White Dwarf just fell through the letter box, lads. Gathering

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>>51927470
>this thread
>at 4:44 AM where I am

I-I didn't need to sleep anyway!

Thanks though

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>>51927473
Is it me, or the standard bearer is a new model?

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>>51927519

I hope his helmet is marine sized so I can steal it for a regular marine

>>51927527

And that's all folks, for the Gathering Storm section anyway

>>51927503
Bullshit they looked at the 30k model. That shit looked Roman As fuck, and fitted the whole statseman-warrior thing guilliman has. This shit is Magnus' spare armour. Hell it even sounds like a Tzeentchean artifact "Armour of Fates"

>>51927506

It is one of Calgar's Honour Guard, he's been around for a long time.

>>51927553
Wasn't sure, and if I'm very honest, I was too lazy to check.

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>>51927484
>"Thank you, my Emperor. He is a blessing we do not deserve."
spiritual liege is going to save the day and I love it

All this stuff with Rowboat is whatever.

But I love that he apparently knows enough to know to respect Cypher, and not fuck with people who actually matter.

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There we go.
At least now the shitposting can stop.

>>51927499
>to save the Imperium
>Guilliman was really the only contender

All other Primarchs BTFO

>>51927696

Yeah, they did so much job for the overall imperium aside from killing heretics, right?

...Right?

>>51927675

WAIT! Is there anything regarding age of sigmar? What will we get this march?

>>51927741
More Stormcast, More Stormcast, MORE STORMCAST!!!

Don't you love Stormcast? Boy I sure do love the Stormcast, have you bought more Stormcast?

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>Magnus jobs again

>>51927758
Oh shut up, you little faggot. We got one release last year and another one this year. 40k gets, what? 3-4 releases of power armor a year? Cut the crap will you? That was a legit question on whether we get steamheads.

>>51927470
Are there any rules for "The fallen" kinda like the bial tan eldar?

>>51927767
Conservation of Primarchs.

As the sole remaining active primarch involved in Imperial matters, he will always win.

Unless it was Just as Planned.

>>51927782
fuck if sigmarpussy

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>>51927782
At least you're getting releases.

>>51927801
I play ironjawz, you twerp, and even then I don't mind the stormcasts getting a release. But I guess that's a level of brain power your marineturd mind cannot even come close to grasp.

>>51927767
good

>>51927827
I... don't really play stormcasts. I play Ironjawz (though those chocobos seem too tempting).

>>51927828
I play chaos, we have only had 1kshites with arse rules of late, so dont preach to me

>>51927473
>Age of Guilliman approaching

>>51927841

>Plays a bunch of emo kids with daddy issues and saturday morning cartoon villains.
>Expects sympathy/people to shut up.

LMAO.

>>51927841
>He says after Legion rules came out and made Iron Warriors and Death Guard damn good.

>>51927854
read
>>51927675
then KYS.

>>51927827
Hey, you're getting a DLC in TW and you're Duncan's favorite army so don't complain.

>>51927894
The only hope is that their return is going to be a glorious event, and that the new models will end world suffering.

>>51927868
not saying our rules didnt get a well needed buff, but the only lot to get new models is 2kshits

>>51927890
>litterally telling you that guillman is going to do a lot of changes

>>51927890
Because GW have never lied before...

>>51927890
>He believe what WD say.
Next what, looking for WMD in Sweden?

>>51927918
I would most definitely love some plastic modern Brettonians, but I fear their aesthetic doesn't fit AoS.

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>>51927503
can I just say I'm really fucking looking forward to more art with this helmet in it

it takes the armour from fucking dumb gaudy shit to fucking awesome dumb gaudy shit

>>51927470

Yo WD anon, you got upcoming releases and pricing?

>>51927926
Age of Sigmar was shit because it made the factions of the Old World into barely appearing, let alone relevant factors in the new verse, the status quo changing can be super radical but still have every faction remain intact and be relevant.

Call me when Guilliman creates some new mass-produced super astartes that make all other Imperial armies irrelevant and then we'll talk.

>>51927519
ITS OVER MAGNUS! I HAVE GROUND!

>>51927499
Sanguinius and Fulgrim BTFO - Bobby is sexiest primarch.

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>>51927973

Not included this weeks preorders

>>51928021
>Sanguinius and Fulgrim BTFO - Bobby is sexiest primarch.
roboute, rogal and ferrus are the real contenders when talking about sexiest primarchs

>>51928039
I huess the DW upgrade pack is the small sprue that is in all DW boxes? Helmets, pauldrons and bits?

Those Tartaros and mk3 prices are as prohibitive as the BoP kits in singlr boxes though. I'll stick to ebay if I need some more.

>>51928061

Re: DW . Yes.

re: Tartaros and MK3 - buyer beware... prices ALWAYS increase on eBay when they are available as single box squads.

Buy sooner rather than later.

>>51928039

Thanks.

>Independent Genestealer upgrade kits

Nice! Now I can outfit my sentinels with icons without needing to buy crappy plastic Cadian neophytes.

>Tartaros

May or may not grab a set of those just because I love terminators.

Wonder why they aren't independently selling Custodes and SoS yet.

>>51928066
Motherfucker. I was hoping I could still get 5 tartaros for 25 euros.

Oh well, if push comes to shove, I'll buy an actual BoP box, I'll save a lot of money this way. Won't be before long though, I have 60 marines and 15 terminators of different maeks and pattern already.

>>51928083

>Custodes and SoS yet.

they will, they were just squeezing the last dregs of people buying Prospero just for them.

>>51927484
Saint Celestine is CUTE!

>>51928083
>Wonder why they aren't independently selling Custodes and SoS yet.
because spreading the releases out ensures they continue to make mad bank on BoP sets

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>>51927675
Welp, I'm using "Age of Guilliman" as a symbol of huge changes in rules, don't really give a shit about lore. If we will se a "sigmarification" of rules like keywords, free rules etc., then Age of Guilliman happened for me

>>51928039
are those all the items shown in the new WD, or are there some of the feb ones?

>>51928127

Those are all in the WD that arrived today

>>51928039
Huh. $90 for Guilliman, Cypher, and that Grey Knight actually sounds kinda decent.

So does this mean Celestine loses her Rosarius as she gives it to Ghouliman?

>>51928012
>but still have every faction remain intact and be relevant.

>implying normal eldar will now be relevant with the ynnari to flesh out taking protagonist role
>implying the imperial guard didn't lose its last shred of relevance with cadia
>implying the necrons are relevant when they barely did anything while abbadon asspulled their anti-chaos tech out of the galaxy
>implying there're relevant imperial factions that aren't space marines

if you want super astartes just wait for the custodes to become active in the galaxy and the ultramarines release that will come with the next edition.

>>51928135
are you implying there is a buttload of more items to come yet not revealed from the new WD oO

>>51928187

What? No mate... all of March's releases are in that picture. From the new WD...

>>51928061
Generally how much you save from ebay?

>>51928204
for a moment I thought you mean all of that was coming this week only -.-

>>51927890
Dude chill out, I wasnt serious

>>51928217

No fella, release dates are above each item available for order.

>>51928204
No, new monthly WD shows only pre-orders up to mid-month.

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>>51927470
Someone should add his first quote from Rogue Trader to 1d4chan.

>>51928233

Right, well ok, everything in the WD is in that picture with the dates available

>>51928236

>Robert

>>51928248
Yes, I just wanted to be precise.
Thank you for the pictures.

>>51927519
They look like they're going to hold hands.

>BROTHER! THE IMPERIUM MAY BE IN RUIN, BUT SO IS THIS EAGLE AT MY FEET; LEND ME A HAND SO THAT I CAN DESCEND FROM THE CRUMBLING STATUE IN SAFETY!

>>51928276

He prefers Bobby

>>51928233
does that mean april's issue will show the prices of late march and mid april?

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>>51927519
>But Guilliman always has a plan
Guilliman is Tzeentch?

>>51928279

No problems, glad everyone enjoyed... or not as the case may be!

>>51928350
tzeentch aspires to the greatness of guilliman's legacy

this is why his soldiers (the thousand sons) are codex compliant (there's a thousand of them) and in blue+gold

>>51928212
Between 10 and 20 euros per kit.

I didn't buy a BoP box actually, since the characters, SoS and Custodes were of no interest to me.
For 30 marines and 10 Tartaros, I paid something like 70 euros IIRC.

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>>51927473
What's up with this guy's hair?

>>51928387

Thank. Sadly in my country Ebay isn't much affordable or cheap(nearly same prices than official GW seller)

>>51927470
ty based anon

>>51928231
do you know if the new WD shows some of the new stormcast model from this month?

>>51927473
>Eldar ... far-sighted.
Is this a joke?

So will Row-boat be the only Loyalist Primarch to return?

>>51928673
Not this Anon but I think we saw all SCE release already

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>sisters finally get a new model
>ward comes back to gw
>new sisters models killed off in lore and turned into buff clothing for ward's favourite marine

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>51927519
Quick someone pick a good "the brothers duel" sound track for this.

>>51928701
>SCE
it's so weird the new WD doesn't show more of march, when feb showed every release coming for that month

>>51927767
At least this time he's being beaten by a peer, rather than a Spess Wuff with a Khornate axe.

Or a brand new Spess Wuff tossing a spear through his eye.

>>51927470
The only thing that would redeem this clusterfuck for me would be Rowboat getting trialed and killed off for speaking heresy.

>>51928039
$150 dollary-dos.
Personally I need more than just "it's a primarch back!" to drop that kind of coin on 3 models. We'll see once we get the rules, I guess.

>>51928865

2nd edition is over there dickfag

I have just heard spiritual liege is the new emperor. Anyone can confirm?

>>51928880
if you're interested in only the grey knight and cypher, chances are you can ebay them for cheap a week or two after release

>>51928673

The SCE is available on GW.com

>>51928905

read the pic faggot

>>51928889
What, you'd rather have the Imperium become enlightened and turn into the Halo guys?

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>>51928865

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>>51928971
Stellar argument there, anon.

>>51927470
Beyond his cannon being ap 3, did we get any hints to his rules?

>>51927767
>Magnus
>One of, if not the, most powerful Primarch
>Magical bullshit powers out the wazoo
>And that was BEFORE he got a Tzeentch-powered mario mushroom
>Loses to an adminmonkey paperwork dude with Downs syndrome

Fucking dammit GW. Every goddamn time.

>>51928718
https://youtu.be/OW4zQiyA5vI

>>51929046
>but muh powerlevels
out fucking skilled, magnus

>>51927503
>Guilliman is not just the leader of the Ultramarines now, but the whole Imperium

Ward haters #rekt

>>51929046
>TS babies whining AGAIN

>>51927675
I don't think most people use End Times to mean that game is ending but that the setting is gonna get massive changes, just like Warhammer did with the End Times books.

>>51928718
https://youtu.be/nDtj-2qnTXk
>You've been in a come for quite some time. I am afraid it's been 9000 years.

>>51928114
>>51929404
This

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>>51929508
>You're a legend in the eyes of those who live on the battlefield. That's why you have to handle this mission yourself. How and where you make it, well that's up to you. Now go! Let the legend come back to life.

I wan't MGSposting to stay. He's even got a bionic-ish left hand.

>>51927728
Some did, Vulkan was helpful.

>>51929046
There is nothing stained more with foul chaos then the administratium's filing system. That paper monkey has the experience to work for the grey knights.

>>51927473
>And above all, more deadly than any other foe, the forces of Chaos

Why do they continue to do this? Justify this, /tg/.

>>51929579
interestingly enough most administratum clerks are actually schola-trained, which means they're more elite fighters than most guard units

>>51927503
That....that cannon should be at the side of the forearm. Damn thing will just blow off his fingers....

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>>51929541
>I did not choose to be Quiet. I wanted to express my feelings to you. If only we shared a common tongue. Vengeance is what drove me to them... The only language left to me, revenge. But the words we shared... No, that was no language at all. That is why... I chose the language of gratitude instead, and go back to silence. I am Quiet... I am... The absence of words.

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>>51928143
>buying at full gw prices

>>51927519
The Chaos Gods don't see Girlyman as threat. Wardfags BTFO.

>>51929583

Because as a concept it's correct.

The Forces of Chaos, the Great enemy, the Dark Gods are a force that threaten to sweep all before them, enslaving mankind for eternity.

but in the fluff and books? They're jobbing cunts.

Abaddon failed every crusade... whooops! Retcon, every Crusade was an overwhelming success... whoops! Every Crusade was really secret plan to blow up Pylons. Daemon Primarchs jobbing at every opportunity, never winning. o

You can't constantly write about the Galaxy's more dire foe... then expect people to take the Benny Hill of villains to be taken seriously...

>>51927696
Russ would wolf his wolf at the wolfing wolves across the Wolfpackium of Wolf until he finally wolfed it.

Lion would probably just shoot himself if he woke up and saw what was going on. The inquisition definitely won't let him build his gay night club.

Vulkan would just die again.

>>51929653
My LGS was one of the first stores outside the UK to carry GW product. They recently started giving 20% off GW because it's simply not viable at standard price.

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>>51929644
Nah it'd be yvraine considering she's the one helping bring him back from the dead. Alternatively celestine or greyfax though I doubt either of them have much to do with the whole revival process

now where's my titan gear ultramanthopus, magos emmerich

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>>51929747

Your LGS was selling GW at RRP?

>>51927945
>Shining knight, showing proudly their heraldy and making the demons deep troath their swords.

Come on, it could be awesome.

>>51927675
He is talking about Return of the Primarch only. Notice the wording. God you are stupid.

We see have 2 years worth of story after that.

>>51929730
>Abaddon failed every crusade... whooops! Retcon, every Crusade was an overwhelming success... whoops! Every Crusade was really secret plan to blow up Pylons. Daemon Primarchs jobbing at every opportunity, never winning. o

Dude, stop. We have been over this. There has been no retcon and the crusades weren't failure in the old or new fluff. Anon please, you don't know what the word retcon means.

>>51929755
She is called Silence too though, and there was /tg's pairing of Guilliman x Jain Zar long before GW brought him back.

>>51929046
>most powerful.
>always depicted as the weakest of them.
>but my Psyker powers
>strap a celuxes assassin to any other primarch back and watch him beat the shit outta him.

Right mate.

>>51929811
Umm I hate to point it out but there has been some retcons.

Over the course of 40ks life time the 13th black crusade has happened like...3 times already, GW just keeps winding back the clock.

Taking into account that the half life of DNA is less than a millenium, how can geneseeds, some marines survive (dreadnoughts) and this fella >>51929755 for that long?

>>51929919
magic

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>>51929583

>the deluded xenosfags continue the meme of nids/orks/necrons being the real big bads of 40k instead of chaos

why do they continue to do this? Justify this, /tg/

>>51929919
Your looking way to deep into it.

>magic
>faith
>medical science that keep the cells for decaying
>plot armor
Take your pick, besides even normal humans in 40k can live a few 100 years via medial advancements

>>51929919

It's Dark age of Technology gubbins, we don't gotta explain shit.

>>51929892
The only thing you can call a retcon is EoT which ended with a Chaos victory.

As for the rest of crusades before it, they weren't retconned. You are confusing fluff expansion with a retcon. The previous crusade had little fluff before, GW just continued to add more fluff and explore each crusade as the editions rolled by.

>>51929938
Because Chaos is boring?
Anyone finds it funny that the Tau were mentioned in the same breath as Tyranids and Necrons in that text?

>>51929966
No man they out right retconed it. GE ran a campaign that finished with chaos winning ground and imperial winning the space battle, but GW did not like it because it basically left them in a stale mate so they back tracked and said abandon was preparing for the 13th black crusade here check it out under the 13th black crusade. They out right retconed it.

https. 1d4chan.org/wiki/Black_Crusade

I'm just taking about the 13th not in reference to the other 12. Those did not get canned just the original outcome of 13 got canned or rewinded/this is not the end of the 13th crusade muhahahaha

>>51929251
>>51929233
>>51929863
I collect Eldar, I just think Magnus has one of the most interesting, tragic and appealing backstories. Certainly way better than Gillyweed's. And he's notorious for being fuckhueg, even for a Primarch. Lorgar was the worst fighter, Alpharius/Omegon were the manlets. Also,
>Magnus drops a brick on the Culexus from outside it's sphere of influence, proceeds to wreck the face of whoever is attacking him besides maybe Russ

>>51930029
Oh yeah I agree Magnus has one of the best stories but he is not the strongest by any means.

Can't target the celuxes with Pykers friend :3

>>51930025
Urggghh....newfag. EoT as in the Eye of Terror Global Campaign is the thing you are talking about and it's the only retcon.

>>51929919
Space bullshit magic, in real life hydras and certain medusae are immortal, in 40k Eldrad and Urien Rakarth are over 10000 years.

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>>51929989

Who is looking forward to Guilliman's first encounter with Shadowsun/Farsight and finding his tactics, ploys, and stratagems countered, reversed and foiled by the willy Tau commanders? Oh boy, I can't wait to read about how Guilliman's armies are ambushed again and again and again. Maybe THAT scene will occur, where Guilliman throws the codex out the window because he knows the Tau read his book.

>>51930058
Yeah, so you can't say, they did not retcon the 13th because the EoT campaign was the original outcome.

Brah I'm agreeing that the other crusades happened, but the 13th was retconned and rebooted at least once.

>>51930075
Eldar aren't human, are they even carbon based? maybe their DNA has other molecules with higher half life.

As for medusas they clone themselves, but you don't see a space marine cloning itself and then dying but remaining alive in his clone...do we?

>>51930141
You said Crusades, not a crusade. And you said three retconned times. Dude, you simply wrong. Just leave it at that.

>>51930050
Magnus has been shown to be able to use his powers even in the presence of Pariahs. I'm saying he'd levitate a brick, shoot it at the Culexus real fuckin quick and let momentum take care of the rest. Though I admit, I haven't read all of the fluff regarding him and the other Primarchs. The series is good, but not "I want to read 40 books worth of this shit" levels of good. Where does it say that he's one of the weakest without his powers? Because I'd love to read about Magnus with little/no warp access, having to rely on his wits and his strength to survive.

>>51930173
>Eldar aren't human, are they even carbon based? maybe their DNA has other molecules with higher half life.

They can interbreed with humans. So they are genetically similar to humans.

>>51930203
Not in any modern fluff.

So Age of "everyone who isn't Ultramarines cocksucker are irrelevant" is upon us?

>>51930187
Ok now we are arguing over semantics.

Fact is the 13th black crusade did get retcons and has been in limbo for like a decade.

If you wanna get this bent outta shape over plastic men be my guest man just know you are wrong I am right.
>>51930199
Checked first of all, theoughout the many books and lore, he was the smallest of the primarchs iirc and over all he did not have the physical prowess of the others but he was one of the smartest, intellectually that is.

Do what I do, just listen to the books off of totally lagit sources <.< he always had and did use the warp even after the decree that said he could not, it did not stop him. With powers he was very formidable.

>>51927519

>Guilliman: if you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than your masters.

>>51930203
Retconned

>>51930245
This is right.
>>51930203
This is like 3rd ed fluff
>>51930255
What it's looking like, which sucks as a dark Angels player, I'm already getting my chaos symbols ready

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>>51930258
>he was the smallest of the primarchs iirc
He was actually the biggest...

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>>51927503
>sword only ignites when wielded by the righteous
Emperor confirmed for being Our Valiant King once again

>>51930258

Not semantics. Lets see your original post.

>Abaddon failed every crusade... whooops! Retcon, every Crusade was an overwhelming success... whoops! Every Crusade was really secret plan to blow up Pylons. Daemon Primarchs jobbing at every opportunity, never winning. o

This is simply wrong.

The other post >>51929892

>some retcons.
>3 times already

Also wrong.

>>51930276
>>51930275
>>51930245
Find me fluff that says Eldar and humans stopped interbreeding. You can't.

Checkmate

>>51930275

Until 8th edition or the later supplements, Xenology is getting outdated

>>51930029
>I just think Magnus has one of the most interesting, tragic and appealing backstories
I think his backstory makes him seem like an overblown, arrogant brat. And a story with a character like that getting seven shades of shit kicked out of themselves is always good.

I hope if they bring in daemon mortarion he first suplexes magnus before getting to work on the imperials.

>>51930278
I always heard him regarded as the smallest? I'm like half way through HH

>>51930324
What no lol wrong post that's not my post lol check IDs haha

I said there were like 3 retcons, the space battle the ground battle and the over all outcome of EoT, your getting 2 people messed up and confused my dude. Lol I never said the other ones were a failure.

FUCK

GODDAM ULTRAFAGS GET TO SEE THEIR PRIMARCH RETURN AND THEY STRAIGHT UP TELL US THAT WE AREN'T GETTING OURS.

THEY WENT WITH THE STUPID 'he is healing and has healed' LINE THAN 'Lion comes back and redeems the Dark Angels' or 'Leman rips his way out of the warp and shows chaos who is boss'

FUCK FUCK FUCK GW FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Sick model and a good move on the story though, I'm glad to see that they are re-assuring the fanbase (for the 40'000th time) that Warhammer 40k will continue to be unmolested like fantasy was

>>51930050
>he is not the strongest by any means
>casually obliterates entire fleets

Uhh?

>>51930354
(You)

>>51930401
You're reading wrong. A thousand sons specifically states that he's easily the largest of all the primarchs, I think the only one that even comes close is vulkan, and even then he's like a head and a half taller than him.

>>51930255
How do you figure?
Seems like Guilliman won't be leading the Ultramarines, but the Imperium as a whole.

>>51930428

look at FB

GW is throwing at us that LUTHER WAS RIGHT AND THE LION WAS A TRAITOR!

>>51930471

That has always been the case you silly DAfag

>>51930354
>Mor "one punch" tarion
>Doing anything

lel

>>51930439
I'm talking with out powers just brute strength.

>>51930471
MOTHER FUCKER

WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO MY CHAPTER

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Really though, what's gonna happen? Are we gonna have a loyalist/heretic schism in the angels again?

>>51930401
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Magnus_the_Red
>A giant in both physical and mental terms whilst still an inhabitant of the Materium

>>51927473
...What's Cypher doing there?

>>51930506
I know that feel I'm already painting fallen to prepare

>>51930508
Well I was wrong my bad I had always regular see him as the weakest physical primarch.

You sir are correct

>>51930428
>THEY STRAIGHT UP TELL US THAT WE AREN'T GETTING OURS.

They never said that.
You should be thankful, individual primarchs will now get to return and make a mark on the story instead of them all blowing their load at the same time.

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>>51929046
How's your back, you chicken legged NERD?

>>51930496
>magnus could never lose to the space wolves!
>magnus could never lose to the ultramarines!
It's gonna happen. Remember nurgle and tzeentch are diametrically opposed.

>>51930401
Magnus, like Big E, is always descrbed as having very changeableappearance, with his "standart" form being the tallest of all the primarchs.

>>51930528
Weakest is Lorgar, smallest is Alpharius.

>>51930533
>>magnus could never lose to the space wolves!
>>magnus could never lose to the ultramarines!

Said no one ever.
Magnus has a history of losing to the Space Wolves and the Ultramarines can do anything better.
Meanwhile Mortarion is a loser.

>>51930471
What? Link/pic?

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>>51930567

>>51930078
Plot armour of a Primarch vs. Plot armour of the Tau?

Fuck. I want to see that.

>>51930532
Better than your stubby arms, furry boy.

>>51930558
>Meanwhile Mortarion is a loser.
and magnus isn't? gotta start the comeback tour by beating up someone on the same level

all in all there is only one person I want to come back...

My nigga, ancient rylanor, GOT RULES!!! Until he dies in screen he is not dead! He's gonna come back and make the emperors children great again!

>>51930532
Well it doesn't have wolf cum on it for one thing.

>>51930528
>>A giant in both physical and mental terms whilst still an inhabitant of the Materium
Magnus one-shoted a Eldar titan with a psych blast; by sheer power, he is probably the strongest primarch.

>>51930598
>and magnus isn't?

Not close to the same degree.
You can tell people actually like Magnus, hence why he is overloaded with pathos.
Mortarions meanwhile is always just some smelly autist.

You may or may not believe me but i was told in a GW store on Saturday that the 40k update will take place in June and be called Age of the Primarchs. Shit you not.

>>51930654
Boy you best be fucking trolling

I'm gonna be that pissed too is DA turn and I gotta paint them all black again.

>>51930643
>people actually like Magnus
nah, only smelly autists like magnus

>>51929950
>plot armour
Ftfy you colonial wanker

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>>51930654

>Age of fuck anyone who doesn't play SM or CSM

>>51930663
Wish i was lad. I'm hoping he was winding me up but knowing GW i doubt it.

>>51930654
I've long since stopped giving a flying fuck about the lore, but hot damn, that'd be hilarious to see.

>>51930401
Alpharius and omegon is the smallest, barely bigger than a standard tactical marine which he they use to the advantage quite often

>>51927675
>All those factions confirmed
>Tyranids not mentioned

I guess that's that.

>>51927795
This...is very true, and my greatest fear of Guilliman coming back. Named Space Marine Chapter Masters like Calgar and Dante already basically never lose anything, now that Guilliman's coming back we'll probably never ever see any defeat more poignant than; 'yes you destroyed my entire army, humiliated me but I got a McGuffin which will matter...one day...I think'

>>51928179
Not to be that guy but...

There was never a relevant Imperial faction but the Space Marines. Flat out there was basically never a relevant 40k faction except for the Space Marines (loyal and traitor flavours).

>>51930278
weren't Vulkan the largest one and Magnus the highest one respectively ?

guys, he's going to free the emprah, isn't he?

>>51928691
I know, right? They literally have the worst track record with predictions of any species in the game and GW wants us to buy they're farsighted, fucking stupid.

>>51930768
Whoops I fucked up, thought you were talking about guilliman

>>51930588
Most of the unforgiven were duped by Luther and Luther himself was allegedly cleansed at the end to some extent
Cypher will bring about the reunification of the dark angels and wake the lion up in the next imperial trilogy campaign- likely April to June which is when 8th edition will hit

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>>51930772
if anyone does anything it'll probably be cypher, but who knows after the last two books

>>51930793

There's still magnus prophecy on Wrath book and supplement

Guilliman's awakening will also bring the daemon primarchs back into the fray, including Lorgar who will be royally pissed off in hear that he's back

who could be reedemed in exchange of a loyal brother?

>>51930591
Considering Tau have lost to the Deathwatch before, and the Captain of the 2nd Company of the Ultramarines I'd say even thinking Tau Plot Armour compares to Primarch Plot Armour is pretty ridiculous.

>>51930837
>who could be reedemed in exchange of a loyal brother?
Only real candidate for redemption would be Magnus, Russ could fall in return.
Not gonna happen, due to SW popularty among powergamers and kiddies alike, but it'd br fucking hilarious.

>>51930837
....so what if guys work with me here...

What if the loyalist chapter and the traitor chapter that turn that old read butt is talking about are the 2 missing ones..

Bum BUM BUUUUUUUMMMMM!!!!

>>51930837
>Lorgar who will be royally pissed off in hear that he's back

Why?
Lorgar didn't kill him.
He didn't even hate him by the end.

>>51930837
None of the traitors primarch could be redeemed without some serious asspull, they've all committed so much crimes and atrocities the best that could happen to any of them would be the emperor's mercy

>>51930888
>Only real candidate for redemption would be Magnus

Magnus is the least likely to be redeemed.

>>51930598
All Chaos Primarchs are losers. Between them they have barely ever won any victories of any sort of consequence at all.

>>51930901
I think becuase the word bearers were arch enemies of ultrasmurfs and results in a my dad can beat up your dad fight.

>>51930888
>Only real candidate for redemption would be Magnus
>literally branded with the icon of a chaos god
anyways the obvious answer is omegon, because he's the only one who didn't drink the chaos kool-aid

>>51930913
Other then alpha legion.

But still the ass pull would rival that of the greatest know asspull in a fantasy story ever.

Oblivion's, "The Warp in the West." Hisssss

>>51930915
>Magnus is the least likely to be redeemed.
Based on what exactly?

Because from where I'm standing, he is the only Daemon Primarch who is actually regretful of what happened and his role in it.

>>51930915
>Magnus is the least likely to be redeemed.
>Eldar undoing Rubric
>Janus

>>51930948
>he is the only Daemon Primarch who is actually regretful
no he isn't

>>51930948
>Based on what exactly?

His giant brand new model.
The fact that he's dedicated to one of the Chaos Gods.
The fact he's stated to want to see the whole Imperium burn and recognizes the pointlessness of defying Tzeentch.

>>51930964
You gonna start posting actual arguments anytime soon?

>>51930988
are you? He's never been shown to have any regret post ascension. All he wants to do is turbo-fuck the emperor's shit.

>>51930982
Still the most likely candidate out of the fallen Primarchs, dingus.

>>51930918
Lorgar kinda won. Emperor is treated as a god and Lorgar himself has new gods to worship that recognize him.

>>51930888
Russ will fall, he's an asshole and no longer have any excuses for prospero, him departing from his legion was the best thing that could happen to the SW

>>51931008
except for the one that didn't actually become a daemon prince

>>51930948
Problem is he has fallen to far from grace. Road to hell...

>>51930837
I've read the book there's no prophecy

>>51931005
Magnus fluff for the last decades has literally been him pondering the warp looking for how things could have turned out differently and occasionally screwing with the SW.

99% of any TS activity has been Ahriman and his cabal.

>>51931008
Not at all.
There are actual real life reasons for Magnus to remain traitor.

>>51931021
Nah Russ is to loyal. I think it's just Magnus being a cunt trying to cause problems

>>51931005
In WoM he breifly regreted blowing up Midgaria but he sfitly crushed that guilt and went on to crush Wolves.

And again, Janus, who still bears presumably uncorrupted Shard of Magnus.

>>51931023
Who, Omegon?

>>51931088
yeap

A lion+luther kit and an alpharius+omegon kit would be the least controversial options for GW to take. Lets people play their green/meme marines as loyalist or traitors without the need to finangle shit.

>>51931027
And agin, for the reading comprehension impaired:
He is the MOST LIKELY candidate among the fallen Primarchs. Doesn't mean that its a good idea or should be considered by anyone, just that it makess more sense for hm to be redeemed than the other fucks.

>Second tier redemption possibility
Omegon.

>Second tier redemption possibility
Horus
Curze
Alpharius

>Third tier redemption possibility
Pert
Lorgar
Fulgrim

>Fourth tier redemption possibility
Angron
Mortarion

>Absolutely no redemption tier
Magnus

Second and third tiers can be swapped depending on if you think resurruction or undaemoning is more silly

>>51931013
That's one of the most blatant 'nah I won cause like stuff'

I mean seriously, Traitor Primarchs are jokes. Basically never do anything more than get banished or conquer X planet no-ones ever heard off or anyone even cares about.

>>51931008

What about konrad?

>>51931157
Utterly opposed to anything Rowboat would be workig towards.
Also dead.

>>51931147
>I mean seriously, Traitor Primarchs are jokes.

I think the problem is that they can't be good antagonists because there is (well now: was) no comparable foe on the side of the imperium. A fight with a random chapter master would just not be as "epic" as with another primarch.
Can't even write them as leaders of a proper chaos invasion because Abaddon sits in that spot (a good reason to kill him off / ascend him btw). So they are relegated to the sidelines or go along with their own little plans like Magnus.

And I thought it was Blizzard who have problem with favoritism.

>>51931182
>Implying Konrade "muh visions" Curze isn't going to be brought back from the dead by Ynnead and cleansed of his madness

smdh

>>51931307
That's because the primarchs are part of a grander past, serving to contrats with the clusterfuck of the current situation in 40k, same as pretty much everything in LotR used to be grander.
GW writers used to understand this.

>>51931076
>he breifly regreted blowing up Midgaria
citation needed

>>51927509
>I spent a lot of time chatting with Black Library authors about how to portray Guilliman
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

>>51931146
undaemoning is head and shoulders more silly than resurrection.

>just the same pictures that are leaked everywhere
>no picture of nipple Alarielle from page 143

>>51931395
>The Crimson King found the demise of Midgaria to be endlessly entertaining, a fitting reward for those who venerated the hypocrite Sons of Russ. Deep within his spiteful soul, there was still a part of the Daemon Primarch that found the idea of bringing about Extreminatus a horrifying idea on some level, thought he was well used to quashing such feelings. His actions had caused billions of innocent souls to die in agony, something that the Primarch would once have carried as a mark of shame to his grave. The greater part of Daemon Primarch's being, however, found little more than a swell of satisfaction that the next stage of his plan was complete.

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Looks like another old holywar comming to the end.

>>51931521

Are you serious.

> Endlessly entertaining
> On some level he finds Exterminatus horrifying, learned to stop caring
> Swell of satisfaction where he should have felt shame

That's about as far from regret as you can be, anon.

>>51931521
Cheers. It looks like the whole shards of Magnus thing might actually be creeping into the main narrative.

>>51929938
Because GW has made Chaos into a boring faction by not making it wild and crazy enough.

>>51931573
>being a cherypicking faggot

Honestly, i don't know why i even bothered wasting my time on a obvious wiki-reader.

In the end, Magnus' redemption is set up by Janus being one of his shards, while other Daemon Primarch were largely ignored for the past few years, which alone makes him prime candidate from redemption.

>>51931685
>New model
>prime candidate for redemption

>>51929541
Cyper confirmed for bruce cambell.

>We aren't sigmarising 40k
And I almost felt fot this meme

>>51929653
People like you are ruining this hobby by ruining LGSs. You are almost as bad as people who buy chinese recasts

>>51931722
Who says he can't become Emperor's deamon prince? He'd be just like Celestine

>>51931766
Good goy

>>51931808
His Tzeentch symbols and obvious mutations.
Plus they'd be depriving Tzeentch of his daemon primarch.

>>51931812
Because its good to force small bussines owners who barely cope to cut their profits just because fucks like Wayland who dont have to care about running an actual store do it

>>51931834
we have canonical daemons of the emperor now

you saying he couldn't be purified by the divine light of the emperor? Is this beyond the power of the divine god emperor of mankind? are you citizen?

>>51931866
>we have canonical daemons of the emperor now

And none look like Magnus, dipshit.

>>51931722
>new model
>GW can't sell cool looking top tier competitive model if they change their fluff
>so i'll just ignore entire story so far

Are you actually fucking with me? Even if we were to go along with your asinine assertion, GW can just fucking split Magnus into good/bad sides and still both have their cake and eat it too.

>>51931901
They could just make 1k sons their own faction, like dark angels or yiffs

>>51931899
dipshit? read the post and try again with gusto, not whatever it was you're tryharding with

>>51931901
>>GW can't sell cool looking top tier competitive model if they change their fluff
>>so i'll just ignore entire story so far
>Are you actually fucking with me? Even if we were to go along with your asinine assertion, GW can just fucking split Magnus into good/bad sides and still both have their cake and eat it too.
>>51931923
wouldn't even be half a problem

>>51931901
>Are you actually fucking with me?

Are you really that stupid?
Do you think they'd create a giant plastic model and then just kill him off?
When have they ever done that?

Did they kill the Glottkin?
No.
Did they kill Archaon?
No.

Obviously they currently plan to release all the Primarchs, if any is to be suprise redeemed it will be one whose model is still to come.
>>51931971
>dipshit?

Do you want it in a sentence?

"Fuck off, dipshit."

>>51931761
a pity, it'd make 40k so much better

>>51931679
>not wild and crazy enough.
Have you read the HH?

>>51932038
Yeah 4 pages rules and Ultracasts Eternals would be so nice.

>>51930654
Store level staff don't know anything more than a week in advance.

>>51932038
It would.

>>51932122
>It doesn't have 300 pages of rules, so it must be bad.

>>51927675
>It's not space hulk!

>>51927675
Imperium's still fucked. We're gonna need a lot more Primarchs.

>>51932219
>>It doesn't have 300 pages of rules, so it must be bad
From GW? Yes, they cannot into "simple, but interesting rules".

>>51932281
>Imperium's still fucked
How exactly?

>>51932306
>Golden Throne falling
>Cadia ded
>main Tyranid fleet incoming
>Orks doing Orky things
At least they're gonna go out with a bang

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>>51927527
>"Let's just say Guiliman meets one of his brothers, you can probably guess which one."

Uhh... the Lion? Help anybody?

>>51932383
the spiritual liege's spiritual liege is gonna make it all better, don't worry

>>51932383
>Tyranids
>Orks
>relevant

>>51932395
Magnus/Fulgrim

>>51932395
>Uhh... the Lion? Help anybody?
it's right in >>51927519

>>51932193
Can confirm this is not true, store managers know a lot more then you think.

>>51932396
Wait....guys what if....what if Saint celiatine becomes the new glorious God empress ?

>>51932396
I'm sure the Imperial Guard can hold the line long enough for the Space Marines to steal the credit, at least.

>>51932420
kek - didnt look at the pic only the text. thanks though.

>>51932289
they already have, with warscrolls

>>51932447
40k becomes shit because that's just the worst idea

>>51932526
I know that, you know that, but does GW know that?

>>51932447
I'd rather see Guilliman become the Second Emperor

>>51932548
Your options are

A) a god empress, and all the relative chapters

B) girllyman emperor but every chapter becomes and ultra marine sub chapter

>>51927484
>Saint Celestine mirrin Guilliman
HOW CAN OTHER PRIMARCHS EVEN COMPETE?

>>51932543
You've just given me a bad feeling, and I am not grateful

>>51932596
Don't worry I'm actually worried myself now. Because the way things are stacking up it might happen and I might loose my chapter (dark Angels)

>>51932584
B, everytime. as unsufferable as it seems, i'd survive.
next question

>>51932594
>>Saint SJWstine mirrin Guilliman
Fix

>>51932447
The hero being propped up is Guilliman. Celestine gives him her halo and then gushes about how cool he looks while punching traitor faggots through walls.

>>51932492
Still borring to play, unbalanced and broken, especially old armies. All what GHB added to game is points and fix of most obvious rule-holes.

>>51932618
dangles will have something happen, but I can pretty much guarantee there's going to be a way to have loyal green dangles in the fluff regardless

>>51931473
Well, put up or shut up, faggot.

>>51932661
Yes as another smurfs vassals

>>51932619
Every space marine now is blue in lore and you find out that girlyman was the rea emperor the whole time and the one on the golden throne was actually a primarch and that he pulled a price and the pauper bit.

>>51932661
This is why I bought the calth box and started painting fallen for when they pull that shit.

Only silver lining maybe dangles will get worthwhile HQs since bilial sucks, sammael is cool but over priced, azrial is a lord of war, and ezekeal is the only decent one but does not fit anywhere

>>51932674
Still better

>>51932640
>Returns to save the Imperium
>Wields the Emperor's sword
>Gets some Sisters of Battle Living Saint Pussy
Literally best Primarch

>>51932738
you forgot

>is the only primarch model with a proper helmet

>>51932070
No. BL is pretty shit these days.

>>51932011
>kill
Nigga, Anon ain't saying they'd kill him. Obviously they aren't going to redo a new model they just put out. He's saying that Magnus would keep his form, but his soul would be purified. He stays the same looks-wise, just switches sides. Maybe he's fighting Tzeentch's influence, so he switches sides randomly, enabling him to be used by both IoM and Chaos, which would sell more models. You were given a brain, use it for something besides a hatrack.

>>51932772
Brah....read fulgrim, you what crazy?

Try sleenesh infused orchestra inducing blood orgy and hole sale slaughter in the middle of a theater crazy and that's just a Sunday! Seriously read some of the HH it's good shit, fan of ghram McNeil

>>51930724
>and so on

>>51928039
>MK3 muhreens
>Tartaros terminators
neat
where are the SoS and Custodes though?

>>51932753
That too. I think I may be becoming Matt Ward.

>>51932799
I read most of Fulgrim and I thought it was trash. Maybe I'm just too old for BL?

>>51932781
>Nigga, Anon ain't saying they'd kill him. Obviously they aren't going to redo a new model they just put out.

Then think.
Apply a little thought.
Why oh why would they then decide to give the model marks of Tzeentch and other monstrous Chaos mutations?

>>51932832
Ah man you fucked up the last like 3rd is the best part it's the ishtvan dropsite. I just finished battle for the abyss and it was pretty good as well.

>>51931307
Sure that might be the reason, doesn't change they're a bunch of losers. I mean Daemon Primarch Magnus has failed in all three military campaigns he's launched.

The others don't do much better. The only time they ever win is if it is against some unknown backwater of whos the narrative doesn't give a fuck about.

To be fair even for Abaddon that's true. Not a single Marine character of importance was on Cadia, not a single one of the heavy hitters.

>>51932781
Nope, not him, but I agree with him that you are dumbass. It ain't going to happen. Magnus hated the Emperor and humanity before he became a daemon prince.

>>51932852
Ynnead will purify Tzeench

>>51930926
This to be honest.
Switching alpha legion and dark angles would be a net sum loss

>>51932865
>To be fair even for Abaddon that's true. Not a single Marine character of importance was on Cadia, not a single one of the heavy hitters.

Logan, Ragnar, and Ulrik were on Cadia according to ADB's Ragnar Blackmane novel.

>>51930654
I ain't even mad

>>51932830
embrace it

It's not gay if it's guilliman.

>>51932893
So why were they not mentioned at all when the command structure and leaders were discussed?

Also since we know exactly everyone who managed to evacuate, you saying Logan, Ragnar and Ulrik died off screen?

>>51932936
>So why were they not mentioned at all when the command structure and leaders were discussed?

It's noted early on that the majority of the Space Wolves fell back from Cadia.
Fall of Cadia only covers the very end of a much larger war.

>>51932852
To emphasise his duality. His body was fundamentally and unalterably changed, but his soul was redeemed. And in IRL terms, it sets the stage for chaos dudes sometimes working for the Imperium. Legitimises loyalists summoning daemons, boosts sales, is true to the random nature of the warp, increases grey area between the two main factions. Not saying it's not retarded, just saying it's not beyond GW at this point.

>>51932963
And thus when Abaddon attacked there was not a single major Space Marine character there, like I said.

GW wasn't willing to let Abaddon beat Major Space Marine characters in the book, so they all left before hand, so that when Abaddon arrived none of them were there.

>>51932865
>I mean Daemon Primarch Magnus has failed in all three military campaigns he's launched.

>To be fair even for Abaddon that's true.

It's dumb how the military aspect of every Chaos campaign doesn't really matter, because the actual war is a diversion and the true objective is to enact some ritual or some other arcane goal that the Imperium never finds out about.

>>51932936
The novel begins with the wolves saying that Cadia is practically dead and that they will fight for it a little longer before withdrawing from the planet.

>>51932995
He did scare them off. So it counts as defeating them.

>>51932994
>To emphasise his duality. His body was fundamentally and unalterably changed, but his soul was redeemed. And in IRL terms, it sets the stage for chaos dudes sometimes working for the Imperium.

No. That's not how branding works.
Also
>Magnus
>unalterable

Anyone else worried that all the new lore makes zero mention of Calgar.

>>51932995
>And thus when Abaddon attacked there was not a single major Space Marine character there, like I said.

It was part of a bigger fight.
He had already beat them and sent them running.

>>51932998
Yeah, its dumb, also means Chaos is always losing militarily and ends up looking like their only a threat cause they discover magic buttons which they can press.

>>51933058
calgar shows up in most of the big fight scenes alongside guilliman, and I would be very surprised if he (and other notable smurfs, like tiggy) had no part to play in the new book

>>51932869
No he didn't, he was surfing the warp with Emps before any of the other Primarchs met him. Did you read Thousand Sons? Magnus was fucking destroyed when Emps told him no psychic shit, AND when he fucked up Emps plans. He loved Emps, cared for him as his father. He saw the regret in his father when Emps told him no more psychic, and he took that as an "I know we need psychics, hell I am one, but keep that shit on the downlow until I can square it with the rest of your bro's." He misunderstood Emps because Emps didn't tell him shit. This is literally the biggest part of his story, his conflictedness and wanting to do what is right but fucking up because Emps is a dick.

>>51933058
He is standing in diorama.

>>51933058
You know I was wondering that, does he just fucking retire or something?

>>51933058
No.
If he was going to die then they'd definitely already be talking about someone getting a super heroic death.
Also Guilliman is being set up as leader of the Imperium rather than leader of the Ultramarines specifically.

>>51933066
No, he hadn't. The authors took a cop out to avoid actually showing a character like Logan have to just lose to Abaddon by having him written out before Abaddon even entered the story.

For fuck's sake the structure of the entire Gathering Storm is just the oldest GW cliche;

First Books; non-Marines holding line but gonna lose

Last Book; Marines save the day!

>>51933098
Primarchs had second in command dudes like Marius Gage, Abaddon, Sigismund and others.

>>51933045
His body is unalterable now that Tzeentch got his mitts on him, because it exists in real space. His soul, which exists in the warp, is fair game. He got a Nazi tattoo, realised he was wrong then left the KKK.

>>51933088
Don't bullshit. WoM said that after the whole disaster Magnus began to resent he Emperor and all of mankind. Ho seeks one singular goal and it's the downfall of mankind.

That's why you had Thousand Sons marines in the siege of Terra.

>>51933098
>You know I was wondering that, does he just fucking retire or something?

Even if the Ultramarines Legion is reconstituted and organized along preHeresy lines, Calgar would probably retain his rank as the senior Chapter Master.