Naval General (Admiral FFS) thread

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I want my oil tanker of death.

>>51887197
I never got the dislike of the Nelson class, compared to the Bayern/Nagato/Colorado, which were her contemporaries, she's better in most respects.

>>51887550
>bayern

Nelrods not being at least somewhat better than a whole generation older class of boats would had been rather surprising.

I will never forget how savagely the HMS Rodney bullied the Bismarck, it's almost hard to read.

>Rodney closed to 2,700 m (3,000 yd), point-blank range for guns of that size, and continued to fire. Tovey could not cease fire until the Germans struck their ensigns or it became clear they were abandoning ship.[122] Rodney fired two torpedoes from her port-side tube and claimed one hit.[123] According to Ludovic Kennedy, "if true, [this is] the only instance in history of one battleship torpedoing another".[121]

>>51888812
Rodney and Nelson did some amazing service in the war.

Reknown pushed in the Scharnhort's shit.

Even the QE & Revenge beat the Italians to a pulp a few times.

RN was feared for a lot of reasons, I always hate the people that claim they had outdated battleships in WW2.

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KGV also gets a bad rap.

Very heavy armour.
Good Speed.
Incredibly Stable (rolled less then the Iowa did in waves)
Heavy Armament (14 in or not, having 10 meant a punishing throw weight)
Good anti-air.
All under 35,000 tons.

The Quad turrets were also not any more of a problem then any other new design.

And then there is this:
DoY versus Scharnhorst: 450 rounds fired over 85 minutes of requested fire for a 68% availability rate. (450 rounds is an all time record for BB firing in one ship to ship action). This was accomplished while steaming at high speed into a Force 10 gale.

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HMS Vanguard, following the British tradition of parking an apartment block on their ships.

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>>51889071
Still better then the goddamn Iron Christmas tree the japs put on their ships.

>>51889096
Ah, the Ise class.

Jap Admirals decide to limit the offensive punch of one of their better ship designs by half-assing (literally) a carrier conversion.

They should have ripped apart a Fuso, those things were just crap compared to the Ise.

>>51888812
>I will never forget how savagely the HMS Rodney bullied the Bismarck, it's almost hard to read.

Agreed. The battle was essentially over after the first 20 minutes.

Oddly enough, as Preston explains, closing in on Bismarck worked against the RN. Bismarck's antiquated, Bayern-style, "submerged", armor scheme was designed with short range "flat" fire in mind. If Rodney and KGV had opened the distance for more "plunging" fire, there would have been fewer hits but they would have done even more damage.

>>51886344
>500$
>stickers

How the hell did that happen, though?
I've like a good hundred Pirates of the Spanish Main ships, which I'd consider one step up from stickers, and that didn't cost me anywhere as much!

>>51886344
>half the US
So that's where the $500 went

>>51889096
Literally nothing wrong with pagodas.

Anyone here have experience with SpringSharp or other design programs?

>>51889116
That is Japan for you, they had plenty of plenty of bad ideas to go around.

>>51890872
It's not a bad deal. A battleship runs you about a dollar and a bit. Look up how big the complete UK fleet was in ww2, All the cruisers. All the dds. In battlesjips they had over 15. Must have had over 50 dds. Cruiser count was huge too.

I bought the entire german fleet, italian, french, and half each of the major us japan and uk. Thats easily over 100 ships per half fleet.

In all I probably got 700+ ships for around 500 usd, which on a per ship basis is bargain basement pricing.

For ref, the entire kgv line 5 boats, in ghq models would be 85 usd. The same stickers+wood is 11 usd from topside. The entire german navy is only 75$.

I get good looking durable table pieces with almost no assembly for cheap. I can game any conflict from ww2 naval history since i have all the ships.

I still collect ghq because they are pretty. But topside is a great resource for new players or people on a budget.

I will also add if you are doubtful of spending money on stickers, topside will send you a free demo piece to let you judge for yourself the quality of the product.

I got one before I bought most of ww2s naval forces.

I'm demoing a lot of naval games this year, and I didnt want to haul my tackle box full of ghq and hallmark ships around. Topside was cheap and colorful, and easy to transport.

I plan on picking up the other half fleets later this year, maybe with their great war lineup as well.

Victory at sea had the same idea for counters in the rulebook, this is just a more polished product

So for modeling purposes, does anyone have a picture of any Japanese battleship with her crane in the collapsed position? I feel like the jib more or less lowers straight down to the deck and the tower rests on top of it, but I can't be sure.

>>51895822
Which ship in particular?

>>51896205
Any of them, really. The only one I think I know is that Nagato's was stored IN the sponson, though the one model I've seen of Mutsu with hers stowed is resting on top of the sponson.

>>51896219
They didnt just steam with them up like every other nation?

>>51895742
Ok, I guess that makes sense. I looked at their site. It is 2.25 for a KGV vs 17 for a ghq model. Just over 1/10th the price seems fair. I think 500 bucks sounds like a lot for stickers, but if you got 700 ships that evens it out, 70 cents a ship is a good deal.

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>>51896611
Tbf coming up with an overly complex way to store their cranes instead of just doing what everyone else did does sound like something that nips would do.

>>51896665
Ain't that the truth.

>>51896611
>>51896665
To be fair the Nagatos and Kongōs were built before battleships were being given floatplanes, and so that equipment had to be fitted in where space could be found. Nagato and Mutsu had folding cranes because otherwise they'd actually block the barrels of X-turret from traversing fully to port. I suppose it would've been more expensive to rebuild the rear mast with adequate equipment.

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>when there's no hope of success but you go anyway because you're in too deep to turn back now

>>51896836
Meanwhile the QE c,ass got spotter planes withoutsuch a stupid limitation.

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>>51900777
Guess that unlike Brits&Yanks Japs didn't find midship aircraft facilities suitable for their needs.

>>51889071
That goes a long way towards making the ship more livable

>>51900777
The QEs were two meters narrower, had less substantial rear masts to begin with, had a different layout of superstructure and funnel, and were operating different aircraft with different handling equipment.

What works for one class may not work for another, and even when looking at the same ship different architects might bicker over what the best approach would be.

I'm planning a setting based loosely on ca. 16th–17th-century South-East Asia (with some African and Caribbean influences) that is going to have a lot of islands, piracy, and such.
Are GURPS vehicles rules good enough for small-scale naval warfare during that period?

>>51901419
Well the best approach was the British approach.

>>51901871
I honestly don't know enough about the era to give you a good answer.

I can tell you that:
https://ospreypublishing.com/on-the-seven-seas
https://ospreypublishing.com/fighting-sail-fleet-actions-1775-1815

Should cover most naval actions for pirates. Warhammer Historical's "Trafalgar" was also quite good.

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>>51886344
Hey, another Steel Ocean player!

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>>51902684
SeaWar1805 from Wessex games is also very good.

http://www.wessexgames.co.uk/p/other-historical-rules.html

Cheap too.

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>>51902766
Thanks for that anon!

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>>51893727
I do. SpringSharp's really easy to use, but it edges on the conservative side, and it has no provision for all welded hulls to save weight and the like. You do have to install an old NET framework and like 3 patches in order to make it run.

>>51904066
>like 3 patches
So THAT'S the problem!

I've been trying to get it to work on mac with winebottler, but even with the correct NET framework (1.1) it still won't work.

>>51904111
Yup, that must be it. When I installed NET framework, I received a notification that shit was obsolete (duh) and that I should patch it. Fortunately, M$ still keeps the patches available for download.

>>51904311
I don't suppose you can tell me what patches they are? I have no idea whether I can get it to work, but maybe I can bug /g/ or something.

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>>51904512
Older programs can be like that, have heard that the beta version of SpringSharp 3.0 can work without requiring you to mess around with old as fuck versions of NET framework but, given that I've never touched that version of SpringSharp, I can't confirm it.

>>51904836
>Laga
NO
YOU'LL BRING HIM HERE

Ive always wondered who would win in a fight. Bismarck vs Colorado or Nagato.

>>51905614
Bisko would probably suffer a total electrical breakdown within 30 minutes or something equally crippling. Poor girl just can't get it right.

>>51904846
What the fuck?
>>51904836
Noted. I'll try it later tonight.

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>>51905863
>>51904836
Not the same guy, I like my warships either sleek or top heavy and in danger of capsizing. This battleship just strikes an unappealing balance.
But seriously, a quick google search will tell you that NET framework 1.1 doesn't work well by itself and there's a ton of threads on different sites with people having the same problem, and the answers being given, so go try it and come back to us.

>>51906006
>Asashio
>Not Arashio

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>>51906013
>not going for the reliable nameship
>wanting to be constantly challenged and questioned
It's like you want a real woman or something.

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>>51906076
Don't worry, I already have one.
Anyway, we should stop this for now.

>>51905614
Weirdly, I think the Colorado > Bismark > Nagato.

Only benefit Bizzy had is speed. Colorado had tons of armor, could probably duke it out with Bizzy all day.

>>51906006
Good news, got the 3b3 to work.

Bad news, I have no idea what I'm doing with it.

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>>51906173
Good taste in cuties m8.

>>51908691
>springsharp
>no idea what do

Make the ship that could win Japan the war.

>>51907854
But the Bismark could choose the engagement. Bismark wins.

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>>51909455
Base should come tomorrow, and her topcoat has actually cured a bit more since the photo so she doesn't look as glossy. Had to use the ends of her spare catapults to more accurately model her pagoda.

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So is there any role where these two could validate themselves aside from pure reenactment value? Maybe specifically leading all-Akizuki formations?

>>51910547

A valid role? They had one at the time they were designed/built (WW1) and it was the destroyer leader role you suggested. Put them at the head of a Kaba or Momi formation in the 1920s and they're superb.

By the 40s they've been replaced in that role by better/newer designs just like many other ships in many other navies. They then filled other roles one of which was acting as a "big" destroyer in cruiser formations. Tenryu did very well at Savo in the capacity.

>>51914591

Exhibit #1 in the argument that the IJN was run by idiot savants.

>>51914881
>build a fast, armored carrier
>give it good heavy DP guns
>gets torpedoed because your destroyers are mostly shit at ASW
>subsequently explodes because nobody thinks to cover the fuel spills with foam from the fire suppression systems
Seriously, every nice thing they had.

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>>51915211
That is Japan for you.

>>51915211

Seriously indeed.

>Determine before 1900 they cannot fight a war of attrition with the US
>Spend 40+ years planning not to fight a war of attrition with the US
>Develop strategy, doctrine, tactics, weapons, ships not to fight a war of attrition with the US
>Fight a war of attrition with the US in the Solomons

>Have some of the best long range subs
>Have some of the best torpedoes
>Subs patrolling off US West Coast "see" no targets
>US doesn't even need to convoy ships east of Pearl

>Combatant most dependent on merchant shipping
>Does little to build more merchant shipping
>Does even less to protect merchant shipping

>Imperial Army needs oil to fight China
>Imperial Army only gives Imperial Navy 6 divisions to attack Philippines, Malaya, Sumatra, Borneo, etc. to seize oil.

Late in the war, the Imperial Army built it's own ESCORT CARRIERS to defend it's troop/supply convoys because the Imperial Navy wouldn't.

Idiot savants.

>>51918127
Don't forget the bit where their submarine doctrine was "go here, stay there and wait for enemies to come by" rather than letting them roam in their AO.

>>51918338

They had multiple sub classes with floatplanes. Could you imagine what a "wolfpack" with it's air recon could have done? Can you imagine the assets the US would have been forced to divert to counter that?

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>>51918508
>be allied with fucking germany
>never bother to ask them to send a memo about how to u-boat

Guess that 2 world wars spent by spamming submarines wasn't enough experience for Japs.

>>51918957
>Guess that 2 world wars spent by spamming submarines wasn't enough experience for Japs.

They saw their ally, the UK, come within months of losing due to unrestricted submarine warfare. They even sent warships to the Med to assist with ASW efforts.

Yet, somehow, they never thought it could happen to them and they never tried to do it themselves.

Idiot fucking savants. Night fighting and surface torpedo tactics? None better until radar gave the Allies the upper hand. Everything else? Either the worst or close to it.

How could you know you're going to be fighting outnumbered, that your opponents will have more ships, and yet NOT emphasize damage control?

What's that nursery rhyme? When they are good, they are very very good and when they are bad they are horrid?

Are there any pre-dreadnought systems with rules for building warships so you can play around with hypothetical wackiness, sort-of like Rule the Waves?

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R8 my special type destroyers.

>>51886344
I picked up the Falklands and Coronel set, will probably pick up Jutlands sometime in the future too. I'm too invested in minis for WWII to pick up anything other maybe plane and small craft counters though. Really nice product.

>>51918508
>>51918508
What kills me is they built cruisers like Oyodo with the specific idea that they would be sub squadron leaders, and never used them in that way.

>>51920293
They used Katori as flagship for 6th Fleet at the start of the war (why the hell did they put all the subs in one fleet?)

>>51920293

While part that was due to the "Norm" floatplane program failing, the biggest reason was the echo chamber the IJN lived and worked in. If you can find "Kaigun: Strategy, Tactics, and Technology in the IJN 1887-1941" by Evans & Peattie it's an eye opener. The IJN failed to reexamine earlier preconception while obsessing over trivia enough to create over-specialized plans using over-specialized ships.

Around 1900, they made a few assumptions regarding a war with the US and then never seriously reexamined them. They conceived of one way a war would be fought, dismissed any other ways, and kept refining that one way well past the point of absurdity. They then began building ships and weapon systems to fit those very narrow preconceptions. When the US "failed" to follow the script, the IJN's plans fell apart and the ships specifically designed for specific parts of those plans weren't much use elsewhere.

Their preconceptions had such a hold on them that they routinely ignored evidence to the contrary. I'm sure you've heard about the IJN wargame which "predicted" Midway only to have the referees reset the result. That's just one case.

They ran an exercise in '39 or '40 involving subs vs merchant shipping. They sent subs to the Home Island choke points and simulated attacks on merchants while ASW forces and aircraft attempted a defense. The subs "sank" 100+ ships in FIVE days but the only lesson from the exercise the IJN took away had to do with the efficacy of RDF.

Like I've posted before: Idiot savants.

>>51921336
>(why the hell did they put all the subs in one fleet?)

It wasn't all of them, just 3 of 7 flotillas, and it was an admin/role thing.

6th fleet was comprised of three different flotillas each made up of relatively similar designs tasked to specific & independent combat missions. The other 4 flotillas were assigned to the Combined Fleet and 2 others and tasked with missions which supported those fleets.

Look at the 1st Air Fleet. They combined some of their carriers into an independent strike force while assigning the rest into support roles with other fleets.

Think SAC vs. CAS.

>>51921810
SAC didn't do CAS, though, that was TAC.

>>51923186
>SAC didn't do CAS, though, that was TAC.

Jesus H. Titty Fucking Christ. I wasn't suggesting SAC performed CAS, pinhead. I was contrasting two different missions performed by the same type of asset.

Independent air power missions VERSUS air power supporting other missions.

6th Fleet's three sub flotillas performed independent missions while the 4 flotillas parceled out the other fleets performed missions directly in support of the fleets.

>>51919365
>How could you know you're going to be fighting outnumbered, that your opponents will have more ships, and yet NOT emphasize damage control?

But muh decisive battle, no need for damage control if we finish the war with it.

>>51920293
Japs built quite few boats around rather questionable ideas.
>instead of having our carriers carry a scout plane or two lets build a heavy cruiser capable of carrying multiple seaplanes to work as a scout for them

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>>51919997
> Only 4 inch guns
4/10 Not adequately wave ruling.

>>51928272
>30 knots

Is this 1899 or what?

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>>51928314
They were mainly designed as 'heavy' destroyers for open sea work, with an emphasis on reliability and seakeeping, as I consistently found my faster fleet destroyers with speeds more around 36 or whatnot could rarely reach those speeds in inclement weather and when/if they got to the battle the 4 inch guns weren't hitting hard enough to effectively deal with enemy DDs, preventing them from closing in to torp BBs and Cruisers.

So I made them slower but dependable, and with 8 5 inchers its not uncommon for them to render their opposite numbers nonfunctional within minutes of engaging. They ended up being my most successful ship class of the game, sinking something like 12 BBs and innumerable DDs and MSs for the loss of just 3 ships in their 6 year service life.

They were also designed to work alongside the less successful Royal-class CL in the raiding role, but this never really panned out due to the way RtW handles raiders.

>>51928272
>Only 30 knots
>Only 4 tubes

Nice light cruiser you got there.

>>51930586
>Nice light cruiser you got there.

Think destroyer leader...

>>51931308
Either way it's a shit destroyer. The extra firepower is not worth the reduction in speed and torpedo loadout. It's still going to lose gunfights against actual light cruisers, and now it won't be able to run away either.

>>51932101
>Either way it's a shit destroyer.

Miss this bit?

>They ended up being my most successful ship class of the game, sinking something like 12 BBs and innumerable DDs and MSs for the loss of just 3 ships in their 6 year service life.

I very much agree that, in reality, it's a shit DD. In RtW, however, it put under TWELVE BBs at a cost of three losses.

They were "game artifacts" true, but they were excellent game artifacts.

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>>51932316
Well. that's definitely interesting. I assume the BBs sunk were with torpedoes though right?

>>51932707
>I assume the DDs sunk were with torpedoes though right?

Ask the guy who designed and used them.

Every rules set can be "hacked" to some extent and >>51928272's Paladins are a good example. Their 30 knots was "fast enough", their 8.5 inch guns savaged opposing destroyers, and their torpedoes sank opposing BBs. They're the juene ecole come to life.

How bad was WWII US cruisers not mounting torps?

>>51918127

But that was after they already lost their attempt at a decisive battle, and since surrender or peace negotiations weren't on the table the war was effectively over aside from grinding the gristle.

>>51932823

Annoying in 42/43. Inconsequential in 44/45.

We've had this discussion before in previous threads. Surface launched torpedoes never lived up to their decades of hype. Every navy theorized they'd be decisive, every navy developed doctrine, ships, weapons, tactics, and defenses predicated on the theory they'd be decisive. Every navy saw all those theories and development essentially fail in practice.

Japan, naturally, took the theories to an extreme building a big chunk of their navy based on those theories. They had some successes under very specific circumstances. Yet those successes triggered doctrinal changes by the US which prevented further success even under those circumstances.

All of Japan's efforts over all those decades produced results for a relatively limited time in a relatively small area. Very telling, no other combatant in both worlds wars even approached Japan's very limited successes.

In reality, US CAs 'lacking' torps amounted to nothing. In a game, however, that same lack can be important.

>>51933419
Given that the time period when cruiser torpedoes could had useful was also the time period when American torpedoes were utter crap they really didn't lose anything by not having them.

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>>51934849
>>51933419
Bear in mind though, the ability to direct accurate fire in completely blind conditions was unprecedented and probably out of the scope of naval staff up to the late 1930's, by which time doctrine with which to fight the war was mostly set already.
tl;dr: RADAR OP pls nerf.

>>51932765
Correct, the Torps were what sunk the BBs as well as basically any of the Cruisers which they sunk, while 4 tubes might not seem like much, with the way RtW handles torp launching they were plenty, especially as I found launching less torps from multiple angles (ie making sure I made torpedo attacks with multiple DDs) most effective.

It's also worth noting they weren't my only class of DD in service, the 1400 ton 'V' and 'W' classes both existed concurrently, and could reach speeds of 36 knots, but they only mounted 4 4 in guns and 9 torps instead. However, their problem was since a lot of my operations as the RN happened in the Atlantic/Baltic, bad weather often reduced them to insufferably slow speeds, and one of the Vs (which had a lowered freeboard to save weight and give them greater speed) actually became swamped and sank during a storm. They were useful for running down enemy DDs certainly, but I found the Paladins could often do the same by sheer endurance, as their Reliable engines (rather than the Speed focussed ones found on most DDs) could keep them running at 30 kn basically indefinitely.

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>>51935924
So, nobody fielded light cruisers or what? This is becoming an interesting story.

>>51936578
Light Cruisers were reasonably common, and I fielded large numbers of 6 inch armed CLs and 'CA's which were essentially just proto-Crown Colony/Town classes with light armour and huge numbers of 6 inch guns.

What made that particular game interesting and different than usual for RtW was my luck with the Research system, I got basically only small craft stuff for the first 4 years and never got any of the large guns better than Qual 0, while I got +1 5 and 6 inchers before 1910. Consequently, my DDs and CLs had tech well ahead of the curve, while my BBs weren't really on par with the rest of the world until the late 1910s and particularly my armour was always heavier than usual for that point in the game, which really limited my ships' ability to soak damage. So I ended up with a very numerous but light lineup for most of the game, and consequently favoured consistency and the ability to 'punch up' in my ships.

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>>51936759
That explains some things, but still doesn't explain how other cruisers didn't punch your DL's a few new ones, considering they should've been right besides the BBs during those heavy weather torp runs.

>>51935056
>by which time doctrine with which to fight the war was mostly set already.

Except USN doctrine changed as a result of experience and was designed to change as a result of experience while, when their doctrine failed, the IJN kept doubling down rather than make changes.

>>51936844
That's actually kind of why the Paladins and their predecessor Tribals were so good. With the Qual 1 5 inch guns and 8 of them, they could actually slug it out on even terms with many CLs and especially a pair or trio of the blighters would do awful things to one. Combine that with my 6 inch Cruisers backing them up and forcing the enemy escort screen back or even destroying it was a common start to a battle, particularly if I did a good job positioning my fleet favourably (ie windward, crossing the opposition's T, drawing their light craft ahead and out of their BBs defensive pocket etc.). I had some pretty good BCs from midgame onwards too, and they'd generally be able to hold some of the attention while my lighter ships engaged, but nonetheless, losing a Cruiser or 4 wasn't uncommon for victorious fleet engagements.

>>51936759
>So I ended up with a very numerous but light lineup for most of the game, and consequently favoured consistency and the ability to 'punch up' in my ships.

The juene ecole done right.

>>51936844
>Japanese heavy cruisers actually look half decent with non retarded turret layouts.

Seriously, what is with their obsession with non super-firing turrets? Do they expect their cruisers to engage in a line battle?

>>51939113
DECISIVE BATTLE
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also the interwar trend of giving nominal light cruisers extra 6-inchers in the hopes that the faster firing but individually lighter battery would allow them to take on 8-inchers

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>>51939113
>>51939521
Speaking of retarded turret layouts, is there any recorded instance of a warship shooting it's own superstructure because they accidentally fired it while it was in it's neutral position? Part of me wants to think there should be some sort of mechanical safety lock which prevents the gun from firing too close to the superstructure, but I know dumber things have happened, esp in the IJN.

>>51939601
Nelson and Rodney had some problems blowing out the glass on the bridge whenever the main battery fired.

>>51940117

Rodney also smashed all sorts of commodes and urinals during the Bismarck fight when turrets fired on certain bearings.

>>51939601
>>51940200
Speaking of Bisko, the concussion of firing its guns knocked out its radar during the engagement with HMS Suffolk.

>>51940117
>>51940200
>>51940492
Yeah, I've heard about blast damage from firing on the wrong angle, but what about accidentally shooting yourself in the bridge because the gun crew were fucking off while the C turret was in it's neutral position?

>>51941285
Unlikely given guns were controlled and fired centrally by a director in almost all cases by the end of WW1 and certainly by WW2.

>>51928376
I built similar DDs in the run-up to a France vs. Germany fight, where I faced a 1:2 disparity in heavy ships. 32 knots, 3x2 5" guns, 2x4 torps. They helped turn the tide, but suffered extremely heavy attrition. This was in full derpy Admiral's mode. In retrospect, I probably should have built them like the Battle-class DDs: 2x2 forward, with a little more speed and some space leftover for FC upgrades.

>>51940200
HMS Agincourt also smashed its own Turkish-style commodes at Jutland. with its 14-gun broadside. Also, an old salt who was on a riverine force tender in the Mekong Delta told me that the pair of 5"/38s tended to create similar havoc.

>>51936759
Research system can either make or break a game.
>play as us
>the dreadnought race is starting to begin
>end up getting superimposed b + x turrets and 4 centerline turrets alongside with quality 0 14-inch guns from research
>nothing like building 4 x 2 14 inch dreadnoughts when everyone else is derping around with 12 & 13 inch 3 x 2 dreads

>>51941333
Not only could it happen, it did on at least one occasion. I can't remember the ship, but an American sailor overrode the safeties on their 5" turret and accidentally popped off a round into his own ship. There are also separate cases of men standing near the turrets suffering flash burns despite the safeties being engaged.

>>51944201
In tracking this incident down to the Alabama, I learned something new: apparently Renown did the same thing with her 4.5" mounts in 1941.

Still not the same as putting rounds into your own superstructure with your main battery, but solid proof that the safeties could fail or be manually overridden to disastrous results.

>>51939113
Need to cram in as many 8-inch guns as possible mixed with unwillingness to use triple turrets.

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Because shoving cats in cannons is a time-honored naval tradition.

>>51919997
>>51928272
>>51928376
What game is this?

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>>51946262

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>>51946542
Rule the Waves

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>>51946547

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>>51946262
>>51946547
>>51946555

When I remember how spoiled my two Siamese are, I can only imagine how pampered a cat aboard a warship with a 1,000 or so men would be.

>>51899056
>a ship is called "he" in Russian

Any idea when that started?

>>51947105
Different cultures have different ways to refer objects.

The real question is that whether those captured Russian ships became traps or not?

>>51947737
More like death traps due to poor maintenance.

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>>51946813
Pretty goddamn spoiled. Where/how exactly do you stow a ship's mascot when the noise starts?

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>WIP time
Nagato with a painted base but missing the texturing, Hatsuzuki and Yoizuki painted and inkwashed but not highlighted or based. I've also got Tenryu primed and waiting on the correct shade of grey.

Since taking the picture I've highlighted, but the sun went down by the time they were ready to photograph.

>>51948209
Looks good anon, with the highlighting I'm sure it looks even better. Did Japanese DD's wear any camo at all? I'm unaware either way, but it's a nice subtle looking scheme.

>>51948396
Yoizuki's TROM mentions she was given a camouflage pattern at the end of the war, but there's no description of it or any photos. So I gave her a simple scheme that matches Nagato. Hatsuzuki now has her name in kana marked on the sides.

>>51948396

There's a well regarded memoir by a IJN DD captain which mentions, but not describes, camo patterns. I can't remember the man's name or the books title - Alzheimer's is a horrible thing.

He was a noted pre-war torp specialist, fought in the Solomons campaign & elsewhere, was considered lucky, etc. IIRC, he was CO of the CL that was escorting Yamato when she sank.

Anyway, he writes a few times about how worn out the DDs & CLs and their crew were while the "big boys" seemingly stayed at anchor all the time. He mentions routine maintenance and simple repairs being put off over and over along with paint schemes not being touched up.

Would the relevant Ospreys have some infro?

>>51947946

I suspect they'd be popped into an officer's stateroom or ship's office. I also think the moggies mostly roamed around the weather decks, superstructure, galleys & wardrooms, "officer country", etc. where it would be easy to "kennel" them during GQ. I can't see them prowling around the magazines, engine/boiler rooms, shaft alleys, etc.

The crews of the Great White Fleet had an entire zoo of mascots during their circumnavigations. One BB's crew somehow got their hands on a bear cub before leaving the US. It liked to drink beer and sleep in a lifeboat. Sadly, it fell overboard one night and drowned in the Med.

looking for a naval war game for 1700 -1800

>>51949040
My grandfather's ship (USS Suquehanna AOG-5) had a monkey someone had acquired from somewhere. It was also fond of booze, and apparently everyone avoided then thing the day after because it was extremely cranky when it was hung over.

>>51950148

As we all know, HMS Belfast is moored in the Thames in London as a museum. Along with mannequins depicting various crew members doing various jobs, there's also a mannequin of the ship's cat asleep in it's own hammock!

>>51950281
If I had unlimited funds, I'd take a year and do nothing but travel the world and see as many museum ships as I could in that time. The little bit I've been fortunate enough to see has been amazing, but there's so many more I'd like to visit.

>>51948875
That'd be Tameichi Hara's "Japanese Destroyer Captain", but I don't remember anything about camo there. It's a fantastic read tho, would definitely recommend.
Osprey's Japanese Destroyers (1) also doesn't have anything except gray. I don't own (2) though.

>>51952766

That's it. Thank you. He doesn't specifically discuss camo schemes as much as note that maintenance, small repairs, and paint jobs are being put off and/or ignored because of the high operational tempo.

I could be wrong, but I got the feeling he was referring to more than just the usual painting & chipping for rust control.

>>51950346
That' would be a dream trip for me too. I'd love to visit Huascar in Chile. Not only do I enjoy that era, her career was mind boggling.

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>>51950346
>>51952932
We're all in the same boat here (tee hee).
I can tell you first hand that the old girl's a great destination, the arrangements are well thought out and she's well kept. She's surprisingly small tho, specially the conning tower.
Besides, Talcahuano is relatively cheap place, and you could feasibly combine it with a fishing trip on river or sea.
The Esmeralda replica in Iquique is rather underwhelming in comparison, partially since it's actually a building, but totally worth it if one's around the place (not likely).
Anyone here been to Olympia?

>>51953083
Nope, but I can definitely suggest Mikasa if you're ever near Yokosuka. She's been extensively refurbished over the years, and it's REAL weird to wander around her turrets and superstructure particularly if you're more used to WWII vintage ships.

There's also a small park with quite a few memorials, mostly for battleships.

>>51888944
Why did they go with that 4/2 arrangement instead of 3/3?

>>51953546
Apparently it had a lower center of gravity. Either that or they originally wanted 4/4 but it was too heavy and by the time they realized it, they decided it was better to just alter one of the turrets.

>>51953083
>Anyone here been to Olympia?

Many times. I used to visit the yard in Philly on business. While a great tour, she's "tired" and long overdue for a lengthy overhaul. She was kind of forgotten for a while but, with the New Jersey right across the river, interest has picked up again. The outcome for her might be as part of a combined NJ/PA maritime exhibit.

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>>51953433
>>51953620
Thanks, murricans are known for keeping old shit around so I hope she gets the treatment she deserves. I've only scratched one (two with the Esmeralda replica) for "steam age warships I should totally visit someday (pre WW2)".
I'm missing, in no particular order:
Olympia
Texas
Mikasa
Aurora
Caroline
And any other ship that comes my way. How many have you visited?

Is there anywhere to find the rules for Victory at Sea? I really want to play a naval combat tabletop but the mongoose publishing site doesn't carry the book anymore apparently, and ebay is a bust.

>>51953896
Off that list Texas and Mikasa. I just missed out on being able to visit Caroline on the centennial anniversary of Jutland, which I'm still sore about. I've also got all the remaining u-boats save for U-534.

There's also one at Bavaria Filmstadt that was reassembled from parts for Das Boot, but it's just the inner hull and internals so I count that as a half.

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>>51954105
I'd go for Naval War instead.

It's a free, living ruleset, where the community can actively suggest additions.
Can be fully downloaded at naval-war.com

It's my naval ruleset of choice and was in fact partially developed because the author was fed up with Mongoose essentially dropping VaS.

>>51954105
They're available over in the OP of /hwg/. I would still recommend Naval War though, it's a better system and the developer is highly responsive and hasn't spent YEARS lying about the release date of the next iteration.

In all seriousness though, download both and give em each a try, and play what you enjoy!

>>51953896
I've been to see the North Carolina twice and Patriots Point twice, once when it still had the Ingham and Savannah. Seen a small sailing ship (don't remember if it was a replica or restoration) at Charles Towne landing. Was in Key West two years ago, but I didn't have time to go visit Ingham again, and the closest I got was a few shitty pics of her from the lighthouse. I really want to go to see Olympia, as it's not too far to travel, and it's located in a place that I might could talk the significant other into traveling,

what are some cheap 1/2400 WW2 manufacturers available in the UK. I've got some GHQ stuff but the thought of adding more makes it hard when 3 destroeyers and a cruiser is pushing t#20.

>>51955539
That's gonna be a tall order. As far as I'm aware, 1/3000 is kind of the "standard" scale for that side of the pond, and 1/2400 is more a US scale.

>>51955607
Yeah, I just thought I'd throw it out there. I like the bigger ships is all. I guess I'll give Magister Militum with their GHQ imports all my shekels.

The few ships I have are things my Grandfather served on and I'd like a few Kriegsmarine for them to fight.

>>51955654
I like bigger stuff too, realistic groundscale be damned. Are you the anon that's posted over in /hwg/ whose grandfather had served on destroyers, a cruiser or two, and a battleship? If so, I recall being pretty astounded at the list, but I can't recall which ships they were.

>>51956030
I might be? I post in /hwg/ pretty frequently and I've mentioned it before. He was on HMS Emerald and HMS Ajax, some destroyers I don't know the names unfortunatley, HMS Baudouin (a converted ferry for troopship duties relating to D Day) finally being transferred to the Canadian Navy and being on a Castle Class corvette around the Aleutian Islands at the cease of hostilities.

He spoke mostly of Atlantic and Arctic convoys although he was in the Med for a quite a while. he also liked being on Destroyers and smaller ships due to the increased pay.

He never served on a battleship although I do have a 1/2400 HMS Ramilles just because I like either older outdated things being used or just general jank. He also ended up with part of HMS Tiger's (the WW1 BC) bell that was melted down and turned into an ashtray, I have no idea how he got it.

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>>51956304
Sorry it wasn't the HMS Prince Baudouin, it was the Prince Charles which was the sister to the Baudouin, they both did the smae thing in landing US rangers via LCAs. Theres many pictures of the Baudouin but very few of the Charles. I try to get as many pictures of them as I can hoping to see my Grandad. I don't have many pictures of him from in the Navy.

>>51953896
>How many have you visited?

I traveled on business for most of the 90s, so I saw quite a few in the US. All the BBs, except the Iowas, although I saw NJ take gunnery practice in the mid-80s). Texas, the LAST dreadnought, Olympia several times, and the Arizona Memorial several times too. (She's deteriorating quickly and the Feds are going to be faced with some unpleasant choices soon.)

Nautilus and Albacore plus several WW2 US subs. A surprising number were saved. U-505 of course.

The collections at Battleship Cover, South Street Seaport, and Patriots Point too. (I was serving aboard a CG in the Charleston Yards in '81 and saw then moving Savannah to Patriots Point.) There were a couple of LSTs on inland rivers but I can't remember hull numbers.

USS Cairo at Vicksburg, one of Pook's Turtles and a recovered, partially rebuilt wreck rather than a preserved hull. CSS Neuse has been rebuilt the same way in North Carolina and there's a 1/2(?) Albemarle replica too. Visited Newport News a few years back and saw the Monitor's turret in it's preservation tank. Apprentices at the yards there built a full scale replica of Monitor for the Hampton Roads maritime museum.

The ultimate buried treasure is USS Tecumseh in Mobile Bay. The park service knows where she is and monitors (no pun intended) the site. She's in several feet of hard mud and should be in great shape. Vasa and Mary Rose have shown that you need ALL the money for salvage and preservation UP FRONT so she's waiting on some whimsical billionaire to raise her. She'll be more of a treasure trove than the Hunley.

boat bump

>>51953896
>murricans are known for keeping old shit around
>tfw the Oregon got ripped up to be a barge in WW2
feels bad man
at least we've got the Blueback
ex-OMSI volunteer master race

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>>51947737
>Varyag's smile and optimism: gone

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>>51961204
>surrender to brits
>they hand you over to the yanks
>get commissioned into their navy
>maybethingswillworkout.jpg
>nope, they just go and cut off your dick and then nuke you

Prinz had a hard life.

>>51954975
>>51954158

Speaking of Mongoose, its about time they postponed it again :)

http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=118019&p=913845#p913845

"by msprange » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:31 pm
Things are starting to move - keep your eye out around, oh, March-ish next year"

"by Brass » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:01 pm
It's now next year, we're well into January and the silence since November has been deafening. Any news at all?"

"by msprange » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:19 am
There is indeed - stand by, we are just sorting a few dates out. I'll have something for you very soon."

That 'very soon' quote is starting to become classic by now since he has been saying that since 2013 :D

>>51962737
Some more golden quotes from that forum:

"by msprange » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:39 pm
Out of stock at the moment - we'll be making a general VaS announcement soon (don't worry, all good news!)."

- no announcement was ever made -

"by msprange » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:00 am
Warlord will indeed be taking over - the official release (for rulebook and box sets) is currently August, but I believe you will see single ships before then. Currently in the process of getting ships to them!"

August 2015 eh? Ow, and Warlord never took over, they just never mentioned it again.

"by msprange » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:57 pm
Late breaking news - tomorrow, we will be previewing, for the very first time, Victory at Sea 2.0. The delectable Amy will be running participation games of the Battle of the River Plate!"

First preview in 2012.....

My guess is that they are waiting till all the naval players have died of old age so they can present their game as a whole new category of gaming! :D

>>51962787 what kills me is that the rules are by all accounts *done* and have been for years, not just for VaS 2 but for the ACW version that David Manley had helped write, which was supposed to be released several years ago as a PDF. And we continually get more Judge Dredd and Traveller stuff. It's passed far, far out of the realm of "benefit of the doubt" and way into bullshit land. Which absolutely kills me, because the original was pretty well supported (particularly in Signs and Portents, another memory of when Mongoose used to be a better company), and seemed to have a decent and enthusiastic following. It's all so very frustrating.

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>>51961679
Shame too, Prinz Eugen was quite excited to try some clam chowder.

>>51963059

An anon is a recent Traveller general thread described Mongoose as GW's retarded little brother. Mongoose wants to be as successful, evil, and uncaring as GW, but they're too incompetent to achieve any of those things.

What does that ? Simple: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

While this doesn't absolve Mongoose of the shenanigans surrounding VaS2.0, it does mean you should spend your dollars elsewhere. There are plenty of rules your minis can "fit".

>>51890872
>Pirates of the Spanish Main
My nigga

>>51966501
I actually think of Mongoose more along the same terms as I do Catalyst Game Labs or Spartan Games- incompetent, short-sighted, and unfocused. I don't take the constant lying as malice, but rather ohshitwe'redumbwedonefuckedup.

>>51966586
Still got my whole collection, waiting for the day I sit down to learn Wooden Ships and Iron Men or Frigate or one of the others.

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>>51962737
>>51962787
Even if it came out VaS2 would probably just end up being Duke Nukem Forever of boat games desu.

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>>51961679
>position Nagato for an atomic test
>first bomb misses the mark and Nagato survives
>she's the only battleship in the array that's still functional
>investigation suggests that Nagato's funnel and boiler designs should be studied to improve future USN designs
>nah, fuck that blow it up
>AGAIN
>second blast doesn't immediately sink her
>too irradiated to decontaminate, starts listing
>the list evens out on its own, still won't sink for three days
If ever there was a capital ship that just didn't want to go, that was it.

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>>51969404
Tough girl desu.

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Post SpringSharp ships?

>>51971834
Looks p gud senpai, dunno which version of SS you're running but on mine I'd see the stem and stern freeboards as separate lines.
You could find use to that 0,1 of hull strength you have left, not that it makes a big difference, BUT, you seem to be lacking things.
First thing I'd notice is that you have no misc weight allocated. I've been told you need like 100t just for boats on bigger ships.
You also don't have any weight left for additional AA/equipment for later.
You only need 70% steadiness for an excellent gun platform, so you could increase your seaboat quality which is verging on not good.
While 150k shp is perfectly doable on such a big hull, I find that SS is very conservative on speed, so your cruiser would probably hit 36.5 kt light on a lucky trial run. This is sanic fast. If I remember right, 32.5 kt was the norm for fleet ops.
And finally, 3" of deck armor seems awfully little compared to the massive belt and 5" gun armor. It could stand to be improved, together with the main turret faces.
It still looks like one tough customer, maybe you can draw it for us sometime.
Oh, and take all of this with a plate of salt, after all I'm just a fat neckbeard on the internet.

>>51972235
>>51972235
>You only need 70% steadiness for an excellent gun platform, so you could increase your seaboat quality which is verging on not good.
Really? When I was fiddling around with the stability & seakeeping slider, it seemed like reducing the steadiness also reduced the seakeeping if you went far enough, but increasing it beyond about the 70 point didn't do shit. Maybe it's just something with my layout?

Also, how much weight is a steam cat for a seaplane, anyway? I think I'll need one.

>>51972557
Oh herp, you're right, I was thinking about stability, which is marginal but still on the good side.
Anyways, reducing speed a little will improve those, and have in mind that these numbers are for the ship running at max speed, so of course you'll get wet if you're going sanic on a gale.
Also, I usually give me at least 45 t for a cat and a couple of planes.

>>51947946
>>51949040

The USS Washington had a dog on board for almost all of WW2. It was trained to report to it's own GQ station in the powder room of turret 2 IIRC.

>looking for springsharp threads on other sites
>find this https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/hypothetical-or-just-ridiculous-super-battleships.395688/

Try to find where OP fucked up massively in his design before someone points it out.

>>51973083
Holy Emperor of Terra, where did he NOT fuck up?
I'd start listing but I wanna give others a chance (to all 3 of us here in the thread), and the list would be longer than the list of different gun calibers on a French pre-dread.

>>51973083
>https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/hypothetical-or-just-ridiculous-super-battleships.395688/
>Cuckbattles

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>>51972235
>>51972749
>this machine kills japs
In retrospect, I realize I've basically built an Alaska but as a Heavy Cruiser+ rather than the funky CA/BB mix she was.

>>51947737
On that note, are USS Constitution and HMS Victory the iron grandmas?

>>51976148
Probably?

>>51966784
>>51963059
>>51962787
In the meantime on the mongoose forum:

y Brass » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:07 pm
Okay, it's March.

by msprange » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:11 pm
It is... and we might need a little more time. Things are moving though...


So all is well...as it has been for the past 5 years

>>51978228
There is no V@S2 in Ba Sing Se.

>>51978228
Maybe someone should go to the mongoose forum and put that Brass guy out of his misery and point him to the Naval War site instead :)

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>>51969404
>younger sister randomly blows up
>cousins get used as weapon testing target/mutilated into shitty carrier
>sink after getting nuked twice
>after all that gets forgotten in a favor of 2 hotels that never did anything

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Progress report: touching up needed. Still trying to find some water effects for Nagato's wake, and if I like the results I'll move on to basing Yoizuki and Hatsuzuki.

>>51956745
>You will never be dirty rich enough to sponsor the salvaging and preservation of a Civil War Monitor

What's the point anon

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Cruiser stern or transom? Which ass really gets your screws turning?

Pic related is my preference, a cruiser stern with a bit of tumblehome.

>>51982652
Double-ended, with turrets as close to symmetrical across the midships as possible.

>>51982652
Transom. Gotta go fast.

We can talk about Steel Ocean right?

>Don't have any light cruisers or carriers
>Still want the battle patrol daily
>Decide to buy a TII german DD to get it
>Club seals, 9 kills, no deaths.
>Still lose the match, apparently I was the ONLY one getting any kills.

Fucking bots.

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>>51979640

>>51979640

She was a tough old dame, wasn't she? If i ever hit the lottery - which I don't play - I'm taking one of those Bikini Atoll dive trips.

>>51980966

A man can dream, can't he? Tecumseh is a war grave, but Hunley was one too.

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>first time playing as france
>end up having a war against austria-hungary
>this is their most common type of pre-dread

And I though that the AI France's designs were bad.

>>51987008
Yikes

>>51987008
LaughingItalianFrogman.jpg

>>51987008

Ugly, but not that much different from the real thing. Check out A-H's Monarch-class coast defense ships from the 1890s.

Can RtW build something as odd as the Russian Ekaterina-II pre-dreads? Something with side by side twin turrets forward?

>>51987807
It can build even weirder. Go google Badnoughts.

>>51988040
>single turrets only
>no centerline mounts
>low freeboard
Jesus Christ how horrifying

>>51987008
Hey, it still counts towards blockade points, which works against Italy. I also ran down an Italian raider with this ship, too.

>>51961204
>9 years as a trap
>returns home, feels free
>get taken by the Brits cause of the revolution
>sinks himself rather than crossdress again
RIP in peace

>>51992952
Remember he also sank himself the first time, right after the gunboat standing next to him blew himself up.

You lads playing campaigns, where the hell are you based? Keen to get in on some of this action.

>>51984396
>play steel ocean
>like the Deutschland class visually
>grinding on the goddamn Emden trying to level up
>seeing the Atlanta basically be a mini battleship with more torpedoes than me

Feels garbage, man.

>>51994444
>Atlanta
>good at surface engagements
I'm thinking this game you're talking needs to do a little rebalancing.

>>51987008
>1924
>have basically taken over most of mediterranean
>try seize albania
>fucking japan sends its troops there
>and so started the 1st franco-japanese war

Just got a delivery of aircraft tokens from Topside minis.

So, time for some more carrier action in Naval War soon.

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>>51995417
Now to put all of these stickers onto the pieces of wood...

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>>51995968
Get a marker and use it to black all the edges, and let it run a bit over on the top too. It makes it look nicer, and helps hide any imperfections either in the laser cutting of the wood or any uh-ohs that happen while you're cutting the decals. It really does help.

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Bump with a base. Thoughts on whether it's worth repeating with the destroyers and Tenryu?

>>51995177
>Atlanta
>not good at surface engagements
t. Akatsuki

>>51994444
German ships just suck in general until TierV. The Atlanta is partly balanced by it's smaller guns and low HP. It's a threat to DDs and other Atlantas, and that's about it.

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>>51998097
Looks decent enough that it might be worthwhile if you feel like doing so desu.

>>51998097

Looks great and it's well worth repeating.

>>51998097
From this potato picture, the wakes look pretty damn good.
Try not taking pictures with a potato though.

>>51992952
>"I've already committed suicide once, what more do you want from me?"

>>52002859
>get in the fucking dress, variag

>>52003047
>I didn't get awarded medals by both my own country and the enemy and have a march written about my last stand just to go through this again!

>>52003047
>varyag is shinji
suddenly the crossdressing makes sense

>>52005243
At least Shinji wasn't ripped from the grave to be conscripted by the Angels.

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>>51946554
>>51999850
Don't mind me, just posting another shipgirl.

>>52005684
>tfw no bloodborne/kancolle crossover art featuring Gascoigne as Gascogne
feels bad man

>>52006059
Bloodborne's too busy being an Idolmaster crossover.

>>52005684
>secondaries on the sides of the bow sections
REEEEEEEEEEE JUST PUT THEM ON THE BACKPACK BIT

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> This kills the DD

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>>52010667
Oops, gave that the wrong filename, was meant for pic related. Triple turrets and being chummy enough with the US for them to sell you superfiring tech early is also broken though.

>>52010674
KGV/10, would use.

>>52013943
>>52008825
Mogami a sex
>>52011552
The Showboat a sex too

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>be Japan
>be famous for your carriers and destroyers
>only one class of destroyers can actually do all of the destroyer things
>most of your "DP" guns are hand-rammed, slow to train and elevate, and have no proper fire direction
>never deploy your carriers with enough fighters until you don't have enough anymore
>leave your scouting to your cruisers

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>>52014780
That is Japan for you, for every thing they did right they also made at least half-a-dozen major fuck ups.

>>52015827
>>52014780
To be fair, nobody but the burgerclaps got a proper medium DP gun that was workable on a lively destroyer hull in production, or a good DP director, for that matter. The Type 99 was a decent gun though, but I guess they didn't want to give up 10 calibers of "surface engagement performance" for a higher RoF.

>>52014780

Like we discussed in an early thread: Idiot Savants.

>>52016564
The British 4.5 inch was pretty good, they just never were able to build enough of the things to meet demand.

>>51990258
Pasta cruisers?

>>52017434
Yeah. Look at the flag on the middle one.

>>52017024
>SoDak
Eww. NorCal master race.

>>52018047
I was looking at the guns, but actually the superstructure is really interesting

>>52017159
True, but not only that, it wasn't until 1944 that they became standard on DDs because of what you just said, but also because they had to make a variant using semi-fixed ammo.

>>52019198
>>52017159
The 5.25 inch, while certainly not without its issues was also very good, with well above average ballistics and elevation/traverse rates. Unfortunately it also suffered from heavy shells and cramped gunhouses which combined with similar supply issues as the 4.5 basically meant it was never available in the numbers required, even for its pretty minor role.

>>52018296
>actually the superstructure is really interesting

Guess that I've spent too much time with boatfuckers because that sounded lewd as fuck.

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>>52025825

"O-onii-chan, what are we gonna do in the drydock?"

I was trying to find one with two BBs in dock; gonna have to settle for this lewd shot of the Oregon.

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>>52025854
>>52025825

"Admiraaaal~
Come scrub our bellies please!
We're fouled and need a new coat of paint <3"...


...in b4 b7 because lolicon.

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>>52026207

"Oh, my my~... What would you want with an old warship like me~?"

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>>52026286
"Hull inspection...? But I just came back from my shakedown cruise! Huh? No! I don't m-mind! Drain the water already, it's not like I care showing you my hull! s-stupid admiral..."

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What is the most waifuable type of boats and why it is carriers?

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>>52026418
St...stop staring at my funnels anon! My bridge is right here!

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>>52028001
>not wanting your ship to have a massive gun to shoot you with
What are you, gay?

>>51886344
You ahhhhhh paid 500 dollars for stickers?

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>>52028306
You call THAT a bridge?

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>>52028584
Apparently it was a shitload of stickers so the price per a sticker was pretty low.

>>52029147
Are the japs afraid of giving shipgirls proper pants?

>>52029428
Why give them proper pants if they're just gonna get wet with the water and also get in the way of a good ass to look at?

>>52029147

I worked in Japan, vacationed in Japan, read about Japan, and so forth.

I also believe Terence's famous quote "I am human, and I think that nothing of that which is human is alien to me."

All that being said, I've never been quite able to wrap my head around cartoons of little girls dressed up like ships, tanks, aircraft, disc operating systems, etc.

>>52029510
Personifying things has gone on forever, man. The Japs are just ahead of the game with it. I wish I saved the 30s personifications they did of their ships I saw once.

>Virginia looks like a cyborg, wears a mask to cover her horrible third-degree burns, still has broken-up bits from Merrimack's original screw frigate design

>Monitor looks cleaner and more 'whole' by comparison, but scared of storms

>Old Ironsides still has her scars, keeps a picture of her with her five sisters when they were young, has a Barbary corsair's head as a trophy in her room, and can only really understand HMS Victory because they're both centuries old and still breathing. Sometimes, in her sadder moments, she wonders if it's time for her to die already. All her sisters are dead and she's lived longer, worked longer, than any ship is meant to. She's proud of it, of herself, but maybe it's time to go to sleep.

>>52029559
>30s personifications they did of their ships
As in, produced during the 1930's? That'd be a new one.

>>52029559
>Personifying things has gone on forever, man.

So that's what my 19th Century Punch illustrations, political cartoons, and various postcards are! I never knew. Thanks for telling me.

>>The Japs are just ahead of the game with it.

If by "ahead" you mean "creepily perverted", than, yes, I guess they're ahead.

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>>52029559
This one?

>>52029675
Yeah. At least the first half of the screencap.

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>>52029669
If you're gonna humanize something you might as well go and make it as fuckable and/or waifuable as possible.

>>52029675
Surely there were similar things to those for ships that were... you know. Important?

>>52030068
2 capital ships and 1 modern cruiser probably count as fairly important even if they're rather shitty boats all things considered.

>tfw no Blueback ship-waifu

>>52029806
>everything needs to be fucked

Okay...

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>>52031409

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>>52031409
"Can I fuck it?" is one of the fundamental questions that man has asked ever since he first became self-aware enough to ponder things.

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>>52031409
>not wanting to fuck ships
fag

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>>52031633
>>52031560
>>52029806

>>52029428
Its hard to swim in pants

>>52029147
At least tell me you made color copies or scan of them so you can print a set or two off for a friend yo make their own ships cheaper

>>52031699
Have you tried getting gud?

>>52029806
>silhouette is clearly a Bongo
>name is Kongo
>girl is a bastardization modeled on one of the 7-gun destroyer leaders
>>52031560
>silhouette is clearly a Nagato
>her name is Nagato
>girl is also clearly modeled on a light cruiser, more likely a Tenryu
What is this I don't even

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>>52032165
Welcome to the Dakku's single guns period.

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>>52032165
>Clear elements of pagoda masts on the armour, most obvious on Nagato
>Each gun only has half a turret

It's older art, from before he decided on just slapping the entire turret on the end of a rifle.

What are the best European manufacturers in terms of quality, range for WW1 and 2?

>>52033704
What scale?

>>52031699
>surface ships
>swimming
Don't botesluts just sorta skate on the water?

>>52033821
Probably 1:1800, that's common, no?

>>52028001
>liking flat

>>52035926
Never mind, seems 1:3000 is the yuro scale

>>52029600
>Virginia
>not a plate-armored Char clone
A shitton of the kancolles got refitted at some point, and they aren't rocking the Waifu of Frankenstein look.

>>52039211
>plate-armored Char clone
Technically I have to accept that.

The initial idea was just based on the refitting being after a critical injury - like Oryol getting refitted into Iwami after almost exploding and needing to be refloated during the towing.

Routine refittings of an outdated-but-otherwise-healthy ship are one thing, restoring a crippled one to working order is another.

>>51886344
>stickers
I want to get into botes, care to drop a site where i can buy these? Also some pics would ve appreciated

>>52039284
>>52039211
>mfw the Virginia can honestly say she never betrayed anyone in her life because she technically died
My god, she is a Char.

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>>52035329
Skiing/walking on water seem to be the most common portrayals.

New thread?

>>52040572
ok senpai
>>52041186

>>52041267
Thanks anon, just in the nick of time, the bumpheads have burst and she's listing hard to page-10side, it's only a matter of time now. Abandon thread!