Warhammer Fantasy Battle Thread

>>51931854
First for Ulric, the Graf Todbringer and the Middenland

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>2017
>still not WFRP video game adaptation

>>51931892
First for Tilea, we'll look after your wives while your out.

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>there are people in this general promoting Age of Reckoning
>owned by EA
>already has microtransactions
does EA own the general now too?

>>51931936
Did you meant Total War Warahammer because EA discontinued Age of Reckoning for years.

>>51931936
Fucking retard. Return of Reckoning is a private server now and Age of Reckoning is discontinued for years. Kill yourself, as always elf reaction and shillers are the worst. To the fucking trash it fucking goes.

>>51931916
First for Estalia, Myrmidia's TRUE first sons.

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>>51931892
He's got a fair old lineage.

>>51932027
First for Bretonnia, servants of the only Lady you'll ever know you fucking peasants.

>>51932087
Myrmidia and Ulric were worshipped on your lands before you became cucks for the faggots from the woods, y'know.

First for the Lizardmen, because a nation ruled by Pepes who sit in their temples while their servants study their meme tablets is glorious

Does anyone here actually play on Return of Reckoning on is it just a corrupt meme server like Elysium?

>>51932126
And are either of them Ladies? No, they are not, Ulric's only grace is his hair keeps you warm as you fuck him in the ass while Myrmidia sucks Orc cocks for pleasure.

>>51932196
Go back, Norsca. Don't you have to fuck a leper while beheading him from behind?

First for Marienburg, we own your debt and we're calling in the markers

>>51932196
What a bretonnian inbred cuck. Orks do not have penises, you faggot but I guess your cuckold fetish got over you.

>>51932279
>Orks


Warhammer 40k thread is somewhere else friendo

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>mfw empire peasants don't pay their lords their 90% due in taxes
>mfw empire peasants don't even have knights sworn to protect them
>mfw empire peasants are at the mercy of avaricious merchants
>mfw empire peasants do not get produce distributed to them by kindly lords
>mfw empire nobles don't even have the right to primae noctis

>>51932309
You truly are inbred.

>>51932331
At least I know who my father was boy.


And my mother as well, but then what woman keeps track of the shit she crimps out on the roadside?

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First for Kislev, our spears protect the realms of men and I am tired of your shit.

>>51932364
Your father got cucked by wooden faggot :')

Can Blood Dragon vampire act like a normal knight and even ally with normal humans? If so, under what circumstances?

>>51932739
Yes

When they want to do so

>>51932087
>Worshiping a woman with A FUCKING CUP instead of a spear and shield

t. sheep shagging winos

>>51932831
Any ideas why though?

>>51932739
Direct Sunlight may prove troublesome.

>>51932739
Any vampire can ally with normal humans, and some do it quite often.

A Blood Dragon might ally with humans when facing a common foe, like Chaos shitters or that prick Nagash.

>>51932856
>You've never got wankered on GrailBrau and woke up 3 days later with a traffic cone and a sheep
Thats good fucking liquor.

>>51932895
Take a knightly reason, apply it to vampires.

Blood dragons are martial and seek honourable combat. He can be hunting something down or team up to watch the knights and see if any are worthy foes

>>51932897
Depends on the Vampire

>>51932946
One another anon suggested once was that the Blood Dragon is an ancestor of a party member. He appears periodically to test his distant relative's mettle, planning to help him to turn aside from the temptation of immortal undeath.

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>Sigmar can't save Fantasy
>Guilliman saves 40k

Dunno if this is the proper place for it but as a newcomer to Warhammer I'd love to hear what you guys have to say about my 8th ed 1500p Nurgle Army List.

Exalted Hero: BSB, MoN, Hideous Visage, Scaled Skin, Dawnstone, Dragonhelm and Sword of Striking.

Festus the Leechlord

2x5 Chaos Warhounds

16x Chaos Warriors: MoN, Musician, Standard Bearer (Banner of Swiftness) and Shields.

2x5 Forsaken: MoN.

2x Gorebeast Chariot: MoN.

5x Putrid Blightkings: Musician and Standard Bearer (Gleaming Pennant).

All in all it comes up to 1492 points.

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>>51933479
Forgot to mention that my BSB and Festus goes into the unit of Chaos Warriors.

>>51930210
Hm. In that case, it may be a bit of a bolstered ego, mixed with the corrupting influence of Dhar on her. How about this as a origin:

After being sent to assisst a militia blunt a Greenskin(subject to change) push from the Badlands, the battle quickly turns against the Empire. Partially out of desperation, she uses her powers to raise the dead, and helps turn the tide of battle. She is at first angry with her own weakness, but after having a word with the captain of a acompanying mercenary force, she grows angry with the College instead. Seeing as how she not only saved the forces there, but also destroyed the opposing armies, she feels justified in pursuit of such dark knowledge. Although the troops with her distrust her, they allow her to go, as a way to repay her for saving them.

However, the question I have now is how to get her to Lustria. Originally I just picked it as a good, out of the way, but uniquely themed place. Perhaps her ship gets blown off course horribly, or she knows of it due to prior research?

>>51930490
Is that true? If so, than yeah, the Vampire Coast would be the perfect hide out, especially if she could get talked into being Harkon's servant. Although his insanity might be a bit dangerous for her, he is a fresh source of corpses, as well as acsess to a supply of Lizardmen artifacts.

>>51933474
>be GW
>test wiping a setting out and replacing it with shit
>it goes poorly with existing players
>come up with some other bullshit for your better selling setting
>PROFIT

>Bretonnian peasants use sabres

Ok.

>>51933543
I'll let you bask in the dubious glory of the Zombie Pirates and their schizophrenic Vampire master

sgabetto.free.fr/Telechargements/War.CZombiePirates.pdf

>>51933474
If Elves in WHFB gave attention to Sigmar or Karl like how Eldar did to Roboute instead of infighting, Old World would be saved.

>this is the only thread on 4chan that actively mentions Return of Reckoning
>all discussion of it is actively repressed despite it being in the copypasta
really fires the neurons

>>51933654
Does it actually have the quest text in yet?

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>>51933607
It is rather stupid, they should be using maces or axes, like how the trebuchet crews use picks and hammers. You could just take the weapons already used by zombies or flagellants if you really needed. Though it also makes me wonder how Grail Pilgrims get away with their swords. Maybe because they're broken?

I'm guessing they're a stand in until the big update, however. Or maybe CA doesn't care about the lore, or wants to be creative with it to make it work for their vidya. Either way, you don't have to consider it canon.

I just hope they include worship of other deities. I think too many people think Bretonnia is monotheistic, when there's a large following of deities like Shallya and Taal, as well as Manaan in coastal cities.

>>51933816
bretonnian diplomacy quotes mention shallya.
Alberic the literallyWho is a worshipper of manaan.
Bretonnia is and will remain dogshit who don't have floppy hats and big guns.

>>51933640
What do you think of the total war timeline?
>Vald and Isabella revived just before the end times and get in a power struggle with manny
>Empire fragments due to constant infighting and civil wars war Franz tries to hold it together
>Wurrzag and Grimgore unite the Orks of the badlands in to an Ork empire
>Thorgrim unites the dwarf kingdoms with the help of the white dwarf
>Wood elves unite under one banner and start invading/wiping out neighbouring lands
>Beastmen in a fight to the death with the wood elf empire
>Brettonia unites under one banner and heads north to invade the empire and wipe out chaos
>Archaon prepares to invade the south while Tzeentch and his minions plan to betray him and fuck up the end times

>>51933816
CA is already going off the rails lore wise, what are a few swords to them?

>>51933654
>all discussion of it is actively repressed

How so?

>>51933845
B-but muh medieval asthetic

I admit the worship of Taal isn't really mentioned much - which is weird, since they have such a connection with their land and they already tend to live without gunpowder anyway. They also have La Masiontaal Abbey, and there's some very old fluff about priests of Taal that also acted as wizards.

>>51933474
DESU, Sigmar could have saved fantasy if it hadn't been for author fiat. Seriously, Mannfred was just a diabolus ex-machina.

>>51933939
I accept every scenario where Archaon and Mannfred loses.

>>51933939
In TW Karl Franz has just been elected. So it's 2502. Given that, he should be ~30 years old, most of the Elector Counts are wrong, Archaon shouldn't have been crowned Everchosen yet, Boris Todbringer should have both eyes and god knows what else.

The timeline is all over the place.

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>>51934797
>Vlad starts with a stronger army
>gets a bonus for taking over Manlet's capitol
All the memes are coming true.

>>51934850
The time line has changed.
By the time of Franz becoming emperor Boris has already lost his eye, Archaon has been crowned.

>>51933939
Don't forget Skarnsik being driven somehow back into the Gray Mountains while Belegar retreated back into the Black Mountains. Probably through the Underway in both cases though.

Seems alright, although an explanation of Vlad and Isabella that isn't Nagash wpuld be nice.

Side note, I kinda want Konrad just to finish the set.

>Bretonnia went from underdog faction untouched since 2004 to most complete and interesting TWW faction group

Praise be

>>51934850
Its a floating timeline.

Fuck, most dates in the Dwarf reckoning changed between 6e, 7e, and 8e.

Karl Franz was a shit ruler of a crumbling Empire while Brets were the best of humanity in 4e, and in 3e Magnus was a letch who ruined the Empire and Chaos was made up of equal parts Order and Destruction.

TWW is basically the official 9e, so some changes are acceptable.

>>51934952
Mannfred was always written as losing and bitter lesser family member, he was behind Vlad and Konrad.

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>>51933479
If it helps I'm going to be playing 2v2 but don't know what armies or their composites will be like.

Also, it's my second Warhammer Fantasy Battle.

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>>51935065
>CA gave them more love then GW ever did

>>51934850
It's an alternative timeline

The game starts in 2502, then the first 50 turns are suposed to cover 20 years until Archaon's invasion happens, which is a mix of storm of chaos and the End times

>>51935083
7e portrayed him as having the might of Konrad and cunning of Vlad, with spellcasting superior to both. In 6e he was just another loyal Von Carstein.

8e man him a Mannletchild.

>>51935118
The only faction GW fellated in the last 10 years was Chaos. And they are pleasantly underappreciated in TWWH

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>>51935083
I just think it's funny that his characterization as a loser is so strong he's being upstaged IN HIS OWN GAME.

>>51935147
I kind of want Daemons just to have Chaos extensively fighting itself.

>>51934797
>Archaon defeats anyone and anything he meets.
>Army after army get defeated by him.
>everything is so ridiculous easy, it's actually boring
>looses his will to proceed and just gives up and travels to the southpole where he never comes back.

>>51935147
Chaos Warriors are the least interesting faction in the whole of Warhammer Fantasy.

>>51935147
The attacks from the north are insane though. I don't even get a chance to fully beat one off before another's on its way.

>>51935169
He's scary if you let him gather power and seriously make headway, but if the NPC factions are reasonably united against him, or you take the fight to him yourself and beat him back, he's fairly easy. It's a matter of slow attrition.

Wood Elves are hard as fuck, thanks to all their cavalry and missile cavalry.

>>51935444
Only if you don't give a shit about them.

>>51934952
>>51935079
>>51935130
Basically there's no point in talking about the 'Total War Timeline' because it's not internally consistent. In 2502 Thyrus Gormann was Supreme Patriarch, Ludmilla von Alptraum was Elector Countess of Averland, Graf Berthold Todbringer is Elector of Middenland, Khazrak is not yet the 'One-Eye' and so on.

The best way for it to make sense is to ignore the whole 'newly coronated' thing.

>>51933766
quest text is in, leveling experience seems intact. no idea about content past that.

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>>51935386
how about
>gets stabbed in the back by a squire with the broken off tip of a blessed lance
>it lodges between his shoulderblades and his spine
>he can't get it out
>noone can pull it out
>he goes insane and retreats to the northern wastes
>his armies tear themselves apart
>the pain eventually turns him into a huge chaos spawn prowling the chaoswastes and destroying anything in his way, endlessly clawing at his back
>can't go back south because the massive amount of chaos energy in the north reduces the pain somewhat

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Anyone here use a grail reliquae?

I'd usually avoid Bretonnia but then I read about the grail knights and their followers and I became fascinated.

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>>51935562
Man, you are so assblasted about this guy, it is actually hilarous.

>>51935562
GRIMGOR IZ DA BEST

>>51935604
>assblasted
where are you getting that impression from brah? I just think it would be an ironical fate without killing him.

>>51935562
Better yet:
>During his fight with Valten, the Skaven doubl cross chaos, and the Verminlord kill Archaeon instead of Valten.

>>51935386
But anon, Archaon feels no happiness. He is rage and justified vengeance incarnate. He can only live on the edge, fighting against the corruption and lies of the promises of order and peace. The biggest lie being life, happiness, and purpose.

Or whatever nihilistic faggotry GW is using to describe him now.
>>51935485
So there's 11/12 options where they don't matter.
>>51935497
see >>51935079

Dates change often between editions. If TWW is 9th Age, then they can rearrange events as they please. There is no absolute timeline going back to 3e, the only edition with few major changes was 7e to 8e because both were the "reset from Storm" editions.

>>51935629
>Skaven kill ANOTHER main character

nah, nah

>>51935666
Was Valten that main?

>>51935604
Archaon was originally supposed to kill himself after sealing the fate of the world but before its destruction because he realized nothing ever mattered according to his creator.

>>51935629
Better better yet:

>during the climactic fight, the skaven wait until BOTH are weak, kill them both, and leg it

>>51935719
Skaven kill both, the nameless assassin is killed by Grimgor?

>>51935739
Yeah.

>>51935562
I can dig it, though I would suggest
>Goes crazy trying to get lance out
>Wanders his way back north
>Tears off his armour to get at it
>Eventually has scattered all his Everchosen equipment
Gives a good lead in to whatever other Everchosen that could crop up. You can have Archeon become big blobby blob or maybe someone who get sought out for his wisdom.

>>51935771
>sought out for his wisdom
>"mighty everchos-"
>"AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH AAAAAAAHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH"

>>51935079
>Karl Franz was a shit ruler of a crumbling Empire

It's kind of amazing that this was once the case given what a paragon of virtue he is right now.

>>51935812
>AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAthe castle is weakest from the south
>"wait wha-"
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

>>51935562
>by a squire

By a grail knight, while his attention is focused on Valten, who is holding his own.

This ends up being highly controversial to the chivalry of Bretonnia that showed up to help, since he backstabbed a foe who was fighting a duel with someone else. Less charitable Sigmarites maintain it was unnecessary and politically motivated.

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>>51935704
Had his final epiphany, it seems

>>51935083
>he was behind Vlad and Konrad.
Can't remember Konrad being relevant.
Wasn't he just a lunatic?

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>>51935840
I had that emotional scene in my head where a dying Grail Knight pushes his broken lance into the hands of his squire and the Ladies blessing is transferred to him in his last breath

but whatever, I guess the Knight controversy works too.

>>51935562
I'd rather something like where he gets hit with Ghal Maraz in the chest, and a burn from the blessed magic weapon forms the shape of a hammer or twin-tailed comet on his chest - a painful wound, and a damning reminder of who he once was.

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>>51935835
kek

>>51935655
>But anon, Archaon feels no happiness. He is rage and justified vengeance incarnate. He can only live on the edge, fighting against the corruption and lies of the promises of order and peace. The biggest lie being life, happiness, and purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6k

>>51935900
Ghal Maraz on the front, lance in the back?

>>51935893
Squire works too.
On one hand, a grail knight didn't technically do the deed, so he wasn't un-chivalrous.
But, the Squire did save the world, which is chivalrous, so the knight should get kudos as his master.

>>51935878
Not just a lunatic, a powerful lunatic.

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>>51935972
>>51935900
Ghal Maraz creates a crack in his cuirass, which the Lance is shoved in to

>he smaug now

>>51935655
>Dates change often between editions. If TWW is 9th Age, then they can rearrange events as they please. There is no absolute timeline going back to 3e, the only edition with few major changes was 7e to 8e because both were the "reset from Storm" editions.
Right. Every edition changes a few things but mostly the core events remain the same.
Pushing everything back 20 years is a huge deal, especially for the human characters. There's a cascade effect because when something changes it affects everything related to it all the way down the timeline.

Now, this isn't a big deal with regards to the game itself, because everything is rather abstracted. But if you wanted to, for instance, play a wfrp campaign set in the TW 'setting', you'd have to throw out a lot of the background.

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I know AoS is verboten, but has anyone statted up the Disciples of Tzeentch for 9th Age?

Also, so in this setting does End Times not happen or is it a static sort of Happening?

>>51936023
Makes sense! Wonder what happens to that squire? Probably goes off errantin' to prove that he's chivalrous.
Now does he swear off using lances until he proves himself worthy? Or use ONLY lances?

>>51936187
Generally ET isn't talked about, because it's considered so different from the Warhammer setting most of the diehards want. It's loosely acknowledged to exist, but many people say 'I would rather this than that' anyway. I imagine it's how some people might be trying to ignore what's currently happening in 40k.

All I know about 9th Age is that they're doing different deities instead of the Chaos gods, so they might have it there, but in a renamed form.

>>51936196
He is showered with honours by the Empire, rich as a duke and returns to Bretonnia to be knighted by the King?

Known as "Sir Dylan of the Holy Lance", Carries the broken shaft of his masters lance on his quests?

>>51936255
Huh, interesting

>>51936255
>it's how some people might be trying to ignore what's currently happening in 40k.
don't want to derail the thread, but what's currently happening in 40k?

>>51936513
Imperium confirmed to have 'order' chaos daemons on their side.

Black templars and sisters working with xenos and psykers.

All Eldar combined in to one "Host of the Phoenix King" type army.

Primarchs coming back with models and rules.

>>51935834
The Imperium is nobledarking up too, and AoS is a much more "hopeful" setting than Fantasy.

GW makes the main characters whoever sells the best. They reduce grim and amp up valor/edgefor those factions depending on it evil or not. When the Empire started outselling Brets, their leaders started having light shining out their asses.

>>51936561
age of emperor skub is real

>>51936407
>Implying it was a Bretonian squire

>>51936561
Huh. If I was more invested in GW games these days I'd be profoundly saddened by the quality of writing.
At least Blood Angels aren't riding bats into battle yet. Yet.

>>51936407
>Carries the broken shaft of his masters lance on his quests?
hue.

>>51935865
Literally that, yes.

But GW rewrote it so he wants to become omnipotent and "fix" reality instead as the endgame to the same realization. More like Unsounded.

>>51936607
What made them change their minds?

>>51935878
Konrad was powerful enough to mount an attack on the Empire and scare away Mannfred, causing Mannfred to ally with Nagash.

Konrad could have taken over but he forgot to treat his soldiers as his owm beloved sons and nobody was loyal outside of fear. After his Nevromancers abandoned him his brain overloaded trying to control millions of corpses and Gotrek+Felix killed him.

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>>51936602
it is the holy lance

>>51936585
Perhaps grimdark doesn't sell like it used to, they're making the heroes of the settings softer and more unambiguously right.

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>>51936670
It's absolutely disgusting. Warhammer appealed to me as a "grim world of perilous adventure", not this shit.

>>51936032
Not really. WFRP 1e borrows mostly from 4e, when the Empire was the bottom of the Old World's boot.

2e RP is closer to 5e turned 6e. 3e RP is just kind of 2e with worse rules.

To play WFRP in 8e canon is already a stretch.

>>51936663
>tfw the lady of the lake will never bless your lance

>>51936783
sign of the times I guess. It kind of says volumes that in the times we live in everybody seems to be afraid of domestic terrorism, but superheroes made the jump to the big screen and are dominating everything else.

Is that getting too political?
I just feel that a lot of the stuff written in the 80s embraced the grey areas a lot more, even though everything these days has to be dark and gritty by default.

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>>51936595
Every Order of Knights claims the Squire was one of their own.

The tale is told and retold in a hundred lands in a hundred tounges, and soon there's as much fabrication in it as truth.

In the end it does not matter who the Squire was, or if he even existed at all, he personifies an ideal of bravery and determination, a symbol of hope for humanity in it's darkest of days.

>inb4 he becomes a spirit like the green knight
>an mystical squire who guides lost knights through a treacherous swamp, nurses wounded knights back to health or warns them of dangers ahead, is generally considered a guardian saint to all knights

>>51936630
Probably selling just Archaon models. Or wanting a designated bad guy who can be seen as sympathetic but also pull on any other bad guy's army.

>>51936670
They changed the Empire to noble back before Kirby, and when Vampires and Tomb Kings were one army and Beasts/Warriors/Daemons were likewise.

Its just how the company as a whole directed it. Best seller must be good or edgetastic. When Bretonnia was no longer the MC faction, they lose the shining holiness who follow a mysterious fey and became oppressors of peasants and general retards following an Elf. Same story, different narrative.

>>51936890
And now the Imperium of man is allying with Eldar and working with daemons.
>Diversity, not even once

>>51936929
To be fair, Sigmar had Daemons in early Warhammer. Daemons could be any alignment.

>>51933474

To have the Fantasy setting end happily would have been a total cop out.

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>>51936840
It's hard to say? Maybe people want something more escapist, rather than something that seems to far too truthfully speak to what might be.

But then you look at superheroes, and they're trying to make them grittier. So maybe it's more an awkward equilibrium thing - maybe 40k and Fantasy went too far into the darkness, and GW realized at that point no one really cared who won or lost when there was no chance for one side to win or the other side to lose.

>>51937039
War is eternal in Warhammer.

But unlike 40k, Fantasy had things that were not war.

>>51937072
Except Chaos won in AoS too.

Its canon via prophesy that Archaon kills Sigmar and takes up Ghal Maraz in the future and that there's an effort to discover his true name which gives the controller a mastery of Archaon, and through him all of Chaos. It could mean Archaon becomes good. It could mean Archaon and Sigmar both die, Chaos Gods always win. It could mean nothing and GW drops it.

But we know at least for now that Sigmar loses Age of Sigmar.

>>51937118
Poor Diederick has no pauses

>>51937079
>But unlike 40k, Fantasy had things that were not war.

Like bestiality jokes

>A beastman is created when a man makes love to an animal. This is why there are so many beastmen in Ostland.

>>51933479

Yeah I think it's a pretty good list and should be a good game. There are a few things I would change though.

I know 1500 points doesn't leave you a great deal of breathing room with WoC but I would definitely try and squeeze some more warriors in and split the characters into two units. WoC are so powerful even 18 can deal with most things. 16 with two characters may be overkill.

To get the spare points for more warriors I would drop the 10 forsaken. Unfortunately they're not great units. Too random IMHO and very expensive in terms of points. I would also maybe drop a chariot and I think gorebeasts are also a bit too expensive, I think standard chariots are better for their cost.

It will probably fair well anyway but there's my advice.

>>51937189
40k had stories about Imperial Guard shitting and daring each other to eat it.

But 40k didn't have Gotrek & Felix, and their Genevieve equivalent was canceled.

>>51937072
There never was a chance of wining, just to keep living another day. That was the point.

>>51937340
Living another day was winning. It is in real life too.

That's what GW forgot.

>>51933939

I don't really consider it a 'timeline'. It's a video game, each faction needs to be given a reason to conqueror the world to make it fun for the players, the game mechanics drive the plot, which is fine because they should be as concerned with making a good game as following the lore.

There are only really two 'time lines'. The End Times and the Storm of Chaos.

So really I think CA's interpretation is fine, they've given a good enough reason for a battle royal in which Karl Franz roflstomps every last mother fucker that gets in the Empire's way.

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Lore question: Are even the goblin bosses cowards?

>>51937118
Everyone knows Archoan's true name except for the new arrivals. Sigmar, Nagash, the Aelf deities, Be'lakor etc. What the Gaunt Summoner actually said, learn reading comprehension please, if Archaon is blessed with daemonhood, then his true name can be used to control him. But there are two problem as the daemon oracle pointed out to the Gaunt Summoner.

One, Archaon is a demigod not a daemon prince. He has no interest in becoming a daemon prince.

Two, to know the true name of Archaon is to know death. Archaon will stop at nothing to erase the memory of Diederick Kasnter.

tl;dr Archaon's true name doesn't grant mastery over Archaon in his current mortal state.

>>51937396
It's rough to have to fight to unite your own province every fucking time, let alone do anything else (and of course half the time the Wood Elves grab something, and I am far too scared to piss them off), but otherwise I totally agree with this.

Starting with a huge Empire and having to steal with a ton of strife from the get-go would be hard on experienced players, let alone new ones. They have to consider what makes for a fun game, not just what goes best with the lore. So what if it would be better if Bretonnia actually had all twelve dukedoms? They've rolled most of them together because otherwise they would be smaller than Imperial provinces. And who cares if there's a dwarven hold that barely exists in the lore being shoved into prominence? You need some dwarves in that part of the mountains.

>>51935118
This image will always make me feel, even a little.

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>>51937478
That reminds me - gotta post the correct grammar one.

>>51935118
Sobs became obese bbw posh brit gw wymyn

>>51937443
yes?

>>51935972

Hammered from the front and poked in the back, had her locked up like a Chinese finger trap.

>>51937508
mon Dieu! I never noticed!!

>>51936187
I can't speak for everyone but I think most people ignore the ET completely and just take the Storm of Chaos as the current setting. There was a world after the storm of chaos, if your read Sigmar's Heirs it describes the state of Ostland in 2522.

>>51937448
Ah, but Archaon wants to ascend. When he does the name is power itself.

Only Sigmar knows. The rest didn't know the story.

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What do?

>>51936561
15 years ago I would probably had been thrilled about this. Now I just kinda wish that they would stop trying so hard to impress.

>>51937918

What Dwarf classes are there?

>>51937912
>, but Archaon wants to ascend.

He doesn't. His lore says that he is not interested in daemonhood like at all.

>>51937689
I ignore both.

I don't play WoC and don't like Grimgor, so I don't want an apocalypse event.

>>51937918
Squig Herder!

>>51937948
Ascend to true godhood, not Daemonhood.

He wants to be what he was told Sigmar was, pottery style. All-powerful and omnipresent.

He wants to own reality, no Chaos Gods.

>>51937950

SoC wasn't really apocalyptic though. Archaon got his shit pushed in at Middenheim. He didn't even get to Altdorf.

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>>51937946
Ironbreaker, Runepriest, Engineer, and Slayer

>>51937974
Archaon's goal in SoC was to corrupt the flame of Ulric in Middenheim and to kill Sigmar's god.

>>51938026

Oh I see. So there was method in the madness. Still, it wasn't anywhere near as silly as ET where cities are collapsing left and right and all of a sudden characters that have survived for centuries start dropping like flies.

In the post-SoC material it sets up some interesting questions, Ulricians are butthurt over being saved by a Sigmarite force at the Siege of Middenheim. Karl Franz has been embarrassed by having to pass over GM. Archaon's fate is undecided. Chaos warriors are retreating but still plague the countryside and Ostland has been devastated.

>>51937975
I'd either be a slayer or a Dark Elf. I want to get into this at some point since I missed the original release.

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>>51937252
Thanks, will definitely consider your advice.

Are Forsaken that bad though? In my previous (and only) battle they did good, shrecking a Terrorgheist in two rounds. Granted that was with the assistance of a gorebeast chariot who didn't manage much in that fight besides soaking up the first round's dmg from the enemy's beast.
My idea is to use my Forsaken to shred anything that otherwise would act as speedbumps for my more important units and then use them as flank-chargers. If they don't make it to the second part of the plan then they would ideally have served the purpose of deflecting threats/and soaking dmg for the bulk of my army.
Their randomness is what really appeals to me as they have the capacity for quite the amount of shitkicking which hopefully will distract the opponent by making them pay too much attention to them.

Regarding the Chaos Warriors and having two characters in them, is that something that could come of as cheesy to people? I'm more interested in having a good time than winning and if that's something someone might consider in bad taste I'd rather reshape my army list.

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>>51938126
the only faction with canon half naked women

>>51938083
By the End Times Archaon had been reduced to "fuck you, dad!" the character. So I have very little interest in him post SoC.

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Here's my Master Engineer/ Grim Burloksson finished.

Next up is a Lord/Belegar Ironhammer!

>>51938269
Looks sweet!

>>51938237

> Implying the ET occurs after SoC.

> Implying the ET happens at all.

SoC is the End Times we deserved.

>>51938269

Looking good, really clean metals.

>>51938316
Hear, hear!

>>51938180
Nah they're not terrible but I find them too unpredictable. That's down to personal taste though, they just never fucking get the right gift when I play. They are quite speedy though.

I don't know about OP but they're going to be wasting lots of attacks since they'll steamroll pretty much anything.

>>51938187
Dark Elves are honestly my favorite evil faction, over Chaos. They feel more organized, even if the backstabbery and evil feels pushed.

>>51938316
It doesn't matter that much to me. GW didn't really follow up SoC in any meaningful way.

>>51938290
Thanks! Its a terrible picture but my phone certainly doesn't help.

I was thinking of painting Belegar in relatively neutral tones like in the army book so that I can use him as a Lord on Oathstone. What do you think?

>>51938415
Yeah their speed is nice for an infantry unit and unpredictability is just the way I want my Chaos! Probably only fair to give them this chance to shine and then reevalutate my decision after the match.

>>51938602
I feel you. Whenever I try to take a picture of a mini the result is just a mess.

Sounds like a good idea! Can't give much more input than that I'm afraid.

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>When you realize how to summon the Elector Counts

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I may be an idiot, but I think I figured out why Vlad looks so messed up compared to other vampires: he's been dead.

Not just temporarily, like with his magic ring, but for a long-ass time since his original, final death. Even if his body was reformed when he came back to life, it's going to show the wear of death in a way other vampires won't.

>>51939538

Either that or he's just starting to look more like a bat.

Cutting off the nose was a Byzantine thing when they overthrew an Emperor, GW might have been inspired by this. To have no noes or eyes was seen as a sign you were forsaken.

>>51939538
He likes to have his war face on.

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>>51939538

Manlet von Fuckboy probably stole it.

>>51937079
>But unlike 40k, Fantasy had things that were not war.
Don't buy into the super-grimdark rulebook memeing. 40K has things that aren't war, they just don't get much attention outside of pre-2010s Black Library.

>>51939814

ITT we come up with Mannlet's theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ZVWMPuZ2c

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>>51939538
That makes sense only if you consider the original OOP models from 5e as canon.

Which I do.

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>>51940203

Is it worth playing this if I just download rules and play with stand ins?

>>51940272
Which game, which edition?

In general for WFRP go 2e, 3e was shit.
Blood Bowl is unchanged, you can go new or old.
For Warhammer Fantasy Battles, 6e or the fan update T9A are the best.

But yeah. You can play with standins, all you need is the correct base sizes.

>>51940272
use nothing but d6 and pretend you're in the 1980s

>>51940304

Yeah, Fantasy Battles. That's the wargame, right?

>>51936670

It's more like there are only two things you can do if you intend to keep riding the everything is shit and is only getting worse mentality. You can either keep things in stasis which gradually results in nothing interesting happening because you can't do anything to change the status quo or shake things up and to make new models (The entire point of your business) you have to pull things out of your ass. The second thing you can do is the End Times where the everything is shit and only getting worse mentality takes it ultimate course with everything collapsing in upon itself.

Of course the Imperium is a big place surrounded without and within by enemies with no real allies to speak of and Guilliman is only a single person. It's unlikely a true 180 will happen because the Imperium is a shithole 10,000 years in the making.

It's somewhat refreshing since Fantasy alone has convinced me that only the worst sort of people cling to stasis and act like it's a good thing.

>>51936561

A lot of this is so wrong it isn't even funny, but that is par for the course with these threads.

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>>51940305
Or just pretend you're in the 1980's in general.

>>51940443

Having 2 options is just some arbitrary fucking rule you've just come up with though?

What about doing something interesting with the setting, have the Empire be overran and have Altdorf be the new Mordheim with remnants and chaos fighting while Averheim is the new capital? There were loads of interesting possibilities.

Not

A) Everyone is kill
B) Nothing happens now guys, the game is finished it's 2522 forever.

Pressing the reset button was corporate bullshit to axe half the range and get out of having to roll their sleeves up and try and fix the issues in Fantasy 8th edition.

>>51939692
But he has his eyes - I'm thinking it just gives him a more deathly look, like his face is a skull.

And if you think about it, it's kind of awesome. He's the only vampire ever in the whole setting to know the taste of death, and come back from it time and time again.

>>51940513

Any possibilities go out the window when you have a single planet of indeterminate size to work with and are dead set on writing the biggest bad as the one who will finally smash apart everything that stands in his path, bar maybe pulling a last great alliance of men, elves, and dwarfs out of your ass.

I just have a really hard time seeing the Empire survive or the pockets of it that remain managing to mount an effective resistance what has been foretold as a world ending force. Not to mention doing so kind of means making yourself look like a moron when the supposed world ending force doesn't turn out to be world ending.

At least in 40k GW has an entire galaxy to give them breathing room and someone or a few people had the bright idea to give every race or almost every race an end game and also cast the future where Abaddon wins as not set in stone, just incredibly likely.

Perhaps it's not a surprise because Archaon is just a badly written character, a man who does bad shit because a book tells him to like he has no free will. I don't even think they did a convincing job of ever trying to sell it like he had no other choice. A book literally tells him he is a bad guy, people around him decide he is a bad guy, and Archaon just accepts that he has to be the bad guy.

You could argue that it says a lot when the nihilist interpretation from two BL books ends up sounding vastly better than the official interpretation.

Modelwise they did a lot less than "axe half the range", unless special characters suddenly count as ranges. They got rid of TK and Bretonnia and that is pretty much it except for a handful of additional units that were over the hill and an embarrassment to still be charging money for. As for rules I'm not sure if the Fantasy system as it stood was fixable and any fixes that happened would likely have been met with vehement screeching all the same.

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>>51940203
It wasn't just the model.

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>>51940823

This is one common misconception and a reason I honestly think Fantasy games are less popular than sci-fi. People can't see to get into the medieval or early modern mind set. The Warhammer World was enormous. Just as big as the galaxy is for 40K due to technological restrictions. Most people haven't even been to the next village never mind the next state. Lustria may as well be the moon for most. So the idea that a great army could run out of steam is fairly easy to imagine. As soon as they run out of victories, ie. looting, they have no supplies. Every village and town is a microcosm in the medieval mind. It's own traditions and garrison.

I don't really get this massive hook that your hanging your argument on though, everything GW has made is degenerating, that's the theme. By stopping Archaon like in Storm of Chaos it doesn't mean everything changes, only that he wasn't the one. The Empire could last another 1000 years before it fell, growing and shrinking. I mean all this stuff applies to the Imperium anyway, it's always the time of ending, they're always surrounded and 2 minutes from midnight, doesn't mean it's guaranteed or can't have some twists in the tail.

> Archaon is badly written if you don't read the two novels.

Well duh, BL is a canon novel and Fantasy was a wargame. They don't have 400 pages to flesh out one character. Are you that guy who's extremely butthurt over Archaon?

Besides, if End Times had failed he could have been replaced with the 7th everchosen. In AoS he's even worse, because he's the main baddy forever.

>>51941168

>The Warhammer World was enormous.

It's the size of our planet or possibly a bit bigger, it doesn't seem to be something GW ever nailed down because I guess it didn't matter after a while.

>Just as big as the galaxy is for 40K due to technological restrictions.

This may be true for the average person, but for an army I think not. I can't recall off the top of my head whenever a Fantasy army ran into logistics issues. Only Tamurkhan comes to mind and one could argue he was a special case since instead of going directly south he went west, southwest into the Mountains of Mourn, west/southwest through the Darklands into the Border Princes, and finally north into Nuln. Even things such as looters and warbands splintering off didn't seem to be an insurmountable problem.

This was also relatively conventional, it would have easily been as possible for the writers to wave their hand and say the Winds of Magic waxed strong or something like that and thus miles were able to be crossed in hours or even minutes.

>By stopping Archaon like in Storm of Chaos it doesn't mean everything changes, only that he wasn't the one.

The problem with this however is that he was built up to be the one. Now by all means GW could retconned and just had him be another Everchosen, I personally wouldn't have given a damn and I'm not sure many people would. However this pussyfooting they did in Storm of Chaos where he is an unstoppable force of nature and yet at the same time isn't just reeks of bad writing to try and cover up the fact that GW didn't think their plan through so good. Maybe instead of doing a world ending event for their first go around they should have instead did a few test runs to work out the kinks.

>>51941168

All having a time of ending being a constant theme means is that you eventually run out of room to go forward if you intend to stay on that path, meaning you're either stuck in stasis or you go back and look at the past, which I'm not entirely sure was really an option for Fantasy given the entire one planet thing and all. Even now in 40k you have people saying that some the current stuff is looking wonky with all these events happening in the last few years. The only caveat is that 40k has a couple more thousand years of history and an entire galaxy to work with compared to Fantasy if they view stasis going forward as an option. Even more importantly they've shown with the Horus Heresy that they can drag out a seven year long war for over a decade and make a pretty penny off of it, so that makes exploring other past events in 40k's history more tempting.

Another problem with Fantasy is that GW shot themselves in the foot and as a result made adding new armies seemingly a non-starter. Doesn't look too good either when you add a new army and allow existing ones to languish with old models. Cathay alone could have been ripe to do stuff with, but it would have taken resources, effort, and required tampering with the narrative they had set in stone.

Archaon being a poorly written character becomes inexcusable when he is your big bad and starts taking center stage rather than sitting in cold north with a thumb up his ass. I imagine GW realized this too and that is why with Abaddon in 40k they brought in ADB to try and make him a character with motivations you can at least understand and possibly sympathize with.

Archaon was a mistake in AoS, especially because he'll be around for who knows how long. The only thing I can figure is that GW needed someone to unite Chaos and decided to use him rather than scrap him. Even still it seems like they've caught on that people don't give a damn about him and would rather see god aligned armies and characters.

>>51941831

Again though I don't really buy into this. The time of ending comes more from GW's background in medieval history. They always thought their heathen ways were bringing about the day of reckoning. It's more a mind-set, tied to the gothic aesthetic, than an actual engine that drives the story.

What is so unimaginable about Karl Franz dying and having a new emperor, having a new everchosen or a faction establishing new settlements or loosing provinces that can be won back?

The progression needs to be measured though, people are shitting the bed over 40K because they can see that the finance department is driving it. Dark Eldar mustn't be selling so well... fuck it just put them into one faction.

But even if you did decide to say 'this is a setting not a narrative', Fantasy has lots of room for historic's. The time of three Emperors, Magnus the Pious, War of the Beard and lets be honest... they could just make new shit up. Fantasy has no more limitations than 40K.

GW could easily add more armies, many were removed like Chaos Dwarfs, Hobgoblins, Amazons etc. Cathay, Nippon were never going to be added because the game was focused on the Old World, but there were many armies they could have brought back or introduced.

Really... You're trying to compare Archaon to Abaddon... the armless wonder who has genuinely become a laughing stock and meme material to 40K fans the world over.

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree since this is all academic now. AoS is the future weather we like it or not but it will always be the best figurative example of 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' to me.

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>>51941831
>Even still it seems like they've caught on that people don't give a damn about him and would rather see god aligned armies and characters.

?

People demand more of Archaon not less. He is the Chaos star of each book that focus on Chaos vs Order.

>>51942066
> the armless wonder who has genuinely become a laughing stock and meme material to 40K fans the world over.

Because fans spread a false meme about the crusades being all targeted at Cadia/Terra. Fans are retarded and apparently you share their retardation,

>>51942066
Man, I wish they had just gone to undeveloped areas. I'd have killed for an Araby army or Khuresh or whatever. Each of those places has the potential to be as complex and interesting as the Old World.

The problem from a business perspective, however, is that GW has limited shelf space. I'm sure the GW studio guys would love to make crazy new shit all the time, but they don't have anywhere to put it. And their whole business model was always based around their stores.

That's why they dropped their specialist games and it's probably also why AoS happened. They want to cut the chaff so they have space for new material.

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>>51942752
What are you talking about? Talisman has an Araby expansion that was just released.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/19/talisman-update/

>>51940431
Yeah.

6e is the best balanced, best lore edition. But it lacks the models added afterwards.

The 9th Age is the fan continuation. Balanced, with name changes for copyright reasons but its not too hard to figure out what is what.

>>51942752

Yeah they made a decision early on to basically fully flesh out the 'Atlantic' races. I like Nippon and Cathay as much as anyone but they had to make a decision and at least they gave them the nod every now and then. To do otherwise would have meant making each continent homogeneous.

I'm sure if 8th had been more popular FW might have done a kind of one off Nippon Corsairs list or something made up from adventurers from far off land, but they were always just window dressing really.

>>51931854
Just read the reiksgaurd book. I was very satisfied with it over all, it gave a great credible threat with an interesting spin on the the gorobi, while giving a fantastic look into the way the empire works. my favorite part is the overall optimistic tint it left on the world. it was a grim, bloody and hard won optimism, but none the less! a worth while read indeed!

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>>51942966
there're alternatives

>>51943083

Yeah I have a real hard-on for this KS. The style even match's GW's.

I'll probably buy Warlords Feudal Japan guys though to make up my spearmen. Since they'll be much cheaper.

>>51942066

>What is so unimaginable about Karl Franz dying and having a new emperor, having a new everchosen or a faction establishing new settlements or loosing provinces that can be won back?

Other than them hyping up Archaon which could be taken care of with a retcon, nothing. However GW thought something was wrong and after Storm of Chaos didn't turn out as planned they clenched their ass up.

>The progression needs to be measured though, people are shitting the bed over 40K because they can see that the finance department is driving it. Dark Eldar mustn't be selling so well... fuck it just put them into one faction.

The people who look at the Gathering Storm and see the future are morons. The Dark Eldar aren't going anywhere since the new Ynnari faction they're apart of (And not entirely, Haemonculii and such are missing) is quite small at the moment and doesn't look like it's going to eclipse any of the other Eldar factions. The only thing such people are right about is that it may drive sales.

>Cathay, Nippon were never going to be added because the game was focused on the Old World

And this is a problem because it's basically saying that a quarter to half the world may not as well exist. If High Elves, Dark Elves, Ogres, and Lizardmen can be a part of Fantasy, then places like Araby or Cathay could be as well.

>>51942752

Times have change so some of those excuses don't really hold water any more. They're shitting out multiple board games now, even if the ones by GW lean more towards being stepping stones, and both 40k and AoS are expanding the number of armies.

I wouldn't be surprised if their shelf policy has basically changed to just having the essentials in stock, pretty much everything resin and quite a few plastic kits you can only get through the webstore, which of course the GW shops just so happen to have a terminal for and offer free shipping.

>>51943316

These arguments do still matter though.

GW likes board games so much because they're back in vogue and they're fire and forget. You release it and that's it. If it's popular you make some small expansions, if not you drop it. They're cheap and small to make and sell for a large premium. Blood Bowl was three frames in total, 2 sets of duplicate frames for each team and a one with the ruler on.

AoS is nowhere near growing, adding gold musclemen doesn't count as an expansion when you've gotten rid of two full factions, half the Elven core, half the Empire core, half the Dwarf special etc. GW don't want to make another faction where they need 10 new kits, each with 3 frames and where each person is only buying maybe 2 rare boxes because that's all the game allows.

40K is still extremely popular so it has room to grow but sooner rather than later that game is going to need a cull as well.

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Isn't trying to consider a setting a story a bad argument? You were never supposed to be looking at a clash of empires, but use the various wars and skirmishes as an excuse to have your own skirmishes and campaigns within them.

The setting as a whole won't go forward, that's true. But most settings aren't made with 'going forward' in mind. They're made for whatever story is being written in them, or in this case, whatever game is being played.

>>51943316
>However GW thought something was wrong and after Storm of Chaos didn't turn out as planned
Which begs the question, why they made the outcome of the event in relation to the winning scores send in by player.

>>51943821
The setting going forward was kinda needed for WHFB, but more towards an "Age of Exploration" way. The Lustria book and the Ogres (regardless of the quality of the later) were steps in the right direction, to discover more and more of the world.

>>51943883
Because given the advantages they gave to chaos players at that time, they had no way to lose.

>>51936840
It's weird. It's as if there was briefly an attempt to make superheroes "adult" by making them dark and gritty, but now that they've been legitimized they've reverted to crowd pleasing brightness and fun. I think the "dark period" was just a way to get them back in the public eye and now they've returned to their original form. I guess GW is trying to imitate the bright mood.

>>51942957
And there are fan documents that restore the original names.

>>51935589
I do, but i play 7th

>>51940823
I don't think anything in this post isn't retarded.

How do you feel about 9th Age and Zweihander and other not!Warhammer games and settings? Is it Chinese bootleg tier? Inevitable given AoS and GW's litigiousness? Or are they decent spiritual successors?

>>51932312
Man you're right Pierre... the thought of a functioning society is horrible.

Where is Age of Sigmar?

>>51945087
the trash

>>51935093

This is kinda difficult, since 2vs2 battles are mostly based arund fixing your ally weaknesses.

Example: if your ally plays Skaven, you might not want to bring artillery, but heavy hitters unit will benefit a lot from his giant tarpit units

>>51945238
Indeed. That's why I tried for a bit of everything.

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>>51942966
Forgeworld actually portrayed cathay warriors in tamurkhan... they were samurai warriors with tengu and those guardian dogs and foxes.

>>51943547

Disciples of tzeentch was a hefty release, though, with them releasing 10 kits (well, 9 kits, one of them a dual kit). Ironjawz got 6 kits, but expanded a handful of pre-existing models. Also, remember that you're not forced to have such a hard-capped limit on "rare" non-core there (just fulfill the battlelines.)

>>51942818
4th edition Talisman isn't set in the Warhammer World though.

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>>51943083
>>51943248

I prefer Kensei. More expensive, but 100% metal.

>>51944369

Unfortunately, they haven't done 1.3 yet.

>>51945493

Nice, I like your warhound scheme. I once saw a guy on T9A forum cut the tails down short and they looked really good, like mastiff warhounds.

>>51947528

They look pretty nice but after one game those spears will be like spaghetti.

>>51945765

All of this could be used for Warhammer 40K though.

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>>51949892
Naw, they're completely stiff. The problem is their back flags, unless you use a movement tray. Also these bows are hard to pin.

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>>51943083
Has anyone tried using the Steel Fist range as a proxy for Nippon?

Might be too expensive for the rank and file though.

>>51949927

Tzaangor enlightned and skyfires couldn't be used. Same for the ogroid taumaturge and acolytes (you could "proxy" them, but ehh...). Gaunt summoner would, again, require proxy-ing for a forgeworld model (actually an interesting concept). Tzaangors in 40k can't use half of the kit's options either.

Sure, daemons can be used for 40k, but that's always been the thing with daemons.

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>>51950354

I suppose it depends which rules you're using. Those guys from the KS have swords with the expectation you'll basically be using them as Great Swords.

You can tell Steel Fist are skirmish since they just have a menagerie.

Warlord make some decent Samurai as well.

>>51950484

So really they made 3 new kits. One of which I can guarantee will be coming to 40K sooner or later. The rest were duel kits, so my point still stands.

>>51952155
Quantity has a quality of its own,though Warlord raised the prices of the old WGF sprues.

I've painted a Sengoku period historical range(Perry/Steel Fist) so I might buy some Choson Koreans to use for the Imjin War/Cathay.

>>51945301

If I had to judge, i'd say you're spreading your forces too thin.

16 warriors as your biggest unit work for a fast, mobile army.

You've got little to no protection, and even a lvl2 mage of fire could pose a serious threath.
You've got no scroll of dispel or MR caddy, and this could pose a problem. Without going into details about what could happen should you ever face skaven, even less magically-apt armies could ruin your day.

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Welp, I just fell in love with a new Kickstarter and snatched up the last Early Bird pledge.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/822163699/dwarven-gold-fever

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>>51953325
>jewish dwarf

lel

>>51953764
>That staff
Funny. He didn't look Druish.

>>51955326
In what conflict did Ogre fight some undead?

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>>51955326

>>51955428
>undead
those are bretonnian men at arms

>>51936863
this gives me Ollanius Pius feels

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>>51955428
Trust me, they look even worse then they're actually dead.

>>51955975
A perpetual feeking?

>>51956099
>feeling*

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>>51956085

Just when you thought they couldn't get any uglier or smellier.

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>>51956434
I actually feel a bit sorry for the Bretonnian peasantry, and enjoy parts of the lore that flesh them out a little and make things just a little better - especially in ways that help explain how Bretonnia isn't collapsing under an almost completely agricultural economy, with a noble class focused almost solely on military elan rather than trade, building or scholarly pursuits - or in the case of Mousilion, show how things could manage to be even worse, or help give examples of how the system might actually go wrong. Maybe it's just how Bretonnia is always portrayed in the lore - with at least an outward face of nobility - but it's difficult to imagine them having the same cults or corruption as in the Empire, especially when their kings are all made Grail Knights, so they're always just and intelligent and strong (except for a couple deposed kings, and I hate how it doesn't explain what happened to them - they're blessed by the Lady, how could they go bad?)

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>>51955428
>Bretonnians are so repulsive that they're mistaken for corpses

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>>51956624
The women are lovely though. It's almost as if some uncaring elven deity with a somewhat creepy interest in humans only wanted to be served by pretty people, leaving the ugly to languish in misery like some sort of eugenics experiment to weed out anyone that wasn't the smartest, bravest, and most beautiful (and thereby closest to elves)....nah, what are the chances of that?

should I go to fedex and print out WHFB3e?

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>>51956710
Why would an elf god care about Bretonnians? You must be dumb.

>>51956624

They make Stirlanders look like Burgomeister's of Marienberg.

>>51956819

I dunno'.

Why 3rd edition?

>>51957132
because it's much better than any other edition

>>51957162

Well if you feel that way then the answer is probably yes.

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>Knights Errant have crappy helmets that are bascinets with crude visors, with more worn and longer shields
>Knights of the Realm have old fashioned, but better decorated barrel helms with the fancy crests, and wider and well-painted shields
>peasant mobs actually look worse than Men-at-Arms and have shovels and other farm implements as weapons

I have a boner

>>51933939
Part of the beauty of total war is the capacity of rewrite the history, the timeline is one specifically created so you can take your favorite lord and change the world, i love that, and honestly i think it work as a new or alternative edition of the clasic warhammer...
I mean: have the dwarf kindom and the empire stand together against Archaon with a second world war army is hilarious, transform the chaos land in a forest with the Wood elves is great, right now having the True Von Carstein retake Sylvania and save the land of the man from the Chaos warriors is surprisingly satisfactory (specially when i earn the loyalty of middenland after i take the chaos herd of his back), but my favorite campaign was the last with salvage orc with Archaon eaten by an arachnarok, sarthorael beated in a magic duel with Wuzzarg then butchered by salvage orcs and Sigvald trampled by Boards

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6th Edition question on spears.

Pic related.

It says in the description that stationary spearmen can fight in two ranks, but then the rules here (and later in the summary page) mention nothing about having to be stationary to fight in both ranks.

Hell, from this strict interpretation I could also use my spears to fight in two ranks against a flank or rear charge.

Is this correct? Or was there an FAQ I'm missing somewhere?

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>>51931854

who /forthelady/ here?

why are you shitposting instead of cleansing the realms of evil?

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>>51931854
Nice setting guys, too bad mine is objectively superior.

Also a reminder that my glorious setting was born from the ashes of your trash one.

Just admit we are superior.

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>>51958462

I think you go with the first interpretation. You fight in two ranks when charged and after the first round of combat if you are the one doing the charging. Nothing in that sentence seems to suggest you always fight in two ranks, only that you can. It also emphasises that they are defensive weapons.

>>51959147

Actually, we're laughing at how ugly what passes as the lay community is in Bongonnia.

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>>51959265

You're actually offending me with how little effort has gone into that bait.

>>51959328
meet me on the field and not online and see what happens peasant

>>51959328
>bongonnia
But bretonnia is french

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>>51959355

What the Holy Sigmar did you just fucking say about me, you little luddite? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Imperial Gunnery School, and I’ve been involved in numerous stand and shoots with halberd regiments, and I have survived over 300 confirmed misfires. I am trained in black-powder warfare and I’m the shot in the entire Engineering school. You are nothing to me but just another lake fucker. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the Old World, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me using our Imperial signalling towers? Think again, lickspittle. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Dwarfs across the Middle Mountains and your fiefdom is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm (of Chaos), maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, Mr. No-horse-barding. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over two ways (shooting, melee and forcing you off the table), and that’s just with my core. Not only am I extensively trained in halberd combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Imperial Zoo and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn Elf-worshipper. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, froggo.

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>>51959147
I'm realizing how hard it is to keep control of multiple units of cavalry at once. And Marienburg keeps bullying me as I try to fight Greenskins.

>>51937118
It's Canon that he got headbutted by the baddest Orc.

Thousands of battle reports compiled together out-weigh some butt-blasted author.

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>>51959265
Everything canon to your setting is shit garbage for faggots, #shitgarbageforfaggots.

While there is small flexks of promise it lies 100% in the community, pic related. Everything produced by GW is horrible.

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>>51959265
>cheesy He-Manesque Saturday morning cartoon setting
>tries way too hard to be, like, super epic, dude
>pretty much written to sate the superhero fantasies of Monster-chugging 12-year-olds
>objectively superior
Mmm, yummy bait.

>>51957634
sleep tight, filthy paesant

>>51959518
>aos is just the mess left after a studio spergout

>>51961099
considering the brief propbably just was along the lines of 'axe old setting, write new one so we can keep selling old models' it's not far from the truth.

>>51959518
>Thousands of battle reports compiled together out-weigh some butt-blasted author.
It might should be the case but it really doesn't.
The author can just ignore everything and everyone and writes what he wants.

>>51961469
And then your game go from 50% of the company's sales to less than 5%

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Maybe it's not fair to complain about Bretonnia in TW:W so early, but still - a lot of the things I was worried about before it came out ended up better than expected, and I can even forgive the strange reworked geography of northern Bretonnia. But something that bothers me is that when public order gets low enough, you're attacked by a 'Greenskin incursion,' not a peasant riot or even a knightly rebellion.

I get that Bretonnia is supposed to be the land of fairies and flowers, but why wouldn't the peasantry revolt? Their lives are shitty and if the nobility isn't actually keeping things at least okay, I can see them taking up arms. You could argue it's about game balance, but I know CA could've had some behind the scenes buffs to make a mob of peasants actually a threat.

>>51961825
And the company revenue stagnates for a decade while every other competitor grows.

>>51962289
The nobility have an honest to goodness goddess backing them. Her blessings are both real and repeatable and that she gives absolutely zero shits about the lot of filthy peasants. Let's not forget the magical damsels running around the place as well as the fact that peasants don't really leave their villages and I'm not really seeing a peasant revolt ending well against people whose past time is hunting green skins.

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thinking of proxying Tree kin with the age of smegma Not!Tree_kin because they're cheaper and easier to get
Good idea / bad idea?
I would want to somehow get rid of the weapons possibly, or at least mod them to be bulkier somehow

>>51963385

Proxy them starting from a box of dryads, those things are fucking horrible.

>A
>FUCKING
>CUP

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>>51963385
I think Mantic's new treemen range is in the works too. They released this.

>>51963484
I'd like them to be a mix between how they're depicted in the army book and the total war game version
sadly I've yet to find something that really looks close enough

>>51962289
Bretonnian peasants don't really have what it takes to revolt.

Sure there can be cases where it happens, but they rarely do.

Greenskin/Beastmen/Necromancer incursions are much more common. And the peasants are just glad they aren't killed by either one of these.

>>51958454
What the hell is a salvage ork? Some sort of tech savy savage ork?

>>51959265
I'd atleast be more accepting of AoS if GW got some competent artists to illustrate the setting. Everything out of it looks like a fucking children's playset.

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>>51963444

>>51964552
Bantmaster Daith bringing the fire

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>>51964552
>moistened bint distributes cups
>use this as a system of government

>>51964552
>Calling your princess a harlot

>>51965295
What, you don't?

>>51932856
>spear and shield
look at this fucking peasant

>>51933630
brb gonna go convert some Zombie Pirates

>>51935666
>t. ass-blasted dwarf

>>51956624
>sigmarites are so cowardly they make use of guns

>>51964679
>says the nation that literally elected a harelipped infant and a man named Fat Boris as their Emperor

>>51966202
>>51966325
>>51966367
Let the greentext wars begin! What will be their counter?

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Which mega has old white dwarfs

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>>51966325
>Umgi is so treacherous they pick fights with themself
This is why yer wives dinnae follow ye into battle. They're ashamed.

>>51962816
>>51964506
I get your reasoning, but it still kind of sucks and feels like a copout. I'd like to see some Bretonnia on Bretonnia action.

Here's hoping someone makes a mod, I guess.

>Alberic of Bordeleaux
>Peasant mob
>Grail Guardians
>Royal Pegasus Knights
>Royal Hippogryph Knights
>Foot Squires
>Holy Water Trebuchet

So what do you guys think about the new Bretonnian units?

>>51967126
Needs Trojan Rabbit and Holy Grenadiers.

>>51967126
Grail Guardians were already a thing in the tabletop game.

The peasant mobs are useless in game, but they are honestly a decent thematic fit.

Alberic is in the lore I believe, but he's kind of boring as fuck.

The holy trebuchets is retarded and I love it.

The foot squires are so fucking pointless.
Like I get that their point is to shore up the weakness of the Bretonninan line, allowing for more effective hammer and anvil tactics.
But they're not necessary. The only point of Bretonnian infantry is to keep the enemy busy while your cavalry and archer (Bretonnian archers are actually really fucking good in this game, they're cheap as fuck and their ability to debuff ahead of a cavalry charge means you can efficiently end fights against several units of black orcs with yeomen and peasants if you so desire) pelt them with sharp bits of metal at the end of wooden poles of various sizes. Getting new stronger infantry would be one that can more efficiently fulfil that role, or take on a new one.
However they're worse at the role than Grail Pilgrims, whom you don't have to use a precious regional capital slot to get (And don't need TWO buildings for), and their armour piercing is pointless when their damage is as pathetic as it is.
And their added ability of being "Stronger against infantry" means nothing when they still lose outright to basically every mainstay infantry except for Imperial swordsmen.

I dig the Royal Hippogryphs and Pegasus knights.
Without super knights of some kind the Bretonnian roster was going to be boring as shit (Enjoy 3 types of lance cavalry which are all just straight upgrades, and two types of sword cavalry one of which is a straight upgrade), so adding something straight out of a story book that gives them a unique edge is fine by me.

Plus you can't hate on a good swoop.

>>51967126
Mounted squires would be better

And foot knights

>>51967516
Mounted squires makes no sense, the purpose of a squire is to care for a horse because horses are very labor-intensive so the warrior who rides them doesn't have the time for it.

If a squire has a horse, then he needs a squire.

>>51967816
Caring for two horses does not take twice the labour of caring for one horse.

Otherwise farmers would explode.

>>51967516
>Foot knights
>Bretonnia

What's next you cur?
Knights doing LABOR?
Peasants THINKING?

>>51967915
Peasant Cavalry. They are as shitty as other peasants, but they are faster to get where you need them to be shit.

They also ride their horses backwards.

>>51967816
So when the knight is travelling, how do you propose his squire keeps up?

>>51968057
Powerwalking is a proud Bretonnian tradition.

>>51968057

Coconuts.

>>51968079
I'm so disappointed that the grail reliquiae don't have a guy knocking coconuts together.

>>51967816
A knight fights and is supported by 2-3 others with remounts and kit. They all ride horses.

It's historical fact.

>>51967915
You can't take your horse in a siege tower or up a wall m8

Ok given this is warhammer you probably can but it looks daft

>>51968115

How good are you at converting?

>>51968155

I know that in at least one instance, a Bretonnian Knight actually did take his horse to the top of a tower, the absolute madman.

>>51968165
I really, really want to do that, but I'm pretty terrible.

On the other hand you need two brown halved spheres.

>>51968155
>Implying you need to scale a wall if you've achieved the necessary amount of chivalry.

Pegasus knights anon.
Walls are for peasants.

>>51968182
The Dutch once attacked a boat with cavalry.

>>51968238
Sorry, I got that in reverse.
The dutch once had a fleet defeated by a cavalry regiment.

>>51968238
>>51968277

Got source for this? I'd like further reading.

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>>51968155
High Elves use cavalry charges on ships, after all.

>>51968281
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Dutch_fleet_at_Den_Helder

>>51968204
You also need a swallow to carry it to him.

>>51968316
Is it a European or African Swallow?

>>51968334
I-I don't know!

>>51963385

I hate AoS as much as anyone but there were a few models that came out for it that were good.

These and the other tree spirit guys are pretty good in my opinion. They fit in with the Treeman theme of looking more like a living creature in a woods than a living tree, which I liked.

Same thing for the Tzeench release, they make good Marauders.

>>51964552

How the fuck will the cups ever recover?