Star trek general /stg/ The Iconians are behind everything edition

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>>51899124
Gonna try and come up with some ship limitations now.
>LOW TECH SHIP
1, No warp capabilities, so all extra solar missions are out.
2, Inefficient sensors, inability to detect distress signals outside immediate area around them.
3, Limited patrol missions, patrol missions of these ships are limited to immediate area near star bases that belong to this species/shipyards/mines/Planetary holdings.
4, No exploring, due to the lack of warp engines these ships are unable to move outside their home system.
5, No colonization, Well, maybe in form of sleeper ships or generation ships, but that is all.

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>>51899191
Now that i think about it, i should drop the first point and replace it with "No homecoming missions, due to lack of warp engines".
Or maybe rule 1 would be just enough for those ships...

>WARLIKE SHIP
1, No diplomatic missions, diplomats must come to these people.
2, No trade missions, these people take what they need and want.
3, No distress responding, it could be a trap laid by another warlike race or by one of the races at war with this one.

And im out of ideas with these guys.

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>>51899260
>ARMORED SHIP
1, No exploration, these people are careful and thus only explore the far reaches of space via probes.
2, No attack force, due to their doctrine, these ships tend to remain on defense rather than go out seeking their enemies.
3, No distress responding, due to excessive carefulness of these people, they rather not answer any distress calls so they could avoid getting into danger themselves.
4, No homecoming, even if displaced from their home, these people are too afraid of going against any forces and will remain on eternal defense of their new home.
5, No extermination missions, again, due to lack of warlike spirit, these people prefer to redirect or avoid existential threats.

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>>51899353
>FABRICATION SHIP
Hell, i should probably just list what it CAN do instead of what it cant do.
1, This craft sits near a resource rich asteroid belt or by other ships that are mining a planetoid for raw materials and utilizes these materials for ship building.
2, No trade missions, this craft can work as a makeshift trade station, but not as a freighter per say.
3, This craft can work as a central command ship in case of homecoming or in case of prolonged conflict into a star system.

Pretty much everything else is verboten.

>>51899084
Nth for rewatching First Contact and basically checking out after they go back in time.

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>>51899401
>EXPLORER
Just exploring, nothing else, in a pinch this ship can perform some extermination of technologically more quaint people and can mount a half hearted defense, but that's that.

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>>51899484
>AUTOMATED SHIP
1, Unable to respond to distress calls, or to any hailings for that matter, this ship works on its programming/AI command unit and ignores everything outside its mission parameters.
2,No colonizing or trading or piracy for this reason either.

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>>51899518
>BIO SHIP
I don't see how this ship wouldn't be able to perform any of these missions, but id like you guys to add your ideas on this one.

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>>51899620
>CARRIER
1, No trade missions, this ship has much better use for its inside space than to lug around trade goods.
2, No exploring, there are ships far more fitting for this purpose than this one.
3, No colonization, again, all inside space is used for ordnance, fuel, crew space and fighter craft storage and hangar and repair areas.

>>51899084
>The Iconians are behind everything edition

Who?

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>>51899654
>POLICE CRAFT
1, No piracy, exterminating, exploration, trading, attacking, colonizing or homecoming, this ship is only for patrolling and answering to distress calls.

>>51899666
Don't you remember them satan? Their automated shit blew up U.S.S. Yamato in TNG.

>>51899620
Bio ship on a Homecoming mission should automatically become Moya.

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>>51899769
>FREIGHTER
Just trading and nothing else.

>>51899815
Put this stuff in a pastebin or something senpai. Pretty good.
Also, freighters etc. could be Q ships or the like.

>>51899894
Good point, as for pastebin, don't have an account and have never used it before, so if there is any friendly anon around id like to ask him to do it.

>>51899666
The were a long, long time pre-Federation race that dominated the same locality and beyond. Out to the gamma quadrant at least. They had gates that let you walk between worlds. Picard found one facility and had to deal with the automated defences fucking over the Enterprise and a Romulan warbird at the same time because it was trying to over-write their systems and causing everything to crash constantly.

Later Sisko teamed up with some Jem'Hadar to take out a group of rogue Jem'Hadar who had found another Iconian gate facility.

Dunno why they're behind everything given they're long, long dead. As in everyone ganged up on them and murdered the shit out of them to the point that their remains are rare as fuck. Insanely advanced though to have teleporter gate things that work across a galaxy even without a gate the other side, even to ships. And they definitely built stuff to last.

>>51900094
Well, they are behind quite a lot of shit in STO. And we get to fight them at one point in an entire story arc called "The Iconian war".

>>51900210
Let's not talk about the evangelion wars thanks

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the what?

>>51900539
Japanese cartoon

>>51900539
I'm talking shit about how the "Iconians" in STO look like a generic discount angel race in a Japanese anime

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>>51900787
But they weren't nearly geometrical enough!
Well except T'Ket, what with all her edges.

>>51901600
To be fair I nearly cut myself on all the iconians edges.

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TNG just casually dropped a shitload of ancient, superpowerful races/beings into the backstory and then did absolutely nothing with them beyond one or two episodes. I mean they did that all the time on TOS, but that was expected for a monster of the week show of the 60s. You'd think Gene would have figured out that consistent world building would be important by the 1980s, especially after the huge success of the movies.

Like the fucking T'Kon Empire, one story, never mentioned again. Granted, said story was awful, but something could have been done with them. or the Crystalline Entity. Or any of the others.

>>51901681
In all fairness they did something with the Crystalline Entity in that they killed the fucking thing and then acted all sad as shit about it. Boo fucking hoo this one of a kind super special snowflake got broken, it's only crime was the death of a few billion UFP citizens and the eradication of all life on unknown number of planets.

Crazy bitch shouldn't have been sent to the nut house for killing it. She should have been handed a medal and then thrown in the nut house.

Also the planet with the cloaking device and sterility that abducted Wesley and then committed the awful crime of giving him back. Super computer with thousnads of years of super advanced knowledge in it and the locals let Starfleet have free reign of it. Never mentioned again.

>>51901681
>Crystalline entity
All we have nowadays is a single STF in STO where you and 19 other folks attack a tholian fleet guarding a crystalline entity and try to blow up the entity with conventional weapons.

What was the T'Kon empire like btw?

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Yeah, that was another first season episode. Also don't forget the super secretive and powerful aliens in "The Royale" who created a casino for a dying astronaut for... reasons?

>>51901823
>What was the T'Kon empire like btw?

We don't know shit about them. They built a quadrant-spanning empire including outposts and stashed supertechnology everywhere, including creatures which blend technology and living beings somewhat like the Guardian of Forever.

Then, if you take the episode they were mentioned in as presented, they were all wiped out by a supernova. I'm not even sure how that would have happened. We never see one of them, even as a picture.

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>>51901833
Because cosmonaut had a shitty novel about a casino on him at the time of abduction and that's about all they had to go on for what humans like to live in. Which is FUCKING BULLSHIT! presumably the vessel he came in on had a computer. Presumably it had shit about Earth in the computer.

Also the aliens were too alien to communicate with. But apparently not too alien to create a whole society of artificial fully sapient and sentient humans that could communicate perfectly.

And on the subject of communication; The captain abducting shit stains who communicate only through metaphor and reference. A nice idea until you think about it for a few seconds. How the fuck do they exchange the highly detailed technical information needed to build, maintain and operate a warp capable vessel. And how is it that no communication has been made with them? The UFP has entire planets worth of psychics with no sense of personal privacy, why are they not at least attempting to make up for inflicting the Troi family on the galaxy? And WTF happened to the human telepaths?

>>51901681
>TNG just casually dropped a shitload of ancient, superpowerful races/beings into the backstory and then did absolutely nothing with them beyond one or two episodes.

Honestly I don't mind this. It's just background info for the problem of the week. They're dead and gone. There's no need for things to be continually explored if they're not a continual threat, unlike say... Klingons or Romulans.

It gives a hint or two and if really needed for other plotlines it's easy enough to expand upon what's there. Though coming up with a twist to not just do the same thing repeatedly is the real trick.

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But it's also the implications of the shit that they find.

The discover the Iconian world in the Neutral Zone.

With ship killer weapons and what is in effect an interstellar, unblockable, two-way transporter/portal gun.

Picard and Data destroyed, at most, one settlement. A settlement that was in pristine shape. There is no way in hell the Romulans or the UFP or anyone else is not going to go to war to get hold of that level of shit. Whoever manages to get hold of that shit and figure out how it works wins everything, everywhere, forever.

And the Dyson sphere that remained untouched and unmentioned till the events of STO 30 years later.

Star Fleets biggest interest about the thing was that they got Scotty back.

It was not, who built it, how built it, are they still around, why build it and can we make the star in the middle behave because it could comfortably house the entire UFP inside with HOLY FUCKING SHIT levels of room left over.

Seriously where did they get the shit to build that thing? That's an entire stellar cluster worth of metal.

>>51901861
>Then, if you take the episode they were mentioned in as presented, they were all wiped out by a supernova.

They must have gotten hit with a evem more powerful version of what fucked up Romulus. Either that or a Q did it.

>>51901960
>How the fuck do they exchange the highly detailed technical information needed to build, maintain and operate a warp capable vessel.

Well, hivemind species would probably say the same thing about the way humans communicate. Ultimately they have a tool - their form of language - that they've learned to use. So if you grow up learning that 'Maza, Like Thunder on Stone' means 'pass me the hammer', you pass the hammer.

>And how is it that no communication has been made with them? The UFP has entire planets worth of psychics with no sense of personal privacy, why are they not at least attempting to make up for inflicting the Troi family on the galaxy?

Because Betazoids are frauds and Vulcans can only do telepathic stuff with a mind meld that is probably too invasive to perform on a species you haven't opened formal relations with.

>And WTF happened to the human telepaths?

Did any human ever have full blown telepathic powers without coming into contact with a magic space cloud or god-like being?

As for why human psychic potential stopped coming up in Star Trek I presume it has to do with real world reasons. When TOS was made, ESP was still being investigated as a serious scientific phenomenon (the CIA was doing experiments as late as the 1970s) but by the time later installments of Star Trek appeared it had been largely tossed aside as pseudoscience.

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In terms of the show, I don't really mind the Dyson sphere not being a big plot thing either. Sure it's gigantic and fascinating but past the initial contact it's the kind of thing I'd expect to quickly be covered in scientific fleets that then sit there for years running carefully planned expeditions rather than dramatic events that need paying attention to. Especially since the Dominion war happened shortly after.

Dunno if they did any novels about it but it's well out of both DS9's and Voyager's remit to go back to it, and TNG was off being largely mediocre movies.

And for the Iconians, the implication was that the only functional thing left on that planet was that base with everything else being scoured off by orbital bombardment. And the Romulans, despite all the backstabbing and paranoia, are a pragmatic people when it comes down to it, they'll have been happy it was denied to their enemies as well given that any open war between the Feds and Romulans would have inevitably dragged the Klingons in for good measure and even IF (big if) they could have secured it, their asses would be collectively glassed.

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>>51902364
>Did any human ever have full blown telepathic powers without coming into contact with a magic space cloud or god-like being?

Yes. Pic related. The one in the dress.

You can talk about Uri Geller being exposed as a fraud all you want and most governments no longer employing voodoo economists and shit but the truth of the matter is that Star Trek has always had shit that any other series would admit to being magic in it. And not just in TOS. That shit was in TNG, DS9 and VOY. Admittedly they toned it down in VOY and replaced it with this

http://www.scifiideas.com/technobabble-generator/

Which was not to my mind an improvement.

Also apparently any human could have pretty great psychic powers. All you have to do is get some of the right flavour apple juice and inject that good shit straight into a vein. I swear I'm not making that up. Kirk got magic powers on one episode because Bones injected apple juice into his veins.

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>>51902537
>apple juice
>psychic powers
>"I swear I'm not making that up"

I want to believe you, I really do, but surely even this show was too serious for that.

>>51902632
The episode was called Plato's Stepchildren.

It was the one where Kirk is brain-raped into kissing his black receptionist and there's a dwarf

>but surely even this show was too serious for that.

From the same episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU

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>>51902731
>brainwashed into acting like a horse and rider

Dear sweet merciful-

>>51902897
The rest of the episode is like that.

The eventual show down is between Kirk and that Caesar looking shit having a brain-rape contest to see who can puppet the dwarf with a knife to shank who.

The minstrel boy to the war has gone...

>>51902364
>what fucked up Romulus
That was the Iconians, too.

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>>51904398
>Iconians did Psi 2000
>Iconians did Ceti Alpha 6
>Iconians did Praxis
>Iconians did Moab IV
>Everything was Iconians

>>51905830
>Iconians did Roswell '47
>Iconians did Dallas '63
>Iconians did Dallas

>>51905830
Cryptic Quality

>>51900094
>Dunno why they're behind everything given they're long, long dead.

Twelve of them survived, and they're each only somewhat less powerful than Trelane.

Emergency power to forward BUMPers.

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>>51907224
>each only somewhat less powerful than Trelane
They're not anywhere close to even Apollo. Igonians can't make things appear out of thin air. Iconians can't mind control. They basically just have energy blasts, self-teleportation, and lots of hitpoints.

I've been doing a rewatch of all 3 90s serieses in order by stardate.
This is it.
Today is Threshold day.

>>51905830
>Random events can't be random

So what's the Tholians deal?

>>51912018
Asshole crystal people from Venus like planets. Dabbled in time travel and shit. Professional assholes.

>>51912018
They're pretty cool, volcanic spider people are interesting and have interesting ship designs. Sucks that they're relegated to being random asshole race #27 but that's Cryptic quality for you.

>>51912018
Refugees from another galaxy, the initial fleet was but a tiny force (even though they brought an artificial planet-shell with them) and they were only capable of producing those tiny police vessels. They had a huge empire but it was overthrown quite spectacularly.

Allied with the Federation out of necessity, as they form a buffer zone between the Klingons and Romulans. But for the most part they are neutral, antagonised by Klingons and wary of the UFP.

>>51912411
Tholian poster, plz go.

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>>51912411
Who could be behind this post?

>>51913751
>*Resonates indignantly*

>>51909391
They also have DR/Klingon-Hair-dipped-in-magma-forged-iron.

Since we keep on hearing that starships in Trek can glass planets, which one above all others would you take the most satisfaction in do this to? Can be from any Trek setting. I would glass the Pakled homeworld just on principle alone.

>>51917999
Nausicaan homeworld.

Because fuck those guys.

>>51917999
>I would glass the Pakled homeworld just on principle alone.

Agreed. Violent passive-aggressive retards? Who need 'em.

>>51918103
>Nausicaan homeworld

Arrgh. We're pirates & thugs, always have been pirates & thugs, always will be pirates, and you have to put up with that because reasons.

Glass 'em.

>>51917999

Betazoid, if that's what's necessary to stop Luxanna Troi.

>>51918872
*Betazed

>>51917999
Talax. But it seems like the Haakonians bet me to it.

>>51917999
Kobali Prime. Fuck those retarded zombies.

>>51919132
Oh fuck I forgot about these purple shits. I change my answer from the Nausicaans to these corpse fuckers.

>Hey, we're desecrating the bodies of your dead loved ones, hope you're okay with that.
Why?
>It's how our species propagates
Implications are disturbing. Explain
>We bring them back to life with our weird science but they transform into one of us
Oh. That's not too bad. Many great people deserve a second chance
>But wiat! There's more! The resurrected then get so spend the next days to months gradually forgetting who or what they were until nothing of the old person remains, all the while they are aware of the process.
So you are in fact raiding out graves then resurrecting our loved ones so that they can suffer and die a second time. No wonder every fucker hates you and I'm definitely getting cremated you horrible people.
>It not our fault! We dindu nuffin! Evrabody jus misunderstandin us!

Thankfully they've mostly all congregated on one planet so we can wipe out 90% or more of the population with one Genesis torpedo.

>Kobali

Looking at their shit on memory alpha:

>Over a period of several months, the DNA of the reanimated lifeform was altered by means of a genetic pathogen that converted most of the alien's DNA into a Kobali protein structure. These biochemical changes affected every part of the body, leaving only trace amounts of the original being's DNA.

>The reanimating process involved more than merely "resurrecting" corpses and altering the DNA and physiology of the (formerly) deceased. They also trained the newly-reanimated to adapt to their culture and language. This was necessary to help acclimate the new Kobali as he or she adjusted to becoming a member of a new race. It also helped ease the shock of new Kobali finding themselves alive again, albeit in a completely different physiology and culture.

>they could reanimate those who had been dead for more than two weeks.

These guys must have been engineered. A pathogen that massively reforms a corpse, reanimates it and reprograms it? Gotta be artificial. I think they must have been a civilisation that went this way to preserve themselves after a massive die-off not related to war given they don't naturally seem to be soldiers.

How fresh a corpse is needed I must wonder, theoretically much of their population must come from heavily deteriorated bodies. Do most Kobali simply not remember their former existence because the brain material just isn't there? At what point do they become conscious beings again? How much damage can it fix?

Also fuck that episode, The Kobali were cult-level creepy with their YOU DON'T GET TO LEAVE shit, and Voyager's crew were spectacularly un-Star Fleet with their 'fuck off and be with your own kind, weirdo' attitude. Perfectly missed opportunity to add a new character to the ensemble who also wasn't shit.

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>>51919964
In STO, the Kobali happily volunteer to run the hospital ships during the last big campaign against the Vaadwuar.

>>51920455
>race that reproduces by claiming dead bodies of others
>volunteer to run hospital ships
really makes you think

>>51919521
>But wiat! There's more! The resurrected then get so spend the next days to months gradually forgetting who or what they were until nothing of the old person remains, all the while they are aware of the process.

That part was actually indicated to be pretty rare, the vast majority of Kobali wake up with no memories of their previous life. Humans just fuck everything up.

>>51919964
>These guys must have been engineered. A pathogen that massively reforms a corpse, reanimates it and reprograms it? Gotta be artificial.
They say as much in the episode. Something about massively screwing something up, killing their normal reproductive abilities, and this was the only way they could continue their species. My theory is that they were trying immortality, biological augmentation (like how they can do hyper-advanced math in their heads), or something along those lines, and this messed up their ability to properly reproduce.
>Voyager's crew were spectacularly un-Star Fleet with their 'fuck off and be with your own kind
But this happens in Trek again and again.

>>51921586
>But this happens in Trek again and again.
Retarded shit that shouldn't have made it past the script to shooting happened a lot. Doesn't make it right or good.

>>51922626
No it doesn't, but it does make it Trek. Especially because it happened repeatedly.

>>51922789
Perhaps, but it's not keeping to the ideals of star fleet by any means. Which is what I wrote: >spectacularly un-Star Fleet

>>51922861
>Perhaps, but it's not keeping to the ideals of star fleet by any means. Which is what I wrote: >spectacularly un-Star Fleet
Apparently it is, if they keep doing it. Maybe you just don't know what the ideals of Starfleet are. That's OK, because a lot of people are similarly confused on the subject. They project their own values on to the show (usually idealistic leftist values, but I've also seen right-wingers do the same thing), when there is plenty of on-screen evidence to the contrary, no matter what the writers or producers might say in interviews or whatever.

>>51923277
Pretty sure the ideals's were set out fairly clearly and it's just shit writers fucking up without justification for going against that. See Janeway's erratic application of the Prime Directive for a giant example. Or just the highly erratic application of it overall because it was initially just a dramatic device that made sense and later warped into some pseudo-religious commandment.

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Reminder that this alliance would be literally unstoppable

>>51924698
Pretty sure the Federation, Dominion, Borg, Voth, Undine/8472, and dozens of other space baddies could do it. Hell, post-Endgame, Voyager could do that all by itself.

which ship has the best ambient noise

>>51925917
Delta Flyer because the ambient noise is classic 1950s rock when Paris is flying it.

>>51925917
I'm a fan of the low-grumble of the Galaxy

>>51925917
I'll tell you this for nothing it sure as shit isn't the Breen skin on STO.

>>51924698
To bad they hate each other with a fiery passion

>>51928238
Well, There's always some asshole like the Duras family willing to put aside feuds for gaining power.

Now a Federation/Romulan alliance and perhaps more plausible, that'd be something impressive. And it was in the Dominion war too.

>>51928238
>>51929638
A Klingon-Romulan Alliance is basically what would have happened if the House of Duras won the Klingon Civil War instead of Gowron.

>>51929718
Given how much the Klingons of that era though hated Romulans, had Duras won, he'd still probably have been mired in civil war even after defeating Gowron, weakening the empire even more. All they had to do to kill his support was demonstrably show his Romulan backing and support just fell away.

Probably exactly as the Romulan's planned (backup plan anyway). A weak Klingon empire is practically as good as one allied to them, given they could just go and take stuff directly from whatever holdings Duras would have still had.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10408813

>Another event
What's going on? Is Cryptic compensating for something?

>>51931114
More likely they've noticed that people like events, and so are doing more of them.

>>51920479
Really makes your skin crawl, you mean.

Man I hate the Kobali.

>>51924054
What bothers me most about the Prime Directive is that the original wording is thus:

"It is forbidden to interfere in the natural development of viable pre-warp cultures."

Two notes:

1) It specifies "viable". Interference in cultures that are not "viable" for some reason (such as, say, their homeworld is about to lose its atmosphere or something) should be perfectly allowed.

2) It specifies "pre-warp". The Prime Directive has nothing to do with the Federation's interaction with, say, the Kobali or the Romulans.

>>51932385
I've long been confused by the citing of the prime directive as apparently a clear case for non-intervention in the Klingon Civil War of 2367 - 2368. Basically nothing about it applies by any standards. But. If they cited the Khitomer accords having a non-interference policy for internal Klingon matters, that'd make a fuckton more sense. Because of course the Klingons would love for the UFP to stay out of their shit when they go fight themselves. Half of them would want Star Fleet fighting with them just for the advantage, the other would see any intrusion as precursor to a takeover. So best to just stay out of it.

And barring the Romulan intervention would probably also be part of the terms of the alliance (different treaty I believe given that didn't happen until after Enterprise C got asploded) under a 'keep those pointy-eared bastards out of our shit if we're having internal debates because they always try and fuck both of us over' clause.

>>51926061
mein negro of superlative taste

>>51932615
Writers tended to jump on the Prime Directive as their get-out-of-jail-free clause for when they needed a reason for the crew to be restricted. I like to think that when captains refer to the Prime Directive, they're using it as a shorthand for the long list of rules and regulations that made up some sort of Book of Directives.

>>51931114
Such as real content? Impossible!

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>>51933106
That's a reasonable assumption. These days I'd kind of expect a show/setting to have built in a big list of narrative-ly useful directives and treaties to refer to in the setting bible, so there's a consistent list for characters like Savik to quote. Helps continuity and all that.

Like the technobabble generator, it actually could be a useful tool for RPG's sake to have one, since having some regulations would help develop the narrative and characters for when they might need a guiding poke in a suitable direction or giving them something to try and work around without being court martial'd.
Don't need to list everything, just some bits here and there so when dealing with someone like Captain Jellico, there's actual regulations to point at that he's tight about that others are more lax on since they will directly affect characters rather than just be implied for the sake of the story.

>>51931114
They have a whole weekend of data to analyze to make more nerfs, and events (especially reruns) are easy. Plus, it gets >muh metrics when they don't have any new content.

>>51934322
You could probably take some of the pre-existing treaties and flesh them out a bit more. The Khitomer accords in relation to the Klingons and all their client races, the Treaty of Algeron for the Romulans and then just star making up names for treaties between the UFP and other minor powers.

As for Starfleet General Orders, ST Minutiae went and made this:
http://www.st-minutiae.com/articles/treaties/general_orders.html

I think their can be much fun in playing someone from the 23rd century lost in the 25th.

"Let me tell you about Jim Kirk." And just this long rant about how awful he was because you weren't on the enterprise and you weren't buddies with him and you thought the dude to be a blow hard, a show boater, and damn near dragged the Federation into war several times.

"Greatest hero my ass!"

>>51937148

so essentially Agents of Yesterday

>>51937659
I guess? I don't play STO.

>>51937678

you just kinda described it haha

>>51937792
The time lost bit?

Or the casual disregard of Kirk?

>>51938049
Both really. All the captains are ignored. Kirk is ignored worse because we get tons of Scotty and Chekov, but none of him.

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>>51937075
Damn, that's neat.

Discovery has been delayed again.

>>51938652
At least they've actually started filming this time

>>51938081
That's because all the captains are expensive, while Doohan's son and Walter are not expensive.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm glad they didn't just have Mignogna play Kirk because he was really good as Garrett.

>>51938081
While we get voice acting from other enterprise bridge crew members a'la old voice archives from the series.

>>51937678
In STO you can start a feddie character who starts in TOS era, goes through some missions, gets to talk with Enterprise crew and then gets transported to future.

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Post MSDs

>>51899084
>>51899084
My group is thinking about doing a Star Trek game as a side thing.

How do the different games compare to each other? And other than Lasers and Feelings, is there on that's not too crunchy and pretty easy to learn/run?

>>51944529
If you're looking for rule-light, go for L&F or Far Trek. The others are far too technical for a casual run.

>>51943730
Down side being that you only get to choose between the 4 founding members of the Federation at character creation.

Can't choose generic Alien and have the option of HOLY SHIT levels of customization.

>>51945549
Pretty much the only time period where the Vulcans weren't assholes so I tend to pick them.

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>>51944262

>>51937148
I was just saying this the other day, though it wasn't limited to Kirk.

>"Why do modern phasers look like hand vacuums?"
>"We hate the Klingons! We fight wars with the Klingons! Were all those ships lost at Caleb IV for nothing? Was Archer just wasting photonic torpedoes when he blew up Duras?"
>"Why doesn't anything have physical buttons anymore?"
>"What do you mean, 'there's creatures that live inside the transporter stream?' There IS no inside the transporter stream!"
>"'Warp 10 is infinite speed' is the most retarded thing I've ever heard of."
>"Why isn't gold the command color anymore?"
>"THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PRIME DIRECTIVE IS."

>>51945549
That's for the best, though. The entire point of that part of the game is that you're basically in the 60s. They even have a grainy filter and everything.

Having a Cardassian or Jem-Hadar looking motherfucker wouldn't make any sense. There wasn't the budget for that back then.

Mind, it would have been cool to have an Alien option but with extremely limited customization options to ensure that you look like something that could have fit in back in the 60s.

>>51947379
OH SWEET JESUS I NEED TO PLAY THAT!

HIs first act of command? Stripping out all the consoles and putting in physical switches.

Also if anything can be made to have a simpler but more reliable variation it has it.

Holodeck is dismantled pretty fucking quick.

Oh his ship the old uniforms are mandatory. Fuck what the Admiral "I fucked your grandmother" Kensy has to say.

>>51947379
>"THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PRIME DIRECTIVE IS."

This is the only one that has validity and isn't just an old man being angry at change.
And even then it's arguable unless the wording has significantly changed on the directive.

>>51947476
Wording might not have changed but application sure as shit has.

Kirk era it was to prevent UFP member states from becoming rampantly imperialistic.

Picard era it's a sacrosanct commandment not to interferer with the destiny of the unenlightened or it might upset the cosmic plan.

>>51947658
Is that so surprising? Kirk and Picard are removed from one another by a century. The UFP has evolved over the course of time to be whatever it has to be in order to survive and thrive.

>>51948815
Yes it is surprising. The UFP is supposed to be a bastion of civility and the Starfleet is supposed to be a humanitarian institution.

>>51948815
The difference is that in Kirk's era, if the Enterprise came across a pre-warp Iron Age planet that had a failing atmosphere, Kirk would endeavor to fix the problem, and if it was unfixable, would attempt to evacuate as many people as the Enterprise could hold, on the idea that even if he's saving only a few hundred out of tens of millions, it would be utterl reprehensible to not lift a finger to save any of them.

In Picard's era, if the Enterprise came across a planet with the same problem, he'll just sit in orbit and watch tens of millions of people die, because "it's not his place" to intervene or play god and choose who gets to live and who doesn't.

By the way, this isn't an example picked out at random, Picard ACTUALLY DD THIS:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Homeward_(episode)

Nikolai Rozhenko is the hero the Federation needs but doesn't deserve.

I'll admit what bothers me most about this episode is less Picard not lifting a finger to save the Borealans, and more that the fandom seems to have forgiven Picard for this (and indeed has even selectively forgotten it for the most part), and yet runs Archer through the ringer and will never forgive him for his actions in "Dear Doctor", even though, while broadly similar, Archer's actions were by orders of magnitude not as bad.

>>51949206
Not just surprising, it's straight up bad.
When the only argument against interference is having to do some spiel about destiny, somebody somewhere has fucked up when writing the scenario.

In TOS pretty much all those violations of the prime directive were reasonably justifiable (once they'd invented the prime directive halfway through the series anyway). For some reason later they seemed to have a lot more trouble coming up with reasons to break it despite situations being fairly clear. Probably some directive from ol' Gene or Berman. Prime directive suddenly became press this button for easy drama, except it clearly wasn't easy drama given the amount they fucked it up.

>>51947476
>This is the only one that has validity and isn't just an old man being angry at change.

Not hardly. Guns are shaped the way they are for a reason. The hand-vacuum design on phasers in the 25th century would be harder to accurately aim than a 23rd-century pistol design (though the 23c design itself is hardly ideal; it's still better than the hand vacuum one, though)

Time and again it has been shown that the Klingons have no interest in permanent peace. Without a major change to their culture, any alliance with them is doomed to eventual failure. Consider that it took less than 50 years for the Khitomer Accords to start breaking down (before Narendra III happened to re-affirm them); and less than 30 years after that for them to break entirely when the Klingon-Cardassian War broke out. Then in STO they break AGAIN, after just another 30 years, when the Klingons invaded Gorn space and then attacked the Federation. Consider as well that even during times of peace, the Federation being at peace with the Klingons is tacit approval of their way of life, which includes warfare, torture, and slavery.

The physical button thing is a valid point if you are concerned with making things too complex. Ideally, all technology should be a quest towards the smallest number of moving parts. All the buttons on screens will cease to function correctly if the screen is broken; physical buttons like on a keyboard might break individually but that doesn't render the whole board inoperable.

The idea of there being an "inside the transporter universe" thing is stupid. Fortunately it only came up in one episode of TNG. And it was actually a pretty decent episode. But stupid.

Warp 10 being infinite speed IS stupid. It's like saying that you can't ever reach 100 miles per hour, just get closer and closer. It's a stupid, limiting scale that starts getting absurd when you have ships that can travel at warp 9.99999.

Gold being the command color...is just griping, yes.

>>51949669
>>51949786
The question is whether saving a race of primitives is worth turning them into a race of religious fanatics. "Who Watches The Watchers" was bad enough and all they did was save one dude who wasn't even dead. Now you have an entire race who just got scooped from their home by what from their perspective is an all-powerful god.

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>>51899417
>that little burst of dopamine every time the Defiant goes PEW PEW PEW

>>51949973
That's not even remotely a justification. Saving lives is better than not saving lives. Every time. No exceptions.

If the people start worshipping you as a religious figure, well, then you put on your big boy pants and explain to them that you're not, in no uncertain terms. And if they still don't buy it...oh well, at least you tried. Maybe leave behind some commandments that spell out in no uncertain terms that Thou Shalt Not Kill or something to try and prevent any religious shenanigans from happening. But even if they do, we're talking about a few hundred people with Bronze Age level technology, it's not like they can possibly be a harm to anyone else in the galaxy for several thousand years yet. Probably even longer given that they need to breed up a bunch.

Although it also strikes me as rather arrogant to presume that all less-advanced people will think that people with more advanced technology are gods. That didn't happen on Earth for any protracted length of time. Even the Aztecs weren't fooled for very long by the Spaniards.

These people would be primitive - not stupid.

>>51949886
>All the buttons on screens will cease to function correctly if the screen is broken

I suppose you've never watched the show, where consoles literally explode but still function as normal. They're probably more durable than the tech in TOS.

>>51950483
Eh, good point. I stand by everything else.

>>51950129
This.

Seriously there's gotta be some guidelines if not outright specialist teams that get sent in to deal with cultural contamination from alien sources.

>>51950993
I also think it's notable that in the best/only good scenes in Star Trek Into Darkness - the Planet Nibiru scenes and the follow-up chewing out of Kirk by Pike - the Admiral was less pissed off at Kirk for violating the Prime Directive, and more pissed off at the fact that he lied about doing so on an official report.

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Posting some pics.

>>51949206
>a nation espouses civility, freedom and common decency whilst acting monstrously to less developed nations and threatening war against all of its neighbours

It's almost like the Federation is a direct reflection of the US at any given point in time.

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>>51951491
And the last one for tonight.

>>51951491
I quite like this shot

>>51951491
hat the heck kind of ships are those in the upper right corner of your picture, anon? They look interesting.

>>51950126
>The satisfaction of watching Starfleet ships get consumed by plasma.

Back during STO's production, particularly after Cryptic got the license, I remember there being a satirical fan comic with a female Andorian comic. I can't remember what the language was, but I know it was European and it wasn't English.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? I've scoured Google to hell and back and can't find a trace of it.

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>>51951491
good god, anon, that hull texture

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>>51954725
Any notion what language it was in? That would be a help.

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>>51956768
I'm almost certain it was French, come to think of it. I actually think it was made by an Asian-French arist.

>>51956796
>>51956860

This is a blueboard, dumbass.

>>51956898
Well I'm looking but so far all I've found are French political cartoons focusing on the the city state of Andora, a few star trek comics translated into French and a not inconsiderable quantity of Trek themed pornography.

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>>51956960
You're a blue board.

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>>51954644
The top right ship looks to be one of the Temporal dreadnoughts. Behind it is, I think, one of the Starfleet Pilot cruisers. The only image I have of it is pic related.

>>51957024
Yeah, it seems like it was ripped off the face of the internet.

Finding it isn't some end-all be-all for me of course, it's just something that pops up in my head on occasion.

>>51950129

So much this.

There is pretty much nothing the Federation can do to a pre-warp species that is worse than extinction. As long as they survive then they at least have a fighting chance. Hell, even if contact with an advanced race does completely screw them up for a generation or a hundred, they at least still have an opportunity for a better future at some point down the road- and any chance at a better future is better than the 0.00% chance they have if they're just allowed to be snuffed out without anyone lifting a finger.

Seriously, while there are plenty of bad Trek episodes, Homeward is actually outright disturbing. It should be rejected by the community as strongly as Threshold or ST V.

>>51957692
>Seriously, while there are plenty of bad Trek episodes, Homeward is actually outright disturbing. It should be rejected by the community as strongly as Threshold or ST V.

I think it generally is. It's treated with the same collective amnesia.

I will, however, point you to the episode "First Contact". Whilst speaking to the President of a new prospective Warp 1 civilization, Starfleet's strict policy of non interference comes up. Picard states that this has something to do with a past event, where Starfleet intervened in the natural evolution of another race that went on to terrorize and wage war against the Federation.

Ya see, total non-interference has always been the letter of the law when it comes to the prime directive. However, for a long time, Starfleet had a laissez faire attitude to it and were more interested in the spirit of the law. If your actions could be justified as the morally necessary thing to do, then you'd get a chewing out, a slap on the ass and then sent on your way. Nocourt martial or dis-commendation required.

I figure that the Incident that Picard mentioned changed that. There was such public outrage that Starfleet was forced to be stricter when administering the Prime Directive and this ultimately led to the much more ambivalent Starfleet of the early TNG era.

>>51957888
And even then, Starfleet is understanding if breaking the Prime Directive is for good reasons. It was even mentioned in Drumhead that Picard had violated the Prime Directive nine times prior to that episode, and he obviously didn't get any flack for any of it.

The thing with "well obviously you should try to save a species from going extinct" is, how far do you go with that? It's simply not realistically possible, even in the Star Trek Space Magic setting, for Starfleet to go around acting as everyone's nanny. So if there are limits, where do you set the limit? Intelligent life? How do you define intelligence when even in the 24th century they were struggling with that question? And if you're saving one species by transplanting them somewhere else, do you not see you could be driving other species to extinction via the introduction of a non-native invasive species to their ecosystem?

Like, obviously it's a shitty situation, but the Federation probably considers it a necessary evil because they have neither the resources nor the omniscience required to effectively play god across the galaxy.

>>51957888
>I think it generally is. It's treated with the same collective amnesia.

But when Archer and Phlox decide to not give a cure to the Valakians for a genetic disorder that they still have 200 years to cure before they're all gone, he's never forgiven, it's never forgotten, and called worse than Hitler, even though their reasoning was internally consistent with how evolution has been shown to work in the magical fantasy land of Star Trek (which is not remotely like it does in the real world).

I find it very hard to not hate Trekkies sometimes.

>Picard states that this has something to do with a past event, where Starfleet intervened in the natural evolution of another race that went on to terrorize and wage war against the Federation.

The species he was talking about were the Klingons, which for several years lead fans to believe that the Federation gave Klingons warp technology. We learned in Deep Space 9, however, that Klingons actually got their warp technology from the Hur'q at some point in human antiquity, before humans even had internal combustion engines, let alone warp drives.

I actually still encounter people who are pissed off at warp-capable Klingons in Enterprise based on "First Contact". These same people tend to name DS9 as their favorite Star Trek series.

It's a small wonder that I ever got over my hatred for Trekkies.

>>51957998
>to effectively play god across the galaxy.

Calling it "playing god" is an excuse. You're not playing god. You're playing a mortal being who has the ability to help. The question is whether or not you have the will.

For my part, I'mma use my favorite version of a certain comic book character's mantra: If you have the power to do good, then you have the moral obligation to do good.

I.e., with great power comes great responsibility. But I prefer the version from the first Amazing Spider-Man movie.

>>51951462
Speaking of which, if Trump follows through with putting us on Mars by 2026 Trek will probably be so far diverged from reality we'll never get another show.

>>51959498
What do you mean? Trek is already diverged from our reality, unless you're aware of a nuclear war in the 90s that killed 30 million people that I'm not.

>>51959540
I was more referring to the physics side of things. It's the same reason Jules Verne isn't more popular today.

>>51959540
Fuck that war, I was late to work twice. Fucking nukes. Well, back to work for the genetic supermen.

>>51959540
The Eugenics War was Pokemon. Khan was Mewtwo.

>>51959498
No I don't think you get it anon, we are the ones living in the mirror universe. ALL HAIL THE TERRAN EMPIRE!

>>51961876
But that timeline works even less because we'd have to have been THE terran empire for nearly a century by now.

>>51961888
It's never too late to start.

Nice trips btw.

>>51959326
>You're playing a mortal being who has the ability to help. The question is whether or not you have the will.

That's what playing god means. All power and no foresight.

>>51961957
By that logic, every doctor plays God every day. You think the doctor who helped treat Hitler's gas wounds in World War I knew what the ultimate consequences of his actions would be?

Whatever playing god *means*, its *use* almost invariably comes from people who are intimidated by the fact that they can't predict an outcome with 100% certainty and so would rather do nothing at all.

>>51961957
Fair point. We should make all medical practice illegal. Unless you can say with absolute 100% certainty that the child you save today isn't going to be tomorrow's Mao you shouldn't lift a finger to help them.

Might also want to look at basic agriculture as well. Reordering the land like that, producing food for the masses, directing the evolution of animals. It all sounds pretty God like.

Also education and tool makeing. Imparting wisdom to the unenlightened and fashioning things to overcome limitations is all bordering on godly behaviour. We better stop that shit.

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Miniskirts or no miniskirts, STG?

>>51962638
Miniskirts.

>>51962638
With the unattractive women a modern hollywood production would hire, miniskirts would be horrific. The answer is always miniskirts however. A damn shame we never got to see Kira in one.

>>51962658

Shame she didn't get thrown back in Trials and Tribble-ations, yes.

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>>51962638
Miniskirts

>>51962676
Sad news anon, those actually have built in shorts for men. They're also called "skants" which may be the least attractive name for a set of clothing ever.

>>51962201
>>51962610
So much insecurity on display tonight. I was not disagreeing with a suggestion, I was pointing out a lack of genre savvy.

>>51962686
>wearing a skirt
>not even getting to freeball

What's the fucking point?

>>51962658
>With the unattractive women a modern hollywood production would hire,

Eh, Into Darkness did very well with young Carol Marcus and her miniskirt

>>51962710
Insecurity about what? I'm just pointing out the massive amounts of stupidity in the not playing God argument.

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>yfw a general about spaceships and exploration manages to have a more civil discussion about morality than /pol/

>>51962875
That's because we tend to be more obsessive. It's also right and well to say this is this way but then we start to wonder why this is so and what it's implications are if given time and other variables.

Or maybe it's because of less Australians bringing the bantz.

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Does Starfleet have a strict "you must have top legs to work here" policy?

>>51963020
Given the availability, safety and effectiveness of body modification surgeries in the UFP there is no excuse for ugly.

>>51963043

Is there really?

>>51963020
Mostly they just want you to be in shape. Starfleet is a pseudo-military after all.

>>51963064
With the amount of surgery endured by the TNG bridge officers with no ill effects I would say yes.

Also Profit and Lace.

>>51963285

Not sure body mods are that common

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>>51963043
>Given the availability, safety and effectiveness of body modification surgeries in Ghost In The Shell there is no excuse for ugly.

>>51963285
>>51963327
They basically only ever use it in the show for infiltration purposes.

>>51964473
Like most things in Star Trek it is introduced and then forgotten about rather than it being taken to any sensible conclusion.

Like the sub-space transporters.

Or the phase-cloak.

Or the extra-dimensional transporters.

Or that wave effect warp-drive replacement technology.

Or the uses of telepathy.

Or beneficial genetic engineering.

Or the ease at which artificial intelligence is repeatably created.

Or the ease at which time travel is achieved.

Or beneficial cybernetic augmentation.

Or the probability distorting machine.

And that's without touching anything in the TOS series.

>>51964473

Yeah they turned Kirk into a Romulan way way back in TOS

>>51965361
Pointy ears aren't exactly difficult, to be fair.

>>51966762
Either is wearing an old red and orange carpet, getting down on all fours and pretending to be a Horta but that's just the nature of star trek.

>>51966803
NO
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>>51966803
That carpet was definitely one of star trek's greatest aliens.

>>51966835
Just imagine what they could do with a rubber boat, a bicycle and a pogo stick...

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>>51966848
I'm not even joking though, it was the most obviously inhuman intelligent alien they had that wasn't some (usually giant) monster like the crystalline entity.
And for some reason they pretty much gave up on doing those after a while.

>>51967268
The lava monster with the multiple eyes that made fake Lincoln and got Kirk to do the worth good vs evil thing was at least trying to be better than any other shit TNG tried at that size. It was cheesy from our pov now but at least it was impressive for it's time. They needed to do make out there stuff in TNG to be frank.

>>51959498
>if Trump follows through with putting us on Mars by 2026

Moonbase and Marsbase are pretty much the baseline for silly shit Presidents and Prime-Ministers promise to do, because they sound cool in theory but you can put them on the chopping block the moment money becomes tight with basically no argument. I'll point you to George W. Bush's Moonbase by the early 2020's promise for reference.

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>>51970119
This. Was gonna mention Bush's promised re-expansion of space exploration too.

>>51966848
Add in some maple syrup and you've basically got the Sheliac

>>51959540
>Trek is already diverged from our reality

How sure of that are you? Bell Riots in 2024 are looking more and more plausible.

>>51959498
On the contrary, canonically the first lunar colonies and manned visits to Mars happened in the middle of World War 3. Probably for military reasons, since as we all know rocks dropped from the moon have the force of over a hundred nukes.

>>51972054
>How sure of that are you?

Very, since there was no nuclear war with 30 million deaths between 1992 and 1996; nor was a Millennium Gate Tower built in the first few years of the 2000s in Indiana.

>>51973632
Okay, in fairness, it's Indiana. They could have Atlantis hidden there in all that corn and FUCKING NOTHING they have, and no one would know. ESPECIALLY Indiana.

>>51974344
i dont know why i love the Oberth class so much

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>>51972126

>Probably for military reasons, since as we all know rocks dropped from the moon have the force of over a hundred nukes.

>>51972126
>>51976234
I really want the kinetic bombardment meme to fucking die

>>51973632
>>51975856

We should just bulldoze Gary.

Also, maybe we could build the Millennium Gate there too.

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>>51976059
It's kinda neat. Very basic, minimalist ship, tiny crew, specialised focus in design of go somewhere and scan the fuck out of it. And the design is good because a whole load of different concepts were forwarded and refined (including physical models) before they picked one, by the same team that brought us the Excelsior and Klingon Bird of prey. All in the same movie too come to think of it.

I think the warp core should be laid laterally though rather than a short vertical as in the pic there. But that unconventional connection between the halves adds something, like it could be reinterpreted akin to the Miranda's rollbar as thing that's there so the secondary hull is basically just a pod that could be changed out, making the primary hull into an incredibly useful utility craft. In fact I've even seen a version of the Oberth with that rollbar fitted, making it into a small but fighty craft. Good enough for a police vessel at least. I think it could probably even be fitted with those standardised tube-pod things that Franz Joseph came up with. Get rid of the TOS paint and add some more detailing in blue/grey and they'd fit in with the TMP-era style.

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I also like the Paris/Capella/Ptolemy class ships of SFM and Franz Joseph as the lineage for the Miranda and Oberth to grow out of as ships that can easily have additional stuff attached (like all those Miranda variants we've seen); beats the usual fan-made method of just making a TOS-looking version of the latter ships and calling it good too.

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>>51976454

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>>51976315

>implying it isn't hilarious that someone running for Congress seriously exposed this view

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>>51976703
These tug designs always look so silly

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>>51978726
I prefer space-freight trains, honestly.

I think the thing that disappoints me the most about Trek is the large lack of ships shown in the setting that aren't warships. The universe just seems way too empty without all the civilian traffic. You should always see ships in orbit or coming and going from planets.
>>51976703
>>51979801
More of these just in the background would be great.

>>51980431
There's a decent few in DS9. I'm pretty sure they reused models from various "distress call of the week" alien ships in TNG and had a few of them tooling around, docked with the station or otherwise present.

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>>51981703
The Husnock vessel, I know, got re-used for damn near everything:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/husnock.htm

Huh, there's a ship I'd love to see added to STO...though I wouldn't want to add the Husnock race, as bringing them in kind of undercuts what the Douwd did.

PHOENIX PACKS HAVE RETURNED!

>>51982824
Actually, yeah, there's a thought. A mission that takes place on the Husnock homeworld, which has been empty for decades by this point since the Douwd wiped them all out. DaiMon Madran is back and is plundering the place for Husnock technology; you have to stop him because it turns out the Husnock had some pretty neat stuff that really shouldn't be on the black market (FED) and/or you want it all for yourself (KDF) and/or you just really don't like Madran (ROM).

Maybe take the opportunity to expand on the Husnock a bit in order to add to the tragedy of them being wiped out - like, they were similar to the Cardassians, controlled by a fascist military that was bent on expansion across the galaxy and didn't care what happened to other races. But the average Husnock on the street wasn't any better or worse than any other species. But they were all wiped out because one Husnock warship fucked up and attacked a place it shouldn't have.

I don't think you could stretch that out over an entire season, but as a special episode or something, that'd be neat.

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>>51982824
>The Husnock vessel, I know, got re-used for damn near everything

Could be worse, could be the upper hull of the D'Deridex, which Enterprise used for the Mazerites, Illyrians and at least 1 other race.

Come to think of it, Enterprise was pretty bad for reusing elements like that:
The Xindi Marsupials, Telarites and Discount-Darmock-Episode-Aliens all used the exact same cruiser.
The Telarite trading station was just a colour-shifted Cardassian shipyard.
I'm nearly certain that the same shuttle model as "Alice" from voyager cropped up a few times.

I'm not saying that the other shows didn't do the same thing, but it just seemed less egregious because they would either use the model as "generic trade ship" or specifically tie the design to one race.

>>51983043
>Could be worse, could be the upper hull of the D'Deridex, which Enterprise used for the Mazerites, Illyrians and at least 1 other race.

Oh, I wasn't complaining by any means. There's only so much budget and time to go around. Kitbashing makes a lot more sense then coming up with a new ship every time you need one.

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>>51983009
Would work for several RPG sessions. Got some investigating, maybe some combat in space and on the ground, diplomacy going on between the sides and independents.

Could have it start out with running across a Harry Mudd-like figure selling off bits and pieces, investigating leading back to the homeworld and then engage in shenanigans from there.

>>51982824
>>51983069
I miss the days of physical models. There was something so satisfying about the way they looked.

>>51983009
And now I'm REALLY thinking about things...how about the next STO season centers on following up on some stuff from TNG? With no particular storyline, just a series of episodes involving exploring worlds and the occasional bit of combat for people like that. The Husnock could be one; maybe a follow-up on the Malcorians (From the episode "First Contact") are another. Toss in the Sheliak, why not.

>>51983134
Nope, gotta have Space Mary Sue Part 2.0: This Time With Less Balance And More Protomatter.

STO NEWS.

Phoenix packs have returned and with them the value of Dilitium has risen!

Old exchange rate
>289 dil = 1 zen
New exchange rate
>252 dil = 1 zen

>>51983325
Do note that prices are fluctuating heavily.

>>51983325
>>51983371
Mother F U C K, I literally just sunk all my dil into Zen before the price drop

Man I really wish there was a Dominion playable faction in STO where you can play Cardassians, Breen etc

>>51985082
Cryptic has apparently teased folks about them in the past.
Lord knows if we ever do get those fellas.
Until then all you can do is make alien character and mash their faces till they either look like Cardassians or Jem hurr durr.
Also there are still those couple of missions that give you a jem hadar and a breen bridge officer.

>>51985205
Supposedly Cardassians would be the next playable faction, if another faction was ever produced.

>>51985270
That was what they said before TOS-era feddies were added.

>>51985312
Welp lets hope it comes after this then. Keep on dreaming fellas.

>>51985312
They're basically a skin. The TOS-feddies get all of 10 unique missions.

>>51985383
5 i think, that temporal agent story line that has those 4 episodes that shift around the season list as you take care of them is available to regular captains too.

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>>51984366
>Pic Related
There is always that one hooman with small lobes that just can't catch a break.

>>51984366
Anon... How much dil did you drop?

>>51985460
>>51985496
Not as bad as I thought it'd be; relative newfag with no alts so far, but I've probably lost about 30k dil if I changed it all back now.

Should I? I nabbed a decent amount of the non-ridiculously rare good stuff lasts time around - should I just sink more dil into zen while the prices are low, or stock up on phoenix upgrades? Is there anything new in the box?

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>>51985572
Dunno if there is anything new in the box to be honest, and id say wait till tomorrow and then check the dil prizes, after that sell dil and hang on to that zen and grind more.
The phoenix boxes are highly random in nature, hell, last time they were around i got 100 of them and pic related is what i got.
I managed to get a dilithium tribble and a red matter capacitor and then turned almost everything (except for those rare tokens) into upgrade tokens which i then burned during the recent upgrade event, managing to get my alts weapons to XIV tier with two to golden and rest to very rare or exceedingly rare as well as gilded rest of my mains ship equipment.

So, unless you have tons of dil to burn, don't bother with the boxes, just grab the one free one you get per day from Drozana and see what that sucker has eaten.

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Gonna post couple of pics and then go to bed.

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>>51986281

>>51985460
Greed is Eternal

>>51987821
See this way I both hate and love the Fenergi. They are the only guys who really get the universe.

>>51982980
>>51983325
Fug, I still haven't rebuilt my dil from last time.

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>>51979801
>space trains

I hear the ship a comin'
It's warpin' 'round the bend
And I ain't seen the sunshine
Since, I don't know when

I'm stuck in Rura Penthe
And time keeps draggin' on
But that ship keeps a-warpin'
On down to Earth and home

When I was just a baby
My Mama told me, "Son
Always be a good boy
Don't ever play with guns"

But I shot a man in Vega
Just to watch him die
When I hear that whistle blowin'
I hang my head and cry

I bet there's rich folks eatin'
From a fancy dining car
They're probably drinkin' coffee
And smokin' big cigars

Well, I know I had it comin'
I know I can't be free
But those people keep a-movin'
And that's what tortures me

Well, if they freed me from this prison
If that warp three ship was mine
I bet I'd move it all a little
Farther down the line

Far from Rura Penthe
That's where I want to stay
And I'd let that lonesome whistle
Blow my blues away

>>51899964
Compile it all together and you can basically copy-paste it into pastebin

>>51983325

a little birdie told me that a Galaxy bridge is coming soon

>>51989990
What, another one? Or do you mean to say a full Galaxy interior? Either way, hype.

>>51991218

full

>>51989990
Where can one find the leaks for STO these days, with IQ being dead?

>>51992225
An Orion's panties?

>>51992225

datamining didn't go away it's just not as public

>>51993405
The way they were public in past was retarded.
>Leak pics of ships
>Folks post em on other forums
>REEEEEEE WE WANT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT!
>Plaster a watermark on pic
>Folks cut out the watermark because the watermark also says where to find the leaks
>REEEE STOP STANDING BETWEEN US AND GLORY!
>Plaster watermarks all across the pic
>Act surprised when cryptic finds you and shuts you down

>>51993405
I know, but that's why I want to know where it is. So I can TELL CRYPTIC AND GET IT SHUT DOWN AGAI- I mean, er, I want to know the things...

>>51993620
I like the way mister Citpyrc thinks.

What does STO's endgame consist of?

>>51994297
Running across the galaxy once a day in order to get tons of energy credits, going to some STFs (group activity where you go to STO version of a dungeon to kill enemies and earn dilithium), slotting in admiralty missions and duty officer missions of which you just get an akcnowledgement at end of how it went for the crew and ships, grinding dilithium, refining dilithium and waiting for events where you can get more dilithium and random stuff, waiting for new episode (story mission) and occasionally burning your dilithium on stuff like rep gear, fleet gear or exchanging it to zen and buying a new ship or some other random stuff.

>>51994352
Oh yes and also re-doing some story missions in order to unlock late game tier item sets to run with till you get something good.

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>>51997430
To be fair, part of that is a result of the damage effect that ships get under 75, and then 50, percent hull integrity.

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>>51997505
I know, it sucks i can no longer just drive next to the mirror ships while having mirror hull material on and they just react to me like i was one of their own.

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>>51997683
Would you like it if i posted some more pics of old style MU ships? I took quite a few pics back in the days before they revamped sector space and reworked the terrans.

>>51997430
>>51997505
Holy shit, I never paid attention to the hull damage effects - I think I just came a little

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>>51998298
It's kinda hard to notify since you either keep your health at 100 or close to it at all times or you are very close to getting wiped.
Also hull healing tends to take them away pretty soon after you exit combat, so taking good pics of that stuff is pretty hard.

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>tfw no Breen main character.

>>51999781
BRVRGRZRV!

>>51999781
>>51999858
>thot patrol

>>52000215
Fuck that made me laugh harder than it should've.

>>51997430
As far as I can tell, all that model is the excelsior refit with the resolute class (T6 excelsior) nacelle pylons.

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>>52000285
>mixing hulls

>>51997430
i really just want my Mirror Nebula class so i can have the I.S.S. prefix

>>51988320
Do they though? They come across like hangers-on at the edges of various great powers.

>>52002497
I wish the Ferengi had been explored more as a serious race. Don't get me wrong, I loved the more lighthearted episodes they had but I always wondered what event in their history caused them to so fully embrace the Rules of Aquisition and enter in to cultural stagnation.

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>>52003861
>I always wondered what event in their history caused them to so fully embrace the Rules of Aquisition and enter in to cultural stagnation.
I suspect it was a hostile takeover of the government and educational systems by someone who wanted to replace their ancient culture with simple business and greed. It would fit with the overall archetype of Ferengi as Space Jews.

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>>52004651
It's a shame that this is the most likely answer.


I always liked to think that the Ferengi had been around for a long, long time. We're talking millennia. They oringinally started out as idealistic, peaceful explorers. They travelled vast areas of space and endured for centuries.

But over time they noticed a trend. Great Empires would rise, thrive and then, with no clear cause, simply fade into nothingness. These ancient Ferengi went looking for a cause. What they found was devastating.

By all their calculations, all their studies, post-scarcity was the problem. A society can sustain Post-Scarcity tech and principles, but eventually it loses its raison d'etre. Over time, entire species simply stop trying and embrace oblivion, like some sort of philosophical mass extinction.

Not wishing to follow suit. The Ferengi devised a bold strategy to survive. They rejected post scarcity and created false scarcity through the use of an arbitrary currency, rooted in 2 durable substances, latinum and gold.

Over time, the Ferengi developed a social construct and religion around this currency. Then, in order to secure their success, they erased their early history and waited a few generations. In time, the Ferengi became what we know today.

>>51933335
bread and circuses!!!

>>52005922
Your explanation sounds like it would be the propaganda the other guy's space Jews tell their kids in school.

>>52004651
Don't you mean Space Trump's America?

>>52008119
Fuck off back to tumblr. Correcting for Trek's inherent anti nationalist bias, the best analog would be John Paxton from ENT: Terra Prime.

>>52008189
>bias
That's too weak of a word. Nationalism is portrayed again and again and again as something that ultimately weakens a nation. It's why to Federation and Dominion are more technological advanced than almost everyone else.

Nationalism leads to stagnation and bad decision making.

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>>52010650

Are any of the Trek novels worth it? People have mentioned Destiny and Typhon Pact here before and I was just wondering if any of them would be worth paying money for?

>>52011874
I really enjoyed the recent Prey trilogy.

>>52012362
What's it about?

>>52011874
Destiny (and the whole arc surrounding it) is...
>Fun, in terms of "the entire Alpha Quadrant suddenly gets fucked" and getting some good space battle porn and angst out of it
>Meh, in terms of how much funner it could've been (such as, how in a previous /stg/ we discussed what the contents of the UFP's pic related would be and whether or not they'd be used).
>Absolutely fucking disgusting, in terms of the plot holes and deus ex machinas yes, even by Trek's standards that suddenly spring up if you think about the whole thing for more than about 30 seconds, or if your suspension of disbelief isn't built out of solid neutronium.
tl;dr: Fun, but poorly executed and seems like a climax to the setting, to the point that all further books seem redundant. Shark jumping aplenty.

Never read Typhon Pact, but they basically seem to be the only post-Destiny books that don't seem redundant.

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>>52013734
forgot pic related

>>52011874
Invasion series from the early-mid 90's was at least readable. I haven't read them in a long time, so I don't know how they hold up. I think the TOS and TNG books were better than the other two, though that just may be because I was a dumb kid that didn't like DS9 at the time.

>>52013734
Full Circle is decent, mainly because they decide to do something smart and get the fuck away from the main setting so they can do their own thing.

>>52014060
>because they decide to do something smart and get the fuck away from the main setting so they can do their own thing.

A tragically underused tactic in Sci-Fi. People make the mistake of constantly upping the stakes until there's nowhere to go. Just look at STO. Short of going to war with the Q Continuum, they can't go anywhere but down. Which is fine. I just wish they could grasp that.

>>52014417
>Short of going to war with the Q Continuum

Damn it, don't give Cryptic ideas.

What if the Milky Way is finally invaded by the Andromedans?

>>52014948
Or what if there is a generic insect/lizard race that comes from outside the galaxy and starts eating our galaxy?

>>52014060
Honestly, Full Circle was the first thing I read out of the arc so all of my praise for angst and most of my praise for spess battles are based on it desu.

>>52014417
Honestly, that's why I have a soft spot for the Cardie arc in STO, in spite of KURLAND HERE also the abundance of shield draining gear may have something to do with it. No ancient evils awakening, no iconians screeching "reeeee lesser beings please go", just Suddenly Jem'Hadar, What Do?

>>52015021
>[honesty intensifies]
I'm such a fucking autist

>>52015044
>he wrote in a star trek thread on the tabletop games board of 4chan

>>52015021 (me)
>>52015044 (me)
>>52015068
Exactly.

>>52015021

I want to explore the Gamma Quadrant. I'd give up FEs to have a decent exploration system

>>52015111
I imagine the Gamma Quadrant to be like 90% shipyards and cloning facilities. Though that's just me.

>>52015111
Don't even need the Gamma Quadrant, there's enough unexplored space surrounding the major powers to put up a good exploration system.

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>>52014979

First Admiral (You) must defeat the final boss of this galaxy.

>>52015483
>Final boss of the galaxy
>Gets blown to bits by Klingon disruptor cannons

Shittiest end boss in millennia.

>>52015483
one photon torpedo and a burst from a bird of preys disruptors.
what a difficult boss....

>>52009403
Honestly it just makes sense from a numbers game perspective. Multi-species confederations have larger populations, and therefore have larger numbers of innovators, which leads to more innovations, etc.

>>52011874
The entire Rise of the Federation series (still ongoing), which covers the Federation's early years, starting from just after the Earth-Romulan War, and is all about the Federation trying to figure out what it is and what it's going to be.

For that matter, anything by Christopher L. Bennett, the author of that series. The guy just GETS Star Trek. His best entry in that regard was the Star Trek: Titan novel Orion's Hounds, which is a "space whales" novel where the whalers are shown to be just as right and necessary as the whales. Plus he managed to weave together a bunch of cosmozoans from Trek's history into a neat ecosystem.

>>52015504
>>52015544

That wasn't his final form. He works by DBZ rules.

>>52015603
Well thank Christ he doesn't work by Castlevania rules, having to fight 4 increasingly bizarre forms of him would be a chore.

>>52015603
It was his final form, he doesn't come back from that blast, besides how powerful could he be if he requires a starship to escape a planet?

>>52015356
I imagine it to be mostly primitive societies, blasted ruins like that one Bashir episode, or empty. A mere handful each of Federation, Klingon, and Romulan shipyards were enough to keep up with Dominion production, and their "major reinforcements push" was only 2800 ships when the entire quadrant was on a war footing, and even the cloning facilities are probably confined to a dozen systems at most. The Dominion has been an uncontested power for millenia, so they were completely unprepared for conflict with an enemy that even approached parity, as was Starfleet ironically enough.

What really interests me about the Gamma Quadrant is the Delta border and how close the Dominion comes to Borg Space. This has probably been covered in STO but I can't imagine the exposure of the Borg to rapid military scale cloning of humanoids would go at all well for anyone involved.

>>52015649
>This has probably been covered in STO
It hasn't at all actually. I think I remember seeing one Jem'Hadar Borg as a super boss but other than that nothing. The Dominion as a whole have barely been mentioned in STO at the moment.

>>52015775
Changelings could probably fuck the Borg from the inside out, anyway.

>>52016778
Or get fucked up by nanites, then wed have liquid borg to worry about.

By the way, do you think there is any limit to what the borg can assimilate?
Like, could they assimilate some gaseous creatures or energy beings?

>>52016842
Given they couldn't assimilate species 8472, yeah, there's limits.

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>>52016870
I beg to differ!

>>52015111
FEs?

>>52015775
>Jem'Hadar Borg as a super boss
all of my what
all of my why

>>52016943
That can't be the actual dialogue