, Arcane heroes
>September 2016: Gorechosen
>August 2016: Sylvaneth
And how exactly is was larger than Prospero with Custodes and Sisters of Silence and Wrath of Magnus?

Because they are ugly, lazy, inherently parasitic on a better ip, and are skub manifest.

>>51948687
>You said there was nothing for half a year.
Oh sorry I talked about their hlaf year report which was published in November

>>51948620
>Gw growing means nothing about AoS

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
But consider how they cut Fantasy for under performing, and keep releasing new things for AoS that should tell you something.

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>>51948695
>>51948695
>And how exactly is was larger than

Doesn't need to be 'larger'. It's a release each month, which you said there was none.

None is nothing, not small releases.

>>51948612
Yo home slice, read what you wrote. All we've been getting b/w august and January have been spinoff board games

>>51948620
Personally? I replace it with 40k and warmachine.

I wanted old rank battles not more skirimish fantasy/sci fi games that are all over the market

Lords of war? Can't recall the name the one that works like WhF got to my attention and local players way to late for us to care.

Why did GW think going for skirimish market was a good idea? I mean it is like trying to do mmorpg when WoW was a thing.

The entire attitude GW had with WHF as in it was the players fault the game failed and their shitty business practices is amusing.

If WHF had the release AoS is having it wouldn't had need to be nuked in the first place

>>51948727

They released constantly for Fantasy the year they axed it.
It was actually more new releases than 40k.

>>51948731
Yeah surely small (1-2 boxes) releases of AoS saved GW, not 40k.

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>>51948737
>All we've been getting b/w august and January have been spinoff board games

What is Disciples of Tzeentch Battletome? What is new Stormcast Eternals Battletome? What is the AoS specific battleboards?

C'mon, keep digging.

>>51948753
>They released constantly for Fantasy the year they axed it.

Because it was their farewell, and every model release fitted into AoS.

>>51948753
Wasn't that basically 8th the Tomb King releases edition? Or my memory is fooling me?

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>>51945175
>DoW sends a wave of new players into 40k
>as well as being a good adaptation (there's a quote somewhere about GW's writers praised the effects as being exactly what they had in mind), is also a top tier RTS in its own right with godly expansions
>makes 40k vidya cool again, to the point where Eternal Croissant and Deathwank generate ridiculous amounts of hype and shekels even when turning out to be meh at best
>all of this feeds back into the TT community instead of just leeching off it as was expected

>TW:WH comes around
>Y'know, the absolute guv'nor of RTS autism deciding to use your IP
>From past experience this would be a great chance t-
>"Nah, it's unsalvageable, better shove AoS out there instead."

>>51948771
Read what you're replying to. Between august and January. Tzeentch was January you twat

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>>51948763
>I'm going claim a lack of new armies means AoS is getting cancelled!1!
>Show a release each month
>Y-yeah w-well it p-probably didn't m-make m-much m-m-money for GW!

>>51948739

Kings of War, it's kind of a bit like WHFB crossed with Black Powder's casualty mechanic.
It had a brief surge in popularity in my local club after the Murder but then it died down to "once in a while" levels. From the looks of things the GW die hards just switched to 40k.

I gave it a go, but I missed by Dial-Weapon Rune system for my dwarves too much.

>>51948800
>>I'm going claim a lack of new armies means AoS is getting cancelled!1!
Where I said anything like it?

>>51948800
To be fair 40k is the fat cow of GW.
Till we have a whoring product list of sales we can't say 40k or AoS is the one keeping the company afloat.

If we just go for the amount of product options between specialist games, AoS, 40k and 30k. I'd say 30k and 40k are keeping GW alive (well marines are doing that alone by that line of thought)

>>51948788

I legit think there was a LOT of the left hand not knowing what the right was up to with regards to AoS.
Even people in design studio were reportedly taken by suprise and upset at what was happening with AoS almost as little 3 months before it went out.

Vetock DEFINITELY wasn't told, his Dwarf and Ogre Kingdom Books were some of the best in 8th edition.
Cruddace... is hard to tell, his level of quality is so low it's hard to tell.
Ward MIGHT have been told, but if he did, all he did with that knowledge is go completely batshit crazy with the Dark Elves knowing there would be no reprisals for it.

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I don't hate the SCE personally, I just don't find them interesting to look at. I find them too similar to Space Marines in appearance and Space Marines are boring unless they have all the fancy Chapter gubbins. SCE just seem like bog-standard Space Marines with hammers instead of guns.

I am bitter about AoS, though.

I stopped playing WHFB in 8th edition just before Storm of Magic, because I found the experience very boring. Whoever I played against just threw huge blocks of infantry at me and I was expected, in turn, to throw huge blocks at them. I remember one particular battle where my opponent's army was just one unit of Chaos Warriors and two wizards.
I had to drive about an hour out to get there, or take a hour long train ride, so it didn't seem worth it if this was all I was doing.
So I stopped buying, thinking I'd go back when they fixed this obvious problem. "They should concentrate on smaller units! 40k is cool with it's spread out units!"

Which they did, but like some sort of monkey paw the price of that apparently was blowing up the Old World, a place that I regarded with fondness. There was so much that could have been done, but instead it feels like GW threw it all away.

If AoS had the same ruleset but was set in the Old World, I'd have literally no problem with it. I'd probably be playing it now! But every time I see a picture of a Stormcast, or a "Orruk" or the Fyreslayers or whatever the fuck that rat webway thing is, I just think about the Old World. They all seem so empty in comparison. Playing Total Warhammer and Vermintide has almost made it worse. Stomping around these places but knowing it's all done with.

Geedubs will probably never bring bad WHFB. At the very least, AoS is infinitely more copyrightable. I bet loads of people are having loads of fun from it. But I miss it like I miss Discworld.

At least there's 9th Age.

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>>51948792
>Between august and January

... that was stuffed with AoS releases. I assumed you meant the last six months were we had 40K stuff like Gathering Storm taking center stage, but alright...

January 2016: Fyreslayers
February 2016: Realmgate Wars: Balance of Power
March 2016: Stormcast Extremis army
April 2016: Orruk Ironjaws army
May 2016: Silver Tower Game
June 2016: GASP, NO AOS!
July 2016: Sylvaneth, General's Handbook

I see now, that one month without a release must have felt like a year to you...

Want more?

>>51948383
It does feel good that us HH players finally get plastic MkIII marines, yes.
You didn't think that was you guys did you?

>>51948860
Kelly made Dwarf armybooks for 8th edition

>>51948883
>Plastic 30k models
>Sisters still have metal models from 1997

Geez I wonder what is making money for GW sure as hell it isn't AoS but some form of marine related shit for 40k/30k

>>51948879
And nothing compared to 40k releases

>>51948262
>>51948358
>>51948606

I don't know the name but I remember the story, it's basically

>I was magically turned into a girl so then all my male class mates fucked me which I thought was fair but it was boring

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>>51948879
>Status: TOLD.

>>51948921
>40K s-s-sold more!

Prove it buttercup.~

>>51948788
I enjoy thinking about all the lost sales with TWWH because I want to see this horrible company burn.

>>51948894

...huh, was it just Ogre Kingdoms that was Vetock then?

>>51947887
AoS is basically designed to be a historical wargame, but with the history of the Realms. That's honestly my biggest problem with it. There's all of six out of dozens of batlteplans that are actually playable as anything other than "This very specific battle from this very specific fluff point" - they claim that you can put other armies against each other, but it falls apart way too fast. They want you to play their story, to play their narrative, and play the very specific "historical" battles that they present.

>>51948938
>g-g-guys small boxes and books for AoS sold better than Custodes and new Thousand Sons army

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>>51948941
>all the lost sales with TWWH

>>51948537
Why would we want to? AoS sells better than WHFB did towards the end of its run anyway

>>51948938
Even without data is painfully obvious 40k is the golden goose. No one who is being honest would deny that

>>51948925

Slightly less interested, but still want that sauce if anyone else can recall it.

>>51948977

My local gw store owner would deny that.

>>51948941

And yet I know of several AoS players at my store who got into it cause of TWWH and not one of them has bitched about it.

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>>51948977
>>51948958
>>51948921

https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Combined-document-with-front-page.pdf

Your salty tears sustain GW. It grows stronger daily.

>>51948941
LOL. What lost sales? You think people are playing TWWH and giving up their hobby?

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>>51948941
>all the lost sales with TWWH

>>51949067
>inb4 salty "Theyre lying to investors" or some conspiracy level shit.

>>51949067
>several years
So AoS sells better than 8th edition and ET.
>It grows stronger daily.
1) It's a lie, they still didn't recover from 2104
2) Their last annual report was saved from another drop only because of royaly
3) They starts growing only after big releases for 40k, not for AoS

>>51949119
>from 2014

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>>51949119
>It's a lie, they still didn't recover from 2104

>>51949119
Then what can we trust? You seem to have an inside scoop on what is and is not the truth.

>>51949119
>>51949113
Called it

>>51949135
Recovering =/= It grows stronger daily.
problems?

>>51949119
>it is the 41st millennium
>Games Workshop still hasn't recovered from the great monetary cataclysm of 2104

>>51949144
And where anything about
>"Theyre lying to investors"
???
>>51949140
>Then what can we trust?
You mean what?
>and is not the truth.
Where I said this?

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>>51949149
>Recovering
>That's not growing stronger daily... that's just... getting less worse... with time...

>>51949169
> Where I said this
>>51949119
> It's a lie

>>51949169
>>51949119
>being this salty about AoS and GW in 2017

Truely we are seeing the last of his kind in the wild. Or whatever you call his mothers basement

>>51949185
>still didn't recover from 2014 when sales dropped at 25%
>g-g-guys GW becomming stronger with every day, and it's totally because of AoS
nice denial

Do people unironically play gw games still?
Are you masochists?
Their lore gets sillier, their models worse, their prices higher and their art cheaper every day.

>>51949237
The two concepts are not exclusive. 2014 was 3 years ago - they can be growing stronger from what they were at that nadir while still not having fully recovered from it.

>>51949237
Its not denial when its fact.

See
>>51949067

>>51949249
A game is as good as your ability to play it. As much as i love a lot of other games, there aren't fanbases for them locally, I'm not good enough of a salesman to make there be fanbases locally, and in the meantime, Games Workshop games are things I can actually play instead of just reading the rulebook for and sighing.

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>>51949237
>GW profits on the rise
>Investor reports AoS outselling WHFB

>B-but guys GW s-sales were at an all t-time h-high in 2014!

So mad.~

>>51949204
So why you didn't copy the whole post?
There were nothing about "lying to investors".
>>51949251
>its fact.
Fact of what? That 8th edition of WHFb sells like a shit?

>>51949267
Buy two armies for an actually good game.
Demo for your friends

This is how is how I started both the infinity and frostgrave fanbases of my flgs

>>51949276
>says that 40k have much larger releases than AoS when GW profits starts growing
>lol guys he is mad!
Nice argumentation

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>>51949296
>Good game
>Infinity

>>51949296
Tried that. We have a regular group of players who are willing to try new games. The problem is, they're not willing to stick to a new game. I have Ten Thunders and Guild for Malifaux, Aleph and PanO for Infinity, and PHR and Scourge for Dropzone Commander. People were willing to try each, thought they were good, and went back to the same games they always did without actually trying something new.

>>51949307
>t.numale

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>>51949323
>>51949302

>>51949095
He may be thinking of Warhammer miniature that could've been sold, but weren't.

TW:WH linked to a dead "BUY THE MINIATURES" thing for months because GW had just axed the page when the game came out.

Every time I see people fight about AoS I'm glad I stopped caring about fantasy post 3ed edition.
AoS players are so passive aggressive and childish and never actually talk about their game when defending it, they just talk about their sales. I don't understand what the selling point of it even is. No one is even defending stormcast theyre just...being smug that the product they spend unreasonable amounts of money on isn't an abject failure.

I never see this sort of childish behavior outside of gw games.

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>>51949402

>>51949307
Infinity is a good game.

I've never seen anyone argue against this. It's only major flaws are some of the old models are poor quality and the aesthetic isn't for everyone.
It's fast, balanced well enough, and has tactical depth.
What don't you like about it? Have you even played? Even watched a battle report?

>>51949402
I have regarding MtG, video games and sports fun. When something is popular retarda will flock to it.

Why play AoS when warmachine and Malifux are a thing is beyond me

>>51947075
I didn't want to get involved, but do you actually even play AoS? Cos it's fairly clear you either don't or you're just shitposting for the hell of it.

Kurnoth Hunters + bows is a strong ranged unit, one of the best in the game, but they're in no way an insta-win unit. Orcs can kill them with minimal losses if the player knows what they're doing.

>>51949451
>but they're in no way an insta-win unit.
Yeah, it's their army.

>>51944931
So far, only Kings of War and Age of Sigmar are played regurarly. I live in South Texas, inbetween Austin and San Antonio, so I go to both, and WHFB seems pretty much dead. There's no tournaments, no people talking about it, no pictures of people playing it, nothing. Even my FLGS has a couple still wrapped copies of 8th ed. On its shelves.

However, both KoW and AoS are doing exceedingly well. Anyone on Alamo City wargaming or Red Star Wargaming only need to look at the main page to see the AoS events and KoW tournaments.

As a person who owns a lot of ex-whfb minis I bought during the huge WHFB IS DEAD craze, I find mysrlf using them mostly in AoS, since its jusy easier to. Kings of War has no appeal, sinces its primarily infantry, and I own quite a few of the bigger kits.

Although I do like WHFB's setting, I dont care for the system. I might pick up an 8th ed. Book if I can work the price down, but overall, I see no point in trying to go "back". I'll just enjoy the 40 years of what was already made.

>>51949402
There were a lot of attempts to defend it when it came out. Even as a diehard AoS fan, I'll admit that it was very hard to defend at that time. However, a lot of lines were drawn at that time, a lot of people made it clear what they had in mind to consider AoS a success or a failure, and AoS defenders payed attention.

Now, those arguments have been destroyed - and yes, a lot of it was that the game was going to flop spectacularly - and new goalposts have been placed, while AoS fans are still bringing up answers to the arguments that had been made for literal years.

>>51949451
That's actually one of AoS' biggest strengths. no matter the deathstar, the weakest pissant of a unit can theoretically take it down.

>>51948788
Im not a fa/tg/uy in the slightest, and I bought TW:WH cause it looked like a lot of fun. And it really got me into the setting, I started doing some reading and took a liking to the Skaven, I was even planing on buying some of their models. But then I started seeing age of sigmar pop up and reading about the new Skaven really turns me off of the game. It seems like they tried to make them less uterly repulsive so that they could apeal to a wider audience, they removed all the character and now they just feel like a generic horde race like gnolls or some shit. From what ive read all the races kinda feel like that now, hollowed out high fantasy versions of their former selves.

>>51949296
Buy Spire of dawn. Two armies for cheap. Good models too.

>>51949450
In regards to miniatures I mean, gw is the only one popular enough to attract these sorts.
Also AoS at least has your dudes. I dislike the fact that you have to play with canon characters in warmahordes and malifaux, but they are very good games comparatively, malifaux in particular.

Who cares about the Trees.

Fucking Beastriders wreck everything and only Sigmarines can stop them.

>>51949345
Hah, GW have been doing that for years, so many dud links its almost a meme.

>>51949504
>WHFB 8th edition
>:good models
pick one
Also
>Two armies for cheap.
Only one, Highborn are useless.

>>51949480
I live in San Antonio and this is true.

Most people's gripe isn't the game rules for AoS I find, it's the utter Fuck up of the lore and aesthetic

>>51949524
>Only one, Highborn are useless.
Swifthawks are fucking amazing, I don't know what you're on about.

>>51949547
>Swifthawks are fucking amazing
Not an full army adn they aren't good especially with old minis

>>51948490
They were trained to be that way. Up until the ironjawz release the AoS threads had at LEAST two WHFB shut posters at all times

>>51949520
It's fucking retarded when you're getting the biggest fucking tie in product you've ever fucking gotten.

At this point it's almost mesmerizing to see how they fail upwards as a company.
Like every single decision they make is fucking retarded, and yet they somehow make money.

>>51949569
They're monobuild, but that build is good. Especially with the Reavers and Sea Guard added to their ranks.

>>51944931
They are boring not!Supermarines, they "crossbows" are fucking bolters with bow at the end for fuck sakes. Than they look fat and woweske armor doesn't help.
Plus the fluff and the setting are so unsubstancial than is a slog rather than a pleasure to read it, so fuck it even Gotrek and felix at the end was better.

>>51949606
>but that build is good.
Nope.
Bad units, no formations or artifacts.

>>51949544
Over the night axe of the game was a bad move.

I say over the night because till it came out we where having things like WH:TW and story progression for WHF.

Replacing the old standing marine statue for the sigmarine didn't help either. Since they kick the 40k players cage two with the release of AoS

Maybe if they made it as spinoff and slowly kill WHF the butt hurt would not have been so big or vocal

>>51949524
Those models are objectively objectively good, literal best existing gryphon model of any company and the skaven are very good minis as well. The sword masters are questionable but the sea guard are fantastic and the wizard isn't bad either.
>>51949504
It's called island of blood reeeee
That said I'v played AoS with my old fantasy stuff. It's competent, but the lore is an utter turnoff.

>>51949625
What do you consider to have good units and formations? I know they only have the one formation, but that one formation is incredible in my eyes.

>>51949402
It was a lot to do with the response to WHFB dying, a lot of the shit was "WHFB died for this?" and the responses were "WHFB died because nobody bought it". Which is true, dying sales were the reason the dropped it. And dying sales were to do with the high cost of entry. AoS was meant to fix that. And it did, AoS is really easy to get into.

That plus 'ded gaem'.

Reality is that AoS did bump sales a little, and GHB bumped them a lot.

Its hard to explain the appeal of something to someone who doesnt want to listen. Most people who badmouth the game never actually played it.

>>51949501
They all feel hollow because they barely have any fluff.
Read some of the tomes, the FEC ones is by far one of my favorite reinventions of a WHFB faction.

>>51949599
Most people arent retarded enough to see a dead link and immediately drop the idea of buying the models. The problem was likely on the actual games compainies side anyway.

>>51949599
They have valuable ip and niche entrenchment. It takes a lot to fuck that up fully, but nuking one of their ips is a good start.

>>51949666
>What do you consider to have good units and formations?
Any new Battletome, SCE, Sylvaneths and Tzeench can do anything better than IoB Highbornes.

>>51949675
>and GHB bumped them a lot.
Proofs?

>>51949675
>Most people arent retarded enough to see a dead link and immediately drop the idea of buying the models. The problem was likely on the actual games compainies side anyway.

They nuked the gameline just as the biggest tie in product they've ever had dropped, and removed the "Buy shit here" link.

I literally cannot think of a worse way to handle a big tie in product.
I literally cannot.

>>51949722
>>51949067
>https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Combined-document-with-front-page.pdf

I don't really like the AoS lore. And a lot of the designs just look bad in my eyes. And I really dislike the new names they've come up with (Soulblights, Deathrattles, Deathmages; actually, most of the really dumb epithets belong to the undead).

>>51944931

Because they're fucking try-hards. That's the short answer.

>>51949801
>https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Combined-document-with-front-page.pdf
Was rleased before GHB
Also
>several years
wow, so better than 8th edition and End Times year? Impressive.

>>51949777
Suing the company that made the tie in?

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>>51944931

because they're space marines in fantasy from what I can tell, which imo is a goofy reason

I've definitely warmed up to them over time.

>>51949675
>because they dont have any fluff
The real problem is at their core all the races are extremely generic now, and no ammount of fluff can fix that.

>>51949829
>Soulblights, Deathrattles, Deathmages
This is painful.

>>51948681
>having contempt over plastic toys
The warboss is possibly the best ork model I've seen as it lends itself to endless conversions for aos and 40k ork players. Its what i imagine when i think of an alpha ork. When it was first released that fucking mini was out of stock for weeks because it was that good. A good sculpt is a good sculpt regardless of all your reeeeeeeeeee ing

>>51950002
>A good sculpt
>armor without any detailes
>good sculpt

>>51949909
You know, I didn't even consider that as an option.
I expect them to get on it any minute now.

>>51949915
Also they literally don't have personality.
Like with space marines and fantasy knights there's the possibility of relatable characters, or at least recongizeable characters from taking the helmet off.
Here they explicitly wrote around that, so they're all just big blobs of generic "Coolness", except they're just kind of silly.

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>>51944931
because they replaced brets (don't need knights when you have bigger, golder knights)

They look stupid and are OP in the lore. Good guys are supposed to be the underdog (batman) versus OP assholes (superman).

They made sigmar a whiny faggot whereas before he was a cooldude.

They have way too many units whereas other races are ignored.

>>51950078
Wasn't Louen, all the Grail Knights, all the Damsels, and all the Fay Enchantresses supposed to have formed the new human pantheon? How'd that pan out?

>>51950115
Chaos

>>51950078

>Batman
>A good hero
>A good character

Your opinion is shit. Your opinion is such shit that I'm considering moving past my dislike of stormcast eternals just so i can safely tell myself i have nothing in common with retards like you. But I can't give up on my love of Brets even if you have sullied them by association ...fuck you for poisoning the well you mary sue loving faggot. Fuck you.

>>51950027
Except that's not the case. They do have character and personality.

Hell one of the problems they face is that each time they have to be Reforged they risk losing a bit of that.

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>>51944931
>GW is trapped in its own cycles of guilt.
>Sigmarines are a manifestation of this.
>Thus they, as the material reflection of GW's crimes, draw all the hate created by said crimes.

>>51950078
>Batman

>>51950078

What a little fucking troll he is.

>>51950078
>Batman
>Good character
It is basically the Mary Sue of the edgy characters.


Bretonia? Some anons claim Bretonia is part of AoS. Still calling bullshit on that I haven't seen any Bretonia model in AoS

Then again I stop caring about WHF around the end of 6th when GW went turbo into fucking up the thing

>>51950136
I used a reference people would get. My point is batman is a man who fights people stronger than him and superhumans.
Superman is a god and is stronger than anyone, therefore his fights have less impact as there is less to overcome other than "i fight gud".

But you are a retard and had to focus on the least important part of my point, better to use an obscure character nobody would get right?
Go ahead and collect your Snorecast Eternals you faggit

>>51950125
Well, shit.

>>51950078
I always liked those old 6e models.

>>51944931
For lack of better wording, Sigmarines are capeshit fantasy thrown unto a setting that has been steadily building and growing from a very well researched (compared to most fantasy anyway) background, completely upsetting the core identity. And with their introduction did the whole setting become capeshit fantasy.

>>51950136
>>51950176
>>51950179
>>51950212

ITT why real people with friends and lives will never play table top games.

>>51950217

See the thing is you could have made that point by just saying good guys are supposed to be the underdog. There was no need to provide an example, and there could not possibly be a worse example you could have given. He's not even a proper underdog. If you read fucking comics you would know that.

>>51950308

I can have taste in comic books and still manage to have friends mate.

>>51950308
Oh come on batman is basically pop culture at this point. If he made an example of an obscure as fuck character maybe.

>>51944931
Because GW ruined a perfectly good setting right when it was about to have some great selling whfb vidya come out.

But it's not like GW has a good track record for good financial decisions.

>>51950332
>Hey anon cool to invite me to your game night. Hi anons friends. Oh cool, are those orcs? Like from Warcraft?
>ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID?!?!? WARCRAFT ORCS?!?!! THESE ARE DIFFERENT AND THOSE ORCS ARE FOR PLEBS REEEEEEEEE

Things like this have actually happened.

>>51950381
Really? I pity your life.

Who I'm kidding people go full retard with sports too. Everything has autistic cunts that scare people away

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>>51950175
Not to mention the desire to get those sweet brouzouf

>>51950019
>gives a weak argument and presumes to drop the mic
Last i checked, what makes the sculpt great is more about the overall composition rather than a detail that a lazy faggot can't see potential customization in. Prefer warboss to overly busy garbage like Rowboat Girlymans upcoming model as daemon prince of Tzeentch

>>51950381

Listen mate, I sperg out here on /tg/, cause that's just what you do on the internet. Someone tells me they like batman IRL I ask them why and what their favorite runs where, hold a bit of a discussion, and then try to steer the conversation elsewhere. Believe it or not you can be abrasive on 4chan and still function perfectly normally in person.

>>51949450
Because the artstyle for warmawhores and maulifag is MtG/WoW tear garbage with a touch of Overwatch Capeshit gayness. I really hate the artstyle for those games and strugglingly try not to throw-up when I see them being played. Its fun, I get it, but so is League of Losers and other garbage universes, its gives off the teenage capeshit angst and I'm just not for uncompelling, bland, universes. I throw that genre beside minecraft

>>51950165
>Marry sues
>have character and personality

>>51950713
Who the fuck kicked your cage?

>>51946846
tomb king had old models, but they also had fairly recent ones, such as the tomb guards, the snek riders and the necrosphinx of doom
not to mention the old guys aged well

>>51947043
i'll gladly laugh when the good old settra and his old skellies buddy tear some stormcast asses
also the khorne bloodhound are kind of meh, despite being a new army

>>51951140
>i'll gladly laugh when the good old settra and his old skellies buddy tear some stormcast asses
But they already do in the GW Tournament

>>51949323
>>51949446

Have you ever fucking played infinity? You can basically lose the game because you failed the initiative roll at the start, but it's okay because the game will only last that one turn that Achilles needs to eviscerate your entire squad from the Lt. down.

Maybe this is my fault for playing our local That Guy Cheesemongerer, but he didn't nearly pound me that hard in an actually balanced game, like Dropfleet recently.
Even if, in Dropfleets case you should probably wait for Corvettes to come out because you can still cheese it by spamming Troop Transports right now.

>>51947592
And perhaps more importantly, making every fucking army the same mix of "heavy cavalry, monstrous creatures". When I saw the 8th edition TK army book, I cried tears of dust and scarab shells.

>>51953029
8th ed was "huge infantry hordes and chariots : the game". I love mass infantry, I only ever played infantry armies, and I miss 6th ed when heavy cavalry was actually useful.

AoS is a good game, it's easy to learn, there's a lot of depth when you look at how war scrolls interact, it's much faster than 40k or WFB and you don't need as many models to get an army started.

People who don't like AoS had made up their minds on day 1. There isn't any point in trying to convince them to have an open mind and try it.

Mostly because the ruleset is so garbage that it manages to be a bloated mess with 4 pages of rules.

Friday there was an AoS game at my LFGS, 40 minis on the table, 3 hours. Both players were experienced.

>>51953209
Uh-huh. Did they also look like fat disgusting abominations that wear diapers while you guys told them to fuck off to make place for real toy soldier games? :^)c

>>51953275
No, it's one store employee and a regular player, I thing the regular player is an uni student. The store employee is a bit chubby but not burger-tier fat. Both are nice and since there's 12 tables in the store there was no need to tell them to fuck off.

Nice projecting tho.

I was genuinly entertained when playing Storm of Sigmar, and that was only 13(ish?) models.

It's the checkers of miniatures games. Just play it casually and you won't have to see sigmemes at all.

>>51953163

The problem with Cavalry is that it oscillated between being an insta-win button and being useless.

Essentially with 8th they overbuffed every OTHER unit type whilst nerfing Cavalry indirectly by changes to chargers and casualty removal.
Not that the changes to casualty removal didn't need to happen. But removing ASF from Charges made High Elves with their universal ASF needlessly powerful.
So what do they do? They give troops with ASF and a higher initiative than their opponent the ability to reroll misses.

I cannot imagine how that rule managed to get in, I can only assume it was supposed to be one of the playtest rules meant to nerf cavalry that was supposed to get removed but stayed in due to another one of GW's classic poor communications based blunders the likes of which gave us Chaos Dwarf Hats and the original Nagash Model.

So Heavy Cavalry doesn't drop in points, but loses the ability to strike first on the charge and they wont be able to stop big units from fighting back by murdering every fucker in the front row anymore.
Meanwhile, Infantry get Horde Rules and the ability to fight in two ranks and Sword + Shield now gives them a 6++. Monstrous anythings get varying flavours of stomp and even more attacks from the second rank and Beasts... well they didn't get much buffs but at least they're piss-cheap. Meaning they're now going to get taken as the default cavalry choice.

Seriously, the only cavalry I can remember seeing on the table for the entirety of 8th edition were Hexwraiths, and that's because they didn't ride horses so much as flying spectral blocks of fucking cheese.
Oh, and that one guy who plays Brettonians, because 5++ across the board and some suspiciously high-rolling dice covers a fuckton of deficiencies.

>>51954216
>the likes of which gave us Chaos Dwarf Hats and the original Nagash Model.
Please tell me more.