MTG MM17 SPOILERS

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Holy shit

>>51929146
this, is bigger news than>>51929134

if you want to play modern.

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>>51929134
Fucking finally

Could someone toss links to the articles up in here, the mobile site is behind.

>buy a pack of mm17
>Equal chance of getting damnation and fucking stoic angel
Yeah naw fuck this noise. Does anybody use stoic angel in modern, even in shitbrews?

>>51929227
Of course not.

Let alone Damnation actually being used outside of a 1-of in bad Jund decks.

>>51929227
I think literally only rafiq commander decks use it

>>51929196
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/get-ready-dual-2017-02-27?

>>51929146
why not just put more basic land in your deck?

>>51929146
This is bad. This will do nothing to their price plus it will inflate price of boosters even more.

>>51929274
Hello, new friend

>>51929274
It can fetch shocks.

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>>51929134
>Rare

>>51929299
Told you.

>>51929134
>>51929146
>Rares people have wanted reprinted for years
>At rare and not bullshit chase mythics/Totally Not Ghost Rares
I fuck with this

>>51929299
>Reprinting the guildgates
Literally unjustifiable. Even in the most casual of kitchen table decks you should be running either the lands that give you 1 life or the scry ones.

I wish I could say I was disappointed, but this is exactly what I was expecting.

>>51929337
This art is pretty neat though

>>51929337
This, exactly this. There's no fucking reason for the Guildgates to be reprinted, ever. Unless fucking Maze's End is getting reprinted in here.

>>51929337
>not knowing about janky Maze's end EDH decks

>>51929351
>Unless fucking Maze's End is getting reprinted in here
Even if Maze's End is getting reprinted, it's not like we need more guildgates in circulation to make that deck cost less than a couple bucks.

>>51929351
You bet your sweet ass it will be

>>51929353
>EDH
>mattering at all to a set called MODERN Masters
This is how you know they fucked up.

>>51929373
Do you really think wotc is doing these reprints to make decks cost less?

>>51929325
>>51929146
I wish we had new art for these

Damnation is just a fucking meme. Them reprinting the fetches here is a big fucking deal. Means they wont reprint them on a regular set any time soon. Watch MM17s price skyrocket and almost no effect on the fetches secondary market price.

>>51929373
>Maze's End Draft Archetype

P L E A S E

>>51929351
The reason is they made a limited archetype that needs a lot of fixing and they figured they hadn't printed the guildgates in a while. The tri lands at common and the scry lands at uncommon would have been much better.

>>51929396
No, but that is the cover story for modern masters existing in the first place.

I'm not disappointed, I expected shit. Guildgates are just a bit more shit than I was expecting.

>>51929415
>>51929416
>Limited
>in a reprint set
You are the reason modern is dying.

>>51929415
>drafting maze's end
Yeah i mean you just need a mythic AND 10 other specific different cards

>>51929432
I'm not supporting their reasoning, just explaining it.

>>51929436
They'll put maze's end at rare. It will be glorious.

>>51929436
I forgot mazes end was a mythic. If it gets reprinted at that there's pretty much no reason to buy a modern masters 17 pack.

>>51929416
I don't see them lowering the rarity of actively played cards like the scry lands.

>>51929432
"reprint sets" were always a trap to get you to waste money, they are all designed for limited first, and with dollar signs int he packs second to sucker the "pro" players.

you could never make a modern deck even if you had a case of each Modern Masters set.

>>51929469
>Actively played
>Scry lands
They are played?

>>51929227
Did anyone use Skeletal Vampire when it was printed in original MM? There's always gonna be hits and misses. If everything was a hit the price of these packs would go well beyond MSRP.

>>51929479
Ad nauseam, WR prison, some UW control lists. I mean they're not fetches, but still.

>>51929351
I think they only reprinted Guildgates because of the focus on Innistrad/Return to Ravnica blocks

>>51929479

In Commander.

>>51929415
>>51929436
Iirc it was impossible in RTR to do this in limited.

>Multicolored heavy draft environment
Shit, I'm gonna miss it

>>51929478
You could make an OK splinter twin with a bad mana base

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>>51929102
Will they?

>People actually saying "HATERS BTFO!!!" with these spoilers

I don't think they actually understand WHY people have been down on Modern Masters sets. They could put Lillianas and Goyfs in the set and it's still not good from a financial perspective unless there is good commons/uncommons too (which won't happen because of WoTC's current design philosophy). Putting good/chase cards at Mythic and Rare is just standard operating procedure, only you're paying $10 a pop for your lottery ticket.

>>51929568
It's still a possibility: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XFq8oiGSxdwFzbEtkVJA8uWKQ7aknrAHdfOilKTDtDo/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true

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Why do people always cry about MM? All it does is lower the price of shit. Seriously find me 1 card that costs more besides surgical extraction, and even that would probably cost way more if it didn't have that reprint. I really appreciate eternal masters, and I'm very happy to pick up 2 damnations for 40 dollars soon. Fuck the hates, buying sealed was never viable.

>>51929603
I don't really understand the graph, but it looks like you know your shit, so I'll take your word for it.

>>51929603
Why would you even release an EV on a box now? Literally every single price is going to drop by tomorrow, really not worth anyone's time.

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From an earlier thread

>>51929683
He was right about the fetches though. Why they wouldn't use them to flog a standard set is beyond me.

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>>51929603
So is Cavern of Souls between Boros Guildgate and Crumbling Necropolis.

>>51929683
From a current thread >>51921378

>>51929628
Cards in a set are listed in alphabetical orderin their colors (so, white acrds alphabetically, then blue, etc...). Knowing the ones that have been spoiled you can guess which cards can fit i between the slots.

Eg. Boros Guildgate was confirmed at 231 and Crumbling Necropolis at 233. That means that card #232 has to be in between those letters. Cavern of Souls,
Boseiju and City of Brass fit the spot.

>>51929681
Who knows. The excel comes from reddit. Don't expect much from them.

>>51929683
>for all intents an purposes, Damnation is on the reserved list
>gets reprinted anyway
HOMARID SHAMAN CONFIRMED FOR MM17

>>51929681
Not that guy but EV (at time of formulation) will have an impact on card pool selection

>>51929683
Lol btfo. I'm not like a wizards fanboy or anything, but it's not like they're just going to make up a set, look at it, be like, "Well it sucks" and then just put fetches in. That's so retarded.

>>51929695
because MM17 can sell half the packs and still make more money? EVERYONE is going to be using prize money to buy MM17 packs at fnm or modern monday

>>51929716
I guess that's true to an extent. I was thinking back to EMA where the E Value was pretty much cut in half after they reprinted shit that wasn't out since the 90s. Modern cards have all had reasonably larger print runs.

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>>51929372
No new art, or even using the Promo art, that sucks. At Least I have the Promo

>>51929786
>Muh art!
Truly the mark of the autist

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I only give a shit about the Fetches

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>>51929841

>autist

neck yourself, senpai

>>51929740
There's nooo way a masters set could ever make more money for WOTC than a large standard set.

>>51929883
noun. 1. Psychiatry. a pervasive developmental disorder of children, characterized by impaired communication, excessive rigidity, and emotional detachment: now considered one of the autism spectrum disorders. 2.

What are all the mythics going to be like in comparison? Not like we'd get another reprinting of Jtms

>>51929900
It can't but it's a great way for them to put 0 thought into a bunch of reprints and then make a shit load for literally printing money. And I could come up with a better draft enviorment so don't start with that.

>>51929908
Goyf. Every set until you like it.

>>51929619
Doubling Season.

>>51929908
7 good mythics, 8 that either barely get your pack value back or are trash.

>>51929320
Be glad it's not a Mythic

>>51929906

Well, you've proven you can cut and paste. Next I suggest working on the whole "reading" and "comprehension" bit.

>>51929949
That was just wizards trying to help EDH autists, but you really just can't. I'll be more specific, cards played in modern that didn't drop at all.

>>51929955
>JTMS
>Lily
>Goyf
Is there any other Mythic worth more than the enemy fetches or Damnation?

>>51929940

>Goyfs get reprinted at rare
>price still doesn't go down because hoarders and price memory

There is no winning this game.

>>51929320
>4 mana wrath at anything less than rare
Don't be delusional m8

>>51929695
Because WotC is banking on the masterpiece series to sell standard sets now.

>>51929971
Snap will be mythic, I guarantee it.

>>51929981
he wanted more, dipshit.

I agree should be Mythic, but I'll take it anyway.

>>51929908
>inb4 the majority of mythics are PW cards

I knew it. I fucking called it and some chucklefucks in previous threads doubted me.

I said that the land cycle in this are either going to be fetches or Scars of Mirrodin fastlands.

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>>51929992
>making a mythic of a 30-dollar card

>>51929971
They dont have to be $40+ to be good. Wotc's articles on mm17 today confirmed a populate theme on the set so Voice of Resurgence is likely to be in there. Maybe Craterhoof as well. Those are good Mythics.

>>51930005
Don't forget the 1 completely garbage fucking mythic that ends up in every masters set for no reason other than to shit on someone's life.

>>51930031
Tibalt

>>51930017
>Comet storm

>>51930031
>1 completely garbage fucking mythic
I don't know why, but my gut is telling me that it'll be Lotus Cobra.

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Goblin Guide!

>>51930019
>Voice of Resurgence at mythic again when it wasn't going be one in the first place and was changed from rare at the last second

If this happens I will pop a bollock.

>>51930045
Fair

>>51930056
FUCK YES!
Like the new art, love the new flavortext.

>>51930056
Fake

I'm wondering if WOTC would make Horizon Canopy a Mythic just to fuck with people. That card really needs a price drop.

I'm really hoping for a Mishra's bauble reprint.

>>51930082
I just hope they reprint the future duals in general.

>>51930080
Nope, Tolarian Community College official reveal.

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>>51930031
Don't take it personal, it's just for giggles

Every supplemental set the same, they blow their load on the first and second day with all the good shit and then the last days we see what the other 80% of the set is like (which is shit).
>>51930056
Shit art, expected reprint

>>51930056
BUCKLE YOUR FUCKLES
ITS AGGRO TIME

>>51929102
No mythics spoiled yet, and there are some pretty killer rares.

Tarn and Lilli taking the mythic spots again? Maybe a snap caster after all?

>>51930076
This is the normal old flavour text.

>>51930056
REPRINTED AS RARE, THANK GOD!

>>51930110
>Shit art
You're acting as if the original Goblin Guide art wasn't shit already.

>>51930056
What the hell? Guide, Resto, Fetches, and Damnation all at rare? What are they going to do for mythic that even comes close to measuring up to this?

I will bust a nut if this is subtly telling us there is no mythics in this set.

>>51930139
It is? Oh.

>>51930156
See >>51929568

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How is one suppose to feel when they already have enough of some of the hyped card, but not enough of some others?

I mean there is always the "Sell the Extras!' line, but prices drops for months after Master set hits.

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>>51930056
>It's a proper Zendikari goblin

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>>51930156
>no mythics in this set
Never gonna happen

>>51930156
>I will bust a nut if this is subtly telling us there is no mythics in this set.
I would be so fucking happy if that ever happened. Don't count on it.

>>51930156
Domri confirmed though

>People all jerking off and excited cause "DIS IS REALLY THE TIME WIZARDS DOES A GOOD JOB"
Do I have to go back and post all the cards that were first realeased when MM 2015 EMA and original MM came out?

>>51930229
Dude, the original MM was the shit. What are you talking about?

>>51930108
That's actually one of the most coveted expedition, though. Most expeditions are only used in decks that play 1-of, but aether vial, ravager and thopter are all played as 4-of, which makes them much mroe valuable.-

>>51929786
But the promo art is fucking bad compared to the original.

>>51930229
No because those sets were Shitcakes with Icing on top

The icing for MM17 so far has been pretty good but the Shitcake isn't revealed until tomorrow

>>51930229
>Original MM
Please do.

>>51930246

The original MM set was good with top quality cards at uncommon and rare slots. It was hampered only by the extremely small print run.

>>51930256
Agreed,
Holy fuck is it ever ugly

>>51930262
OG MM is pretty good m8

>>51930031
Well we made a format for that called EDH.

>>51929420
Damnation and fetches get reprinted and you're focused on the guild gates. This is why you're unhappy, anon.

>>51930156
>I will bust a nut if this is subtly telling us there is no mythics in this set.

I think EVERYONE will bust a nut if that happened. Mythics are cancer.

>>51930304
I have a mazes end deck
>Because I mean... What else am I suppose to do with Mazes and Gates other than burn them? Can't sell them.
New art would be neat.

>>51930281
It was a good set meant to be rare so its value would be higher; it was meant to be a 'reward' for game-shops, IIRC.

>>51930308
Griselbrand is already confirmed due to pack art so I think we'll be seeing mythics.

>>51929299
Confirming Mazes end?

I'm kind of hoping that they spoil JTMS on the last day of spoilers when the entire card list is released, with a very casual sort of, "oh, btw, we're also having this guy show up as one of the Mythics," before going on in the rest of the article of how they have him in MM2017 as a teaser for him being unbanned in Modern as an experiment, to see if he's still powerful enough to warrant a ban in the first place, or if the specter of CawBlade kept them from unbanning him until now.

>>51929134
HALLEL-FUCKING-UJAH!!!!! Reading that article i think they are full of shit but whatever.

>>51929146
This is fucking amazing too. MM2017 is looking to be the best fucking set in ages. I would not even give a fuck if Lilly and Snap were in or not now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWOSqsImos8

>>51930349

I think it was more of WotC just "testing the waters" at the time because they didn't think it would sell out fast(Amazing thinking process I know.) They really dropped the ball with MM2015 but they seem to have redeemed themselves somewhat already with MM2017

>>51930402
TCC is a huge faggot and loves cock.

>>51930421

So are you but you don't see us making a big deal about it.

>>51930421

He's like the least annoying MTG YouTuber.

>>51930421
bruh i'm just posting the goblin guide reprint

>>51929102
So what is the likely hood of getting the price of the box back in value if you buy a box?

>>51930448
We won't know until full rare/mythic spoilers

>>51930448
Depends on the uncommons and commons.

>>51930368

Maze's End always felt like Thawing Glaciers to me. I feel like it would have a shot in Modern as a control deck if it had a way to get over the Blood Moon hump.

>>51930442
Something about MTGHeadquarters is ungenuine as fuck and makes me want to kill myself. I do like Rudy and Travis though.

>>51930483

>liking Rudy

Go support his patreon so you can get ~amazing deals~ on buying boxes from him! Heh heh heh!

>>51930448
0%
MM17 is going to be printed from March to August to finally kill the secondary market. None of these cards will be worth the cardboard they're printed on by July

>>51930483

I like (((Rudy))) too.

>>51930442
That's literally not saying anything at all. Also I find Andrea Mengucci to be good.

>>51930448
>Did you pull (100 dollar chase mythic)?
>No?
>Congrats on losing 100 dollars!

>>51930499

Why would they kill the secondary Market?

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Supreme Verdict BTFO

>>51930402

Christine Sprankle probably looks like an average girl under all that makeup and all but god damn her Liliana cosplay's get me going for some reason.

>>51930499
Source? Modern masters products have always been rediculously underprinted.

The zendi fetches are going to double in price from this.

>>51930003
>card is wanted by a lot of people
>rare
>not happy
>wants it as a mythic
Yeah because being easier to get is shit right ?

>>51930580
It's cause you're a handholdless virgin with Zero standards.

>>51930605

Nah i just got a thing for costumes and uniforms.

>>51930421
Many Magic: the Gathering players want to know, how can anon have taste this bad?

>>51930572
>"The Damnation memes are very funny, but I've gotten tired of them"
>memes got us Damnation reprint
PRAISE KEK!

>>51930421
You're right, he is a huge faggot, but he does good product reviews. That's all I care about.

>>51930653
>He does good product reviews
True, Thing in the Ice is absolutely the number 1 modern card reshaping the format

>>51929320
>Collectorfag
>Just had his 500+ investment Damnations' value obliterated.
>BITCH TEARS!

Oh gods yes the tears and salt are fucking SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>51930605

Bruh you're an anon posting on a chinese cartoon image board, in a magic: the gathering thread. We're all handholdless virgins with zero standards here.

>>51930499
Look at the price of every value card they have reprinted in mm sets. It decreases after release but it slowly climbs up sometimes even surpassing the price they had before reprint. Fetches will see a light drop but then will skyrocket because its likely they will not get reprinted any time soon.

>>51930670
My girlfriend is a dime and you're a faggot with zero self esteem.

>>51929786
The original art is much better than the promo art anyway. All it needed was the new border.

>>51930665
Naw, I just really liked being the only person in my group to have even a single copy of damnation. I got 4 from playing planar chaos.

>>51930664
To be fair, thats one of the only cards from SOI that sees play in Modern

>>51930664
product reviews as in MTG supplies reviews

>>51930665
>Price has already dropped to 60
the colorshifted border looks good though.

>>51930690

>my """"""girlfriend""""""

post nudes or gtfo

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>>51930572
>The Damnation memes are very funny, but I've gotten tired of them

Meme magic once again confirmed

>>51930483
Headquarters doesnt know shit about the game.

>>51930730
Slightly more than Desolator does though.

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Hey there Desolatormagic here, they shouldn't have printed damnation. It's a broken piece of crap and it's unhealthy for the game. Fuck wizards and their shills, and screw everyone who disagrees with me. Theros 4life

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>>51930402
just me or does professor look like bjorn?

>>51929227
It's EDH fodder and even then I don't know why I'd run her in any Bant deck besides liking the damned thing.

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>>51930795

telling you, invest now, they'll spike any day now

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>>51930795
>>51930805
>>51930840
DON'T SUMMON THIS EVIL TO /TG/ AGAIN

>>51929977
I just came to terms with the fact that I'll never play anything green in a eternal format besides EDH because you'll never convince me to fork over the dosh for a playset of Goyfs.

>>51930840
All the netdecking netdeckers will be running 4 of the 7/11 and the 3 mana first strike animating enchantment because it's literally unbeatable, fucking netdeckers.

>>51930647
MEME MAGIC

>>51930840
You know the weird thing about this card to me?

It actually IS pretty good. It's an excellent ramp spell and the only reason I can think for it not to see more play in standard is that it's just not good enough for the meta.

That being said, I thought Wolfir Silverheart was good too, so what do I know about evaluating cards?

>>51930108
But people are willing to commit murder to get their hands on Masterwork Thopters, the thing is actually worth dosh, so either sell it or trade it for something valuable you'll actually use.

>>51930886

It's okay man, Legacy is already dumping Goyf and running Hooting Mandrills and Angler instead.

Goyf is only good in Modern.

>>51930925
Are you high? Show me one fucking bug list running angler or mandrills over goyf

>>51930045
>was never a rare

249 cards in the set.

20 will be taken up entirely by non-basic lands. 10 at common, 5 at uncommon and 5 at rare. It's possible that the "cycle" for this set is already determined to be the Zen fetches, i don't think they'll reprint a second "cycle" of cards into the set.

This leaves 229 cards left with 5 confirmed or speculated to be reprinted. Goblin Guide, Stoic Angel, Restoration Angel, Domri Rade and Snapcaster. This leaves 224 cards left unexplored with the themes being:

GW populate (most likely Voice will be reprinted)
WU blink and/or flash (resto angel confirmed, maybe clique again)
UB instants and counters(removal? bounce? remand again?)
RB unearth/reanimator (almost guaranteed to have a reprint of Sedris in this, commons and uncommons likely to be Rotting Rats, Anathemancer and other flashback cards.)
RG go wide (literally anything, so many cards that fit this. They could end up pushing a Tribal theme here with Goblins and other cards or it could just be generic token spam.)

So given what we've seen so far from past printings and design cycles this set will probably focus mostly on INN, ALA, RTR blocks with cards sprinkling from other sets here and there(e.g Damnation and Goblin Guide).

>>51930886
Nic Fit doesn't run Goyf since you'd just be killing them all the time with your Pernicious Deeds

>>51930690
Well then my dad could beat your dad faggot

Ral Zarek at mythic, calling it now.

>>51930886

Some decks aren't even playing Goyf anymore and have gone back to fine classics like Nimble Mongoose.

>>51930981
>WU blink
Blade Splicer and Wall of Omens would make nice commons/uncommons, imo.

>>51931038

All planeswalkers gotta be mythic anon.

>>51930805
Nice background Des. KYS!

>>51930944

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/570340#paper

Or you can look at the lists that have just dropped Goyf altogether, like:

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/571190#paper

Goyf isn't good with BR Reanimator making everyone pack graveyard hate.

>>51931094
But Angler and Mandrills are shite against yard hate too. At least Goyf still comes down on turn 2 regardless of whether or not your opponent drew hate.

>>51931062
Wall of Omens at common makes my pauper senses shiver with joy.

>>51931134
Wall would be fucking ridiculous at common. Every draft of MM17 would be filled with 0/4 defenders clogging up the battlefield with their asses.

>>51930907
It's a do-nothing when played card that is dead on multiple draws. That 3 mana elf that turns dudes into mana dorks is the correct version of this effect.

The only potential it ever had is combo and even in that category it's niche.

>>51931134
>>51931154
Well, I guess we'll now see if Wizards learned anything from Peregrine Drake.

>>51931062

I'm inclined to think they'll print new stuff and will try and stay away from reprinting certain cards in past MM sets again but they may reprint Flickerwisp into MM again which would work alright. Wall of Omens is definitely a contender though but the set its from may not get it into the design of this set.

I don't think know if they'll reprint Dark Confidant back in but it seems possible, I doubt Kiki jiki will get reprinted either but they may do it for the Angel+Kiki combo interaction.

>>51930409
>redeemed themselves already
MM3, no matter how good of rares and mythics they reprint, will not be good unless there are a bunch of good commons and uncommons.

>>51931174

On that I agree, all will be revealed in time.

SOON

>>51931131

The Angler and Mandrills have better staying power after they play their graveyard hate than Goyf does. If they're putting down a Rest In Peace or Leyline of the Void, a preventative graveyard hate, Goyf isn't any good anyways, it'd just be a 0/1 for two.

>>51930907
Literally unplayable in standard without secure the wastes

>>51931174
Actually, it's about the print run. We need a long ass print run to drive the prices of these rares into the dirt. The second market can go fuck itself.

What are the chances that Signets will be reprinted?

>>51930483
>liking Rudy
You should buy one of his booster boxes at incredible price goyi- I mean anon-kun

>>51931094
I said bug you stupid faggot

>>51930156
>Guide, Resto, Fetches, and Damnation all at rare?
D R A F T
R
A
F
T

>>51929683
I was expecting it to be a masterpiece in Hour of Devastation.

That'd be a plane-literal End of Days situation.

>>51931401

Here you go, faggot.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/573699#paper

>>51929706
WE THUNDER SPIRIT AT UNCOMMON NOW

>>51931518
Lol in that very page you posted it says Tarm is a 4 of in 84% of Bug Delver decks, and that's just delver, not even talking about Shardless or True Name

>>51929568
I'd be happy, I could finally grab another one for my mono-black at hopefully less than $30. Although, I'm probably being delusional.

>>51931569
Think me might be lucky enough to get Sarpadian Empires, Vol. VII at Mythic?

>>51929696

It'll be City of Brass.

We can only get so much of what we want.

>>51931036
T O P P I P
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>>51931094
>Goyf isn't good with BR Reanimator making everyone pack graveyard hate.
>BR reanimator
>not dredge

Excuse me?

>>51930805
I've read it in his voice! Kek

>>51930448

It is always near zero. You never buy a box to try and get that much value out of a box. If a box had as much value as the sticker price the stores would raise the prices accordingly.

>>51930515

I do enjoy Andrea Mengucci's videos where he plays Legacy decks he's apparently never seen before and doesn't seem to understand.

They got a lot less entertaining when he learned how to pronounce "Miracles" though.

>>51931750
Mengucci is on the same level as Pascal Maynard. Neither of them can play this game worth a damn.
Nothing worse than their videos desu

>>51930572
>Memes gave us a Damnation reprint
Praise kek

Now hopefully we can meme our way into the abolishment of the Reserved List

>>51931767
It's funny cause they are both successful mtg players of the highest caliber and you shitpost on tg

>>51931002

Nic Fit is an EDH deck though.

>>51931799
>highest caliber
No they aren't
They're above average players sponsored by Channel Fireball.
Get over your little boy crush

So because almost all unearth and populate cards blow ass, Sedris and trostani reprint confirmed as mythics?

>>51931867

Maynard is a fairly accomplished player.

Mengucci only has one Pro Tour Top 8 to boast of. Not terribly impressive for a "Pro" player

Eurobros, where do you buy your boxes from?

>>51932116
Either Games-Island or a guy who buys bulks of displays to sell the boosters for rather cheap (2.50€ for normal boosters)

>>51932086
Especially considering how rampant cheating is, especially among channel fireball people. I'm assuming that's what it was.

>>51932217
>Cheating among channel fireball guys
explain

>>51931799

>Mengucci
>player of the highest caliber

Maybe if by "highest caliber" you mean "cheating scumbag" as he was cheating and match fixing and it resulted in him being DCI banned until 2011. Doesn't help either when he played on some team with 2 other cheaters like Saito and one other.

Pascal Maynard is a solid dude. Picks foil tarmogoyf and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>51932116
mkm

>>51932245

I completely forgot he was the player at the center of that shit storm. The man is a legend. Isn't afraid to money draft and get shit on by all the toxic "pros."

>>51932270

Don't forget he sold the card at an auction and gave the money to charity as well

>>51932116
Currently, Magic Card Market. There's multiple big sellers, some will be more expensive but shipping is also a major factor because on orders in booster box range it can be between 5 and 30 Euro depending on your and the sellers country.

Though at least my store lets the regular customers preorder boxes really cheap, usually at 75 Euro per standard set.

Maybe we can print bolt this time. :) First box for me outside of conspiracy 2 since 5th dawn and I am excited

>>51932270

Yeah and then Turtenwald shat on him for doing it. Meanwhile Maynard is still writing articles for Channel Fireball while Turtenwald hasn't written shit since August last year. They obviously can't get rid of Turtenwald since he's a HOF alumni now.

Maynard also sold the Goyf for charity.

>>51932237
Fucking everyone knows that pro level events are just a competition to see who can cheat the hardest. Channel fireball people just have a reputation for not covering that up well.

>>51932471

This is an exaggeration, but some CFB guys have been connected to some pretty scummy behavior in the past. Who remembers when Eric Froehlich wrote an article bashing his GP opponent for not conceding to him so he could make the top 8?

>>51931608

>Be told Goyf is seeing less play
>FUCK YOU SHOW ME ONE DECK WHERE HE WASN'T PLAYED
>Get shown a 5-0 legacy deck where he isn't played
>LOL FUCK YOU HE'S IN 84% OF DECKS

Wew, lad. Wew.

>>51932555
The guy in question was literally banned from dci play for a time because he was caught cheating

>>51932819
No. It is you who is wew. kys

>>51932842

what an ebin comeback, my friend. You certainly don't sound butthurt at all.

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What christmas land cards do you want in the set based on what we know, but you know they won't include?

I just want to run a big fat Dragon Tribal commander deck, no bully

>>51932860
I'm not even that guy. You're just a moron. I have no stake in whatever autism you two are on about

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>>51932862
He Who Is Most Attuned to the Memes will never actually take wing again... but I can dream.

>>51932891

>not even that guy
>autism

uh huh.

>>51932956
Why dosent Storm crow have Storm?

>>51932949
Red ones go fast!

>>51932979
We can't trigger Maro THAT much...

>>51929432
No the secondary market is the reason modern is dying and to an extent compeitive magic.

>>51932862
Broodmother Dragon, stormbreath Dragon, utvara hellkite, thundermaw Dragon, balefire Dragon.

I just want to upgrade my dragon edh dir little money.

>>51932862

I feel you, anon.

>>51933041
For*

>>51933041
At least Balefire and Utvara are in innistrad and rtr, sets they wanted to focus on in mm3.

>>51929274
It's a sort of legal way of thinning your deck by one card.

>>51931569
I honestly wouldn't mind that.

>>51931671
>thinks dredge has been a deck since 2014

>>51932862
Nigger, just play Scion of the Ur Dragon. He's better for tribal, and he can do some neat recursion with Bladewing and Teneb.

>>51933105
Fuck off

>>51929296
It's rare, not mythic rare.

>>51930981
Doesn't the Bant angel kind of go against the populate theme? I still can't fathom why she's in the set let alone on the packs.

Also, I hope they reprint some spicy Elf cards for the green go-wide theme. Mainly Nettle Sentinel.

>>51930156
Just so you know, fuckface, mythic rarity is a BAD thing.

>>51931569
What the fuck why is it 40 dollars

>>51930031
Domri Rade is already confirmed

>>51932949
Should I care about this at all? Should I be disappointed that this isn't Rabblemaster?

>>51933230
You're an idiot. He knows that.
>fuckface

>>51933105
When will this meme die? The statistical advantage gained by fetching is miniscule, and isn't any of the reasons people play fetches.

>>51933237
>5 dollars
Too high, we gotta get that lower m8

>>51930148
I wish they just reprinted the gp art

>>51933207
So what? Prices will drop a bit but in a year they will be higher than what they are now unless this is printed heavily.

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>>51932862
This dude. Just such a weird, unique card, and actually good too. And hey, they reprinted Damnation, so Time Spiral block is on the table.

>>51933252
>The statistical advantage gained by fetching is miniscule
That depends on a number of factors. The more of your deck you plan on seeing, the more relevant it is. If Storm wants to burn through its library, then every fetch you've cracked is basically another live card in your hand.

>>51933280
On mobile so I can't look it up, bit math has been done on this subject, and in a 60 card deck, you have to fetch 8 times to virtually draw one card. That is the definition of a miniscule advantage. Fetches are good for so many reasons that it blows my mind people are still regurgitating this newbie shit.

>>51933264
That's fair
I felt the same way about the Force of Will reprint

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>>51932862
Damnation meme overtook this as the most absurdly expensive card that could have easily been reprinted in duel decks, masters sets, conspiracy, RTR or frankly about 6-7 different sets.

>>51933252
It's miniscule but it matters. If you could run a card that gave you an almost guaranteed spell rather than a land on turn 8 would you? I would.

>>51933277
>Unique card
>Literally a colourshifted Elvish Spirit Guide

>>51933317
If you've cracked 8 fetches then draw X cards where X is the amount left in your library, you've drawn 8 more live cards than you otherwise would've. Stop regurgitating maths you don't understand the point of.

>>51931350
>hating on Rudy
>gives you good deals on booster boxes
>teaches you about investments in both mtg and otherwise
>b-but muh collectorfag.
kill yourself my man

>>51932979
Strictly better version of storm crow that has an ability that puts tokens of the creature onto the battlefield when it's cast equal to storm count

>>51933317
Literally every percentile counts you fucking faggot. Fuck I hate people that are like "Well the effect is minuscule so who cares?" Add 30 minuscule effects together and it's the difference between a win and a loss. You're a cuck and a bad player and your mother never loved you.

>>51933334
I think the dedicated millfags have waited long enough for this reprint.

>>51933334
>reprinting Glimpse in any set made for drafting
fucking kill me now,

>>51933252
It matters in puresteel combo

>>51933350
You lost almost half of your life in the process though

Talk me into canceling my preorder.

>>51933374
collectorfags are degenerate, but Rudy's okay.

>>51933238
>>51933238
think of it less as a rabblemaster and more of a less effective bitter-blossom in draft as an uncommon

>>51933440
>half your life
>on cracking fetches

>>51933441
Cancel your preorder anon

>>51933441
Zendikar fetches, Damnation, Resto Angel, Goblin Guide, and Snapcaster at rare.

>>51933460
I thought it was 8 fetches to draw a card?

>>51933105
in the vast majority of decks, gaining a minuscle chance of not drawing a land for the price of 1 life isn't worth it.

>>51931799
Not that guy but Pascal's content is impossible to watch because he often misplays and almost never knows what the cards in his own deck do. How he got sponsored I will never know

>>51933441
No matter how much good stuff is in the set, it's literally impossible for a box to have higher estimated value than just buying the individual cards you want.

>>51932391
Didn't that auction turn out to be a scam? Like the highest bid was phony and they never actually sold it?

>>51933590
Would you ever play a 61 card deck if it let you start at 21 life?

>>51933649
most of the time, no

>>51933441
they won't have what you want. Unless you are aiming to play edh or draft prepare for disapointment

>>51933395
Learn to read you fucking faggot, did I ever say that the increased effect is bad? No, you drooling retard, I was saying that the effect is so small as to be a non issue compared to the other advantages like graveyard filling and shuffling on demand, and spouting easily refuted pseudomath just makes you look like a dipshit.

>>51933678
Then what's the problem with playing a 59 card deck at 19 life most of the time?

>>51929977
Reprint at common. Done. It is a psuedo vanilla creature after all

>>51933732
but that's not what's happening dummy.
see >>51933317
>you have to fetch 8 times to virtually draw one card
fetches only draw you a card after you cracked 8 of them. that's 8 life. 8 life for 1 card is never worth it.

>>51929274
It gets duals

>>51933334
>>51933404

Why is mill popular in casual? Why is mill mediocre in Modern? What would make mill good?

I know that mill, unlike burn, can't affect anything except players and is usually slower than burn. I also know that mill can be hosed by Leyline of Sanctity, Dredge, Emrakul, and creature aggro. Sure there's graveyard hate, but it's often too slow or requires good luck, since your best bet is Leyline of the Void or Ravenous Trap, and even then it detooths your alt win con if you're running Jace's Phantasm in a targeted mill deck.

The only consistent upside with mill is that it gets around fogs and lifegain.

>>51933732
You sometimes stabilize at 1 life, which in this case you wouldn't, without relevant increase in consistency/drawing gas.

>>51931789
>destroy the Reserved List
>the one thing holding together consumer confidence in the secondary market
>the secondary market that is keeping the game alive

I don't know about all that, friend.

>>51933832
mill is just bad burn. it's slower and you can't kill creatures with mill spells.
mill is only viable in limited.

>>51933886
If you think the secondary market lives and dies by the value of reserved list cards then you are dumber than you look

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>>51933886

So how much is the markup on the set. And how limited is the print going to be. Because we know this isn't a set for "fixing the supply".

>>51933886
the majority of eternal players would happily trade the value of their cards for more people to play with.
only a tiny minority defends the reserved list.

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>2010+7
>WotC is still not following the superior reprint policy
Imagine if Modern Masters wasn't "built" for drafting and only contained format/archetypes staples and card in need of reprinting, all downshifted in rarity by one level

>>51933817
That anon is wrong; no amount of cracking fetches will net you a card. The point of fetches is to increase the odds of drawing something useful instead of flooding out. It's comparable to a scry effect.

Think of the Fetchlands as being Temples, but they come in untapped if you pay a life (I.E. incredibly broken).

>>51933974
Then people would buy it, and we can't have that now can we?

>>51933886
>>51933973
Add to this, the tiny majority of people who care about the reserve list in "pls no kill", are people who barely play anymore, if at all, and just keep those cards for MUH VALUE. They're not players, they're not contributing to the game. Fuck them.

>>51933974
>Imagine instead of limited runs, you could always order a booster box of any series and they'd be delivered quarterly or something.

>>51932949
>yfw 4 possible goblins per turn

Mama mia!

>>51933974
why the fuck was it ever built for drafting anyway? it's idiotic

>>51933991
it's in no way comparable to a scry effect. using fetchlands for deck thinning is never worth the life you are paying to use them.

>>51934015
We don't know and they don't either

>>51933974
>superior reprint policy
>from a game with design policy that is literally "print the most broken shit possible at infinity ghost rarity and push it to be the top deck for 2 months, and then Ban everything that makes it work until it's crippled. Then Repeat."
But I can't argue they don't reprint that shit

>>51933930
But I just said that! I was hoping you could give other answers to my 2nd question.

How do we make mill better without making it op?

>>51934098
Well they make more money than Wizards do. Hell, Pokemon pulls in more money than Magic, and that game is a laughing stock. It's like Wizards wants their game to be the new beanie babies, except they haven't a fucking clue.

>>51934098
I'm just talking about their reprint policy, I didn't deny that Konami suceeded in being worse than Wizards at creating new expansions for their game

>>51934040
It is worth it when you stick it to a color-fixing land, though.

>>51934272
but then you are using fetches for their intended purpose, not for deck thinning.

>>51934111
print better mill cards

>>51934307
No, they use them for both. That's why they're good cards.

>>51934391
>this is what thinningfags actually believe

>>51929134
MaRo's gonna freak

>>51933886
>>the secondary market that is keeping the game alive
The secondy market couldn't matter less chum

>>51934487

Eh... isn't the secondary market what a ton of game stores make their money on, even just the Mom and Pop ones? And completely destroying their singles in value would be a big hit for them, maybe even enough to lose the business.

>>51934111
Either make mill into exile cards (but that'd probably be too strong).
Or more pressure cards, stuff like "whenever an opponent cast a spell, he mill X cards"

>>51934111
Make mill better by emphasizing cards that mill, and do something else. You can't just run cards like Mind Sculpt and Tome Scour like you're some bad burn deck. You have to use cards that mill, along with doing other things.
Psychic Strike is a good example of this; it's a counter spell that mills your opponent a bit. It's a shitty card, but it's well designed.

If WotC printed more mill cards like that, as well as mill cards that milled consistently instead of all at once (Sphinxes Tutelage as an example), mill could become a viable archetype.

>>51933832
>What would make mill good?


You just need to do the math. A premier burn spell does 3 damage for 1 mana, or 3/20ths the opponent's starting life total, or exactly 15%.

A good mill spell should mill a comparable number of cards (without having to rely on janky conditions like Archive Trap). Your average deck has 60 cards, but that doesn't include opening hands, so most libraries will contain 53 cards at the start of the game barring mulligans. 53 X .15 = 7.95 or 8 cards rounded up. None of this takes into account the cards your opponent removes on their own via drawing them, so you can probably make a case for milling 7 cards instead of 8. You'd need a bunch of 1 mana instants and sorceries that milled roughly 7 cards out of your opponent's library for it to be a comparable strategy to burning them out.

But WAIT, Burn can also kill creatures with most of their spells to stay alive or shut down creature-based combo. So now we need to add a creature removal modal option to our 1-mana Mill 7 spells so our deck has resiliency. Never mind the fact that this would violate the fuck out of the color pie since mill is predominantly Blue.

So we need 3 or 4 different instants and sorceries that mill 7 or deal 3 damage to target creature all for the mana cost of U.

Looking pretty balanced over here senpai.

>>51934581
I'm sort of friends with the owner of my lgs I could ask him.

Secondary market mattered more when the game was smaller and most of the worth was the people who were worried their cardboard was gonna be worth less.

They're still around except they're completely irrelevant now, yet they still have the reserved list around for whatever reason.

It hasn't mattered for well over a decade.

Also, though they've somewhat fixed it, the original criteria for the reserved list was retarded as fuck

>>51934597
It needs to run exile cards that take slots away from milling or it just hands games to reanimator/dredge/etc. It's just a janky, slow way to win through Burn (but where you set the opponent's life total at around 50) or runs kind of busted stuff like RIP Helm where bizarre interactions just win you the game on the spot.

>>51934697
Helm is combo, not mill.

>>51930282
>>51930256

Both arts are great though

>>51933232

Legends Rare + Reserve List = Expensive

If the card is actually good, multiply by 5.

>>51934718
But that's the point. Combos like that or Painter's Servant + Grindstone are the ways to make mill good. Otherwise you're deliberately making things difficult for yourself by playing an inefficient strategy for the sake of it. All that can really improve it are the same cards we've seen but they mill X more cards and probably cost 2x as much mana.

>>51934433
I would like to show you a video, because I think it shows just the value thinning has on your deck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE2LNWCpooY

What I want you to notice is that decks that operate at wildly different speeds still have comparable land counts (so it seems). The average deck has 24 lands, while Midrange decks are most successful at 22 lands, and Burn operates comfortably at 20 lands.
In short, the difference between a control deck and an aggro deck is only 4 lands.

This, by the way, is why topdeck wars are a thing. When you're playing a slow control deck, and you already have 4 or 5 lands in play, you're operating at the same land ratio of Burn. With 6 or 7 lands, you're drawing threats at the same speed of Affinity and and BR reanimator.

Except, of course, if you're using Fetchlands. Then you're going even faster.

If you've cracked 2 Fetches by turn 2, you are officially as fast as Mono-Red Burn with a control deck. And you're getting all that benefit without any of the pitfalls associated with faster decks, like being stuck on one land far too often.

This is why even some monocolor decks use Fetchlands: it helps them win significantly faster, before the life they lost by cracking the Fetch bites them in the ass.

>>51934643
but then you take limited into account and remember that libraries have 40 cards in limited and you realize that 1 cmc mill 7 would be insanely broken.

balancing mill isn't that easy.

>>51934963
True enough, though my post was more a long-winded way of saying mill will never be a competitive strategy. Though you could skirt the limited issue by making all the mill cards mythic, but then that opens up another can of worms.

>>51934953
>before the life they lost by cracking the Fetch bites them in the ass.
that doesn't happen though. the life loss will bite you in the ass hard if you are only using fetches for thinning. in a competitive match, every point of life matters. most monocolor decks that use fetches have uses for them other then thinning.

>>51935055
Maybe they could print all the cool mill cards in something like a Commander deck or something, where limited rarity isn't important.

>>51934335
Like what?

>Enchantment1
1U
Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, its controller puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.

>Creature1
1U
Defender
T: Each opponent puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, untap Creature1.
0/3

Creature2
If two or more cards would be put from a player's library into their graveyard, you may exile up to half of them rounded down.
2U: Target player puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.
1/2

Instant1
1U
Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Its controller puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.

Instant2
1U
Choose one:
-Attacking creatures get -2/-0 until end of turn. -Target opponent puts the top 7 cards of their library into their graveyard.

Enchantment2
UB
Whenever a land enters the battlefield under an opponent's control, that player exiles the top two cards of their graveyard.

Instant3
2U
Escalate U
Choose one:
-Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand
-Target player puts the top six cards of their library into their graveyard.
-Draw a card. Scry 1

>>51935214
He said better cards.

>>51935090
>in a competitive match, every point of life matters
No, every _turn_ matters. In a competitive match, life only matters for the slower deck. For the faster deck, life is pointless. That is why people play Fetches: it makes them faster, and life only matters on your last turn.

Even against decks like Burn or Aggro decks, it is more beneficial to play Fetches than it is not to play Fetches. This is because the life you keep by not playing fetches isn't worth the speed advantage that your opponent has over you in that situation.

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>>51929134
HOLY SHIT, never thought I'd see the day.

Goyf, Bob, and Snappy at rare WHEN?

>>51935214
m8, no offense but those cards are shit.

>>51934953
I don't get what you're saying... how does fetches make you go "faster"?