Modern General

>>51938224
DUDE THIS MM IS HYPE GUYS IM FUCKING SHAKING THESE BOXES ARE GONNA CONTAIN SO MUCH FUCKING VALUE. LITERALLY A BOX FILLED WITH MONEY I CANT BELIEVE WOTC IS SO AWESOME

I NEVER LEARN ANYTHING FROM PAST MM SETS

>>51938270
>I'M A HUGE FAGGOT PLEASE RAPE MY FACE

Hopes for MM3?
Cavern still, also Voice of Resurgence
Opinions on MM3?
Seems good so far
Thoughts on the current meta?
It's alright. Death's Shadow is showing up a lot but I think the meta and players can adjust. I'm sure someone will complain that blue control isn't the number one deck as always though
Thoughts on Wizards bannings of late?
Not as awful as they once were

Remember this product has to:
- have a lot of good reprints in all rarities without cluttering dogshit like Comet Storm or Kamigawa Dragons
- be available in huge quanities
- 36 packs per box
- have regular MSRP

If all these conditions, then it's a steaming pile of fucking shit and you should be ashamed for buying it and perpetuating this cycle of shit Masters product. This product line has historically been the most anti-consumer relative to its purpose, which presumably has been to make Modern more accessible, and they make no effort to change their shit design this past five years because people keep fucking buying it.

If you're going to flame me back, justify why you think this product isn't allowed to be better than it is. inb4 phoneposters poorfag/u mad

>>51938224
Im hoping for Craterhoof Behemoth. My green edh decks and my modern elves deck could use a copy each.

I know it wont happen but Snapcaster being rare would be great. So would be Noble Hierarch reprint but I also doubt it.

Do you think Goyf and Bob will make the cut?

>only a few cards shown
>everyone already circlejerking about how awesome the set is

For some reason I feel like this has happened before...

>>51938321
>Being against phoneposting
It's 2017, grandpa, people have places to be

>>51938321
Phoneposter and legacyfag here, master sets suck.

>>51938321
When you say regular MSRP do you mean like standard boosters or actually being sold at the MSRP wizard's currently has for it (e.g. not the first modern masters)?

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>tfw landfall rallier deck

>>51938321
>Kamigawa dragons

Despite them being shit, I'm still glad i sold my foiled Kokusho for 100$ when he was used in standard.

Shit was so cash.

>>51938287
If voice gets a reprint, what does that do to Dragon's Maze packs? Is it possible for packs to achieve negative value?

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>>51938393
I felt I was drawing the wrong half of my deck too often when I played it

>>51938356
Go and look at the rares in MM15. What we've seen today already kicks the shit out of that garbage set. It may be trash in the end, but signs point to it being slightly less trash than the previous MM. And some people are just going to buy singles, and are happy these reprints might make a dent in their prices.

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>tfw not investorfag
>tfw have no idea what repercussions this set will have
>but it probably means I'll be paying more for a modern deck if I want to play.
Didn't shit like Infinity cost about half the price it is now?

>>51938546
>Infinity

Did you mean Affinity? Yes, it used to be way cheaper but prices increase when new players want the deck and you dont reprint cards.

These reprints mean that their price will decrease but they have the effect of creating an increase in demand later on, which will push back prices up or even higher. This wouldnt happen if this wasnt a limited print run set.

>>51938608
This.

>lets reprint zen fetches in a limited run
>but khans fetches were reprinted in a regular block
>lol who the fuck cares buy more packs goyim

>>51938430
I've tweaked it from the original list but I find most matches you just have to Mulligan if you can't put pressure on. You really don't wanna be the control

>>51938546
Don't worry anon, the single prices actually drop for a spell and do stay lower than they would without these reprints, it's just some Jewing around with some cards like Tarmogoyf that fucks things around, and the fact that some much needed cards didn't get the reprints they needed last round on grounds of the fact that MM15 was utter dogshit.

About a month or so after the set drops is when the singles should be at their all time low, as I recall. Then they'll rise slightly, but supply generally beats out demand unless you're Mox Opal and some idiots popularized Lantern Control.

>>51938546
>but it probably means I'll be paying more for a modern deck if I want to play.
That's not how reprints work bub, you'll see a window where you can get everything for cheaper and make money too

>>51938677
That's not how economy works in mtg either apparently though, I mean has anyone here ever had any trouble getting any of the modern cards they wanted? Because I never had a single problem getting any of the original legacy/vintage dual lands either yet apparently there is a scarcity of them that makes them worth 100€+/card.

>>51938710
What are you talking about? After reprints most of the modern cards see a dip in price aka the window I was talking about and then start rising afterwards. Don't know why you even replied to me desu

>green limited archetype is token based

Id jizz my pants if they reprinted doubling season

>>51938753
>After reprints most of the modern cards see a dip in price

In the last modern masters they didn't see any significant price drop.

>>51938784
Doubling Season is more or less useless in typical constructed.

Just print out a copy for non-sanctioned play. If people are giving you shit about proxies in a non-sanctioned format tell them to fuck off.

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What are the chances of blood moon and chalice of the void reprint?

>>51938867
0 and possibly but I doubt it

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3-rounder shop weekly today

played
>UW Jerks!

rounds
>2-1 Merfolk
>2-0 UTron
>2-1 Lantern

prize
>$16 in credit for 1st

What would modern have been like if these votes had gone differently?
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/selecting-eighth-edition-wrapup-2002-11-25

>>51938934
>No Bridge
>No Blood Moon
All around improvement

>>51938968
But what if Blood Moon was reprinted in 9th edition even if it lost the 8th edition vote?

>>51938968
Blood moon is one of the few answers to greedy mana bases and tron. As ridiculous as the card is

>>51938981
Then it would be shit and nothing would be different, why even ask?

>>51938983
#ReprintWasteland

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>>51938983
>Blood Moon
>Answering Tron

>>51938983
Well you've really got to build your whole deck around blood moon if you want to use it, so if tron ever becomes too strong people can just build more aggressive decks rather than blood moon decks anyway. Cards that keep decks in check don't really work unless you can slot them into your deck without major changes.

>>51939024
>Well you've really got to build your whole deck around blood moon if you want to use it
Tell that to legacy Jund.

>>51939024
>Well you've really got to build your whole deck around blood moon if you want to use it
doesn't Affinity run Blood Moon?

>>51939049
I will when they're using it

>>51938904

Post your list, sounds close to my white hatebears with Judge's Familiar and other blue shenanigans?

>>51939091
Yeah but affinity happens to be already built such that they can cast nearly everything through blood moon anyway, so that's a notable exception.

>>51939049
this is a good joke
only playable deck that runs Blood Moon in Legacy is Sneak and Show, as a sideboard card

the card really needs to be build around. Sneak and Show doesn't give a fuck about the drawback because it needs 2U and force backup (someitmes) to nearly win the game on the spot
and it's secondary wincon requires all R to cast and use anyway

>>51939198
>Implying Miracles doesn't run Blood Moon

>>51938813
Last MM wsa generally regarded as trash since everything was mythic and the set had no little to no value outside the mythics.

But just to prove you wrong here are some cards that dropped in price
>goyf dropped 20 and is on a downward trend currently
>dark confidant
>karn dropped for a little bit but rose around ogw
>same thing with bitterblossom
>emrakul fell but is on the rise right now
>v clique fell
>all is dust fell
>Cryptic command fell after it's mm2 printing
Noble heirarch fell but is seeing some action right now

And before you ask for source you can check mtgoldfish on the price history of paper cards.

>inb4 the amounts aren't significant because they didn't nuke the value of a card

>>51939002
Are you implying it doesnt you scrub?

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>Reading through lists from Modern Open Indy, check out the Abzan decks
>http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=111964
>a single Overgrown Battlement
>mfw

Sylvan Caratyd seems like a better option if you want a Bolt-proof dork, all Battlements does is get around Anger of the Gods, unless I'm missing something

>>51939291
Also blocks nacatl I guess

>>51939254
He probably plays a deck with no clock

>>51938354
With the bant angel showing up hierarch getting another reprint wouldn't shock me in the slightest. Plus I need 3 of them along with caverns to finish off bant eldrazi so I'm optimistic that both cards show up at rare.

>fetch lands
>guild gates and tri lands

They can fuck off with their limited excuse this time. Nobody is gonna have fun with mana fixing that doesn't grab fuck all

>>51939399
Isn't this exactly the same mana fixing as khans? Fetches, tapped tri's, tapped (untyped) duals?

>>51938867
At this point if we get an artifact answer card I expect it will be engineered explosives with the multi color theme suggested by the lands spoiled thus far. Which sucks because chalices are way to goddamned expensive.

>>51939433
chalice seems more like an eternal masters card desu.

Even though it should be reprinted along with blood moon and explosives

>>51939198
Doesn't big red run blood moon main? Or is it too much of a meme to count?

>>51939215
fuck i forgot about miracles
oh well
my point was that Blood Moon can only be run in decks that don't have really strict color costs and can afford to fetch basics
Jund does not fit in to that category at all

>>51938867
>blood moon
maybe
>chalice
0
I'm convinced the price spike not too long ago was due to insider info saying CotV is not in

>>51939607
Or maybe the spike was the fact that Eldrazi Tron runs 4 in main/side, coupled with the cheerios and Baral Storm memes?

>>51939607
>Magic insider trading

Holy fuck I never even thought about this.

Is this a thing? Are there documentrd instances of it?

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rate my meme build

>>51939798
Even if there isn't insider trading in the sense of people knowing about reprints beforehand and using that info to do buyouts etc(though I assume there is) the fact that starcity and the like consistently buyout cards(standard/modern fringe cards) to artificially inflate prices and restrict availability is criminal and would be heavily prosecuted in the "real world".

>>51939870
Is the white for just PtE really worth it or is there a bunch of white in the sideboard? Because splashing a third color for just one card seems wrong.

>>51939870
Needs dismember for shadow synergy/10

>>51939870
Why would you play Death's Shadow without Street Wraith?

>>51939911
Did you missed Unmaking?

>>51939870
Get rid of meme pushes and throw in Dismembers + one more Unmaking instead of maybe one visions.

>>51939870
Chalice/10

>>51939949
Yeah totally missed that my bad. However Unmaking seems so meh, like with all the counters, pushes and paths do you really need a "catch all" in the main that bolts you and doesn't hit lands?

Best Sideboard cards against Jund in white?

>>51940042
In esper DS deck it'sactually good, lowers your health and removes everything except for lands.

But for that you can even sideboard fulminators + surgical.

>>51939940
saw a grixis death's shadow list(Ryan overturf I think?) that had no street wraith and what could go wrong by making something that might actually be good into something that's probably not good

>>51939911
Anguished + sideboard potential

>>51939949
>>51939916
I like the push because I fight a lot of colonnade decks, I don't actually know how many life-loss effects I need for death's shadow to be at it's best but I like the dismember idea

>>51939951
:^(

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>>51939109

>>51940151
That list was more so a grixis delver running death's shadow and thoughtseize as opposed to a grixis death's shadow list.

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This kills the Sun Titan.

>>51940263
>Ahh, it's over…
>My sun… is setting…

>>51940164
That is a spicy UW death and taxesesque deck. Is it any good? And are the maindeck revokers actually worth it, feels more like a sideboard card in modern.

>>51940263
>when she has a dick

I always liked terminate

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Molten Rain is in as well, but they only revealed the art and confirmed an upshift to uncommon. Actual card tomorrow.

>>51940367
I thought it was a downshifted dreadbore, completely forgot terminate was a card, I need sleep.

What are the best cards for a Whir of invention toolbox?

Ensnaring Bridge, obviously. But what else?

What sleeves should I get for infect? What goes well with blue/green cards?

>>51940187
so would it be better to shift more towards a normal DS plan as opposed to delver+DS since I don't have access to bolt in esper?

>>51940428
That would make some sense since Dreadbore is from RTR. I'm glad it's Terminate though.

>tfw doing well with The Fae
Soon we shall ascend from meme status friends

>>51940434
I'm no expert but, torpor orb, chalice, relic, grafdiggers cage, engineered explosives all seem good

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>death's shadow jund
>only threats are 1 and 2 CMC
unleash the secret kamigawa tech

>>51940806
>Threads death's shadow
>have more than 13 life
>it dies
>g2
>wait until after I have less than 13 life
>it never happens, he kills me in a 17-0 burst

I just don't see why you'd run this over fatal push, which isn't sideboard material.

>>51940806
>Implying you're not dead befor they can cast that
>Implying if your life total is high enough for a deaths shadow to live you're not about to die anyways
>Implying that didn't get inquisitioned 4 turns ago

>they actually reprinted guildgates
Wow wotc has no respect for the secondary market at all. Us investors help keep the game alive and this is how they repay us? I've put thousands of dollars into guildgates and this is just a slap in the face. Might as well start reprinting storm crow at common now, no need to account for the people keeping the game alive and how their wallets take a hit every time you decide to "help the players" with stupid charity like this.

>>51938360
>Current Year

>>51940806
You cannot 1 for 1 against Jund if you're a full turn behind, and not even draw-go'n. Bad tech.

>>51940934
Better sell your maze ends before the bubble bursts anon

>>51940934
I know you're b8ing, but how is it that investors keep the game alive?

>>51941156
they don't that's the point of the post

>>51940434
needle
expedition map
spellbombs
spellskite
my superion
thopter foundry
ethersworn canonist/trinisphere
welding jar
mindlock orb

>>51940434
what's the highest X you can get with Whir in such a deck

cause Mindslaver, Plat Angel, Wurmcoil, Sundering Titan are all mono-U tron artifact wins that are pretty good

>>51941269
I don't know. But all of those seem like extreme win conditions. I'd like to keep the CMC low, because I've already got a win condition built into the deck I'm brewing.

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>Turn 3 Karn on the Play

>>51938546
In 2014 a really good affinity deck was 600 bucks (no foils or fancy shit, just a tuned list). Hasn't changed alot since.

>>51941836
>when you gq + surgical extract tower and set up the crucible lock 5 turns later to rub their face in it
Only thing that feels better is cryptic command bounce + esper charm shenanigans desu

>>51941836
BTFO burn player

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as far as what decks are on here, am i missing anything important?

>>51940434
altar of the brood
liquidmetal coating

those plus saheeli rai are an infinite mill combo that win on the spot

as far as utility artifacts, tormod's crypt, grafdigger's cage, any of the lifegain aftifacts against burn and aggro, staff of domination, witchbane orb if you can get that much mana, or thopter foundry and sword of the meek.

>>51940918
>>51940931

threads the goyf dumbshits

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>>51941836
>Turn 3 Karn on the Play

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>>51941836

>>51942281
what about jeskai delver?

>>51942708
What about it? I don't think anyone plays that

How do I beat tron yet also play a fun deck?

>>51942842
Run ghost quarter + surgical.

>>51942720
:( sorry I forgot

>>51942338
That doesn't stop the death's shadow coming in for 16 with trample next turn.

>>51942947
Black is too good now
It literally has everything

>>51942964
I played the deck for the first time tonight, and steamrolled everyone.
This deck is fucking retarded. Even 2-0'd burn, which I was not expecting.
Best play of the night was dealing 28 from one Death's Shadow against Jund.

>I can finally buy Verdant Catacombs

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What is this shit doing taking up a rare slot?

>>51943005
>tfw bought 4 the other week
>they were the only zen fetches I didn't have
All these people being happy makes me angry

>>51943031
>he doesn't play best command

HAHAHAHHA

>>51942985
How?

>>51943054
That's not cryptic though devotion cuck

>>51943062
I was at 6 with a Death's Shadow on the field. All he had was a Kalitas
I had Temur Battle Rage and Ghor Clan in my hand with 3 lands. Then I drew Bloodstained Mire. Crack my fetch to get it to 10, Ghor Clan to make it 14, and then Battle Rage to make it 28.
He was at 24 life from Scooze and Finks, but even blocking my Deaths Shadow would have been lethal.

>>51942281
Shit chart.

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How does this look for my third Iteration of White Hatebears?

>>51943807
needs more bears

>>51943031
>he doesn't like tooth and nail decks
best command desu senpai

If there's no Cavern of Souls I'll still be disappointed.

>>51943890
I used to as well until I went 4-0 against my friend's equally jank fairy tribal.

I managed to resolve only 1 arbor elf each game while having literally everything else countered and my lands GQ'd.

That took almost all of the wind out of the deck for me.

>>51943969
Sorry, went 0-4. I never won a game

>>51943959
It's either a single land slot between A and D that's realistically either Cavern of Souls or City of Brass.

So uh, extreme casual player here: I havent really bought any MTG related stuff for almost ten years now. Just a few pre-built decks ive found in stores from time to time.

So I was looking up what blocks are currently legal for standard format, and it seems like core sets do not exist any longer? Is that correct?

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One Swagtusk, hold the rarity.

>>51944307
I like it.

>>51943031
Here at Wizards of the Coast, we believe the key to making great masters sets is to have the total expected value of the set be identical to it's MSRP, while also creating a sweet draft environment!

Joking aside I'm buying some. Dat old art with the new text layout, it is quite sexy.

>>51941836
>playing midrange the tappening
It's your own fault.

>>51940263
>sun titan getting reprinted with the standard art
Oh well at least red black got something cool.....

>>51941156
The claim investors make, which actually has some solid ground behind it, is that they purchase the largest amount of sealed product, which is very positive for the game store retailers and helps keep them afloat, and game stores are really the life blood of this game. I've never heard a solid argument for how speculating on singles helps the game other than retarded claims about infamy and collectibility insuring longevity, but the collectors/investors actually do have a mild impact when they decide to pre-order 10-20 booster boxes

>>51944919
>The claim investors make, which actually has some solid ground behind it, is that they purchase the largest amount of sealed product
There's literally nothing supporting this idea though

>>51944966
When was the last time you bought 12 cases of a set. You are fucking nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to investors anon. Your lgs is an investor, you are an open market leech.

>>51945054
There's far more players than investors though, by a massive margin. Investors don't even come close to purchasing the most sealed product.

>>51945068
Not a single player buys directly from a distributor. You're delusional. Next time you go to your lgs ask them how many cases they open to get you your singles you buy.

>>51945098
Those aren't investors, that's retarded. Buying from a distributor with the intent to resell ASAP isn't investing in product. And in any case my LGS gets most of its singles from MTGO redemption in actuality.

HOW DO I MODERN EGGS?

No, really, how? You can play a janky eggs deck in standard atm using (Totally not an Atog) Ravenous Intruder and I want deck like that to play.

>>51945098
I was speaking to my lgs owner about this. Theyre an advanced store and we were talking about a recent video by Rogue Deckbuilder where Kevin was complaining about margins on product and getting jerked around on supply by distributors. I mentioned that Kevin was allocated 24 boxes of the latest set and the LGS owner was taken aback? "Only 24 boxes? Is it even a WPN store?"

>>51945119
Lgs' are the main investors you retard, when you buy a box from them they are literally selling potential loss to you.

>>51945157
If I'm buying a box from the LGS I'm the purchaser of the product, the LGS is just an intermediary. They're not investing in a box they sell to me, no more than a super market invests in beef or vegetables.

>>51945067
>Ugly Venser
Well fuck.

>>51945173
Go to school and learn how wrong you are. If you think a grocery store isnt a buisness you're a child.

>>51945173
Nice try commy.

You probably dont even have a business degree.

>>51944294
Yes, core sets no longer exist.
We now have two blocks per year, and every fall, the two oldest blocks in the format rotate.
Currently, Standard is comprised of the Battle for Zendikar, Shadows over Innistrad, and Kaladesh blocks, with Amonkhet coming in April.
BFZ and SOI will rotate when the block after Amonkhet enters the format in September.

>>51945202
>grocery store isn't a beef investor
>this means they're not a business
you 'investor' fags really think the world revolves around you

>>51945148
Being a lowest level WPN store seems like its simply suffering for the sake of it. My LGS is an old gaurd max level WPN where a few modern day pros cut their teeth and I know the family who owns it. They spend hours cracking boxes to make sure it stays succesful and its annoying when people say places like this dont deserve to profit from their labor because they have bought 6 booster boxes before.

>>51945217
ok thanks. that clears it up a bit. its strange though, i thought having core sets was a good idea, a good backbone so to speak.
So what do you mean when a block roates then? That it goes out of standard format?

Is it worth buying a box now that wizards wants to kill modern?

I want to get into Modern but I don't know what to build between Valakut Breach or Goryo.

Which one is the most fun to play and why ?

>>51943807
Fucking garbage please stop posting it

>>51945126
Play the Sram combo deck in Modern

>>51939796
possible
it jumped from like 17 to 40ish on OGW release
so if i'm wrong and it didn't spike because of inside info then there's still a chance it gets in (it was in MM1 after all)
I would personally welcome it, even if i did buy a set just before it jumped again. it shouldn't be a 60 dollar card

>>51939796
Chalice does nothing vs storm since gl sticking it on 2 in time.

>>51946586
bump

>>51939247
Goyf is on a downward trend becuase there are more goyf alternatives

>>51946815
>goyf alternatives
what?
there is no such thing, goyf is far and away the best at what it does - be an efficient, splashable 2cmc beater

actually, one of the newer, hot decks in modern (Death's Shadow) runs goyf as a 4-of, and that he is still trending downwards is somewhat surprising. I can only anticipate this is because people think he will be in MM3. (same thing happened to hierarch a week or so ago)

>>51946903
The people who want goyfs have them, mostly. The "new deck" is a combination of mostly old pieces that were already played. I don't think DS jund is making people run off to buy goyfs.

Maybe DS and Traverses and Tarfires, but not the goyfs.

>t1 mana dork
>T2 flagstones of trokair, harrow
>T3 6 mana

seems pretty okay

>>51947245
>t4 land a threat
>infect kills you
>burn has already won
>jund terminates your threat and keeps beating down
>affinity overruns you
>Tron minuses Karn and keeps rolling

I could go on, but what's the point?

Is it still worth running terminate at all when push exists?
Sincerely, Delver player

>>51947245
>turn 3 karn is somehow not better than this 8 card combo
intradesting

>>51947348

>T3
>threat you land is primetime
>get 2 valakut
>have enough mountains to trigger it

might still b ok

>>51947444
Depends on the meta, do you expect to be facing creatures with 5+ CMC?

>>51947463
Already have answers to tron and scape shift. Can't terminate master of the waves anyway. Can't think of anything else

>>51947463

He's a delver player. He should know that in the mirror if his opponent is running terminates and hes not, his opponents tasigur will get in and he won't.

Keep a terminate or a murderous cut in the sb

>>51947492
Only Delver player at my lgs, but ya I was gonna keep a terminate in sb

>snapcaster at mythic
Oy fucking vey

>>51947669
Draft environment :^)

>>51947669
On the bright side its the first time he's in a masters set, I think.

Is there a gifts control deck that's viable?

This general is pretty shit.

>>51947669
Yeah, I just cancelled my preorders and annulled all my draft appointments. I'm not supporting this kikery.

>>51939798
>Is this a thing? Are there documentrd instances of it?
Yes. Wizards all but admitted that there was a leak to SCG.

>>51947918
What were you expecting?

>>51947669
But goyim, we can't hurt the collectors!

Nevermind, that most of the collectors are store owners, who are going to charge $25 a pack for this anyways, thus profiting no matter what we do.

Now that I think about it, store owners are cancer. Wizards should just ship directly to the customer, or manage their own LGS network.

>>51947669
>he doesn't already own his Snaps
Who cares

>>51947669
So if I want snapcaster I can either crack three MM17 boosters and hope for one or buy one for the same price? Cool.

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So how good is abzan snakes? Looks spicy af

>>51947348
>infect
That's not a deck anymore

>bonfire of the damned at mythic

Just fuck my shit up, Jewpai

>>51948642
Wouldn't you rather have shit cards at high rarity? Ya know, so there is less chance to get them.

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>new snappy art
Almost insulting to go from Volkan Baga to this abomination

>>51948770
WE

Real talk

Is infect still good?

>>51941184
Tormods crypt
Relic
Torpor orb

>>51948828
its okay
tier 1.5

With Goblin Guide, Scalding Tarn, and Arid Mesa getting reprints, is now the best time to build modern burn?

>>51948942
Tiers are usage based

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Path (uncommon)
Inquisition (uncommon)
Grafdiggers Cage (rare)

>>51948642
>Mythics are mostly shitty
>Rare and uncommon is loaded with money
This is the best though

LILI AND GOYF WHEN?

>>51948951
>scalding tarn
Literally no reason. My retarded opponent at the gp said he runs then to throw off his opponent. Yea, I'm so confused as to what you're on when you crack it into suspended rift bolt. I bet you're on jeskai nahiri.

>>51948973
inquisition, terminate, path.

what else uncommon goodies theyll print in?

PLACE YO BETS

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>>51949000

>>51948770
>Mythic
Yep, that sucks.

>>51949013
forgot about krosa, but that art is shit.

im happy with my timeshift ones.

>>51949041
Agreed, I'll still be using my rats
That said, this reprint should lower foil prices of the TS ones so ill hopefully pick those up

>>51948951
Best fetch configuration is 4 wooded, 4 Arid and either 4 bloodstained or scalding .

It's cheaper to run bloodstained so idk why you wouldn't do that, it's not like burn runs blue anymore.

>>51948770
I like this new art, much better than Dribbling Caster or Tiago-chan.
>Mythic
Damn it!

>>51948770
Baga is a good artist but fatchina mage looks silly to many, including me

Who's ready for another EMA fiasco?

>>51949000
Lightning Bolt (at common)
Kitchen Finks
Monastery Swiftspear
Lightning Helix
Remand
Rift Bolt
Manamorphose
Young Pyromancer
Countersquall
Slippery Boggle

>>51948770
Better than slamdunkster mage and on the same level as taigo. Good reprint.

>>51949264
Young pyro fits the rg archetype. He might be in. Im happy if helix, remand and finks are in

>>51948770
Am I the only one who thought that Slamajama mage was charming. I mean, I know it's not fitting in any way, but it did look kinda cute play magic the gathering and then here comes the Space Jam.

Finks is probably in, I'm still praying for cavern and chalice of the void

>>51949363
Na fuck that shitty nigger. If it had a better background it would be better but even that was half assed.

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>>51949431
Ain't no mountain high enough, to stop him bolting you.

>>51949612
Spellsnare and remand say otherwise.

>>51949264
Bolt won't be a common because that would fuck their precious draft environment
Swiftspear was in KtK.

>>51950180
I mean bolt is at 2 dollars, so it doesn't really need a reprint.

>>51949264
>boggle

It would be neat. I want one foiled one for sake of having him but prices for them are fucking retarded and mostly not NM quality.

>>51950230
Domri is only $4 and getting reprinted as a Mythic.

>no Aether Vial mono-W D&T makes top 8

But how

Fucking ban Death's Shadow already.
The card is so fucking obnoxious

>>51950348
It dies to anything except Bolt.

>>51950409
Yea because you get to keep those cards. Obviously people just need to remember removal spells, silly everyone.
It's all I'm playing against now. Jund, Grixis, UB, RB, GB fucking mono black. It's so easy to just molest your hand and dismember your way to a fuck huge DS

Does the narset deck have actual legs or is it just a flavor of the month meme

I want Cawblade

>>51950409
I dies to bolt... to the face

>>51950453
If you're running into bmhand disruption so much, you should get some Leylines.
Death's Shadow is a pretty fair and interactive deck.

>>51950504
I've actually 2-0'd Burn with Deaths Shadow.
It's easily the best deck right now.

>>51950509
Spamming hand disruption is as interactive as burn repeatedly bolting you

>>51950542
Not even close. You actually have to think when you're picking a card.
Any brainless idiot can throw bolts at someone's face.

>>51942281
cool list, funny and covers basically every modern deck

>>51950583
When you have multiple discards not really. You're also just taking anything that would get in the way of your shadow.
Typical jundfags.
>Discard is so hard!

>>51950615
DS doesn't give a shit about what's sitting in front of it, since it's almost always a 6/6 or higher.
Also, I'm saying picking the right card is harder than just throwing bolts around at someone's face.

>>51942281
>Spellweaver Helix
>Oops all spells

What are these two?

My first magic/modern deck was Gx Tron so this is hilarious

>>51950758
Spellweaver Helix is some meme deck I'm only vaguely aware of.

Oops is a legacy deck that I don't think has a Modern counterpart.

>>51950866
I mean... you could play oops, It would just be really fucking bad, less likely to combo off than Grishoalbrand on T1

>>51949080
All of the fetches are functionally the same in burn you mong. The only basics you run are mountains. Technically the best setup is 3 of each fetch to protect you from pithing needle and surgical.

>>51950528
Yeah its gonna cause a meta shift. It struggles with some older decks that have been on the periphery of modern, like merfolk and abzan, but is really good against lightning bolt decks. It won't be the best deck for long, but it will be tier 1 for the foreseeable future.

>>51951524
I played against Jund with it last night and wasn't nearly as hard as I thought it would be. I assume Abzan won't be much different.
I would like to see what it's like against Merfolk, though.

>>51951659
I wish cards just wouldn't have flavour text.

>>51951659

>shitty sideboard jank in the rare slot

it keeps getting worse

>>51951690
Jesus Christ you moron. You want bad cards in those slots.
Have you seen how good uncommon is looking

>>51951690
>relevant cards worth money get printed
>waaah

>>51951681

But why?

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Forgive my ignorance on this but why is this card still hovering above $10? Where is it getting played?

>>51951800
Last I saw it played was in dredgevine about 3/4ths of a year ago

>>51951710

>he thinks they couldn't just print value in each slot

good goyim

>>51951880
Stony silence is at nearly $10 right now, and they're not shifting it's rarity.
If you really want to complain, do it about the miracles taking up mythic slots.

>>51951880
Stony silence is value dumbass

OK so I have this rinkydink w/u deck where I play alot of enchantments (Detention Sphere, Oblivion Ring, Pacifism). I mainly use cards from Born of the Gods and Journey to Nyx set, and recently got Athreos in a booster. I really want to craft a nice w/u/b control deck so I can use Athreos. Any thoughts what I can do?

Oh, I just found out a couple of weeks ago that Circle of Protection: [Color] are legal in modern, so I really wanna use those.

>>51951925
>>51951978

No, no. Stop right there. That faggot was arguing that we have to tolerate shitty cards in higher rarity slots because they will be balanced by the inclusion of superior uncommons.

Please, please die if you support that argument.

>>51951596
Merfolk coincidentally plays a lot of good interaction, like harbinger and vapor snag, while building to a lethal board state that ends the game in one swing. They also care less about cards like tarfire and discard. It seems like the best way to win is through tempo decks, grixis delver with fatal push has also been wrecking it. But that's a good thing though, fair answers to a fair deck.

>>51951999
Look up esper control lists and pick ideas from there

>>51951999
Athreos seems like he'd play kinda nice with Snapcaster

They either eat a bolt (which they probably will) or let you have Snap - x as an option again

>>51949000
aven mindcensor, ghost quarter?

>>51950758
spellweaver helix is a combo an anon on here sometimes memes
Oops is a fringe legacy deck whose combo can theoretically be executed in modern but without the fast mana and free spells it's unplayable

>>51951999
>Circle of Protection
i think story circle is better and even then, almost half of tier 1 will kill you with colorless threats

>>51952548
Oops needs dread return, can't be done in modern.

>>51950274
that's because while we want a reprint it turns out we'd rather pull just about anything else. Take it as a blessing.

>>51953002
you have to run bridge from belows so you can get tokens to convoke endless obedience.

>>51951800
Price memory. Same reason Juzam is $450 and Ali from Cairo $45

>>51952020
I like to draft this as well.
That's how most packs sell well. Are you planning on buying boxes just to crack? Doubt it.
You can bitch about muh limited all you want but it has to be playable or nobody opens packs. Last MM sucked in both regards however

>>51948359
I actually agree with this, I'm surprised to see this many people bitching about not having snapcasters. You fucking fags do you not play any blue ever?

>>51955093
>playing blue
Sorry anon I'm not a fucking faggot

>>51955144
I'm addicted to blue. I can't make decks without it now.
It's so nice having catch all answers for running into combo, having an edge on tron walkers and just general threats. Snap is just icing on the cake

>>51955195
>An edge on Tron Walkers
Show me 1 blue deck with a good tron matchup

>>51955299
Fucking merfolk you idiot. It's at least 50/50

>>51955195
So much this. Whenever I brew something, it always feels naked without some counterspell backup. Don't even have snapcasters.

>>51955299
Mono-U Tron

>>51955299
RUG delver :^]

It's been too long since the last spoiler, man.

I'm getting an itch, man.

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>try to build W/B tokens as a fundeck when I don't have to try really hard
>need inquisitions
>prone to buy conspiracy ones
>decide to wait 2 weeks
>inquisition is in, it's an uncommon

>>51955355
Not a deck and no.
>>51955346
Lol nope.
>>51955339
Depends on build and side, less than 50 without land hate in the board in addition to 4 Spreading Seas.

>>51955809
Spoiler season is like crack, at least once MM is over amonkhet will be up to bat

>everyone freaks out over fetch
>dogshit mythics to tank box prices

Simply ebin

>>51955933
Snap at $40
Lili at $100
More to come as well

The rares and uncommons alone will make the value of boosters pretty high. Why would you want all the value in the mythics? That would hurt everybody

>>51956024
Yeah there is no way the prices of those cards would lower

You literally pay 200 dollars for a box filled with 400 dollars. The absolute madmen wizards

>>51956024
You shouldn't have to be afraid of pulling a mythic.

>>51955905
>and no
Lol like you would know

>>51956145
Given I've played against various RUG piles dozens of times with a winrate of I dunno 90% I'd say yes.

>>51956070
You shouldn't have to be afraid of NOT pulling a mythic.

>>51951800
Casual appeal is one hell of a bitch, sadly.

>>51956170
The mythics right no though are absolutely fucking garbage. The only one worth the price of a pack is snapcaster.

ok gamers im going to build grixis control, should i wait until mm17 drops or get pieces now? mainly worried about ancestral vision shooting the fuck up due to it NEVER EVER being reprinted

>>51956159
And I never lose to Tron.
We can say whatever we want

>>51956216
Why do you want expensive cards to be printed at mythic? The chances of opening a specific rare are higher than that of opening a specific mythic.

>>51956312
I don't want expensive cards, how about just 10 dollar cards at least that actually see modern play?
t. guy who pulled worldgorger and balance out of his 70$ EV EMA booster box

>>51956346
>uncommons contain ~$10 values
>wizaaaaaaards make my mythics shit desu

>>51956364
I don't want shit mythics or uncommons, how about just good all around value and not the fucking goyf or not lottery

>>51956346
So you want a bunch of valuable cards at all rarities so that no matter what you open, you're monetarily satisfied?

>>51956392
I want the boxes to range from 200-300 rather than 100-400

>>51956409
kys

>modern masters 2015 time
>last sealed event in my area
>lose horribly
>trade in entire shitty deck i had to the store for 1 pack of modern masters
>"hehe would be funny if i pulled a foil goyf hehe"
>open pack, go right to foil
>foil tarmogoyf


i will never open another pack of masters product again because theres nothing worth pulling to beat that

>>51956383
So then how are you not okay with this set? The mythics so far (barring snap) are all around that value point. Meanwhile the uncommon and rares are fucking great

>>51956383
Having value uncommons is all round value. You get uncommons in every pack, you don't get a mythic in every pack. They've put fetches are rare, how is this not just good all around value? Does every card need to be worth more than the pack itself?

>>51956475
>5 fetches and Damnation at rare

Seriously, this is nuts. In MM2015 the only $50+ rare was Hierarch and there are only three mythics from the set still above $50.

That's six $50+ rares on the first day alone (before inevitable price drops)

>>51956570
>>51956475
>>51956470
Holy fuck WOTCIDF out hard today

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>>51956632

>>51956632
>if someone is not crying about a set, they are IDF
Fucking kill yourself

>Limwala

>>51956748
I mean she is 40 bucks. hardly the worst thing to see a reprint.
Can't say I can think of a modern deck that plays her though.

>>51956978
Booooo you suck

>>51957032
:"(

>>51956688
It doesn't matter if every single card in this set is good, the fact that the supply is limited and the price is higher than a usual box means the whole point of this exercise of reprints doesn't accomplish in a meaningful way what it is supposed to do, increase access to the format.

A Core store gets about six cases, that's six boxes/case equals 36 boxes.

A given Mythic only shows up once approximately every 100 packs. That means that for a playset of Mythics, which is about four boxes of MM; you need to open 400 packs or 16 boxes to get yourself a playset.

So for a given Mythic, in a Core store's allotment, that means they're going to get about 9 of any given Mythic. That's TWO playsets.

Two playsets to be split between a community, a community of people consisting of older players and newer players. And each Mythic is not going to allow a player to create a deck.

Consider also that a Rare shows up twice as often as a Mythic. That means approximately only four people are going to get their playsets of whatever fetchland they need.

Good reprints in the set are not enough. They're not printing enough fucking volume. Unless for some reason people think it's unreasonable to want to own more than one deck. If players are limited to owning one deck I guess this product is just fine.

>>51957092
>supply is limited
Stopped reading here. It's not. Shut up

>>51957107
Gonna need a source man.

>>51957107

You know they're going to hold back half of the supply and release a second wave just like Eternal Masters.

>>51957145
My ass. Google it

All the mythics spoiled so far are more than 5 bucks
We have 3 high value Uncommons confirmed
I am gonna feel really bad for the poor bastard who pulls Stoic Angel... and judging by the fact Zur is also in the set... maybe its part of a cycle? A cycle of dumb 3 color cards that see no play in modern.

>>51957498
>All the mythics spoiled so far are more than 5 bucks

Now, they are. By the time the first booster gets cracked, they'll be half of that.

>>51957887
Baka desu senpai, people will be wanting to get into modern so they will be buying these cards :^)

Did we ever decide if Leyline of Sanctity is good sideboard tech vs Death's Shadow?

>>51957949
Opening a Bonfire of the Damned is going to do jackshit for them, then.

>>51957990
Its spicy sideboard tech in GR Tron

>>51957959
Leylines are always bad use of sideboard space

>>51958063
Leyline of the Void is still good
RIP is better in most decks, but decks that utilize their GY like CoCo and Grishoalbrand are gonna want Leyline

>>51958063

What white cards would be good against Death's Shadow then? I feel like packing more removal is moot when they run 8 discards

>>51958193
Runed Halo

Is G/B tron a meme, or legit?

Also, how is New-Emrakul as a finisher, and help against combo?

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>>51958308
>tron

>>51958308
New Emmy is pretty spicy if you play her with Ugin's Nexus

>>51958262
Abrupt decayed or taken out of hand

>>51957165
You say this like the boxes have spiked in price. They're still $200 and you're still too poor for one

>>51958379
It also doesn't stop the 5/6 Gouf that came down down turn 2.

>>51958193
Spirit Link
>gets decayed or inquisitioned
a bloo bloo, might as well just fucking say every card is bad against death's shadow and every other GBx deck. Clearly this deck is unbeatable and everyone should just stop playing modern because Death's Shadow is LITERALLY™ the BEST DECK EVER™

>>51958757
Your ass pain doesn't change the fact that the deck is the best deck in modern

>>51958793
>a deck that demands you put yourself within Bolt range to win is the best deck
Keep telling yourself that retard.

>>51958816
Fuck off back to your kitchen table meta. You've clearly never played with our against the deck

>>51958652
How about you read Runed Halo

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>>51958826
People where I live play regular Jund, because its actually a good deck and not a shit jank fart trash dumpster fire.

>>51958897
Tiers are usage based. Plus the results you've shown are good.
Jund is straight up inferior to death's shadow

>>51946903
>one of the newer, hot decks in modern (Death's Shadow) runs goyf as a 4-of

Yes and these people lose because they don't need another four beaters that do absolutely nothing, other than be big, when that's exactly what their whole deck is designed around playing for B. Grim Flayer is infinitely better because of trample plus pseudo scry in exchange for a slight loss in late game power. I only run 2 at the most and it's usually what I sideboard out.

>>51959063
Wow that's just wrong

>>51959063
Theres a reason Ghor Clan and Temur Battle Rage are in the deck.

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Hello /tg/ i'm trying to get into modern magic and i wanted to know if there's any sites where i can see a lits of budget decks

>>51959198
Google

>>51959206
T-thanks...

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>>51959198
Mtggoldfish dot com is great

There is also a really good infographic in one of the current threads with a list of modern decks and what suits what sort of playstyle

>>51942281
>>51959198
See that link

Does anyone have one of those excel sheets with the cards in MM3 on it in with collector numbers and what various reprints it does/doesn't rule out?

>>51959251
>>51959230
Thank you for helping

>>51959256
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XFq8oiGSxdwFzbEtkVJA8uWKQ7aknrAHdfOilKTDtDo/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

>>51959313
>still spaces for the cards I want
neat, thanks

Rhino Pod is the deck I want in my life

why did I start magic only after it got banned?

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I want to top 8 at states, pls help.

>>51960288
Play a better deck

>>51960330

This is all I have :(

>>51960288
What are the swords for?

>>51960650

Sticking on one of the 16 flyers to swing for lethal.

>>51960673
wouldn't the standard swords be preferable in that case?

>>51960786

What are "standard swords"? I'm not familiar with this term.

>>51960794
light and shadow and fire and ice

>>51960809

I really do want to try Fire and Ice, but i'm too broke buying all the other cards in this deck to shell out anything more.

An advantage of Hatebears is I often prevent my opponent from playing or slow them down enough to where they have a lot of cards in hand, thus allowing War and Peace the possibility of hitting like a brickhouse.

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>>51960288
Just by looking at it, seems like a solid monowhite taxes.
Here are a few concessions with limited experience so take with a grain of salt:

-How do you find 23 lands? How often are you flooded? With Restos it seems fine, if you have been having too lands though try out 22.

-I would go 1 Sword but I'm a shitlord.
If you want to be a swag lord u need 1 war and peace 1 light and shadow for dem extra layers

-Blade Splicer seems weak in a taxes deck since it doesn't tax. I think some number of them is alright since it's a great card but would try replacing one with newThalia

-Would run 1-2 less Spirit, really great card but he plays a supporting role for your other stars, and with 4 it seems likely that you'd have a grip full of sidekicks.

-The playset of Angels seems mana costly but I could be very wrong. Just seems bulky, but it could be core to the deck. Would maybe trim and go to 22 lands but thats my shit opinion.

Since my LGS is pretty fucking casual, I'm sleeving up Infect for one more week.

Just to get the last bit of joy from it before it really hits <1% meta

>>51960910

Thanks for the feedback, I never even considered cutting Blade Splicer, it's just such a common staple and good flicker target.

I'm not sure there would be enough good targets for Flickerwisp and Resto Angel without her.

>>51960992
Has infect really gotten that bad?

Is snake deck a meme?

Seems pretty good in testing

>>51961069
True with all that flicker it is much better, didn't consider valuetown

>>51961418
It felt really bad when I tried it