Modern General

>Nacatl was banned because 1 mana for 3/3 was too much power
>Death's Shadow
???

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>>51893090
>mfw I knew a guy with a death shadow deck
>He played a meme tier soul conduit deck that ran 4 death's shadow when they were a 3 dollar card
>I haven't played a agro version yet, so I can remember the memery as a pleasant experiance.

Death's Shadow is a fine card. You have to work for it like Delver.

Nacatl is arguably a more effortless card than either of those cards.

>>51893264
It was also unbanned and is a fair card

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48 other cards. Go

>Play Naya Zoo
>Slowly watch everything become Sucide Zoo
>Now it's just Death's Shadow

Feel bad man.

>>51893628
>Use Cranial plating on ornathopter
>Tap to activate dreadnaught
>Attach the plating to dreadnaught
sounds like fun

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>>51893090
not sure which thread is active so i'll post here too...
looking for help on my kithkin tribal deck, i'll post pics of the cards i have
i really want to be able to play a bunch of small kithkin quickly, beef them up and swing, but any strategy help /useful card suggestion is appreciated.

also, im kinda on a budget so path to exile priced stuff is out (believe me i know the humbles don't really cut it)

thanks

>>51893673
Needs more burning tree emissary and reckless bushwhacker

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>>51893790
kithkin cont.

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>>51893798

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>>51893816
kithkin

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>>51893834
>>51893816
>>51893798
>>51893790

last one

>>51893790
>>51893798
>>51893816
>>51893834
>>51893850
Kys

>>51893850
Needs more path to exile

>>51893790
try the edh thread, it seems more your speed

>>51893864
Kithkin your self

>>51893864
>>51893866
>>51893868
>>51893874
all very helpful :( thanks

>>51893790
I know you want help and don't have many places to go but we, including myself, are grossly hostile to casual play.

Because it always boils down to this: we'll throw in some input, but you're not good at the game to understand the theory or lingo, you haven't explained who you're playing against, you can't research, or you're on a budget. We're just going to feed you information and you can't even tell if it's good or bad advice or even pushback when you yourself don't understand what you're talking about.

The only way to get good at this game is to have the best decks and play against the best decks. Yes, the game is ridiculously not affordable and that sucks for the future of this format/game.

But you can do yourself a favor and get good at the game; because once you learn to do your own research and skills in play you will be able to help yourself and most importantly, learn the right questions to get the right advice; start with the links above or just use google. Whoever told you tribal (or a group of colors, or a specific mechanic) was a good way to build a deck lied to you or they themselves were also incompetent - we were all lied to so Wizards or your store or your friends can get money out of you while you know nothing.

This a good exercise in figuring out who in your real-life community actually is any good at the game or can teach properly. Just know that just because some guy has all the cards or claims to have been playing a long time doesn't mean they know jack shit.

>>51893908

I hate to break it to you, but you're brewing with very few good cards. That's why people aren't giving you good criticism.

It's assumed that the people in these threads generally have a certain amount of experience in the game to recognize what does and doesn't make a good card. It's reflected in the metagame of what decks are popular. Cenns Heir is 2 mana for a 1/1 that relies on other cards on your board. Against a deck that's 50% removal and 50% threats that are way better than yours (and eat your threats) how do you expect to win?

Maybe this is technically modern legal but competitive modern is a different beast.

>>51893908
People here are shitter memelord netdecker FUCKS.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/558059-modern-kithkin?page=4

heres some food for thought, seems like a cool tribal with interesting payoffs (rustic clachan being the coolest imo)

>>51894014

>people here are shitter memelord netdecker fucks

I'm the post above you and I literally play knight tribal and spellweaver helix

But at least both of those decks I try and use cards that will actually gain me some ground for the mana I spend or win the game. It's got nothing to do with being a netdecker but playing the netdecks at least let you appreciate how strong a deck needs to be before people are willing to look at it. Regardless of what people want, netdecks are going to be your competition, so prepare to answer them or lose.

>>51893977
Cont.

Ultimately, you have to ask yourself, do you have fun by being good or do you have fun by fucking around.

If you want to get good, you will follow my advice. If you want to fuck around just play EDH, it's a clusterfuck of a format where you don't have the have the best play/deck to win.

But if you want to get good do realize that deckbuilding is the LAST skill anybody develops in this game. I will tell you that 99% of Magic players can't build decks, they can only tune them to be better; nobody here can build you the very best Kithkin deck imaginable. 99% of the people who encourage deckbuilding and "personal expression" quite frankly are faggots who are not good at the game.

We are playing this game at its most objective level; there is almost always certainly a very clear line between what works or doesn't work.

Good luck. We are here to help you get good, not attempt to build a cake out of garbage.

>>51893628
One With Nothing!

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>>51894014
>shitter memelord netdecker fucks
fuck off desolator

pic related it's you, you fucking shitter

>>51894051
You're right about Cenn's Heir, not worth going tribal if that's the powerlevel of your payoff, but I think theres some good cards that might make it okay (lords, banner etc)

Kinda looks like goblins did pre-piledriver/reckless solidified it into 8whack.

If Slivers can be a thing, and Goblins can be a thing, who knows if in a year Kithkin memes might be real.

CORE SETS WHEN?

>>51894056
>We are here to help you get good
i'm not expecting to be modern competitive, i just don't like the 100 card format of EDH, frankly yeah, this is a casual deck, but a ton of people don't play ultra competitive modern because of costs
tribal is a good way to have a built in strategy, potentially keep costs low
and yes, express your creativity, sorry if i'm old school but i stopped playing at kamigawa and only recently picked it back up
some of us play for fun and flavor, not the zenith of the format

>>51894114
First off, fuck you.

Second of all, sphinx rev is OP as balls, what are you even on??

>>51893866
is there a similarly effective removal that doesn't cost 11 bucks a card?

>>51894014
thanks!

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>>51894213
>doesn't know the image
>sphinx's rev is OP as balls
Wew lad kys

If you have a problem with "netdeckers" then you can get the fuck out of this thread since it obviously isn't for you

>>51894219
Oust, Condemn, theres a white 3damage (Sunpierce? Idk) that only hits creatures for 1

Could also go for some mana tithes I guess?

Lots of cool options at 2 as well.

>>51894280
One day you'll find my posts funny.
It's cool if you don't get it man

>>51894300
yeah, nothing as good as exile, damn why did that card have to be so awesome

>>51894201
>but i stopped playing... and only recently picked it back up
I want to explain why this statement is so offensive to many players.

If you were any good at the game before you quit, you would be able to integrate back into the game with nearly zero effort. The analogy is worn out but it's like riding a bike; and in this case you never actually learned to ride, you kinda just puttered along. This is why at a base level why we are so hostile to bad players - they never bothered to learn to fish; they only keep asking for fish; asking for help; never making the financial or mental investment to permanently better themselves. Many Magic players who have played for many years continuously are just as useless in that manner; they may have cards and years of experience, but they can't play worth a damn.

It is not old-school to play for flavor, playing for style points is a completely different thing. The old-school nerd is the nerd who wants to master shit. The old-school nerd wants to find the most insane pinnacle within the realm of the rules and challenges others to topple them from the throne.

Casually trying something, tossing it aside before getting good, and picking it up later, is not old-school whatsoever. There is nothing casual about old-school. True old-school had no room for filthy casuals - that is what pushed those people to keep on playing D&D, LARP, read comic books, or play card games in the face of widespread social mockery and ridicule.

Even when old-school nerds people wanted to play for flavor or casually they would still be able to help themselves do it; they would find some way to strap a machine-gun to a cat and blow everyone out. And even then they'll admit that it isn't the most efficient way to go abouts things.

You only want the relaxed gameplay but want to put in none of the effort, financially and mentally.

So I'm sorry we can't help you; but that's only because you won't help yourself.

>>51894201
>and yes, express your creativity
>some of us play for fun and flavor

it's one thing to ask for help where it's inappropriate and complain about the quality of the advice. it's another thing to get lots of constructive criticism and act still entitled to help when you're exactly the type of player he condemned in his posts.

This is not the fun and flavor thread where you can express your creativity by posting objectively bad decks. If someone is going to "tweak" your list, it's going to be a huge tweak.

>>51894382

Not only that but the tweak is going to cost a lot of money. Start building on xmage where everything is free and tell me if you still use those cards.

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>death shadow topic
>kithkin tribal shit
>netdecker meme

Can we sage this thread?

>>51894753
The topic was fine, but I don't know how a modern thread attracted an unironic kithkin poster. Like holy shit, have some awareness.

>>51894300
And not any of those is a s good as path to exile. Gee, I wonder why that one card is 11 dollars? Maybe because it's the only one that does the job?

>>51894378
jesus dude this is some scary autism

>>51894929
>>51894382
>>51894378

cool, thanks fags

>>51893850
Why did you post 5 pictures instead of one?

Why did you post.

RG Titanshift or RG BreachTitan?

>>51896321
Titan shift I think is more consistent but breach makes the deck more explosive

what is the best deck with suicide in its name?

>>51897341
Suicide Twin

>>51897347

So effective it was never heard from again

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what decks do you have fun playing, but feel bad for using them
mine is 8 rack

I'm having trouble with the Affinity vs Grixis Delver match up on the side as Affinity. Right now, in locals, its around 20-80 in terms of wins-losses. So I'm not sure it's me being a shitter or if the match up is really that bad. It feels like I am running my head against the wall when the opponent kills most of my threats and drops a Tasigur on turn 3.

So any advice on how not to be so shit against Grixis Delver as Affinity?

>>51897780
Tron

>>51897842

yeah
etched champion with a hat and maybe ravager
Race that tasigur

>>51897897
Should I be siding in Skites in Match 2 for the K commands? It feels like such a shitty card when he just pushes it.
Right now; Im siding in 1 Thoughtseize, 2 Spell Pierces, and the 2 Etched Champs.
Im thinking of just dropping a spring-leaf or memnite to bring in spellskites.
Thoughts?

>>51897865
literally the only deck played on xmage

>>51897780
do you feel bad because you lose everything?

>>51898132
no, i win alot of the time and my opponents just cant do anything about it

>>51898180
>8rack
>i win a lot of times
sure

>>51897956

don't bother with skites I think. You're better off trying to race. K command is only going to blow up one thing and if he's getting snap commands off you're waiting too long.

cross your fingers for a good draw and blitz before he stabilizes.

>>51898245

I have also heard of ensoul artifact being pretty good on darksteel citadel and try and run 4 champions

>>51897956
>Im thinking of just dropping a spring-leaf or memnite to bring in spellskites.

>I'm thinking about slowing down my blitz aggro deck against a control deck that already runs answers to the things I'm bringing in

this is a mistake. go fast > go safe. safe is your champions, live on the back of your champions.

>>51898213
if the deck aint red
by turn 8 they are dead

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Getting out of modern. Should I sell my shock and fetch lands?

>>51898357
>turn 8
damn, that's as fast a single nacatl

>>51898357
Is that why it´s called 8rack? I thought that was a wrestling move.

>>51898381
If you don't plan to ever play mtg, yes. If you intend to come back to mtg in any other format, no.

>>51898395
>EVERY DECK MUST BE AGGRO

>>51898395
its a dirty control deck, not aggro

Rakdos Return has won me games against tron desu. They empty their hand so fast, if you can catch them on turn 4 before they get tron you can hit their threats, it's a good deal.

>>51898465
I figure I'd make a commander deck that uses the cards I have. Should I lose the remaining three?

>>51898414
No, it runs 8 'rack' effects, 4x The Rack itself and 4x Shrieking Affliction

>>51898525
Just run blightning

>>51898488
it's a shit deck, that's what it is

>>51898525

>Turn 4 before they hit Tron
>after getting your land exiled on turn 3 by Karn

nice try guy

>>51898666
>someone how is salty and lost to 8rack constantly

>>51898703
it's not even tier 3

>>51898742
you seem like a net decker
lmao

>>51898781
>you seem like a person who likes winning

>>51898781
alrighty desolator, go 1-3 your FNM

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>>51898823
>he justifies net decking

>>51897956
You cut Signal Pests first since it "can't" attack to a Delver and does nothing after a couple of Bolts/Pushes to the rest of your team, all 0-drops stay in MUs where you kill fast or don't at all. You can shave 1 drum on the play and one land (basic in non-path matchups) on the draw. Dismember takes care of Tasigur if you run it but if your opponent has shitload of removal and a Tasigur you lost because he drew the nuts, not because the latter is a good card for the matchup since 90% of your dudes fly. Against Delver (so assuming no damnation/anger) you're looking for go wide hands (playing Bomat Couriers helps since they're Ancestrals unanswered) or the classic Champion+Plating+stuff.
>>51898245
Skite negates bolt until removed and trades 1:1 with Kcommand so fuck yes you bring him in.

>>51898848
there is nothing to justify

>>51898854
How does skite trade 1 for 1 with Kcommand? Kcommand gets to kill skite and use one of the other modes as well

>>51898884
You redirect all modes to Skite, learn the rules.

>>51898781
The term ''net decking'' exist only because gay ass fags like you are trying SO HARD to be special little snow flakes who builds decks their little special way.

Stfu. Net decking is an artificial construct and you are just a fucking sore loser who cant handle the fact that your deck blows.

>>51898903
Make skite discard a card? Bring skite back from the graveyard to their hand?

>>51898935
Discard is irrelevant 100% of the time and if they're at the point where they're looping Snapcasters and removal you've already lost unless you can connect the last few points with Champion. The most common Command is destroy plating/Ravager and deal 2 to your (second) biggest threat (usually Overseer) at the moment, which Skite prevents, twice if you have Welding Jar.

>>51898903
You can only redirect two of the modes. If you're killing Spellskite you just use shatter and one of the other modes it can't redirect

>>51899003
>>51898971

>>51898971
You've already lost to looping snapcasters because they can bring snap back with K command and use a different mode at the same time, like killing skite. You've lost because they're trading 1 for 2 with you, if skite actually traded 1 for 1 with kcommand you wouldn't be losing.

>>51899018
In the first five turns, which is about the maximum you want the game to last, there are no snaps in the yard and Command always reads destroy plating and kill something else, which Skite prevents. Only thing that snap can chumpblock is Ravager, which is not supposed to attack in the matchup unless there's nothing on the field but dump counters on protected Inkmoth or Etched Champion.

>>51899006
>I'm right in this exact scenario and no other time is relevant

>>51899049
Unless they're running self mill like 4 of thought scour, but I mean that's only every grixis delver deck there is. Or they block with a flipped delver and return it. Or just use it on your draw step when you're guaranteed to have a card in hand. Or just the fact that the game can go over 5 turns, and no matter how much you don't want it to it doesn't change the fact that spellskite doesn't trade 1 for 1 with kcommand.

Whir of Invention is an amazing card.

>>51898537
If you think you are going to play only commander..... I got some bad news for you. You are addicted for life and you will be sorry when you are going to build 60 card deck again.

>>51899320
I just don't think I can play competitively anymore.

>>51898781
Do you think you invented 8rack?

>>51897780
is 8rack called 8rack because 4 the rack and 4 lili who has a big rack?

>>51900023
Shrieking affliction

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>>51900032

>>51900088
Anon pls. I'm at work. You can't give me boners

>>51899112
>>51899049
>>51898854
>>51898316
>>51898279
Thanks for the advice; I agree with the sentiment that it is a more go fast> go safe in this match up. But I'll try some more things during play testing this week.

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>>51900147
sry

Is Faeries the worst way you can spend $1000?

>>51900200
I'd have to say yes

>>51900200
Yes, then again that can be said about any mtg deck.

Had an interesting situation recently. Competitive REL.

Opponent had Dryad Militant in play, along with some big Hatebears. I had Snapcaster and Fatal Push I needed to use on his two big creatures, or I'd lose. Using Push on Militant wasn't possible.

Opponent is extremely bad player, but also incredibly annoying, borderline retarded, slightly unstable and most importantly, unable to admit he's wrong. I have zero respect for him.

I played Fatal Push on his creature and moved the Push into GY. Opponent said nothing. On the next turn I played Snapcaster on the Push, killing his second big creature, few turns after I win.

The thing is Militant's effect is replacement effect, so we are both responsible for it. If he would have called a judge on the first turn, we would both get GRV and the Push would get exiled. However, the next turn after I play Snapcaster on the Push, it's too late, since the eventual rewind by putting the Push into GY is too big.

Basically I cheated, but I cheated "within" the rules, as in I always had plausible deniability and the only way I could get DQ'd would be to snitch on myself and admit I knew about the Militant at some point before the judge call.
Would you guys do the same? I would never do this against any other player - I respect literally all the people I play with, except this one.

>>51900200
Probably right up there with Knightfall and RUG Scapeshift.

>>51900274
I sometimes forget my own chalice countering my stuff ;)

>>51900278
BTL Scapeshift can actually win games though.

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I'm running G/B Tron and last night at FNM I ran into a dredge player for the first time in weeks and got stomped. I'm considering throwing a RIP or 2 into the sideboard and I was wondering if our eggs would allow us to cast this consistently or if I should consider alternate graveyard hate options.

>>51900274
Whether you like your opponent or not has nothing to do with the integrity of the gamestate.

>>51900274
No, I don't cheat. If I can't win legitimately, I'd rather not run the risk of getting a loss or DQ by cheating. It's unlikely to happen given that it's both players reponsibilites to maintain game state, but still.

Also I'm training to be an L1 so it doesn't behoove me to cheat

>>51900322
It's not a rules question, it's moral question - would you cheat against a guy you don't respect, when you know you can't get punished?

>>51900274
I've forgotten Kalitas replacement eff and told my opponent's that the creature gets exiled and I get a 2/2. Creating the 2/2 according to the IPG or something is too much 'breaking flow' or something and I know this.
Exiling with Anafenza doesn't break flow though.

>>51900306
Yeah but it's still just strictly worse at the moment than a meta'd BTL or turn 3 solitaire RG.
>>51900316
Maindeck relics, turn 4 Ugin, Bojuka Bog can be tutored and cage/more relics to sb. Relying on an egg to cast off-color hate is sketchy af, GW is the better choice overall anyhow if you're not playing RG. Surgical Extraction on either Bloodghast or Amalgam should be plenty too since it's "free" and positive tempo neutral.
>>51900274
The only difference between GRV/game loss and FtMGS is the level of your acting and the number of times you've already done the same that day. I probably wouldn't go for it unless my opponent was full retard since any deck running Dryad Militant is just bad enough to not need cheating to win.

>>51900316
>play tron
>don't run relics

Are you fucking retarded?

>>51900356
Cheating is cheating, don't do it. That's all there is to this. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean you can cheat against them. Are you one of those edgy US college kids who immediately say yes to the question of whether they'd shoot a teenage Adolf Hitler even though it's like 1910?

>>51900394
Fair enough. I'm running G/B right now because It's better for my local meta. I'll probably add a few cages to the SB.
>>51900397
>assuming I'm not running relics
I just didn't see any during either of my games against dredge, why the hostility?

>>51900361
>Creating the 2/2 according to the IPG or something is too much 'breaking flow' or something and I know this.
What? Can you explain this further?

>>51900481
Because you complain dredge stomped you when almost all tron variants run anti graveyard shenanigans in form of relics main and sideboard.

So what the fuck man?

Does anyone have any experience with Narset Transcendent? Basically the Esper deck that runs Souls and planeswalkers.

>Death's Shadow continuing to stomp people
Nacatl deserved to be banned. 1 mana for a 3/3 is just too much. Now 1 mana for a 7/7, THAT is balanced.

is skred red a meme deck ? feel like with death shadow / dredge / abzan company popular it could be a good call

>>51900534
I have 2 mainboard relics and none in the side because there has been literally 0 graveyard decks in my meta for the past 2 months. Like I said, I didn't see any during either of my games. This is a game of variance and sometimes you don't find shit that you need.

I was just trying to get some input into whether or not I should try and fit RIP into the board or if it's too awkward. Now that that question is out of the way I'm trying to figure out what the best colorless graveyard hate is. Obviously I could add 2 more relics, but I'm considering cages as well; the guy isn't that smart and he seems like the type who would mill himself out with it on the field.

>>51900601
Any deck with accelerated Blood Moons (and Chalices) can be a "real" deck in the right environment by virtue of being a hard counter to what's happening around it.

>>51900601
It shits on midrange and control decks, since Blood Moon and the 3/3 self-exile dude. Combo can be pretty hard as you have no interaction and slow clock. Aggro can be also pretty difficult if you don't draw your bolts and angers in time.

>>51900601
Consistently slamming down a T3 Blood Moon is a pretty good way to win, yeah.

>>51897780
lantern control

>>51900673
>lantern control
i just googled that, i dont understand how it works

>>51900796
Lock the board with Bridge, control opp's draws with Lantern and mill rocks and eventually mill opp's library when you establish this soft-lock. Basically you don't let opponent draw any relevant cards.

>>51900812
woah, sounds horrible to play against

>>51900836
Most of the misery usually comes when the other players is too retarded to realize he can't actually win and refuses to scoop, so the game slogs forever.

>>51900356
If you need to cheat to beat a borderline retarded guy you should probably not go to competitive REL events.

>>51900316
If you're only worried about dredge just get surgical or ravenous trap

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>>51900497
http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/mtg_ipg_20jan17_en_0.pdf

>"If the infraction falls into one of the following categories, and only into that category, perform
the fix specified unless a simple backup is possible:"
>stuff like discarding a wrong amount or a creature not dying to state based actions
>"If an object is in an incorrect zone either due to a required zone change being missed or
due to being put into the wrong zone during a zone change, the identity of the object was
known to all players, and it can be moved with only minor disruption to the state of the
game, put the object in the correct zone."
This is how you fix Anafenza the Foremost
>"Otherwise, a backup may be considered or the game state may be left as is."
Kalitas creating a zombie is not minor disruption because it creates a creature. If you created the 2/2 and the creature wasn't exiled, that is only minor disruption.
>"For most Game Play Errors not caught within a time that a player could reasonably be expected
to notice, opponents receive a Game Play Error — Failure to Maintain Game State penalty. If the
judge believes that both players were responsible for a Game Rule Violation, such as due to the
existence of replacement effects or a player taking action based on another players instruction,
both players receive a Game Play Error — Game Rule Violation. "

I've talked to multiple judges about this. The 2/2 is considered disruption. Back up if you can, if you can't, leave the creature in the yard and play on. Judge's discretion of what can and can't be backed up.

>>51900859
There's also times when the lock isn't fully in place (only 1 mill artifact so you don't have complete control of their draws, have bridge but no lantern, etc) and both players sort of sit around doing nothing for several turns. Or when you have an ancient grudge in your deck.

>>51901072
also stuff like prized amalgam isn't a trigger you must announce until EOT but it's best practice to say something so you don't forget and your opponent doesn't try to shark you

>>51901108
Yeah, but at some point playing it out means you won't have time for G2/G3, so it's -EV. Like why spend 30 minutes fishing for that 5% chance to win when that means throwing away another games where your chance to win is much higher? Tactical concede is a thing.

>>51901126
Are you sure? Playing on MTGO I see amalgan triggers the moment a creature comes back from the yard, and separate one when the EoT comes.

>>51901170
You only need to announce triggers when they'd have visible affects on the game state, the first Amalgam one doesn't.

>>51901188
You're missing one thing, Amalgams trigger isn't "You may xyz". If you miss that trigger it would be basically cheating.

>>51901170
MTGO holds your hand and shows you everything and doesn't let you cheat

playing IRL if bloodghast comes back, amalgam DOES 100% trigger but you don't need to say anything because it's a trigger that is assumed to happen until it's time to acknowledge it.

prowess and exalted are like this too

"If a triggered ability would have no impact on the game, it’s not an infraction to fail to
demonstrate awareness of it. For example, if the effect of a triggered ability instructs its
controller to sacrifice a creature, a player who controls no creatures isn’t required to demonstrate
awareness of the ability. Similarly, a player demonstrating awareness of an optional trigger with
no visible effect is assumed to have made the affirmative choice unless the opponent responds."

"Examples
A. Knight of Infamy (a 2/1 creature with exalted) attacks alone. Its controller says “Take
two.”"

"Triggered abilities are assumed to be remembered until otherwise indicated, and the impact on
the game state may not be immediately apparent. The opponent’s benefit is in not having to point
out triggered abilities, although this does not mean that they can cause triggers to be missed. If
an opponent requires information about the precise timing of a triggered ability or needs details
about a game object that may be affected by a resolved triggered ability, that player may need to
acknowledge that ability’s existence before its controller does. A player who makes a play that
may or may not be legal depending on whether an uncommunicated trigger has been
remembered has not committed an infraction; their play either succeeds, confirming that the
trigger has been missed, or is rewound."

same source: http://wpn.wizards.com/sites/wpn/files/attachements/mtg_ipg_20jan17_en_0.pdf

>>51901188
Oh yeah, alrighty then

>>51901205
This too. Amalgam is mandatory so you can wait for bloodghast to come back, play hallowed moonlight at any point and their amalgams that 'saw' the bloodghast get exiled and you as the opponent should point out their amalgams because they're mandatory

>>51901205
The only difference between mandatory and may triggers on comp+ REL is that you get punished for missing your own detrimental ones, you can miss beneficial ones all day long. Missing triggers *on purpose* is cheating, otherwise the judge is just going to say tough shit and your opponent 99% of the time is going to say the trigger doesn't get placed to the stack.

I was playing at gp Vancouver and I killed a Korean spirit dancer with rancor. We both forgot about it Abd then mid combat two turns later he calls a judge and asks if he can put it back in his hand.
The judge said yes. Kinda bullshit

>>51901339
Yeah, that's kind of weird, desu though you shouldn't be going around murdering Koreans, that's pretty fucked up

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>>51901339
>I killed a Korean spirit dancer with rancor

>>51901367
>not killing Koreans like the dogs they are
baka desu senpai

>>51901072
I don't get what needs to be "fixed." What is wrong with telling your opponent that the card gets exiled and you get a 2/2? Did you leave out information about the scenario in your other post?

>>51901413
Situation: I control Kalitas and my opponent's creature dies. They put it in their grave and we carry on and for whatever reason can't rewind the game.

I remember I forgot my zombie and tell them it's mandatory so the fix is to now exile their creature and I get the zombie and it's summoning sick.

This is wrong because I forgot the zombie and the correct thing to do would be call a judge and have them either say play on as is or back up.

Another trigger note for the unaware: If a trigger is both beneficial and detrimental, it's always considered beneficial and the opponent gets to choose to put it on the stack. Dark Confidant and Duskwatch Recruiter transform triggers are two examples.

Another thing you can do that's legal but 'scummy' came up on some podcast a while ago.

My opponent attacks with Goblin Guide, we note life change but don't check the top card of my library.

I know from scrys from the previous turn my top 2 cards are not lands.

I draw for turn, cast Serum Visions and scry a land to the top. I call a judge and opt to put the Guide trigger on the stack now. We reveal the top card, it's a land, I add it to hand.

>>51901601
Ok, now I get the situation.

>>51900274
yeah, I would try to slip that past him. same as casting shit into chalice and seeing if they remember about it. you'll get a bunch of fucking fagginator holier than thou niggers calling you scum and telling you how much better than you they are but them niggas can eat a fucking dick

>>51901722
>>51901722
basically this
it IS cheating but it's easy to play dumb in this type of thing and you can ask the judge "But isn't it too late to back up and there's no easy fix that is only minorly disruptive?" and then appeal if the judge rules against you.

>>51901410
Fuck you white piggu

>>51899297
In what, mono blue tron?

>>51901880
probably not even
>UUU

>>51901880
Artifact toolboxes.

>>51901880
Artifact toolbox deck is right. I'm brewing a variant of tezzerator, and it's great.

Could a Death's Shadow or 2 work in an Esper Delve list? I'm already running 8 fetches and 4 thoughtseize, i wouldn't drop it early but overtime it just gets better and better

>>51902439
No Traverse or Tarfire.

>>51900812
>>51900673
thanks dude, i just tried it on xmage, it's pretty fun

Is Monogreen elves or B/G elves considered better right now? I know neither are really tier one or two, but I've been slowly slapping together the pieces from trades. I've been a bit tired of playing Soul Sisters at fnm (my only modern deck) and want to play some timmy tribal bullshit

>Get back into magic after an 8 year hiatus
>Play standard for about a year
>Players are dicks, nobody is friendly, salt everywhere

>Finally decide to try modern
>Everybody is nice, loves playing
>Scapeshift guy literally tells me how his deck wins before I even play him so I'm not lost Game 1.

This the opposite of what I expected

>>51902439
Not really, the rest of your deck doesn't enable it enough. I saw a guy running grixis shadow though, he'd cycle a street wraith then bring it back with Kcommand to draw again and grow his shadow. I burnt him out with bolt snap bolt but he had me on the ropes for quite a while.

>>51902505
Those are reasons Tarmogoyf is good. Yes, Traverse gets Shadow but Shadow doesn't need Traverse to work. Previous lists had 0 Traverse.

>>51902604
Sane thing happened to me when I got into modern. During fnm people would be giving ne feedback all the time and giving me good cards for my deck for the draft chaff I had.

Competitive is totally different but fnm helped me prepare for the real deal.

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Mono W Hatebears should have the upperhand on Death's Shadow right?

>>51902670
sideboard some blessed alliance. Either sac mode or give opponent life or give yourself life

>>51902670
Lol no, how did you figure that?

Is the "girl" playing currently in SCG's stream a tranny? Who am I kiiding, it IS a traany right?

>>51902691

It's jam packed full of fetchlands and I run Arbiter

>>51902703
For the purposes of the matchup they are Jund with a two-turn clock when they feel like it. 8 discard and 10 something removal spells kill Arbiter and they can operate on two, max three for LOTV, lands just fine. They discard your Path, land a 10/10 or a 6/7 goyf, kill your blockers and then you die.

If I want to play burn do I go RW or Naya

>>51902735

Should I keep Mirran Crusaders in my sideboard on top of the Blessed Alliance?

I'm heading to a big modern tournament next Sunday I'm trying to prepare for the meta

>>51902700
The wannabe pros on SCG will take any perceived advantage, some will go as far as to pretend to be women to get preferential treatment

Besides Scavenging Ooze, are there any cards that were originally printed in supplemental products that were later reprinted in Modern-legal sets?

What's your current gauntlet for a GP?

>>51902740
How's your budget? RW is a little cheaper, and you get to main more helix.

>>51902740
RW has had more success lately since Nacatl is actively bad in so many matchups and your opponent generally has bigger creatures but Naya has a faster goldfish. You should run a green source for sb Destructice Revelry either way.
>>51902754
imho Crusader is maindeckable since it beats 4 for 3 mana if nothing else, your sideboard should be mostly hate. Like cut 2 Inspectors, the card is literally just a cantrip and your 1drop should optimally be Vial or Path if your opponent is on Affinity.

>>51902754
Mirran Crusader beats the deck pretty hard, decks aren't running a consistent number of tarfires, bolts and seal of fires but most of them only have 3-4 outs if you actually get one onto the battlefield.

>>51900274
>I'm a better player than him but i need to cheat to win
Wew lad

>>51902792
And besides having 2 toughness in front when your opponent tramples over with a 10/10 double striker when the time is right is not the greatest place to be in. It can also just eat a discard unless you topdeck it.

>>51902790
>>51902792
I've been thinking about selling my GR (no grove) Tron since while I enjoy the deck and Karn/Ugin are my fucking guys, I feel like I just want to have less money in magic cards

>>51902818
That's a really weird stance to have (if you own reserved list cards that's your retirement fund right there) but ok. Non-budget Burn is more expensive than any Tron though.

>>51902792

I've had some good results from inspector, it's something to aether vial out on T2, another target to flickerwisp if there's nothing better, and it's card advantage in a deck that can burn through its hand really fast

Leyline of Sanctity against Death's Shadow?

Y/N?

>>51902770
None that I can find searching around.

>>51902935
What deck.

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Do you think a bant eternal command list with rengade rallier and flicker wisp would be any good?

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I just bought infect.

>>51903115
Lmao. Infect is ass

>>51903115
Everybody makes mistakes

>>51903098
Nope. Bant is not what you want to be in

T. Eternal eternal command player

>>51903004
Hatebears

>>51903164
I think yes? It turns off 9 discard spells, and without a bauble or tarfire they'll have a hard time getting delirium.

B A N T R O N
A
N

T
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>>51903292
This

>>51901670
That's not legal and any judge that sees you doing this and lets it pass should have their privileges revoked.

>>51903292
>>51903310

Here we go again.

>>51903292
Literally one Crumble to Dust annihilates the deck, it's fine, fuck off.

>>51903150
Yeah I guess. Half the reasons for playing white are sideboard cards anyway and both Rest in Peace and Stony Silence screw your own deck over.

>>51903292
>>51903310
>>51903371
I read this and bant tron and thought this was some super spicy meme

>>51903400
Fuck it, let's make this a spicy brew. Should we start by mashing Bant Eldrazi and Eldrazitron together?

>>51903424
>>51903400
How would that even fucking work?
25 lands with 4-7 fetches?

>>51903385
They always say this until they show a Warping Wail, turn 3 Karn before you get to cast Crumble to just hardcast their shit because any deck running Crumble is not going to clock you too bad.

>>51903436
Lets start with 26 lands for good measure. We can cut back if we need to.

Maybe something like this:
4 Eldrazi Temple
12 Tron Lands
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Windswept Heath
1 Breeding Pool
1 Temple Garden
1 Forest
1 Plains

>>51903442
>didn't play T1 Mountain, SSG, SSG, stone rain, surgical extraction their tron land
you honestly deserve to lose desu

>>51903477
Cut down one cavern, since it's bant and assuming we would use maps we have enough ways to tutor cavern, and tron lands + temples would probably be target of all land hate.

Throw in 3-4 Hierarchs maybe 2-3 maps and/or 2-3 Stirrings

>>51903503
Alright, so this is what we have so far then:
LANDS:
4 Eldrazi Temple
12 Tron Lands
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Windswept Heath
1 Breeding Pool
1 Temple Garden
1 Forest
1 Plains
CREATURES:
4 Hierarch
ARTIFACTS:
3 Map
SORCERIES:
4 Stirrings

I figure we should just max out on stirrings because it'll let us dig for basically anything in this deck. What kind of threat distribution do we want? If we're in Bant do we want to use the Eldrazi Displacer + Drowner of Hope combo? Should we include any planeswalkers?

>>51901670
Wrong, once you draw and scry you have advanced the game state past the point where the previous visible game state would have first been altered, it is not possible to rewind and so the trigger is simply missed in regular REL, and a warning in competitive REL.

>>51903316
Yeah, I don't think that flies even at Regular level events.

>>51903498
In all seriousness, I've almost lost vs Tron after t1 Ghost Quarter+surgical on draw step. Tbf I was playing 8rack and Tron is its straight up worst matchup but still.

>>51902700
The only decent scg grinder girl that isn't tranny is jadine klomparens afaik.

Also, is Rachel Agnes (@baetog, she's making splashes in the vintage league) a tranny? I'm pretty sure she is, but not quite. Her twitter profile pic looks pretty masculine and she tends to wear a shitton of makeup when streaming.

>>51903559
Probably 2 Ugin. Thought-knot does what Karn's + is, and it gives us a body. World Breaker to hit those lands. Add sylvan scrying if you want to pump out an early Promised End.

Is there a devoid counterspell besides wail?

>>51903698
Horribly awry

>>51903698
Here's what I'm thinking for the mainboard. Anything you think should be added or removed?
LANDS:
4 Eldrazi Temple
12 Tron Lands
1 Cavern of Souls
4 Windswept Heath
1 Breeding Pool
1 Temple Garden
1 Forest
1 Plains
CREATURES:
4 Hierarch
4 Displacer
4 Thought-Knot
4 Reality Smasher
4 Drowner of Hope
2 World Breaker
PLANESWALKERS:
2 Ugin
ARTIFACTS:
4 Map
SORCERIES:
4 Stirrings
INSTANTS:
4 Path

>>51903686
There are a couple of other majick sluts that actually have vagoo, but dont grind scg

>>51903875
Looks good. Now who wants to play this jank

>>51902604
My theory is that more expensive formats foster better relationships, as
>players know each other more as you go up the price ladder--there are fewer people drifting in and out
>new players are rarer as you go up, and therefore increasingly precious
This is based on comparing my Legacy crowd to Standard, along with the few times I experimented with my Affinity in Modern when I still owned it.

>>51903698
What >>51903742 said and Void Shatter I believe.

>>51903933
Chinamen fakes are the solution for this

>>51898848
>>51898881
i mean you can make a point for not netdecking in some casual format like standard, but net decking, at least for ideas, is pretty well accepted in modern. I'm not sure what these anti-netdeck spergs are on about.

>>51903933

Two legacy players were playing next to me the other day and they were talking like the best of bros playing Kitchen Table magic.

Clearly the problem with standard is the Point of Entry is too low.

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>>51903932
I own all the cards for this. I'll bring it to FNM next week and report back. Pleasure brewing with you anon.

>>51903985
Kek. Sure thing MaRo. Reasons why standard is the succ;
- ends up costing more than a modern or legacy deck if you play competitive standard for 3 or more rotations
- people often identify with a particular archetype that may not be viable in standard
- if people play a deck they become very attached to they cant continue playing it competitively post rotatoes
- the churn and burn nature of standard means that players become burnt out

Holy fucking christ it is obvious that the designers are in charge of the marketing, as someone who has studied marketing, wotc takes actions that are in contravention to commonly accepted practices re i.e. customer retention

>>51904015
God speed, anon

>>51904132
>customer retention
to be fair you're not a customer unless you keep buying product. Standard isn't so good at keeping customers as it is keeping them paying.

>>51900594

>deflecting palm becomes a win

nice

>>51900594
You don't understand why nacatl was banned. Fuck off shitter

>>51904206
But...it is why it was banned

>>51904166
Thats why supporting all formats is the way to go, as well as releasing cards in new sets deaigned for older formats (not commander though, fuck commander)

>>51904252
Commander is fun though, not for the commander itself, but for the 1 card rule.

>>51904252

It's the best but ultimately most difficult decision.

Trying to make a card that's both good in modern but jot absolutely broken in standard is a very tough tightrope to walk in development.

Fatal Push was a great example of this type of card done right.
Copter was oh oh so wrong

Treasure Keeper in Restore Balance to hit Ardent Plea? Yes? No?

>>51904317
*not absolutely broken

>>51904317
Nobody wants fresh cards for Modern. They just want more of what we already have. Liliana of the Veil should be as widely available as Lightning Bolt at this point.

>>51904336
I want fresh cards which obliterate tron. But that's really just an extension of wanting tron obliterated in general. A slightly better blue cantrip would be ok I guess.

>>51904229
It was banned for the same reasons as gsz

>>51904354
>blue cantrip
Sorry anon, we can't have storm or draw go control dominating the format since both of those archetypes are unfun to play against and create an unhealthy metagame.

>>51904318
>Restore Balance
No

>>51904318
>Treasure Keeper
no, treasure keeper is a death trigger

>>51904318
Just run drift of phantasms and transmute for it

>>51903279
They can bauble and tarfire themselves and often do leyline or not.

>>51904990
Yeah but without bauble they'll have a hard time getting delirium since all there sorceries except traverse itself can't be used on you

>>51905013
That's incorrect

>>51905013
Read the fucking cards.

>>51905038
Using the 1st place deck from the GP, without sorceries or drawing bauble they need their 3 of tarfire or to get their 2 of lili in the graveyard. That's assuming one of their creatures has already died or they also have a street wraith.
>>51905111
I hope you're not implying I think you can't bauble yourself

>>51905013
you can thoughtseize and IoK yourself dipshit

>>51905217
Yes but your opponent has 2 discard spells in hand I'd very much like to have a leyline. So I guess I could amend my stantment to
>They'll have a hard time getting delirium unless it's a specific situation where you'd definitely want leyline anyway

>>51903133
Sure thing.

Amonkhet leaks when?

>>51905300
Don't tell anyone I said this but I heard the set involves bolas

>>51905277
You fucked up lol

>>51898381
What do you have available anon?

What are the odds of Heirarch getting reprinted in MM17?

>>51905476
50/50

>>51905246

>you get leyline
>t1 fetch iok self hitting tarfire

wow really hard

>>51905524
I mean they could just not play anything and discard to handsize too. Of all the criticisms I've ever heard, leyline being bad because your opponent can just 0 for 2 themselves just has to be the worst.

>>51905578
Leyline does nothing against Death's shadow though, all it does it "turn off" a few of their spells and force them to use them on themselves which they often do anyways to get delirium or grow death's shadow. It's not like you bring in leyline for any deck that runs targeted discard christ. There are a lot of better cards to bring in against them then leyline.

>>51905657

They won't be able to get to your removal or check your hand before popping out Shadow though.

I'd say that's worth a lot.

>>51893090
IS black and white death shadow any good. I want to use bitter blossom with this nigga

>>51905815
>bitter blossom
why not use it in Sorin and CO. tokens or abzan aristocrats?

>>51905815
If you're going to bet fetching and shocking every land why would you go only 2 colors. Bitterblossom sounds pretty bad with death's shadow, you want to get your life total low quickly to get down death's shadow, and once it's low you're in a situation where if the game is over quickly bitterblossom doesn't give enough value and if it goes long it kills you.

Is there any hope for expertise fuse to be competitive? I'm running a version with visions and peer through depths but I feel like it's not consistent enough.

>>51906016
It's a meme senpai, a fun meme but still a meme.

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I'm 18-2 with my 8 mancer (7actually) gift storm deck. Granted both those losses were to Jund which is real rough. Is storm actually a deck again? It felt real good, and the only actual hard matchups are GBx and burn atm

>>51906356
Cheerios will likely get nerfed with a ban
UR Gifts Storm is the new shit that'll 5-0 leagues on the regular

storm is doing good as an archetype right now

Why is no one talking about this?

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/771212-goblin-guide-in-mm17

>>51901410
Don't make fun of Koreans. They already have it bad enough.
One half of the country is being led by a psychic cultist shadow government and the other is being led by somebody that's willing to murder his family with VX in an airport.

>MM17 drops in a little over 2 weeks
>still fucking zero spoilers besides a $4 planeswalker, a legendary that sees play in 1 (ONE) deck that was reprinted to hell already and a junk rare
I hate everyone at WotC

I want to use CoCo. What deck should I try to build it around that goes beyond janky tribal homebrews?

>>51906620
draft environment :^)

NWO in a master's set :^)

>>51906620
Realistically though, what would be spoiled that would really increase sales? People are already expecting snap and lili, confirming them won't build any hype. Unless they fill the rest of the slots with ripped up Spliter Twins they'll probably sell all the packs they print anyway.

>>51906636
Abzan Coco
Abzan Rally

>>51906636
Bant spirits
Elves
Knightfall

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>Sram fucking up everything and making T2 wins possible

>>51906921
>implying it wins before t4 with any consistency
Why is it that the deck that folds to any interaction get's memed so hard?

>>51906648
Anything that could use a reprint?

Any uncommons over $10 and any rares over $30. If they jammed enough actual staples into the set, I would already have at least 2 on preorder.

They are definitely reprinting Craterhoof Behemoth in MM 17, r-right guys?

>>51906620
No bullshit, if Stoic angel is a mythic I will permanently stop buying sealed product for the rest of my life. There is absolutely zero excuse for shit like world gorger, it's a fucking joke. To sell these packs for 10 dollars, it's a fucking disgrace if they want to just shit on people.

t. guy who bought 1 box of eternal masters with a total value of 60$

>>51906413
No one wants to believe the art is that shitty. I prefer the GP promos myself

>>51907024
Probably. Man I though craterhoof had been reprinted in some other supplementary set by now. Seems a good fit in commander.

>>51906969
What do you mean? I know it's a wildly inconsistent deck but decks that fast usually draw a ton of ire in this format.

I also love combos and am still pissed about that faggot Stephen Speck fucking up Bloom Titan for everyone

>>51906969
Because autistic shitters on here love to get real retarded about their trash fucking deck, like literally 3 weeks ago """""people"""" on here were screeching that grishoalbrand breaking entering was "The real fucking deal bro" taking it to the next level. Seriously, these autists have no fucking idea what's going on. Pro tip to all these retards: Any deck that has a literal 0% chance of beating Jund will ever be good.

>>51907077
Even better are the retards who pilot these meme decks at fnm. One of them played gifts storm last night, played against my friend who was on lantern and refused to concede. Started taking extremely long to "think" about his turns once the lock was in place. I played him the next round with jund and he got salty when I called judge on his sloppy play. Game 2 and 3 I had early liliana that the deck can just never beat, one on turn 2. So once it's apparent that he's behind he starts to slow play "thinking" about his turn when I know the contents of his hand

>>51907131
Like the new gifts storm with Barol? That deck really doesn't get locked out, unless he surgicaled the grapeshot. Guy just sounds like a shitter. All in all I don't think new Storm is a meme. It is really consistent.

>>51906356
I find storm to be extremely fragile. There's too many ways to interact with it, litterally any deck running bolt/proclasm/anger of the gods, or any efficient B removal will immediately kill an electromancer and give you a problem.

The deck simply lives or dies on an electromancer sticking, and in the current meta that feels like a very unlikely thing.

>>51907206
Well they have 7 Electromancers now, and the entire deck is digging. It even main boards counters now, and desu, going off through removal or without an electromancer at all isn't that hard. 8 electromancer is just so far superior to ascension. I'm telling you man, it's gonna take a tourney where Jund and burn are low, cause desu right now, I have only 1 deck with storm hate in the board and thats my abzan coco deck.

>>51905351
Not the guy who built the infect, but infect is still a strong deck. People hype up probe way too much.

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>>51907378
>Used to be 7 percent of the meta
>Now it's 2% and dropping
Lol

>>51907406
Seems to be doing well at my LGS, Don't be a drone and use mtggoldfish for everything. Don't you have a death's shadow deck to build?

>>51907429
>Muh anecdotal evidence is more relevant than actual fucking statistics
Fuggin ebin m8 you sure swayed me

>>51907445
The stat pool is still small- MTGGoldfish compiles less than 1000 decks. That is small in the grand scheme- Death's Shadow and Jund have like >100 registered decks. Do you have a better resource than fucking mtggoldfish for meta?

>>51907471
Do you have a better resource than your fucking lgs?

>>51907481
Yeah. Yer mum's fat arse

>>51907533
Lmao sick burn friend *brofists*
Mind if I use that one in 2nd period tomorrow?

>>51903977
>i mean you can make a point for not netdecking in some casual format like commander, but net decking, at least for ideas, is pretty well accepted in modern. I'm not sure what these anti-netdeck spergs are on about.
Ftfy

>>51907481
Guy who built infect here. Your moms fat ass is a reliable source to quote.

>>51908270
but anon standard is casual :^)

what is currently the best draw-go deck in mdoern
UW?
Grixis?
Jeskai?
I kinda like UW the most

>>51909467
Nahiri. And if you mean counterspell based deck, don't bother. Too many fast linear decks, which threats are 1-2cmc that you rather play removal spells and block rest with other means.

>>51909467
Grixis. Check out Corey Burkharts run to 2nd place at GP DFW. Enough to get a half mast

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jeskai-g-unit-1/

Here's my jeskai list.

Do you think Esper Polymorph can be a deck with Fatal Push?

Pls no hate

Why is this not a deck? It can grind and Emrakul is no joke

>>51903316
What is not legal about it?

>>51903594
link to rule that says this?

>>51909467
Grixis is not draw-go, it's glorified midrange with a better late game and more universal answers than BGx.

>>51909575
Because polymorph

"If the triggered ability specifies a default action associated with a choice made by the controller
(usually "If you don't ..." or "... unless"), give the opponent the choice to resolve it choosing the
default option. If the triggered ability is a delayed triggered ability that changes the zone of one
or more objects defined when the ability was created, resolve it. When resolving these two types
of abilities, the opponent chooses whether to resolve the ability the next time a player would get
priority or when a player would get priority at the start of the next phase. These abilities do not
expire and should be remedied no matter how much time has passed since they should have
triggered.

If the ability was missed prior to the current phase in the previous turn, instruct the players to
continue playing. If the triggered ability created an effect whose duration has already expired,
instruct the players to continue playing.

If the triggered ability isn’t covered by the previous two paragraphs, the opponent chooses
whether the triggered ability is added to the stack. If it is, it’s inserted at the appropriate place on
the stack if possible or on the bottom of the stack. No player may make choices involving objects
that would not have been legal choices when the ability should have triggered. For example, if
the ability instructs a player to sacrifice a creature, that player can't sacrifice a creature that
wasn't on the battlefield when the ability should have triggered."

There's no choice with Goblin Guide and your opponent's declare attackers is more recent that the main phase 1 of previous turn, so the opponent (serum vision guy) chooses to put it on the stack or not. It's scummy, yes and within the rules.

>>51910238
>More universal answers
Is that why it scoops to blood moon?

>>51910517
It doesn't, what the fuck? In addition to all the permission the deck runs 3 basic islands and a swamp so it operates under a moon just fine.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SPOILERS

>>51910684
They dont start for at least 39 minutes apparently. Its like they *want* it to fail

>>51910779
>WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SPOILERS
its been an hour

>>51911209
Weren't they supposed to come out tomorrow?

Where do the spoilers get released to exactly?

>>51911388
Its been monday for 50 minutes. Still no spoilers. Wizards wants this to fail so that they can kill their most popular format

>>51911414
The intern in charge of uploading a few spoiler images every few hours got stuck in traffic. just be patient for a little bit longer. we don't pay him anyway so we're not overly concerned about it.

What do you guys think about UW draw-go
is it worth building it, i really like the deck style but i don't know how good it is
my lgs meta is:
bant eldrazi
bushwhacker zoo
ad nauseaum
white weenie
8rack
scapeshift
titanshift
dredge
affinity
burn
2 merfolk
1 grixis control and 1 grixis delver

>some dude wants to sell 4 Urzas towers for 30 bucks
>not even the OG ones

Why are people this dumb?

you guys know it just turned 6am in washington, they're probably just arriving and drinking their low fat cruelty free hipster coffee while they meditate for the work day. it'll be another hour before they actually do anything.

>>51911525
What the fuck are you on about, it's fucking Sunday

My friend just played DSZ in an fnm with me. He got rekt by drazitron, jund still not fast enough for that BS

>>51911535
Its 1.07am, monday the 27th. Wotc said official spoiler were to start today

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>tfw no tron in meta

>>51911440
>stuck in traffic

well kek'd
fuck WOTC i hope they burn down to the ground I miss it when they actually designed and managed the game to be played instead of the sole purpose of profit

>>51911525
my dick is ready for trash mythics + modern "staples" like serra ascendant

>>51911535
oh shit it is sunday. i thought it was monday. spoilers wont start until tomorrow then

so spoilers are tomorrow?

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>>51911566
>mfw when i play affinity anyway

How much is Griselbrand Worth currently? What is the % chance of opening one in a box of MM2017?

Currently the value of a box of MM2017 is equal to 1 Griselbrand time % chance of Griselbrand being opened in MM2017 box

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>>51911606
Nah bro, today

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>>51911608
>mfw i still play ponza anyway

>>51911608
>not playing the freshest meme
>aka hardened affinity

It's like you hate fun famaladingdong

>>51911628
since when is wotc in auckland?

>>51911566
>three tron decks at my shop with a regular turn out of ~12 people
>25% of meta
>one is a cool guy
>don't really know the other
>last one is a salt vendor who specializes in salt and salt accessories
>play living end
>SSG into crumble to dust on turn 3
>Salt machine just fucking scoops every time
>he bitches non-stop when I fulminator or beast within his shit
>I almost enjoy playing against him, but it's unbearable on the nights where I just can't draw what I need and lose

I hate linear aggro decks, I feel like if I'm not doing something stupid and convoluted I'm just not really playing magic. but I've considered building burn or affinity just to take a mcdumpy on the tron players.

>>51911673
kek just put in more side hate
enough while not ruining your sideboard ofc

>>51911609
fairly cheap for a mythic and only going to crash further

>>51911650
YES I GET SUCH A HUGE HATE BONER WHEN SOMEONE SHOWS A SLIVER OF ENJOYMENT

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>>51911630
HA HA HA! WOW! HA HA HA!

>>51911780
>HATE BONER

Did you had an autism outburst or simply retarded?

>>51911839
the tears from UB mill guy i clocked in 2 games are too delicious

i liked how he thought he ever had a chance

>>51898537
If you're serious about getting into EDH I guarantee you'll want to start making more decks eventually, and you'll want those fetches.

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>>51893790

That's the list i made and use. For what i've played, i recommend adding some Path to Exile and another 1-drop. Kinsbaile Borderguard is a great card, if you dump Journey to Nowhere for Path, you might as well dump Kithkin Rabble for Kinsbaile.

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>>51912092
Put it in the fucking garbage.

>>51912092
are you the unironic kithkin shitposter who kept posting EDH pics of the deck?

I can't be bothered to look up a single one of your cards. Plains is literally the only card I know in your deck.

this thread is pretty much only competitive modern. git gud or git shit on

>>51912149
Did you never play kitchen table?

>>51909500

As a gifts player, do this.

;)