/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

>>51911802
>Guard of the Crimson King was a mistake but are TSons really as OP as they look?
Yes.

First for psychic powers and sorcery are the same thing.

>>51911828
Most of them are fine. Sekhmets are undercosted, Guard of the Crimson King and The Crimson King are both fucking dumb.

Guard is fine when you are not abusing Magnus/Sekhmet spam though.

>>51911829
Psychic powers is stealing the warp and fire it at people in the form of mind bullets.
Sourcery is getting daemons to do it for you.

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Since we had some mention of acceptable counts-as models last thread, what do you think of using pic related as a quad mortar?

I'm not an admechfag in 40k but fucking love those models, not to mention the price

>>51911931
plastic admech models look like shit

>>51911829
It's kinda like atomic energy : inherently dangerous, atomic bombs are a fucking nightmare, but a atomic powerplant can provide whole cities of power for a very long time for very little.

>>51911931
As both an Admech and Mechanicus player.

Hell the fuck no.

The size is off, the Torsion cannon doesn't even look like a single mortar, let alone a Quad mortar.

Remember that the guns have crew, so you're going to have 2 crew standing behind a big servitor with no visible purpose.

If you're going to be cheap about Quad mortars, just buy some cheapo artillery from a third party that look vaguely like a mortar.

>>51911942
>Skitarii Rangers
>Vanguard
>Infiltrators

Ho you've gotta be crazy, they're a fantastic line of models

Even the Bustyphrons look pretty cool, few things still manage to capture the overdone and old school Blanchian look better than the Admech

what are the best sources of 30k battle reports?

>>51911954
But atomic power isn't ACTIVELY trying to kill you, it's just ambiently dangerous.

Warp energy is dangerous when handled incorrectly AND is constantly trying to corrupt you and steal your soul.

>>51911942
The tracked servitors and the beep boops look silly and out of place respectively, but the basic techpriests and skitarii look great.
I wish they had skitarii in 30k.

>>51912002
*COUGH*Titan Guard*COUGH*

>>51911984
Look, it is the best thing I could come up with to compare with using the warp, because irl we don't really have had beings from an alternate dimension breaking in and trying to eat everybody alright.

>>51912011
I don't have Titans though.
And Forge Worlds do have a non-Titan population in-between mindless automatons and thousand-year old techwizards, don't they?

>>51911829
well if Rune Priests are anything like runesmiths in fantasy then by trapping magic/warp power in objects it becomes pretty benign. Also Rune Priests are very stubborn and ritualized meaning that after cneturies of practising they won't develop or learn meaning they aren't tempted by power and won't stumble on darker secrets.

The thousand sons pre heresy did similar things to limit the dangers though like the enumerations, meditation and disembodiment. I think they were fairly well controlled until they were faced with total annihilation. What legion wouldn't go totally over the top faced with such a fate?

>>51911983
Winters SEO does some shiny ones with his Mechanicum and now he has Sons of Horus too. Geeks40k do some, and there's the new"the30kchannel" which is good if you like them long-form.

MWG has a couple of good ones but they're mostly subpar, apart from that Mitch chap who occasionally brings interesting lists along and is a good sport.

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>>51911974
All shit. FW got the Mechanicum aesthetic just right while GW failed big time.

>>51912031
You don't need Titans to run Titan Guard (Otherwise known as Secutarii)

They are non-compulsory troops in any Mechanicum list (Unless you have a Titan in which case they can be compulsory troops.

They even have a HQ.

>>51912031
Yeah, of course. You don't need a Titan to use Titan Guard, they're still just fine without one even if FnP 5+ Rerollable is really damn good. You can use the 40k Vanguard models too, since Radium Carbines is a legit loadout, trading range for damage.

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Any company make pieces to make MkII Phobos style hull HBs for a Land Raider? Chapterhouse sells one with full sponsons (don't need the sponsons) and FW kits come with the whole Land Raider (already got the hull for it). Or any good guides achieve similar things?

>>51912035
>Ritualized means they wont be tempted by power

VibratingSmugDarkMechanicumMagos.gif

And I'm pretty sure the Tau commander Farsight is being actively influenced by a Daemon blade.

>>51912035
Yeah, "TSons doing sorcery was what doomed them" is bullshit. They got fucked because combined fuck ups of Magnus, Russ, Valdor and Emperor leading to assault on Prospero and Magnus damning them to save them from Wolves. Fact that they were psykers only mattered insofar that Russ disliked them/Tzeentch wanted them out of picture.

>>51912084
>Etherals are controlled by Tzeentch
>Farsight is Khorne fucking with Tzeentch's plans

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>>51912057
Look, it's ok to like FW stuff, but just ignoring where GW does well established style justice, is just being an idiot.

>>51912057
Citadel admech is Jes Goodwin admech
FW admech is Will Rees admech

Neither are fully John Blanche.

>>51912114
Also Horus probably targeted them one because the distrust of psykers was the only rift he could exploit in the legions and two he knew that they'd be closest to the truth of his heresy and would probably be capable of stopping him or exposing chaos.

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When modelling Hetaeron guards for custodes, would it be acceptable to
use the Sentinel Warblade with some light modifications to make it
count as a Paragon blade? What should be done to it?

Also, which power fists would fit them best to count as
Solarite Power Gauntlets?

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>>51912122
>GW does well established style justice
By making models that look like they're from a saturday morning cartoon? Ok.

>>51911850
Sekhmet would be undercosted as fuck even if they didn't have two fucking wounds, the sheer power and flexibilty of their legion rules is insane, Blade Cult is probably the best power-armored unit in the game, the disadvantages of Guard are negligible and all their characters are amazingly good.

>>51912216
>[strawmaning intensified]

0000000000/1111111110

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>>51912130
>Neither are fully John Blanche.

Nothing will ever be...

>>51912224
>Blade Cult is probably the best power-armored unit in the game
They are slow while needing to charge, squishy while needing full unit, rely on a lucky roll to be truly strong and are not that good against 2+/vehicles.

I think that they are balanced specialist unit.

>>51911850
>Guard is fine when you are not abusing Magnus/Sekhmet spam though.
So, it's Guard of the Crimson King is fine when you're actively trying to not Guard of the Crimson King too hard.
Sekhmets should have witchpowers and their termie equipment and be done with it, not have 2W on top of it.

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>>51912230
GW AdMech models look like some third-party knockoffs. FW Mechanicum looks like the real deal. In the last 10 years or so GWs model design has gone down the drain hard.

>>51912258
As a TS player it actually makes me mad a bit how fucking cost effective Sekhmet are. I love the profile, and if you upped the cost I'd still play them, but as it stands there is basically no reason to bring generic termies in a TS list (GotCK or not) unless you REALLY want the heavy weapons or maybe volkite termies or something.

And I love the idea of volkite termies

>>51912290
I think that it goes beyond that. They are just sold unit. They are really tanky with base 2w3(4)++, really mobile with Levitation and free deepstrike in GotCK, decently chopy with force axes and cheap power/chainfists, decently shooty with cheap plasma and then they get another psychic power, Stuborn and two charges as well.

On top of which, they are also cheap. Like, there is no downsides to them.

>>51912316
Exactly. I mean, they're so good base you can easily do whatever the fuck you want with what gear and cult you give them and it'll be hard to have a bad unit. They're as durable as IF SS termies, while being shootier and potentially even punchier, PLUS they have ML2 which can do anything from make them punchier, give them more shooting, make them faster, more durable, etc.

And thusly I have decided to run Brethren of Iron because of that one time the Pyrae guy brought a bunch of beep beps to Shrike in A Thousand Sons.

Also because I like boops.

>>51912272
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, especially with that choice in image.

destructors look like the terrible shit people like scibor have been pumping out for years

>>51912062
>>51912065
That's good to hear. I like the idea of tech-priests who aren't so ancient and arcane as to not have any peers, and the idea of Forge Worlds who like their soldiers to have independent intelligence and not rely entirely on programming.

>>51912114
Would've Russ have listened if Magnus called surrender and asked to be presented in front of big E?

Speaking of TS and AdMech, how are those new Castellax? They seem really strong in melee, but they are also really immobile. I'm guessing that getting a plasma cannon and then guarding something while chucking shoots down the table is the play?

>>51912515
I doubt it, since he was literally there to kill Magnus. because Horus told him to do it

The entire Horus Heresy was an extravagent ploy by Tzeentch to seal his "ur soul is now mine xd" deal with Magnus. Discuss.
>Magnus never would have turned to Tzeentch if Prospero wouldn't have burned
>Russ wouldn't have burned if Horus never told him to
>Horus never would have told him to if he didn't suspect Magnus knew of his betrayal
>Horus never would have betrayed the Imperium if he wasn't corrupted by Chaos
>Chaos never would have corrupted Horus if it hadn't already corrupted Lorgar and the WB
>The WB never would have been corrupted if Monarchia never happened
>Monarchia never would have happened if Lorgar wasn't a religious cunt
>Lorgar wouldn't have been a religious cunt if he didn't grow up on Colchis
>Lorgar wouldn't have grown up on Colchis if the Chaos Gods hadn't S U C C ed the primarches into the warp
>The Primarchs wouldn't have been made without the Chaos Gods help
>Tzeentch (or at least the portion of Tzeentch that is Fateweaver) can see the future, and so could have seen that, if he did all this, he'd have an incredibly potent mortal servent

>>51912216
Vanguards are sexy, but generally I agree the AdMech/Skitarii line could have been less cartoony and more 'cybernetic-abomination'.

>>51912637
In what ways?

>>51912593
I dunno, it seems it'd be a lot easier to just take baby Magnus home than scatter the inphant primarchs across the stars in hopes it will somehow spark a galactic civil war that eventually leads to one guy following me.

Then again, over complicated and seemingly pointless is right up Tzeentch's alley

>>51912637
>>51912655
I agree to an extent, I think they're some of the best models from GW in years (aside from Slambo, of course) but certain bits are just a little too cartoony.

Don't get me wrong, over the top unrealness os exactly why I love warhammer, but something more menacing, or that just looks like that Blanch-style... wrongness is definitely preferable.

Take the Infiltrators for example, they look way too pit droidish and not posthuman gritty enough. But that's just my opinion, I think stuff like the Dominus, Ruststalkers, and Kataphrons nailed it. But a blend between Skitarii and Tech-Thralls would be sex beyond imagination

>>51912723
>Take the Infiltrators for example, they look way too pit droidish and not posthuman gritty enough.
I agree. They would be more menacing without robes disguising how warped their frames ar, and with a head that made them look human beneath it all, like the basic techpriests and skitarii do. They have the opportunity to make spooky-looking heads for them that are brains inside metal skulls with wires everywhere, but instead they make it look like a droid from star wars.

What would represent Prosperine Spire Guard better: Solar Auxilia, Militia Cults or a mix?

>>51912932
One vote for Militia. Specially because SA infantry only carry lasguns, axes, or volkites.

>>51912932
I'd reckon good ol' Warrior Elite + Survivors of the Dark Age.

I'm kind of taking a liking to the iron warriors, but I'm not too hot about the paint scheme. Anybody have a good alternate scheme that's more than just "drybursh silver, add hazard stripes"?

>>51912997
You could try swapping the relationship between the silver and the gold?
Or you could put more black into it than normal, basically have them be black with silver and gold trimming, rather than silver with black and gold trimming.

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Finished my primus medicae.

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>>51913060
I think I'm getting better at freehanding, I used to be super scared to do it.

>>51913079
Good freehand, especially on the right.
Nice model too. Where did the vents on the back come from? They really make it work.

>>51912024
That you know of

>>51913178
it's a grave warden torso with standard cataphractii legs.

>>51913197
Looks good anyway. What are you using the GW legs for?

>>51913207
My next model will be a chaplain (probably) with warden legs and justaerin torso.

>>51912787
Sounds like a great opportunity for third party bits

>>51912655
I'd have liked to see more exposed flesh crudely connected to augmentations.

Skitarii in various novels are described as quite barbaric or tribal in appearance, I'd have liked to see something closer to catachans or chaos marauders, with cybernetics and weapons permanantly grafted to their bodies.

I think the full suits and robes look detracts from this a bit. If you replaced the Skitarii's robo-legs, you could pass them off as advanced Imperial Guard, they don't look very augmented. Exposed heads with antenna and visors bolted into the flesh would have been better, imo.

>>51912242
Good. Blanche looks like shit in 3D.

>>51912564
Don't you mean Thanatars?
>Named after Thanatos, the god of good and peaceful deaths
>Dying to a wave of cover-rerolling plasma is a peaceful death for the Mechanicum

>>51911802
guys, my friend is starting sons of horus. what Row would best go with them? the SOH specific ones tend to be redundant if you go special character heavy, which as big fluff nerds we usually build are armies that way, so is there a generic one thatd go well with it?

>>51913521

no, the psychic soulblaze plasma castellax

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>>51912997
Darker base color?

>>51913666
lil legends models are too shiny no matter what they are

>>51913561
Anything Drop Pods.

Orbital Assault, Angel's Wrath, and even Drop Assault Vanguard all do well at dumping into enemy territory and getting everything ready for massive attacks turn 2-3.

Remember SoH rules are very situational, so take advantage of where to use them and you'll find it's insanely hard to beat. The one downside is if rolls don't go your way it's just a shooting gallery as your forces slowly trickle in, ultimately getting wiped turn 3-4

>>51913677
2/10 not tabletop standard.

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UM for my diorama. It's still WIP.

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>>51913677
>>51913709
The guy's nuts in the best possible way. He's joined the Age of Darkness podcast and I like his contributions there too.

>>51913772
yes they are very well painted but I just don't like the shininess

>>51912242
Blanche's art is good simply as inspiration. I wouldn't want them to actually model shit accurately to his art though.

Viable concept art it ain't.

>>51913793
Extreme color modulation. I don't like it either. But to each their own.

>>51913772
>assault nipples
TRIGGERED

>>51913702
thanks for the advice.

>be sanguinius
>go in to solo Horus despite knowing you'll fail
>get killed for nothing

??????

>>51914135
It's implied he thought he could still convince Horus to go back.

>>51913715
I love that chest decal, even though there is paint on one edge.

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Started on the Sekhmet termies before the force swords arrive. Didn't realise how deep the heads fit into the carapace, decided to paint them separately. Had to convert the combi-weapon melta.

>>51914135
No, he merely stumbled upon Horus.
Must I remind you Sanguinius, Dorn, the Emperor and their respective elite guards deepstruck together but the Vengeful Spirit scrambled them upon entry?

>>51914229
Sekhmets in Tartaros? Glad you're not a 2W3++ anon

>>51914230
Why didn't they teleport a bomb aboard?

>>51914135

Scrambled on entry.

Both sides thought they could persuade the other.

>you being that much of an idiot.

>>51914254
Cataphractii doesn't really suit them since it is more Roman inspired than egyptian, whilst tartaros looks like a scarab bettle and has smooth monumetal legs like a statue.

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>>51914255
Because Warhammer teleportation follows reverse rules of Terminator's time traveling rules.
You can't transport inorganics unless they have fleshy insides
>I'm a terminator. A tactical dreadnought armour exoskeleton with a posthuman endoskeleton. I feel no fear. I feel no remorse. I cannot be reasoned with. I cannot be bargained with. My mission is to find my target. That's what I do. That's all I do
>THERE YOU ARE! Shutting down...

>>51914255
Not kickass enough for 40k.
Now, the question "Why didn't the Emperor simply pilot Terra into the Vengeful Spirit" makes more sense.

>>51914313
>+1W, ML2(Brotherhood), a force weapon and shredding bolters cost +5pts over additional termies, while extra Tyrants cost +50pts each
Disregard that, I'm triggered still.

>>51914360
>Why didn't the Emperor simply pilot Terra into the Vengeful Spirit
Because Mortarion's ship was already ramming the planet, pinning it in place.

>>51914468
Fucking Morty, if only Autek was there, we could have piloted Luna into the Vengeful Spirit.

>>51914135
In Fear To Tread Sanguinius has a premonition of the Emperor fighting Horus without Sang softening Horus up first. Horus won.

>>51914503
I feel there has to be a connection between Autek's attack moon, the Battle of Rust and Ork attack moons.
Maybe they both draw from Orkane lore?

>>51914255
do terminator marines even give a shit about nukes going off if its not right in their face?

how much force does a nuke really have to tear hardened things apart with just its blast wave? knocking down shitty civilian houses isnt the same as hitting military structures

granted the ship would have been fucked but going there personally gave emps the change to whip horus from the entire time continuum with mind bullets

also because of the circumstances both parties guessed they wanted to meet face to face. horus dropped the shields on purpose because he knew Big E would come instead of just teleporting bombs

>>51912212

AoS is good.

>>51914604
>going on the internet and telling lies
WhatDoYouHopeToGain.jpg

>>51913079
Where's the needle pistol?

>>51914648
it's essentially just 7th ed 40k, personally I think both are pretty bad but WHFB was a lot worse.

>>51912212
>angle 5 dogs at 45 degrees
Much tactics, very intellectual, wow.

>>51914722
>age of sigmar tactics
>take fateweaver and screaming bell
>have fateweaver choose the autowin result on the bell table

>>51914254
Honestly I think tartaros has merit just for combat and mobility. It's basically sweeping vanilla cataphractii with kine shields and no one is thinking that vanilla cataphractii are bad.

Unless it's guard of the crimson king bodyguard for magnus I think tartaros is just more flexible

>>51914781
>look forward to games evening at FLGS all week
>arrange game on internet
>pack up army into carry case
>travel to FLGS (incurring petrol or public transport costs)
>possibly pay fee for table when get to FLGS as well
>meet opponent, shake hands etc.
>unpack army from carry case
>place two models on table, say "I win", pack up and go home
Nice strawman, can totally see that happening.

>>51914781
Doesn't work. FAQ clarifies that you chose between 1 & 6 on a single d6

>>51914589
Id be much more scared of sinking in mud, or water, or falling into a sub-basement and not being able to get out.

Does the Legion Champion still have precision strikes? Wasn't the newest FAQ updated before the AoD army list came out (no precision strikes in the book)?

>>51914827
Thing is, cataphractii are just more efficient. Going from 4 to 3 is way better than from 5 to 4, and additional wound means that you get more saves. Both of these also make each other even better.

Granted, if you don't care, you still get really good terminators that look cool and are not as cheesy.

Have Scananon blessed us with inferno scans?

>>51912224
> best 3+ armored unit in the game
Are you high? It's still seventh edition, shooting is king. Best power armor unit remains Sniper Vets, with IF rules so they hit even better. Maybe DG, to spam sniper shredding Flamers on infantry.
And isn't the whole point of Legion special units that they (generally) perform one job better than the standard version, at a discount?

>>51914852
Let me tell you about the Battle of the Stairs.

>>51914876
In the Visions artwork book the Sekhment are also only shown wearinh cataphractii. Which was the reason I converted my Thousand Sons terminators from (resin) cataphractii way back when.
And then GW decided Tartaros was what they wear ...

>>51912290
Why not? Sekmet are stuck with telekinesis or pyromancy (which sucks).
Standard termies with divination and ALL the plasma and vulkite is a super shooty unit, no?

>>51914845
Seen it happen at least three times. It was basically used as a deterrent by the fantasy players to dissuade them into investing into AOS.
AoS generated a massive hate base

>>51914946
RAW Sekhmets can roll on other disciplines, they just get to pick from those two.

Besides, Levitation + Maelstrom/OM is pretty strong and you want that +1++ anyway.

>>51912932
The inferno book said use solar auxiliary, because Spireguard were supposed to be really good and really well equipment.
Then they got wolfed.
Someone make a WOLFED gif, based on the BLACKED gif
Please and thank you!

>>51914897
I'll give you one guess between no and fuck off.
The damn thing just got put in the mail on Friday.

>>51913079
Your free hand work is excellent!
Great job on the weathering as well.
It's so wierd seeing well painted minis on this thread.

>>51914946
You can have them with divination if you want. I dunno why you wouldn't choose levitation all the time though?

>>51914999
I guess you could go for Levitation and then roll Divination and get Prescience. I'd still get two powers from TK i think.

Precog Sekhmets are cheesiest shit ever though.

>>51914982
We're talking about the double force sword guys. What are you on about?

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>>51914987
Thanks. After 8 years I'm finally where I want to be in terms of painting.

>>51915046
Whoops, didn't notice the single + after the 3, my bad.

>>51914973
I feel like a load of twin linked combi plasma, with two plasma blasters to the face, will be more reliable than a WC 3 power that can still scatter.
You get less hits, and anything worth killing will have a decent invul anyway. I realize that logic works for the plasma as well, but still.

>>51914722
Only one of those four games gives you an actual benefit for attacking your opponent's troops in the side or rear. That alone puts it above the other three.

Also, you can capture enemy banners which can manage to win you a close game.

>>51915073
Yeah, but on the other hand you can get both plasma AND blast. Blast also helps against tougher vehicles and is hilarious against deepstriking units.

Prescience is also WC2, so that's 5 dice vs 6 for Maelstrom on 3+.

Mind you, it's still pretty cool, plus you get to use it on other units as well, so i could see it working out.

>>51914970
And these chucklefucks wonder why their community died. Jesus wept.

>>51915123
Nah people moved on fine to 9th age

>>51914313
So far, I have a unit of 40k Scarab Occult termies as Sekhmets, but I wanna get one unit in cataphractiis too, since the armour looks lovely in metallic red

>>51915147
HA HA HA.

But seriously, maybe we should be back to 30k chat.

>>51915110
> re reads TS Sekmet rules
> compares to standard termies with special bolter shells, Brotherhood upgrade, etc
Never mind. I retract all my arguments. Literally zero reason to ever take normal TS termies. Good God are they underpriced. At 275, for 45 a pop they would still be fucking excellent.

>>51915199
I'm just annoyed that it's an upgrade rather than a full kit.

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>>51915208
>what are house rules

>>51915244
>making up rules.

Save that kind of shit for RPGs

>>51915208
>>51915244
>Force Weapons, Stuborn, ML2(also harness better and can pick), 2w, +1++ and Rending bolter rounds
>50pts+5ppm

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>>51915262
but making up stuff can be very fun

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>>51915244
If you have a dedicated gaming group, and a nice place to play, go crazy.
That shit doesn't fly in the rest of the world.
Because once you do it once, now every fucking time something new comes out, some whines for a redo.
Also, that pic- see spoiler.

>>51914852
Oh no, the nightmare! If only marines could breathe underwater, Terminator armour was sealed and marines could dig 19 days through rubble with an arm missing and major organ failure.

>>51915107
>Only one of those four games gives you an actual benefit for attacking your opponent's troops in the side or rear. That alone puts it above the other three.

Neither 40k nor 30k are regiment-type games. It's an entirely different game system.

What personally put me off fantasy was diverting, that shit made no sense whatsoever.

"We are a big block of heavy knights wanting to charge a block of ogres, but we can't because there is a cat next to them, we have to charge that sideways"

This and all the huge number of stuff in WHFB which made no sense. In regiment type game I want some resemblance of real life battle.

>>51915225
Same, but there are always scarab occults. They look great if you file off a few tzeentch icons and get them axes

>>51914675
Did you even play fantasy?

8th edition was MUCH simpler and faster to learn and play than 40k i snow

>>51915349
I disagree, what makes 40k too complicated nowadays is mostly just army composition. Otherwise basic play is rather easy to learn

>>51911802
>Psyker Primarchs power tiers
Magnus > [who even cares how the other guys rank]

Seriously.

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>>51915262
Where do you think you are, anon?

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>using Primarchs or other named characters

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>>51915340
I ordered a box of those for use as Sekhmets yesterday. They look actually better *and* tartaroi probably get me less accused of cheesemongering.
Also, the kopesh already makes a solid axe, I'd say.

>>51915516
You don't get to judge me, frogman.

>>51915516
Then what's the point?

>>51915516
Yeah, BL has ruined primarchs for me.

>>51915536
I chopped off the pointy ends on my swords to make them more choppy and less stabby

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>>51915542
your dudes

>>51915542
Your dudes.

>>51912246
You're a faggot though.

>>51915569
I can do that better in 40k.

I could be playing my unceremoniously brown and randomly generated Knight Owls chapter if I cared.

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How tall is the FW Russ model? Just the dude itself, not with base?

>>51915516
Why not? I love the primarch models.

>>51915516
I mean, I'd love not to, but Dynat just does everything so well.

In other news, is Hvarl Red-Blade really as awesome as he's looking to me?

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>>51914974
Here anon.

>>51914974
Can you implement the prosperans psychic abillities in some way in auxillia?

>>51915564
why you fucking moron? the Khopesh is obviously a fucking choppy weapon it has a single curved blade. Also why doesv it have to be an axe? Force weapons can be swords.

>>51915536
I like the khopeshes but they look like they don't knwo what they are, are they a chainsword or a force weapon or both? since the blade looks like its inside a case but it isn't in a linked chain and the power cables are on the case.

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FW was nice and decided to give some extra parts, any idea what to do with them?

Seems a shame to waste on scenery, and regular Termies don't belong in 30k

>>51915774
Yea, but shamefully rule-wise swords are silly on termies. Since you will usually be fighting against other termies or other stuff with 2+

>>51915760
Not in a way that keeps them as the disciplined force you want, no. Cult Horde or Tainted Flesh armies can have psykers, but they either make you a screaming bunch of zealots or a twisted horde, or both.

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Hey /hhg/, I would like some help choosing shields for an invictus suzerain squad conversion becuase I'm not spending just over 100 Canuck Bucks before shipping and customs fees
Which do you like the best? From left to right: IS shield, Plastic Custodes shield, PGTM 3-d printed shield.
Please be aware, that if I sprang for the IS shield, it would be that specific one across the squad of 5.

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>>51915842
And a test fit with the Custodes shield I have on hand.

>>51915668
40 mm to 50 mm

>>51915842
Wait a while and just do a large order? pretty much every place I've played 30k (3 now) most groups either made a pool for orders until free shipping or were fine with letting people proxy a few critical things here or there (as long as they were clearly marked) while they saved for an order.

for suzerains you'll want the proper shields, since they have the bolt pistol with an extended mag feed built into the back of it.

>>51915606
Not him, but GW has kinda ruined 40k for me. I don't want my dudes to be there.

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Posting this again looking for any further constructive criticism, current iteration of Fires has the feel of what I want to achieve but seems a bit clunky.

Have a test game lined up next weekend, also a reminder this is for use in narrative/friendly games, but I'm still trying to improve it anyway.

>>51915912
I already have pistols, and I really don't like how the official Legatine axes look. I also love making my units look different from eveyone else's. This way is also saving me about $35, which I can put towards something like a Sicaran Destroyer

>>51915912
>>51915976
If I got the Suzerain shields I'd probably just use Breacher arms and use holtered/mag-locked pistols on the belt.

>>51915516
>Not allowing your opponents to brag about the time their contemptor-mortis with Kheres turned a primarch into swiss cheese

Sometimes it is not about you, but about the fun of others as well.

But it can be compared to people having fantasies about doing something with some fameous person they really like besides banging

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>>51916030
>>51915516

Personally I'm not too fun of using named characters in my own armies unless their rules are counts-as for my own dudes, I use Satarael sometimes as my head Archmagos dude. I've learned to love fighting them, though.

>Here's my fancy list with Mortarion, Typhon and Rask, and my extremely convoluted explanation for the same, all turning up to fight some Xanatite Genetor outpost in the middle of butt-fuck nowhere who are slowly going more heretical as they discover cool things to do with the local flora and fauna. What're you running?

*Entirely generic Mechanicum Reductor list with a couple Vorax thrown in*

If I lose, it was expected, and if I win, it's hilarious.

>>51915516
>not just playing for fun

>>51915788
>and regular Termies don't belong in 30k
Indomitus were a thing in 30k, anon.

How do I justify my loyalist DG chapter having survived Isstvan III without them being Garro's guys?

>>51915774
Because you fucking sperg, force swords are shit.

>>51916201
And they don't belong.

>>51916201
Leave him be. He's probably one of those who believe that unless it can be bought on FW's website, it didn't excist in 30k.

>This would mean that Dorn and Alpharius are in fact not real

>>51915788
>regular Termies don't belong in 30k

lol

I'm working on a full squad and two characters in Indomitus, because bulldog face fuck yeah! If my MCM pads arrive next well, I'll have photos too.

>>51916180
Fun is a filthy parasite.

>>51916252
Agreed.

>>51916243
There is a very good reason Indomitus is the only type of terminator armour that is still used in 40k : it has ever been the most common type of tactical dreadnought armour.
Tartaros is more rare because of how advanced it is. That everybody and their pet dog spams either tartaros or cataphractii is because FW's rules writing, not the fluff.

the only problem of indomitus is that the models look shitty compared to tartaros or cata

>>51916282
Exactly. They don't belong on the table.

>>51916318
Yeah the kit could use an update. But then again there are a number of old plastic kits that could use a makeover.

>>51916245
>tfw you fortify your position so much that you starve and people never find your body

>>51916282
Fucking WAAC fags, paying FW prices to win, don't they care about the fluff at all?

>>51914255
Because they didn't have Perturabo tactical thinking.

>>51916351
>paying FW prices
>when plastic cataphractiis and tartaros exist

>>51915842
ive converted about 10 of my own and ill tell you you can use pretty much any shields you want. the best is probably the cusodes shields but if you're really desperate the stormcast shields work well too

>>51916374
Fucking poorfags, shitting up my game with there unfluffy WAAC termie armour.

>>51916407
Git efficient

>>51916407
There is no way to conform to /hhg/ standards anymore is there

>plastic : fucking poorfag
>resin : fucking resin elitist pay-2-win fag

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>>51916318
What's wrong with them?

>>51916417
Yes.
>>51916441
No, and don't think you can hide which one your models are, because all paint jobs are shit and I can of course say that without ever posting my own.

>>51916458
Nice painting. Most people just basecoat and wash epic minis, it's good to see someone put extra effort in.

>>51916471
>No, and don't think you can hide which one your models are, because all paint jobs are shit
Jokes on you, my paints are too thick to see the underlying material!

>>51916441
wow it's like there are more than 2-3 people posting in these threads, all with differing opinions and levels of memeige

>>51916471
>all paint jobs are shit
There's at least couple anons with decent paintjobs on their models though

>>51916381
I have it down to those three, honestly. Which do you think looks the best? Do you have pics of your Suzies?

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>>51916486
Oh yeah? Git gud scrub.

>>51916482
>Epic minis
The fuck are you on man? those are not epic you nobgobbler.

>>51916471
And don't forget complaining about barely anybody ever posting pics of models they painted.

>>51916508
Shit, nearly forgot, thanks.

>>51914973

That isn't how English works Friendo.

>>51916506
Why did you post a picture of modelless bases?

>>51916342
only because they become part of the fortification

>>51916527
You can claim to know about the British people all you want but people know their English-language. Sekhmets can roll on other tables or choose from pyro / tk

>>51916441
At this point, always assume someone's pretending.

>>51916527
>all units with TSons rule can roll on everything sans malefic
>termies may pick their powers from TK/pryo

We already had this discussion bud.

>>51915857
You better post that mini when it's finished, Knee Gere

>>51916507
Think the joke rather went over your head there m80.

>>51916599
I wasn't.

>>51915683
You mean a +1 wound terminator tataros iron halo Praetor with a +2 S unwieldy armourbane power axe with access to effectively 2 warlord traits and a heavy bolter for a ranged weapon all for 210 points
Doesn't seem worth it all in my opinion especially when Abbadon is only 5 points more
>Forgeworld balance REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51915969
He really did have all that stuff? A Paragon blade, Cyber familiar that I'm totally not suspecting it to be a raven, Cortex Controller and a prototype servo harness?
Vengeance bolts would be sooooo powerful when used by termies. Are they really Rapid Fire?

>>51916631
It wasn't funny enough to be a joke.

>>51916631
>I wasn't.

Never go full retard, m80.

>>51916672
It's not unwieldy, anon, he strikes at I5.

>>51916248>
>51916245
No, I don't mean it in a sense of "them gudamn plastic pieces er ruinin' me puerer game" sense, it's just all the current fluff heavily implies that Indominus was little more than a prtototype and wasn't really ever used.

I'd argue this is backed up by the utter neglect rules-wise and virtual exemption in the lore. Plus, Gorgon armor (the prototype of indomitus) is straight-up better and it makes 0 sense why I'd have the tortured souls trapped forever in their terminator-tombs next to the guys who just have a easy, nice version of it.

Plus all the symbols and shit on the legs looks wrong in HH, especially when fielding Iron Hands. I won't count it against anyone who does, but imo it doesn't fit the setting

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>>51916846
>it's just all the current fluff heavily implies that Indominus was little more than a prtototype and wasn't really ever used.

No, all 3 patterns of Terminator were developed around the same time and the IF had tons of Indomitus in their armory. No reason for other legions to not have Indomitus.

>>51916846
>all the current fluff heavily implies that Indominus was little more than a prtototype and wasn't really ever used.

[citation needed]

>>51916903
I believe Inferno has retconned Tartaros into being relatively new at the time of the Heresy.

>>51916903
>>51916926
iirc it blurbs in one book about how it was the "newer, better" armor that's only given to daddy's favorite legions. Which is funny, since it's without a doubt the shittiest armor out there.

However, no one- even here- is retarded enough to refute Indomitus Armor just doesn't fit the setting. It looks cartoonish and out of a bad 50's sci-fi flick compared to the more Greco-Roman (I guess that's how to describe it?) look of Cataphractii and Tartarus.

But of course, I'm just as content to spend the rest of the thread fighting over an armor no one here even actually uses, and for that matter no player ever uses.

I have 6 boxnauts inbound from a sale.

What should I build out of them?

I figure some mortices wouldn't hurt, but ideas are welcome.

>>51916973
>I believe
Either you have the book and you know it, or you don't and you're spewing shit.

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>>51916846
>I'd argue this is backed up by the utter neglect rules-wise and virtual exemption in the lore.

With that logic a whole host of other things didn't get used in HH either, even though we know they were. Thing here is that I don't give a shit what FW thinks HH looks like. We got decades of fluff and art of HH before FW decided to do their thing and in the name of sales push their own shit and make everything GW makes shit. Can you name a single unit that uses GW kits that is better than something FW makes?

>Gorgon armor (the prototype of indomitus) is straight-up better

Gorgon is the prototype built on the Indomitus, the Indomitus itself is not a prototype. Even the current fluff for the Gorgons says Indomitus is among the most common terminator suits used by Marines.

>>51917037
Orbital assault, outflanking, or marching them up the field?

>>51916903
If you're going to use Indomitus in 30k, you should shave off the Crux Terminatus.

>>51917049
Actually it was in one of the images posted and I don't have it anymore. I believe it was alongside a SW or TS terminator.

>>51916687
the catapractii and prototype harness are backed up by fluff, the paragon blade is something of an assumption because the only other example I have to work off (autek mor) treats his axe as a paragon blade. The cyber familiar is 50/50 as the books mention him having various attendant non-human things at various times, so is a best guess that one of them would be. cortex controller is also a best guess since the RG used bonded battle-automata extensively in second-wave assaults and in support of the Hawks (vehicle section of the legion) so I would expect that the guy elevated to chief techmarine would have some way of interfacing with them.

the vengeance rounds are a straight copy of the 40k sternguard rounds, and I thought I wrote bolters when I in fact wrote bolt weapons, probably should just be bolters.

>>51916846
>I'd argue this is backed up by the utter neglect rules-wise and virtual exemption in the lore
Destroyers confirmed for having never existed.
Also, Dorn's Huscarls wear Indomitus.

>>51917069
Probably a slog or outflank with Amon.

I'm playing TS

>>51917105
Outflanking unit of Castellax would be pretty brutal, actually.

>>51917032
Tartaros is the one which is the advanced suit, comparable to the MkIV.

>retarded enough to refute Indomitus Armor just doesn't fit the setting

It fit perfectly in there years before FW even dreamed of making a HH game. Autists just go full carnac.

>Tartaros
>Greco-Roman

Tartaros is a fucking Eggman rowboat and a joke. I got exactly 1 suit of it just for the rules.

>>51917129
Yeah, but not the question being asked.

>>51917105
Flamestorm cannons and powerfists with grav for your outflankers.

>>51917072
Or, if you play IF, you could use BT pads.

I just got some pads from Master Crafted Miniatures. Studded on the left and blank on the right.

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>>51917140
>Tartaros is the one which is the advanced suit, comparable to the MkIV.
Not that anon, but the most advanced terminator suit out there must clearly be the Custodes one. They get so much better shit than the legions.

>>51917181
Yeah that's a good idea.

>>51914876

>Thing is, cataphractii are just more efficient.

If you just plan to have them shoot, sure. But Sekhmets aren't obsec units, What else is left for them to do in mid-late game besides charging in? Sweeping advance is too much of a game changer to throw away in favor of +1 to invuln.

And besides, if you're spamming Sekhmet then that +1 to invuln doesn't really matter in the long run because lol 2W on my 10-20 termies.

My space dad is your space dad's space dad.

>>51912246
>>51915593

That faggot's right though. Blade Cult needs a lucky roll to not be absolutely trashed coming out of a Land Raider. Otherwise its just going to get shot up or clobbered for no meaningful gain.

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>tfw you accidentally shit up a thread because of personal taste

My bad, I don't want to impugn the reputation of IH as quiet niceposters so I'll say I was wrong- it was widespread, but it still would look bad with the rest of my Legion. Sorry about the whole shitstorm, sorta forgot this is 'elitism and armor autism: the general'

>tfw failed your Legion
>tfw time to join the Immortals

On a side note, how do the Gorgons look? I think they're coming along well.

>>51917361
They seem a little flat, also why are they glowing blue. RG glow blue, IH glow oily green.

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>>51913814

Speak for yourself.

Admittedly, anything just Blanche enough would be too spindly and weird to sell as an actual model, but you can certainly do enough conversions using existing GW parts to make something that hits that sweet spot.

>>51917361

The highest quality of tabletop standard.

>>51917423
>flat
Yeah, they tend to look like that until the end, I'll use a mix of Nuln Oil Gloss with just a drip of 'Ardcoat to give a nice shine to the armor.

>blue
That's just the powerfists. Does it look tacky? I was afraid it might

>>51917449
>highest quality of tabletop standard
Then I can die happily knowing I've fulfilled my life's dream- pretty okay models

So what's the general opinion on Space Wolves on the tabletop? Going to be fighting them with my Reductor and he will be bringing Russ and the smaller dogs. I hear he's unkillable in combat or something? What's the weaknesses to aim for?

Read the B&C tactica thread for a bit, but it was mostly bitching about Magnus and their HQ tax.

>>51917629
Just shoot him

>>51917361
Give the blue a highlight of a lighter blue and it will look a bit better imo. Gorgon termis are cool minis.

>>51917423
IH and blue works well imo, you can go either green or blue, both work. The cold blue fits their mechanical detachment and coldness to humanity.

>>51917361
The powerfist thing doesn't really do it for me, but I'm just one shitposter of many.

>>51917629
Bunch of marines running at you. They've got bunch of rules, and i mean a bunch, helping them with that.

Russ is beast in melee, but you can just shoot him dead. His armor give -1/2 To Hit in melee and he can chew through most things, but he doesn't give a lot to his army. Note that he gets 3++ against plasma/melta.

>>51916788
Silly me, thank you for the correction anon.

>Giving 3 units scout and anyone within 12" preferred enemy (infantry)

>Heavy Bolter for shooting

Abbadon is still overpriced as fuck

>>51917629
Lemon Russ dies just like any other primarch to shooting. Just take enough ranged AP 2 or even more other things and fuck him up.

>>51917666

>Note that he gets 3++ against plasma/melta.

Finally, a reason to spam rotor cannons!

>>51916559
This deserved a laugh.

>>51917712
But yeah, they are deceptively quick with run+run bonus+charge and they have bonus WS plus Counter Attack if charged. Also can sniff out infiltrators.

Just setting up a gun line sounds like the right idea, but i've yet to see them played so..

>>51917201
Until you get some magos in their custom pimp terminator armour with all the bells and whistles.

>>51917762

Conceptually speaking, it should be no different from fighting a World Eaters bumrush. You're going to have a gun line, you're going to have lots of shooty, and you're going to hope thats enough or you're going to spam quads like an asshole.

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>>51917361
>sorta forgot this is 'elitism and armor autism: the general'
How could you forget that?

>>51917813
Every time someone posts that, I just want to get it and make a full blown armour autism bait suit using bits from all the marks from 1 to 8.

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Pimped out IH command squad and praetor on bikes, painted in the brightest possible silver with hints of iridescent colours.
sound like a good idea?

>>51911802
>>SOON TO BE OBSOLETE, ALL GLORY TO THE SCANON
Never ever

>>51917963

scanon is a lie like the Imperial Truth

>>51917629
They have the longest charge in the game, so stay at least 15 inches away if you want to avoid it but their shit is pretty vulnerable and they have some of the shittest deep strike options.

>>51917960

You can watch a battle report about how such a squad survived a 5k point game on 30kchannel

>>51917906
Do it.

Call it artificer armor

>>51917963
>>51918002
HERESIES, SCANON'S LIGHT WILL BE KNOWN BY MORTALS ONCE MORE.

>>51917666
>>51917706
>>51917762
>>51917792

OK. Not short of shooty in this army, and I don't think they have the World Eaters thing of killing Adsecularis and Thallax on immediate contact so I can try tarpits. I scanned their rules briefly so I think I can trust the Lightning Fighter and the artillery to render their transport useless, and if all else fails I have the Ghostbuster Team of Myrmidons in a Macrocarid to NOPE Russ out of existence. Treat them as faster but less choppy World Eaters, right?

>>51918004

Wait, 15" charge? I missed the bit where they all got permanent WAAAGH and Dunestrider. Nuking the Heavy Support and any heavy transports is first priority, I think.

>>51918111
>Ghostbuster Team of Myrmidons
i'm stealing this

>>51918111
>Ghostbuster Team of Myrmidons
do go on, what are they armed with?

>>51918188
my money is on graviton imploders

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>>51918146

Only if they look like this.

>>51918199
>female tech prists
now THATS what i call heresy

>>51918188
Graviton Imploders, as usual. They got the name from their record of 4 Kurze kills, I need to make them some special models.

>>51918245

There's not that many good female models to use though.

Or do you want to be a sexist pig?

What does the Misericordia rule do for Custodes? I see it a lot but don't see it mentioned in the scans. Am I missing something?

>>51918258
Gives them a ten-man transport capacity that ignores bulky.

>>51918258
Sounds like a musical instrument.

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>>51917074
>>51917049
>>51916973

>>51918275
I see the models having it, does it remove bulky? What's the use for it then? ...

>>51918293
>>51918258
Basically, we have no idea, because fw didn't put it in the book
its probably an extra str -1 ap 3 rending attack or something

>>51918275
No, that's the Caestus' rule.

The Custodes version is a CC weapon. The 30k version seems to have no rules, but in their 40k rules it's just an AP 3 power sword/knife.

Which is exactly like real life, where the misericord is a choir bench and a misericorde is a knight-killing dagger.

>>51918293
Carrying terminators + ICs, I can't remember if Custodes are assault vehicles though.

>>51918336
this is a lie

>>51918345
>implying you don't want to see a three man squad of custodes carrying 30 terminators
Are there any drawfags available? Might make a good OP image actually.

From what unit/vehicle do you guys pull enough firepower to bring Primarch and/or 2+ multi-wounds models down? Lascannon is expensive as hell.

>>51917095
Eh, Autek is a Chapter Master first and a techmarine second, leader of a whole legion clan. That's what an Iron father is.
But forge Lords can still have mastercrafted thunder hammers and a 3++. That's gotta be something.

>>51917361
It's alright, anon, those look really nice and Autek's lot were his legion's troublemakers.
You're more IH than you think, so enjoy your anger :^)

>>51918473
>Primarchs
BS5 rapid fire FotL and plasma.
>vehicles
BS5 tank-hunting missile launchers.

>>51918473
Medusas

>>51918473
Myrmidon Destroyers with Grav Imploders or Rad Engines, both shit on your toughness value and the grav fucks your armour as well.. The Imploders generally work better, unless the Primarch is bubble wrapped, where several fleshbane torrents can do some serious hurt.

So, show me your alphas :^)

>>51918473
Imperial Knights.

If you're smart, you brought the melts cannon one and (if he's dumb) then the pie-plate will cover his whole unit, wounding on 2's and IDing anyone not him, so either your opponent loses his expensive retinue (and if you're lucky their ride! Don't plan on it, though.) or risks some wounds on himself.

>>51918847
>your opponent ... risks some wounds on himself
NO, NOT ROGAL DORN! NO, NO! I'M GOING TO DIE! Please don't make me quit the game! Somebody save me! You can't do this!
>Anon, get out of here. YOU'RE DEAD! You don't exist any more.

>>51918914
#BlackLeafMatters

>>51915486
Are people really like this in real life?

>>51919181
Yes

>>51919359
Bullshit.

>>51919442
People ignore pointless talk all the time

>>51918514
possibly, pity we know so little about techmarines in 30k, especially the head/high rank ones.

>>51918660
>vehicles
>BS5 tank-hunting missile launchers.
flare shielded spartan

Dunno if it's been FAQ'd yet but it would appear that while the rules for Legion void-armor specify that you get to re-roll armour saves against blast/template weapons, the rules for Solar Auxillia void+armour do not specify what save you get to re-roll, rather it just says "saves against blast/template weapons must be re-rolled'.

Wouldn't this mean then that SA have a re-rollable 2+ cover save against blast/templates if they go to ground behind a ADL?

>>51918660

BS5 FotL averages one single wound on any T6 2+sv Primarch.

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>>51911802
Which legion does this sum up?

>>51919720

World Eaters, obv

>>51919720
Wolves

>>51919720
(((alpha legion)))

>>51919728
>>51919729
I'll take both.
>>51919735
I was thinking that.

>>51919742
>I was thinking that.
they also serve a (((cabal))) that causes them to irrationally act against their best interests

>>51919761
Don't even get me started on that. Somewhere along the way the ALs decided to go off the record with their cabal, and and ours is going to die. Death to the Swiss.

>>51919720
White scars.

>>51919720
Could see elements of the LW/SoH

>>51919841
Their style is kind of predictable. They always go for the throat to rip the head off.

>>51919871
>World eaters always charge strait at the enemy to rip and tear

Was referring mainly at the squad level, were they're more warrior than soldier

Is there any 3pp Cerastus Knight head? FW ones look ugly as hell.

Not that Cerastus itself is pretty either. I'm really not sure whether I should buy it for better stat than GW Knight or not.

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>>51919924
My mistake. But sometimes you can't rip and tear everything. You need a tonk to crack the shell to rip and tear the nuts inside.

>>51919720
Alpha Legion, World Eaters, and bad Ultramarines.

>>51919957
>First we crack the shell, then we crack the nuts inside the shell

Fucking loved Soundwave and Co.

But yeah tanks with harpoons are something world eaters need then, just drag the tank toward you

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All the talk about Lotara in the last thread made me remember this. Dreadnought Ursus Claws when? I wouldn't even care if they were boxnaught exclusive, justified by their bulkier, stouter frame being better anchors than Contemptors, I'd take a fuckload of them anyway. TS can get a special dreadnought, this could totally be a thing for the next World Eater update in 20 years

>>51920013
>Fucking loved Soundwave and Co.
Looking back to that game that fight was one of my favorites.
>But yeah tanks with harpoons are something world eaters need then, just drag the tank toward you
You can't just harpoon everything.

>>51919720
Raptor Legion

[s] :^)

>>51920051
>You can't just harpoon everything.
thats why they have a trident

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>>51920113
Oh you.
>>51920123
I actually forgot about that trident. Is it any good in the game anyway?

>>51920145
nah its shit m8

>>51920166
Thought so. Maybe tying a chainaxe to it would improve it.

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I do say lads, all this talk of primarchs hunting has me in the mood for an expedition. So tally ho, off to the plains of Isstvan for a good old fashioned chase. I present:

Rogal Dorn's Primarchs Safari
3,000 point total clusterfuck
Main Detachment-

"Expedition Leaders" (325)
>Sigismund
>Siege Breaker Consul

Elites (225)
>Terminator Squad: 5 Chainfists

Troops (320)
>Tactical Squad: Rhino
>Tactical Squad: Rhino

Fast Attack (330)
>Javelin Landspeeders: 3 Speeders
>Javelin Landspeeders: 3 Speeders

Heavy Support (625)
>Medusa Siege Tank: Phosphex Shells
>Medusa Siege Tank: Phosphex Shells
>Caestus Assault Ram: Frag Assault Launchers

Lords of War (370)
>Knight-Errant: Ububu

Allied Mechanicum Detachment-

"Magos Biologis Livingston, I presume?" (160)
>Magos Prime: Graviton Imploder, Powerfist

"local savages" (130)
>Adsecularis Covenant: 20 Tech-Thralls
>Adsecularis Covenant: 20 Tech-Thralls

"Hired Poachers" (525)
>Myrmidon Destructors: 5 Myrmidoms, Graviton Imploders, Triaros

I'm imagining a mix between the hunting scene in Jurassic Park 2, Zulu, and Tarzan. And I couldn't be happier

>>51920241
Phosphex medusae are actively worse than regular ones, since s5 poisoned has no ID on 2w termies/characters and can't threaten vehicles
Artillery is 0-1, so you can only take one squadron.
overall a pretty weak list with little synergy between a few really good things, i.e. siggy, a Knight, everything mechanicum, but due to none of it working together well its pretty weak.

>>51920328
It's a joke list brah, I just wanna make a Safari hunt in 30k.

But thanks nonetheless

>>51920365
oh good, i got that feeling but wasnt sure since you seemed half serious, and there was a lot more effort put in than most joke lists.

>>51920241
I laughed harder than I should have.

>>51915486
Not even true though.

Transfigured Lorgar can chose his own powers rather than rolling which can arguably be better than Magnus.

>>51920051
Loved the 1986 movie, games were nostalgic as fuck too

>Busting open a spartan assault tank in close combat
https://youtu.be/GuEuPY8rNdQ?t=33

>>51920440
I loved the G1 transformers.

>>51920398
It is an interesting idea, a list themed around killing 1 super-tanky guy at all cost, but it really made me just realize the blatant ridiculousness of Destructors.

>for 525 points you can have 20 BS5 preferred-enemy grav (40k grav, mind you) coming from 5 T5, 2W guy with 2A each, a powerfist, and they're all in a flare-shielded AV14 Transport

Thank god no one in my meta plays Mechanicum

>>51920460
>G1

Still unmatched by any other season

The movie was dark as fuck though. First time I watched it was actually terrifying, seeing so many named characters get killed off in the first twenty minutes at a young age does something to you

Have to say though looking back, it's probably was a minor influence to 40k (the grimdark aspect) and probably why i love boarding actions scenes so much though

>Zone Mortalis boarding party
https://youtu.be/umwZ8qVorwo

Plus 80's music, that's somewhat 40k

>>51920679
I have never seen the whole movie, but I did like the music.

>>51918289

So not only is it ok that I have 30 Tartaros Sekhmets, but its also fluffy if I field all 30. Cool.

>>51919957
Aaron, go to bed, it's late.

Would it be possible to run SoH without drop pods/dreadclaws?

>>51920907
Yeah?

>>51920725
>Tartaros Sekhmets
suboptimal reeeeee

>>51921102

FLUFFY

>>51920707
Had a great soundtrack personally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3PJJOylp_s
Might as well watch it though
http://watchcartoonsonline.eu/watch-the-transformers-the-movie-1986-full-movie/

>>51920907
Can you, yeah, it easy enough to do, you may just loose some of their uniqueness, but then again, i believe book 4 had a section on the 58th company, the back breakers which were an armour company, so feel free

So, while I got a huge load of 40k stuff from a friend, (800 bucks worth of stuff for 300) I also noticed that I got a pair of stormtalons.

So since those derpy things don't exist in 30k, what's the best use I got for them?