Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51883291
>How does your character settle down after a hard day of adventuring?
Weapon and armor maintenance and cleaning. Preparing a hearty meal for the party based on what the hunter has trapped and foraged. A little bit of lute and singing in the firelight and then take my turn on watch or bed down.

>>51883291
he relaxes by attempting to sell worthless garbage and sand as 'consecrated holy items' to the gullible
hawked a bag of sand to a man in the middle of the desert for 3 gold

Repost for new thread!
Second Avowed writer here. While we're currently discussing our options on what to do with Overcharge Modulation, Self Pact's preliminary nerfs (we WILL be playtesting this more) are a change to make the damage dealt by the bonus attacks entirely static (though scaling with level). They'll trigger non-damaging effects, but neither benefit from bonus damage or additional damage sources (so they can't trigger Sneak Attack, for example.) This should make it easier to tune, while still having some interesting optimization benefits.
Further, like with a lot of OTHER attunements, we'll be making theirs scale with their level, though not quite as harshly. Their charisma bonus to armor class will be capped at 3+class level, meaning they'll grant a similar bonus as someone in light armor should it be a one-level dip, while rapidly providing their full benefit to someone who decides to take more levels.
While we're presently still working on it, Aether Channel's second-rank selection is being removed and replaced with a different effect. Their DPR with full base attack bonus was simply too strong, and we'll be reworking the ability.

In other news, we'll soon be bringing two new shapes to the Avowed 2 playtest - the all-new Aether Circus, which fires extremely long range missiles that track their target over several rounds, and Aether Beast, for those who would prefer to stand back and have their loyal minion do all the work. Thank you for your support and feedback!

>>51883276
Sorry to say that is indeed what will be going. Its damage was just way too far ahead of the touch attack shapes, in part because our original math hadn't accounted for weapon special abilities.

>>51883291
Aether Barrage doesn't seem to be a problem at the moment. We're pretty happy with where it is right now, though it's possible we're missing something. How does it feel in your games?

>>51883369
What do you think of the 2hu Aether Barrage builds?
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>>51883163
Yo avowed writer, I'm not some hardcore math grinder, but
>Aether Channel's second-rank selection is being removed and replaced with a different effect.
Fucking. Why. The biggest glaring problem with Aether channel is that it added full Aether Pulse damage (that could be overcharged) on top of the weapon damage, the full BaB was just an actually cool bonus effect that made it feel kinda cool and unique. It never looked like it should have been something that did most of your damage for you, it looked like it should have been a build enabler shape.

The most obvious problem was how it applied full Aether Pulse Damage, not the Full BaB part.

>>51883291
I'm tired of hearing about avowed here. It feels like all that anybody talks about.

Here's a question: If you could grow up and live in any one city on Golarion, which would you choose?

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>>51883418
Not a city, but Hwanggot!

Hwanggot is objectively, canonically the most peaceful land in all of Golarion. Pic related.

>However, as the aged queen slowly recedes into the background, there is some concern that the transition following her inevitable death may not be as smooth as might be hoped, for Princess Geon-ji seems strangely restless and aggressive for a member of that proud family line. Rather than adopt the traditional role of diplomacy against Hwanggot’s greatest current enemy, Bachuan, the princess instead ordered the erection of a network of mammoth stone fortresses along the Shuidao River—the border the two countries share. Government agents work night and day to explain and disprove rumors that Hwans have been captured by Bachuan agents who have infiltrated Hwanggot, and that the captives have been tortured or even transformed into undead assassins to be sent back into the Kingdom of Flowers to spread misery.
>yfw she's secretly a bloodthirsty kumiho

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>mfw the GM didn't show up to last night's game again

>>51883382
Overcharge Modulation is the biggest problem at the moment, and we are working on it. The extra attacks granted by various shapes are because we actually balanced with Haste as an assumption - given they don't stack with that, we're not super worried.

That said, Forrest is the one with the spreadsheets and we WILL be taking a closer look.

>>51883394
The problem was that it was dealing too much damage. Altering the damage progression, like the Kineticist does with a similar effect, results in odd breakpoints. The full base attack bonus also just proved to be harder to balance around because of the effect additional iteratives and BAB had on DPR. Ultimately our intention with the shapes is to have them be the primary source of an Avowed's damage, not just a small rider effect.

>>51883382
2Hu is an idiot who can't into PF.

>>51883291
Drinking, archery practice, equipment upkeep, cuddling, fucking, and drinking.

>>51883418

Ooh! Ooh! Can we afford to live there? If so, either Kerse or Macridi considering how comfy they are!

That said, I'd have to adhere to the Prophecies to truly be one of them, and those are strict! I might have to settle for living with the other anon >>51883430
in Hwanggot, we might even be neighbors!

>>51883494

>Cuddling followed by fucking

But why?

And on the SoP front, Dark is going to be the next book published (hopefully this month). Current playtests are:

Creation Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kitAB8sHgmuD3fvOMuI_KyV_dxpO2wrxQmbnCoRgglA/edit?usp=sharing
Dark Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zHRZyaMh_QwWcQ-ROGCjQyCdflD6cbm9VdEOJMpC06I/edit?usp=sharing
Mind Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kp4acH7zTk4e3DfPdYDfTk1jJClly3yp27Jfrf3FRWw/edit?usp=sharing
Time Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xrcVb8f4isNrnf0c4A-ek9AmU8UD9nNULJF5v6dRwNM/edit?usp=sharing

Gear of Power Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zIomq0TFP7uPdlFB8VRAIWQEjAXLV5CYpP3HmjySynU/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Handbook: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBfoH6YcTdD3kwjn3ikItWPBGzIm9g3SVkVvUQD1yUw/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Tables: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NU5bK1Dyzu66KgIdrHNaaXBw1eHVpcHZHOh5BDaxMzU/edit?usp=sharing

>>51883474
Shutting down? Source?

>>51883548
His ass.

>>51883527
Not that anon, but after a long days of adventuring, some might just want to lie down and relax. Fucking can get exhausting and sometimes you might just be too tired.

And/or the list was in no particular order.

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Tell me about the custom equipment you've obtained for your familiar/animal companion/eidolon.

>>51883548
Google it.

>>51883599
We gave our ranger's pet badger two furious daggers.

>>51883613
What made the daggers furious? Did someone assume their gender?

>>51883468
>entire vast array of shapes that exist to use aether pulse damage as the primary damage source
>shape all about using real weapons good does too much damage because it adds aether pulse damage to the good actual weapons can do
>but lowering the aether pulse damage is bad
>instead we're making it so it doesn't use weapons as good

It's Forrestfire's class, and you're free to design it as you will since you've all likely done far more things to check it over, but this shit still looks dumb as fuck to me. I guess I'll just have to give it time for myself to stop being such a salty little bitch and possibly hope there's an archetype down the road that has the things I want from Avowed.
Self Pact changes look pretty alright, at least, so good on ya'll there.

>>51883628
When the mage was enhancing them to be +2 weapons, the daggers got triggered because we assumed that there's only +2 enhancements. Through this freak accident of completely inanimate objects gaining sentience the daggers became +1 furious daggers which we strapped to the badger and taught it to use them instead of it's claws that a bandit decided to pull out with pliers as a petty revenge.

>>51883599

I gave my character's son a fully articulated action figure of my character!

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>>51883369
The heights attained by the 2hu builds are pretty much maxed out affairs (in one case you even turn into a fly for the accuracy you know?) with +10 dex by level 9. Since that 200-odd is all even those can pull off, It's pretty safe.

Rather the problem with barrage is that it was only attaining those with the heavy static bonuses getting snuck in from everywhere and then multiplied before being multiplied again in a barrage.

In other words, on its own, by default, without overcharge modulation and with *regular* static bonuses (just CHA and FCB), it... wasn't holding its own.

Say you've got +6 CHA by then, and +3 from the FCB: that's 5d8+9 times three hits. You're just able to take out a CR-2 on average...

Now the weapon-based shapes DO have additional costs (in weapon and accuracy) so it's natural they ought to hit harder; that much is not an issue. But this means that shapes such as barrage or chain (turn that wrath cylinder 90 degrees towards enemies and we can talk about naming something wave!) are technically lacking in the *ABILITY* to grow.

Simply put; Barrage without Overcharge is just a bit short; what it needs is a crystalline-focus equivalent. It's basically in a similar position to Kineticists in that the "it's not costing you WBL" was originally screwing them up the tailpipe by virtue of leaving them without any upgrades. If a level 9 can't attain at least 115 DPR even after heavily optimizing everything right down to race, the shape is dead.

Likewise with AoEs; you gotta at least be able to deal with half your CR (and we never run into half; more like a large pack of -3s by 10th)

>>51883681
Go on then. Show us proof.
There'd be far more cheering than you seem to believe.

>>51883431
Which game anon?

>>51883610
Google says here's your (you)

>>51883698
2hu also deliberately misinterprets rules and purposefully uses illicit workarounds under the assumption 'total GM permissiveness' regardless of whether they're actually allowed in game or not.

>>51883573

That just makes me wonder what the laziest sex position is.

>>51883636
Your feedback has been taken on board, and we will discuss options to enable your style of play. Our aim with Avowed is to make as many people happy as possible. Can I ask what you enjoyed about the BAB boost the most?

>>51883677
you can almost hear the child's eyes rolling backwards

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Okay, so I have a question.

I'm new to PF, my GM is starting a game, Core Only. I'm making a "general good stuff" Wizard. Which school of magic do I choose to specialize in? Which two do I drop? And why? Please and thank you.

>>51883713
My IRL one. The worst part is he's been ignoring all our phone calls. Like honestly I wouldn't be upset or angry if he just picked up the phone and said "Yeah, I don't want to spend any more Thursday nights hanging out with a bunch of doods in a basement." But this cold shoulder treatment is the worst.

>>51883430
Kumiho?

>>51883752
Depends on who's being lazy.

The chick? The lie flat on her back like a comatose lobotomy patient position.

The dude? Cowgirl/Reverse cowgirl.

Both? Fuck uh... Phone sex?

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>>51883758
So tell us more about the missiles. And obviously how you intend to have it interact with other shapes through those combiner feats, because MDE WARHEADS AND HOMING LASERS.

Speaking of, those combiners are one of the ways to help scale the damage at a more reasonable pace, since such things just can't be done at 0 "build" cost.

>>51883862
Universal
Fuck specialisation.

>>51883876
are you sure he's okay?

>>51883752
The spider

>>51883896
Lie flat on her belly, actually. At that point she doesn't even have to spread her legs. It's usually the way to roll your wife over when she doesn't want you to wake her up because of work.

The laziest for both combined is probably spooning. You can get by with very minimalistic motions for the most part.

>>51883920
Okay, that's nice. Could you elaborate , please? Is there some terrible downside to specializing?

>>51883862
Conjuration is the best. If you summon a lot, you need to do prep work so that you're ready to fight with them at the table. Other conjuration spells are great, too.

Enchantment, evocation, and necromancy are common opposition schools.

>>51883956
Not same anon but it's more what universalist gets you. The level 8 ability is free metamagic. That's huge, especially since it grows at 1 free spell level per 2 levels in that way and doesn't increase casting or preparation times; you do it on the fly as needed.

Meanwhile a specialist has to choose two schools that they suck at: those cost you double slots. AND you're worse at crafting.

For a first-timer universalist is fucking good. Later on, of course, transmuters, conjurers and the like can get very great mileage - usually evocation'll be one of the oppositions especially for a conjurer since like 1/3 of the best evocation spells ... are actually fucking conjuration spells instead.

>>51883758
I'm being kind of a selfish, whiny cunt about it, but it was a combination of things.

>The sheer novelty of being full BaB, with all the usual benefits it entailed (faster access to certain feats, better power attack, better accuracy in general)
>easy-to-use shape for autistic dumb fucks like me who want to be able to just "hit dude good" when combat comes around without worrying about gimmicks
>Avenger Vigilante is my favorite Vigilante Specialization and I got excited that there might be something similar in Avowed
>I get to pretend to be a Real Martial(tm) but still get to have a bit of magic so I'm not trapped in the hell of being totally mundane
>did I mention I am a basic bitch who tends to gravitate towards very simple things

>>51883862
Divination. Acting first in combat is a wizard's bread and butter.

Opposition schools: Evocation and necromancy aren't that useful on the long run.

>>51883862
Specialize in Conjuration, but take the Divination School.

>>51883931

That sounds really lazy, though spooning fits snugly into cuddling!

>>51883989
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>>51884039
Thanks for the help guys. D&D/Pf is new to me, and I don't really know much outsides of memes, so it's appreciated.

>>51883927
Actually, no. I don't even know where he lives. I know it takes him a little over half an hour to drive to my buddy's house where we have the games, but beyond that I couldn't tell you if he lived north or south of me.

I gotta get to the bottom of this. I assumed he just lost interest cause of the drive time but if something else happened, I'm gonna feel like such a bitch.

>>51883862
Conjuration and Divination are going to be the typically best choices, however, if you're just going for 'general good stuff' then there's nothing wrong with Universalist; it doesn't gain much in the way of many boons that other schools have, but the lack of any penalty to any spell is nice to have.

>>51883752

There's probably something in Pathfinder that can make it even lazier, some sorta object transference ring that doesn't even require you to be pressed up against some sweaty, stuffy person.

>>51883862

If you're looking to make a generic 'good guy' mage, Conjuration & Transmutation are good choices for specialization; lots of good spells in both; Conjuration's not quite as god tier as it was in 3e, but it's still very good.

As far as opposed schools, you can safely ditch one of either Enchantment or Illusion; they both largely target Will saves, so you don't really need both. Necromancy's another easy drop - it's all undead shit and evil shit, and while a lot of it's good, none of it is critical.

>>51884096
Might be a good idea - you know if anyone in your group can go and check on him?

>>51883527
Cuddling is far more comfy and you can do it when you're tired or injured. Plus she also has abandonment issues which result in cuddling being far more soothing.

>>51884108

Ring Gates FTW!

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>>51884143

Is this the lonely Tiefling girl?

>>51884192
Nope. This is a 3'2" ball of anger.

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>>51883909
Lockon system: Every round the missiles roll to attack BEFORE moving: If successful they beeline towards their target, on a miss they keep going straight. When they intersect the square of the target is when they blow, when they lose lock or run out of fuel, they're out. Not taking at least a 5' step when being chased could lead to being hit despite a rolled miss, but you can also outrun them with shit like dimension door easily.

>Aether Circus + Barrage
>Panzer Dragoon: The homing lasers gain the RTA quality of barrage if the missiles weren't already (otherwise give'em CHA to hit and make'em ignore miss chances from concealment,etc)

>Aether Circus + Lance
>Bomb-Pumped XASERs: proximity detonation during terminal guidance fires off a lance at 10ft. The missile is very much charging the target when it blows. Of particular value against the next one:

>Aether Circus + Retaliation
>Aegis System. Your Retaliation now gets an additional trigger condition: you get to AoO missiles that get adjacent! CWIS that shit!

>Aether Circus + Aether Well
>Micro-Dimension-Eater warheads. Go on. Be a Messiah. But Gerwalk will do a number on your back

>Aether Circus + Rampage or Blade
>Melee Fin Funnels, Go!

>Aether Circus + Wrath
>We motherfucking EVA cross explosions now

>Aether Circus + Swarm
>Starting on the second turn they split into even more micromissiles. These can be re-targeted. Itano Descends upon us.


like this, anon?

>>51884222
Who just happens to sleep with a tiefling girl?

>>51884222

Halflings shouldn't get involved in binge drinking or banging the big folk! She'll get a reputation among her kin!

What slur would you use for a Halfling that regularly sleeps with humans, anyway? Something related to the size difference feels important.

>>51884234
This sort of thing doesn't actually sound any fun for a tabletop game.

>>51884192
>>51884143
>tfw you'll never cuddle with a cute tiefling girl and rub the top of her head to make her feel safe

>>51884302

For me it was the bit between the eyes, where the nose connects.

>>51883599
Nothing yet but I'm wanting to enlarge my roc companion to be fucking huge, then bard it up and place that war elephant platform thing on its back then ride it around as a cool mobile home of a giant screaming eagle.
Alternatively, I'd like to set it up with barding full of loops and belts or whatever allows me to attach a gorillion roar cords so any time it flies or dives it fills the land for miles in horrible screaming sound.

>>51884292
Different people have greatly varying definitions of fun. Remember that anything more lively than gregorian chant was the devil itself to some folks long ago.

It's badly worded but this suggestion could be quite usable. A lot of systems have shit like homing missiles, and they're often rather badly done.

In the worst cases, they're just a normal to-hit roll + time-to-target, which means you KNOW which one's the nat-20 that you need to shoot down first, and which ones will never hit you, right when the trigger was pressed down.

Fragged Empire sorta has something similar: Initial missile launch has an attack roll: either they're shot dumbfire and resolved immediately (but that can be like a -8 to hit) or they're fired with guidance, in which case a successful attack roll... uh... puts a token (like summons) on the map. The missile will now move normally like yet another ship, until it reaches the target's space (if ever), at which point, uh... it rolls to hit again. And no, that original roll wasn't to obtain a lock; that was a different action you did probably the turn before.

Here, maybe too many rolls but the moving thing is no different from flaming spheres or disposable summons except without a derth of actions and options it can take.

Needs a bit of work but can definitely be worked from.

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So! Who all's excited for the weekend? Any big plans, game-related or otherwise?

>>51884391

Rise of the Jade Regent! Saturday!

>>51884382
It's a flaming sphere you have to roll an attack for every turn just to determine what direction it moves in, that can be spammed indefinitely (and should, because otherwise you're sitting on your ass waiting for one missile at a time to hit or miss).

Why the fuck would you inflict that on your group? Why the fuck would you inflict that on your GM?

>>51883431
>Mfw players stop showing up to games and some don't even bother giving excuses anymore

>>51884350
Like with two fingers? Or the nose? .... Lips?
I mean, what are you using to rub that space? Or is that your "safe space?"

>>51883369
I don't really like the 3+class level cap to AC, it feels like too much of a hard ceiling.
Sure, one that won't matter much under standard wealth/stat progression, but the idea of knowing it's there is a looming overhead feeling.

Would it be possible to simply give full CHA to AC after class level 4?

>>51884421

... A finger? It's a comfort zone.

>>51884391
I'm running my friends through a 1 shot in another system to get both their and my feet wet. Nothing pathfinder related, though judgement on WotR should be rendered soon and that's pretty hyp.

>>51883369
>Aether Beast

Damn, that sounds cool.

Is there an ETA on when that will come out?
Will it be an option before my Avowed|Vigilante-gestalt-only game runs in a bit over a week?

>>51884405
How the fuck is that worse than any summoner ever?

I'd say take out the "roll every turn" though that's definitely too much. But putting moving tokens on the map? At least they're just position indicators and not motherfucking AoO Flanking machines with statblocks of their own.

>>51884391
Finishing up the Runeforge in the session tomorrow. We ended when the statue in the crypt decided to start raising hell after we infuriated the GM by endlessly countering the lich's spells while taking potshots at him when he is taking a negative bath.

>>51884430
Oh. I wouldn't know.

>>51884405
My previous GM and group fucking deserve it. Put one of those on the map per die of the aether pulse I say.

>>51884492
Are you saying that the 'dump twenty minions on the board' summoner ISN'T a problem?

Moving tokens wouldn't be a problem. Rolling every turn just to see what direction your missile moves in, for every single missile you put out, is a problem.

Best barbarian rage powers? Level 5 btw.

>>51884391
I am preparing for the feast of salt that is the closing of WotR's applications. Six anons will be very happy no doubt, but thirty six of them will not.

>>51884508

Well now you do!

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>>51884510

>>51884535
And knowing is half the battle. Apparently, the other half is 25% blue lasers and 25% red lasers.

>>51884518
I'm in agreement with you on that one. But I do think the moving tokens is a good one.

It would probably be just 2-4 like barrage does, and they probably don't last more than a few rounds, so it probably only makes it to 20 if the enemies are like 2000ft away and your first missiles have yet to reach?

I am very much not >>51884510 anon here

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>>51884559
GI JOOOOEEEE

>>51884526
Whatever one gives lunge. Or is it pounce? Whatever it is that let's you charge into a full attack.

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>>51884239
A very warm and comfy tiefling girl.

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>>51884638
>not posting the full image
Also pretty sure that's a regular human. A human covered in blood and viscera, but a regular human none the less.

>>51884559

But why do you want to know how to make me calm and happy?

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>>51884660
Because...

(You)'re my type.

>>51884655
Anon do you know how hard it is to find good images of halfling warrior-types?

>>51884262

Probably Bowlegs, considering most Halflings won't exactly be walking right immediately after being with a good-sized human man?

>>51884262

Slip 'n' Slider?

So I'm kinda new and need to make sure I'm not missing something. Regular gauntlet attacks count as unarmed, does this mean a monk can simply wear one and then use it for his weapon magic enhancement, assuming he attacks with his fists? It doesn't seem quite right but it's literally in the same category as Unarmed.

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>>51884691

A-Anon... Seeing that little red ! and knowing it's you makes me all giddy inside.

>>51884736

Yuuuup, wearing gauntlets is a time-honored tradition amongst Monks.

>>51884736
Officially things like gauntlets and knuckle dusters don't add their bonuses to unarmed strikes, it's a stupid rule ignored by any remotely sensible human being.

>>51884792

Oh I'm sorry, why don't we try to make a water balloon fighter effective too?

>>51884812
Psh, water balloon fighting? Don't be ridiculous, that's as stupid as making crossbows effective.

>>51884812
>Oh I'm sorry, why don't we try to make a water balloon fighter effective too?
Are you seriously saying that punching someone with an enchanted glove that's enchanted to hit harder is equivalent to making a fighter with a water balloon?

>>51884833
I mean, OBVIOUSLY.

>>51884833
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pvkj&page=3?False-Options-in-Pathfinder

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>>51884812

What do you have against water balloons?

>>51884812
>water balloon fighter
That's stupid.
Dip Alchemist 1 and get int-to-damage with all splash weapons.

>>51883891
Basicly the kitsune who actually kill people are eat their livers.

>>51884858
>Splash weapons
You cheeky shit.

>>51884866
I might have make my kitsune into that.

>>51884876
Seriously. Fill them with holy water and you'll be killing undead by the bucketload.

>>51883927
I've always thought it would be really awkward for the players of my online game if I suddenly died. They'd just never see me online ever again and have no idea why I suddenly stopped.

>>51884457
I'll work on pushing it live before then. It's worth noting that its damage is intended to be weaker than Aether Channel or Aether Blade, due to creating a meatshield with lockdown potential rather than putting you in harm's way.

>>51884975
This is the sort of thing that keeps me up at night too, anon.

one of the only things stopping me from killing myself at this point is the thought that none of my online friends would ever find out what happened to me and I couldn't make them live with that worry and uncertainty

>>51884526
>>51884604
The Beast Totem line, or Superstitious/Witch Hunter/Eater of Magic later on.

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>There is no Elemental unique Clause that allows you to effectively teleport to wherever your Elemental's "element" is occurring
>Fire Avowed poofing out of fireplaces or walking out of huge walls of flame, Water Avowed emerging from the sea, Energy Elementals literally ride the lightning (Who needs a drop pod when you can deep strike on a thunderbolt?)

>>51885006
>>51884975
You could always set up a deadman's switch of some kind.

>>51884391
I have a game to run later tonight. I was not looking forward to this session until yesterday night, when I had a sudden flash of inspiration for the coming session and am now looking forward to it. Instead of just going into town to murder a badguy, they're going to get wrapped up in a small conspiracy involving trying to prove the badguy is a badguy and then having the chief of the police pitch their evidence into the fire after they go to the trouble of collecting it because he's secretly in on the whole mess.

I also played in a game yesterday and had a lot of fun being a wide-eyed and hopeful dragon hatchling starting her first adventure. Tomorrow, I have another game to play in a non-PF system.

>>51885052
>ride the lightning

Things I never knew I needed.

Also: fuck you, now I need this.

>>51883909
The projectiles function somewhat similarly to aether wells, though they move directly towards a target (though they can move around corners and will not collide with walls) at the end of each of your turns for a limited number of rounds. When they reach a square occupied by a creature, that creature gets a reflex save to dodge it - on a successful reflex save, the missile continues in a straight line until it finishes its limited movement. If the missile still has turns remaining, next turn it'll move directly towards the target again. Ranks, at the moment, are doubled movement speed, 1d8/CL damage, and an area of effect upon detonation.

This is a very early draft, and the finished version may appear somewhat different.

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>>51885052
>Energy Elementals literally ride the lightning

>mfw I am the storm

>>51885081
think you got the wrong post there, m8

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>>51885133
So it seems

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>>51885156
Don't worry anon. It happens to the best of us.

>>51884015
As I understood it it didn't give faster access to feats because it was a temporary BAB increase.

>>51885226
Selection: When you use this shape, your base attack bonus from avowed class levels is equal to your avowed level until the start of your next turn.
>This increase only applies when making melee and thrown weapon attacks, but functions as normal BAB in all ways, including gaining iterative attacks on a full attack and meeting prerequisites.
>and meeting prerequisites

looks like it works to me senpai

>>51885052
>>51885088
>>51885122

Well hey, instead of this you get to summon a pet at level 12!

And at level 16 you can summon a bigger pet!

And at level 20? An even, even bigger pet!

>>51885246
I took that to mean anything that scaled with your BAB scaled with your new, upgraded BAB. Otherwise that completely flies in the face of PF's "temporary doesn't qualify you for SHIT" general rule.

Doesn't really matter now anyways since it's going away.

>>51885271
specific trumps general.

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>>51885271
>"temporary"
>can be kept active indefinitely, but functions as full BaB only for melee/thrown weapon attacks

please don't remind me

>>51885297
>indefinitely
No you can't. Free action activate, 1 round duration with unlimited uses is very different from activate once, stays on forever like the buff clauses have.

>Nosoi
>Invisibility at will
These little fucks can stay invisible permanently, can't they

>>51885342

You betcha!

>>51885342
They have to refresh it and it's broken by anything that breaks invisibility, but yes they are very good familiars.

And cute. CUTE!!!!

>>51885357
>And cute. CUTE!!!!
I require proofs.

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>>51884391
I have a Strike! game (very excited for it!), Pathfinder game (not as excited but still good) and one other game that had to be postponed because life is catching up with me.

I hate responsibilities and I hate university. Just let me be NEET forever ;_;

>>51885340
>costs nothing to keep active, either in resources or actual actions, to the point that it might as well just be a toggle ability
>"THAT ISN'T INDEFINITELY"

Technically, as-written no, but it literally might as well be. A Synthesist isn't "indefinitely" in their fused form, but people still decide that it's "close enough" and let them qualify for shit.

Just wondering, but do others think Combat Precog for Stalkers is one of the dumber things written for them?

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>>51885368
Here's my nosoi familiar for a game that ended up not happening!

>>51885271
That rule only applies to ability scores. Everything else works fine as long as you can get it.

>>51885380
>but people still decide that it's "close enough" and let them qualify for shit.

I want to say I remember reading "temporary bonuses that can last over 24 hours allow you to meet prereqs" but I can't remember where.

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>>51885399
Here's some official nosoi art!

>>51885416
I know that's a rule for worn items like Stat Belts or Headbands, but does it stick for stats granted by abilities?

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>>51885432
And some more!

>>51885445
>>51885432

Why do they like hats?

>>51885388
It's the 7th dumbest thing written for them.

>>51885452
I think it's a psychopomp thing.

Or maybe they're from Gensokyo?

>>51884382
>>51884234
Man, anon, I see you around a lot. Why are you so desperate to do lasers and rockets? It's getting annoying.

>>51885452
it's a psychopomp thing.

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>>51885452
Hats make little birds cuter

>>51885380
>but people still decide that it's "close enough"
And people would be fucking wrong.

>>51885462
>Or maybe they're from Gensokyo?
Are there any death-birds wearing hats in Touhou? Utsuho is a nuclear crow from hell but I don't think she applies.

>>51885518
Mystia? She likes hunting people, but she's not explicitly a death bird.

>>51885518
>death-birds wearing hats in Touhou

Nearly everyone wears a hat or some kind of head ornament in Touhou. It's something of a running joke. If there's a death-bird in Gensokyo, she wears a hat.

>>51885534
Nah, but she is a songbird, and Nosoi do like to sing don't they?

>>51885515
And none of the people who do that are playing PFS where you have to be autistically chained to all RAW no matter how retarded, so why the fuck should we care?

>>51885557
They do! In fact they have a special song that entrances people and undead.

>>51885557
>If there's a death-bird in Gensokyo

There is, her name is Aya.

>>51885557
>Nearly everyone wears a hat or some kind of head ornament in Touhou. It's something of a running joke.
I know. I am not really a Touhou fan but I like it and I am also a weeb so that's something I should know.

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>this sudden influx of birds in hats

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>>51886141

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>>51886179
tfw this pic is literally me

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>>51886274

Tengu Squad when?

>>51886426
>entire party of courser swashbuckler tengu
>wallrunning, airjumping, acrobatic action
I can shiggy diggy

>>51886426
I know it'd be impossible to balance, but I really want to play a nosoi sometime.

>>51886457

>Party gets caught committing a crime
>Play it off as being lovable scamps

>>51886494
>Best heist game ever!

>>51883474
Oh hello Shitseeker Anon.

It's been a while, how you been? Still desperately of the delusion that people from here would be overly sad about Paizo going under?

Would you play this campaign? Changed it a bit since last time.

>Razmir Triumphant
>Begins with strange happenings around Gallowspire, the PCs sent to investigate
>find out Razmir cultists are doing shit to the tower
>uncover pieces of a plan, can't get the big picture
>suddenly a force out of Razmiran arrives
>Razmir has, for some reason, left Thronestep himself to lead the forces
>only brought as many as he could defend, burned a war path through the mountains to get here
>it is discovered that Razmir has for some reason needed to get to Gallowspire
>part one ends with Razmir reaching the obsidian tower and doing some ritual
>the power is destroyed in a massive earthquake
>the countryside is devastated
>Razmir stands triumphant having consumed Tar-Baphon and he himself become a power mythic being
>all the mythic ranks awaken Razmir's divine spark, his priests surge with power
>all the PCs, several of Razmir's men, and a few NPCs were exposed to mythic power when the tower went down
>the party has to head south to Taldor
>news follows them
>Razmir is gearing up to conquer all of central Avistan
>the Shining Crusade is to be called again against a new thread
>Razmir is not satisfied with what he has received so far, he plans on finding and uprooting the world's old evils to consume

Most of the big evils in Golarion are imprisoned or indifferent. Razmir plans on consuming them all to become a new God-king of Avistan and beyond. You and Taldor must stand tall against a new living god.

The idea is that main NPCs for the adventure and villains would be taken from those exposed to mythic power when the tower went down. Meaning you meet your villains early on and see them suddenly experience explosive growth in power, same as the PCs.

In the current age in Golarion a lot of the world's big evils and players are either imprisoned, asleep, or gone. Geb and Nex are, the whispering tyrant, the arisen have fucked off. The world's big players are recluses.

>>51886620

I'd give it a college try if it's a high-level start.

>>51886620
Seems pretty bland and coookie cutter.

>>51886620
This guy >>51886691 is right. What I'm seeing is:
>no lewd
>no deus vult
>uses GOLARION
>no memes
In other words it's complete fucking garbage.

>>51886426
Never, we're still waiting on the Tiefling Squad from a million threads ago.

What's the evil world shaking plan of an abjuration wizard BBEG?

>>51886724

You're complete fucking garbage!

>>51886620
Meh. Not a fan of the mythic rules.

>>51886773
Isolate Golarion from other planes entirely.

>>51886773
Disjunction. He's trying to destroy the world's magic items to widen the gap of martial-caster disparity.

>>51886844
how is that evil?

>>51886773
Put all his enemies in boxes and laugh as they slowly starve to death.

>>51886852
Because Golarion needs the other planes to work.

>>51886811

What? Why? What's wrong with MYTHIC.

>>51886724
>no lewd
>no deus vult
>no memes
I see nothing but pluses.

>>51886870
Shit, what ISN'T wrong with mythic?

>>51886870
What's right with mythic

>>51886739
I missed that, but it intrigues me and I wish to know more.

>>51886862
Why? Do the tides, agricutlure, and the atmosphere stop working if people can't teleport into the City of Brass to pick up exotic extra-planar drugs.

>>51886876

He's being sarcasmic.

>>51886880
>>51886881

It provides a mechanical way to precisely define just how legendary a character is.

>>51886898
>It provides a mechanical way to precisely define just how legendary a character is.
What kind of autist needs this? And it really doesn't since there's nothing about mythic that inherently makes your character legendary.

More powerful, but you can still be an obscure motherfucker with mythic.

>>51886895

NOOOOO

REEEEEEEEEEE

YOU NEED PLANAR SHENANIGANS FOR MUH WIZARD ABUSE

NORMIES PLEASE GO

>>51886895
No, but if that portal to the plane of fire shuts down the world is going to get a lot colder. And if the Boneyard isn't connected to the world every single person who dies turns into a ghost.

>>51886898
Yes, but one of the points of a game is to provide a challenge for you to test your legendaryness. With mythic you can challenge every single goddamned demon lord, horseman, arch devil, empyreal lord and their mothers into a massive 1 vs. the Rest wrestling match and come out with your sweat barely broken.

>>51886880
>>51886881
>>51886898
Immortality and the ability to have your own Clerics are literally the only interesting parts of mythic. Everything else is bloat and/or shit.

>>51886925
I am >>51886620
For Razmir it would mean a lot though because it:
>makes him an actual god
>makes him immortal and eternally young

Razmir finally made into a true god would actually be a pretty fucking great villain I think at least.

However you know what I realized this campaign would need. You need someone on your side at the same level as Razmir to lead the Shining Crusade. Razmir is LE and claims to have completed the test of the starstone. How about the CG god who actually completed the test of the starstone?

Cayden Cailean vs Razmir with you Cayden's top men and fighting Razmir's top men. We already had a big AP that focused on Iomedae, the other Starstone gods need focus.

>>51886925

The game already has rules for downtime, reputation, relationships and running a rebellion. Why not mechanics that define just how exceptional a person is?

Mythic means you're a cut above the rest. Are you honestly going to tell me a level 15 will somehow garner more respect or fame than a level 1? Don't make me laugh, they're both a miserable pile of basic stat boosts and the common peasant will spit in your eye.

>>51886895
The sun shuts off first of all. Next the moon destabilizes because the entire Moonscar dies. Every dead mortal becomes an insane ghost rather than passing on. The world begins to freeze because of no connection to the plane of fire. Rovagug's influence would increase because no one can maintain the cage.

The world fucking goes to shit in 20 minutes flat.

>>51886952
I mean, you're actually not really wrong. The sun is literally a portal the the positive energy plane, so if someone tried to cut the material plane off from all other planes, most or all stars would go out.

>>51886976
I like that there's a Mythic Power that makes you immune to curses and if you're an Oracle you can FINALLY shrug off the downsides of your curse. Just a really cool flavor thing.

>>51886983
>You need someone on your side at the same level as Razmir to lead the Shining Crusade.
No you don't, because then the game will quickly feel like you guys are basically just mooks fighting a proxy war for NPCs.

>>51887001
>Why not mechanics that define just how exceptional a person is?
It's called "levels". Mythic rules are just useless bloat.

>>51887001
>Mythic means you're a cut above the rest. Are you honestly going to tell me a level 15 will somehow garner more respect or fame than a level 1? Don't make me laugh, they're both a miserable pile of basic stat boosts and the common peasant will spit in your eye.

I think you are being sarcastic but am unsure.

>>51886976
Which is exactly what Razmir would want it for?

Though I disagree with you, a few other cool parts are:
>having your own artifact
>some cool martial abilities
>super leadership
>becoming a herald

>>51887011
The sun isn't on the planet though. So Golarion would still get all the heat and shit from it's exposure.

The moon also isn't on the planet.

That's what undead hunters/destroyers are for.

That's what the sun is for.

Rovagug fucks off too because he's an extra planar being.

>>51887028
>No you don't, because then the game will quickly feel like you guys are basically just mooks fighting a proxy war for NPCs.
Except that isn't really true? It would be no more so than in Wrath of the Righteous being Iomedae's champions.

Being a god's champions should be "basically just fighting mooks". Honestly I am actually not seeing where you're coming from.

>>51883291
Drugs. Flayleaf, Cabble-weed and a Cigar or two

>>51886957

That is patently untrue and your lies disgust me. A mythic cannot challenge all of creation to a brawl and come out unscathed, however a challenge of skill where you come out relatively clean against some mighty foe will absolutely make you seem practically god-like in the eyes of the common folk.

You think Sveinn Blood-Eagle became a Linnorm King because he had a party help him magic a Linnorm to death?

>>51887069
>It would be no more so than in Wrath of the Righteous being Iomedae's champions.
And it's exactly what it felt like in Wrath of the Righteous.

>>51887021
Disconnecting just one of the planes from the material was a huge part of Eberron's setting, and threat of a newly coterminous Xoriat has powered more than one of my campaigns.

>>51887061
Disconnecting the other planes wouldn't banish all outsiders from the material, just leave them stranded.

>>51886862
Still not seein' the downside.

>>51887116
cause it ruins the status quo and anything that ruins the status quo = teh ebils!

>>51887061
>The sun isn't on the planet though. So Golarion would still get all the heat and shit from it's exposure.
>The moon also isn't on the planet.
Fair, if it's just Golarion itself then these wouldn't be an issue.

>That's what undead hunters/destroyers are for.
I don't think you understand. Literally every sapient being becomes an evil ghost. That's a FUCK TON of ghosts, no way they can keep up.

>That's what the sun is for.
Actually can't keep up. Golarion would begin to freeze.

>Rovagug fucks off too because he's an extra planar being.
Depends if it banishes all outsiders currently on the plane or sends them back.

If it sends them back then it fucking releases Rovagug, which is a hundred fucking thousand times worse.

Some other issues would be the following:
>any number of extraplanar requiring machines/devices shut off
>divine magic stops working unless they worship an arisen or starstone god

>>51887095
No, I think he became the king because he was a dozen barbarian levels ahead most of his army.

>>51887128
let me be more clear:

fuck Golarion and the horse it rode in on.

>>51887061
BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE HIGH LEVEL UNDEAD HUNTERS BECOME GHOSTS?

>>51887132
>divine magic stops working unless they worship an arisen or starstone god
Even then I should think that most of them aren't actually on Golarion at any given time.

>>51887102
I am not getting the attitude of:
>having anyone stronger than you equals just fighting mooks

Razmir needs some reason not to just crush the PCs since they are mythic creatures who could pose an eventual threat. Cayden Cailean being around and supporting the crusades is an actual reason. Razmir and Cayden fighting while the PCs work to cut off the many heads of the mythic champions Razmir has seems very interesting to me.

Otherwise why would Razmir not just scry and die the PCs before they could pose a significant threat, the moment he becomes aware of a group of mythic creatures running around trying to mess with his plans.

>>51887159
But most of them live on other planes. If they can't connect with the material plane then they can't give clerics their daily dose of divine power. And the ones who do live on the Material? It's fuckers like Ydersius and Rovagug.

>>51887132
>Actually can't keep up. Golarion would begin to freeze.
Wait, the sun doesn't warm/energize the planet?

How the fuck to plants work?

What fucking warms Golarion at all?

>>51887032
>>51887040

Except it's true? What happens when you hit high levels. You simply fight an Advanced Goblin instead of a Normal Goblin, and your quests come from Advanced Innkeeper instead of Innkeeper.

In fact, in 80% of APs the story explicitly ends with the party solving a problem than going home, nobody the wiser there was a threat at all. Only Wrath of the Righteous gives the party visibility and... Oh, what's that? That's right! It's Mythic!

>>51887154
The same thing that happens when you or I become ghosts...

Nothing.

>>51887128
The thing is depending how the cutting off works it could fuck golarion so royally that is destroys the multi-verse. The second Rovagug gets out golarion is fucked something fierce.

>>51887154
We give them Sun Orchid Elixers a cadre of highly trained doctors shadowing them at every given moment.

We don't let them die under any circumstances.

>>51887095
Sveinn isn't Mythic whatosever, actually. He's a 17th-level Barbarian and canonically went to seers and soothsayers to get blessed before he shanked a Linnorm. So, yeah, he got some magical help and did it with his bare hands otherwise.

>>51887187
A little of column A a little of column B. The sun doesn't warm it enough.

>>51887192
That has nothing to do with mythic and everything to do with terrible writing.

>>51887187
The sun warms the planet. Portals to the plane of fire warm the planet. The planet radiates heat. These things are in balance. If the equation changes then the planet warms or cools, depending on where things are taken out or added.

>>51887128
>muh status quo
The gods being able to service the cage means Rovagug gets out and the multiverse ends

>>51886844
This was actually the climax in The Apocalypse Stone, where the prime material gets cut off from other planes. Basic results were:
>divine magic shuts off, since outer planes are cut off
>summoning magic also fails for a similar reason
>spells like teleport, dimension door, etc. that move through dimensions fail since interdimensional travel can't function
>the dead can't be resurrected, and the newly dead can't pass on and instead become wandering spirits
>undead begin losing powers, and new undead cannot be animated due to a lack of connection to the shadow plane
>extraplanar creatures currently on the prime material cannot return and lose powers
>elements begin swinging wildly out of balance, including rains of fire, midday blackness, drying seas and lakes, etc.
>swarms of rabid kender
>the awakening of the tarrasque

>>51887192
Reign of Winter? Kingmaker?

>>51887233
>>51887233
>. Portals to the plane of fire warm the plane
Where?

Also why? Like from a writing perspective, why write it like that? Seems so bizarre.

>>51887265
>swarms of rabid kender

Literally the worst thing to happen on that list.

>>51883369
>Aether Circus
>an Itano Circus effect

You cheeky dickwaffles.

Anyway, on damage balance: having full BAB equivalence and hitting touch is not as much of a problem as handing out a very large multiplier to damage that stacks with other sources to damage. Extra attacks are a very large multiplier to damage, which was then multiplied further with the Overcharge x1.5.

Take the Gunslinger. Weapon cords and the double barrel system were nerfed into the ground due to players saying Slinger damage was OP. Note that Gunslingers get to use their to-hit stat to damage, which is on the lower end of damage boost abilities.

What made a Gunslinger dangerous before the wave of nerfs was the fact that, with weapon cords, reload tricks, and the old double system, along with TWF and Rapid Shot, they could get a very large number of attacks every round (Barrel one hand one, barrel one hand two, barrel two hand two, drop hand two, barrel two hand one, reload hand one, drop hand one, reload hand two, pick up hand two, barrel one hand two, barrel two hand two, reload again, barrel whatever hand two for RS hit + Haste, reloading when necessary).

Now not only is that really annoying to remember or deal with in play, it was double the attacks of its closest comparison, a Fast Bombs Alchemist at level 8. Our flasked avenger friend was putting out 5 flasks (Iterative 1 + Iterative 2 + TWF + RS + Haste) instead of 10 bullets, which also benefited from magic weapon bonuses. The bomb Alchemist is considered acceptable. The Gunslinger caused much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Bomb Alchemists get Rogue damage, but on a very limited resource. Gunslingers got default damage on $TEXAS attacks all day. When you take the silly attack numbers away, the Gunslinger is bottom bitch of the martials. When you add a lot of easy hitting attacks with bonus damage, you get the Beastmorph Vivisectionist.
>cont'd

>>51887228

Actually both, Mythic is needed to be mythical and Paizo is just plain bad at writing change to their setting.

>>51887209

Yeah, and Sveinn's a footnote in the history books because he's just another pure level loser. You need real power to be remembered and that means Mythic.

>>51887192
You clearly have never read the Continuing the Campaign segments.
Or had the concept of a good GM.

>>51887291
I really should have added that when I ran it.

>>51887282

Reign of Winter is only a big deal to a forgettable nation of losers in the middle of nowhere, it's about as worthless as Kingmaker since River Kingdoms rise and fall all the time and, wink wink, your country is one.

Friendly reminder that the after-campaign notes for Kingmaker only involve fighting back against Brevoy, not becoming a new king. So you don't even get that.

Ha!

>>51887291
I don't know, no one can criticize you for punting a rabid kender into the next country.

>>51887102
>>51887173
Also, thinking about it there is some more reasonings as to why the player would not simply feel that they are Cayden's lackeys. The fact that he is the following:
>absent
>doesn't make decisions
>generally incompetent
>prone to deific level benders

Cayden would essentially be a sledge hammer being wielded by a retard during the adventure. He's a deterring force if Razmir tries to force a direct conflict, but not exactly a commander. He wouldn't be leading the crusade, it isn't the kind of deity he is.

Razmir is weaker but a good deal smarter than Cayden. Cayden is just really fucking dangerous as an actual starstone god compared to Razmir who is just a demi-god if he consumed the Whispering Tyrant.

>>51887192
>Only Wrath of the Righteous
Hell's Vengeance ends with the party acting as Thrune's closest/most powerful advisors/agents and taking down the very leader of the Glorious Reclamation.
They are basically heroes of Cheliax, or at least until Abby gets bored of them and tries to take them out and strike their names from history.

>>51887192
I can't tell if you're trolling or not

>>51887315
I say all that to say this: when making a damage bonus effect, decide what your damage bonus will be (flat, multiplier, bonus dice) and resource mechanic behind it (static, catch, rounds/ammo, encounter), then take a 1pp class seen as good with that paradigm as your benchmark.

For all day static damage, you're looking at a Gloves of Dueling Fighter. For round based static, Barbarian. For encounter static, Paladin. For bonus damage with a catch, Scout Rogue. Bonus damage with ammo, Alchemist with Fast Bombs or a Grenadier. Multipliers would be the old Supercharger 3.X builds or a Dungeoncrasher Fighter, but critfisher Magus works for multiplier with ammo (spell slots/Arcana pool). Want a combination of flat and bonus dice per encounter? Inquisitor.

See what's good and tune to that. Don't pull numbers and bonuses out of your ass.

>>51887343

Continuing the Campaign doesn't suggest jack shit, anon.

Reign of Winter? Oh wow! You're stopping a creature most of the world doesn't even know exists! Kingmaker? You're killing a bog standard dragon in the middle of nowhere!

Wrath of the Righteous? You're the Greatest Hope of Golarion, united behind the entire Inner Sea against the demonic threat, or you're restoring a proud kingdom to its former glory!

>>51884422
>53 charisma

Anon...

>>51887415
APs where your PCs would become well known throughout what ever continent they're on are:
>Wrath of the Righteous
>Hell's Vengeance
>Rise of the Jade Regent
>Iron Gods

the rest you would be famous on a country level or little known

>>51887339
>Sveinn's a footnote in the history books because he's just another pure level loser.
You're a fucking idiot. Sveinn is ALREADY going to be remembered as one of the oldest, most long-lasting, powerful Linnorm Kings in history, with only his lack of a rightful heir being the thing that stops him from attempting to go after Fahfnir and unifying the whole place.

>>51887339
Would you say Razmir won't be remembered, he's not mythic.

>>51884422
Senpai, you'll be hard pressed to exceed 56 Cha at level 20 outside of some extreme levels of bullshit. It's a slightly annoying limit early on, but at least it's not like a Kensai Magus where even low-op players get fucked until level 4+.

Asmodeus gets too much love. The other evil deities deserve more respect.

>>51887427
>>51887501
Let's see if I can manage it:

>18 (base
>+4 variant tiefling
>+6 belt
>+5 levels
>+5 wishes
>+3 age
>+4 cognatogen
>+4 that one rapier
>+6 simulacrum of that demon lord

Only managed 55.

>>51887454
>>Rise of the Jade Regent
That's not an AP

>>51887584
You're right, meant just Jade Regent. Pfg has poisoned me.

>>51887561
You forgot harlot sweets!
For some reason drugs apparently don't count as alchemical bonuses, or so it seems?

>>51887561
What variant Tiefling gets +4 Charisma?

And which rapier?

>>51887561
Well, if you toss on Mythic 10, you can get another +12 (All 5 ability score increases + a path ability). A succubus can provide you a profane gift bonus of +2 too.

>>51887529
>Zon-Kuthon
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN
>Norgorber
A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, coated with who the fuck cares?
>Urgathoa
Live fast, die young and have a good-looking corpse.
>Lamashtu
Rape rape 'n more rape.
>Rovagug
Just fuck my planet up.

>>51887629
The demon lord is profane. It's a super version of the succubi.

>>51887619
Don't remember the rapier name. It only gives the bonus for 10 minutes. The tiefling is off the d100 chart.

>>51887619
Pitborn with the Spell Like replacer for another +2.

>>51883291
Planning to start the final solution with wolves. After all the experience my PC had with them it vecame clear all wolfs or wolflike animals should be exterminated.

>>51887649
The only problem with fucking a demon lord for a +6 bonus is that it requires fucking a demon lord for a +6 bonus, simulacrum or no.

That also depends on of Noticula is going to let you take a piece of her body to make the simulacrum.

>>51887641
>Zyphus
THAT'S XCOM BABY

>>51887454

Iron Gods explicitly states nobody knows what the party did.

>>51887684
If XCOM actively hated you, which it doesn't.

It's just lovingly indifferent to your suffering.

>>51887315
>>51887414
Oh my fucking god this. This is the long winded version of the shit I've been saying over and over, the bonus damage itself and the ability to make it even bigger was the fucking problem and it's always been the fucking problem.

>>51887561
The Gold coated template adds +6 though you'd probably need to be undead to survive the process

>>51887501
To be desu, that cap might as well be the armor bonus, given how specifically it scales. If having $TEXAS Cha is a problem, have the Cha maximum be a constant which then is changed at level breakpoints or just not fucking have Cha to AC.

This isn't difficult. Either do things like the UnMonk (conditional double up removing the ability to have other armor) or the good Oracle Mysteries (replaces Dex, but you already can wear armor that doesn't have a high max Dex). If you don't want the class to be overly SAD, do not give them Cha to AC, instead give them a flat, stat agnostic boost.

>>51887711
>If XCOM actively hated you, which it doesn't.
You've never seen the shit I've seen.

>>51887561
Tomes of stat increase still stack with Wish bonuses. That's another 4 or 5.

Also: Nobody Cares What You Can Do At Level Twenty

>>51887711

Which one?

Because I remember the original's mind control rules being patently bullshit.

>>51887845
>Tomes of stat increase still stack with Wish bonuses. That's another 4 or 5.
They don't.

>>51887700
You're pretty determined to downplay PC involvement in all campaigns. Why?

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>>51887816
Anon, the cap becomes negligible at level /2/. The average player isn't going to look at this and go "yes I want to keep this capped out at all times" because that's a pain in the ass and requires minmaxing to obnoxious extremes.

>Either do thinks like the UnMonk
>conditional
>c o n d i t i o n a l
The Cha-to-AC ALREADY REQUIRES YOU to be unarmored as a condition. It's an armor bonus. It even prevents you from getting enhancement bonuses to armor, because bracers of armor aren't an enhancement bonus.

>>51887561
If you're playing as a Tiefling anyway, be Chaotic Evil and under go the Demon Transformation ritual. At Stage 3 you gain the Half-Fiend Template. The Succubus variant gives another +8 to Charisma.

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I need some good uses for Polymorph Any Object.

So I talked before about new Unchained Fighter Archetypes, and have been doing some brewing along those lines. The newest archetype, the Crossbow Master can be viewed here:
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pUevSnzc65Xw2cx3ah7iL7s1BBx0bVeF8xKlL0uFIcQ/edit?usp=sharing

After feedback I have decided to drop the Mercenary Lord and the Pact Master. The Mercenary Lord will have some of its abilities rolled into Advanced Equipment Trainings, such as a Leadership ability that includes followers with certain item creation feats. The Pact Master was dropped due to simply not having a lot of design space. In order to give it something unique I would have had to essentially write an entirely new class. However I would like the talk about the current three offerings.

>Scofflaw
The Scofflaw is an intersection between the Unchained Fighter and the Unchained Rogue with its own unique ability called Scoundrel's Tricks. These are to a degree replacing Advanced Weapon Trainings and are swift action abilities activated when attacking someone that is under the same conditions that would normally qualify for Sneak Attack. Besides that they gain access to a list of Rogue Talents through Advanced Equipment Trainings and trade out half their Weapon Trainings at the same level they get Scoundrel Tricks rather than Advanced Weapon Trainings for a bit of Sneak Attack. They also reduce down from Heavy to Medium armor proficiency and lose Tower Shields, but gain two additional skill ranks per level to compensate.

>>51888208
>The Gentleman
This is a working name for the archetype. The idea behind it is a gentlemanly fighter, someone at home in debate and the like. It takes inspiration from baritsu, an english martial arts focused around the weighted cane most famously seen in Sherlock Holmes. The Gentleman gains additional techniques and riding abilities to his combat maneuvers when using the weighted cane as well as a number of abilities that enhance his social skills. The former replace a number of Advanced Weapon Trainings and the latter become Advanced Equipment Trainings. As well they lose armor proficiency down to light as well as some changed Armor Training, but gain abilities such as Uncanny Dodge and Evasion as compensation.

>Duelist
This is something I have been thinking through. This would be a dexterity based fighter around using a weapon in one hand and a parrying dagger in the offhand. They would gain an ability to parry and deflect blows, scaling as they level and being spent like AoOs. They would gain bonuses if they strike the same target multiple rounds in a row, as well as classic bonuses to disarm, trip, etc. The parrying dagger would be the crux of this archetype as many of its abilities would be based on having the parrying dagger with the character. As well likely it would be replacing an advanced armor training in favor of a scaling shield bonus to ac when using a parrying dagger, as well as the parrying dagger's enhancement bonus counting towards said shield bonus to AC.

Does anyone have any thoughts on these possibly archetypes for the Unchained Fighter? Also possible better names for the last two, I am having a hard time coming up with names for them.

>>51888173
Go into business turning people into whatever they want. "You want to be a dragon? Sure. And you want to be a cute girl? Sure. And you want to be diaper? That's weird, but alright, I can't gonna judge as long as you pay me."

>>51887757
I mean if you're going templates, might as well grab Half-Succubus for +8.

>>51887641

Lamashtu's more a fujoshi who's wayyyy too into monster and impregnation.

>>51887901

Because the PCs don't deserve to be memorable.

They're PCs, murderhobos. They live on rocks and eat gruel and die to skeletons. They aren't illustrious names like Elminster or Drizzt, they don't deserve memory or consideration.

>>51888329
That's rather silly. In Iron Gods you end up saving all of Golarion from being taken over by a deific artificial intelligence.

Anyone who actually completes an AP tend to do quite a lot. The impact varies from AP to AP but in most you do something that will change the fate of the continent if not the world. Except for city of thieves the smallest scale APs work on is country scale. Even Curse of the Crimson Throne has implications that will change quite a bit of Avistan.

Though I think you may simply be shit posting. I have a hard time telling.

PCs at the end of a campaign should feel like they're changed quite a few things, especially if you end around level 17-18 like APs. do.

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Good feats for an antipaladin?

There's no way to add Touch of Corruption uses to melee attacks right? Just channel energy?

>>51888374
DHB, it's bait. It's not even bait, it's a hook.

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>>51887901
Because it's obvious bait, that's why, you goofus.

>>51888374

Nobody knows there was a divine AI trying to take them over. Nobody knows about the satellite, or what happens in the Silver Mount.

>>51888400
Unsanctioned Knowledge, but some would argue you could get more out of just getting Additional Traits to grab UMD as a class skill.

>>51885258
Fact:
Summoning a pet is boring. Pokeballs are boring.

Fact:
Elemental Bombardment, like the Legendary Kineticists ability, THAT is badass.

Don't just choose Greater Fire Elemental
MAKE THEM RAIN ONTO THE DESPAIRING FACES OF YOUR ENEMIES

I've got a bunch of asshole tiefling Paladin or Inquisitor NPCs that the party will run into during a dungeon crawl, who think that tieflings must be "redeemed" and of course the only redemption path is to join their ranks and dedicate one's life to destroying fiends.

There's a party member who is a tiefling. What should be the term they refer to unredeemed tieflings as? Twist: They are wearing fully-covering armor and won't be explaining that they're tieflings until pressed or until it would be dramatic to do so.

>>51888448
I can't wrap my head around how being mythic would directly tie into visibility.

>>51888448
Except, you know, everyone who does. All the major NPCs the PCs will likely involve in their plans, including the Black Sovereign.

Even if nobody's aware of what *exactly* happened, the PCs are still behind the Technic League's [destruction/redemption, strike whichever is inappropriate], they're the heroes of several major towns throughout Numeria, they've already destroyed one minor demigod by the time they're 1/3 of the way through the AP, and they've likely got a new Goddess on their side after it's over.

Shit, one of them might even BE the new de facto ruler of Numeria.

But nobody knows about any of that because you say so. Nope, no group ever had their PCs achieve any measure of renown. No GM ever was anything more than an XP-awarding algorithm that occasionally belched out some fluff text.

You're clearly the smartest person ever, and we all bow to you--will you please fuck off now?

>>51888400
>There's no way to add Touch of Corruption uses to melee attacks right? Just channel energy?
There is in fact!

>https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/conductive

The conductive weapon property allows one to put a supernatural ability, like touch of corruption, through their weapon. This is something every anti-paladin should have.

>Good feats for an antipaladin?
Specifically for an anti-paladin? Generally there is a short list of feats one grabs for their combat style, be it ranged, two handed melee, or one handed melee.

As >>51888459 Unsanctioned Knowledge is great.

Intimidation builds work great for Anti-paladins as well. Enforcer, Antagonize, Cornugon Smash, Intimidating Prowess, etc. should be looked into.

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What's the most operator class in Pathfinder?

>>51887711
>95% hit chance
>4 misses in a row

>5% chance of being hit
>8 shots later, SQUAD ANNIHILATED THIS TURN

>>51888493
It doesn't, beyond gaining the ability to grant spells. WotR just happens to be a particularly high-profile campaign since the worldwound is a multi-nation effort and basically a barely kept-in-check apocalypse.

>>51887908
>I have good Stat
>I take feats to use my good Stat all the time
>keeping track of a scalar that doesn't actually matter (except you can get a +5 Cha mod from level 1, you stupid bitch) is too much of a pain.
>obnoxious minmaxing

Ummmm lol? So having a good stat is minmaxing, and having to keep track of basic math is too obnoxious? Did anime make you retarded?

If the Avowed has conditonal Cha(as Armor bonus and not untyped)+Dex to AC, without any other AC bonuses, it is actually worse than an UnMonk's bonus. If being worse than an UnMonk is cause for alarm that something is too powerful, you may be retarded.

If having Cha to AC is a problem, don't have Cha to AC you mouthbreather. Give them a scaling, stat agnostic bonus to AC.

What seems to be the actual issue here is there are several feat options that allow Cha to HP (which is never a good idea), Cha to hit and damage (which can be done with Starknives in core now) and Cha to Initiative (that one's 1pp), alongside this Cha to AC gimmick that makes the class overly SAD when put together. The only one of those which is truly imbalanced by itself is Cha to HP, because it fucks with the inherent damage/death balance, since Con is only important for HP and so much more important than your dice for determining it.

The tl;dr is nobody learned anything from Fairie Mysteries Initiate and animeposter needs to kys themselves.

>>51888526

The book literally, 100% states the party's deeds do not go beyond Starfall. The book confirms that when you return home, the only thing they'll celebrate is a wayward villager coming home.

It's like that Oglaf comic where the guy leaves the Euphoria Isles because he's "not supposed to be there," and winds up back in his shack with turnips.

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>>51888329
The bait is so obvious...
and yet, yet I still want to murder you offline...

Well done, anon... well done.

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>>51886870

>>51886880
>>51886881
>>51886976
Can attest, especially with bloat; I have so many abilities listed and to go through still that I may as well be Gestalted. Not to mention that there's an aggravating amount of overlap and contradiction in Mythic. Not that I'm not enjoying myself, but I'd hardly recommend it at all.

Also: It makes Schrödinger's Wizard a reality.

>>51888400
>>51888528
There's also Crusader's Fist.

Swift Action upon hitting someone with an unarmed attack to slap them with your ToC as well.

It has a Stamina Trick that lets you make the ToC damage multiplicable on a crit too.

>>51888555
>It doesn't, beyond gaining the ability to grant spells.
I would argue it has several other means to grant one a larger reputation. The major ones are having an artifact. Having an artifact means you are carrying something around that pings as "overwhelming" when detected.

Super leadership through Crusader means you'll have quite a few extra followers a normal character can not. Leadership specifically calls out people are brought to you via your reputation.

Longevity, the fact that you will live forever unless killed, means you have a lot longer to build that reputation.

Extraplanar prestige specifically calls out what you would expect, you are well known extraplanarly.

Mythic Presence is to a degree another one as you unnerve people merely being around them.

>>51888562
Cha to saves as well.

>>51888549
Bushwhacker if you want to go innawoods and shoot people
Steelfist Commando if you want to remember the basics of CQC

>>51888562
What are you even arguing about, anon. I never said Cha to AC was a problem, I said the cap is completely negligible and doesn't matter unless you're dipping.

>>51888549
But if you want a mech pilot, we're SoL.

>>51888459
>>51888528
Not him but Blackguard that doesn't dump Int sounds like the MADdest thing on the planet, is the feat really that good?

>>51888576
You're twisting what the book actually says. Nobody knows, without them saying so, what actually happened. There is no great ceremony for defeating Unity.

But apparently, according to you--and just you, let's not forget--nothing else they've done matters. None of the monster slaying, town-saving, slaver-fighting, or other adventures.

Nope, PCs just kind of congeal out of the ground at the start of every module and disperse into the aether whenever that module ends unless the test notes otherwise to the point that it satisfies your autism. And, of course, NPCs are just blocks of code who march in place and say stock lines when you poke them.

You must have/be a really shitty GM. I feel sorry for you, really.

>>51888701
It lets you grab one spell per spell level off other spell lists--specifically, bard, cleric, inquisitor, or oracle. How good it really is depends largely on which spells. You could get haste, dimension door, mirror image, some other good stuff, but there's a pretty strong counter-argument for it (i.e. "just use magic items with UMD").

I just prefer having the ability to use spells without having to dump gold on them. Unsanctioned Knowledge is like an item creation feat--you're "selling" your feat slot to save on gp, but on the other hand you now have an antipaladin/paladin who can teleport, buff, do more battlefield control, maybe even toss off a fireball if they really want to.

>>51888226
So does the Gent get the ability to be classy/charming (Diplomacy/Bluff as class skills) as well as savvy (shareable Lore Warden/Slayer style bonuses to studied targets)? Or do you still think adding more shit to choose from before combat makes a class better?

Scoundrel Tricks better be damn sure worth trading out the main part of what makes a Fighter viable now. Also, why not just sub out bonus feats for Sneak Attack? You know, like the actual 3.X developers did a decade ago (SA Fighter ACF).

I really do not like your design schema, although you seem to actually understand how the system works. More does not equal better, a bunch of dumb bullshit you Voltron together to be more better at combat does not make a good character or class. Your UnMartials are still less able to affect non combat situations than a goddamned Barbarian and have a bunch of crap that's below curve for a generic AAT/AWT Fighter unless you optimize harder.

Your design work is gorging itself on the bloated corpse of M:tG style feat/talent design, which was a shit idea in 2004.

Remember KISS: keep it simple, sadbrains.

>>51888583
>Also: It makes Schrödinger's Wizard a reality.
In all fairness, you can do that with a Wizard now without being Mythic.

>>51883291
>Relaxing

SLEEP IS FOR THE LIVING

>>51888579

But anon, if you murder me than how will I DM for you guys?

>>51888607
Right, but while those things make you more noticeable, they don't necessarily make you visible on a global scale. Being really long-lived or being unnerving, or even carrying an artifact is "rare and unusual", but not something that would make whole nations take notice of your name usually. Super leadership maybe, but that seems a bit more small-scale, probably on the same level of being a living god of your own small religion.

On the other hand, being the key factor in shutting the Worldwound *with spectators* is enough to skyrocket your visibility, Mythic or no.

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>>51888872
EVEN THE GROUND TREMBLES

>>51888839
>So does the Gent get the ability to be classy/charming (Diplomacy/Bluff as class skills) as well as savvy (shareable Lore Warden/Slayer style bonuses to studied targets)?
The Gent is meant to be both charming and savvy. One of his abilities currently is a Gentleman's Disagreement, a level scaling bonus to Diplomacy and Intimidate. This bonus increases for 24 hours against anyone he beats with his weighted cane, or anyone who witnesses him beating someone with said cane. The idea for how to make him savvy is actually taking from another class I designed before, which allows a character to give brief lectures on creatures to give a temporary bonus similar to favored enemy.

>Or do you still think adding more shit to choose from before combat makes a class better?
Unfortunately I am. I believe that more choice and more talents are almost always a good thing, as long as no talents are clearly better than others. This is why, for me, the Vigilante is one of my favorite classes.

>Scoundrel Tricks better be damn sure worth trading out the main part of what makes a Fighter viable now.
The idea is to keep it so you have both class features, meaning one can still spend feats on gaining new AWT. While you only receive half the AWT you normally do

>Also, why not just sub out bonus feats for Sneak Attack? You know, like the actual 3.X developers did a decade ago (SA Fighter ACF).
That is actually brilliant. I had not thought of that. But this may mess up the feats -> AWT so I will have to think on this. This is definitely a fantastic idea though.

>Your design work is gorging itself on the bloated corpse of M:tG style feat/talent design, which was a shit idea in 2004.
I am not sure what you mean by M:tG style.

>Your UnMartials are still less able to affect non combat situations than a goddamned Barbarian
Really? What is your reasoning on this.

>Remember KISS: keep it simple, sadbrains.
I think simplicity for its own sake has its fair share of problems.

>>51888923
Oh I agree. Deeds are what make someone famous. Mythic abilities just make you a bit more impressive to look at most of the time.

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>>51888173
>tfw remembering there's a sequel to this

>>51888917
There are others. You are not alone.

>>51889011
Even conjecture caused by deeds can (for good or ill) spread.

>We've been hearing that everyone's getting murdered between two cities, and suddenly this group shows up completely unharmed.

>You always seem to be just a quick closet-escape away from Batman showing up

>>51889288
Your examples of suspicious behavior are all setups for forced drama and arbitrary conflicts.

You are advocating for NPCs to basically be the background crowds in every X-Men story, to act like J. Jonah Jameson in Spider-Man. Like Bulk and Skull without the eventual character development.

Why does it offend you so much that people might want to be more than murderhobos?

>>51889397
uh, first, not same guy.

I said nothing about murderhobos; rather that rumors happen and people talk. And people shouldn't naturally antagonize others just because they've heard shit like that - on the contrary.

In the first example, people might ask for news in all sorts of ways. "Do you know Jeremy? You have to, he's from X town too, he was supposed to send me a box, it must be with you no one else has come from there in weeks", or kids asking if the giant ladybugs are gone now. There doesn't have to be drama and conflict, but that doesn't mean the NPCs are a static existence

For the latter; consider how everyone discovered who the Zodiac Killer really was.

>>51889473
>For the latter; consider how everyone discovered who the Zodiac Killer really was.
What? People found out who the Zodiac Killer was? When did this happen?

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>>51889766
Fuck you.

>>51889822
Just report it and wait for page 8 or 9

>>51889571
Ted Cruz = Zodiac Killer

So much so that his wife literally went to the Press and told them that he wasn't.

>>51889871
We're at page 8 and nobody's made a new one, so I suppose we're stuck with that one.

>>51890340
I was going to make one but I won't if the old one is still not deleted. People waging thread wars is way worse than that picture.

>>51888549
which Gundam series is this?

>>51891095
IBO I think